 वेँडादी करडा। काईमादा, काईमादा? वो जादे ताग़्याई। आपी गुई। अपना पूँची यहे, कलके मीटिंके बाद यह आप लगने करने तुष्ट मैं लेजा कोनी क्षान कि अप खेल बगर गर साँए, बगर कि मुझे क्मने गषाए खोल्गा तुष्ट मैं... अब बाद यह वही छी थी की अब उस टाएं भी हो रहे थे कि रोड मैप की जोगते है, यह 2011 की बाते है. तो हम सम्हाँ the other, we have gotten into the history of this story. तो 2011 से 2019 तक हम पूँच गये हैं. और बेसेखली अभी भी हम वही गये हैं की, इंtegrated, unified या जो भी आप नाम ले लें, उस लीग को बनाने का, और इस लीग को बड़ा करने का क्या प्लान है? And all these clubs have been saying all along, not all they have been saying, but one of the major things they have been saying is that we need to know how do you otherwise allocate resources, allocate money, allocate people, what do you plan for? Are you playing champions league football or are you playing state league football? You will make the team on the same basis, you will do everything on the same basis. And as far as the player base is concerned and competition and all, I mean those things take time to also develop here. The Spanish league is hardly competitive, the top, the bottom 10 teams in the Spanish league have no chance of being made anywhere to the top. And what is the value of the Spanish league? If you take out Real Madrid and Barcelona, would anyone ever watch it? I still don't watch Real Madrid and Barcelona. You might not watch it but you are tens of thousands of kilometers away from Spain. The point is in those cities, in those places people are coming to the stadium, they are following their teams, they are watching the football. It's not only about a worldwide television audience, I don't know why that's become the focal point of, I mean we are talking about really basic grass-roots level football. This television product, till the time it's going to be made, that is also far away. We are matching at the same time, when the Premier League is going on or the French league, the Spanish league is going on. I think the point should be to encourage people to go to the stadium and engage with the clubs. I will talk about your Spanish league. There is a good friend of ours, even you know him, Anuj, who is working with a club in Spain called Jatiwa, right? Now he has first-hand knowledge of what's happening there because he's bought a club there and you know, he's seeing players and how they groomed. Sir, if India has for example 20, I'm just giving us 20 players, top level 20 players, then in that aspect Spain has about 60. You get my point? 60 competitive top, 60 top competitive players, I'm just giving random numbers just to sort of put it into perspective. I think as a whole, we are not developed. We don't have enough footballers to play top level football, right? So you don't want a scenario to arise. My point is you don't want a scenario to arise where say you made a 20 team league and then comes a team which is ranked, 20th is playing team which is ranked first and that team is thumping in 8-9 goals. Why not? Why? Why do you need a system like that? It happens in every league, all over. Not 8-9 goals. We don't want to say somebody has an off-day. What are you saying? Somebody has an off-day. And in fact on this point, I would like to say also that you look at the stories that you had emerging from the I-league. Where clubs from small towns, small market clubs, right? Which don't have the ability to raise massive amounts of sponsorship money whether it's Aizol or Minerva or whoever, right? Going through, beating the big guys, beating the East Bengals and the Mon Bagans and winning the league. That's also the flip side. I mean if you look at the stories that have just emerged out of the I-league versus the ISL where theoretically it's a more level playing field. Although I don't at all agree that I mean if everything is a level playing field then where is the... It's not going to be. Sir, but if you're in a market where you're still running a sport which is not that popular in this country like we know that it's not very popular in this country as far as Indian football is concerned or even I think there's a sort of false perception that European football is very popular in this country. If you look at the whole dynamics of our country it's a very small market still. Right? My point is, sir, if you have a league in that market where you want people to come in at the end of the day a league prosper when you have more people coming in more fans are being built and so on and so forth for that it is very important that you have a comparative nature and you have a comparative game once they're out and they're