 Hello and welcome to a very non-controversial e-fab. Hello everybody. Star Wars is bad. We're uh... gonna be doing two... But who better to guess the theo for what we do hyper-hot takes? Because we're gonna be pissing off two significant portions of audience here. One that likes Revenge of the Sith and the other that really likes Red Letter Media. Even though you're gonna struggle to find people who like Red Letter Media more than me and Rags. Yeah, I love Red Letter Media. They're one of my favorite... Maybe my favorite channels? Yeah, I really do enjoy watching their stuff. I constantly play it in the background, re-listen to it. Incredible amount of respect for all the work they do in the crew over there. Very enjoyable. And good old Plinkett would have been very much a inspiration. And I fucking loved his prequel videos back when they came out. Though we're here today... Back when they came out? What do you mean? We're here today to discover how well they hold up because I don't want to make any promises. And when I say they, I mean the Revenge of the Sith one because we ain't going through all of them. Because this is the end of the prequel arc that we started like a year and a half ago or whatever. I don't even remember anymore. This this was an intended video and has been for ages. We just haven't quite found the right slot. But episode 166 seems about right for no particular reason. That doesn't... I feel like you're not being entirely honest there. What? No particular reason, really. What do you mean? No particular reason. So anyway, like the the idea here is that we're gonna give the audience vitally our take on Revenge of the Sith beyond saying... I think we've only told them that we thought it was... We'd give it a bad and a probable four out of ten. Yeah, we had a... Yeah, we'd watched it last I think in preparation for a supposed trio discussion and then that got sidetracked by a million gajillion things. I think this was gonna happen. What we're doing right now is gonna happen all the way back then. But yeah, we got... Like I said, we planned it this way from the beginning, but we wanted to make sure that we watched it again just to be safe, just to make sure we were up to date on this 20-year-old movie. And so we watched it. We watched it the other day. And we loved it. Yeah, let's go left, right, quick. What's the conclusion on Revenge of the Sith? I really like it. You go first. It's sad. Yeah, I really like it, but I think it's bad. But I do think it's the best of the prequels. And I do think that there were... That is a film that could be salvaged. It would take a lot of work, but with what's in there, it could be salvaged and turned into something great, which is not something I would say for sequel trilogy. You just gotta ditch that and try again. But yeah, I like Revenge of the Sith. So it's a fun movie. For me, it's easily the favorite of the prequels. It'll be, I guess, my fourth favorite Star Wars movie. Yeah. I guess. I need to think about that. Then, yeah. What would the contender be? Rogue One, I guess. Maybe Rogue One. Maybe I like it more than... No, I don't think I like it more than Return of the Jedi. I'm trying to think, could that be argued? I don't think... Not so for me. I'm trying to think of... There's nothing else is there. The other rest of them just absolutely ass. Because I was actually going to say, it's so clear to me the quality chasm between the sequels and the prequels, like it would be unfair to categorize them in any kind of similar way. They are such different beasts, and as far as I'm concerned, the prequels show off a lot of potential. And they even execute some stuff pretty okay to good. And hopefully we'll be able to cover some of that too. But yes, I agree. I like Revenge of the Sith. It bad. Rags, what do you think? Oh my goodness. Well, I guess I'm not going to be breaking with tradition here, but it's kind of the same for me. Revenge of the Sith is probably my fourth favorite Star Wars movie. But it's not good. Not good. It is. It's not a good movie, but there are good things in it. And I really appreciate it in a way that I appreciate the Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones, though to lesser degrees. There are things that I really do like about Revenge of the Sith, but man, a lot of issues, a lot of problems. And the more and more I watch it, the more and more the problems seem to pop up. And the less and less I like the list of things that I like about Revenge of the Sith, it is not a constantly expanding list. All the good things I just sort of know that I like. But the list of things that don't quite work and that are shaky, that list has, especially after this recent viewing a day or so ago, that list has expanded and it has gotten a little bit bigger. And it's a shame. But yeah, it's the best of the prequels, but it ain't good. But I do like it. And it's way better than the sequels. Easy. Wait, and what about you, Thea? More or less along similar lines. It's the closest thing to an actual film in the PT. It's not good, not at all. But there was an attempt, I guess. Like it is easily the best of them. But that is not, that doesn't say much. And it still bears the scars of being attached to them. Yeah, you sort of, when it was completed, you nodded it like, all right. Which is a high that we'll never get. It's still won't ever again. Maybe with Booker Boba Fett. All right. That's the one. It'll be great, guys. It'll have very, it'll have very cool. I'll have two action scenes per episode at least at the first act break and at the end. Cameos everywhere. I'm sure Jabba the Hutt's cousin is gonna fuck him up. Steve, things that you've seen before, little gadgets and gizmos and places. You'll have many, many references. Seismic charge. Oh, I need another one of them in my life. Do you remember that clip we had from when we were covering it, that other channel, that when it blows up, they all go, oh, oh, oh. That's the thing it was supposed to do. That guy's a sound effect. Jesus Christ. That's what we're at. How embarrassing. It is. I collect a couple of those clips for this eventual Mandalorian review that I still have. And man, people, I don't want to say man children. But it enters into my mind. You don't want to say it because there's some women that are involved too. I'm sure there are. I'm sure they're like, oh, yeah, I want that. I want a sonic bomb to go off and just, yeah, all right. They're out there, I'm sure. My jam's seismic charges, man. That's just kind of why I watch Star Wars at all. For the seismic charges. I think you guys would say on that. Where would Star Wars be without seismic charges? I feel like we might have gotten the sequels. And how sad would that be? It is odd, though, that they are called seismic charges when they use them in space. Maybe because they. Is seismic like a kind of because I guess I just I associate size like seismograph, you know, like we don't have to continue this tangent. It was really only running for you. Like it was up to you, right? You know, that's fine. I don't even want it. So anyway, that leads us to we're going to we're going to talk for about oh, so long and just a bit of a, you know, what do we think of Avengers? I think more detail then we're going to watch Plinkett's coverage of it. To join us. Oh, my goodness. Wonderful adventure. Plinkett. Yeah, he's the he's the red letter media guy. He is. Oh, my goodness. Um, so yeah, I don't know how format wise. I guess we should we just go chronologically in the film and try and point out what we think is is working and what we think isn't working. Well, that's really cool. Oh, you've skipped past the opening crawl. Oh, right. Yeah. War. Yes. That's right. War. It's no the dead speak, but. Yeah. And I guess because of the idea that you've moved from attack of the clones of the war started right at the end of that film. Now it's just like confirming it's like, yeah, there's war. And you're like, okay. Oh, there are heroes on both sides. Uh-oh. You're not allowed to say that is. Yeah. Is the idea with that line that, um, I don't know, it's just that there's there's respectful people doing the right thing on both sides or something. My my interpretation of it or my understanding of it, I guess it's always been that it means that like there have been dramatic feats performed by like certain individuals on either side, as opposed to any like moral endorsement. Oh, I figured it was more moral. Like it was trying to say that it isn't clear exactly who the strict villains are at this point. Or at least it was a nod to that concept that isn't really explored at all. I think it's sad that we don't explore that more, that we don't have more separatists arguing like, no, the Republic are evil. For my point of view, the Republic are evil. Oh my goodness. Let's put that movie that way. Because it's not really realized in the films at all. Yeah. Um, but it's weird that line comes right after Ruthless attacks from the Sith Lord Count Dooku. It's like, is he considered a hero? Maybe. I don't know. Evil. Those are the evil is everywhere, which I guess is true with Palpatine being on both sides. Like, all right. Yeah, I guess. Maybe Palpatine was the hero on both sides. Maybe he was. In a stunning move. Is that Fiendish? Sorry, my VLC. There we go. Fiendish droid leader General Grievous has swept into the Republic Capitol to kidnap Chancellor Palpatine, leader of the Galactic Senate, which presumably is all a part of Palpatine's plans. You'd think. People are going to be like, well, if you watch the Clone Wars, you'd be like, no. No. No, first off, no. We're going, yeah. This story has to stand on its own, or at least stand with the prequels, and we're going to just judge it based on the information it's given us. I think that's a fair inference. The fact that it's just confirmed to be true by the Clone Wars is not actually relevant to this conversation. That's fine. The, yeah, the idea being then that the separatist army sort of just flimped into the Carson airspace slash space space. Yeah, hyper flimped. And then went down real quick, grabbed Palpatism and went back up. And then the Republic ships, like, emergency arrive as well. Because it says, as the droid army attempts to flee, to Jedi Knights lead a desperate mission to rescue the captive Chancellor. It's like, okay. Hey. So like, as title crawls go, it's fine. Fine. I'm all right with that. I understand the situation, though. When we see the nature of the battle happening, it does make you wonder what the fuck the Republic ships. Whatever. What is everyone doing? Like, why is everybody here so close to Carson? You are so close. Because I'm trying to think, like, logistically, if the separatists show up, they only want to capture Palpatine. Or do they? Does Palpatine want them to float around to be destroyed slash to have Anakin kill Dooku, you know? Yeah, did that require this insane space battle? Is there a worry about what? I mean, I guess, is all this necessary? It feels a little strange. How is it even necessary? And how do you, because I know this is sort of a Star Wars thing. But as is often pointed out, the idea that you just have these capital-sized space warships that are just right next to each other, just blasting away at each other at point blank ranges and this massive confused ball of nonsense. I'm not sure how that happened. Because a new hope, you have literally none of that. The opening thing is the Capture Ship. And then later on, it's a series of X-Wings and a couple of Y-Wings attacking the Death Star. So, like, that's not a new hope. Empire? Well, mostly escaping at the beginning. And then that's it for space battles. And then Return of the Jedi, it's all a trap, right? Like, they try to attack the Death Star and then they get blocked off behind them by Star Destroyers and the Death Stars just lasering them, like a big kill box. So, this whole, like, loads of capital ships right next to each other being a Star Wars thing, maybe that's just a prequel thing? I guess it is. Well, prequel slash. Yeah, as far as we haven't really had it. We haven't had anything like this before. Yes, it's true, yeah. But, like, it's strange. You should be trying to attack people from very much bigger distances, because it's... Yeah, yeah. Or at least explain why this has to happen. How come this sort of thing is the way that it is? Well, and so that's the question. Is it impossible for this to have ended to happen this way? No. No. I guess it's not. It's not impossible. Clearly in the world, it's not impossible. I guess I mean, like, could you conceive a reasonable way that all the ships ended up in the positions they are? Sure, you could. You could orchestrate something like that. This could be a rarity. It could be a... Just an oddity that generally doesn't happen. This could be one for the history books. Fighting like this in this scale above this planet, especially this planet in particular. You'd think that this is the last place that the separatists would send any fleet of theirs would be to just the heart of the Republic over Coruscant. I guess unless they were really planning to blitz the planet, but they don't, they're only here to capture Palpatine. My... The way I've rationalized it in my head has always been that it was a sort of sneak attack type of thing, which is like, it's hard to understand with how Star Wars technology and hyperdrives and all that is, but the way it always worked out in my head was they showed up with the intention of grabbing Palpatine and then questioned Mark, not sure. Maybe they try and take Coruscant, who knows. But then like... I thought you said Coruscant for a moment. Yeah, they try and take the Coruscant. And then it devolves into a panic, of course, because Palpatine's been captured. So that's really bad. And then fleets or ships are just called back from wherever they may have been. And you end up with this big chaotic ball of... Yeah. ...of an esophage. And again, I think we should just good faith assume what must have happened. So for example, my brain is like, wait a minute, if you capture Palpatine and you're fleeing, why aren't you just hyperspacing out? Why isn't the invisible hand being general grievous as a ship just going boom and out of there? So maybe we have to assume that Palpatine slash the Emperor was like, no, once you capture Palpatine, I want you to try and destroy as many republic ships as possible before leaving. If you reach a level of critical loss, then you should escape or something like that. Like whatever decisions are made in this scene, we have to assume that these are things Palpatine wanted and told the separatists to do. Yeah, you'd have to. Especially because this is all part of his plan. In knowing his position, you'd have to assume this was all orchestrated to at least some degree. And Palpatine's plan is very much a big, like, hmm, with the three prequels. There's a lot of decisions he makes. We are like, maybe, maybe that makes it. I'm not sure. Like I think Phantometis has that issue in spades, right? Like try to figure out exactly what the fuck his plans are. Yeah, and even this one to a degree, which is one of the issues that this movie sort of has, is you understand the underlying aspects of Palpatine's involvement and what his plan is. But then when you see things actually playing out, you wonder, how lucky are you going to get? Is this just how it was supposed to happen? Did you plan for any of this? What if things had gone a different way? A lot of risk taking, as for certain, a lot of assumptions about how things might play out. Well, we'll get to a couple more of them once they get onto the ship. But I suppose the next thing would just be, I don't know if we should talk about this now. We should wait until a certain point is made, a certain video. But the, the Warner opening, you know, should we call it now? Should we wait until later in terms of, I think it's really neat. It wasn't too long ago that I was part of a podcast where they said, well, it's not very creative or interesting because it's just EGI. I figure we should just wait until we hear the argument and then we'll respond to it. But for now, I think it's real neat. And we'll talk about exactly why beyond simply saying, ooh, shiny lights and colors. I mean, following that shot, we see Anakin and Obi-Wan working together to fly through this battlefield to save Palpatine. And you just sit there like, man, if only we saw more of this relationship in the movie. Yeah, because I would even go as far as saying the chemistry feels stronger here than ever. It's the first time there's any kind of implication that they do have a relationship in terms of the way it's told to one another as opposed to just being told that they do. The relationship is essentially non-existent in the Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones, they spend a huge amount of that movie removed from one another and a bizarre creative decision on Lucas's part. And then this one, it just, I think from the get-go, there's an understanding that we've got to really kind of try and jumpstart this. Because the nature of the relationship in Attack of the Clones to me felt much more like Anakin says a thing and then Obi-Wan is like, I'm disappointed in you because you made the wrong decision. Yeah, you don't get the idea that they like each other. Yeah, in Revenge of the Sith, you immediately get the sense that they both understand each other's approaches, they both try and work together, and there's a bit of comedy between them it feels as though they may have been doing this for some time. But then you as an audience member are like, I don't remember seeing that, but I guess so, yeah. You can almost be tricked into thinking, oh man, we've come so far with these two. It's like, not really, but... Nah. And again, there'll be people who will be like, well, if you watch The Clone Wars, you'll see plenty of missions with it. They're just like... In the movies. In the movies. Like the chemistry in The Clone Wars is just quipping at one another anyway. That's all it is. Wow, at least we won't piss people off the most in this one. But yeah, trying to make it for a lot of last time, you could feel it. This is the best of the three, but we often say, if you just get rid of the Phantom Menace, just have it not exist, probably start with something else. If The Clone Wars were the first one, and then we have a movie all about the biggest parts of The Clone Wars itself, and then this is the end of The Clone Wars, that seems to make sense, right? That makes more sense to me. Yeah, I would. I'd like that more. We'd get a lot more time with these characters together for starters. Yeah, because you have three movies to develop a relationship, and one of those movies just is not even a part of it, and the second one is a terrible job. So now you've got one other three left, and then your entire premise relies on two relationships being built up. One of them is practically non-existent, this Obi-Wan and Anakin relationship, and then you also have the relationship of Anakin and Padme, which is bizarre and just not at all. One of the worst Hollywood romances ever. I think a lot of people would point to that. This might be being the number one worst Hollywood romance just because of the sheer popularity of it. There's a lot of time spent on those two in The Clone Wars. It's just a horrible dialogue. So much time spent on a relationship that needs to be believable for this story to really work, and they just don't do it. It's like an alien wrote to human beings in a relationship, and they just don't know how to do it. In this weird position where, despite the fact that she's one of the main characters, Padme is a very nothing character. She doesn't have a lot going on that doesn't have anything to do with Anakin, especially in this movie. We say revenge is the best one, but she's probably the least of a character in this one compared to the other three. Probably, yes. The couple cut out of a thing Anakin cares about. Yeah, she's more of a plot device than a character. She exists. Oh my God. She's fridged. She is fridged. Oh my God, that's the worst thing ever. Yeah, it's just because she was like a very stern political leader in, I would argue, both of the first prequels. She had positions, you know, but in this one, she's kind of just there. Yeah. She gets sad and she leads Obi-Wan to Anakin. She also says the thunderous applause line, which I like, but hey. I guess we'll talk more about here as we go along, but yeah, our opening scene, we're just trying to show this is how Anakin and Obi-Wan deal with drama in environments and stuff, and they're very casual but still focused, and it's just pretty chill when we get this Yeah, I can't remember if it was, did they get rockets fired at them after the line from Anakin about like, oh no, the clones? I think so. Ah, I think so, yeah. So yeah, the idea being that one of the clones is like, oh no, they're all over me. And then Anakin's like, I'm gonna help them out. And Obi-Wan's like, no, no, we got a mission. And this is the thing, I don't want to be too harsh to this line, but it's pretty transparent what's happening here from the writer's point of view, I mean, like Anakin cares about people, you know? That's an important thing to remember despite his fall to come, and you're like, yeah, yeah, I mean, sure. And I'm mostly fine with it. I just, it just feels a little bit clunky. Yeah, I think so. A lot of lines feel clunky. I think Phantom Menace is probably the clunkiest of them all when it comes to dialogue. Probably. Because that one really does feel like a straight-up alien wrote it, but this one is, none of them are good. None of them are good. There is a sense of we need to have this thing happen, just say the thing and let's go. Yeah, well, you wonder how much you could save about the prequels if you could, all you could do is alter the dialogue. Every event stays the exact same, but you can just change everyone's speaks. It's like, hmm, I wonder how much you could make. Brian helped it out quite a bit. I feel like it could. Yeah, he probably could, yeah. Yeah, he's like, let me help them. And then Obi-Wan's like, no, they've got their job. We've got ours. And then they blow up and it's like, oh, man. But I think if I were trying to be as charitable as possible, I'd be like, this is indicative of their characters. Obi-Wan is much more willing to allow the sacrifices to happen when it's an important job to do, while Anakin lets his emotions guide his goals. He's like, all right, it's not nothing. Something can reflect their future actions, but yeah, that happens. And then one vulture droid fires four missiles and holy fuck is this effective. Because the way they work, by the way, is they don't hit your ship. They get in front of your ship and detonate into the buzz droids that land on your ship, which is kind of interesting. Buzz droids in general just seem like these, they're just like parasitic machines that tear your ship apart slowly. Yeah, could be interesting mass producing these low cost, fairly simple robots that you just fling out towards the enemy. And if one in 20 of those suckers ever just lands on a ship and just starts cutting it up, that can do some serious damage. It really could, especially to those without the force, because you're like, oh yeah. Especially to them. And if you have the force, couldn't you just boop them off your ship? One of the issues, I guess, with Star Wars is the, there is sort of, it's really bad in the prequels and the sequels, but I think that's part of the, because they try and really expand upon it, which makes me wonder what the excuse is. But there's a lot of not force using when using the force is clearly the correct. It's so cool. It's very strong. Being able to have powerful telekinesis at your hands is that's a really strong ability. You want to be busting that one out a lot. And I remember there was one counter argument once upon a time, I didn't know who said it, but it was like, well, maybe the force doesn't really work on droids. It's like, no, we've seen it before. Yeah, it clearly does. It clearly does. You can definitely push them away. And so it's just Obi-Wan not saving himself when he clearly could, because we've got to set up a situation of Anakin saving Obi-Wan. Yeah, we have a, when you have a Jedi who's been trained in this stuff for this long, it's kind of like the Mandalorian when you have a character who is, he has this equipment constantly. He should be extremely familiar with it. Even more so, the Jedi should be constantly using the force when it's the correct move. There's no excuse to say, oh, he just wasn't thinking about it or I don't buy any of that. He'd be pulling that shit out all the time. When the Buzz Droids approach both ships, the first target seems to be whatever our unit they have, which to be fair, I think it's a little neat that they would go for the the repair droid slash maintenance thing straight away. Like they'd be programmed to do that. They rip off R4's head, which you actually see a replacement head later in the film. There are a lot of little details like that in the prequels that make me wonder. I'm like, you paid attention to these things that, you know, if you didn't, it would have been fine, but you did anyway. Like, I'm assuming, do you guys know about the one where when Django's head is chopped off and people were like, his head should have fallen out of the helmet that his kid picks up? And he's like, no, if you watch the scene, they show a shadow of the head and the helmet moving in different ways. