 So we're here at the Ravens offseason and Ravens got a tall list of tasks that they need to get done In order to make it to where they need to go So I got a couple of fellas from 410 to help me out and we're gonna figure out what the Ravens biggest draft needs are and a little bit more, so let's get it Like a dream And you know just what I mean You see my boy, he like I done made it More he's a fan and he like the Ravens Like the Ravens And you know just what I mean You two team keep it clear Baby, who ever got the flag that I'm with y'all And Grave will lock you up and play football I'm a fanatic You see we got the magic And you and my boys are savage and open challenge and madden Let's go Making rage quit, exit out the door Use this favorite team with up all the more Don't get mad It's just what it is We talkin' sport shot, I think Ravens wins Yeah this feels like a dream And you know just what I mean You two team keep it clean You see my boy, he like I done made it Well that's my homie, ain't that right in Graven Right in Graven Shout out to Graven So you two team keep it clean What's going on is in Graven here with another video And in this video in this live stream We are here to talk about of course the Baltimore Ravens The team that we all want success for A team that we want to see just take it to the top And take it to another level But first things first it starts through the draft And then following that it starts through free agency And so on and so forth But I know y'all are tired of hearing my mouth talk about the Ravens So I decided we needed to have a special guest on the show tonight And if you are on YouTube at all Then these guys need absolutely no introduction You know who these two are They have been grinding They have been having these fire interviews They've been having these fire videos Their work ethic is crazy So I'm sure if you're not subscribed to them already Then you've seen them in your recommendations So I recommend that you subscribe to them Their link to their YouTube channel is down below in the description I will already see it in the comments section They spamming those 4 1 O's Y'all go ahead and spam those 4 1 O's Because y'all already know what time it is Ladies and gentlemen, let me introduce to you Glenn and James from 4 1 O Sports Talk What's up fellas? How's it going man? Hey man, thanks for having us on that With the introduction of Doc Shank You live up to that Uh oh, sound like we got some technical difficulties man You not hearing me? Okay it's like a little fuzzy But it's all good Yeah we got you Alright cool cool Hey I tell you what man We appreciate the shout out and the love I was sitting there listening to the music Just vibing That intro was absolute fire Wow My gosh Look, just like the song said dude You know you made it when you got a theme song I mean my goodness We ain't making it man We got a long way to go man But now I appreciate both of y'all coming on tonight Thank you for being able to fit this in your schedule And let's just get into it 4 1 O Sports Talk Who is 4 1 O Sports Talk? What are y'all about? Let us know man Well I'll start I mean I met Jimmy when we were I think I was 14 years old He lived on my now wife's same street So I've been with my wife for that long And I've known Jimmy just as long So we've been buddies since 14 And competing I mean it don't matter if it's tag Basketball, football It don't matter what We've been competing either with or against each other And yeah we just said Man we do all this talking on the court And off the court Why don't we sit in front of a camera And do some of this talk And it's the same thing right? Right Yeah absolutely Just like Glenn said I think that's one of the things that's been Really fun for us with the show Is that it's super organic That like literally none of it is forced So Glenn and I have been doing the same exact things Since we were kids Talking Raven since we were kids And felt like you know We had something to say People often I feel like in a lot of rooms Even before the podcast You end up being the de facto Raven's expert In every conversation you're in Just because you know football You know the you know the team You know the history of the franchise And so we're like Dude let's turn on the mics See what happens See people like us if they don't And I mean obviously I feel like I picked the right one And I feel like I picked the right co-host I'm gonna pump up my co-host here Oh my man No Glenn is awesome Like super easy to work with And he's much more polished on the show But if you start to get him Get him going a little bit One of the funniest guys on the planet I mean they'll just have you rolling Your cheek muscles are hurting Cause you're laughing so hard So absolutely I mean Yeah we love it And I've had an absolute blast doing it So we appreciate you having us on man No problem No problem So we're forward on those sports talk What can people expect from you all In your channel? Well we like to bring a mixture Of information and a little entertainment And also we've been very fortunate To reach out to a ton of guests And have some say yes And come on with us Whether it be former players, coaches Members of the media or other podcasters And really just the collaboration Of all these other guys coming on with us I feel like makes us better Makes the fans happy Gives them a good interview And what we like to do Is make sure we get other perspectives Not just the Ravens perspective We always have a member of the opposing teams media on Every week to tell us more in depth About the upcoming opponent And get their side of the things You know from a fan perspective as well But yeah I mean Like Jimmy said We're trying to loosen up a little bit Because sometimes we come out a little bit Too polished sounding You know we got to get back to our roots And how we sound when we're not in front of the camera Right and I'll tell you the other thing Man the one thing that we do try and do That I think is important And I know you do the same thing Is that like you listen to the radio You listen to national media And they scrape off the surface They take the headlines right So we try really hard to To peel the onion back a couple layers And go after people that might not be Headline getters but that are really They have an intimate knowledge Of the topic we're trying to talk about Right and so like Glenn said Being highly informational While also fun enough to where you're not Falling asleep listening or watching us And really giving you something You know to be entertained about And then also excited about And look fans first man Like shoot we're rooting for them right We're emotional we yeah I mean Come on man some guy in the comments A long time ago called me a bias ravens hazard Till the day I die man Nothing I can do about it Sorry just the way it is So since you've been on YouTube What's your favorite thing about it I'm gonna get real cheesy before you answer Glenn Go ahead Glenn and I are good friends man I think our relationship has grown as friends Just doing it together That's my favorite thing That's super cheesy That's just what it is Like being able to do that And then have a community of people that We didn't even know feel like You know you've built something up That people are excited about And provide value in people's lives I mean it's an absolute blast Yeah and I agree I think I definitely believe our wives have gotten A whole lot closer too My goodness they're like besties now But what I like the most is when I see In the comments man I'm sure you get this a ton because You know your name is in our comments a lot too But when I see comments like Hey man you know every Sunday morning Before the game me and my son Watch your guys' show to get ready For the game I mean it just It hits you in the feels you know You see somebody you know making you A part of their week or part of their day That's awesome so for me it's Yeah it's just that feedback Yeah that is real special man When you get special comments like that Because it makes it more personal Because of course you do this For your enjoyment and what not For entertainment and what not For business but then when you get Comments like that or messages like that Or DMs like that it gives you Another appreciation for what you do And the fact that you're able to do it And being able to touch different people's lives So appreciate that Now before we get into it What's the least favorite thing Oh I'm getting tired of being Some of these guys in the comments section Can be a little brutal I mean I've been called a dork I mean I've been called a nerd You know what I find incredible Is that you know before we started this I was expecting the Lamar Trolls you know the ones that call them Running back and all that stuff And he brushed them off as being foolish But what I didn't expect Is to have the Lamar Can do no wrongers come in And if we ever say anything About him you know being a little Late on a throw maybe missing a read I mean they come for us They come for us hard And I feel like we're pretty big Lamar guys Like we're homers for Lamar But if anything we can criticize Any other position group but not Lamar Can't do it That happens a lot man Because with Lamar Jackson He's such a polarizing figure And probably the biggest name That the Ravens have had Since maybe Ray Lewis Since Ray Lewis and I are reading them Like people, along the years People knew who the Ravens were But they didn't really have that guy That everybody knew who he was But now with Lamar Jackson it's like Oh yeah we all know who he is So with that he brings He gave us some more primetime games Which is always fun But it comes with a lot of Positivity, a lot of love And it also gonna come with a lot of hate too But then that can sort of be reversed With people that love Lamar Jackson too Like you said if you say anything About Lamar Jackson you criticize Anything about Lamar Jackson they like Oh no you can't do like you said No wrong but it is what it is So let's get into it man Appreciate everybody in here Right now make sure you all subscribe To For No Sports Talk YouTube channel That link is down below in the description Thanks man So, Ravens They lost to the Pills in the playoffs Pretty much got whooped Biggest draft needs Before we get into the draft needs Their biggest needs what do you think they are Jimmy go ahead get it started Yeah so I've been preaching this Since before the draft last year And I won't get too soap boxy here But I Don't want to Hear about Undrafted Interior offensive linemen primarily at center Anymore I don't want you to sell Me a used Kia and tell me it's a Mercedes I don't want it Look for years Glenn and I Have been saying that since we drafted Bradley Bozeman He was an all-american center at the best College football college He's obviously known in the country I don't care what anyone says I'm not a role-tied guy but they're a well-oiled machine Let's just be honest They produce an incredible amount of pro prospects We're not even I know you want to have your best five out there But it doesn't make sense that we don't even throw them in there When our guys aren't even snapping the ball properly So that's number one If we're going to keep them at guard So my point is this We're going to keep them at guard and we're stuck on doing that It's fine For people not including us But it seems to me that this is a It's as healthy as it is We're ready to go We're ready to go Ok, we'll get back to the topic Well while ourling Also going to pick up It's Arce Top Now, there you go So those are the, Would have made there its Charity of gravies Alright, so J.K. Dobbins in the draft with that pick, but I think the mismatches that Hearst was able to create and then the combination of being able to block as well as be vertical and catch the ball down the field, it just was a mismatch nightmare and it caused problems for the defense. And then when you compile the fact that you have injuries, you know, with Boyle going down, and now you have Ricard, who we love Ricard, you know, we're big Ricard guys, but he's not going to stretch a defense vertically up the scene. That's just not going to happen. So I think that, you know, just playing to the comfort zone of the of the personnel, I mean, Lamar obviously loves targeting tight ends. So why not get a really good tight end to run opposite Andrews and let Boyle fall into that, you know, the beast role that he is. I mean, he's the he's the best blocking tight end in the league, in my opinion. Let him be that. And let's not ask him, I mean, every now and then catch a ball, but let's not ask him to stretch himself so thin and become this pass catcher and let him be who he is, which is just a mauler. Right. