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We thank you in advance and we love you Man hey man listen man. Hey, I'm not about to play with y'all y'all know what we do over here, man We are in Chicago man. It's going down man We got the locals in the building the guys who matter deep Brooks is in the building producer platinum producer stop playing Man, it's good to have you appreciate y'all have me man My energy on the whole another level come on country boy And it's like like I always tell people like me I look at it like I'm sitting under the tree talking to all my homeboys So it's a whole different world where I come from. I don't know how to do it the whatever the conservative professional way I'm trying to figure that part out. You know sad as we go So man, thank you for coming on the show. No, I appreciate y'all having man. Let's get to it. Mr. Mako. Okay, so I like to get into your background and all the business So born and raised your born and raised here in Chicago east side east side Chicago See, I don't hear a lot east side I hear the west side the south side, but I don't it's like people forget about the south side and the east side is kind of like the same thing just a little further south but Obese is really like state to the lake. Mmm. So raise with your mom and dad Yeah, I did my smaller years with both and then you know split How old were you when they split? I was 10 I believe okay 10 or 11. Did you see it come in? Like all the arguments all the whatever could you feel that? They never really Put that in front of me and my little sister like that You know I'm saying my mom even to this day my mom don't speak bad on him He don't speak bad on her. It's just one of them things, you know, but sometimes it to me I'm not saying to argue in front of your kids But sometimes when they see it coming is like they're like they expect it but when all of a sudden out of blue Oh, we split another like my what what's going on? Why I think it almost affects you even more because when you see It going wrong. You're like no y'all need to be a part your kids. No, I Don't really think we've seen it coming, but I don't think it was One of them things I was just Super shocking, you know Did it affect you when you know, you had to lose your dad out of the household because I know you you sort of split households But it's still he wasn't there with you. I think one thing about Black man, especially from Chicago. It's like we so used to just keeping it pushing That a lot of that stuff don't even really catch up until you get older Thinking back like, you know And I've been doing like therapy, you know what I'm saying That kind of make you go back and look at your childhood experiences and realize that that's the reason why because that's one thing That's the reason why I ask the things that I ask because I'm very into your Cognitive thinking how you think about how you and there's so many people who sit here and be like no that didn't affect me Which I know that's a lie. They think it didn't affect them. But until Therapy or until they really sit down and go through things and realize that oh, that's the reason why You know what I mean? Oh, I didn't care if he was there, you know, it's a type of thing my mom was mom and dad type of thing, but Your mom can't be mom and dad to a young boy Exactly you need both exactly so you stay with your mom for a little bit then you want to stay with your dad or you didn't stay with Yeah, okay, so but they was both in the city though. Okay. Okay, so you still had so it was you and your sister Did your sister go with your dad too or just she to stay with mom? I think I went first and She was more so just visiting. Okay, that's crazy. I really don't remember But that's probably one of the things that I did affect that did kind of affect me. It's like a lot of that Shit, I just blocked out like my memory, you know, I'm saying but since you've been going to therapy now and I'm thinking back. How did that affect your walk in life all the way up to say now What things stood out to you that the therapist helped you really like recognize that? It was because of that broken household Why? maybe my Hyper independence like just being overly independent and I really Being used to asking people for stuff or need and stuff or just you know, I'm saying just your first man always Going towards figuring stuff out on your own, you know, I'm saying but I don't know if that was just because of You know our dad's and really our dad's parents It was kind of a different way of raising them, you know, I'm saying more so just to be tough do what I say and just Right not explain why and stuff like that, but they really didn't know how to I think our parents didn't really know like How to communicate? Did it affect your relationship with females? Because then to me seeing something like that would be like some people would feel like oh she ain't gonna stay around because you know Relationships don't work Because you didn't see so-called a successful relationship as a child growing up Probably I don't think we hit that part But I that's something I do notice and talk about though like It's not really a lot of people who I could say really just sold the idea of marriage and Family to me like I don't really know a lot of people that's like Yeah, this this is who I'm looking at like. Oh, yeah, that's cool. It worked. You know, I see more people. That's kind of like But it's not even like they have to sell it to you because and it's even if you had a have a good woman there Who is so-called selling to you if your mind isn't right as in like because of in the back of your head You're like no matter how much she's good She not gonna be stick around because as a child you