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And before he's hit by the lightsaber, he tries to start up his jet pack, but it's broken and you even see his attempt to do it. It's just like stuff like that, really small things. And you wonder, maybe then they have nothing to do with George Lucas. They're more so the effects teams or something. I don't know. Maybe. But yeah, I like the little stuff like that little touches. I do too. There's a lot of little good stuff. There's a lot of good stuff in here. Unfortunately, a lot of the good stuff is just details. But it's good to see it. It's good to see it. And so they are at the invisible hand and Obi-Wan's like, the shields are still up. And so I guess we're talking about the shields that stop the vacuum of space sucking out literally all the fucking people and ships inside of the Hangar Bay, which also act as shields of like people can fucking crash into them. Which is why I got so upset when I first saw TLJ where Kylo just fired a whole bunch of missiles through that thing on the ship and it blew up the entire hangar. It's like there's no fucking way that that's how that works because everybody would be doing that if that's how it worked. Yeah, as annoying as it is to kind of see this, it sort of makes some level of sense. You have to destroy the shield and then you can go inside or it's a one-way shield. So it's ridiculously easy how they can just get in, but at least there is an obstacle to overcome even though it's hardly, it hardly qualifies as an obstacle. They just shoot it a couple of times. Yeah, because that's the thing. It is better in Revenge of the Sith, but it's still not fucking, to be fair, I would almost call this like it doesn't make any sense really. It's like you've got the shields, but if you shoot the thing to the right of them a couple of times, the shields are down. It's like damn, people should be doing that then, right? Yeah, you don't want to have the switch for your shields be on the outside that two small fighterships can just blast some lasers at and boom, now you are shieldless. I think this is more, I would happily say this is more of a Star Wars problem in terms of like, there's a couple of weaknesses for big ships that you could, like the, even the Star Destroyers classically, they have those massive external bridges that are very obvious on the top of the ship. You destroy them and all the shields are down. It's like that seems strange. That's, you want to have those on the inside of your ship. Yeah. You don't want to have, you know. But so yeah, we get into that hang, kill a bunch of droids, which they're useless. They always have been battle droids. But at least, they shoot at the Jedi and the Jedi deflect with the lightsabers instead of them just missing every shot, you know. At least, yeah, we get some level of, some level of competence from these stupid robots. Miniscule as it may be lip service to the idea that they might actually do something at some point. Yeah. A battle droid could, you see the shot. Yeah. In the battles, the clones hit the robots and the robots hit the clones and you're like, oh, they're shooting at each other. Wow, look at that. And then R2-D2 is like, bro, I'll sort out them elevator controls, you go get palpitism. And they introduce General Grievous. Oh my goodness. It's General Grievous. Who is just this man machine hybrid that not alone isn't even the interesting part. I think that the way he looks is so fucking cool. Is the design. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, definitely an iconic look. Grievous is really cool. And I don't know why, but we are three for three. Darth Maul, Count Dooku, General Grievous are all, they all have a cool factor. That's really up there. Absolutely. I hope they're not squandered or underused in any way. Oh, wait, I think all of them are. But I think that's funny, though, because like comparatively, it's like one of the villains we look at for the sequels like, well, Kylo, Snoke and Palpatine. Phasma. Oh, fuck, I forgot. I figured, well, I, because she came to my mind first, but I was thinking, I don't even think Maul is going to say it because everyone just forget that Phasma existed. And they made such a big deal out of Phasma, too. You just got up and it was a big deal and then she just died. And I remember when I watched it. Twice, by the way. I was just like, no, you're not dead. Phasma, you've been in a little while. Correct, she's not dead. She has to die again. We're like waiting for her to do the thing that makes it worthwhile that she existed. That's what we were all surprised at, I'd imagine. It's like, wait a minute, you haven't done anything. Darth Maul? You know, as much as, well, all three of them, right? You could call them wasted potential, but at least all three of them had a significant impact on the plot line of all three of them had cool little bits that they got to do. They have good lines, interactions with our heroes that make it seem like there's some history. And their ideas as characters are pretty fucking cool. Like, Darth Maul is just this obsessively hateful person who fucking despises the Sith. Yeah, we'll do, sorry, the Jedi, and we'll do anything to wipe him out. Count Dooku is an ex Jedi who has fallen out of favor in terms of believing in the Republic, but also finds the power that comes with the Sith to be tempting as fuck. Yeah, he's got, he's a political idealist. He has, you know, he has, he seems to have clear motivations that exist outside of the whole Sith Jedi thing. Yeah. And then we have Grievous. A light sebi user who cannot use the Force. Who's trained by Count Dooku. A super nimble, agile cyborg who uses multiple lights. He's a good Jedi hunter too. Yeah. Yeah. And man, you know, if you would ask me, like a few years ago, hey, of any like Star Wars anthology movie, what would you want to probably be Grievous? Now I know the story. I don't want that anymore. Yeah, I don't want them to touch these these characters as much as I would love to really see Dooku be explored. Yeah. I just to stay far away from anything because you're going to ruin it. Anything you touch turns rotten. I'd rather have a little of it. That's all right. Then more of it is terrible. Well, I mean, that's that's a it's a good problem to have that there was too little, you know, like this. Yeah. I'm not saying too much. Yeah, we're not going, oh, if only we had more Kylo Ren. If only we had more Phasma. We're like fucking enough of Kylo Ren. God damn it. I'm so done with that character. I'm so tired of people say like he's the most interesting Star Wars characters. Like, no, you just don't understand him at all. He just changes his mind. Like if you had a if you had a Rubik's Cube, that the colors were constantly changing on. Yeah, I guess that's interesting. But what am I supposed to do with this? I still love the you track him through the sequels. It's like Darth Vader helped convince him to become evil. You're like, oh, does that mean what's what's that about? It's like, no, no, no, we don't really care about that in TLJ. Yeah, we just don't think about it. And the third one is like, no, we do care about it. But it was Palpatine the whole time. And you're like, oh, fuck. Anyway, we they have an elevator shenanigans. There's pieces here that are a little bit like, where they walk backwards into an elevator as they're being shot by destroyers or droidecas. Why don't the battle droids shoot them if they're being shot by the others? Because I think one could argue about the elevator. Yeah, so one could argue that they're looking to capture the Jedi, therefore not shoot them. But I mean, they've been shot at many times by many droids already. Yeah, you don't get the idea that there's any sort of good thing that they didn't die, you know, for this plan to work. Yeah. And I think if you want to argue, oh, well, they were going to shoot at them because they knew the Jedi could handle themselves. And it's like, well, then why are they not shooting at them sometimes? It's like, I feel like if we're going to, how far are we going to spread this good faith train? You know, it's like, whatever they shoot at them, they knew they'd survive. Whatever they don't is because they did want to kill them. Okay. But yeah, sure. Like a lot of the battle droids like have clear shots and then don't take them. And then the ones that don't have clear shots in terms of like definitely killing them. Because they literally get right to Palpatine. And it feels like things could have gone wrong at any point. But yeah, a little shaky, you know. And yeah, the shenanigans are like, ah, too, you're sending us the wrong direction, bro. And when trying to fix it up, for some reason, Ewan McGregor's voice is fucking loud as hell on that little transceiver. And it attracts super battle droids. Why do you need to give him a physical object for him to hold to communicate? You'd think he would be built in. When he's a robot, you just, yeah, absolutely. I mean, he did it with, he has that headset in his plane. Like, keep that with you. That's your communication with R2 when who knows who else. And I guess the only reason that exists is so that R2 gets to... Maybe it's an attempt to be consistent because it's how it worked in DOT as well. Remember when they were talking to C3PO and R2T2, they had the little device to talk to them instead of it being direct? Well, I mean for, but did C3PO need a thing to hold or did they just receive it? Yeah, he was holding a little device. Okay. So it might just be an attempt to remain consistent. Maybe. I feel like an R2 unit wouldn't have to physically carry that around. Especially if it's... Yeah, I guess that could be the case. Here, though, I don't... Yeah. But I think that's probably the reason, even though I don't think it makes sense. Yeah, I don't know. You could maybe argue it's like, well, they want him to be caught by the super valve droids and that's going to be the justification. But I mean that, consequentially, just leads to, quote unquote, a fun moment, not like a... Yeah, that's what I was going to say here was, it doesn't really... Like, it is a nitpick, I suppose, because it doesn't really amount to anything happening. Mm-hmm. It's a very dumb sequence of R2 lighting robots on fire and you're like, what is this? What are we doing? What's the purpose of this? Is this for the kids? It's like, do you know the kind of fucking level of fire you need to melt metal? I've watched a lot of battle bots. You don't see many with flamethrowers because that shit sucks against robots. Unless the robot is covered in cuddly foam or whatever and then it's really funny. Because it just sets them on fire. They're like, lol. Yeah, and then after all the foam's gone, they just carry on like normal. And they look like monster visions because all this good off, just like, ah. Yeah, like they dipped you in the black goo from... From what's that little Nemo? Yeah, then we get into the room with palpitism. And there is a line that people are quite critical of and I wonder if it's... I would try to be fair to revenge the Sith dialogue because there's a lot of bad shit in here but there's also stuff that I wonder is it getting thrown in just because... So for example, Palpatine's like, oh, you guys better fucking run. Count Dooku's a Sith Lord. And then Umebara goes, Chancellor Palpatine, Sith Lords are our speciality. And people are like, are they? We've already seen you get beaten by the... With Count Dooku at least. Specifically by Count Dooku. Specifically by, yeah. But so on one hand it's like, well, what a stupid line but on the other hand, maybe that's the point that since then they have become quite good at dismantling. Well, Anakin has doubled his powers since last thing. Yeah, I think that's the worst. How does one want to fight whether your power is double? What is... I think he just is saying that like, I'm twice as strong or I think he's just trying to say I'm a lot stronger since last week. I'm better now. And yeah, he's like, I'm a lot better. I'm twice as good as I used to be. Well, he should have said I'm twice the Jedi I was or something. Well, but see, that's better dialogue. We don't do that here, okay? Well, yeah, but yeah. As my powers have doubled, it feels awkward as hell. You know, like, an intensity or duration? It feels like you're playing a fucking RPG or something. Yeah, you level up. I was a level 15 mage. Now I'm level 30. My powers have doubled since last week, man. I upgraded my ability and now it is double the duration and intensity. I put more skill points into like power. Yeah, it's a power. Power, yeah. To a berserker stats. We're doing it. To counter myself, though, in regards to the whole maybe they've gotten better. And that's the point of that line in terms of Sith Lords. It's like, what are the Sith Lords even are there? Count Dooku. I think that's what I was going to offer is that it's a kind of poking remark because it's entirely possible Obi-Wan and Anakin are the only ones who've actually really encountered Sith Lords much. And that they would be considered the ones to do it out of every Jedi, maybe? Yeah, like no other Jedi, really. Because like you said, one of the Sith Lords are there. Well, yeah. So I think Yoda beat Count Dooku kind of. I think he did, right? You could call it that because Count Dooku kind of runs away. Yeah, exactly. So yeah, it's this, you know, it's a strange line from Obi-Wan, but I think if you're trying to be nice to the film, it's just him trying to come across as confident and that they have had experience and that, all right, we got this sort of thing. As opposed to, you're literally lying. What do you mean? And yeah, as much as he says my powers have doubled, which is pretty cringe. Twice the pride double the fall feels fine to me. Is this a response? Yeah, I guess we just got there better. It's so fast. Yeah, I guess it's okay. That's a common thing in this film. I wish we got there better, you know, but you didn't do something. That was kind of something. To throw in a subjectivism. I fucking love seeing Chrisfully doing anything, so it's always nice to just see him show up. Unless it's a CGI version of him flipping off a balcony. That was about to say, yeah, he should have walked down the stairs. That's just awkward, yeah. They should have just had a staircase that goes from the entrance down. That's it. He could have talked while he was doing that, and you could have had the actor that you paid for acting. Yeah. Instead we've got bad video game boss energy. It's just he is very calm and collected. He's not trying to show off his acrobatics. He's still an old man, so he calmly walks down the stairs. He is in charge of the situation. He's not panicking or rushing into anything. He has these two where he wants them. He's going to take care of business, and that's that. Their initial sort of back and forth with the 2v1, I think as choreography goes, it's like, okay. There's a couple of moments where you're like, wait, why aren't you attacking him? You have the best chance right now. And they just don't. And you have to sort of brush it off as being like, well, maybe they didn't want to take that strike just in case they want to be more defensive. I don't know. The problem for me more so comes in when he just like randomly uses the force to just fuck Obi-Wan up twice. And the problem for me is less. It reminds me that it's like a hyperspace kamikaze in a small way, because it's just like, I feel like there's an unwritten rule that we're just not allowed to use the force with Jedi having fights or at the very least. Yeah, it should constantly be happening all the time. Yeah, I don't see how this isn't just, you're more focused on using the force than your lightsaber. I don't see, you know, I feel like that's how it would run. Yeah, that guy's got this little stick that it will just like kill me if it touches me. I'm not getting anywhere near him. I'm using my telekinetic powers. Exactly. To the point where you might just use that to push the lightsaber right into him from a distance wide up. And I think that these films could do a better job of explaining why we end up fighting like this instead. But yeah, Obi-Wan is like in the way of what this payoff is going to be in this scene. So Count 2 could just have to get rid of him. To a degree, maybe you could argue that was actually something he was told to do. Like get Obi-Wan out of the picture because you and Anakin need to have a proper fight. I don't know what Palpatine would have told Dooku. Like maybe he told him you need to kill Anakin and this is the ultimate test sort of thing to see which one of them is going to be the one that Palpatine focuses on. Regardless. I assume that Dooku just thought he was supposed to kill him, yeah. Well, I'm trying to say like why didn't, why is it that Obi-Wan is like, he's so fucking weird when he drops the platform on Obi-Wan, by the way. Yeah, they like slides and traps his legs or something. It looks like Obi-Wan as a PNG is moved to the right as the thing falls on him. And you're supposed to sort of just accept like, yeah, it's pinning him. It's not doing any damage though. When it's like- Just haven't been knocked out. I was going to say, why do it at all? He's just knocking him into the wall and he's knocked out. Easy, that's it. This is weird thing where it just falls on him and stuff, but yeah, Anakin and Dooku have their big old battle. You have hate, you have anger, but you don't use them. The kind of lines where I'm like, there's something strong there. Maybe we need to tweak it a bit more because like it's just, George Lucas just does not know how to be more subtle with any of these lines. He is not a settlement. And in terms of what's actually being said is like, does he or doesn't he? Because I remember that tribe of sand people that he killed. True, maybe the comment is just more so, you only selectively use it, but that wouldn't have sounded as good to George. You have hate, you have anger, but you only use them every once in a while. You do not apply these emotions consistently across a variety of circumstances. And yeah, so some of this worth mentioning, Palpatine throughout this scene is like fucking cheerleading it. He's like, yeah, get him, yeah, look at him go. And he even looks like when Obi-Wan gets thrown, there's no reason for him to give off an expression that anyone's looking at him, but he really does look concerned with Obi-Wan is knocked out. It's like, oh, damn, he's part of my plan, maybe. Maybe, maybe he does just have a vague like, sucks that you just had that happen to you. Yeah, I wouldn't want to have my legs pinned under that thing. But yeah, and the classic do it comes up. Yeah, the first, wait, no, not the first meme. There were more memes before that. One of many memes. And I think the intention with that line was to honestly give the sense to the audience. It's like, ah, he's see Palpatine's real coming out now, mask off, but I think everyone's just like, do it. He should do it. And you can't help but appreciate the looks Christopher Lee gives because I think at this moment, we're supposed to like, there's going to be a lot going through his head. First of all, being what the fuck, you're telling him to kill me? I'm your friend. Like, but clearly Dooku decides that he's not going to reveal that. So what do you think? What do you think's going on there character wise? We haven't. I don't know about Dooku enough about in this circumstance sort of. Oh, I don't know. Why would he give up on just sort of living? Is there not this army that you're this war that you're invested in? You actually want to see the Republic fall? Don't you want to see all this stuff happen? And you're just going to be, oh, well, I guess I'm dead then. You're saying that in the sense of if he tells. He's got no hands, but. Well, that's solvable with prosthetics in this universe. But you're saying that in the sense that he should have said, like, hey, Palpatine's the emperor. Palpatine's the emperor. Don't kill me. I can tell you more or use someone else. I mean, I what if his devotion to like the whole Sith stuff is significant enough that he he's confused more so than outright ready to does seem a little bit confused and definitely gives off the impression with his face. Like, I don't I don't want to die. But at the same time, maybe just trying to avoid bleeding saying anything. Yeah. Yeah. Um, this is I think you're right. We don't know enough about Dooku to be able to make any claims here. And that sucks. It really does because. Yeah. You got everything you need to make a great character there. Yeah. Like, does he I guess we just get nothing and we're left in this situation. We're like, I guess we don't know. This awesome cool actor slash villain that we just he's gone now. I'm like, oh, OK, well, hmm. Yeah. And it's obviously to make the audience go, oh, he dropped his head off. That's evil. And he's holding one blue saber and one red saber. Oh, the duality of man. It's just a scary thing. The Jedi necessarily even be against killing a Sith Lord. If we look at the OT. Obi-Wan wasn't looking at this movie. Yeah. Obi-Wan celebrates the fact that he killed Dooku. I think it's more so the nature of the kill rather than killing in general. Yeah. It's not like they just fought each other. He's captured. He's incapacitated. You got him. Yeah. You've now murdered him. You've executed him, yeah. As far as killing him in the heat of battle, like what happened with Maul. Yeah. This is a bit more complex in terms of what the right decision is. Wasn't it Cosmodal that was like, this is obviously the correct thing to do? Yeah. And that was baffling. The guy is on his knees. He's handless. Like I feel like. Because lefty movie internet reviewers don't have a moral compass. I would love to know what his logic is like fundamentally, but I know he doesn't have. I don't think he's ever thought about all this stuff fundamentally. You say he doesn't have a sense of logic. Oh, it's Cosmodal. Marmorality or really anything. I just, I think it's interesting and it's obviously just designed to make us go, ah, it's going further to the dork side. Oh, my gorm. But yeah, you know, and at this point with how much we've described, it's like, so how are we doing? It's like, it's okay. Like there is a little lower than okay. We're off to a pretty darn shaky start, but there are some really cool visuals. So the ship's just getting fucking blown apart to the point where they have to get into the elevator shaft sideways. Again, I just don't understand why the invisible hand isn't getting the fuck out of here. But it's just getting blasted to pieces. And this is like sort of funny thing where they get turned completely on their side. It's only after like a minute of doing all of that that they go, the emergency booster engines go. It's like, why would those have been engaged? The second the ship starts to like list in any way. But it's all done by droids too. But you have to tell the droids to do it. It's like the only way you're going to be able to rescue everybody on board. And I'm not even sure it's like just darting straight down into the planet at a pretty strong speed. And then like they start up the engines and it's like almost stopped immediately. It was like, oh, wow, those engines must be pretty fucking powerful. They are built for purpose. I will say that they do what they do. Yeah, we are in sci-fi land. So it's just like, all right. But it just feels weird that Grievous has to tell them to do that. That's all. You shouldn't have to tell anyone to do this. That should be someone's job. Oh, shit. I get to press the button. Yes, like he should be. Oh, man, I'm so glad I get to press the button. That's my job is to press the emergency booster button in case something horrific happens. And I got to do it. And then they start falling down the elevator shafts to the point where honestly, like, we've seen what happens when Palpatine falls down a shaft. All right. And I'll say any permanently dies, but he gets in some trouble. So there's kind of an aspect here of just like, is he like lucking out here? Especially like grabbing onto like a leg at the last moment and like, oh, man. Well, yeah, I just meant like that scenario in general. But when we move forward, it gets a little bit fucking crazy. Like Obi-Wan and Attica both in sync throw grappling hooks that match, let's be honest here, incredibly unlikely to get them through a door that was just open. I don't even remember. Like, yeah, they do this. They do this weird Van Helsing style rope through a random opening. It was that era. It's just this weird swashbuckly. I don't believe that you just did that sort of thing. Yeah, because definitely not planned. This was definitely not planned. No, it's yeah. And it's kind of if you look at what happens when they drop, Palpatine is not holding their legs at all. He's like a good meter away. But then when they jump in years again, it's just like, part of the plan, part of the plan, it's all part of the plan. Yeah. And they will narrowly survive. It's a ridiculous moment where they all probably should have died. Other than