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, that makes sense. That makes sense. And then go back to James real quick. You said you wanted to, um, and it starts with an offensive lineman. Now, I know we only got a sample size of his work, but what did you think about Tristan Cologne Castillo? So that's my guy. I was excited because I did when, when I knew he was going to be in the game, I did some research on him and they actually talked about some of things I had learned during the broadcast is that, you know, he, he does a lot of powerlifting with his lower body. He's super strong. He plays with a lot of leverage, not super tall, but he's able to get under, under people's pads really well. So I think he's deserved the opportunity to rightfully compete for that job. Um, I think, I think that's fair, but I think going through the first three rounds without having a guy that could potentially be a plug and play there to compete with him at the very least, if he's not going to start, would be a, would be a grave mistake. Okay. But I like him. I'm high on me to me. I mean, this is, I know Jimmy loves, uh, Cologne Castillo and, and I, and I like him too, but to me, I don't know if I'm read. I would rather let him be that McCurry that McCurry was the first year where he backed up scurra and came in when necessary and then showed positional versatility can play center and guard. Because I, I, I want to, I want to stud center, man. I mean, I mean, I want to use high draft capital and bring in a stud center that can anchor the offensive line for the next decade, uh, because I think we remember back in our, our Superbowl runs, if you look at both the Superbowl runs, pretty darn good centers, uh, snapping the ball to our quarterback and even the ones that Lamar was catching. I mean, we all remember it was still taking his attention. He's looking, he's looking left. He's looking right. He's trying to catch the ball and by the time he gets it, you know, the defenders are in his face. So I agree. I like Tristan, but maybe as a backup and a swing, you know, uh, you know, a guy that can play anywhere. Okay. Okay. And Glenn, you, you talked about, uh, you want the Ravens to, you think they need a playmaker, um, a playmaker on offense, whether it be that third tight end, uh, that can sort of stretch the field like a Mark Andrews, um, or maybe a wide receiver. Now, uh, I know you did say big body wide receiver. Um, what, big catch radius. How do you feel about Miles Boykin? Oh man. And you know, I, I, I've been disappointed in Miles Boykin. I liked him, uh, coming out, went to training camp, his, his rookie season and he looked like a man out there. Day one impressive size, you know, speed and all that stuff. But to me, he doesn't play to his size. He doesn't play to his, you know, to his size and strength. He plays smaller than he is. He doesn't attack the ball at the highest point with his hands. Uh, I've been disappointed in him. I know some people are higher on them than others. Uh, but to me, I don't think he'll ever develop into that, that the receiver that we were hoping he would eventually develop into. Yeah, that's, it's, it's been kind of painful, man, because, uh, with Miles Boykin, I, I feel like the body type, he got speed, got good size. I feel like everything that I will want in a true number one wide receiver for the Ravens, not even if, not even if it's not a true number one, a perfect wide receiver to compliment Hollywood. I feel like Boykin has, he has the attributes, the physical attributes. But for Boykin, I just think, um, I know there's been a lack of opportunity. There's been a big lack of opportunity. So hopefully, um, that can improve. But I was thinking that like last season, I was thinking it was going to improve, uh, but it, it didn't, uh, and we're still here now. And I don't really feel like he's really been able to take that next step forward, um, because of, uh, just so many circumstances, man, whether it be the offense, lack of opportunity. Um, sometimes, uh, Lamar, he may be open and Lamar may not even look his way. Um, but I just, uh, I'm hoping that he can end up being that guy. Um, yeah, if I could just ask you one thing on that, you know, and I agree, there's times where if you look back at the tape in hindsight that he is open and Lamar's not looking his way, do you think that that's something that can be fixed? Or is it a point where maybe Lamar just doesn't have confidence in that guy? And, and no matter what, I don't, you know, do, will they ever be able to build that connection that seems so easily built between him and Hollywood? I hope so. It's scary to think about that. Um, because that like right now, especially in the beginning to see later on in the season, it started getting a little bit better. And we started like seeing some hope, but early in the season, you could tell the trust fact that was not there. He did not have big trust in Miles Boykin. He had like baby trust in Miles Boykin. So when like, and you would see it, like they, they were just not on the same page, like at all. They weren't even in the same book. Um, so I think that played a big factor and even two seasons ago too. Um, but this past season, it's just the trust level. It was not there. But then, um, toward like the second half of the season, he saw Miles Boykin in that, uh, the Cowboys game, he had that nice touchdown catch. He's over there breaking tackles and he really reached up and got that ball because Lamar Lamar, uh, threw it a little bit high on that touchdown pass. And then, uh, there was another touchdown hit that he got too soft thinking, okay, Miles Boykin getting ready to be involved in the game plan, but he just wasn't. So I, I hope I can't even use this as an excuse because none of the teams this year had an off season. Cause I want to say, okay, maybe because the Ravens didn't have an off season, they didn't get to build that rapport, but nobody had an off season and there was plenty of rapport built throughout. So with Miles Boykin, I'm just, I'm hoping that it's not, it doesn't end up being a lost cause because with the Ravens history, with their, with receivers, uh, they already have a bad history with receivers that they drafted and tried to develop. Um, but with the Ravens, one thing that we know is that if you're not making an impact, like right away as a receiver, especially if you're a young guy, you're not going to get much of an opportunity. Um, under Eric Dacosta, we'll see if things change with that. But, and we know Miles Boykin is an excellent blocker. They always praise him for his blocking, blocking, blocking, but we got to remember this is not a tight end. This is not an offensive lineman. He's a wide receiver. So while it's nice that he is a nice blocker, he's a wide receiver. He should be, we should be praising him for, oh, he, uh, he, he reaches out and puts out his body out there on the line, uh, for his quarterback to make the catch. Oh, he's nice in the red zone. Oh, he's nice with the jump ball. He's nice with the fade route. We should be praising that stuff instead of just continue. Okay. He praises blocking. We just, I'm hoping that in this third year, he can turn a corner and I'm not expecting him old to go off for like 80 catches, a thousand yards, anything like that. But I think if we could get like 40 catches, maybe like six, seven, that would be a drastic improvement for Miles Boykin. And I, I would love that, man. Yeah. Now I also hear a lot of fans suggesting that now it's the off season, he's got the frame for it. Could he put on enough weight to make himself at least a reasonable enough blocker, a blocker that can get in the way, shield enough to, to, to make it effective. I mean, to me, when I look at him, he comes out with six, four, two, 25, and I'm sure that he's put on at least a pound, a couple of pounds since becoming an NFL player and having, you know, the NFL workout program and diet and all that stuff. So would it be a, I don't know. I mean, what are your thoughts on maybe asking him to put on 15, 20, 25 pounds, maybe that's a stretch and maybe switching to tight end and find the next Darren Waller. Yeah. Yeah. Right before you said that. Darren Waller, but maybe, maybe he's got a similar build and straight line speed. It will be nice. It will be nice. But I know John Hardball, he shot it down like a month or two ago, but, um, it, it, it will be nice. And I think that would be a way that we're guaranteed that he got involved in the game because, you know, Lamar, appreciate that trade. It's hard to judge him if he only gets two targets a game. That's true. Um, but, you know, Lamar, like you said earlier, he loves the tight ends, loves them, loves them, loves them. So if you play tight end, you're going to eat in this offense. Um, so if Miles Boykin and he would be, like you said, he would be that, that, that third tight end that could stretch the field because he has that speed. Now, if he added some weight, he may lose a little bit of speed, but it wouldn't be anything crazy. Um, but I, I don't think it would hurt if he switched to tight end, but yeah, if I, if I can jump in here, man, do your thing. So I totally agree with you. I, I don't think it hurts at all. I mean, we lose what? 13 catches. 13 grabs a year. I mean, yeah, he's got a couple of touchdowns, but at the end of the day, you're talking about 13 catches. Yeah. At full season. So I think I would, I would love to see him try it in that once again, like you said, he has nothing to lose. And then on top of that, I think that there's something to be said about, you talked about it, Lamar's comfort in the middle of the field, attacking the middle of the field. All right. So if you have a guy in Mark Andrews that nine times out of 10 has a mismatch and teams say, okay, I'm going to take him, I'm going to take him out of the game. But what if you show up with two guys similar to a Mark Andrews in that they have a mismatch nine times out of 10? Because Boykin against a tight against a linebacker, you're talking about eating. I mean, that's him at Thanksgiving, right? Like, come on, he's going to be eating all day, you know what I mean? And then, okay, fine. Put up, put a safety on him. Good luck. I think the only guys that are skilled enough, there's very few guys that are skilled enough to guard people in a man to man situation and their corners and they get paid to be corners. There's very few safeties and linebackers that can do it successfully. So give him an advantage. Let him use his body, let him use his frame. And like you said, I don't understand what we stand to lose here because in our offense, the tight end can still be the number one target getter. What two years ago, Mark Andrews was still the number one target getter. So it doesn't matter whether you play tight end or wide receiver, you're catching the ball in our offense at the end of the day. If we want Miles to be a bigger factor, then to me, it's just about matchups, put some weight on. You can already block, get to know the schemes, be serviceable as a blocker and go out there and win your matchups. And being in the middle of the field is going to give him more activity anyway. And Jimmy, you're getting into nutrition. Could a guy that size put on, what, 10, 15? Oh, for sure. I mean, we saw and we had him on, but we saw what Hollywood did. Now, Hollywood was a little he was coming off the injury. So he was below his normal fighting weight. But Miles Boykin's frame is such that, I mean, I think I said this a long time ago, I think Miles Boykin was born with a front tooth and chest hair. I mean, the dude just, yeah, he is a grown man. I mean, you can, he's got a frame to where he could definitely, I mean, I feel like put on the healthy weight, keep, keep the speed. Absolutely. Yeah. And a good point that you mentioned, too, I know some people may feel like, oh, well, maybe you lose them as a, as a receiver that can block well. But if he makes the move to tight end, you like they do with Mark Andrews, they could still put them out. Why? So Miles Boykin, yeah, nothing to lose. Yeah. And then if I can just add one other thing, Hayden Hurst hurt the most. And we've said this a lot. Hayden Hurst hurt the most, not in the passing game, but actually in the run game and the fact that he was so athletic to where he could come out of the backfield and get to the second level in block. Third level even. Yeah, exactly. Right. Because he had the speed, had the athleticism to take on these quicker DBs and second level guys in the blocking game. If Miles Boykin can simulate that, I feel very confident in that. But asking Patrick Ricard, who is 310. Right. 310. 310. I mean, yes. And that's without pads on. But he's one of the better athletes in the league for for his size. There's no doubt about it. But to ask him to go to the third level and block a safety is probably a stretch for him. Whereas a more fleet of foot tight end could probably handle it. So yeah, that's a good point. All right. I'm speaking of past catchers. What do you feel? Or maybe even who would be a perfect wide receiver for the Ravens? You talking about free agent? Free agent trade. Well, I tell you what, there's a few names out there that would look nice and purple. But unfortunately, I mean, I don't even want to get my hopes up because of the price tag that's going to come along with it. So I can't even get too excited about like an Allen Robinson. I mean, I would like to see a Kenny Gallaudet. I don't think that's happened. So yeah, I would have to look at the second, third tier. And I know, actually, no, I'm going to let Jimmy to this guy's horn because I know he's been riding the AJ Green wagon. I'm not quite as high on him. I did not like what I saw in Cincinnati, the lack of desire. It looked like, but Jimmy seems to be high on him. Yeah. Yeah. If I can say one thing, I mean, you're what he was what he's what 12 years in or something like that, you know, coming off the ankle, he's in a rebuild. I mean, that's like going from the Cleveland Cavaliers to the Lakers. Yeah. You know what I mean to where we're right. I'm not saying, you know, we're not coming off a championship, but we're right there. If you bring him in with a group of vets with a veteran coach, Zach Taylor obviously has issues with veterans. I think that that's apparent. I'm not saying he has issues with young guys. Young guys seem to come in and want to play for him, but vets don't. I mean, we saw what happened with Dunlap. And I don't think that that Adrian Green was too excited about going through rebuild. So I think that if you take AJ, put him in our offense. And I think that you'll see a I'm not saying we'll see Prime AJ, but I think that the point that I'm trying to make here is that I think the only way we make a splash in the wide receiver market is if we get a guy that has age issues or has injury issues. I don't think we get a healthy prime age guy. It's just going to be too expensive. So I said it on the show instead of getting one eight we're going to get two fours. I'm I'm I'm I'm suggesting I'm predicting a bar of two fours. That's right. There are no games with fours. Right. So so you get AJ Green and and a guy like Marvin Jones, Junior. I like Marvin. So I mean, you come in with those two and you got Hollywood. I'm all right with that. It would be an upgrade from what we have now and what's been going on now because you have two veterans like really veterans with AJ Green. Yeah, I talked about that same thing. I feel like it would not be a move I would want them to make. But I feel like it's just such a Ravens move. Right. Everything about AJ Green is so Ravens. He's older. He's not going to be asking for no big contract. He got a couple years left in his career. He's he was one. So number one receiver. But now he's not that anymore. Now if he came here, do you feel like he would be the number one guy? Now I think Hollywood remains the number one guy. I think if he came here, he would simply be a red zone threat to compliment Mark Andrews because right now he's our only red zone threat through the air in my mind. Once you get down there, I mean, I agree that Hollywood had more touchdowns. But to me, Mark Andrews is the only the only guy you can throw the ball up to and have any faith that he's going to go up and grab it and bring it down in traffic. But I do also think that the Lamar, it will be easier for Lamar. Everyone talks about his distribution of the football. And I rebuttal with who is he throwing the ball to? Why would you not throw the ball to Mark Andrews or Hollywood Brown every time? I don't want to distribute the football either. Now I know DuVernay's come on and done some good things that I expect him to make a leap. But the distribution of the football, I think, would be much more even if you did add a guy like AJ. I'm not saying he'd be your true number one, but he's getting more targets. Then or he's getting more receptions than 13, right? Like, you know what I mean? He's he's definitely going to get more than than a miles Boykin would. And I also think he