think that okay, your mom is good But it still didn't work type of thing, you know what I mean So sometimes we subconsciously sabotage ourselves in relationships not realizing the reason why, you know We nitpick at certain things not realizing even when you have a good woman there was trying everything You see what I mean? So that's why therapists or people always say you have to go back and retrain your mind and look at That and be like everybody's relationship is different just because this happened in appearance relationship That'll mean that it's gonna happen in yours unless you sabotage yourself to you know doing the same thing Yeah, but oh Yeah, but let's go all the way on the opposite side Okay a sexy read or somebody who really just know these streets and you do know and you Worn by the things you already been through and it becomes something that's a positive side to where you know Not to let yourself get caught up in it because you've seen such a such go through it Somebody get down on you. I feel like that's thick harder than A good a good woman showing you they good side. That's right reason You know, that's cause she probably perpetrated you never know Right, but really a gold digger. It's somebody that really know how to lie and finesse and just Yeah, what they want out of you that stick harder than like, you know Somebody who really got genuine heart, but then you always see okay for woman I know women always tend to date the bad boys because you always hear woman always like oh, I like bad boys I don't like the good guys as much as a good guy will treat you good do this do that They'll be like well he boring, but in some men be like they like the the woman who are you know crazy? Like why you always end up with these crazy woman and why Cuz we were just talking about this the other day, right? One thing about Somebody that's like fiery and crazy versus pride It's like You won't know how they feel, you know what I'm saying It's like they gonna show you rather than just trying to figure somebody. That's a little more hard You know what I'm saying? It's like You know, it's like we're kind of lean more this way because at least we know like Whether you line or not you showing or something, you know what I'm saying as opposed to just kind of being standoffish You have to figure it out. You just have to think she make you work harder because you have to learn her Wow, I can tell you right now man I never didn't know who's going to because I got some things I could put in there But I'm gonna let them make it, you know I'm always looking at both sides of corn the The womanizing situations that a man sometimes get caught up in because of the same thing You just said some of the deceit the Jezebel spirit some of the things that will make a man, you know cry Academics cry You can get emotional You know me and go through things, you know and at the end of the day, you know We just want to be prepared and defensive as we be vulnerable a little bit But we got to be the man because when everything all else fails everything come back to the man Yeah, woman cry quicker than men do though and a lot more and I was a man Nobody really cares until you until you got your shit together about academic crime. I'm saying in general No, I don't think they care. He's like nobody cares unless you got your shit together And you're ready to come through how you supposed to come through but other than that. It's like Talking about your problems crying about them and you know, I'm saying I really don't get you nowhere, but Put down sometimes As a man you start crying too much Then it's gonna be like I gotta get what he cry all the time. Yeah, I'm not saying too much But a woman is just she can cry every day Come back strong man. My dad is seeing me crying. God bless the man resting peace pops, but man. I probably get beat He ain't trying to hear that we got to be mean we got to step up and be here every time You know, I trip on and I'm gonna get off this album a soap box But me and crying and not being productive is not gonna help this this world That's true, but that's in everything we do we have to have a balance meaning like you tend to that's the problem with Man back in the day where you know men be like, okay, you got tough enough. Don't cry Don't you know show your emotions don't you know, so he's like men didn't know how to communicate the how to express Themself they held everything inside which is not good So you have to have some balance where you're able to express yourself as in like What you want what you feel how you you know what I mean is like men should not talk about their feelings back in the days Or as you assist me, you know, I feel like a man balance. It's just a long time Cave man, and I'm gonna tell you something producer, you know, not being productive in the house I I gotta be productive and that guy that you talking about that old man Some of some of the biggest things that ever happened in this country happen behind that now none talking man Oh, the man who basically builds that building or go to work every day that man right there the fences And fences, you know I'm saying that father is To be commended at some point as well. We can't just say another get his credit They talk down on his emotional standpoint, but at the end of the day without him being the guy He was he might have produced on the level he produced, but you're saying so you're you're you're feeling like because You are emotional or you are communicate. You're not productive No, I'm just saying what they did in the cases they came from when you start going back too far You start going back in the slavery and everything else So some of that stuff was coerced because of the things that our ancestors