if only they use the force more because there's ways to make that make more sense with the force, I think. Yeah, Palpatine is about to fall off something, but they pull him towards them or something like that. Maybe you have a scene where Palpatine is like in a moment of peril during their escape, he almost uses his own force powers because he feels like he's actually going to die. But the other two save him just in time. That would be cool. Um, yeah. Maybe Anakin even notices it, but doesn't think anything of it. They end up, oh, fuck, the ray shields. The most bizarre moment for me in a lot of styles. Yeah, because they just get caught for some reason. It's one of the most like the writer's hand is so fucking clear it reaches out into the characters to grab them and put them somewhere else. It's like, I don't know how to get them there. Yeah, very bizarre. It's one of those. Yeah, it's just, we just need them to be captured. They're captured now. All right, moving on. And the weirdest part for me is that it's lampshaded. We're smarter than this. It's like, what? Well, thanks, but you're still captured. I don't even, yeah, it's weird as fuck. And it's just an excuse to get them into the bridge with Grievous. And when they're there, there's a bit of banters. Again, I'm starting to think like, should I just kind of skip past and go for the main bits? I guess. Yeah, so then they have a flight. They have a flight with these crazy battle like droids that have the electric things. Well, I think it's significant to mention he captures their lightsabers and then their hands are tied, right? And it's like, so you guys are fucked. But then they're like, R2. And he goes, that doesn't really do anything. R2 doing that. Just a distraction. If well, if you look at the droids, they kind of just like, what's wrong with your robot? Them grabbing the lightsabers and releasing themselves was something they could have just done anyway. They've done the whole time. Yeah, because the droids are so crap. Everyone here is so crap. They just, it's such a fucking weird moment. And I was wondering, because I think I asked you, Rags, at one point, because after we watched it, I was like, was the plan here to kill them or not? Was Grievous in on the plan? Yeah. Was he just like, I gotta wait until they escape, because I don't know what else I can do, because Palpatine said I can't kill them. It's such a weird moment, because if they'd just been executed, that's it. Or was the plan that Palpatine didn't tell people, just believing that they could handle it. Yeah, maybe compartmentalized. You can hope Grievous is going to do a fucking speech, I guess. Unless he just decides now I'm going to kill you now. And the fact that they can just pull the lightsabers out of his little thing, is just like, oh fuck, oh well. You know Jedi, you know Jedi are telekinetic. Put their handcuffs on their back, I guess. Then I have to turn around to do it. And then there's this funny shit where Grievous is like, fucking get up, get up, get up, get up. And obviously they're just tearing everything apart, the Jedi, because the droids. Yeah, these are the blue-colored droids. They're just here to push the buttons on the... They're just not prepared to deal with this right now. They do not know how to operate the Christ scenario. I am just here to press buttons, God. And yeah, I'm skipping ahead a little bit, but I just love that comparison that of once all the droids are wiped out, Grievous is like, don't bother with them, focus on the ship. It's like, bro, everyone's dead. And even if they're not, they are still here. They can hear you, like they're right next to you. What are you even talking about? I don't know. The desperation. That would be an interesting thing, where the ship is actually crashing, and the droids manning the consoles are the only thing keeping the ship from actually crashing, so our heroes can't destroy those droids. They just awkwardly have to sit there in the same room together. Yeah. Or if Grievous is about to jump out the window, and he tells the droids, crash the ship. So Grievous smashing that window open seems strange. That's horseshit. You'd think they'd be a lot stronger than that. Unless those fucking magnet droid things are just... They're powerful. And I know someone would be like, well, they can block lightsabers. And it's like, well, I do. Yes. But like, what even are they? I don't know. They're like sticks with electricity. We need to come up. It's just like the, it's like a better version of the shocky stick trooper from The Force Awakens. Because at least you can see like, oh yeah, you would have a droid who's programmed to fight Jedi. Even if they're not like great at it, at least it give them, you know, distract them, make them, you know, force them to be, you know, take up their attention. You know, that will, that'll work. You could build a bunch of these, you know, kind of robots, but man, they're, the step up in quality is extreme. Yep. Yeah, because super battle droids are like fine, but then magnet droids are like, whoa, you guys are fucking top notch. So yeah, he, Grievous breaks out, gets into a skateboard, runs away and they're like, oh boy, now what? Because the ship splits in half. Yeah, boy. That's really unfortunate. That is really unfortunate. It's weird that the ship would just break in half Titanic style. Yeah, I guess we're just supposed to assume that that's the kind of damage is sustained, but it just sort of happens. You're like, oh, bye, I guess. Yeah, it's just, it's just in the half now. Damage to that degree starts to make one wonder if Palpatine really thought this through. Yeah, and why would, surely the mission, like the, that ship wouldn't get attacked like that if the, if the plan was we're sending two Jedi in, because that's the ship that has the Chancellor and we have a rescue mission going on. You can't inflict devastating damage to that ship. Yeah, it'd be like in the movie Air Force One, a fighter jet just blew up the Air Force One. It's like, no, I lost, guys. Well then, they see half the ship plummeting and they're like, were there Jedi in there? Why would Jedi be there? It's not like we sent them there. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, no. Logistics was not, not doing its job today. I guess I think we're going to try and show it getting caught in a crossfire or something to that effect. Like just gets winged in the chaos and. Yeah, have a ship, have another ship hit it. Oh, another ship gets destroyed or blown apart and then another ship Starship Trooper style just sort of crashes into the other ship. And there that's your get out of jail free card for your heroes are captured. Another ship randomly and against the plan. It's yours. Rumbles the ship, gas sprays out of the wall. It rumbles everything. All the droids topple over. It catches everyone off guard and Anakin and Obi-Wan. They take that distraction and they make their escape. Yeah, yeah. But you see, like, at least there's something here that can be fixed. Yes, we can fix this. We can have this discussion. We can fix it. We can we can repair it. We have the technology. We do. We're looking very suspiciously at Palpatine because, you know, you'd have to think that this is going to be a clusterfuck when it's a sneak attack on, you know, the capital, see, uh, planet or whatever. Yeah, absolutely. It was absolute clusterfuck. Every ship for themselves. Just shoot at anything that is in us right now. So you want to be in that Palpatine? Nope. It's funny to compare, by the way, because, like, the final fight in Rise of Skywalker is like, well, we can fix that, right? It's like, no. No, it's not. We get rid of the whole thing because that's, it's all garbage. Extensive, extensive rewrites from the ground up. There's no, yeah, because that's the thing. If you could change the dialogue of the sequels, would they become better? It's like, I don't know. I mean, they, I guess they would. I guess so. I mean, I guess they would, but... So they crash land, they make it, and you get the another happy landing meme. Excellent. Incredible line. Just one of the best. That's so Obi-Wan. Mm-hmm. And then, yeah, we get into the portion of the film, I guess, that's just going to be, that's our opening action scene to get us into it, and now it's like time to set up how everything's going to fall apart. And, yeah, they do the thing of like, you've saved, they've saved you 10 times, it's like nine times, that shit with blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And again, it's sort of like, see, they've got a big history. And you're like, yeah. They do have history. They have done things. Off-screen together, I guess. I wondered to me, it's like, well, what else can they do at this point? And it's like, yeah, I guess so. What else can you do? Yeah, I mean, I don't, yeah, I don't blame them. It's just that it's almost like it's just too late. You've, you had two movies, and you spent it doing other things. Can't just create a dynamic where there wasn't one, and like imply that it was there all along, because it wasn't. And, yeah, it's just, I guess, like, I don't know if I should try not to be too mean, but it's just like so blatant what you're doing. Georgie boy. That's fine though. We'll just keep going. Which happens right after- It only works if you didn't do it. Yeah, yeah, I think so. I would prefer overt consistent than subtle inconsistent, I guess. Yeah. Because we get it right again. Like the Palpatine arrives, there's the entourage of aliens, I guess. And basically his conversation with base Windu is, we're hoping the wall will end soon. It won't while Grievous is alive. Yeah, okay, we'll try and find him. But if you don't, I get my powers still. Like, all right. Like, you don't even need the dialogue. It's basically the Jedi and Palpatine ain't in a good place right now. They don't like each other. And Grievous represents the end of the war if we kill him. It's like, okay. Done and done. Clear objectives. Yeah, it's very, very straightforward. There's nothing for you to really go like, wait, what does that mean? It's like, no, no. And then Padme in the middle of like the public arena filled with all kinds of people is like, hey, person, I'm not allowed to secretly love kisses. Very strange. Yeah, like, all these very important people are very close by. If you sneeze. There absolutely is a security camera here. All of the senators, the chance here. Look at Josh on big forum. Is it like in a couple of miles away? Isn't there like an insane space battle? No, that's not it's okay. All right, that's good. I hope our side won. That is a really weird part of this film. It's like, they made it out. It's fine. If you're like, well, I guess the intro said, the intro said the battle droids were fleeing. So I guess we're just supposed to assume we won. Yeah, I find that very amusing as a sentence. Honestly, I hope we won. It's like, yeah, kind of, because I don't know if we did. I think somebody who would find us frustrated will be like, obviously they won. The rest of the film, like loads of takes place on chorus that you're like, no, I know it's just like, why not show that? Yeah, like they just escaped the battle that seemed to be in full swing. Not even, you know, like a line where it's like, you know, how a system above all on the ship when it crashes and like a clone trooper is just like, you know, most fires being put out, you seem stable. And the droid ships are fleeing. You know, we have won. Something like that. But no, it's just sort of like, all right. That's the question I have is, what happened to the fleet? What happened to the debris that's obviously falling to chorus? It's like, I guess they take care of it. Because we are clearly within its orbit. We are in its gravitational pull. That's the big thing about storytelling, of course, is like trying to figure out what you need to give to the audience of what can be inferred. And it's just, that feels like one of those things where it's like, man, I would have liked to have seen something to do with that. It felt like the whole opening was about it. And then it was just like, by the way, it ended fine. You're like, it did. I wonder if you do want, because, you know, Jar Jar is barely in this film at all. And that was probably because they saw the reaction. I wonder if they dialed back from actually exploring just the broader aspects of war politically, logistically, because of the reception that the other films got because of the politics. Because frankly, they should have leaned into it more because there is a lot of story there that's worth exploring about how this war is playing out. Who are the sides? What are their resources? Because the first film went a bit ham with that, right? Like they got specific about treaties and limits and trade federation level of like policies for taxes. Like, man. Well, yeah, because we don't need to go that in depth. We could just have the broad strokes. Who were the major players? What do they have in terms of ships and manpower? I guess droid power and like, and where are these things happening vaguely? Like, I feel like that's all you need, but do that. And then that gives Padme something to do because she is a senator, you know, have her involved in that aspect of it, give her more to do. I guess it just feels like they pulled back and went more abstract, which it still feels like we have a pretty clear idea of like what the objectives are, get grievous. But even then, you know, feels like there's a lack in detail. We were much more detailed on the more boring parts. And then when abstract on the parts. The more interesting battle. Yeah, like which planets are siding with who and what are the sort of broad reasons for why? And then where do they sit and the map and what does that mean for territory and stuff? Yeah, exactly. Because when we talk about salvaging the prequels, the main gist of it is the prequels are the Clone Wars. That's that's what it is. It starts when the Clone Wars starts and it ends when they end. And then we like really delve into it and use this backdrop of all of these these planets with competing interests, the individuals, you know, in on chorus of like their competing interests and the role of the Jedi within the Republic and the clashing that's happening there in terms of power. And we use all of that as our backdrop for the personal interpersonal relationships between the characters. That that feels like an easy way to not easy because still there's plenty of work, but like a more apparent way to fix these films and make them stronger. But we kind of we don't we don't fully we don't we don't tap the potential. That's that's basically the keyword for all of these films. Yeah, the table set for it. Yeah, you know. Yeah, because the era is a really cool era of the Star Wars universe. Yeah, it's really interesting. Because the sequel is fucking nothing. Yeah, the era of the sequel sucks. It's like a dirty case. It feels like the era of the sequels is the population of the the galaxy is like 10,000, you know, maybe 20,000 people. And the vast majority of them are just chilling out. Yeah. Like I said, during the movie, I feel like in the sequel trilogy, if it's not like two places, it might as well not exist. Exactly. The only planets that exist are the planets that we go to. Whereas even whereas in the prequels, it feels like a big place with a lot of things happening. I want to live in the Clone Wars world. Even with the war. But I just don't want to live in a sequel world. It's just so empty in dark. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, and the events are just fucking a rehash of like things in a much simpler way. Just empires back, I guess. Well, yeah, it's very cut and dry. And that was that's the potential of the prequels is to present us something that's a little more complicated. Like the Jedi are good, but the institution of the Jedi is rigid and flawed and maybe even a little bit power hungry themselves. Yeah, to build the empire from within the Republic. It's like that's an idea. That is absolutely an idea. The way that somebody can amass power and manipulate things behind the scenes to keep wars going on and put more power in himself. And I mean, yeah, it feels like you could have because Mace Windu is cool, but Mace Windu could have been a better character. Way better. And it's like, yeah, especially in terms of the, because Mace Windu could have a really significant role in terms of the plot of Republic clashing with the Jedi. And then you have the stories of Palpatine sowing distrust in the Jedi throughout the course of the wars, diminishing their numbers, making it easier for him to take charge. You can even have it so that Mace Windu and Count Dooku are reflections in that they both have serious issues with how politics is currently working on both sides, but they've sided with what they believe is the superior team, ultimately. Yeah, like Mace Windu is, yeah, politics bad Jedi. And Sidious is like, politics bad Sith. Do you mean Dooku? I'll run it. Oh, Dooku, yeah, yeah, Dooku, sorry. Or Darth Tyranus. No, we got Dooku, that's fine. Politics bad Sith, or maybe not Sith, but like more independence, I guess, less of a centralized system. You know, you have them clash maybe once or twice before a final fight between them in one of the films or something. You know, have it be that... Yeah. Isn't there a relationship between them of some sort? I can't remember. I believe, I believe so, but I can't remember. Dooku is Yoda's student. Is Windu's student or a teacher of sort? I can't remember. But we can definitely use that. It could be that Dooku taught Mace Windu. Maybe we change it. Maybe Dooku did, yeah, teach Mace Windu. Oh, so much potential. Yeah, we could do things with this. Yeah, I feel like that should be the key takeaway from the prequel, is it's bad, but it could have been great. It could have been great. It could have been really, really great. It really could have been great. Could have outshone Leo T. Well, yeah. And conversely with the sequels, it's like what could have been great is fundamentally different from what is here. We need to get rid of it and start over again. Yeah, if you did A in the sequels, you needed to have just flat out done B. Yeah, because we've talked about it plenty, right? I think the story that we would have liked is Leia's in charge and she's a little bit overzealous in pursuing former Empire loyalists and everything like that. Han is disillusioned with it and Luke is trying the best he can to re-institute the Jedi as a... You could argue it's a reflection of the prequels in terms of now it's like the Republic is becoming an Empire, but not because someone's deliberately doing that, but because someone's going down the wrong path. No, because they're trying to avoid it. They're trying to avoid becoming the Empire, they're becoming an Empire. And then the whole series is basically just a statement on power. Oh, you could have tied it up real well. It comes from... Yeah, it comes from within. It comes from within and the Jedi, the good Jedi, the Luke Skywalker super-duper Jedi, he's on top of that shit. He's got to figure it out because he conquered it himself and he could show Leia the way and they could work together to bring him out. No, drink to the milk. He's beautiful. You can't. Yeah, that's the... There was never a way we were gonna... It's sort of a lifeline. We were going to... I mean, nowadays there was never a way we're going to have Leia be anything other than just the best ever. No, yeah, they wouldn't want to do it. Just the unfortunate... Our plan has to be in... Yeah, our plan has to be the most flawed out of all of them at that point. But she would have been an awesome character in the end. Well, I think we have to have her... We have to have her beating Luke Skywalker with a lightsaber and a flashback just to establish that she's just the best. And that's how we're flipping it almost because she is kind of the least flawed out of the three in the OT and so now we make her the most flawed. Yes, she is very reasonable... Very competent, very intelligent... And very competent. Very, very, very competent leader. Yeah, she is great. She's a really great person. So yeah, driving here somewhere... Because you'd flip it again, it's like Han Solo is probably the most scoundrel level out of all of them and that he could be one of the most altruistic of the sequels. Well, fundamentally he's a good guy with a strong... Yeah, and he would have come a long way. Return of the Jedi has got enough in it that puts you on that path anyway because he chose to become a general in the army for the rebellion. It's like, damn. Yep. But enough about broken dreams. Broke and everything. Yeah, just to... Grievous arrives on Utapao and he's like, Palpatine, what's next? And he's like, evil stuff. And he's like, all right. There's not much I have to say about it. The war's the only way about that. And then Grievous is like, oh, okay, cool. Well, he's like, what about Koutugu dying? And then Palpatine's like, ah, but get a new apprentice. And it's a little bit of like, get it. It's Anakin. Yeah, yeah. It's like, yep, yeah, yeah, I got it. All right, thank you. And then we get one of the worst scenes for dialogue in this whole movie. Anakin and Padme talking to each other and George Lucas is like, what do people do when they're in love and they want to express that? They just say, I love you. No, I love you. So love has blinded you. Oh, this shit. No, you're so beautiful that I only see beauty or some bullshit. Maybe this is my George Lucas' marriages don't work. Idiot. I just can't listen to it sometimes. It's so bad. It's really bad. They don't sound like people. They just sound like, you know, just they're telling us what to think about these two. It's like, they're in love. You're like, yeah, okay. Okay. Yeah. All right. Something of a past. You keep telling that. You know, you go, sorry. I didn't feel it in your ear. No, no, it's how, I don't know whose place it is then. I think it's Padme's. There's that giant window in the back of the place. They always hang around him. I just find it funny to think about like anyone going by and any of those flying cars could just look left and, you know, they're exposed. Like, oh my God, is that a hanging in Padme? Oh my God. Oh my gosh. How scandalous. There must be paparazzi in this world, right? There's no journalists. Clearly. Paparazzi and they're all, I lose them. That's okay. That's a Rick and Morty joke right there. They have no camera. And you're like, so you can't take pictures that his eyes blink and he's like, you know, it makes a flashing sound. That's just the species. Like, right. Okay. He shoots out paper out of his mouth. It's just like, oh, God. It's coming in all this flim. It takes, I'm going to get paid today. So I was like, why don't you just have a camera? He's like, this is cheaper. This is me. I am the camera. I think you can summarize this scene as Anna can be in like, pretty sure you're going to die. It makes me sad. She's like, it's chill. Don't worry about and right now all we can imagine is it's childbirth. So yeah, it's just we're setting the groundwork. He's very concerned about saving her. I wonder if we can use this as a motivation to do other things. Probably not. Probably not. Then you have a scene with Yoda. Yoda's like, yo, you head into the dark side there, buddy, with your fear of losing Padme. I really hate this scene. I hate it a lot. I think it's it's the foundation for a lot of criticism of the Jedi's philosophy and a lot of people have to try and explain more of it to make it sound better. Because it is very, very, very poorly worded and it needs to be not poorly worded. No, this is this is a time for tact. This is a time to be of all the times to be overt when one character is trying to teach a very important lesson to another person. Now is not the time for me to be lost in translation or riddles or analogy. Sometimes you really need to be explicit. Then you can elaborate on it afterwards. Yeah, the impression you get is just like I think the point of this scene is to is to George to tell us directly like, you see this whole thing with Padme is going to it's going to make him become Darth Vader. Okay. And you're like, all right. Okay. I don't know, but like it just doesn't feel right, right? It's like, you're all human. We know you all experience emotions quite a bit actually. Like, look at Obi-Wan. He gets fucking angry all the time. Yeah, he quips and he's very, very human. How sad he is at the thought of the Jedi being like exterminated later on in this film is just like, imagine someone was sitting in there with Yoda and Obi-Wan they're trying to change the magic being like, guys, you know, fear of loss leads to the dark side, right? Maybe you should be chill. And it's just like off. Like the entire point is supposed to be mindfulness, right? Like a way I think that's acceptance of your emotions and whatnot. But instead of Yoda telling Anakin, just don't care Lamal. Yeah. Inside of you there are two Banthas and we don't get any of this sort of lesson about wisdom or, you know, there's a time and place for this and that or it's all about balance. God forbid, that's the thing about the force. But we just don't learn anything. That's kind of, I think I would agree. It's like they're meant to be