serves to to bring the younger guys along to teach them the entire routery to teach them the ins and outs and how to twist the defender up like a top. I mean, I think like you said, I agree with a thousand percent such a Ravens move, right? Like that's part of the reason why I'm predicting it, because that's tip like what Steve Smith was thirty seven. You know, we if anybody will take a old classic out of the garage and and and dust off the tires and the steering wheel, it would be a rape. But here's my point. And and I and I hope we had signed none of them in Raven, because here's why. If I just do a quick count, we got Hollywood, right? That's one. He's not going anywhere. DuVernay's not going anywhere, right? Pro Shae, he'll be back. Boykin, he's I don't see us cutting miles. Boykin, well, I'm at four right now. How many receivers do the Ravens typically keep? Five, maybe six. So I mean, who else are you going to? If you're hoping that the Ravens are drafting a receiver for the future, well, where is he going to sign? I mean, you got to have a room. You got to have enough room in that room. So if we bring in, say we bring a Snead back, bring a Des Bryant back and then add a veteran in free agency, there's no room left for for a rookie. And I hope that Eric Dacosta was truthful when he said that he wants to take more swings at the wide receiver position. And I hope he does it again this year. And we continue to fill this room with young guys with high potential. That's my hope. Now, with Eric Dacosta saying that, how early would you like him to take a swing at a wide receiver in a draft? And I tell you what, when that year, when we did, how many was how many receivers were like first round projected? It was like something ridiculous. And we waited until DuVernay and Pro Shae. And I like those guys. But when I saw all those names going off the board, I'm like, ah, and I like the guys we took. But I want to see in the top three rounds. Is that I mean, maybe top two rounds? Is that too much to ask? I know we took Hollywood recently in the first. But I want to see more cracks in that top that top third of the of the draft. That's my opinion. See, that's that's what I'm worried about, because I've been saying I don't I don't want them to draft the receiver early, not this year, because I'm just I'm scared because of their history. Now, we know history is always meant to be broken, but with Raven's history at the wide receiver position, I would much rather them just sign somebody sign a prime and go against the grain of what they normally do. Now I know salary cap room is tight. They ain't got that much money. But at the same time, we've seen year after year after year after year after year where they don't have that much money. And they still make a move for this defensive guy. They still signed this defensive guy to an extension. They trade for this defensive guy. They do so much on the defense, but on offense, they that seems to be a lack. So I for me, I wouldn't really want them to draft the receiver early. I would rather them just sign somebody, especially with the window with the window. You don't have to sign Lamar yet. And they have they have Lamar essentially for two more years on his rookie contract this upcoming season, and then they can do the fifth year option. So you can sort of play around with that. And with the salary cap, I know there was some talk today that it could be like 185 mil. So that would add about 10 more mil to everybody's salary cap space. So you'll have some more wiggle room. You know, Ravens, they always get created with the salary cap anyway. But I just I would rather them sign somebody instead of drafting. But I do want the trend to change about how they just haven't been able to draft and develop receivers. But it just worries me. Now let me let me add something to your comment here if you don't mind something that I think easily happened in you know, I'm going to go on record and say it. Glenn and I have been talking about it. We've also read some some things about it as well. But I think it's going to be I think I'm going to be fair in saying this. I think we were the first ones to bring this up. I think the Ravens in free agency make a splash, not a wide receiver. But I think they invest some money at tight end. And I think the way that they do that I'm going on record, I think that Zach Erts ends up a Baltimore Raven. I mean, I you know, they're going to all indications are they're going to let him go and Philly. I think that's enough. You know, he'll be 31, I think at that point. Yeah. And to me. So let me ask you a question just to kind of highlight my point here if you had to sign Sammy Watkins or Zach Erts, who are you signing? I would sign Zach Erts based off of the history. And I'm going to guess I'm going to guess that Sammy Watkins next year, just next year, fetches more money than than than Zach Erts based on his position. Just because he's a wide receiver on threat. Yeah. The ceiling is much higher for wide receivers where the tight end per annum salary is lower. So I can see Eric going all in on, you know, going more all in on a on a guy like a Zach Erts dominating the middle of the field and keeping Miles Boykin at receiver. But I think the splash will be at tight end. I think that Zach Erts is another perfect fit. Could you imagine rolling out on the field with Zach Erts, Nick Boyle and Mark Andrews? It's a mean tight end room. Now you mentioned Zach Erts. That's that's who where that rumor was going around during this past season that they actually wanted Zach Erts. So that yeah, that would be a move that that would make sense. And yeah, like you said, Philly, they saw the report a couple of weeks ago they either going to trade they're going to try to trade them or they're going to cut them. Yeah. So yeah, he's going to be going whether the Ravens do make that move with a fork up a low draft pick or something. We'll see what happens because Philly think Philly is like a crazy amount over the cap right now. So it's going to be a lot of guys that they could potentially be on the outside looking in when it comes to the Eagles. Now another name that's actually on the Eagles that would also be a Ravens like move a receiver who has been off injured. But when he's been healthy, he's been healthy and he's been nice. And just like Alan Robinson, well, we'll see if Alan Robinson ends up being a former bear. But this guy was a former bear to Alshon Jeffrey. What would you think if the Ravens made a move for him? Oh, well, I would not be. I guess it would depend on the investment in him. If this is a short term low risk investment, I have no problem with it. But if they're going to if they're going to sign him for anything, certainly near double digits, I would be, I would not be happy at all. I mean, if you can get them on the cheap and relatively no risk, I don't necessarily mind it. But I'm I'm the youth. I want to push the youth movement. I want to push growing some young guys here in Baltimore. Because when I see all these, it seems like everyone else has a big fast receiver who's young, except for us. I mean, it's getting I'm getting tired of seeing everyone else have a guy. And we've had what 3000 yard rusher on 3000 yard receivers, Tori Smith, our leading receiver at 1100 yards and 10 years in a decade. That is just unacceptable to me. And while I do, I think Alshon would bring some red zone threat. I don't think he would threaten a thousand yards, but he could be a nice addition to to the room as a red zone threat. No doubt. Now, I'm just going to credit to the commenters here because same thing. How much is Alshon Jeffrey just have? Des Bryant, like to me, I would. Yeah, I would rather have Des back. That's what I think is dead. So so the reason I bring that up is because that's a great point because it does is going to be way cheaper. I mean, you already knows the offense and yeah, I can't get over the image of Alshon letting that pass go between his hands to lose that game in the playoffs when it ended up being intercepted. It was right here. Oh, from Nick Foles. Okay. Oh my gosh, I just it was right here. Yeah, I feel like any three of us could have made that catch and normally I don't say those things, but it was right here, man, right in your face. And so like, but that's just one instance. But I think Glenn has a point. I'd like to know I'd like to know your thoughts. What do you how would you feel if we don't sign a wide receiver and we just depend on the draft moving forward? I would be hum. I think the best way to put it is interested. I would be interested. I wouldn't be so excited. I wouldn't be super hopeful. I wouldn't necessarily be pessimistic, but I would just be interested and be like okay, well, let's see where this is going to go. And they would truly if they don't sign a wide receiver, or if because you know they're going to end up signing somebody. But if a wide receiver that they sign doesn't stick sort of like a Michael Floyd situation from a couple years ago, where they signed him and he was just around for training camp, and then they cut him in a final cut down. But if they go into the regular season with the guys what they have now, and whoever whatever receivers that they draft, I don't even know feel just like I said just interested. I would be a little bit like, okay, well, could this work out? Well, based off of the offenses that we've had, it's not like the receivers are heavily involved anyway. But I would like to see them involved a lot more. Not to say I want the offense to sort of flip flop to where it's past heavy and run less. But I would like to see the receivers get a lot more involved. And I would just love to see Lamar have somebody that he has trust with besides the two besides 15 and 89 Hollywood and Mark Andrews. And I would like to see not only with the wide receiver, but I would love to see Lamar Jackson continue to do what he started doing after he came back from the C 19 list and spread that ball around or really ever since Hollywood tweeted the tweet ever since Hollywood tweeted that tweet, Lamar started spreading the ball around a lot more. But if they went into the regular season with just with youth, see what scares me the most is probably not even doing a regular season. I feel like they can get by but in playoffs, primetime playoffs, the big games, who's going to show up. And now now we know like it's established that Hollywood, he's he's Hollywood in the playoffs. You can call I know some people like, Oh, no, you can't call him call the Marquis Brown because he ain't made enough play. No, in the playoffs, Hollywood is Hollywood. We saw it last year. We saw it this year in both playoff games. He showed up. But who else is it going to be? Who else is going to step up at wide receiver, especially if they go super young? Who else is going to step up in those crucial moments? So that that's one thing that I will be worried about. But that's why I didn't young. Okay, I'll go back. Well, I was just going to say we have I mean, DK his first year went off AJ went off Terry McLaurin went off. These are recent draft picks that were immediate successes in the league. And man, I want to see the Raven. I know that it's been hard to watch the Ravens draft receiver because you start to lose confidence that they even if they get the guy that they can develop the guy. But I agree with Eric when he said that doesn't mean you stop taking shots. It doesn't mean you stop trying. You got it. It may even mean you try more because you know, something something's eventually I mean, look at this point, aren't we just due to hit a receiver? I mean, how many years that they've been trying this? And the best they got is Tori Smith. I love Tori. But let's be honest, is that the best receiver you've drafted and developed in your franchises history? That's that's a problem. Right. And you know, so I've seen some names. I see some names in the chat that I think are in. What I like Corey Davis. I mean, Corey Davis seems like he would fit in the sense that he's coming from a run first offense, a play action based offense. He's a physical guy, a tough guy. He's coming off his best season as far as receptions and yards. It didn't end well with him on the sideline of that Tennessee game as the Ravens were winning it. But what are your I think he might be a much more reasonable costs and get down to where the Ravens might be able to squeeze him in. What's your thoughts on Corey? I would take Corey. Yeah, he is a physical. He's a taller guy. Go up and get it. Got some good speed too. So yeah, he would be a good fit. But I just I feel like Ravens won't want to dedicate that money to and I know he's not going to be. Well, I feel like he's going to be like right under the top tier receivers in free agency. Because I don't feel like he's on Alan Robinson level in free agency. But I feel like he's going to be in that like maybe that one point five or second wave of free agency wide receivers. So I just I don't see that I would I would not be mad if the Ravens got them. But I don't think the Ravens are going to take him. So let me ask you this question. I think this is a little bit more intriguing of an argument. Are you Glenn and your even both of you guys. So Corey Davis or Zach or it's present the same question. Hmm. Is it that that's a tricky one to me. I would go with Earth's because as far as I'm Greg Roman still here isn't he. Greg Roman still calling plays right. I mean. So to me you got to play to his strength. I mean I know that there's a lot of fans not happy to see Greg Roman back. But you know what works well in his offense is a loaded tight end room with a bunch of talent. But you know rather than a bunch of talent on the outside. If you just look at his history. I mean when he was in Buffalo Charles Clay absolutely went off. Charles Clay has been nothing since Greg Romans left. I mean he just disappeared. So he just make. So I feel like you just have to play to Roman's strengths. Especially you said and Raven were this close this close. So at this point you're building for you know this year. I mean this is this is a year you want to take a run at it. So I think you play to his strength and you go tight on there. And you talk about making a big play in a big moment. I mean we saw a multitude of those in that Super Bowl. Zach Earth has been there and he's been called upon for the majority of his career really to be the number one guy. He was the number one receiver there. No doubt. I think that that I think that just getting a playmaker whether it's a tight end or receiver is is where what we need to do moving forward. I think that it's there's this weird dichotomy that exists between the tight end salary that per annum and the Y receivers that it's just goofy right. Why receivers make so much more money than a tight end when now we know that tight ends are number one receivers in a lot of