went through So you start to see this thing travel up and we're on a course to do better, of course But a lot of those things we done some of those times when we were quiet We were quiet because massive might whip somebody or kill somebody so you see what I'm saying So you you can't you can't blame them You got to look at their production and be proud of where they come from my granddaddy was going to carry that gun every day He was gonna be quiet. He was gonna walk in the house He wasn't gonna say much, but he gonna pay the bills. He taught me how to work He taught me how to fish he taught me how to be a man how to go to work every day Get up early in the morning for the women get up. That's what he taught me So that's the thing that I look at when you look at men that come from that old age So when I seen him not talking and he talked to me about things that he never did talk to Talk in front of grandma about it gave me strength and courage to understand how to be a man Because I knew how to present myself in front of a woman because of that He didn't say everything in front of grandma. I ain't gonna go there. Y'all taking me there I don't do this because I'm old soul. I come from grandma and grandpa. You know And that's that's a cold lick you about to say something I was it on my soapbox. No, I was just saying when you were just speaking on Like breaking a man, you know back in slavery time me and my homie We was just talking about the Willie Lynch like a lot of people never heard of that still to this day Just how you know, they went about just breaking. Mm-hmm the biggest strongest man in front of everybody to just kind of still fear and then but And it's still a fear. That's like promoting like Okay, we just got to be Strong, you know, I'm saying we can't say that on the to the crowd You know, I'm saying it's just like we kind of just got to shut up and just take a lot of shit to the chin And just you know, I'm saying and I mean, let me just interject something as well a lot of times our women Basically overlooked that in our men today For as the men who still carry these burdens because this stuff is generational it keeps coming down and down and some people worse than others That's why you got a divorce rate on an all-time high That's why you got guys again open up because of situation that you just explained. I'm being real You know what I'm saying, but we're supposed to be moving towards a future as in not to forget the past and the things that We went through but to learn how to retrain our minor thinking to make that better for the future kids that are coming on To say that you know what you can be tough, but at the same time you need to be vocal You know, nobody should suppress how you feel how you think nobody should make you feel less than a man Nobody should make you feel like No matter what color what race what whatever what, you know gender you are a man Are you supposed to stand up as a man and lead as a man no matter who you are? That's good game That's good game, but that that's a that's a process, but it's great game It's definitely the truth because like you said it's a lot of unlearning and relearning, you know, I'm saying so a lot of people got to be able to even see they self first before you even start that process a Lot of times it's hard for somebody to see they self just because they so used to You know I'm saying being defensive or just kind of hide, you know Yeah, but you know being not conformed to this world would be transformed by the renewing of your mind You have to renew your mind. You have to forgive you have to do these things, but this is it's a process It's a process man, but let's get to it man. Let's talk about some of this music man Now you said Drizzy Drizzy is what yeah, I want to talk about that for a second like Producing here. How did you even get into a we gonna get in hurt? But how did you even get into music is this who turns you on or who turns you out? You know, they come down to the music Really, I kind of grew up in the studio honestly, okay, like my grandma she had a resource center for like girls who You know had kids and needed help trying to get back on their feet and stuff so one building across the street they had a The building with like all the apartments and stuff and then across the street The other side it was the school the music program the you know, I'm saying so when I used to go out there to visit her excuse me, I Just always took a liking to going into the the studio Wow and just messing around like as a shorty Wow and just be figuring out You know, I'm saying the equipment and just messing around with the piano and the drums Did they keep you out of trouble? Well, that was far out they stayed like all the way back, you know, I'm saying far so that was more so like on weekends and You know, I'm saying maybe a couple times a month. We'll go out there But I just always knew when I was going over there. I wanted to go to the studio Yeah, I'm saying from a little age like probably five six seven Let me ask you this man because you know when I'm looking at you, you know, and I'm thinking about you growing up here in Chicago You said the east side which is connected to the south side when you think about this Chicago lifestyle I only can go by the movies Now ice cube came and they did barbershop and it was second one I think they did and they was basing it off of the at first might be in Chicago too But the second one I remember because they was talking about the gangs and the violence and and I think Tiger was in I want to say and he jumps out the car and they trying to force the kids to be in these gangs Like is that a real thing or is that a movie like is that is there people pressure like that when you were young? Did you see any ways that that was like survival, you know what I'm saying? But it's like the best way I could break it down It's like, you know how boys in the hood It's always No matter where you from is you know I'm saying and these type of situations. It's like it's a dope boy It's a Ricky. It's a tray. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, but we all Seeing and growing up in the same things. It's just kind of what you lean more towards, you know, I'm saying rap sports hustling, you know, I'm saying like Some people had fathers that wasn't All the way good enough to get them up out of it But they were solid and they giving them game like that's how you know I'm saying. Yeah, that's how you maneuver That's how you you know, I'm saying so I was blessed to have you know, a father that really Wanted to see me rise from Where we was that is that how you my mother? You know how you avoided it was just being Have I really avoided it. It's just maneuvering through it maneuvering through it. You came really just avoid Like when you go outside, you're on a certain side of the hood Neighborhood you hear about all these people from Jeff Ford Larry Hoover you hear about all of these different things All these different channels like and and and the legacy is here like and then you got from I mean, I think my boy done one from over here, too It's a bunch of people from here, bro, and and it brings a collage, you know of lifestyle like What was the thing that that basically kept you from being caught up with it? You know what I'm saying basketball and basketball music basketball amazing at one point I had hoop dreams and then Once I kind of just locked in on music. I knew like okay. This is really why I want to go with it, you know, I'm saying Not to say them the only two options But when you you know I'm saying what we from these is this was getting put in front of us like okay these is your ways to Really be successful. Did you see anybody? Victim of gun violence die in your neighborhood people that you knew friends that you grew up with How often did that happen? Too often too often is it something that has digressed because you've become an older man Or is it something that you still hear that's more intensified. I still it's still People getting affected by gun violence like to this day Unfortunately, you know, so you kind of become a little more numb to it over the years and just kind of Except like there's just a part of Where we live at but I don't live in different places, too You know I'm saying is really not too different than anywhere else didn't know where else cuz God got a hedge of protection around That's all I'm looking for the fact of how you how you keep making how deep Brooks keep being blessed and keep moving on and God keep you in these studios and you in these different places and you hear these different stories But God got a hedge of protection around your life. That's big. Yeah, you see what I'm saying and I'll just bless for my people like to kind of put in me early Like just kind of know who I am like a lot of people kind of seek Validation in different ways So you're probably you know, I'm saying end up in situations that you really Don't want to be in or don't know how to maneuver around And just kind of go down that rabbit hole, you know, wow Let's talk about the first song that was it was it Drizzy the girl Drizzy that the first song that you produced that was on the radio What was the first one that that hit mainstream to where you was like man? I got something I was working with on My homie Jay Lin Jay Lin, okay And I was the first song that I was kind of getting like we was getting decent spins around the city Yeah, tapping in with DJ's like maneuvering the different events Wow So that was the first Like Okay, I'm seeing how people are reacting to what we doing Mm-hmm, and they it seemed like they rockin with it You know what I'm saying and it's like that was my first like, okay, you can really keep going That's all in a good response. You know, I'm saying. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah I definitely understand like when you outside of just doing it in your basement with your homies Yeah, what like like but the first time when did you go platinum? Was it was an NBA young boy? Was it somebody else before that? Okay, all right. Now, what was it? How did you even meet with NBA young buddy even go play them? so I end up in LA cuz me and And Drizzy we end up getting like traction with the music we was doing me Drizzy Katie My homie saw us will we all just used to be kind of locked in like At my in my apartment just working every day and just We knew what we wanted, but we didn't really know how to get to it. Yeah, but we knew we had something So we just locked in every day working. We end up getting some traction You know, I'm getting on and Drizzy had a big freestyle that went viral And just start getting looks from like fab comment like people just kind of reaching out like oh, yeah, you hard You know what I'm saying? So we turned that into a mixtape mixtape turned into a label situation. So that's how I end up going to LA And I laid Everything I really work out as Playing with that situation, but that kind of put me in like fight-or-flight. You know, I'm saying what happened in LA Like what what caused the label? Did they shelf it some people or did they shut down on some situation where they told you one thing and they didn't carry through with it? Like what label was it do you can you get into that? Yeah, basically like the guy that So when I said we started getting our traction, you know, I'm saying our looks it was basically a guy that came in and just Took us from what we was doing to The label