trying it because the Jedi have pretty obviously based on a lot of Eastern philosophies. And yeah, mindfulness. But like the way that he said it is really easy to interpret that in destructive ways. Absolutely. That there is a much better way of framing the point because I think the point, the good faith thing would be the point is like it's okay to, the real point should be it's okay to experience these feelings but don't allow these feelings to lead to actions which are harmful to you and others. Yeah, you can't let your fear of something drive you to make irrational decisions. Yeah, I want to add to that though that like an organization like the Jedi with a philosophy like that they would, considering that it is comprised in part of humans and people in general there would be an understanding that people are going to struggle with things like this. So there would be advice that could be given as to how to deal with like being deeply concerned about the loss of loved one. And there's not a lesson just attach yourself lol. Yeah, and it's not a lesson that you can give to the audience either. I can't do anything with this and it doesn't have to be for me of course because I don't exist in this world but if you want to use this as a way to teach some kind of lesson or expand upon some thematic element I as a moviegoer, I am not going to get anything useful out of this conversation when I really should be able to. This is Yoda after all. I think there's color for Yoda. Just an immediately better way would be there should just be a scene where like if you change the scene and actually have it pretty clear that like Anakin is having a bit of an emotional response in this moment and then Yoda just does the standard thing like breathe, you know, just slow down breathe like observe the feeling, just observe it notice that feeling and because that's like the common thing is it's not about not having feelings a lot of the time it is about observing the feeling almost like a third party like oh notice how you have this emotion notice how it feels within you now like you notice it but that doesn't mean you have to act in a certain way because of that feeling that should be like the lesson he's trying to instill upon him like it's okay to feel this way just don't do anything crazy all right like chill out Yoda feels like an unhelpful pamphlet that I get at the dentist office where it's like these are the bullet points you can help people but it's not really helping me and listening to me like I'm a person that he's talking to I don't know about the me I'm wrong there's an argument I don't know how much you're gonna see any value in it that this is part of what's wrong with the Jedi is that they're the way that they try and teach these ideas is a bit broken and it actually leads to some people going nuts I am down with that it's so uncharitably you know yeah I feel like Yoda's not the character you want to do that to Satya it's very very uncharitable to the Jedi and how it's put together yeah we don't want them to be incompetent we want them to be flawed yeah like maybe maybe they have gone a bit too far with you know this emotionless or you know yeah emotionally dead kind of thing or whatever but as it stands it's it's as if this isn't something that has even been considered that a person might struggle with these kinds of things and not be able to just not care or at the drop of a hat it's bizarre to me that they have a conversation a little bit later in this film where they're like yeah Anakin might not be the chosen one because he's kind of crazy and it's just like what guys might want to do something about that if you believe it like uh he's pretty fucking powerful that he's rising them ranks and they're just very casually just being like yeah he's he's he's uh a bit emotionally driven a bit of a nutcase also he told me that he has dreams of Padme being murdered it's like well dying they they they sit on their ass a little bit too much I think they literally and figuratively and yeah so he has that conversation then he goes speaks to Obi-Wan I can't quite remember what this conversation was about this one specifically wait wasn't that was that first one about uh that was oh that was that about him becoming a Jedi and he just needs to be patient like a Jedi master I think that was after the council scene hold on uh I think oh because it ends with him saying be careful with your new friend Palpatine or something like that right and then he goes to talk to your boy pal palpa palpy and palpy's like I want you to represent me on the council yeah so then he goes to the council and they're like yeah now you're not Jedi master yet my boy and that's the thing I think I think it's fair to say this is very deliberate by Palpatine he's like on one hand they accept and there's still anima sticks I forced him in there or two they they say no and it makes Anakin distrustful of the Jedi council yeah it's it's a really good gamble it pays off no matter what it's it's not like a huge criticism I have I'm just curious about this I just start to think can palpatine do that well that's kind of what I'm getting at if he can or can't it works either way for him right sure like does he do you have authority to appoint people to it's a separation of church and state kind of medieval issue separation of senate Jedi it seems that they have to accept it so maybe that's the ruling maybe that's part of the emergency powers and well yeah and maybe it's as simple as you know you can you can try and if if both parties agree it can you know happen and I guess again that's just had they said no palpatine have been it's clear they don't trust you it's like so in there and then it's the scene where uh Anakin and Obi-Wan are talking about him being a Jedi master and like he needs to be patient and that that council scene as well is that when he's like he suggested I go kill Grievous and then they're like lol no no that's later okay that's uh because that's after um because that's after they they have their Darth plague is the wise conversation means to be coming soon oh yeah because Obi-Wan is like bro we need you to spy on Thiggy that's why we actually let you join and he's like wow and that just so further animosity it does yeah you'd argue that backfires for the Jedi I think Obi-Wan you can argue Obi-Wan believes that like Anakin's more on their side than palpatines um and that's the misjudgment of his yeah yeah which would mean a lot more had they had a longer and more fulfilling history yeah um yeah then they have their chat of like Anakin's pretty flimpy though Yoda's thinking face just be like hmm flimpy flimpy and I think this is Samuel Jackson say like I said it's a plot to destroy the Jedi no that's a little bit later actually but uh man just not quick enough on the draw I think they argue as well that their ability to like clairvoyantly see into the future is fucked because Palpatine acts as like a fog of war or something but being so close to which I guess can follow right there's great disturbance in the force persistently because of this war sure is that what wars do sit around and you know taxes instead of doing anything yeah like they can't focus very much compared to normal I guess the argument and also maybe he's casting some spells in his office and Jedi strife across the galaxy maybe that has mark on effects and the fact that they separated into different planets at this point instead of being like a yeah we don't really know yeah yeah we could have used more delving into that why can't you see you know um again trying to just get us a little bit further faster plague is seen like uh they found and he wants Anakin to go get him and then just talks about assist who had cracked yeah who is so fucking clear like everyone who's ever watched this is just like Anakin are you are you not picking up are you actually stupid I just have to imagine palpatine's internal monologue it's like oh he's just he's just kind of following along with me he's letting me get away with all of this I can just can I just keep going and say not from a jet I can huh yeah and I can even say it in a bit of an evil voice well even the Jedi dare I say it's like this guy's job George because this could have been less subtle I guess he could have been like hey uh you know if you've got a loved one who's dying the Sith can help you I don't just say it like like nudging him with an elbow and it's like that is information already is really manipulative but it's like wait sorry why are you saying this person who has nothing to do with the force he's just like yeah there's nothing at all chill you know you get around you learn stuff yeah you read about it in the newspaper found this guy like you know you know I'm learning in in MacDermot though man great uh he's just carrying I just wish that there was you need this to be so much more subtle or you need it to be that um their relationship he's he's established a while ago that he studies the Jedi mainly just because yeah if it considers them very important in many ways but uh also that you know hey here and there there's just bits of information about the dark side quote-unquote you could even him being like you know it's it's all the same thing like calling it the dark side doesn't even make sense it's all the force you could have him say that to Anakin to sort of introduce talking about those subjects in a more subtle way the just being like hey bro dark side's pretty cool yeah I wonder if there are other applications of the force is like is to the Jedi know it all are there other ways or yeah things like that well and you could even talk about Dooku in a way that's like you know he used to be a Jedi and uh I know he's like a he's totally an evil piece of shit but like do you know what you know made him think twice about the you know what happened yeah I told you why he left oh see that'd be great just being like you know I looked into it and like there's a lot of stuff there that let's just say isn't public knowledge and you know and it can be like we were and then and then what do you mean you don't know they haven't told you they don't trust you with that information I mean I'd be surprised if they didn't know but hey look I mean you know Jedi master you know and then you could just be like don't you think it's weird that they don't let you know anything about the dark side like like they can't trust you with knowing its existence beyond its evil yeah what are they so afraid of because I appreciate that they have their conversations throughout these films but like oh you could really spend the time just chipping away at him just trying to say that there's no line between good and bad it's all fucked and the these Jedi they're just these fucking robotic idiots who if anything are costing us the war like imagine him trying to argue that yeah be pretty neat but yeah he's just like being evil is kind of cool and Anakin's like the next scene we're like deciding on I guess the next set of plans with the the wars and stuff and yeah I think they they're like no you're not going to Grievous we'll send Obi-Wan we were talking about this I think when we were watching it but like was it the idea that Palpatine knew that they would decline it and he could just use it as a further wedge between the Jedi and Anakin if that said yes that would have really messed things up yeah we were saying like if he had said yes would Palpatine but like please don't actually go it's great that they they agreed actually but Tid's out I've got different plans because he needs Anakin to remain in Carson like desperately for these plans so he wouldn't make much sense to send him all the way over to Yutapau but yeah maybe he was just relying on the fact that he already knew it was an absurd request and that the Jedi would decline it you know 40 chest palps that's that's what you have to argue sometimes even though sometimes it's like hmm um yeah the battle on Kashik begins and it's it's another one of those sorts of like man he's got wookies running toward the machines that are all firing at them and then even then you're like droids why aren't you just using capital ships to fucking raise this whole thing I don't know like it's very it comes across very star wars silly war yeah it's like I it's very tough to like I don't believe you like that this is how it would happen there is just an element that I just can't believe it but it looks neat it does look very cool sure I just wish it was more tactically the tactical yeah yeah I wish that there was some like weren't a little a little bit more clever than just both sides are just gonna throw everything they have and one clump at the other line of clumps and they meet in the middle and they just shoot each other at point blank I'm like what is this yeah what is this this is ridiculous and then we have the last scene of Anakin and Obi-Wan being friends it's so very sad he's like you're a better Jedi than even I am and you're a good man and it's been great I'm gonna miss you it's almost like they're aware of how this is their last scene as friends yeah and imagine how great that scene would have been if we had everything supporting it yeah but alas and you know there are choices made it was mentioned when we were watching it like there's the fact that Anakin is in the shade while Obi-Wan is in the light while they're talking and the kind of stuff that makes me say like if you look for it you'll find all of your crazy fun visuals in the prequels just as much as you'll find them in the sequels maybe not just as much I don't know but like it's like this is like we really try to focus on the writing but when people try to use that as evidence of like how you know like the themes of TLJ is like there's a fucking ton of themes in the prequels like if you want to dig them out that is not executed very well yeah and so yeah Obi-Wan goes to use the power and this shit there's so much of this in the film where like where is it like he so he arrives and the idea is that the droids are all there they're hiding or at least grievous is and they're the you know that they're like you better people that we have captured quote-unquote you better tell Obi-Wan slash the Jedi slash whoever's looking that nothing's going on here okay and it's like all right so Obi-Wan arrives and the leader guy is like yeah everything's fine here there's no war going on here everyone's like and then he goes he's here we're being held hostage help us it's like what clever I wouldn't do this yeah like what was even like good job droids like the whole fucking idea should just be that you have one dude there with a gun ready you know something yeah something a little more clever but um are a little more subtle something more than a stun talking to and a hope we're led to believe the the droids are only looking at the conversation happening and that as long as it looks fine that's fine it's like really okay okay um so yeah Obi-Wan I think I guess simulates his ship leaving but then actually stays on the planet uh kind of makes me wonder if he couldn't call that ship remotely back because he ends up leaving on Grievous's ship I don't know what happens to his ship ultimately to be fair but um yeah he's um doing a sneak on Utapau now let's go to assassinate gg boy uh I guess what's interesting to me is like it shows him getting into his ship and then leaving but also he managed to get out secretly and I'm just like I guess he is a Jedi so I don't know maybe there was something he did there that makes sense I don't know it just doesn't quite look like anything could have explained that like if you've got I don't know if you guys got the movie up but it is quite bizarre it shows him in his ship it's leaving and then it shows him looking at his ship from having you know standing in some secret area just like all right I don't know how you did that but you did it and then he's on some weird creature that yells and shouts yeah this wizard and it's super colorful and it's like this is a good stealthy way to get around yeah this this plume to serpent creature I just it's bizarre because if any any local was just like wait what who is that it's like we're close fuck is that loud noise and this big lizard who's that guy on it and there's only one type of people that wear robes in this universe it's clearly a jedi run um yeah and now we're still getting into I mean it's not like we haven't been critical already but Obi-Wan is like all right I've found them having a meeting the separatists there are droids everywhere I'm gonna go try and kill him now's a good time they'll never expect me to do this I don't get it at all I know people like give us like badass and he's done some reckless stuff before it's like no this is just stupid can we can we all agree this is a jedi would choose to do it's so stupid like it's not reckless it's dumb what's it like if someone categorize reckless that way I'd be fine with it but like I just I'm just sitting here like I don't even know what he thought would happen he's like I definitely knew it would all work out the way that it did like okay uh I I think too many people are distracted by the hello there and and just how awesome it is he just jumps right into chaos and it's like yeah but it's really dumb there is a fun meme yeah it's a fun meme hello there is a good one yeah let's talk just okay what are you doing these movies are insanely meme-y yeah that hard dude the meme value was off the charts so yeah uh grievous just says kill him so you so at that point I think it's safe to assume that he's just fine with everyone shooting but only the magna guards come from and of which Obi-Wan defeats the last one by chopping off his head a point that was made very clearly not the thing that kills them as a payoff for the opening but but you're forgetting something very important his leg was broken which is that no yeah his foot was smushed ah that's like all of his health gone uh so yeah you know but those get it knocked out the rest of the droids like pull up their guns and grievous is like no like I'm gonna kill him it's like oh okay um again I just want to highlight every one of those droids firing once yes they would be crossfire and collateral damage but Obi-Wan's dead so yeah unless he jumps or does some you know crazy shit but yeah he just hoped I guess that Grievous would 101v1 him and that he would beat him um it's strange it's just really strange but it all does work out pretty well uh the choreography for the Grievous Obi-Wan fight sucks it is there's a lot of a lot of openings that are not taken advantage of there's a lot of not force powers being used there's a lot of just I just don't believe it a lot of close-ups so that you don't have to show all the lightsabers that are being used um Obi-Wan should have had a lot more difficult time with this sorry that too this is a scenario yeah there's a scenario where this guy is four lightsabers and four arms I have one I need to play this differently I can't just fight him one on one I need to do something clever I need to haul back I need to try and use the environment to my advantage I need to do something to give myself a leg up in this fight I can't just 1v1 him his lightsabers I've got four lightsabers to deal with I'm fucked there's nothing I can do of course Grievous just moves them all in the same motion most of the time if I remember yeah and then right at the beginning there's just clearly time spent with the two lightsabers doing nothing yeah yeah oh yeah they're just not being used and uh yeah they they wanted to make this work it doesn't work I'm sorry you needed to do all the things Ragsad basically like create a whole bunch of bonus scenarios that Obi-Wan uses because it can't beat him in one on one I know loads of people think this is so fucking badass as a fight but I honestly think it kind of sucks it's really lame and it makes Grievous look kind of shit it does well Grievous is kind of shit but he shouldn't be he's a fucking Jedi assassin it's like he he should be like terrifying but he's kind of just like a clown especially after that this all happens because like there's a couple more bits as well but yeah um so the clones randomly appear literally like teleported in there is nothing they're just here now there's nothing to do with them and then suddenly there's loads of LAATs and loads of troopers just around and it's like what how and it's like yeah how'd you get here the ships arriving out of hyperspace would be enough to you'd have droids being like Sarah like red alert there's no way they sneak in they roll down they had to set up propells how did they do that how could this have possibly gotten to this level without any alerts happening really strange but yeah all our war begins basically and it's this this this bizarre fucking moment I was highlighting we were watching it but Grievous has lost two arms and his whole area is under attack from a clearly like he's outnumbered that is like you're doomed Obi-Wan it's like what it's really become much harder for you to say that much harder yeah he was doomed maybe before but now I mean Obi-Wan's probably okay if now yeah and yeah all Obi-Wan does is just use the force Grievous is fucked he's lost both of his lightsabers and you kind of just like he's gonna life with that yeah yeah that's probably the opening move actually you know just say it and yeah so Grievous lands into a thing falls down and then Obi-Wan like jumps down and then Grievous just like actually takes some time to move into his car set it up and launch it and Obi-Wan's just kind of watching him just like hmm and it's like bro the force use the force I mean he's a tell these people useful um yeah and then they they get into the little chase I think yeah we go we go to the the moment where Samo Jackson is like things feel bad bro feel like feel like Jett are about to all be killed it's like oh so anyway moving on yeah because I think oh yeah in fairness Samo Jackson is like if the emperor doesn't or if Palpatine doesn't give up his powers we will have to take control of the senate and then Yoda's like and so there's a level of like you know the yeah the Jedi aren't exactly helping out in terms of optics here like they they definitely the team of like well we're the good guys so we take control of stuff okay yeah and I think if they played that up more to show that there's reason for everyone to be like yeah the Jedi are kind of flimpy if um if the public were aware that the Jedi just decide that their opinion is top tier whenever there's a complication and everyone must follow their orders they just get inside yeah there's no checks and balances when it comes to the Jedi who watches the Jedi there you go we do in the Star Wars movies and then we go oh what are you doing mad why what are you doing trying not to sing too hard about the prequel trilogy Jedi because they become kind of horrifying very quickly yeah there's there's lots of sort of new mad no you got a what god a new mad again oh i'm sorry tell them all about this yesterday the yeah then the ad said a real noomer that was like the name of so oh no it's noom the ab but anyway let's continue uh how does he just say he's a Sith Lord to Anakin by the way you know he was like I think it's time judging from the other conversation I think I'll be fine yeah I mean I think I was going to do this like a year from now but you know this guy's an idiot I could tell him any and so he does and Anakin's like you'll be arrested you're a bad man you're behind all of the war you're bad and then he's like Anakin bro buddy remember that time we talked about the play guess the wise man wasn't that great he's a good and bad they're just words man like yeah by the way fun life tip if anyone ever tells you that in real life that's not a good person the villain look out the villain the villain yeah and so Anakin is like I'm gonna get you arrested and then Palpatine's like you do whatever you have to do just remember I can save life and life I can save the sand you know that girlfriend of yours slash wife slash baby mama you go I could save her but you know if I'm in jail or whatever man yeah and we're all like wow what will Anakin decide who knows oh my goodness Grievous and Obi-Wan continue to battle in like a weird sci-fi car chase where Grievous refuses to use his best weapon until right at the end and Obi-Wan is like awkwardly not using the force it's just weird the whole fight and then they have their close combat fight which is probably the best part of their three-phase battle except I think Obi-Wan's probably got a little bit of plot armor here in terms of when you get punched and kicked in the face by a robot that you're staying awake after that's gonna be tough um yeah do you know why the fight ends because Obi-Wan remembers he has the force oh that sounds useful mm-hmm wow amazing because he's already used it on Grievous but he just doesn't and he's like actually I will now and grabs the gun with it and Grievous gets fucking melted from inside out kind of pretty rough even his his eyes like pop open with fire yeah he kicks off like a tank poor guy we hardly knew ye like literally um and then Obi-Wan there was a part of the fight where Obi-Wan just takes the opportunity to rip open his chest by the way that was kind of strange Grievous just lets it happen no you might want to consider a more protective armor that is linked in such a way that you