I mean what would that what would the chiefs be without Kelsey right now he's getting paid what like fourteen and a half. But even that doesn't compare to like 20 Andre Hopkins or these other top guys. So I think that the Ravens. I mean I definitely see that I'm going on record Zach Earths will be a Baltimore Raven this year. Colin. OK. Well we'll see what happens with that. But speaking of Greg Roman Lamar Jackson that beautiful Baltimore Ravens offense we'll start with Lamar. What do you all feel like Lamar needs to improve the most moving forward. Well to me it's it's going to continue to be decision making for Lamar. I think when when when he first burst on the scene we had a chemicusic on the film break he called him what do you call him Jimmy on the Babe Ruth of the RPO. He never made the wrong read he always handed it when it needed to be handed pulled it when it needed to be pulled. He just seemed to always make the right decision. Now this past season it seemed like he made the wrong decision on a couple of plays maybe should have handed it to Gus and decided to pull it and got tackled for a loss or was a little late on a read instead of you know anticipating it wait for it to get open and then by that by that point the window is closing. I think it's just all about decision making for Lamar and then and then everything else will just fall in place because he's just so darn talented. Yeah and I think I think for me with Lamar and this is something that I don't know if it's quantifiable but I think it's just maturation as a leader not that I think he's already a great leader. But the reason I say that is because I think it's a blessing and a curse to have his skill set in which he can always take more on himself and do more as an off you know as an offensive weapon. But I think it takes time and he's so young 24 years old to realize that by himself he can take this team to you know he can take this team into the postseason but he wants to have that success wants to get the Super Bowl which I believe he will. There's got to be moments where he's got to trust his teammates enough to put the ball in their hands. So I think that that just as well as things once again you can't quantify it but you can see it when it happens. And so I think that that will be the next step for Lamar where we see him have that trust in whoever the person may be and put the ball in the hands of the playmaker. For example on J.T.O. Sullivan's on his film breakdown of the play of the Ravens he said there were and you can see there were a number of plays where Lamar had the check down but the running backs aren't even turning around to catch the ball. They're already blocking because they they know there's no way in hell Lamar Jackson is checking the ball down. He's taking off. He's his own check down. That's right. Right. And so he could be coached which could be coached. The coach is saying don't check it down to him. Let him be a lead blocker and you go run. I mean the chances of that are while it's possible the chances are that are relatively slim like every quarterback is taught. Check it down. Right. Like check it check down first down. So I think little things like that will will be the difference. You know it is the step that Lamar needs to take. Just just not you know he talked about not letting the game not trying to force the game to him but letting the game come to him. I think that's a real thing. Just let it come to you. I mean he's so good on his own. He doesn't need to force it so much. I think he does that a lot in these big moments. So not every single one. I hate the narrative that like Lamar Jackson doesn't win big games. How many prime time games have people turned off early because we are destroying people. Right. Like it's ridiculous. So anyway that's what I think Lamar needs to work on just to be able to be present be mindful and like take a breath and just run the play just like it's in the backyard. Yeah. Yeah. And that that's that's really important too. What you said about the check them because it's crazy how times have changed and how things have flipped flopped without like flack or flack would always take that check down. Check down. Always take them check down. But with Lamar he never takes a check down and he's always looking for that big play. But another thing too. Just one thing that I want to see Lamar is just for him to grow as a person. And I really like that point that you made about him trusting his guys because there will be times when really Snead has done it. I've seen Hollywood do or seen Boykin do it where they'll run around and it's like they'll just be going through the motions because they they feel like oh you know what Lamar ain't even gonna pass me the ball anyway. So let me just run through this get it over with get ready to block blah blah blah. But I just want to see the offense Lamar first and foremost take that step forward and really getting his guys involved and really be willing to take chances on those guys. And those guys got to give him a reason to be willing to take chances too. They got to show him that hey I will give that effort for the ball. I will try to jump up go and get it. If you put it here I try to go there and go get it. They got to show him that as his past catch us now. Go ahead. Oh yeah. I agree with you go make a play but ain't right. I got a question for you because I have trouble. I have trouble with this because you know like all Ravens fans when I'm watching that Buffalo game or the Tennessee game the year before and I see them crowd in the line of scrimmage and I see us not able to from a passing standpoint you know back them up and stretch them out. And so I get frustrated with Roman. I mean I'm with you. I get crazy when I watch some of these games but at the same time I'm a realist and I look well just a year ago we had a unanimous MVP led the league not just in rushing and rushing touchdowns but led the league in first downs led the league in passing touchdowns led the league in point differential. So how is it that Greg Roman was such a genius and do and it was able to you know like how is it that we had so much success in 2019 and it seems like the credit is on the players and none of the credit towards Roman but then when that success dips in 2020 the blame is all put on Roman and none of the blame on the players. Do you see me like in 19 100% credit for the players and it didn't seem like Roman got much but yet when they fail he gets all the blame. How do you balance that. That's a good point. I think it's a couple of things for me. I think the offensive line that was bit Marciana was huge. He was huge when he left offensive line. We knew they were going to take a step back and we know we couldn't just replace Marciana like that. But like they took a huge step back even when Ronnie Stanley was still healthy even when Nick Boyle was still healthy. The offensive line they struggled. They struggled struggled, struggled, struggled, struggled. So that was big. Now last year. Yeah, everything was great. Everybody was like, oh yeah, Greg Roman, he's great. But one thing that I had really wanted them to do going into this offseason, one thing that I really expected and I said it so many times last year in videos and stuff. I was like, I just want this all the passing offense. They got this offense just as a whole. It has to evolve. It has to evolve because what they did this year was nice. It was great. Lamar Jackson, MVP, Mark Ingram, he got like 1100 yards, Gus Edwards, got a bunch of yards. They all did that thing on the ground. Offensive line they did that thing led the league when 36 and 6 touchdown passes interception ratio. Great, beautiful. But now how's the follow up? And I expected Lamar Jackson actually throw more touchdown passes, but more interceptions this year, too. That obviously didn't happen. But I just I expected growth. I expected growth from the offense. And I just I didn't see that growth. Now with Lamar Jackson, it was a lot of it was on him, too. He was excuse me, more so toward the the first half of the year. A lot of hesitation. It was a lot of hesitation, not just with throw with runs, too. And it looked like Lamar was trying to play prove it ball. Well, let me prove that I can make this throw. Let me prove that I'm not a running bag. Let me prove this and prove that. And who knows? It could have been that that could have been the offense that they were calling. I don't know. But with Lamar Jackson, he played a lot of prove it ball. And when he tried that, it seems like he was overthinking sometimes, because I remember I think it was the text is the Texans game, Texans game. It's there in the red zone. Lamar drops back and all the receivers are like outside the nut. He has a clear lane, clear lane. I'm yelling at the TV, Lamar, go, go, go, take off. He just sitting there, sitting there, sitting there, sitting there, sitting there. Then he throws to Hollywood in the back corner of the end zone, but it's a little bit too far. So it was just to hesitate. We saw so many plays like that. And then one thing that Lamar has been missing out on this year, he missed a lot of them were the big place where those big chunk plays through the air. There were a lot of times Hollywood would be past the defender, pass them. The only thing in between the end zone and Hollywood is space. Lamar would either over or under throwing a lot of times. So that that definitely hurt big time. And then there will be those passes where it just seemed like they either went on the same page. Like I remember there was in the Titans game where Lamar threw the ball. Devon Duvenay was going to the outside, but Lamar sort of sailed it in. And it was an exception. You know, Devon Duvenay, he could have did a little better to adjust to the ball, but ended up being an exception, just bad communication. Then we saw in the Bills game the same thing happened with Miles Boykin. And it could have been the win. I don't know, but Miles Boykin was going out. Lamar ended up throwing it in an exception. So I think a lot was the more of it that was on Lamar, too, was just the miscommunication and him just being off with his receivers again. Like we said earlier, could it have been from a lack of an off season? Not really buying that too but having an off season would certainly help. But again, look at all these other teams and they didn't have an off season either. And one thing that I was thinking this entire going into this season, I'm like, OK, Raven's got a leg up on so many people because Ravens, they got the same coordinators. They still got Greg Roman. They still got the same receivers pretty much. So Ravens are in some really good shape because they have an advantage over so many different people. But it just it didn't happen. But as far as Greg Roman, they'll Greg Roman is to me. He's the dean piece of offense. He's not a bad, bad offensive coordinator, but situationally, there's it can be very frustrating. And we saw that throughout this season. And with Greg Roman, we the numbers are still the same. The numbers are still the same. With the Ravens, there were some things that didn't go in their favor sometimes. So, you know, there were not a lot of penalties called for them, but they were like plenty called against them. I think a lot of pre snap penalties led to the offense just killing itself, shooting itself in the foot. You know, they will get like a false start or illegal shift, literally every single game except in the Titans playoff game. I think that was like the first game. They didn't get either one or the two. So it's just it's like it was just a mix of things. But despite that, they still went with eleven and five. And yeah, they still went eleven and five. So they still had success. But we just want more complimentary football, man. So I know when when Sarah was on, she made a really good point and something that I had never really thought about before, but it was a really good point. She talked about how a lot of people talk about how Lamar Jackson, he doesn't have any weapons. He doesn't have a top tier receiver. His offensive line is banged up. It's his patchwork, blah, blah, blah. And he needs more weapons, which I'm sure we can all agree on. But then at the same time, she said, well, you got to think about Greg Roman. Look what Greg Roman had to work with. He had to work with the same thing. He had to work with Lamar having a lack of weapons and a patchwork offensive line. And da, da, da, da. So it's just I think with this year. Oh, without that being said, I don't even know. It's just been a mess, man. You're right, though. It's a combination of things. I think that's what your point now is it's not just Romans, not just Lamar's, not just the weapons. It's all of them. It's not just the old line. It's all of them. But, you know, I do want to remind fans that, you know, when they say that our passing offense isn't as complex, they're right because you have limited practice time. So we had the most complex run scheme. So, you know, you only have so much. It seems like they directed their practice time in their focus into developing that run offense and making them once again the number one run team in the league. And they did a great job of that. But you look at Pittsburgh and you say, well, there's just so much more complex. Well, yeah, that's all they practice. They couldn't run the ball. They all they did was throw the ball. So I feel like you're right. They have to take that bar instead of eating up that whole bar in preparation and practice towards the run game. Even that out a little bit. And let's try. And I think in the beginning of the year, they were, if you remember, they were, we were frustrated, banging our heads like, why are they throwing so much early on? It's like they were trying to do it in season because they didn't have a preseason because they didn't have a traditional training camp. They tried to develop it. And then they had to ball it up and throw it out the window and go back to that run scheme that got them, you know, where they were last season. So maybe with a true offseason, full preseason games, we'll see an improvement and we'll see that that balance that we've been hoping for. Yeah. And the other the other thing too, I think that's important. Really, I think it comes it boils down to this is who do you have confidence in? So obviously we didn't get where we wanted to go. And that happens. 