 I'm not sold on this idea that cancel culture is a thing because people Like I said like if cancel culture were as powerful as people may get out to be then Tucker Carlson wouldn't have a show a lot of people would be canceled, you know But like growth is important like I think that there's this assumption with this cancel culture rhetoric to kind of shift gears into cancel culture That the left is uncompromising and they're never willing to accept growth But that the opposite is true like I totally agree with you like we are pro growth like if you're gonna grow and change I think that's really important like cult of dusty is one of the best people to talk to on this I haven't talked to him yet But he's someone who I actually I was subscribed to him a long time ago like in the early 2010s But I actually unsubscribed because the content that he made he made a particular video about black lives matter that I disagreed with I thought it was a bad take so I unsubscribed and like he's back now He's streaming and he talks about all these bad takes I had they were terrible I said this I said that and I disagree with them and so I think that that's really phenomenal That's beautiful and for me if I were to go back to like the early humanist report Catalog I would probably find a lot that I disagree with because the thing is that we're constant as human beings We're constantly growing and if you're not growing then I think that's bad like it when nobody wants to admit that they were wrong Nobody wants to back down everybody wants to be able to commend themselves for holding strong on something on a particular position Throughout the years, but that's not realistic for everything So I think that you know encouraging growth is important And cancel culture like we keep seeing it like there's this letter from Harper the letter as it's I saw a video from David Dole on this and he basically said everything that I wanted to so I kind of feel like okay Well, it's out there. It's a that's in the universe, but I mean like it's cancel culture is not Really an issue It's more of a thing that is used in a way I think to ironically to silence the left right because like if you criticize someone like jk rolling for example What is her first defense? Oh, well, this is cancel culture everyone's 2pc, but it's like well You're not canceled though. You're you're a billionaire in your mansion So you're not being canceled and you're using cancel culture as a defense to shut down debate about your actions So what is your take on cancel culture because I'm irritated whenever I hear the words personally I I think we're we're just gonna be uh, this is gonna be an exercise in masturbation I guess Well, no, I I completely agree with you. Like I I I don't think cancel culture is a real thing I think that like even someone like jk rolling is going to even if jk rolling was the platformed off of twitter tomorrow for You know hate speech towards the trans community Um, she would still be a billionaire She could start her own twitter tomorrow if she wanted to right and I'm not even saying learn to code But she could actually she has the money to start her entire social media company Um, it I don't think it's a real thing and I don't think it bears fruit in terms of like Where are the results? Can you give me examples of people who were canceled right as a part of cancel culture? Um, I like it seems to me like people just don't want to be held accountable Or they don't want to be called out for their shitty takes on twitter Uh, and by virtue of the platform, especially if you you're a famous person That's kind of what twitter is gonna be, you know, like I like I don't know about you I don't know how often you actually check all the replies to a single tweet you have But there's going to be you know Half the half the human population probably hates you right in any case, right? All the conservatives will hate you right like all the outriders despise me They're constantly telling me terrible things and and like that that's just the virtue of the platform Um, that doesn't mean that I don't want to take information from especially for someone like jk Rowland who is getting feedback from her peers, right from from people she worked with like, uh What is it daniel radcliffe right just came out and just did the most beautiful elegant little like, you know You could just hear it as it is tonight for the whimsical voice, you know, just coming out and and made this whole post That was just so lovely to see that was just like I I'm sorry that she's she's doing this But at the same time if you as a child Took anything from these. Please don't ever let that leave your heart I hope it meant to you as much as it meant to us to create it all that kind of stuff But at the same time trans women are women trans men and that's all there is to it, right and and that Yeah, I mean, I'm sorry my my long-winded answer short that cancel culture is not real Yeah, no, and that's that's beautifully put because I I totally agree like what I see Like the discourse with regard to cancel culture from me can be like reduced down to Someone getting backlash over a tweet. So they say, oh, well, I'm canceled Or like if you put up a youtube video with the bad seg and it gets like majority dislikes Then you say I've been canceled But because you're still here. So have you really been canceled though? I mean, it's just it's not Really a real thing and in the instances where someone is like legitimately canceled and they lose their career It's really rare and it usually is legitimate like lucy k Like I think that that was probably a justified cancel what and most people say, you know what I mean So it's it's overblown and I think that really it's it's I don't know. It's a sloppy discourse It's intellectually lazy in my opinion. So whenever I see like hysteria about cancel culture I mean you can point to instances of like a viral video leading to someone losing their job And sure you can you can debate whether or not that's something that we want in society But overall what we're really talking about with cancel culture Um in terms of like the political discourses people with large platforms people who are on national mainstream news People with power and money and you're not being canceled if we criticize you They just want to put out shitty takes and not be criticized But I mean that you're canceling everyone else wants to criticize Let's use louis as an example because louis in my opinion wasn't canceled in the same way that these people are saying they're canceled louis was accused uh of women of uh, you know, forcing them to watch a masturbate And locking them in rooms to to perform those acts and then admitted to it And that was it It wasn't like this long ongoing process where louis said like the the thing with all these comedians who are like you can't even do Comedy anymore like I can't even say what I want to say. I'll be canceled instantaneously. Blah blah blah Sure, you can do comedy you can do have you seen eric andre's new special It's got to be one of the most offensive comedy specials in a long time And yet it's it's still not as bad as most of these other comedians stuff because there's a point, right? Like what is the punchline the same thing with like the really the the kind of shitty Dave chappelle one of my favorite comedians probably my favorite comedian actually if I if I be totally honest His newer special is unfortunately on netflix not not that good and just because it really feels like he's punching down Right, he's you know, he's attacking members of the trans community stuff like that And there's not really a point to the punchline at the end of the j Sorry the punchline at the end of the day wasn't like something that is actually going to be transformative That actually makes me really think about a societal issue like he used to do so beautifully. He was sublime at that, right? So in the case of louis ck He's even though he was quote-unquote canceled by which by virtue of like he admitted to doing some pretty horrifying things He still sells no comedy clubs. He still makes comedy specials. He's still if you wanted to I'm sure he could have a special on a non netflix-esque network I'm sure you can get on a whole bunch of other tv shows if you really wanted to right like he hasn't Effectively been silenced, you know, uh, how about someone like mel Gibson? You know mel Gibson has to be one of the most vile racists of our generation in terms of like He believes these horrifying things and is vocal about it It's not like we have to think about whether or not mel Gibson is a piece of shit We have it on tape, you know, you know calling calling, uh, you know saying you're gonna get violated by a pack of n words And things like that, right? I'm trying to keep it as PG. This is definitely not as bad as he put it Uh all the way to being incredibly anti-semitic He was nominated for an academy award a couple years ago, you know, like persona non grata canceled mel Gibson Is nominated for an academy fucking award roman palansky? What an academy award after quote-unquote like should he not be canceled like he raped a 13 year old? I think that's pretty canceled I don't know No, I will say the people who are the most like anti-cancel culture They are cancel culture though Like I I can't remember who and I'll put it up on the screen Megan kelly was railing against cancel culture previously But all of a sudden she's tweeting at nike and disney because they just penned a deal with colin cappernick I mean, what is the goal of tagging them, you know, trying to get him fired? Obviously So it's like cancel culture is a weapon that's being used Disproportionately against the left and like I think that you can debate the merits of cancel culture In fact, since we're talking about this, I've got to plug the sub more news Segment on this by cody johnson. It's like 40 minutes, but it's it's it's perfect Um, but I mean cancel culture is Being overblown and it's being used as a weapon against the left to demonize the left and it's just fucking bullshit like i'm sorry Yeah, no, I totally agree