can't just rip it open with your bare hands like like it's seal especially if it's his heart you know yeah god damn um and then we got another bizarre scene for this movie where Anakin is like uh yeah Popteen's the uh the Sith Lord and soundjax is like huh well I guess we'll go arrest him let's go get him yeah I guess uh oh okay well you want to you want to hit the Starbucks on the way out you want a coffee it's like uh I'm right like okay yeah you want uh what about you yeah no I can I can use a coffee all right well we're getting coffee just show you that what what anyone anybody Pokemon this is um if what you have told me is true you will have gained my trust I always found that funny too it's like is he okay you don't trust me like we're like but at least you're over about it now you know there's no confusion start talking to you like oh bro I really like you because but that's fine you're kind of neat I guess you don't really I mean um and yeah so soundjax and a bunch Jedi get on um an LAAT with the intention of going to arrest Palpatine but I'm guessing they really do stop for Starbucks because the timeline here doesn't quite make sense otherwise not um it was day and then they're there at night Mace had some more taxes to do before it's a long way there's literally our only choices to assume yeah they had maybe there was there was three Jedi there they have four when they get there so maybe they had to go find that extra one they were like we really need you bro and they just killed instantly I couldn't find him he was out somewhere and then he was out yeah he was at Starbucks also ordering something because Jedi don't do a lot of stuff oftentimes that's just they're just hanging out hey we're gonna go arrest Palpatine turns out he's a Sith Lord so whenever you're done with that uh come and help us it'll be great Starbucks probably has a Jedi discount because they're out of that oh yeah at the time best customers little how the Jediers are there and their laptops with their earbuds ear pods on writing their stories running a screenplay um and yeah like it's a bit hard to imagine a reason that they would have taken so long when they just found out that this entire war has been orchestrated by a Sith Lord that's in the Republic it was also like yeah I don't know how you like if so it was like well I would like to go to toilet first he's like bro you just fucking pee off the ship we need to go we gotta get this done no no I'm I'm no man I got like I'm fucking crowning right now I've got to use the Lou I will be back out in just a second I know it's important but maybe the LAATs have a little toilet maybe they do a little Lou in the back some other guys like can you guys turn the LAAT around I left the oven on oh no can you call you gonna burn down the Jedi temple so yeah we got a couple scenes of sad everyone's pretty sad being sad about stuff thinking thinking about things montage with the music until we get to nighttime and Anakin's like no for the sake of Padamu I must go to pulpitism and protect him from the evil potential death that the Jedi will deliver to him and if you didn't see the next scene you'd be like well it's too late obviously they've already done whatever they were gonna do right it's like no no they just started they just like yeah yeah and then memes well you know it's a fun back and forth a little bit just just I'm a fuck you up these like I'll fuck you up it's like oh and then Palpatine kills like three of these Jedi Knights instantly really disappointing to see I am more than happy for Palpatine to outplay them but not like that where he just no he kills him he just stabs him he just stabs him by himself because you could even yeah you could even have it so that he's like very well arrest me and like two Jedi woke up to him and then just immediately yeah there's the little assassin blade lightsaber and slices down two of them and it's just like fuck like that could be way better as a surprise attack instead of just I have a lightsaber here it is now here I go jump an atcha with my Maria whoa their fight is like a little bit awkward because this is yeah Palpatine yeah body faces his face every time he's doing it he's doing it they both pull him pull him how did Palpatine like practice how was he good so good at lightsaber fighting no all right spa was dooku yeah spare time he just you know show practices despite being an alt man you know um but yeah you know fair dues you have these moments where like they're doing things that they couldn't possibly do the actors and then it's from their backs or because they've got faces CGI'd on to them yeah and unless you do some pausing you can mostly pass the smell and hearing test as well as I it's past all the test but they try as you as the same thing was happening for Chrisfully they try and have moments where they can have the actors just you know actually trying to move the lightsabers but they're usually very simple moves yeah it's just try and keep your mists in these things yeah I appreciate it like even when they lock blades and they're both just doing their grunty faces he's like he but yeah they have they have Windu actually beat him which is an interesting choice I guess the power level wise Windu is just supposed to be we assume he's like the best sword fighter out of everybody basically I mean yeah I mean it doesn't surprise me that if if it's just about sword fighting I bet a lot of people could probably beat Darth Sidious maybe he's more like force-oriented or something I don't know you knocked out the three Jedi pretty quick right but nice Windu just beat him they were he did I think the it's there's just stuff to further explore would have been neat in terms of establishing like top tier people for different reasons and they've maybe focused on different things because I know a lot of people right now in the future chat will be like yeah there's there's sets there's like what is it fighting styles for Jedi and stuff yeah to focus on different things it's like yeah if only you don't have to do like a little movie but you could have been neat to have explored some of that and how it all works dynamically and stuff um yeah he gets him with a kick too it's not even like it's just I guess Windu's pretty pretty good fighter including even even kicks I'm sure Samo Jackson had a lot of fun with this couldn't say motherfucker though you know he wanted to you know he wanted to and we get a little little reflection of the Count Dooku seem where he's like this guy is too dangerous to be left alive which is what Palpatine said about Dooku can you believe it but Palpatine's like oh no don't kill me I don't please don't and so he attacks Macewood do with light-egg move Macewood deflects it into his face and it turns into a creepy monster um as it does I don't know that we will ever have confirmation of what we're supposed to take from that exactly Palpatine got crippled by it or he was a spooky alien or a shapeshifter of some kind and that's just it not maintaining don't know don't know that it really matters that much but uh it's just I just find it funny that he's like I can't hold it Eddie Logger he's the one that's essentially attacking himself at that point yeah stop or at least learn from this experience yeah don't do it again with somebody in the sequels which um yeah Palpatine's just not had a good record with uh just even even in the O.T. it really is yeah it's like he specked into it and it's he just really wants to get his he doesn't really like it he clearly messed up and he can't you know you know take his skill points back so he's trying desperately to use that whenever he can yeah um and so yeah it's uh Mace Williams considering killing him and then there's this line I think you highlighted this where we watched it rags like Attigan's like he must stand trial and it's like all right that's a pretty normal thing to say considering the circumstance and then he's like nah and goes to swing and then Attigan says I need him and it's like I'm sorry what like I'm like no yeah you you you need him uh what what is it that you mean Attigan yeah can you explain um and you know I like it had had uh had my swindler just like stabbed instead of swinging that would have might have gotten him yeah well you think you would have stabbed in that scenario but I guess they do that a lot with lightsabers where they like try and put a lot of swing into it when it's like that thing is like a billion degrees you'll be fine yeah you don't need to swing forces are relevant you just move it through yep so forces are relevant they barely use it that's that's oh oh hey see we got whoa everybody so I wonder about this moment if Palpatine was actually at the whim of Attigan here in terms of if you look at a frame by frame when windows bringing the lightsaber down it looks like Palpatine might be prepping to just launch some more lightning it's unclear could also be that he's just terrified but it's just it would be interesting to me to think that he really did gamble everything on Attigan saving him yeah like damn I like to believe Palpatine's a bit more selfish in the regard of like he'll have a backup plan no matter what in case people don't do the things he wants him to do I don't know I mean his plan does seem to me throughout the PT to be comprised a lot of improv and rolling with the punches when he had things he hadn't accountable happens and so then we begin what is probably the biggest problem of this movie Attigan is like right there that I'm evil oh what all right this one killing Mace Windu or rather chopping his hand off to save Palpatine it's like I think there's much there's this room for that I'm totally okay we're talking about that one but then he's like all right we need to wipe out the Jedi and he's like I'll do whatever you ask like you will it's really if I done to I'll do whatever you ask and then doubles down into that's wouldn't it what the fuck is going on in his head to steal man as best I can I think someone here would be like well that's the point right he's he's like what have I done and he's like well I've gone far enough now that I should go the full way and I'm just like yeah but there's a difference between what he just did remember remember what the full way is telling all the men and the women and the children in the the full way and that's the thing someone will probably be like well yeah Theo he's done it before you know killed all the women and children and the sand people so there you go which was also weird in attack of the clothes he's like I killed the children and Padme's reaction would be like okay that's okay we all mess up yeah that's not the horizon this was the this was the moral event horizon that again yeah I look forward it's like you can't come back you know can't be focusing on the past come back for him really that was so many minutes ago you can't dwell on that yeah and so um you just want to call a spade a spade I think this this moment right here where he's just like let's kill all the Jedi it's assassination for a little old Anakin sorry people know this is our take they've known it for a while they're just reaffirming it I think it's probably the biggest problem with revenge of the Sith um it's a vulnerable character right yeah because you know the whole goal of the prequels was to show how this good man became Darth Vader it's like you didn't really in that you kind of skipped a whole bunch of steps unfortunate but you know we're running out of time we literally got an hour left fucking arc like all right bit of hurry um yeah and he puts on his fucking hood he looks like satan he's just like it's time to kill everyone and Anakin's like okay ah fair enough in for a penny in for a pound you know and remember what he tells Anakin of the scene to reassure him that this is the right decision is I'm sure we'll uncover the secret of how to save Padme it's like wait what do you be at you ah what the the you know what I thought you said you knew like when I was you knew I've been bamboozled yeah damn you played me like a damn fiddle um and so we begin uh the order 66 set of scenes which is a mixed bag in terms of some great moments and somewhere like wait what yeah and some luck too right so I guess we'll try and do oh yeah in something that resembles an order awesome music though yeah uh awesome music throughout this film it's great um definitely very good music fun oh by the way though for future chat fun fact none of the prequels were nominated for best original score that is that is bizarre all of the sequels were yay that is also bizarre none of the prequels yeah so revenge of the sip did not get nominated despite the fact that it's I think it has the best soundtrack in the whole series do you get the sense of just the obligatory nature of it's it's the Star Wars movies we have to nominate them so the thing is is that I'm okay with the the sequels getting nominated but like I'm not okay with them getting nominated and the prequels not that just feels weird to me it's a different time man because everybody taught Jewel of the Fates is like arguably the most like well one of the most iconic songs from Star Wars everyone loves it yeah from the app belongs to like that didn't get nominated for the score but just yeah I don't like that and I'm pretty sure wasn't it um I feel like I'm gonna fuck this up but I want to say it anyways the um the choir like John Williams was like nah the choir is too much and then and Lucas said nah put them in yeah whatever yeah when people who hate George Lucas's decisions I don't think they're gonna bring stuff like that up well oh not all yeah not all but yeah because when you think about uh because the prequels use the choir a lot um and I really like it well I think the choir makes uh duela fates that much more memorable yeah definitely but I mean in this one too because like Order 66 has got the choir as well as like oh yeah um you got some impacts yeah so for those who are listening to this without knowing what happens in Revenge of the Sith which feels literally like it's probably three people um Order 66 is just when the emperor is like okay clones kill all the Jedi um and so we open with that with with Obi-Wan now there's some events here that have to go exactly this way in order for Obi-Wan to survive this shit but basically he's like oh hey Commander Cody everything cool he's like yeah everything's cool he's like oh here's your lightsaber by the way oh cool okay bye and then they shoot at him because Order 66 happens and he falls into water he's okay like right yeah so first of all losing the lightsaber in such a way that people were able to pick it up and give it back to him that's already like fucking lucky bro um secondly getting it seconds before Order 66 is engaged yeah holy shit literally seconds well yeah literally seconds if Cody had gotten that call beforehand already fucked yeah it's like oh hey hey Cody oh you forgot this to shoot him in the face exactly yeah and then the fact that they shoot him with what looks to be pretty heavy artillery and it just screws with the wall that he's on yeah and then he falls down and doesn't die from the fall as well that's kind of like who a man hmm quite a tumble um and they do search for him but they don't do it fast enough that they can find him and they think oh do they search for him I'm trying to remember now they they do oh I think they said nobody could survive without fall but they're still looking for him which by the way nobody could survive without fall I'm just like I mean you want to check you got all these guys here you got all these dudes you know hanging out you might as well like just that one it's all very flimpy for me and it's clearly evidence Obi-Wan's can't he can't die he literally can't die in this movie he dies later so he can't die here it's like sorry um but then we cut to what I think is a very nuts and bolts representation of exactly how this would go in the middle of fights being conducted across the universe where all these Jedi are working their asses off to win these wars with people that they've probably come to trust as teams and then they just get annihilated by them I'm sorry yeah the shot where they focus on the feet and they come to a halt it's like yeah and he's ready he's going into battle come on yeah let's go guys we got to go we got to go yeah yeah it is um so it's grand it could have been it could have been so much more powerful if we knew more about this but there is something on its own it's just so sad because like yeah yeah clearly like the fact that he's trying to rally them to fight and then they'll shoot at him it's like damn yeah and they'll look on his face when he turns around just like oh and you know Kiari Mundi is a Jedi master he does put up a little bit of a that's right because the clone wars you can't he's kind of bad it's just mind control chips so much potential we could have done so much I'm sorry what with prequels mind control oh right all right and the plan was they have this arc fairly late on about Order 66 essentially and the resultant conclusion is that there are chips in all of the clone's heads that when activated will just make them kill the Jedi why I just figured out there was an arc where the chips don't work properly right so one of them are yeah one of them malfunctioned and just shot a Jedi yeah and then they they that that uh man you think about everything because I haven't watched all of the clone wars but like you think about all of the stuff that is in canon well that happened in between episodes two and three everyone had somebody that he loved he had a whole relationship in the clone wars and she just never gets mentioned one of the main characters in the clone wars discovers like the entire conspiracy in this Order 66 arc like he finds out that Palpatine's you know the badman and stuff and he he is in a conversation with Anakin at one point and then of course they have to have him mince words and just not say what he knows in order to not know in order to what in order to not ruin the films but how does how does he not he's how does he mince the words enough like he's insane and he refuses to ever get to the point he alludes to big conspiracy blah blah blah and then never names and then he dies right right before and then he dies yeah of course okay and this isn't the only instance of something like this in the well and the big one was when they went to that crazy planet and like Anakin just flat out had the visions of all of what happens in episode three and then his memories get like erased so yeah we just had to erase the memories so great here comes another thread about you've missed all the context guys you're fucking it all up well yeah I mean in my defense oh my god I haven't watched it for a while but like I do remember that particular we're talking about episode three and not talking about the clover was all right you know my goodness so Alisa Kura is next she just gets beating the fuck up but uh this one's like probably the closer to some of the most edgy stuff in the prequels where it just shows them continuously shooting here after she's died it's like yeah that's a bit weird calm down well I guess you got to make sure with these fuckers like the Jedi can be a bit much yeah then his name is Plo Coon Plo Coon is it Plo Coon or Coon? I think it's Plo Coon or Plo Coon it's either Plo Coon or Plo Coon it's either Plo Coon or Plo Coon pretty sure it's Plo Coon well he gets annihilated too Plo Coon gets fucking I don't even know yeah which it's times like this where you like plot armor doesn't it would normally get in the way but it doesn't because like this is the I guess the goal of the scene but it's also like oh thank fuck it feels a lot more grounded and actually how it would run if you are surprised attacked by your friendlies you're gonna get killed pretty much every time the element of surprise is insanely powerful well yeah unless you're in a situation where I mean and it explains why most of them died it's like yeah most of you are gonna get killed because of this there will be some lucky ones separated never see there'll be lucky ones who only have a couple of people like I mean Yoda well Yoda is super duper because he's clearly aware of what's happening yeah because this is gonna say the difference between Yoda and Obi-Wan scenes is that we know that Yoda has felt everybody dying which is too suspicious it's like and then two guys come up it's like hey Yoda let's have a chat so yeah Yoda Yoda does survive here because he can't die in these films but I think it's much more justified here than Obi-Wan's was I would say so yeah might have spent more than two guys to go kill Yoda though it's fucking Yoda I guess the problem is like what what does it mean for their instructions they just do it instantly basically as soon as they get the order it's like all right let's kill them right now well Cody remember he got the artillery battery to go look at the thing he enlisted the help of other people to help him with the task that's true I wouldn't want to undersell it like the clones are capable of developing strategy yeah yeah I suppose it's just assumed by what was that sorry makes you wonder why the Jedi are in charge of them in the first place I mean you kind of wonder about the logistics of all of this the hierarchies of all of this and so we get to the worst scene in the prequels yeah the worst scene I'm not a fan of people who try and defend this I feel like you're desperate you've got to get over it having Anakin and Islay a whole bunch of children we're talking literally like six to eight year olds no it's not happening no way never happening no it doesn't happen it it doesn't happen it can't happen not with two years at this point I'm killing children dude I would even hesitate to say that Vader would do that in that environment I know you're gonna people people would highlight well you he was okay with blowing up older on right and it's like okay put Vader in a room much less Christmas yeah put Vader in a room with a bunch of children who are terrified of him and I genuinely question whether or not Vader would just slice them all apart I don't know that he would do that I feel like he'd be like he would do that but Vader is more like yeah I think he'd question the need to do that yeah like he's a villainous bastard but I would expect the writers to have him do something other than simply kill them all he'd probably be like well yeah the the the amendments to this scene is that Anakin like doesn't do it he he's outside of the room or something he can't do it he can't go in there and then some clones just go in there and do it because they're much more like well yeah we've tried to come up with a bunch of alternatives that are so much better than this bullshit but like the one I think I want to see is that he actually tells them to hide he closes the door maybe even locks it and then he moves through the temple and we come back later to when he returns to the room to try and get them out of there he opens the door and they're both being killed it's coming out yeah he just sees clones coming out of it or something yeah that's the scene that I think we should have had and you can just have him realize that it's his fault that this has happened and that maybe he has gone to blah blah blah what I will accept I'm not a fan of it but I think it's way better than this is that he commands the troops to go and do the job for him because he can't I still don't like that though and I just I just think that this is it's too much yeah yeah yeah we've jumped too far we've gone from he was he was definitely a good guy you know person yesterday heroes just hours ago in what like three hours he's gone from that to like a monster a complete and out of monster completely okay was killing children in cold blood in fucking dumb stupid and ruins him completely in terms of understanding how could you have any empathy for this fucking character after that it's really hard to come back from executing many children who are asking for help it's like yeah at that point you know if if you have you cut out potential scenes where he encounters adults personally so that you could show that yeah we need to show scenes yeah you show this this is kind of like help me out and then he you know chops him in half and they're like holy shit and they all try and fight him and he's just he's fighting them and he's killing them but he's kind of struggling because he knows these people well yeah you have like you know the master of arms is at this place because of course they are and they're dealing really well with the clones and so Anakin is asked to defeat him and you could just have that moment where he comes into the room with the guy's like what the fuck are you doing and he's like yeah like they're actually yeah like these Jedi are actually able to hold back the clones because they're being organized and they're really good at their job God forbid and the one of the clones goes to him and says hey you know we got some Jedi up on the second floor range room or whatever we can't break through and it's like we need you to help us deal with it just let him talk to them a bit so that we can see a little bit more clearly what's actually going on in his head yeah yeah because they cut over to Padme at one point she's like crying and it's just like yeah I know like what you think the justification is movie