31 teams end up being losers at the end of every season. But if we have confidence that Lamar Jackson is going to continue to prove it to improve as a player, then that's step number one. But do we also have confidence that John Harbaugh is going to coach up and raise the expectations of his OC and his DC specifically right now, Greg Roman, like do we have confidence that he's the type of coach that's going to keep reinventing himself, keep getting better? I personally do. I think Glenn does as well. A lot of people go to Lamar. If he and that's not reinventing yourself, you go from Flacco to Lamar. I mean, they're two opposite types of players. So yeah, I agree. And so the last question to me really comes down to Greg Roman. Do you believe that he is the type of guy that he's going to keep improving as an OC, keep getting better as a coach and as a play caller or is any? I think that's really the question because I tell you what, everyone this week, of course, is talking about the bucks and the chiefs, right? The worst thing that happened to the bucks is COVID-19 because Andy Reed is doing nothing but sleeping at his office. And for 18 hours a day, he's doing exactly what he loves to do and has proven to be the best at drawing up plays. That is all he's doing. And so I'm not I'm not saying which team is going to win was getting bucks of the chiefs. But you better believe Andy Reed is going to have some incredible plays out there in that game, because that's what he does. And so if we believe that Greg Roman can improve, I'm not saying he's going to turn to any read. But Andy Reed continues to add plays to his repertoire, right? Like he doesn't have 25 plays, not like remember the Titans where he's like seven plays like it's like Nova Kane, give it time, works every time doesn't work that way, right? Andy Reed's probably got 500 some odd plays and every day is coming up with new ones, variations of them. So do we think that Greg Roman has that internal motivation to keep getting better to take the next step? Yeah, he's going to keep his identity. We know who Greg Roman is, but can he improve? Like I mean, to me, that's my question. That's that's what I have to know if I'm the Ravens organization. Is he the guy that's internally motivated to take this offense to the next level, have the self motivation and the self accountability to say, I'm not where I need to be. What can I do to get better? Like I think that's the ultimate question at the end of the day. And man, that's something that I'm a bit worried about going into the season two, because again, Greg Roman numbers don't always tell the whole story. But with Greg Roman, the numbers are they always the same with every way it goes. That Russian offense always on top, passing offense always on the bottom. So I'm just hoping that this this year will be different. Real quick question that came from my guy, a boss man Harris. And I know we kind of going backwards a little bit, but he asked, would you take Juju Smith Schuster on the Ravens? Come on, man. Heck no, he is not he does not embody what we think of when we think of a Raven. I mean, just the fact that Mike Tomlin let it go, let the the pregame celebrations going as long as it would. I mean, that was insane to me. What how what week was that since it had a game? He's still dancing on people's logos. I mean, that's just unacceptable. And I don't think that would be tolerated here by John Harbaugh. And then after all that was finally seemed to be put to rest, he then comes out and provides more bulletin board material for the Browns heading into their match up, calling them same. They're the same old Browns, bunch of, you know, nameless gray faces. And I just I don't to me. I like him on the field as a player. I like him. I mean, he's a tough guy. He look, I mean, even the game in which in the Browns game, if you look at the stat line, he ended up with I think double digit catches over 100 yards. And he is a tough guy. He's a good, you know, he goes up and gets the ball. He's a quality route runner. But to me, personality wise, I don't know unless he was able to rein in all the social media stuff that he seems very important to him. You know, I don't ever imagine a Raven dancing on the opposing teams logo pregame and putting it on TikTok. I mean, it just seems like such a bad move. And I would I would be stunned if John Harbaugh would ever let a player get away with it. So on the field, yes, but too much off the field. So it's a no. Yeah, I'm not going to take too much time here on that one because to me it's it's a simple no at the end of the day. He'll be pricey. Yeah. And I tell you what, man, I was I was rooting for Juju so hard. I mean, he went to Long Beach Polly. I have some connections back there. My in-laws are down in that area. I lived there for a couple of years. I knew about him when he was younger. Juju is awesome at USC, really physically gifted guy. But what we've seen as of late is my concern, just like what Glenn said it. And I'm going to show my age here. All right. I think that you guys will understand what I'm saying. I think that some younger kids sometimes can be a little bit of front runners. And I think that social media can can add to the egotistical behavior of one. Right. And I think Juju is a little bit more into Juju than he is into the Steelers. I mean, he named his dog bougie for goodness gracious. So all I'm saying is that I just it's something that there that doesn't doesn't shout team first guy to me. And look what what we we did to keep the culture intact here in Baltimore. I mean, we're going to have to, you know, go through litigations and we're obviously going to owe money to to Earl Thomas. But they weren't playing games. And I'm not saying I'm not comparing him as far as his antics to Earl Thomas. But what I mean culturally, that is very important to the Ravens. And I don't think they want to do anything to to to shake the boat at all. Yeah, I agree because Juju, I feel like he on the field would be a perfect fit, perfect fit. And I feel like that his game, what he can do, especially how to steal is ran an offense over this, obviously not the same offense. But if the Ravens could implement some some short passes, maybe some screen passes to the receivers and whatnot, just to get them going early and just get them involved. It could take it a long way because Juju, he physical receiver, physical guy. And he is not the fastest in the world, but that physicality and then that same physicality could be applied to blocking too. So I feel like he he would be a great receiver for the Ravens. But yeah, just all of that, the off the field stuff and not that it's it's definitely not the worst off the field stuff because we've obviously seen a lot recently, we talked about all. Yeah, even recently, too. Yeah, it's been a big Yikes, but with Juju that just that that, like you said, it doesn't really show that he's team first. So that that's that's been pretty unfortunate. One of the commenters said Corvette Corvette ran out of gas. Yeah, it's right now. It's got to be it. Do you think Steelers will bring them back? Because I don't know how they can afford it. I mean, they look like they're in the nightmare and they're going to need a big assist from Big Ben to get under that that number if they hope to bring him back, which I think they'd be smart to because if he's gone, then they don't really have any any type of hopes and dreams for Super Bowl. But yeah, you're not a Haskins guy, Glenn. Yeah, man. You know what? I liked Haskins when I thought he was going to Maryland before he chose Ohio State. I was hoping he'd come to Maryland and there was a chance he was almost here. I think if Loxley would have stayed the first time instead of going to Alabama and then finally coming back, I think he would have been a turk. But yeah, but now he has to prove it to me, you know. Yeah, not for sure. Now, in Raven, I got a question for you. We've talked about this and there's a lot of people that talk about this. The the the situation that exists with Jude on and and in Gakwa. I know we're kind of switching over to the side of the ball here, but I think it's exactly where I was going. So I think it's an interesting one because there's another thing that I've predicted. I think they both walk. So I think that's a third scenario that that people aren't they're saying it's going to be one or the other. I think they both walk. What do you what do you see as the outcome? And what is your preferred outcome? Yeah, I've been saying the same thing, too. I think they're both gone. Eric, the constant mention in his press conference about how guys are getting the ball out quicker than ever. Quarterbacks are getting that ball out quicker. So maybe there's not such there shouldn't be such an investment on past rushes like that. Jude on say what you want about them. I know there's a lot of people with Jude on. I feel like you say it's a love hate thing with Ravens fans. People either really love Jude on or they really hate Jude on. But Jude on he's not a bad player and he's actually more versatile than unique and got quick because he'll drop back. He'll cover tight end or drop back in zone unique just strictly password, password, password, but Jude on his password should drop back outside line, but all that. But and they move Jude on around, too. But I don't think either one of the two are going to be back. I think unique is going. I think Jude on is going. And then you've got some other guys, too. You still got Bowser. You got Jihad Ward. You got Derek Wolf. Those guys are all free agents as well. But between unique and Jude on. I mean, yeah, unique and Jude on. I think they both walk because they're going to command a lot of money in a year when everybody's pockets are going to be a little bit tighter and the Ravens there. Their pockets are usually always tight. They're never one of the teams that have the most money and free agents. So they never wanted teams that go into free agency with some of the most money. So with Jude on and unique, I think they just most of you need since they traded the draft picks for him. I think they take that as not necessarily a loss, but I think they just charge it to the game and they like, OK, well, comp pick here we come. Yeah, yeah, I mean, to me, unique like you mentioned, he's a past rush specialist. He doesn't really fit with the typical outside linebacker here in Baltimore does. He doesn't play the run well. We had a guy on who covered him, his entire career in Jacksonville, and he said it was almost an unwillingness to even attempt to play the run. Like and if you look at his grades on PFF, his run grade is in the 50s. I mean, it's it's really, really poor. So and I agree with you. I think Jude on is great in the sense that he is versatile. He does drop well in coverage. He can play the run at times well. I mean, sometimes he struggles, but you know, I feel like he's the more versatile guy, but both are right now expected to get a fifteen million dollar market value. And that's just not that's not going to happen here in Baltimore. But let me ask you guys this, because my concern is, say you let them both leave. And are you telling me that a Super Bowl team has Jalen Ferguson and like, who is your past rusher? If those two are gone and you don't replace them, are you counting on the draft? Or do you think that they should counter and bring in another free agent outside of those two? I think they draft again and maybe possibly Bowser. But if they if they end up losing Bowser, too, which is a possibility, too, then I think they draft. I think they double down in the draft on edge rushes. That would make me I would just be nervous because it's like, where is the you don't know them? I mean, we're hoping, but then we don't really know who the past rush is, where the past rush is coming from. And I know we got great corners. But how much do we want to continue to rely on them to be put on an island? Because the only way we can get pressure is by sending more than you're blocking with that. That's what. So it's it's that fine line. Like, yeah, I don't want to pay those guys 15. But I also don't want to go into it not knowing who's going to be able to get to the quarterback in a year. I think we can win the Super Bowl. And there's so many interesting things here to consider, because if you're talking about the draft, we only got right now as it stands. I realize there's comp picks that, you know, there can be trades, whatever the case. But right now, we only have six picks. So we only have six picks. And then on top of that, you know, we want to retain some of our guys. We only have so much money in free agency if we want to bring in a injured or older veteran, which is what we do here in Baltimore. So I mean, but one of the things to bring up another hypothetical here, I'd like to eat your take on engraving is that we saw an article in S.I. that linked, you know, JJ Watt to the Baltimore Ravens. And one of the things that I liked about that and like to eat your thoughts on was that. So say, Judon, I would be happy if if Judon and Ngakwe walked and we were able to resign Bowser McPhee. I mean, obviously Wolf would be incredible to resign. But and then, you know, so McPhee, Bowser and and Jihad. But if you bring in a guy who like like JJ, who's not going to command fifth, I I seriously doubt unless he goes to Jacksonville, he gets 15 million a year, right? Like you only go to Jacksonville to retire and get a lot of money. Like that's all you really do. It's just like, I mean, you don't live down in Florida. You know, there's a huge retirement community down there, man. Like, you know, I know. Yeah, you're right. Exactly. So my questions you would be if they can bring JJ in on a on an eight million dollar deal on a, you know, I mean, something like that, a two year, 12 million dollars, eight million guaranteed, something like that, right? Like I don't see his market being much more than that. Is that something he wants a ring? Yeah, he wants. Yeah, is that something that intrigues you or are you like, nah, he's old. I'm I'm over it. I just every time I watched JJ White this year, he just seemed so tired and he just seemed almost like lethargic. If that was another guy that I felt like I feel like he's the offensive version for Ravens, he's the defense, excuse me, he's the defensive version of AJ Green for the Ravens where it's one of those moves where it just makes so much sense and you just feel like it's going to happen. Just like Kaleas Campbell. Kaleas Campbell is the same way. He was another move that you just you just felt like it just makes too much sense for the Ravens to get Kaleas Campbell. They wouldn't got him. But with JJ White, it's same thing. Like he's he's going to be on the outside with the Texan soon enough. Um, he he got a little bit left, but I feel like with JJ White, I almost feel like he would be like a situational guy. If the Ravens got him. Oh, I wouldn't be mad, but I wouldn't be like, oh, yeah, we got JJ White. Let's go. I will be anything like that. He'll be like, OK, JJ White. All right, let's see what you got left because he even he's obviously had a really good career, made a lot of plays, done a lot of damage to offenses, no offensive lines. Even though he he was beating up Orlando Brown Junior last year, too. He was he was a dog in Orlando Brown Junior last