situation, but he was like kind of in the middle of that We don't really understand contracts. Yeah, you know, I'm saying yeah, I really understand the full business side everything. So We just kind of end up getting finessed, you know And that and that's a Dries as well. Yeah, all of us. All of y'all how many was five y'all the same boat Dries was the artist. It was another artist Katie. Okay And then it was like, you know producers and engineers, but we was all kind of like Wow team, you know, wow So when you think about just the NBA young boy thing, we didn't get to that We got to get to where how he ended up after you came back to Chicago Yeah Being up You was determined you's like either, you know, and I'm gonna say that I gotta say that cuz this is a segue Right here. I talk about this book. I was reading where the man had a 5,000 men on the ship and he was going up against a city with where it was the army They was going up against had like 25 30,000 men and when the ships got there and they let you know got to land and got Ready to fight that everybody got off the ship and they look back and all of the ships was burning They burn them and they said either we win or we die. That's how that's the intensity that you had, right? So you definitely went back Messed up or not, you know, I'm saying I was just like I gotta figure it out This ain't really go how I wanted to go. So now what? and even going back to you know, I'm saying the whole We was just a middle illness and all that. Yeah, it's just like I Was walking around for like really like a whole year with just a big Chip on my shoulder for how that went. Oh It just took you some time to get through this stand, you know what I'm saying. Yeah to the point to where I'm walking in rooms like bringing The energy that I don't want, you know what I'm saying. Yeah. Yeah, just because it's like I I'm not finna let nobody else. You know, I'm saying cuz you had engaged Really, it was more so myself to like and for gay. I really kind of had a lot of Anger towards the person that it came from but at the end of the day, it's like I really wasn't smart about how I did this Correct, you know, I'm saying and I really should have just kind of been on my business a little better But see when I say I hadn't you hadn't forgave you hadn't forgave the person or yourself or myself You see what I'm saying because the book I really say you ought to love your neighbor's you love yourself But how can you love your neighbor if you don't love yourself, right? So you have to have something to where you can love yourself and understand that you gonna make these different situations But you got to have a clean say you got to let it go, you know, I'm saying it wasn't personal You know, I'm saying just coming to that realization like a lot of this stuff Don't be personal like everybody doing what's best for them at the end of the day. Wow, so Okay, so Again, let's talk about this NBA young boy. How you oh, yeah, so I'm Yeah, so basically I wasn't coming back to Chicago like in a In no other position, but Elevated, you know, I'm staying out there. I'll just mean people Maneuvering, you know, I'm saying I end up having to leave the The The house that the label was putting us in so it's like I I'm really out here on my own I end up meeting Another artist Simba Okay, he going up right now to Simba. Yeah, and he was in LA yeah me and him end up locking in Working, you know, I'm saying and I Think like six seven months we end up getting a deal with Columbia Wow So it's like I now stuff kind of looking up a little bit I got that kind of weight off me really before we was able to do that. I had to get that off me first to even be in position to Bring good energy towards situation. So we figured that out and then I was just out there moving around going to different labels You know, I'm saying playing beats and doing writing sessions Then I end up linking up with Atlantic APG And they had a young boy and he had I was going in there doing writing sessions and then They have started a verse to untouchable, but he ain't finished it. He ended up getting locked up And then when he got out that was like the first song he wanted to get to like wow Like I really want to finish that song and put it out And then when he put it out it just went up instantly like wow like 12 million on YouTube the first night the first night This was after probably double A I interviewed double A. He's a producer as well Actually the Grammy Award winning producer and he he talked about his encounters with with NBA young boy How when he first, you know, they first linked up and they did a whole thing where you had like nine songs on there I think that was a early come up as well Like yours was more of when he had established himself on the label, right? I think this was like I think untouchable was like is Coming out song like I he had a big He had like a big buzz, but I think that's like the song that's like kind of put them Over the top to where we all know what's going on How did he just got out of jail? So it just made the whole situation it made it go harder How did how did you end up picking the beat that you produced? Really, I make that beat for thug young thug. Okay. So you had a relationship with young thug as well with Producers, okay, what is the producing team? I end up going to child's studio in LA. I Played the form, but it was like a lot going on in the studio, you know, yeah So he didn't get to feel it like that. You know sound like I'm gasped up thinking like I'm I Know in my mind once he hit is is over But he like I turn on so I played it I'm like sitting back looking for the reaction, but he walking around moving in and out the studio like He ain't really in here what you get