it's not good enough no it's not yeah the idea that you want me to think this character values her life above all else including several children's lives or like I don't think that works you're gonna have to try out of that if you want to try that then you have to write a bit of romance absolutely I wish I mean one that's not shit well and you have to do all this by degrees this has to be the harshest thing that he does and this like genuinely it feels to me that this film thinks that this is second to the harshest the harshest being killing all the separatists the film treats that like it's the climax of his evil it's like fuck off it's way more gray to kill them in that room than it is to kill a bunch of children like what do you mean it's unbelievable the younglings had their chance they chose the wrong side when the jet when the Jedi fucking abducted them from the backwater planet that they were from that was their fault they vaccinated them yeah and so we get I've seen this a little bit strange so the angle here is that anyone who's trying to arrive at the Jedi temple is shoot away by the clones so that it's not to like people don't really know what's happening here and so maybe they can control the narrative and Bale Organa just pops in he's like hey when the clone's like no no no fuck off but during that random like Jedi student just jumps into frame and starts killing a bunch of clones and it's like wait what where you come from how the hell like if you look behind them in that scene there is so much like room that you'd be able to see him coming for a mile away but he's like he just teleports it and he's like blah blah blah I'm here to save the day but I think we're supposed to interpret it as he's just a Jedi who's trying to get out of there I guess maybe and the point is like the clones didn't want don't want people to know that's what's happening here even though it's like the clones are assaulting the Jedi temple they're saying when strangers arrive they say there's been a rebellion we know what's going on you're not doing a great job of hiding it and then this is like all right uh and I think it's I don't know just to give us more reason to understand Bale is like a good guy he's a good yeah like oh no this is the evil empire um and yeah so now we're doing like just recovery mode for a little bit all of our heroes try to team up do you remember the shot where it's just like Obi-Wan I think they're like no one could have survived that fool that it just shows Obi-Wan is watching them from like fuck me I'll set you a screenshot because I think one of you guys was just like wait what like man you don't look very hidden here Mr. Obi-Wan no just saying and like you're like still out of the Jedi Jedi kind of he's so close so casual um yeah he he runs off to where Grievous was trying to escape and gets in his ship and leaves now we had several comments for this we were watching it first being they confirmed Grievous was dead which signified the end of the war back in Coruscant so are we going strictly from Obi-Wan confirming it or did nobody actually want to get the body because if they did you'd think they would have had like they would they would maybe for lack of a better term it would be like cordoned off as like an area that's really significant um yeah but okay the more egregious part to this for me is Obi-Wan escapes Utapau in a fucking CIS ship like that's the worst way to try and leave that place right now when it's Republic controlled but for some reason there's just nothing stopping him he just sort of leaves it's like there's there's nothing like there's a little CIS bomber I think is the the type of I remember from the games yeah yeah that's what they used for the bombers so what the hell like like what what should happen is the maximum benefit someone should radio to him be like identify yourself but really he just be shot down yeah I mean there is basically still a war going on yeah and there's the shot where he's exiting Utapau there's no capital ships it's like what happened there was loads of Amelia I guess they are I guess they're done it's like all right guys we got to top of Utapau we we got it this is the kind of shit like okay we're gonna go home bothers me sometimes it's like yeah I know we got to get Obi-Wan out of this place and over back to Carson but like this is just cheating episode one realized blockades were a thing episode one in that movie bismol and then a funny thing that I think this is the first time we we talked about this particular criticism but you have Bail Organa the senator sends Obi-Wan a message saying come to this area there's been a horrible thing happening where Jedi are getting killed come come to me and Obi-Wan's like okay all right this is like you got it what like why would you trust to like seriously why would you trust him but yeah why trust anyone at all like if it were Yoda I'd maybe say yeah maybe Yoda yeah it's like even then we know that they can like fabricate this stuff and we were talking about Phantom Menace they literally send one of these types of things with a similar message and Qui-Gon is like it's a fucking lie don't send a message back they're trying to trap us it was Obi-Wan Obi-Wan says that I think you're right I think it is Obi-Wan specifically it is actually Obi-Wan he was wiser and his youth yep but of course they were thinking about that when they wrote that see it was we need to get Obi-Wan to go back to a particular place so let's just have Bailogana said the message it's like yep why would he believe it why would he trust this fine we'll just move on Anakin's like Padme it's great everything's real great I'm gonna do one more thing and everything's gonna be super great and that is going to Mustafa and then Obi-Yoder and Bailo Bumbo like we gotta change the message in the Coruscant to repel Jedi instead of attract them and Bailogana is invited to the Senate for a big old speech it's just like oh my god this third act here she comes Anakin even says to R2 to wait by the ship but I always when he goes to Mustafa I always interpreted that as being like I'm about to do some evil shit I don't need to see it okay how don't you judge me because R2 would be like man this is weird get deep sadly yeah what what did you do in the Jedi temple and Anakin's like I just find it's not anything really I know some weird stuff have it it was really all confusing I was attacked by many children yeah self-defense bro they're deadly in large groups did they have knives it's like they had lightsabers okay lightsaber knives little tiny ones um but yeah so the scene with the sabrosist is the kind of shit that I way prefer in terms of showing us someone declining from good to bad it's like a bunch of bad guys who led the part of the war and you've got them in one place you know and they've got droids they with guns it's like yeah there's a reason to kill them simultaneously they're all begging for their lives and they want the war to end it's like hmm and so he's just wiping through them and it's like that's the kind of thing I would probably push from to do late into his transition into being evil but the thing is we just did the children thing so it just feels awkward I'm just like yeah I already know that it's all yeah it's all downhill from here in terms of like importance there's no there's no moral event horizon exactly yeah we murdered all the children yeah I can't stress that enough like trying to portray the scene is shocking to me with the separatist doesn't work I'm just like it's all shocking at all I feel like it's maybe if the separatists were children like it was bring your kids to work day oh no and he had to kill all of them children and adults he had to kill all of the children he starts with the children that's what he does he starts with the children so the parents have to watch it and then he kills all the parents you know you make some jokes there but like let's remove the children's seed from the Jedi temple and imagine he wipes out all those separatists at that point in the film and there is what one of them has their son slash daughter with them yeah father is the war over are we going home to see mother no bitch everyone's just dead in the room I mean you can probably make a pretty good seat out of that I'm not even kidding you you yeah like I my my silly jokes are far better than the shit that's in this movie I think and honestly the separatist killing scene is fine in isolation but in the in reference to what we've seen already it doesn't just doesn't work for me I'm just like yep there he goes killing more people that's yeah yeah he was gonna do that um and then Obi-Wan is like where is he Padme he's like does he just outright refuse to say oh just say she doesn't know I can't remember because he ends up just stowing away in his ship I think he sneaks on no he does I just can't remember what she tells him does she say she won't tell him where Anakin's gone she doesn't tell him anything yeah all right well either way oh yeah there you go so they there's that but where they after he kills the separatists Anakin sheds a tear it's like bad and you know it's almost like the tears for all the actions rather than yeah maybe that's it I'm sure that's that's the best interpretation it's just man the fucking logistics here like placing this here this should be after the children's scene 100% if you're gonna put it anyway I just don't think that scene should have been here anyway but I don't know you should be doing this again it just feels out of order to be like wait what now you're crying fuck you yeah okay gunray we go way back and yeah I am skipping a lot here but I feel like we'll be able to talk more about each of these things as they come up in the video that we'll cover so you know we'll get more out of it it's all right the bad may arrives and then we get what is probably the other contender for the worst dialogue ever in the prequels oh fuck it's all so so first drafts it's all so bad yeah it's all I just want to get the point across for the draft I'll just write this in we'll we'll finalize it later of course we'll go through the entire thing and we'll you know redraft this dialogue over and over sort of this is fine someone that stuck out to me more bizarrely this time around and almost ever is what he just randomly is like I'll kill the emperor we could rule the galaxy it's like I was like yeah what where that come from like really like you really do that remember he says something like that to luke an empire you're like well like what are you jeez is that really an interest of yours he just likes offering people that that's his thing he just wants to play co-op games all right yeah and like he's so he says it so positively like I can overthrow him that we rule yeah and so the way that George wanted this scene to go was that Anakin is like talking about all these wonderful things with her but she's realizing the underlying parts of all of it that he's a fascism and so she's sad you're like yeah yeah okay I mean there's not much else could happen here I'm just like you're breaking my heart bro you killed younglings then then of course everyone steps out longer you're with him you're with him you brought him here to kill me it's so awful you turned against me we've cranked it's outside yourself the only way this dialogue could be justified is something he would say is if like he's completely lost his mind and like only wants to say exactly how he feels about any consideration for anything it's just like oh yeah is it impossible he'd say these things it's like no but it's not possible but but he's said something a little less shit I love the the delivery of you're with him you're with him and yeah uh I feel like it's just worth cranking both of these like Padme and Obi-Wan to just just keep telling you killed younglings bro like I don't know what leg you have to stand on right now you just you know you can be all like oh you guys are against me it's like kill children you're out we can rule together did you need to kill the children for us to do that because he never denies that and I just feel like it's something she should be more concerned about because if he's done that it's over you should probably confirm it it wasn't over when he killed you know all of the sand people you know you're actually it's a very good point I'm sorry she's a very bizarre character that Padme is very interesting yeah they do they're back and forth they're famous back and forth that includes it is famous if you're not with me they're you're by enemy yeah and uh this is only a sith deals in absolutes which has been memetal and back as well yeah that's that's the kind of thing you catch in editing like you know the argument goes that's an absolute so that's pretty dumb right and what's wrong with certain absolutes but then the counter is like well that's part of the point is the Jedi hypocritical and you're like is that was that the idea that's just him no I don't think that's the point I think that's what we pull from it to make it work better we give it yeah they believe when it was written that that is an accurate statement well I've seen the defense of like no he says on your sith deals in absolutes get it because because Anakin is currently dealing in it while Obi-Wan is just commenting on the situation or something like that no I don't know I just know that there's plenty of people who are like no it works actually it's like okay yeah there's plenty of people who would attend a lot of things about the prequels yes all I got for that is it's just yeah sloppy so then they have their fight and I guess I just recommend Shad's video going over it there's a lot of very complicated and very accurate choreography throughout it it's a cool fight I like it the Yoda and pro one is a lot more to do with the force and therefore mostly does work like there's not much in it that's to be criticized too much I don't know I don't know else we should comment on with these ones it's just Yoda being like I'm gonna beat you up and the emperor is like no and they fight I'm gonna beat you up and then yeah they fight and it's kind of a stalemate but in favor of Palpatine especially with guards coming yeah um I like you know Obi-Wan's fight is fucking long the acid move the stays yes it is just keeps on going and uh we were saying we were watching it like the the moment where they get to have a conversation after a while like that should all just be cut it's awful yeah from my point of view I hear evil from my point of view the general evil is one of the worst lines it just ever I guess yeah ever it perfectly summarizes the point of writing dialogue that is character accurate as opposed to telling me what you have written the character to be yeah yeah I could picture George being like you see from Anakin's point of view the Jedi are actually evil he'd be like yeah so what I'll have him do is he'll say yeah so he'll say from my point of view the Jedi are evil because I think that from his point of view the Jedi are evil yes it's nice total logical bow because it let's just the simplest way I can explain this right is if he was like I was about to say check you know Anakin the Palpatine is evil so we need to change that line too for fuck's sake but just opening up the conversation that you're on the bad guy team and then you have Anakin respond like in relation to some atrocity or bad decision the Jedi have made and so someone would be like that wasn't a response to what Obi-Wan said these people aren't even making it's like well no the implication is that the Jedi are evil too or more evil and we don't do that with George Lucas dialogue a lot of time there's no they said a thing and what does that thing mean about the character's you know point of view so you don't get to do that because they just tell you their point of view sometimes as over it as saying this is my point of view yeah just that's fun from that makes me feel angry it's like it's it's that well the I don't know ironic the few trauma right yes you I you know characters shouldn't be just saying how they feel that makes me feel angry it's that but like not to joke and you know we at we at EVE have don't like to make hard and fast rules you definitely can't I love it have moments I love it where um you you characters can say something that over but uh they are such special circumstances yes yeah there's a time and place for it but this this ain't it this ain't it a lot of dealing with it or talking about it in some sense is when you get someone to be that candid you know like children children will say that you know what he says like if i want to do Jedi or evil um everyone's responses will then you are lost it's like wouldn't everyone have a little bit of a like wait why what you think the Jedi are evil why evil you were you were one of us yesterday yeah what happened the hell happened what did he tell you and the thing is how many children did we kill in a room I don't think that they've justified that position at all like why does Anakin think the Jedi are evil because Palpatine said so there's no reason to think they are yeah because Palpatine said so and because he's annoyed because yeah what's evil about the Jedi uh they're creepy cult the kid looks like they're plotting you can't even like unlike Palpatine if someone was like well you know Anakin might be able to argue like Sam and Jackson was gonna totally wipe out Palpatine without fair trials like he did that to Dooku so no yeah and so it killed Mace Windu without a fair trial I killed him without a fair trial and you know meanwhile we could have had like two and a half movies worth of sowing mistrust with Anakin for the Jedi not only with with stuff that's true that's twisted but also lies and um enough personal grievances as well yeah just just and pile it all on and a lot of it comes out in their final conversation but instead it's just like I'm pretty sure they're evil so I'll fuck you then it's like oh that was the conversation why was that even in the movie was it to was it to make sure that we understand the positions of these two characters just so we're clear guys halfway through the lightsaber fight yeah one of them thinks Jedi are cool the other one doesn't okay it'll like yeah yeah tell me how they feel because I can't figure it out how they would come to have felt this way myself um so yeah I hate that conversation as well I don't um I don't hate the one with with Obi-Wan being sad while talking to Anakin as he's fucking well not bleeding to death because he's cauterized but yeah yeah he's trying really hard while robbing him so yeah that's a different thing about like you wonder about Obi-Wan's position here he's like he needs Anakin to be killed right he needs him to be dead that's like a goal that's the way why he's here right yeah yeah that is why he's here he doesn't really doesn't really confirm that he just hopes that he's dead yeah and in a really painful way well and so I was gonna say so you've got that then you've also got Obi-Wan he is suffering man he is burning to death while having lost all of his limbs it's like maybe you could you know maybe just put him out of his misery maybe not just love him and then leave plus Palpatine's gonna be come by coming by looking for him probably there is a chance he'll survive and continue to be I'm like Obi-Wan watches it for a decent about a type sort of just like well sucks to be you all right see you buddy is that supposed to try and imply that he's trying to like work himself up to it but he can't bring himself to do it maybe so I was gonna bring that in as the counter that's the best I think you can make of that situation that Obi-Wan just didn't have the balls to kill him he's like eh I'm not I'm not sold no I'm not sold either you need to just have it be that during the fight something happens where Anakin like falls into the lava or something I would just go as far as saying that Obi-Wan has watched him kill a whole bunch of children he knows he's responsible for destroying the entire Jedi order yeah like Obi-Wan is probably gonna be f***ing furious with him to the point of absolutely executing him but um you know we gotta that's that's just the way it happened um yeah and so then Palpatine gets gets all Anakin into a little hopstitle bed and you have a fun there clipping your toenails they're free yep oh is it not loud again all right is that what you're actually doing yes oh my goodness hey look all right no I don't encourage good self-care all right so anyway this guy is just everyone's while you just hear the I don't know it's that loud every single time I forget how loud it is oh this is great for the lore yeah people will make things about no so anyway you have this like whoa the Padme's like on a bad crying while giving birth while Anakin's on a bed crying while he's getting his limbs attached like oh it's like the same time she's dying though you see though his hatred carries him through that procedure while her sadness kills her well he's gaining body parts and she's losing body parts like do you call a baby a body part I mean if it if like you're pregnant and it's inside of you I mean it is connected to you yes so would you consider a tumor a body part oh in a sense baby's a tumor is confirmed kind of no tumors are quiet yeah so yeah the Darth Vader's all made up she dies of sadness oh man he dies of sadness there you go again this just feels like something we've discussed already before many people disagree with us I know the arguments this is like it's not no his broken heart plus the stress of the pregnancy plus the crazy theory that the emperor fucking sucked her life powers and put it into Darth Vader to save him and kill her what the fuck that's a thing it's a theory yeah we've talked about what you've had before the emperor sucked her life force and that's why Vader survived that's awful okay well there's just not enough in the film to support it let's be honest yeah they made that up they make a lot of things up to make these films better yes they do and then we have the epic no no terrible terrible terrible terrible decision it is awful what was they thinking they weren't they were not they were not thinking and then we just sort of wrap up it's like she died that's why she's not in the fucking ot he's Vader now they're building the death star talking pops in it's like that's all stuff you remember and Leia goes to older on Luke goes to Tatooine and credits just just she got to be the queen like basically the royalty on some beautiful wonderful planet and Luke's like nah he could be on Tatooine he's from fucking whatever the shit holes like oh man but hey do you have Tatooine's or I am sure they have like fun little games like bowling a cup bowling a cup yeah like I said we'll probably talk more about these things as we go through Blinka's video but that that is revenge of the Sith and I can't feel comfortable in saying anything other like it's not very good like it isn't very good yeah it is it is unfortunately not even mediocre no I don't I don't think it matches up to the level of mediocre I'm afraid no if if we're gonna be consistent which we are going to be I wish it were better it has the potential to be amazing there's things I like in it but like I I hate the fact that it's like none of this stuff counters the fact that it's got so much awful in it there's just so many little pieces that are really neat and I think that it can distract a lot of pieces yeah it's a huge mixed bag of stuff but unfortunately the bad does outweigh the good and a lot of that is just due to execution of concepts yeah but in an alternate universe they could be refined and they could be really made to be something great and ain't this version unfortunately what do you guys have to say on in regard to you prefer that the peoples exist or not exist I prefer they exist I think I prefer that they exist too yeah for even it's easy I definitely prefer they exist with all the stuff that it spawned particularly all the games and all of the just the spin-offs and the way that it really brought a whole bunch of life and a whole new era to this universe and I think it added a lot of really excellent stuff to the Star Wars mythos the movies aren't good but I think in terms of the health of Star Wars I think they did a good thing for Star Wars and imagine if we didn't have them to appreciate but the sequels had come out oh my god Star Wars would have been considered like it just got tanked completely from the great to just awful instead of great to yeah to just awful yeah because there's just like nothing to like about the sequels or shit yeah but at least the prequels you could say this was good and this was good and this was good and this was good yeah it's it's a really good backdrop even if the characters and the plot is is flimpy it's like the Hobbit sort of where I'm like I'm I'm fine that they happened I'm glad they happened I think it's just not as good as yeah there's just they're not nearly as good as the Lord of the Rings but I'm glad that they happened you know if they didn't have all the influence like if we just look at them as movies on their own would you say that you're happy they exist just these on their own yeah I would I think I would too I mean the meme value I would not oh there you go I do not like these films do you consider them as scar on Star Wars uh yes think about Darth Vader he's a whiny brow