year. And that's before Orlando Brown Junior became a left tackle. But anyway, um, with JJ, I'll be I'll be OK if they got him, but I just wouldn't want him to be for too much because JJ White, well, the last person who I really, um, I was happy that they got, but I was upset with the contract when I feel like they paid on too much. It was Earl Thomas and I just I don't want another episode of that. Even though I feel like with the Ravens and Earl Thomas, I think they just wanted to get out of that contract. I feel like a lot of that stuff on the side. It was fabricated. But anyway, um, JJ White, I'll be whatever about. Um, he could help. And we obviously he would be better than what we have now. And when I say that, I mean because all of our guys are free agents. So we don't have anything there right now. Or besides Ferguson, um, yeah. Yeah. Jihad White, and I forgot. Penelope McPhee, too. I forgot to mention him. Penelope McPhee, Jihad Ward, Bowser, Judon and unique. Like it's empty there right now. Well, pending is going to be empty. But, uh, so yeah, I couldn't hurt. But I just, um, yeah, yeah. I'm surprised to hear this because in my opinion, I think JJ is being a little sold short here. I mean, when I look at the numbers, he was still the number one, most double teamed outside defender in the league. So he commands respect from the offensive coordinator. He was still top 10 in pass, pass, rush, win rate and run defensive win rate in the league. Uh, so when you, when you're talking about a guy who had no help around him and he's still performing at that level, imagine you put him next to Calais Campbell. You put him next to Derek Wolf. You know, you put, put Penelope McPhee outside of him who was just a dog in the playoffs and was shutting down the run on the single hand elite. You pair him with his former defensive coordinator, new D line coach and Anthony Weaver. And, and, and I mean, to me, it would be if he's willing to come because he wants to chase a ring at a discounted price. I mean, absolute. This guy is a what man of the year. I mean, he was, you know, he's a great leader. I know that there, I saw some people say he can be kind of divisive. I haven't, I haven't seen that, but I don't study the, the Texans that up close from the outside. He was a former man of the year. So you think he'd be a great in locker room guy, not to worry about the Earl Thomas issues off the field and in the locker room. But, but to me, I mean, if he's coming at the right price, I would absolutely love to see JJ and Purple, because if you look at the numbers, he's still performed well. And what, two years ago, he had 16 sacks or three years ago. I think, I think it made him on two years ago. But yeah, I'd be happy, but I know that it's a long shot. You know, the people that say JJ is defi divisive are the guys that come in, they come in like at the last minute before workouts. Like unprepared like man, this fool has been here since five o'clock. He's happy to be here. He's in a good mood in the morning. Like those are the ones like he's divisive. Yeah. Well, sorry that he's happy to be here and working. Like, you know what I'm saying? I feel like JJ, I've only heard once he gets to play against his brothers. He ain't going to play with them because they are in Kat nightmare. I mean, they have no chance. Right. Where else can he get closer to his two brothers in Pittsburgh and here in Baltimore? And be a part of that rivalry, man. That would be awesome if I'm here. And he'd be on the right side of the rivalry. Let's be honest. Like we're trending up. Like, yeah, what it is. Yeah. That's true. So still sticking with the defense. Secondary. We know Mark is Peter's Humphrey. What do you feel like the Ravens need to do in the secondary? Oh, man, they need a center fielder. I mean, they got we love what we got out of the Sean Elliott. I mean, expect he blew the expectations away. A lot of people thought there's no way he's even going to get through the season healthy. And then the other said, well, if he does, he's going to be a liability in coverage. He was neither of those. Now he wasn't Ed Reed in center field, but he wasn't a liability. And we all know what he brought in support in the run game. I mean, you can just say as Derek Henry, what he brought support in the run game. But to me, we still don't have a true center fielder on this roster. We don't have a guy that when the chiefs or Tampa Bay are running those got that those those talented wide receivers vertical down the field, they can cover and eliminate the middle of the field. Now, I know we were blessed and we were we were awfully lucky to have Ed Reed here. Maybe, you know, I know we'll never have another one like him. But if we can get someone who can play that center field role to me, that's really all we're missing on the back end, because in my opinion, you know, Chuck Clark, I like Chuck Clark for his smarts. I like I like a lot of stuff. But, you know, to me, I think to Sean Elliott would be a fantastic strong safety because of the the the way he supports the run game. And we should try and look for a true center fielder at free safety. Yeah, he he would be a perfect strong safety. You have him down there in the box and not afraid either. Like we saw it with with Derek Henry, he wept him. He just he's not afraid to go head up with anybody. That's probably one of my favorite things about the Sean Elliott that he doesn't care who you are, how big you are. And there was I think he whacked their tight end in the regular season. He went down in the post season. He whacked their tight end and made them drop the ball on that third down. Oh, that was my favorite play in the Buffalo's in the in the Bills, the Bills game. Obviously, there was I didn't have too many plays that I liked, but there was a play where where oh shoot, what's his name? The receiver. Oh my gosh. For the bills, digs digs digs. I can't believe I forgot his name digs. He led up on a slant. It looked like near the red zone. And that's because he saw Elliott right there. And he's like, yeah, I'm going to let you know. Yeah, and the Elliott look that I'm pointing the girls like that's a good thing you didn't go out the ball because I was about to whack I was about to give it to you. I love that one. But yeah, I agree with you there. I mean, we need to be certain that's about all you can look for in this secondary. Because I mean, they're all supposed to come back now. No, we can't count on Tavon. But if you just could imagine those four corners playing together, it's insane. We that that'll that'll be the day that that would and Jimmy too. Oh, Murphy's law, man. Murphy's law, one of these days, Tavon's going to make it through 16 games and one of these days we're going to hit on a wide receiver in the first round that's going to be a pro bowler. It's just Murphy's law, man. We got to take at bats. So this was supposed to be the year that that Tavon did make it through the whole season because every other season he makes it through the year. And this was one of those every other seasons. But yeah, man. So I think they need to they need to get somebody who can play the slot. And I know they put Marlon Humphrey there a lot, but I think they need to get like a not necessarily a maybe a dedicated slot guy. Because with Tavon, you want him to be that guy and he is that guy, but you can't put all your eggs in his basket because of his history. And he knows that he knows that he's more than aware that team is more than aware of it. So I don't even think because, you know, football players I mean, they're people. So they're sensitive. It's like if you have a certain position at your job, but you always showing up late or you always calling out. And then your job brings on somebody to fill in for you at that position. And you may get upset like, oh, you're trying to replace me. But then when you think about it like, hold up, I do call out a lot. I do show up late a lot. So OK, I understand they just want to have their their selves covered. So I think the Ravens need to do the same thing with a Tavon young. And with Jimmy Smith, too, because, again, we we know as Ravens fans, Ravens know as Ravens front office that when one corner goes down, it could happen to another. It could happen to another. It could happen to another. They did just re-sign Devonte Harris. So that'll be another one added to the list of secondary help. But he was getting torched by the Browns. Well, in torch. He was battling, though, man. Pick a little bit here. He was battling. Look, not everyone should look like Marlin. Yeah, not everyone's going to look like Humphrey. Now everyone's going to look like Peters. You got to have those back at the end of it. But I'm starting to look at there's not a whole lot of room left in this in this cornerback room, because Averett's coming back. I mean, he played well. He was playing. I think he played 100 percent of the snaps for back to back games in the absence of Jimmy Smith and Peter. So I think this is already a pretty crowded room and a pretty talented one, too. And he looked a lot better, too. I remember times last season, even early this season, where it looked a little bit rough sometimes, but he was just one of those guys where he just needed more experience and the more experience he got, the better he looked. So Averett, yeah, he came on strong toward the end of the year. So, oh, yeah, even Marshall. That's another one. He's coming back to baby. Yeah, I got a question for you, and because I was, you know, we subscribed to PFF and we see the rookie rankings come out. And, you know, we understand that Patrick Queen didn't necessarily light it up, but I was kind of stunned to see that he was performed that low amongst his peers and fellow rookies and him and him and Tyree Phillips were both ranked in the in the worst 10 rookies of the year performance wise. What are your what is your hopes that he can rebound? I mean, I think L.J. Fort's a pretty solid vet and I like having him there, but we need to rely on on Malik Harrison and Patrick Queen going forward. So what are what's your confidence level at right now for both those young guys, but more specifically, Patrick Queen? The Patrick Queen thing is his biggest downfall was past coverage. It was a lot of times where he just he just looked lost. He looked like he didn't know what was going on and again, hopefully we could just chalk that up to there not being an off season. So they didn't get to really be around the guys, be around the coaches like that, of course, everything was virtual and football is a hands on sport. You can't just sit there, watch videos all the time and talk to each other on Zoom conferences all the time and be like, OK, I'm ready to go play. No, it doesn't work like that. You got to get reps. You got to get practice and all that. So hopefully with this upcoming off season, Patrick Queen and just moving forward period, he can improve on that. But again, he was a rookie. He was a rookie and he was on this this was been said to be a very complex defense. So I I'm not like worried about Patrick Queen. He he did make a lot of good plays. He made some bad ones, but he made a lot of good ones, too, especially at the beginning of the season. Seemed like maybe he came out with that fire at the beginning of the season, but then toward the end of the season, he kind of cooled off a bit at rookie wall. Yeah, with Malik Harrison, he with him, he was used a lot more in the beginning of the season, but then in the second half, he didn't really see him out there too often. But they they brought him out there to for the big guns like for Derek Henry. Those are the games when he was always on the field. And I like he reminds me he's a linebacker, so it's a lot different. But he sort of reminds me of the Sean Elliott with just how he's not scared to go head up with anybody. And he's very, very, very physical. And again, he's a linebacker, so linebacker should be physical, but he's like very, very physical. And he's good in past coverage, too. So with Malik Harrison, I feel like with him, once that opportunity is there, once he starts getting out there on the field more and more, he I think he's going to be really good. I really do. I think some people not that he's as fast as Patrick Queen, but I think that some people mistake. Malik Harrison is a guy that might not be great in coverage or in the open field in his own type defense because of his lack of speed. But I think what happens is he's a longer. I mean, he's what, six, three? He's relative and long, for an inside linebacker. Those strides are long. And so while, you know what I mean? His cadence is much longer to where it could look like he's moving slower. But he, like you said, he does well in coverage, uses his length. He makes you pay. But the only thing I'll say about Patrick Queen is that if he does nothing else next year, but just make tackles, just wrap up. Yeah, that would be an improvement. There were so many plays where he was there and it was like he wanted the homerun hit instead of just making the tackle. And so I feel like if he can take one thing from LJ Fort, who I think- LJ can wrap. Right, a far and above our best open field tackle, tackler is LJ Fort, my opinion. If he can just learn one thing from LJ is that you gotta wrap up, right? You just asked Eric Henry about that tackle in the open field because LJ Fort got him to the ground quickly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'll go ahead. No, I was just gonna say, I agree with you. I'm excited about Chris Board too. I think that if there's a chance to get him back, I believe he's a free agent if I'm not mistaken. Is it restricted? We have it right. It's a restricted free agent, but we saw a lot of him down the stretch too. And Raven, I know you saw him out there and also the versatility that he brings because he was, if not our best special teamer, he was one of our best special teams players too. And we know if there's anything John Harbaugh loves, it's positional versatility. That's true. And with Chris Board, I didn't even know, I forgot what game the commentator said, but he used to play safety. And I had no idea about that. I did not know he played safety in college. Now. In the weight room. Yeah. Yes. And my steps on him. Moving back to the offense real quick. What do you envision for Gus Edwards moving forward? He's a restricted free agent. So they can offer him the tender. What do you feel about Gus Edwards? Not only contract wise, but just his growth as a running back. How do you feel he's going to do in the future? I'll let you go ahead, Jimmy. Go ahead. And I just start. Look, Gus Edwards is as it stands right now. I mean, Lamar Jackson, he's my favorite Raven. I think he's the most, I think he is the most undervalued player on the team. I think he might be one of the most undervalued players in the NFL since he's been in the league 700 