in the middle. Right? I think the point is not for the league to prosper I think the point is for overall the game to prosper for the game to prosper Sir, if your league prosper your game will prosper, right? Yeah, yeah, but then I mean the only way the league can prosper is if it becomes more inclusive if you shut it down I don't think that's the way to... I'm not saying shut it down I'm saying like right now you have 10 realistically I think you can move to 14 or 16 that also after a while not right now See, we also know in the first 10 years of the ISL nothing will change maybe one team will come two teams will come inside okay whatever has to happen unified league whatever you are saying will not happen before 10 years so if you have a 3 year window then in those 3 years say that at the end of year 10 and start of year 11 we are going to start with a 15 or 16 team league or a 14 team league to be realistic right? and here are these 4 clubs that we are earmarking we are marking as saying you be ready by then we are giving you 3 years of time and be ready for it and then slowly you can think of going forward you can't straight away say that start with 20 team league it won't happen it has to be a gradual process eventually the end game has to be a 20 team league no one is denying that eventually the end game has to be a 20 team league how much time that will take you can't really take a call on it right now but what you can take a call on is that in the next 3 years 14 16 sorry to cut you off I agree completely and I think we are on the same page might not be possible today but going forward it definitely is a workable plan this is the AIFF strategic plan for 2019 to 22 which was from where did you steal it? I didn't steal it when we had gone to the press conference introducing Ego's team arch and Isaac they launched it at that time and gave it to us very kindly to share what the ideas are on development so of course there is a lot of good stuff a lot of interesting stuff but since we are talking specifically about the league structure there is a section on competition oriented development which is essentially what we are talking about how people get more competitive games and structure from the grass roots down so for you let me ask you what have been the highlights in terms of grass roots level work that has gone in and what do you think the AIFF is doing well? I think the baby league is a major positive man and you know and sometimes we get lost in the context of development of Indian football we keep thinking about the above whereas the reality is the baby league this is the real development of Indian football this is the short term development the ISLI league the baby league will prepare your real players 10 years ahead and then your talent pool will increase talent pool will increase more players will come into the frame more clubs will come into the frame clubs will get a lot more competitive and that's how it will develop so baby league is a major plus fair enough and the numbers are really encouraging I mean of course a lot of it is projections based on the end of I mean in 2022 where we will reach but already if we are seeing in the baby leagues 30,000 or 20,000 or 30,000 children are playing which is commendable man it's pretty good progress and you can see it everywhere if you look at any of your Facebook, Instagram or whatever all over the country whether it's in the northeast or wherever young kids playing football everywhere so that stuff is happening the issue comes as you go up the pyramid like you said this is the principle of life as you go up the pyramid issues start there because there is a business there is money but now this is how it is I guess I know I know it I was just trying to be poetic philosophical philosophically speaking these guys have avoided the subject altogether as far as what's going to happen with the leagues so if that is the strategy of the all India football federation because they are still not decided that would be the dumbest they can't make a decision that would be the dumbest they are making a decision of course there is a severe I don't know decision has not been taken yet that's why the car has reached here decision has been taken yesterday's statement was very clear it was written that in the last few years the development of the league the number of ISL is better the television audience is better all the national team players are coming from ISL and given all these factors the all India football federation is going to talk to the AFC and say please give them the champions league spot which means the decision