kills children that was before I don't know that I've ever been satisfied by that argument myself I feel like every every big villain is gonna have a a child in teenage life right I guess the thing is I've never found it hard to compartmentalize Darth Vader from Anakin and their prequels no I understand that it's just I could also understand the reverse I can understand that yeah the portrayal of his fall is the thing to me like I agree his fall is not well executed that's what the prequels are all about uh there is yeah there is no like you remember the Darth Vader that uh Obi-Wan talks about in A New Hope yeah we didn't get that yeah that person doesn't exist and he was a good friend I was like no he wasn't or at least not from what we saw we did a way more time of those two being good friends like oh what he fucking backstabbed you at an instant there was nothing to it yeah yeah I I agree so this is the interesting thing I think there's damage to the OT as a result of the prequels compare that to the damage the sequels did to the OT completely reverse them yeah because it's insane I think it's because the damage of the prequels is more self-contained than other sequels sequels really hurt the OT whereas the prequels kind of I think there's some more of a there's some stuff that adds to the OT in some small ways I think I think maybe the reason why might just be because like the OT was the end so even though you had a beginning that was rough like the end yeah yeah is still there for you and it's like well no yeah now when you watch the OT and you watch the ending and they're all there with the Ewoks and they're smiling it's like they're all they're most of them are dead and they failed as well and they failed it would have arguably been better if the empire just kept ruling the galaxy yeah if you guys just fucking stood in line the whole bunch of people would have lived prosperously maybe even oh gosh everything everything in style was pretty much fucked now we know this like the MCU yeah Revenge of the Sith so I guess that leads us to part two of this oh boy this wonderful adventure oh it took us three hours because that's the thing I think it's pretty clear that we're not very in a hurry I was gonna say we're not like very positive about Revenge of the Sith no it's not good yeah I'd say we're more negative than our community will be happy to see but I mean what are we gonna do not tell you what we think I don't think so but there are people who are a lot less positive about it and uh we're gonna check one of them out today for the first time ever if you have covering red leather media this video isn't oldie it is it's it's a classic if you will it's got a lot of respect as being foundational for starting up the different kind of because like he wasn't the first person to review stuff but he was he's he's almost considered to be like one of the highest quality of its time sort of thing which is probably true loads more effort went into it and loads more writing advice is in here as opposed to just look how dumb this thing is which is much more popular back then he's got one for phantom menis and attack the clones we're probably not going to be able to watch them because we're probably not going to be able to watch I don't even know if we'll be able to pull off this one completely it is an hour and 40 minutes but I do know that lots of it skits so we'll be fine in that regard you know what I mean uh yeah sure um but yeah I haven't seen this video in so long that I remember portions and bits and bobs but I don't remember a lot of it so I don't remember a lot of it either this is going to be a strange experience Fring have you seen this video before I haven't no what about your video I have seen this video before all right well I have positive memories of Plinkett's prequel videos so I wonder how things may or may not change but um yeah without let's just get started I suppose yep Star Wars Episode 3 is the most disappointing thing since Star Wars Episode 2 what kind of an intro is that you say well sure I think it's hard to be disappointed anymore when your expectations are so low they're right next to fucking dinosaur bones oh it's low so like uh correct me from wrong he basically just said like it's pretty hard to be disappointed and yet the third one is even more disappointing than because he in his second video he said like two is more disappointing than one it makes it sound like three is actually the worst which it isn't it's it's I think it's easily the best it's definitely the best definitely the best yeah it is it is definitely the best and I would say that one is the worst I think yeah I think that's what we concluded I can honestly it's not a super yeah it's not a super strong statement but I do think that there's more redeeming about the um attack of the clones than Phantom Menace Phantom Menace has very very little of value I think we're all went to see this movie just to get it over with or it was like an obligation like going to your stupid daughter's college graduation people are really excited for revenge of the Sith people are through the roof excited I remember the era it's the they knew Vader's coming I was gonna say I'm pretty sure a lot of people remember prequels were pretty well received when they came out yeah it was it was actually because it was the Plinkett reviews that kind of started to change the consensus yeah you know it's gonna suck but I wouldn't want to deny the fact that he might have felt this way when he saw them oh sure sure yeah but you gotta go just to get it over with now fuck that metaphor this was like going to an autopsy you know it's dead and nothing's gonna change that but you gotta do an autopsy to find out what killed it or who killed it so that's what this review is gonna be an autopsy video about Star Wars page in Dr. Plinkett Dr. Plinkett is then I'm here someone passed the Vikings no wait we need ambience well we sure need something and for the record I'm gonna give this movie an honest review and analysis I'll point out anything that's good if I find it but still a lot of you will claim that I'm one of those people that says George Lucas ruined my childhood now that's just crazy talk George Lucas didn't ruin my childhood fucking polio did number one what were you expecting asshole before we start let's recap a little on the whole prequel thing and how ruined six years of everyone's lives um it's yeah he's getting there he's just a lot of jokes now you know it's just funny to me I guess it was like ruined six years of everyone's lives damn everyone's life rough even starving African children in Cambodia now in short I'm gonna explain how everyone in the world felt ready number one the phantom minus first of all right off the bat everyone thought the title was a joke everyone that was a real bad sign from the start don't recall that but then when you saw the trailer for the phantom minus it looked pretty good oh my god a new star wars movie current fucking believer the hype for this movie was insane I don't know why he said the phantom minus is like a joke of a title isn't it just I yeah I don't I don't recall it being you know a joke of a title phantom minus is much more a joke of a title yeah phantom minus or revenge it's much more campy right yeah it definitely is um phantom minus just makes you think there's a there's a spooky guy who's controlling some stuff doing some evil we don't know who it is who dat you know tackle clones is very straightforward hey awesome a young obi-wan Kenobi is fighting some weird alien dude with the red light saber oh a little kid well I'll give it a shot I guess well we don't know the role that this might have necessarily they need space sparrows oh what's up with that geisha looking chick that's kind of weird it doesn't really look like star wars should look but maybe it could be cool but wow this is kind of exciting I don't I don't know what that means like it that doesn't look like how star wars should look yeah I mean I'm down for new things so it's a well yeah it's a big big galaxy you know I think you just need to like elaborate on that a bit more because yeah actually see an angle to it like it's not within star wars as seen before visual profile or whatever the fuck but I need to explain why that's in what way and why that's not good yeah because even then you'd be like well there's gonna be plenty of things we haven't seen right yeah this is a big old universe absolutely it just makes sense to me that we'd see new stuff I it would be weird if we didn't yeah but um you know I'm not sure what he meant but that maybe he goes over in uh his Phantom Menace one and then you saw the movie oh number two attack of the clones so after the shock wore off we started to hear about the second film that was gonna come out things looked a little more promising stupid kid is gone there's something that looks like boba fat or maybe it is boba fat we see like early looking storm troopers or something we find out the title is called attack of the clones and you're like well okay it couldn't be worse than the Phantom Menace and it's not too much of a stretch from a title like the empire strikes back maybe we just needed to get used to it so hopefully things have improved so oh my god damn came time for the film he looks bad I guess I mean yeah this summer he's kind of pointless yeah a lot of it is just sort of if you say so kind of stuff yeah by this time we felt like a fucking battered housewife who keeps returning to an abusive husband again the first thing we knew was the title which of course you thought the obvious thing right that if you simply rearrange the letters in the word sit you could spell out a different word that just might predict what this movie was gonna be tishi which is Chinese for disappointed in the cooking of the duck meat but it also harkened back to the original title of Return of the Jedi which was supposed to be revenge of the Jedi but at the last minute Lucas had decided to change the title from revenge to return because he discovered that having a word with one less letter in it would save him nine hundred and sixteen dollars annually on the cost of printing the logo on countless t-shirts actual figure boxes and posters hey ink's not cheap kids the man runs the business however by 2005 Lucas had saved up well over a thousand dollars in his ink fund so he could afford that extra letter so you bought your ticket or he's snuck in the side door where people were leaving you got some popcorn or booze and you're ready to watch the third and final installment of the Star Wars prequels how bad could it really be oh you never thought you'd be laughing at the end did you laughing so hard you couldn't breathe was all this a big practical joke well we'll examine this in so many other things it's time to put on my rubber gloves yeah to be fair if we haven't really talked about it's like nobody points have been made yet it's mainly jokes yeah but yeah there hasn't been a lot of points some assertions here and there but nothing we're getting there I'm sure preamble let's have a look shall we trust me I'm a doctor kind of number two here we go again here we come again that's right here we go again when C-3PO said that and Jedi was meant to be like endearing like he was a little nervous but we're all excited about the adventure that awaited us this is where the fun begins you could say the same thing in regards to revenge of the Sith but with this movie it kind of meant it in like a painful way it's an actual here we go again because you've been tricked twice already but for some reason you need to see how it ends wait what heroes on both sides what carnival robots we call heroes they're referring to the robots yeah it's like because the two major teams in the galaxy you know already you've got the angle that there's gonna be rulers slash leaders that would be considered heroic related to like freeing you from the iron fist of the republic or whatever yeah that's how certainly how they'd frame it also it's interesting that he said like can can robots really be heroes like well in this universe for sure yes yeah they can actually I mean R2-D2 I would happily describe R2-D2 as a hero he's fucking saved plenty of people's lives throughout these films yep these are good and why am I watching this crap this guy I call Lucas he's got us all by the balls his fingers are in our wallets get your finger out of my ass wallet now before this movie came out this is what everyone heard it's the best of the three prequels it is it's the darkest of three yes yeah it is it's a lot better it's darker than the other two films well it gives a crap how dark it is my stool is dark and doctor says that's bad I guess I agree just because something's dark it doesn't mean anything yeah I don't know why I think he knows so much about interior decorating though now Roger Ebert gave it three and a half stars and then someone even said that it was the best wait is that out of four or is that out of five it is out of four fucking hell three and a half out of Jesus Christ Roger yeah I'd be good Jeff three and a half out of four well I'll stop you guys they don't badmouth Roger Ebert you get in trouble for doing that because he's oh okay it's a legendary critic okay dang I wasn't I didn't think about it this movie ever because it had lava in it oh ain't he cute his name is Johnny I adopted him from a grocery store parking lot now setting aside any kind of wild and crazy theories about movie critic payoffs people sucking up to Lucasfilm by saying they like the phantom menace I mean I'd rather see episode three than blood in my urine but the movie was just so fucking boring with a few exceptions like the comedy scenes you're so beautiful it's only because I'm so in love nah that's good not bad because I'm so in love with you so lava's blinded oh that's not exactly what I meant so let's talk about the good things doing ironically the most positive about this film are the things that are not in the film one Han Solo was not TFA Han Solo is not ruined oh boy if you like just you there's an irony here don't you worry he's like that's the first thing he brings out he clearly cares a lot about that he also loved TFA I don't think he does anymore though I think they turn over time yeah I don't know how many people do like anymore I don't think the the sequels have already aged worse than the prequels did and I have absolutely they have the the prequels it was you know they had a few years after like revenge of the Sith where you know people were generally happy with them but the we were already done with the sequels before the last film came out we've fallen out of love the people who really love them I wonder how much they just love I don't know that but do those people exist as though I'm sure there's some there's some I'm Skywalker like it's T.O.J that's the one that people still defend but I'm sure the people claim to love yeah but then they they love it out of obligation ruined not Chewbacca was ruined for being plantlessly shoehorned into this movie that doesn't ruin him well how was he ruined though he just he was ruined he's not a fucking chauffeur but it's Kashyyyk he's allowed to be there it's Kashyyyk I'm fine with Chewbacca being here you know the fact that he's specifically the one that hangs out with Yoda again is like well how convenient for the audience but like it doesn't change anything I was full my eyes but that's about it yeah yeah but Chewbacca was no Han Solo thankfully nowhere in this film do we have to watch that scene you know the one where we meet a young Han Solo who would of course look like this we would have been really easy for George to have a little five-year-old kid running around that ship at the end and walk up to the two babies and have like Obi-Wan or Jimmy Smith today it's really interesting to think about this criticism with the sequels existing when the sequels much more so try to leverage existing IP yeah the prequels really didn't they could have done a lot more than they did they really could have done a lot more than they did Han Solo meet baby Luke and Leia and have him shake their little baby because what he's talking about right now is like lame fan service kind of like Mandalorian does yeah and and Booker by the Fet Will and the Soaker and everything like the prequels didn't even do that let alone what the sequels did you know yeah baby hands it would be like Han lived on that ship or whatever or shoe horn him in somewhere else you'd think a toy of a young Han Solo would sell like hotcakes two no millennium falcon the millennium falcon is so fucking cool what a piece of junk it just screams classic star wars it's one of those unique and iconic spaceship designs that have become a staple of pop culture thankfully nowhere in this film do we see the millennium falcon flying around doing something stupid with like its original owner who would most likely be some kind of terrible looking generic CGI piece of crap now the millennium falcon is safe Shrek is loved take that back Shrek is great and yeah there is that small millennium falcon cameo but I guess you could say it doesn't necessarily isn't necessarily the falcon it could just be similar model make whatever wait for which one where is it in Revenge of the Sith you see like a little millennium falcon flying around in the background they were 10 Tarzan yeah oh I doubt it's the millennium falcon yeah if insecure it wasn't raped where would you rape the millennium falcon anyway right there I've done it again it's pretty shocking that in a film that exploits the pre-established iconic star wars images to such a degree that he didn't sell out with this one too speaking of selling out have you guys taken the Kodak printer challenge here's how it works switch your current printer to a Kodak one and then see how much money is saved throughout the course of a decade or was it a year or not a decade then either case I got all my results right here let me share them with you all right from keeping a record um it was just us to let this be played again I've been here in my creepy notebook I've been logging all the times that I purchased ink and how much I paid and now it's time to see how much I saved by using a Kodak printer what after fucking 10 years that's all I save you piece of fucking crap what is that oh damn put your hand well this Kodak paid me 20 grand for that plug unfortunately I spent the 20 grand on hair plugs back to the review three almost no Jar Jar Binks after three films yep is finally got it we only see this loathsome cunt for but a brief moment or two loathsome cunt ha ha ha jeez it's only how you really feel yeah droll is a funny thing for babies is no longer useful he's still walking around the senate doing something why isn't he working as a janitor somewhere another thing he did on Naboo was like 15 years ago you think the novelty would have worn off locus just put him in there as a big fuck you to the audience for not accepting him Jar Jar is a key to all this because he's a funnier character than we've ever had in any of the movies before it's good that you can tempt for your own oh man yeah you wonder you wonder no kids the first film no kids oh no we got a couple that were killed other than that yeah a kid that made you want to sterilize the human race it also had other kids to fucking talk to the second film had even more kids that talked finally the only kid in this film that talks dies and all of them die these are positive changes thankfully there's no terrible love story in this one this film is filled with hate and revenge choking murder betrayal sadness more murder more choking worrying more murder death and so on hey anyone still want to use the excuse that these movies are made for little children I offer we don't accept that anyway just yeah luckily for you yeah this is the uh that's the clip you need to show people now is the time for you to bring that up Lucas goes full on adult audience here giving us the very first Star Wars film that's rated PG-13 so why does this have to be so dark I mean did we really need this in a Star Wars movie okay so Darth Vader was a bad guy sure but did he have to be a violent murderer was all that necessary in a I mean I'm fine with being a violent murderer so what does Lucas think about um like the Rogue One scene I don't think I think they hate Rogue One yeah oh okay right um I don't know why we wouldn't like I mean we have to I don't we don't see much of it in the OT but just given his history I think it's pretty safe to infer that he's done a lot of this he um he just tortures Han Solo in the Empire not for information he just tortures him yeah I'm very chill about it too he's you dog he's enjoying it uh yeah I I guess uh I find it weird because usually because you know the expansion of I guess Darth Vader in the prequel era including like the games and stuff he goes out on missions you know doing this kind of stuff and I guess it's like is that surprising I mean he murdered Obi-Wan well there's a reason why people are afraid of him he has a reputation and he's not going to gain that reputation just by sitting around on the Death Star all the time the lightsaber is not like a toy that he has for fun it's like he uses it to fucking kill people yeah yeah specifically murdering children is the part that gets me not the murdering in general mm-hmm a space adventure film for all ages fight the image yeah well technically yeah because this is a story that shows how Anakin Skywalker became Darth Vader yeah I know but that's really the whole point of everything here isn't it was this a story that needed to be told well any story can be interesting it just depends on how it's done was this the way it should have been done um noooo I agree precisely the only good thing about the film that's in the film is number six the emperor well his character was essentially ruined by being in such horrible schlock and actually do what that's not how it works you don't get rid of being into it bad cause he's like he's the part that nobody Denies is like good in this the only really like the only criticism is just gonna be the nature of his plans throughout right Yeah, but I think he's pretty solid in the prequels. Yeah. Yes. I think he's quite. Yeah, I like him the high point Hey, he is like the he's the part where there's not as many caveats for like praising him. Yeah Dumb stuff himself the emperor is just so wonderful anyways that it doesn't matter whether he's just filled with pure hate Or he's doing manipulative things to less smart people or he's just being plain old silly The man seems to find that was the scene they had or he awkwardly falls back Even seems to get off a little in his pantaloons and how much hate he could feel in Anakin I guess I really like Palpatine so much because he's the only character with any kind of passion He's fucking evil and he loves it and he's got a goal. He's working towards obtaining Love how he says that to Anakin. I was like, I'm all the good guy team. It's fine. Yeah, we're doing all right This is okay worth it. You get the impression with the second bit of that line And we shall have PC just threw that in on the end like just in case Anakin was Feel like I can go Yeah, sure keeping our eyes on the prize. Don't you worry Just like cardboard cutout so I think that's it Unfortunately Natalie poor man doesn't take off or close at any point. In fact now she dresses like a fucking Quaker Do miss the 80s So what else did I like I Guess I liked it when Anakin got burned. I liked it when it was over number three What the hell is happening? So let's get into this film. All right, first and foremost. I want to pause this call Coffee interlude what why do you assume the best time to leave is what other people have left? Yeah, that's the fair point because it means even less people to talk. Yeah, so The theory has things You know not bad, this sounds awful, bro. I'm so sorry you know Just working doing stuff Not great. Not terrible. The video so far has been more funny than Yeah I Agree with a lot of the disdain for certain things, but I enjoy his hatred of the prequels. I do It's funny Yes, it is And yet I have more love for Jar Jar than any character in the sequels I Would see him back. Yeah doing some juggling on the street corner trying to just make a buck or two per day Yeah It's hard being me used to be a senator. Don't you know? I used to be a senator Now look at me just bearded Jar Jar. He's just like with like gray hair cuz he's just getting on and yeah, he's Just talks about memories. Oh, nobody believes him his stories We know he lived it There's no doubt as to the merits of Jar Jar as a character No, of course, I think we can all agree means pretty much a lot really. Yeah Who's your favorite Jar Jar Theo? My favorite Jar Jar. Yeah, like Phantom Menace Jar Jar Tackler Clones Jar Jar revenge of the Sith Jar Jar Do you want us to least screen time? We'll be revenge of the Sith right? Yeah Yeah, I'll go with revenge of the Sith Jar Jar. I will say he looks pretty good It's a restrained performance, you know, it's um Yeah, it is a restrained performance, but a good one nonetheless He was given a challenging script and he nailed it. I think Really really, you know go into the subtleties of the role was very impressive. I Could believe that he was Jar Jar Binks Yeah Really made him feel like Jar Jar Binks. Oh weird that that