yards or at a minimum every game. I mean, sorry, excuse me, every game I wish. Every season and five plus yards per carry. Every, you know, as an average every season as an undrafted guy out of college. I think every year, I mean, if you, I remember watching Gus and liking Gus in the pre-season of his rookie year and saying, okay, this guy's big. He's got power. He goes north to south, which is what I like. He doesn't try and dance. He'll just run you over. But he had no wiggle, no balance. He had one movie, it was one trick pony. So that was my concern. Every year Gus is improved in his wiggle, in his illusivity, in his body looks stronger and fitter. Obviously his hands have improved. I am a big Gus Edwards guy. Everyone is excited for JK to take the next step next year. I believe that Gus Edwards is the only back that we have in our backfield that is a true bell cow, high volume guy. And what I think that he does is that he allows us to even more become the best offense at controlling the clock because his style is methodical. It's up the middle. You know, he's running for eight, 10, 12, but he's not breaking them off. Not that he doesn't want to, but based on his style, he's not breaking off 70 yard runs or things like that. But the way that he can control the pace of the game is what we need. I mean, I think his value is incredible. How many times did we see Gus get five yards when everybody at their mom knew that we were gonna run the football? Everybody, and he's still getting five yards. He's still hitting linebackers in the face. I mean, so I'm a big Gus Edwards guy. I hope that we don't play games with his tender. We give him what's due and don't let other teams come sniffing around. Yeah, this would be, they gotta bring Gus back. I mean, I don't think he has more value in any other team than he has here. And people always talk about Derek Henry being the bully and being the where you down type back. Well, I think people forget that Gus Edwards and him had the exact same weight. He's two inches shorter, but he's still a six one. I mean, he's not small. I mean, Derek Henry's six three, which is just outrageously tall for a running back, but they have the exact same weight. And I don't think there's any doubt. I mean, he runs hard. This guy had a, I think in 2019, he didn't have a single carry. They went for negative yards in a whole season. That is insane. That's not just the old line. I mean, I'm sure we all have seen it where he was contacted in the backfield and he somehow turned a negative play into a three yard game. There's just, he is a fun, and people talk about, he can't catch. I mean, leading in this season, he didn't miss a single target his way, getting going into last season. Now I don't have the stats in front of me, so I don't know if he missed many this year, but he caught every single target that came his way until last season. I think he had two catches this year over 30 yards, didn't he? Yeah, so the guy can do it all. And I agree with you, Jimmy. He's gotten better and better and better since he's been here. I remember the vision was an issue his first year. They said that as good as he did, the holes that were created from Lamar in this system, he could have done better but he's improved that. His vision has gotten better. His pass blocking's gotten better. His catching on the backfield's gotten better. His fitness has gotten better. He's done everything that Raven's asked. I think he's no more valuable anywhere else than he is here. To me, it's a no brainer. Him and JK, we need two backs, so why not bring him back? Yeah, that's true. And like you mentioned earlier, he was a lot bigger that rookie season, but then he slimmed down and he added, he didn't lose any speed, he added a little bit of speed, but didn't lose power. Because I remember after his rookie season, when there was all this talk that he slimmed down and then they showed his body from like the rookie season to a sophomore season, I was like, oh man, I'm a little worried that he might not be running people over the same, but he just got better. And with Gus Edwards, man, I just, I like how you put that. You hope that they don't play any games with that tender. Cause yeah, God think my guy Jimmy Dean just said it, that he would be super hard to replace if the Ravens lost Gus Edwards. Cause you can find a big back, you can find a bruising back, but can you find one that can be a little bit elusive too? It's just, it's not always that simple, as simple as it looks. So with Gus Edwards, hopefully everything works itself out. Maybe they can even give him an extension. I feel like with the Ravens, they, I feel like they, not that I would want it for Gus Edwards, but I feel like they could almost like low ball him with an offer because running backs, like we just saw Todd Gurley get paid a couple of years ago. And then Rams were like, hold up. No, we're not doing this. We made a mistake. Yeah. And then Devonte Freeman, who was on the Falcons, we saw him get paid a couple of years ago. Falcons end up cutting them. So running backs, running backs value, it continues to like, there's this wave year after year where it changes. It's like almost like a roller coaster and it just, it keeps fluctuating. But with, with Gus Edwards, they, yeah, they got to do what they got to do to keep him in. I know you can't keep everybody, but Gus Edwards, yeah, you got to keep him for sure. The crazy thing for me is if you think about Gus in the 70s, the 80s, even the 2000 Ravens, right? Like that era where it was three yards in a pile of dust. To me, if Gus is coming out of the draft, he's a first rounder. You know what I mean? It's just a fact that, yeah, exactly. It's a fact that the era is different that he plays in, right? That only diminishes his value to a certain extent. But my point in saying that is that Gus Edwards is so good at what he does. If you can just be in the top two, three at what you do, even if it's just one thing, I think you're always gonna have a job. You're always gonna have value. He's so good at what he does. They can crowd the box and Gus Edwards is gonna fall forward and get you four and a half. Like that's just what he does, you know? And then in the second half, people get tired of hitting it, man. It happens all the time. And then he starts breaking them, right? So obviously I'm passionate about Gus Edwards. He's a Gus homer. Oh my gosh, it's bad. This is how bad it is. If you had to ask me right now, if I had to get rid of one, I'd get rid of JK over Gus. And I know that sounds crazy. I know it sounds crazy. I'm getting in the car. I'm coming over. I know it sounds crazy. But I just love what Gus brings I fell in love with this offense when I saw eight and 35 doing their thing back there that I'm looking here together. That's when I fell in love with this offense. So it's hard for me to get off of that. Like I still have some emotions about that. Well, let me ask you guys a question. And Raven, I wanna propose you a question because you brought up Orlando Brown and his switch to left tackle due to the injury to Stanley. And then unfortunately he turned to Twitter to announce that he is a left tackle. And of course, I'm assuming he's pointing to the contract talks between his agent and the team. And to a point I understand. I mean, look, if you take the top five on average left tackles, they make 5 million more than the top five right tackles. And really Lane Johnson is pulling that average up by himself as the right tackle. And if you eliminated him, it would be even a bigger difference between the two positions. So I understand financially why. But is this a situation that's repairable? Like is it, he didn't do too much. He just sent a four word tweet. He didn't bash anyone. Is this a situation where it's repairable and he'll still be a Raven this year and maybe even next year? Or is this to the point where they have to try and move them and see what they can get for him? No, I think he'll still be with the Ravens this upcoming season. I don't think they'll trade him because you have him and you know who he is, you know what he can do. Now he did struggle a bit on that right side. So I know a lot of us, especially me, I forget about it sometimes, especially when all that talk, the left tackle talk came out because he did a really good job on the left side. But I don't think the Ravens get rid of them. I don't think they move them because that was your weakest position. Now, if he started talking about holdouts or he didn't want to be with team anymore, then I think, okay, they like, okay, maybe we try to get some form. But that position completely like changed your season. And the playoffs, it showed more than ever that offensive line is a priority. And they talked about it throughout the season, had an offensive line as a priority. So with Orlando Brown Jr., he just said that he's a left tackle. But I think they'll be fine. I think he'll play for the Ravens this season. Like I said, if he started coming out and saying some other stuff or whatnot, then it might be a little bit different, but he doesn't have any leverage. He can say, oh, I'm a left tackle, but the Ravens, he's under contract right now. And if he chose to hold out, he will be losing out. It would only be affecting his pockets in a bad way. And then another thing too, and somebody pointed this out to me in the comments section of the other day, but they talked about how with Orlando Brown Jr., this is, yeah, if he was to start something, like to start just so I'm a left tackle, I don't want to play right tackle. If he was to start that, then that would not only have an impact on him on the Ravens, but in his future endeavors as well. Because teams see that stuff, they look at that stuff, and they're like, hold up, this guy, he's not really a good teammate. And you know, a lot of teams, actually they look past all that teammate stuff too, because they want the best players, but still there are teams that'll be like, oh, we don't want him in our locker room. He's not a good fit, not a good teammate. He's over here making himself greater than a team. Now we don't want that. So I think this whole thing, I think it just blows over and Orlando Brown plays on the right side this year. And then after that, he's gone. Now, let me ask you this, this is where I differ, Glenn and I differ in opinion. I just talked about Eric only has six picks as it stands right now. We know that that will change at least in comp picks, right? Do you ever think that if Eric gets an offer, it's gonna be those- Yeah, it's gonna be those things where he's like, you know, he's looking at the draft. He's been spending so much time on the draft board. And he's like, you know what, man, I would love to have two first rounders or I'd love to have another second rounder, right? And he pulls the trigger because it's almost like, and he can't change a tiger. What is it saying? He can't change a tiger stripes or something like that. Is that how it goes? Close enough. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Eric is a draft nerd of draft nerds, right? Like that's how he cut his teeth. And so, like the draft, this is Superbowl just as much as the Superbowl is anybody's Superbowl. So I wonder if he gets an offer for Orlando Brown that he's unable to resist it and he pulls the trigger. That's the only thing that I think could happen with the Costa. And that's why I'm predicting that he goes. I think that they're gonna get a deal and Eric's gonna be like, oh my gosh, I can't believe I'm getting a number one for this guy. Done. Yeah. But here's the thing. You're right. Draft is a huge important part of a GM's job. But the number one job is roster construction, no matter how that comes. Free agency trade and the draft as well. Well, if you're a Superbowl ready team, how could you get rid of a stud right tackle when you think you're ready to go, when you don't have a replacement ready to take his place? And I just think Eric's only logic is gonna be, well, I got him in the third round. Yeah. That was a good hit, but you can't count on that. I mean, the draft is a question. I think that that would be his mentality. I agree with you. It's gotta be a pull. When you're this close and you have a stud right tackle, and look, as much as he played well at left, but he's not as good at left tackles, Ronnie Stanley. I mean, when they pay left tackles, they pay him for pass, bro. If you look at his pass protection and you look at non-biased evaluators like PFF, it's not close. Ronnie Stanley is an all-world pass blocker. He just is. I mean, look what the year he did with Lamar where he didn't give up a sack all year, better than J.O. and pass blocking statistically was. I mean, the guy is just a fantastic left tackle. And as good as J.O. is, he's not as good at that position as Ronnie is. So you stick him at right tackle and you hope you make a run. As good as J.O. is, huh? Oh, you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? I told him, I told him, I told him, I told him, I told him, I'm crazy. Now, what do you think about that? What do you think about that, Angraven? Do you think that for sure that Ronnie is just, because some people are saying, like, you know, some people are saying, well, put Ronnie over at the right side, right? Because they think that Orlando's better. Do you think that clear, it's clear that Stanley is just, he's just better when he's healthy? Well, Stanley is the left tackle for the Ravens. And I think that's it. He got his contract. That's it. He got paid. They paying him left tackle money for him to be the left tackle. So I don't see any scenario where they be like, okay, you know what, Ronnie Stanley, we paid you. And Orlando Brown, he played good over there, but you know, you go ahead and move to right tackle. I just don't see that. Because if Ronnie Stanley was a right tackle then, they would have been able to save some money on his deal. But to your point about the, if they got a deal, he just could not refuse. If it, well, he just could not say no. I could see Eric pulling the trigger for that. It would have to be something like really, really good to where it just blows him away. He like, wow, I can't believe somebody. And I done fleece some teams before with some of these deals, because you know how he does with those fifth round picks. But it would just have to be the ultimate trade where he just gets so much for Orlando Brown Jr. And he's like, oh, you know what? Yeah, okay. You're going. Bye, see you. Yeah, I love that. He's gonna flee somebody. I love that you said that because that's exactly what I was thinking. Wait for Eric to see that and he's gonna flee somebody for sure. So do you think, cause I see my God, Josh put a comment in the comment section. My own opinion is next year, it's not a Superbowl or bus year because they're keeping the same offensive coaching regime. So I say, get the