here So he came in he came back in the studio. All right, that's hard put on another So he next war I played the next one he It's hard go in and record it. So I'm like, I bet So then so he used one Mm-hmm. I think we did like a couple that night, but did he have did it ever come out? See, that's what be I'd be tripping off of him on because they have so much going on these you be having so much music It's like when they come down to pick for the album they picking through like hundreds of songs You know I'm saying but you the good thing is y'all had a face off that you was there in there with him How was his energy back then his energy back then like like for us, you know, you know, he'd been locked up for a while now But how was it was this? How far this had to be a while back? Yeah, this was in 2017 2017 but they was on fire back then that nigga was doing some songs man Him and tip had some to him and ti had a burner back then you didn't that time I know exactly when you talking about it was going crazy back then man Man so you felt good about it And so you had to have a good feeling about Coming from Chicago and then making the moves in the ground that she was making during that time for sure You had to be proud of yourself. How did you how did your people feel about it here? Like they were hearing things at this point Yeah, my people as far as like my homie. Yeah, I hope everybody know stuff with me Yeah, everybody was kind of happy and waiting to see what was gonna happen happen. Yeah With my folks. I still more so was trying to You got big you got big dreams. Don't you got you like I ain't thinking about this I got I was but I was just trying to must approve myself to them like that. I was doing the right thing You know, I'm saying that's all it is all decision was concrete because How many people just? Making it, you know, I'm saying yeah versus how many people Being a basement rapper. That's right. That's right. So it's like alright. I'm Move I'm taking the chance. I'm moving to LA. I don't live in Florida. I don't live to Virginia I didn't you know, I'm saying did all these things that's taking me away from my family and my You know, I'm saying to people I love So it's like I'm knowing they kind of looking like like You know, I'm saying as you show about this, you know what you're doing like So I was more so just ready to prove to them like I I got some concrete to Show y'all like it was worth it So when you when you okay now this bit of sweet moment happens you you the better part was when a young thug I just passed this don't beat that you had put your ear. Yo, yo, yo, you you put that blurs Snap on it. Yeah, but it's not for you. Yeah, I suppose it rocked his nigga. You know And it didn't rock him. So you get through with that. Okay, but then you boom you you now get to NBA young boy like And then he picked this beat Yeah, like like how did he end up picking this beat? Um There's somebody I want to say through the through the a or not Jeff. I got a good relationship with Jeff Jeff on okay, he was at APG at the time, but he was even reaching out like Okay, he was even reaching out before We moved to LA like when we were still in Wow in Chicago Me and Dries was working. He used to just be sending me emails like I like what you doing just being cool Send me some beats Yeah, I remember that I need to hit him up and just let him know that I appreciate it But he used to always hit me up before I even know who he was So when I finally got to LA he used to tell me come to the studio Wow, he liked your sound. Yeah So which camera I'm on Jeff you know all of I appreciate Man, that's dope man like so He gets this beat to to NBA young boy. Yeah, NBA young boy pick the beat Do you ever talk to NBA young boy anything you just cuz this music thing is crazy No, not at that time. He had recorded it before we met. I didn't even know he had to be you even know How did you find when did you know so Jeff hit me up like yo? It's this guy and be a young boy. He got a you knew he was I Heard of him, but he wasn't like he wouldn't be a young boy like he was still buzzing for sure But he wasn't like how he is now So I was kind of like just you know, I heard him. I looked him up But he was like, um, yeah, you know, he really loves one of these songs He's getting out of jail. He's telling me soon as he get out. He want to finish recording it put it out So I'm like, I ain't back. You know, let's do it. I looked him up. He had like He had some good Traction. Yeah traction for sure. Mm-hmm. So I'm like, hi, I'm with it You know, I'm saying but I know it was gonna do what he did. Yeah, I ain't gonna cap and say I knew it was just gonna Go over crazy like they did like 12 million like the first night On you that was in what was it called in Untouchable untouchable Scarface got under I'm opening something untouchable. Yeah, okay So, um, that's dope man to even be to see that kind of success What was your reaction when you first seen it go up like that because you it's all of my homies, um, I am And then we just kind of watching it When it first drop first we was just gasped off like Soon as the video came on he on FaceTime with me. So it's like wow, that's hard So we got a meek male. We got young boys. It's like cool So then we just steady going back to it each hour. It's like jumping jumping jumping jumping So it busted him I'm like, hey, you know, I'm saying I ain't checked it again. I think it was like two three million I'm never I don't know what they got going on I'm with it. You know, I'm saying I'm thinking end up doing like 12 million that night. That's crazy, man It was off the hype of him getting out. It was off the song. It was like, you know, I'm saying the video It just all came together