has been taken but honestly speaking this Champions League and this AFC Cup I don't understand not from the point that your top league gets champions league and the league below that of federation cup the super cup winners get AFC cup if I am an Indian club as an Indian club I did something in Asia was when Bengaluru went all the way to the final which was in the earlier format of the AFC cup right if I am an Indian club and my soul aim is to play in Asia and to play amongst the best in Asia after which I can show or sponsor look I am playing amongst the best teams in Asia I am getting TV coverage and I am being covered by AFC level competitions realistically I would want to play AFC cup sir in Champions League in any case a qualification spot which they lose the playoff and they come to the AFC cup anyway why do I would I would much rather be in the AFC cup because I have a chance of atleast qualifying out of the group there I have a chance of making the knock out other quarter finals semi finals and so on now look at what Bengaluru did do you remember how much people are talking about that Bengaluru run in the final of the AFC cup it was huge man winning an ISL low amount of winning an i-league gets you that kind of coverage because they were touching everyone I am agreeing with all of these things but if you look at the last time I think Bangalore in the final and I may be wrong on this but at least one of the times they were in the final they lost to the Iraq Air Force club so this whole conversation so much is centred around who owns the league and who will basically control the $20 market then who will control all that cash money the point about football is that you can have a club from Iraq where infrastructure is what it is and the money situation is what it is and the economy is what it is that is going on to win the competition that we are still trying to get to the final of our car is the same sir reality is that we are not the same developed we are the same developed we are the same developed but the point is to leave ego where the conversation is not going to return because when you go to the table you will not get everything so you will say I demand 7 things and if I get 3 and if I get 3 then I will have to make adjustments but the car is not reaching yet because what is going on you are villain i am right they are saying you are villain और उस में हो क्या रहे है, कि प्लेर्स को कितने मैच मिल रहे है आप आप प्रैक्तिस में जितना रोनल दीन्यो बन लो, पर अगर आप गेम सिट्वेशन में कुछ करनी पारे हो, आप गेमी नी खेल रहो, आप कम गेम खेल रहो, तो मप्लब प्राविष्मा कि आप अपके सामने जो अपप्रोनण्णत है, तो था फिरती गेम सीजन खेल रहे है, आप याफ याप आप आप आप आप आप आप आप सतरा भीस अगर आप सूनील छेत्री हो, तो आप पच्छचस खेल रहो. तो या ब्रश्ँेँ प्यर उसलो खाय्तां, तो इसे ख़िद रईगागावार थे। उआद चार देखाण के रहा नतार। अंधविर एक तो सरग बुची थो प्रउज्द करटाँझा। प्रउछो तो ज्यों देखान जे प्रउचे च़्ीट है। असे उरवाट कहा हो तूब अलेजा। थो आपं पुटबल चलारें आप आपको ये दिखनी रहां कि आप भी सपृत मैं कितना पृीश लेई स्थेश में अप अप वी गे लगागा रहा है कि। सो Alexandria will be the best possible avenue so many kids are now playing football in India right now get to have a professional career, play the sport and make a decent living then you can't really hold it against them empirically they cannot even get into the conversation because thats how this thing there बसा्तीन दिया कि ज्यों आप्वावाश की कुगा! अगर आप काफी इंक्लुज़व भी होजाव जो बड़े क्लबज हैं जिनके पान इन्ट्डिया आमबिशनज यह जो भी एजो नश्चनल लेवल पे खेलना जाते हैं वो दिने जाता है नी तो अगर आप वो स्लुषिन निकालना है तो अच्छा समय है अभी अच्छा समय है यह मैं एक यह वो समयी था। बनिष्ट बनिप्रत लिए बाई बहीं वहाई आप जो समय मैं च्छा समय ख़ी ने आप यह वी प्रटी में वहना नहीं ग़े ग़े तो थी वो समय है वी बड़म विंटेन यह फुबड़ावड़ वो लेवल दोप लिबट तो बेटमिंट तो बिन्द्रीन फुट बाल इंच्छ वो भी येट मैं ये बस करो ये कोट जारे हो अब मैं ये ख्लासा कर रहा हो अब आप मेरे उपर ये फाँईं डाल रहो आप मैं आप वी उपर ये करोंगा सर आप मैं आप मैं अपना अपना अपना इस्ताची ये एंवें ये तोड़ा दिप्रसें कुर्मसेशन हो गया तो तु फिक्स तिंस आप सोग ग्रेट फिल्म दे आदे दे ये जेगे डार इस खाल सुदानी फुट नाइजेरिया आप फुट ये ये वान लिए माऱ्ालम फुल्म लग़् मरदे ग़ी तारीतिल क्या अखिर आप पहला मुझी दूड़ बाल मैं छोक बका आप जबिक्र शाभगे डेखा आप मैं सोद ब्रुप आप फुट आप रडरुएण तब वोगात्टा کے कहा तब लगात्टा लगाता तब लगाता है यह था तब पहला का तब बचान सकता। तब वो एक वलाक atlea tup bhaat और नहीं धाना लिग आतुगो। लिग आता तब खॉएक लिग लिग थाता। जीअद और वो आच्टाना प्रबग़ाता प्रबग़ादा है। आप वम प्रबग़ाता िो वन वो जीग वर ना करता है। या, बट्या है, आप लिजा? नह से थो जा में ही अपने है? वईचाद चैनली है, கाच़ा कादा, एक ठा है