picks to prepare for roster construction after Lamar Jackson's rookie deal. So my question to you too, do you feel, I know it's early, it's very early, but do you feel that this team can get to the Superbowl next year? Absolutely, 100%. I think they could have done it the last two years as well. I mean, I think they were, you know, maybe some bad weather away this past year. I mean, so absolutely. And I think that once your quarterback is taking up 20% or more of your cap, then your chances go down. I mean, if you look at the Superbowl winners, you know, a lot of those quarterbacks were on their rookie deals when they won their Superbowl. So that gives you so much more cap flexibility and roster flexibility to improve elsewhere. Once your quarterback, you have to nail, so to this point, you do have to nail the draft. If you're paying your quarterback 21% of your cap, you've got to nail the draft, I agree there. But the Ravens don't, this is like the lowest year I can remember them having draft picks. I mean, typically they're in the double digits for their draft picks. So it's not a problem that they consistently have where they're only having six, seven draft picks. That's just not here. So I'm confident that they can get those draft picks in preparation for that without getting rid of your stud right tackle to do it. Yeah, no, I agree with you. And the only, you're playing with fire there because as soon, like Glenn said, as soon as Lamar's contract hits, because they're going to extend in this off season, but as soon as it hits after that fifth year, you're in a whole different situation, right? Not saying that Lamar's deal won't be worth it. Cause I think as far as a singular human on a football field, Lamar Jackson is the best return on investment in the NFL. As far as a singular person to pay, that's my opinion because of what he can do in his ability to run the ball. And he's the dual threat of dual threats, but I just think it's tricky to not realize there's a special emphasis on right now and this moment. And that's why I agree with your statement that it makes sense to keep Orlando. I just think that Eric is going to see a deal and it's going to be hard for him to hold back. How's he still there though? You're right. And he talked about being patient in his presser. He talked about exercising patience and maybe he'll have to do that, but it's just going to be an interesting one. So let me ask you guys this. If Eric sees a one come across his desk, which a lot of people are saying is already like a given, like a team's going to give a one. I think that's given up a lot because we value ones a ton here in Baltimore, but based on Eric's maybe a little bit inflated value of a one, depending on what team it is, where it is. But if he sees a one come across his desk, you think he's just going to leave that alone? For Orlando Brown Jr. Yeah. I think he would try to get more out of that team more than just a one, like a one in change, like a one in four, a one in five, a one in, I don't, I think for a one, I think he would think about it, but he would really try to do what he could to get more. So what about a one and their current starting right tackle? Cause if they're, or left tackle, cause if they're going to get, you know what I mean? That's a rare type of move. That would be a unique type of move for sure. Cause then the contracts would have to be similar or you have to pay for that as well. You have to pay draft capital for us to take on that type of contract. But yeah, I mean, I don't want, I don't want Orlando to go anywhere. I'm with you. I just think if he sees a one, it's a done deal. I think he's gone. Okay. Okay. I got Jimmy had a very interesting question. He said, cause then we getting ready to close out a little bit. He said, what do you guys think about never paying a quarterback? Just keep drafting. The talent went down a lot after we signed Fleckler. And, and I agree with him there at that last part part because Flacco isn't a guy and I love Flacco, but he's not a guy that raises the level of play around him. Look at Ronnie Stanley when Joe Flacco was our quarterback. Middle of the pack tackle, average tackle, maybe squeaks into 10, maybe, boom. Lamar Jackson's in there. He's the number one all pro tackle, had the greatest pass blocking season in the history of football. Lamar Jackson, we didn't, we had a fledgling run game under Joe Flacco. I mean, it was, it was not good. And then Lamar comes in, boom. We have the number one rush tack in the entire league. The amount of, the amount that Lamar raises the level of play around just from him being there. Just the whole, I mean, I love Gus Edwards. And I just got to tell you how much I love him, but there's no doubt that the holes are widened by the threat of Lamar running to the outside. So, and then, and then when you pass Rush Lamar, you can't pass Rush Lamar like you could at Joe Flacco. You can't pin your ears back and go. You got to stay in your lanes. You have to, you have to pass Rush with a responsibility to not allow him to just blow by you. He opens up the field for everyone offensively. Now this is the only way he does defensively. Well, he can ball control your offense. He can control the ball, control the clock and keep the opposing offense on the sideline and keep your defense rested and sitting on the bench drinking Gatorade. He ups the level of play of every unit on this team where unfortunately Joe Flacco, while he may have done it in that health run, but he had a lot of help there as well. I don't think Joe Flacco did that nearly to the level that Lamar did and to let Lamar go would be catastrophic in my opinion. Yeah, I think that's the, if you're gonna base your logic on that statement, that's like saying I have $5,000 and for these next $5,000, I will invest in lottery tickets until I hit. And then once I hit, you know, and never working, just trying to invest in lottery tickets over and over and over and up. It's like, yeah, I don't know if I would do that because trying to hit on a quarterback, I think is incredibly difficult. You know, it's the hardest position in team sports, I think to play. And so that's just, that's a tough one to me to never pay a quarterback. I could see never paying a running back. I could see maybe never paying a receiver, maybe, but definitely not a quarterback. Raven's already doing that with never paying a receiver. The next question came from my boy Skeptico. He said, my personal opinion is the team needs a veteran right guard more than a high price wide receiver. LeMond needs the reliable protection more than another weapon on the outside. What do you think? Now, I'll start off with that one. But I think with that one, that's where everything starts. And I think you, I obviously need a combination of both, but that's where everything starts. So yeah, it starts with the protection. If you could have the best receiver in the world, you could have the best group of receivers in the world. But if you don't have any protection, you're not going to be able to get the ball off as we saw in the playoffs a lot of times and throughout the season. But yeah, I do think, yeah, it starts up front with the offensive line. So they got to build from the inside out, but still do not neglect the receiver position. Go ahead. No, no, I agree with you 100%. I'm going to be succinct on this answer is that if we do nothing in this off season, but retain our, so for example, our Y receiver corpus stayed the same. I'm just talking free agency. If we retained our guys, except Chris Moore, I don't want Chris Moore, but if we retained our guys and we did nothing but sign who we consider is the highest rated, all pro right guard out of Washington shurf, I would be completely fine with that. Then we can go into the draft and we can get a couple of young Y receivers and hopefully get a stud center, but I would be super happy with that. I agree, skeptic goat is after my heart. I agree with him 100%. Yeah, I know you like building through the trenches and I'm with you there. And I wouldn't be against if I saw Brandon Sheriff walking through the door. I'd be pretty happy, but at the same time, I feel like the Ravens have put some draft capital towards the interior, mainly the guard position as of lately they brought in Bredesen. They can, I feel like they could find a cheaper stop gap that could still perform at a high level rather than giving 10 million to a guy that's, you know, to a guy like Sheriff. I'm hopeful that they can fill those positions through the draft or a cheaper route. Like, I mean, look, Fluker wasn't the greatest right tackle, but if they could find a guy like Fluker to play, to plug in at right guard, that would be my preferable route and save that money for somewhere else. Okay, and one of the last questions before we go ahead and wrap it up came from Raven C. He said, if the Ravens go one and done in the playoffs, would you fire John Hubbell? Oh, man, that's a tough one. It's not for me. Are you gonna say Rogan? No. Roman, Roman, that'd be easy. No way, no way. Yeah, no, actually, you're right. Yeah, you're right, Jimmy. I mean, the way he reinvented himself, built the offense around a guy that a lot of pundits said couldn't even play the position. And not only did he build it around, he built it around to where he was the MVP in his second season, his first season starter. Yeah, I think you keep, you keep, and also just look at the praise that he gets from other coaches, from coaches on his staff. They rave about, Wink himself, we love Wink, but Wink has said that John Hubbell was integral in making this defense much more teachable, much more easier to understand that way. Like you mentioned in Raven, it's complicated, but easy to coach, easy to teach. And he credits Hubbell with helping him develop that. So, yeah, to me, John Hubbell, he's like, I mean, I'm a John Hubbell guy, so I think he can stay as long as he wants because I have confidence he'll keep us competitive every season. Yeah, I think one thing that doesn't get said enough about John Hubbell, one is his preparation of his teams in the play-up. Obviously, they said, you know, this year, he has the most road wins in the NFL in coaching history. In history, yeah, in the history of the NFL. That's incredible, yeah, most post-season road wins. I think that's an incredible statistic. And the other thing that doesn't get said enough is that according to reports, John Hubbell in those scouting meetings was the one that was beating on the table and said, I want Lamar Jackson. I know what we can do with this kid and with this offense, I want him here. So, I think he doesn't get enough credit for that to not be scared to go out on a limb as a coach. And he has built an absolute culture here in Baltimore. Any job, any place that you go to work, there's nothing like going to work for a place that's a toxic culture. You can't get paid enough. Like, there's nothing worse than getting up in the morning knowing you're going to a place that you hate. But having that culture intact is all to me because of John. I think that's where it starts and ends. So, I say, yeah, no way, not for me. All right. And the question to close us out, what does this Ravens team need to do to get where they need to go? What's the biggest thing they need to do to get where they need to go next year? I mean, to me, it's offensive weapons. I think the defense was championship ready this past season. Look how they played in the playoffs. They were lights out. And I think that they're returning, for the most part, outside of Judon and Yannick. They're returning most of their contributors. So, I expect the defense to be super bowl ready already. So, I look at the offense and I say they need playmakers on the outside. I mean, whether that's tight end, whether that's receiver, either one, I think they need to add playmakers to this offense. How often do we see highlights where there'll be a throw to the end zone? It's not like he's uncovered. It's not like he's wide open, but the receiver just goes up and makes a play. I want to see that here in Baltimore, where, yeah, the guy necessarily isn't schemed wide open, but it doesn't matter. I mean, we saw AJ Brown do it to Marlon Humphrey while he may have pushed off. There's not many men that can push off a Marlon Humphrey and go up and get a ball. I want to see a playmaker like that here in Baltimore, a guy that can go up and get a ball and make a play on one-on-one coverage, regardless of the corners in his pocket. Yeah, and I think adding to kind of what Glenn said is, I used to think that Lamar had to get some runs in early to get his rhythm going. So my key is we need to get Lamar in rhythm with Roman. I think there are times where he's on a different wavelength as Roman, as far as pace of the game, feel of the game. And he's telling him, hey, where's the play, right? Like I'm ready to move on to the next play, and they're not always on the same wavelength. So I used to think it was to get Lamar early runs, but if the Ravens want to be a successful offense, I believe they need to do some pitch and catch early. Early stuff and get those receivers involved, get them incentivized and have Lamar see the ball be caught by a couple of times by a couple different receivers. That's really it, that's the missing element because that's just like a guy that can drive to the lane but has no three-point shot, right? As soon as his three-point shot just becomes respectable, the whole lane opens up for him. If we can just do a little bit more damage in the short game, the short passing game, I think everything else opens up for us. So that's what I think needs to be added on to our current repertoire as far as offense goes. Yeah, I agree. My biggest thing I think it is about bringing some weapons in, but it's about also using your guys, using the weapons that you have. And I think one of the biggest things that this team needs to do moving forward to have some real success is use the guys, play guys to their strengths, because too often they'll get these guys, they'll bring these guys in, but they won't play them to their strengths. And we ended up wondering what happened to them, especially this season with Duvenay and Prochet. And it's just, it's a failure on the team's part, on the offensive coaching staff part, on the offensive part, it's just been a big failure. So I think we just really need to get guys involved. And like I say, play them to their strengths. So, fellas, let everybody know where to find you at, YouTube, the Twitter, everything. Sure, yeah. So you can find us of course on YouTube at 410 Sports Talk and engraving gracious, we're very gracious for you having us on the show. We appreciate it. But like you said, the link is down in the description. You can find us on YouTube. Also, you can find us on Facebook at 410 Sports Talk. 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