the right way. Have any other Anybody else that you work with Had it definitely wasn't on that level, right? That that 12 million in one day That's That's probably that's Man, that was the fastest. He doing it now crazy with it Yeah, you just was at the tip of the first when it first took off like that But anybody else that you like even do like a million or two million like who sticks out to you Like we just went go to on the 31st with Queen Niger. Okay, Queen Niger. Okay never 31st Yeah, like a couple days couple days ago. That's Halloween. The album just got certified gold. That's hard, man That's hard you you now and got your groove like you you kind of feel like okay This one might do good. Okay. Do you kind of feel something now? I already I already was on Queen Niger for sure. Okay And then that was Jeff again the same again boy You know you ain't man this damn Jeff me and him might need I need to get him an interview him This is no he no music. Yeah, that was Jeff again. He plugged me on because that's when he went to capital and she was at capital and I Was like going through something in a whole time like That whole year was just crazy and I I'm thinking about this story the whole year was just crazy and I was just getting out of like a crazy relationship And I just had saw myself like Like dang I ain't been you know I'm saying doing I'm supposed to been doing I'm tripping like I really just had to talk to myself Like I'm tripping. I talked to my homie name like Yeah, I'm tripping. I need to just Push this to the side and just get back what I'm supposed to do so I Just end up this was all in one day. Well, we had that conversation I ended up just going through my phone just looking at my contents. So I'm like I I start hitting up and ours And I came across Jeff name. I knew he always rocked with me so I Just hit him up like what's up? You know I'm saying You got any artists you need anything for? Hey, oh, yeah, what's up, man? I'm glad you called me Queen I just working on the album right now. I need some ASAP sent the beats He picked one. He's like, I think she'll love this one Same night, so he sent them to her. He's I think she'll love it and then like I think like three days three days later We had a reference Couple days later she cut it So it was just like she took that thing Yeah, and how did you like this? Oh, I just had to like it's like Blocking out Negativity is a big part of the creative process and even just knowing what you got to do and just being on track like Blocking out the outside world and just saw the no negativity. It's like it's important. I want to ask you about like many fresh Timberland the old cats Kanye West like Who else man, let me keep going Because that's like Like what what what who was the driving factor for you? What what pushed you? All right, so I came up on Many fresh what he was doing with the high beast but be small wasn't it? Lil Wayne juvenile BG high boys. I was like that was like I Like this so you was in the cash money. That was your that was your go-to like to say these boys This man and fresh is something different It was Wayne and and it was the the rappers, but it was more so the sound like I was just kind of intrigued by like the Beats, yeah many fresh one crazy then it went to like Timberland But when Kanye came out that's that basically was that was like 0304. Yeah You you don't even understand like all this stuff you telling me about is things that I really understand that this music thing is so Dope because it changed the mood of everything You when you were phasing when I asked you that question is because you have to be in a certain place to be able to Adapt and accept and push out you see what I'm saying you ain't just you ain't just out here making beats It don't work like that. No, it's some things happening with you mentally Definitely That's like, okay, that's why this happened and that's what I'm asking That's why when I named those of those for rails and those of Kanye's and Timberlands and many friends and who else that man I gotta say mr. Lee. You don't even know it mr. Lee met me at Mr. Lee did blue lace I always throw him in there because he get forgot a lot of time. He got 31 plaques man He's a platinum producing a guru when he come down to the south So, you know them guys man you they just on a whole another level, bro And and you as a young man 30 something, right? You you in this whole mode, right? You watched this you seen this you had to look at these things and say I want to push mine on this level You know what I mean not the sound but the level But like I was saying many fresh and Timberland and um, that was more sort of sound I was intrigued with the sound but when Kanye came out that was like How he came out It just made you feel like oh, yeah, I could do this, you know, I'm saying from your city from my city He from the same area, wow, you know what I'm saying and just his whole approach to just like Not being told no and just like Whoever didn't see his vision. It's like, all right. That's cool But that ain't really stopping what I got going on and just I'm doing it my own way A different way than people used to you know what I'm saying? Yeah, I'm coming out pink polo shirts. Yeah Bowie backpacks is like people were still you know, I'm saying what you see things hard around there. So he like I'm coming out doing me like and I'm and I'm taking it To the highest level I could take it as he did and he believed it And it don't matter who else ain't believe it. It's like he believed it so strong Yeah, man, you look at it and just relate like Like I could you know, I feel the same way about what I got going on. You know what I'm saying But that was just the person that let you know how you could push it through that Kanye is something different, bro Okay, still to this day that you go back and listen to jesus walk and all these different songs that this man did Spiritualism was always there people try to count that out, but they can't Basically, he always talked like that. He always rapped like that. He always stood on that But then people today say hey, he's crazy No, you crazy because you don't know the history of Kanye because if you look at the history of where he came from He was doing that stuff early on He just did on another level when he got to be as he grew and it just pretty much was just to me Just you seeing what was produced out of who he is as he became the man he is today I really I know that so I'm a big Kanye fan period point blank I'm I'm with it the Yeezys the clothing all that stuff wrapped up in a bow. Kanye is dope, bro And and that's why I'd be up here in Chicago because I know the nigga real, you know Like far as the way he put it down I rock with him and in a whole another level a whole another way, bro So so you say y'all from the same area like did you Meet the dude, yeah, how was that now see I ain't no it was short It was it wasn't like all right, we just was locked in but it was just real short And it was just like, you know, I'm saying I didn't really get a chance to tell him it inspired you But yeah, it was just it was cool. It was short. Did he see I actually got the The college dropout you tattooed on me just because I had inspiration or what it's fucking like, you know I'm saying that really is the reason that I'm even I yeah, I say that that's probably the reason I'm I took it over serious because I really believed I could which I got that from that album. Wow That's crazy, man. That's that's that's heavy though, bro The fact that you know, god give you these things you push them in there so that you can keep going, right? Because back then it wasn't a lot of people just out. It probably was like common Yeah, come was out and kind of it was like breaking through twister was out You know, I'm saying what happened a lot of people that was like, oh, yeah Just do this do this do this and then this how you make it it was like it was like kind of far fetched still You know, I'm saying why the more conscious boys that old chance and common it was conscious It was that was a thing for a minute. Everybody was really trying to do right We need them boys back without some of the stuff I'm hearing out here We need them boys to get back in that booth, man and really push hard to to to get some some type of Equilibrium into the game man because these guys offset now You know, I'm saying the drill music kind of wiped things away a little bit didn't it They stopped doing it as much as I got my ears to the streets like that. I feel like it's All music is out here. It's just certain shit get pushed to the forefront. Okay for like a specific agenda I feel like, you know, I'm saying when you seen the drill music come you had did you you had to produce? Yeah, like you figured it out. I mean Drizzy we all came out of that like Even though we was kind of doing stuff our own way, it was still influenced by what was going on what was going on Wow, y'all changed the world with that. You see that everywhere. Everybody try to mimic what Chicago did in that drill movie And one thing about ill always get ill his flowers because He made a sound that's like still getting mimic to this day with the whole the actual Sound of the drill be yeah. Yeah in that pattern it's like These people that took that to new york drill uk drill african drill like he really started a sound that was like lived on pass What we thought it was gonna be, you know, I'm saying wow, so so Man, i'm just happy that that we got to sit down with you, man. Um top three producers of all time did all life Top three only three Quincy Jones. Okay Dr. Jay, man Kanye, that's a that's a that's hard right there. That's hard man Like uh, so how can people get a hold of you if they trying to reach out and link up with you? He works exclusive everything um instagram twitter um I don't got no facebook no more man. I'm still on facebook y'all y'all hit me up e But no man shout out to black and cc and dallas man. Shout out for sure. Yeah, there you go. Come on now They set us up. They set us up man. Like I got crazy love for cc Yeah, black cuz he take care of cc. That's how I like me Cc was was with me when we was starting everything like cc was in the She was the one like helping us Push helping us how energy was on another level cc make you feel like you could do anything Our energy was on another level. That's my girl. Whatever you think about you can do it like what's up Let's see how to figure it out. I love cc for that man. She's like It's like certain people you would get around And then I kind of make you feel like I don't know, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, let's take like And then certain people it's like Sky, it's like what's up. Let's get you let's get it motivation. That's cc for sure Wow, man. Thank you so much for coming on the show man. I hope we covered everything I hope this ain't the last time we sit down you coming to Dallas. You're gonna come to my spot Yeah, whenever you come you pull up you like he on here, man, let's get it in I'm gonna show you some love man for show man. Appreciate y'all man. Come on man. These brooks you family now man That's how I go down. That's how quick it can happen, man You never know what god is doing man. So you just got to keep yourself open the way so he can guide you I'll say that man. So man. Thank you so much for coming on the show, bro It's been another great segment a boss talk on a one what a boss is talking and we out