wasn't included in the list of positives that his performance was top-notch, but Fine I'm surprised you're McGregor hasn't been given a special mention That's okay too. Um, well, yeah, it feels like that's another one of the elements of because I Man, that feels like perfect casting honestly. Yeah, he uh, he I Really really like him in the role of Obi-Wan That's why I get nervous about Kenobi because it's like you motherfuckers you gonna like you got a you got a Leverage how much I like this character in this actor in this role to get me to come back and Lucas gave him three movies Disney Star was probably gonna fuck him up in one episode Absolutely, like what I'm suggesting is like Lucas could have fucked him up three times over, but he didn't I feel like Obi-Wan's fine Yeah, he's okay. He's not interesting thing. Everyone else doesn't he said like, you know Han Solo wasn't ruined But he hasn't like he said they are Chewbacca was ruined by being here. It's like he didn't say Obi-Wan was ruined Everyone just suffers from a lot of plot armor and some Stupidity here and there but not really anything character-wise. Yeah. No, he's yeah I I feel like the Obi-Wan that I see here. I can believe it Yes, we saw in there in the original trilogy. Yeah, what do you think yeah? Yeah, Theo, what do you think? What do you think? Yeah? Yeah, I don't think So I make it my job to not think That's curious if you thought maybe the Obi-Wan was ruined Ah Ruined no, I I don't know what to make of him really because he's kind of entertaining at times and he feels like he's one of the few characters with an actual personality to him, but It's nothing for him to really like he gets sent around on errands so much doing things that prevent him from really expressing anything In terms of a character or to have any interactions with anyone Then the back of the clones and revenge of the Sith He's he's just off running errands somewhere because we need him apart from Anakin for various reasons I don't know what those reasons are in the attack of the clones though He's doing his little investigation any Yeah, that's right. He's we've got to have him off doing that instead of being around Anakin They sure just done the whole mission together, but then we needed Anakin to do his romance plot. Oh Yeah, we did need that Roll around in the flowers while Anakin advocates for fascism and Advocates against sand don't forget that he does do that, which is you know Understandable, I love it when people like something's so critical of that line sand is coarse. It does get everywhere, you know Sand isn't great sometime. I mean, I don't know I There's a time and place for sand. Yeah I love walking around the beach Mm-hmm good. Okay. Number one cuz it's dark. No Number two that opening shot is really impressive because it's like it is impressive one long uncut shot or something Oh, you say I'm sure this was done intentionally by Lucasfilm one. So there'd be something memorable. Yeah, they didn't accidentally do it Oh Yeah, so this is gonna be a whole conversation You gotta be careful with how he says all this He frames it at first as the person says it's impressive because it's all done in one shot and his response that would be That's not Impressive compared to it not being a one-shox. It's all done in a computer regardless Meaning like if this would have cut to a different shot several times in this scene as opposed to just being one There's not a real difference because of the whole time people click and stuff But I think you broaden out like well neither of them are unimpressive because it's hard work It's hard work every time it's just different yeah Yeah, and then a wonder isn't only appreciated for being unbroken We've talked about how there are ones that are fucking pointless because they're like, you know, just someone standing around It's about what the one who shows us what it was its purpose as well as what risks are taken how things were nailed in production Like there's a lot of elements that make I want a meaningful So we'll go a little bit further. See what else he says. We'll see to so that idiots will tell other idiots about it Because at this point, there's nothing impressive about visual effects Yes, they do I mean like especially now that even then they certainly did but even now like Dune just came out and Thanos well, he said this in like a later 13 ish. That's what he made this. I think Man wrong Really weird. Yeah Visual effects absolutely blow people away. They still do still can you just have to get more creative and then higher fidelity We're still we haven't capped it out anywhere close yet. No, we haven't we're not caps. No Any more like they did in the past now It's just a bunch of crap all over the screen made by computer animators that wish they chose other careers I doubt it. So bunch of crap on the screen. It's like it's all purposeful You've got the plant the city planet and there's this huge battle with all these different starships Belonging to the two factions above it with two characters trying to make their way through it like it's not just crap It's not a stronger visual storytelling and I guess the prequels I'd say in that it's just you know Guiding us through this chaotic clusterfuck Yeah, you could even argue. That's what the position in the storyline is those two characters. They are Together they're gonna try and approach all of this insanity. Basically. There's plenty you can pull from it instead of just saying it's random crap Cuz it ain't I mean random You can't say it's random because it was made By people It would have taken months Much of an indication of things just getting thrown in there just because as far as I can tell Well, yeah, the problem is when it comes to visual effects, you can't just like throw things in that's yeah It's a very long process Multiple stages. It's planned out. Yeah Those are the worst kinds might be that maybe you could argue that and that's probably then highlighting weight So there's good and bad for this as a subject which is the important part instead of writing it all off I would go as far as saying that like getting everything accurate in terms of physics and graphics is already hard enough Especially trying to match everything to be accurate to whatever teams. Yeah, I mean you see how bad it is done so often Often I mean a lot of Star Wars CGI is just Terrible some of it's good a lot of it's really bad Some kind of uncut special effects shot involving models and precise timing and actual camera work would have been impressive as opposed to It's still I don't like this attitude implications behind what he just said actual camera work so Again, like I can't help but instead of being like, oh, let me explain some things that make you just like no You're just wrong. I don't even want to Try and explain like I say how you've come to this conclusion. No wrong. So when it comes to like making CGI shots Technically speaking, there is absolutely a form of camera work Especially with the one they have this environment that's created and now they're going to pick parts of it to show in particular ways Yeah, absolutely the interesting part being one of the ones that really like starts to make you think is I spoke to a friend about this, but you know ready play a one terrible movie, but um the Oasis is a world that's like created all in in like an environment and At least part of the way it was shot was that You'd have like a room filled with mocap people and green screen and so it's like a terrible filmmaking but then you come on with a camera that Has the Oasis will build into it And so when you look through the camera you see the whole world if that makes sense instead of the mocap And the gray and the green and stuff And so then it's like you're you have a camera in the CGI world if that makes sense Well, that it's it's the reason why you can achieve Shots that feel like they were done by a person Because it's got all those types of movements baked in in the same way that motion capture bakes in a lot of the stuff that's harder to To capture if you try and animate it because you know even we do some of the sequels It's like there's lots of deliberate and great choices made with the camera Yep, even if there's loads of CGI or exclusively CGI And she's being way too harsh here, and we've accidentally now made some standards that are absolutely bullshit to try and shit on revenge of the Sith Yeah, I There's no way they I don't think they believe this today. I don't know why it I mean, I hope not I certainly hope not I mean you do I guess you do get people who say stuff like this who really poop who on CGI but man like what whenever a a movie comes out that has legitimately bad camera work and Really bad editing? No one poo-poo's on like real stuff, you know Whenever the models look crap people don't say oh well using models as bad and it's just lazy and a bubba bubba But when there's bad CGI it ruins the whole thing. You're right. I Would even argue that you know as much as I like the rank or it's very clearly a puppet when you're watching But in the Jedi there's not like a moment. We go. Oh for a second there I thought it was definitely real it moves very awkwardly the mouth like when it's trying to eat stuff It's just like yeah kind of making it Meanwhile, I would just compare to the Balrog where I feel like most if not everybody has a burst in that scene You know, it's not real. Yeah, but that's a really matter because you're just like whoa You're there for the ride. You're you're totally sold. Yeah And so at that point it's like what are we highlighting it's like well I guess that there's just great execution and terrible execution of both. Yeah, it is a technique and it can be used well or poorly Exactly we're good or evil Yeah, and so I think if you were to talk about this subject again He'd probably make it clearer what he's actually trying to say instead of accidentally stepping all over loads of Cuz like we've talked before We will say something like someone's like oh well it looks great, right? I'm like yeah, they have money It's like that's not to say that it doesn't take effort and isn't impressive visually It's just means that we're not talking about the writing anymore Yeah, it there is an element of you can just sort of it's certainly more than writing you can just sort of buy good CGI Yeah, and cuz some people like well, I've not worked for Black Panther then it's like well You can't you look like if someone said like build, you know an entire world in one second It's like no matter who you're paying that's not happening Yeah, they still need time Which they did not have a Black Panther from what I understand But this this shit ain't no Rube Goldberg machine doesn't need no fucking good fellow shot That's for sure. So why there's a few minutes of a CGI battle sequence some guy rings his eyes computer I guess that's the thing some guy Yeah, why is it that way a lot of people a lot of people would have worked on that Well, yeah, but why is it said and I could say that the same thing for practice I did on his computer guy is there something bad about doing something Is it not impressive that we can make something that looks real that is literally just when you boil it down a bunch of triangles and Bng's and stuff just like my theory Why you said some guys to imply that when it comes to practical We know these names like Stan Winston or you know different production companies that make this stuff while with CGI They all blew together. It's like it's not true Like there are people who are way better at this than others Reputation. Yeah, I think it starts to reveal the core problem And I believe this to be true about a lot of people who comment on this in general You don't know a lot about CGI. Let's be honest. It's okay. It's fine We all have a very basic understanding of it mostly But the amount of techniques time and teamwork that goes into CGI is something that's basically alien to a lot of people Well, it's a lot of the techniques that we've developed, you know Like I know subsurface scattering which is the thing that makes like human skin look real because of the way that the light like reflects off of it or is Scattered underneath the surface subsurface scattering. It's like man, that didn't exist But we like made it. It's a great point because you have the equivalent in practical is when and I remember J Explaining this on one of the radio media videos, but like to simulate zombies getting shot in the heads Tom Savini would like glue I think a coin with skin and blood on top of it Glued all to the head so then when they shot you pull it from like a string and now it looks like they're getting shot Because you revealed a thing It's like what a what an awesome technique that does a thing and it's like you never do that CGI even though CGI has a bazillion different techniques that are being developed all the time by really talented people that make things look incredible Well, yeah, it's a different thing. You're in a process. I just think that they don't know much about it. That's that's it. Yeah When the guy invents the thing There's just not enough I guess coverage of that or understanding of it I mean, you know, there's something to be said about perhaps that we have an over reliance on CGI nowadays like where There are there are instances. I mean like in Black Widow, right? Why didn't you just go to the forest and shoot there the forest exists Was it when they were on that table talking to each other? Yeah Yeah, the I think that's probably was poisoned the well in a sense like Fucking CGI. It's like no not all No, I mean as you've seen here, you've got the Incredibles. It's like, yes, this is computer-generated imagery. Are we are we actually Nobody we're not gonna shit on this are we like how many terrible puppets have we seen in movies and nobody? craps on the thing Yeah, you'll never catch people saying fucking practical facts. Am I right? It's like I mean we love practical It looks so fake Models and precise timing and actual camera work. Yeah, but the models exist digitally someone had to make those exactly I just hate the actual camera work that makes me cringe Real Genuine But this This shit ain't no Rube Goldberg machine or ain't no fucking good fellas shot. That's for sure So why there's a few minutes of a CGI battle sequence some guy rings his eyes computer But whole movies are made entirely with computers now even without any actors whatsoever movies like toy story and Transformers and added here or there. It doesn't matter. So if you were impressed by that then you've been punked No, no No, you're impressed by Thanos. You've been punked because I was just done on a computer So cuz it wasn't like that was working after the went into it Exactly this is so bizarre to hear this from him He should know there's more in camera work than simply holding the machine and pointing it In terms of looking at IRL as opposed to being on a computer when you do it. That's so weird that you'd say this Convey a lot of things with how and where you place the camera. Yeah the editing of it. Yeah, exactly This video was made on a computer Is it bad that I might be impressed by this video, I'm not but it's a bad that I someone might be impressed by this video This this is a lot of things being said and this is a very it's strange how much time he's spending on this as well Yeah, this is an odd one. I guess he just thought too many people praising it and he was like, no Well, I'm just like it's pretty chill. There's lots to praise about it. It's pretty cool. It's fine. I'm You'll be okay. Just like Demi Moore Okay, so I'll be brief I have no idea who's attacking what or what ships belong to Pretty sure it was in the opening crawl on there. Yeah Just remind myself The republic is crumbling under the tax by the rooster sith lord count dooku The fiend destroyed leader grievous has swept into the republic cap capital and kidnapped chancellor palpatine As they try to escape they are besieged And by led by two jedi. Yeah, like it's It's literally all explained it. That's all the crawls about This doesn't seem too tough Yeah, it feels it feels like a weird complaint Who and I'm not even gonna try to figure it out. There's ships all over the place Things are exploding and nothing's at stake for me to care So we see anakin and obi-wan flying around in this mess They know what ship is general grievous general grievous the ship is directly ahead But they don't tell the other ships so that they could all attack it at once and just they don't want to attack it You don't want to attack it. You don't want to just you want to you don't want to hurt the person you're trying to save There's a rescue mission that you're sending to talented jedi on and if that doesn't work I'm sure there's a plan b and ultimately they can just blow it up. I guess if that But that would be the they got a last fucking idea. They want to rescue palpatine. Yeah disable it or whatever He says to disable it or whatever. I just I don't We see what happens to that ship when things attack it Yeah, if you disable a ship it it was one of the big plot points of dense space where oh, no We're gonna fall into the planet. We have to get this ship up and running Yeah, can't just turn off a ship like that if it's if it's not actually in orbit In true orbit around a planet. You can't just disable it That's okay because I don't even know who general grievous is because no one told me yet general didn't they So let me just look at that opening crawl again Uh, it is study with the fiendish droid leader general grievous All right, he sounds important We need to make a rule. Okay. Well, we debate people the prequels. You got to read the crawls. They are there to be read They're not there just to waste time and extend the time of the video If you say like I don't know him, you know Like like more detailed like yeah, sure, but like he's just been introduced He's we know him as a droid leader the droids of the bad guys Simple and he's called a general. Yep, probably pretty important I'm gonna assume he's important because he's a general Wow, well, there you go. All right, apparently he's got some kind of grievance with somebody I don't know but also aboard the ship is commander nefarious Captain. I'm a bad guy an admiral bone to pick But they don't mention them But what I can't comment here on this scene is something I noticed Which I'll call backtracking You see the whole point of all this shit or so I thought was that Anakin Skywalker was supposedly a great and kind Noble Jedi knight who was tragically induced by the dark side of the force I'm because he's saying according to d.o.t. I mean, that's the general idea. Yeah Came a Darth Vader Vader was seduced by the dark I just said that instead for whatever reason Anakin is written as a bad apple from the start tell us now I killed them and even in this film He's not wearing some kind of dark clothes and his hair is long and unkempt It just seems like more of an asshole But whoever's writing this shit suddenly realizes that they need to remind the audience that Anakin is still a good guy So the dumbest thing ever happened I'm gonna go help them out. What he wants to go back and help out the clone trooper Oh, right Anakin is noble You know pretty much from the start they've established that the clone troopers are disposable people I don't think that means that you shouldn't care about them at all. I'm fine with that line Yeah, yeah, I'm fine with the line too I can clearly tell what it's trying to do is you can tell what they're doing But at the same time like it's not out of character for someone to be to hear someone say they're all over me to them Be like I'm gonna help them That's not at all weird Yeah Thanks for the ride idiot I'm pretty sure when formulating battle plans yoda or whoever isn't thinking of casualties in terms of how many widows This battle is going to create All right. No, but there's still a logistic They have personalities that you have You can't think of them as you you literally can't think of them as droids when you've met them because they're people Yeah So, yeah, you feel bad when they die Yeah, I mean certainly in just going by the movies there is and It's not well defined, but they're Not they're definitely not robots The extent to which they're human like is A bit amorphous and poorly defined but they're clearly more than robots And then there is the aspect of you can't have too many casualties because then you'll lose the war Yeah, like this is a weird appeal where it's like come on. You're not gonna care about them at this point It's like well, he does and people can I don't know why we should take mileage issue with this He's been fighting with him for a while. So It's very possible that that is an aspect of you know Like poor Abe Lincoln was he was thinking if he was gonna run out of disposable people before the battle was over And shit at this point. Obi-Wan and Anakin have been fighting the clone wars for years An argument for why they would see them as more human. Yeah Yeah, that's uh, that's why they would care They've probably grown accustomed to seeing these guys bite it by the thousand Or yet on the brink of reaching general gravis's ship Whoever that is to save the supreme chancellor Anakin is suddenly concerned with the welfare of one clone We don't know if this happens often. Yeah, and it's a guy in his ear saying I'm dying like I'm dying. Please help I don't know why that's so hard to believe this fine with me Yeah, I'm I'm totally fine with this part I'm gonna go help them out. I'm afraid it's a little too late to backtrack the entire last film He didn't spend that much time around clones in the last film barely any basically none Yeah, because they weren't even in it until the end Right at the very last moment and um, he's not only a bad guy in attack of the clones I I don't disagree entirely with like, you know, they're trying the point. Yeah the premise of his thing I I agree with the like the concept But there's it needs a lot of This isn't how I would put up put this up at all Mm-hmm Number four setting the stage For confusion continuing on let's discuss opening sequences in general You see most movies open with some kind of something or other that gets things going and screenwriting Terminologies, it's called an opening scene or things that starts the movie off at the beginning In most cases it can be an elaborate action sequence that introduces the characters in setting Or it can be a funny sequence that sets the tone or can also be something as simple as a word that ignites a mystery In revenge of the set the opening sequence is so weird Disjointed and ultimately pointless that it makes cop dog look like pointless Pointless. I mean, I'm all I can say is I hope he qualifies all three of those Yeah, cuz dooku gets killed the plan goes off to Get anakin down that path. I mean how how that is executed is definitely wonky, but It happens Wouldn't call it pointless Cop out. I don't even know what that means By the way, did you guys see cop out? It was amazing I said it was amazing Check it out So the very first thing that we gotta sip through is a pointless and unexciting sequence where anakin and obi won fight off robot things On their ships only to eventually make it to where they're so I would defend it I'd be like I think the point of that scene is to show the relationship they have How anakin is willing to go the extra mile to make sure he saves obi won Um, also, this is a battle. Yeah, just the dynamic as it currently stands I don't know that that's just weird to call that pointless Yeah, it's fine. We get a little bit of flavor some robots. We haven't seen before You know, this just adds a little yeah different kinds of uh enemy uh combatant types and like I like it That's I'm fine with that Do anyway problem with that they also make waste of battle droids with such efficiency that it's both totally pointless and boring You might as well just have them land their speeders in the hangar bay and get out And not have the battle droids there at all because it's the same goddamn thing I think it's just meant to have us feel as though it wasn't easy You know, like I say easy it wasn't working for it. Yeah, there's something they have to do and you know to be like weird If there was no resistance whatsoever as they tried to get in the ship, you know Yeah, and if someone was like well, it's the battle droids can't do anything to them. It's like, yeah, I mean That's true, but they are jedi like The battle droids are much better against people who don't have lightsabers in the force Um, which they fight a lot of they mow down clones while clones mow down there I'm like, I don't know. It's like, yeah, they're here. They get killed because it wasn't the simplest thing ever to just walk in I guess he's saying like, yeah, but it makes no difference stakes wise because they just wipe through them Well, this is this this is obi one and Anakin Skywalker. We're they're not gonna die at the beginning of the movie Oh, well, I would if they were killed by a battle droid. I'd be like fucking hell. What like That'd be bizarre. Yeah They're there or not there You get it that one introduced to something that I guess is a reptile inside a robot costume wearing a cape Now is general grievous supposed to be funny because they said he was a villain, right? Not a comedian like larry seinfeld but more like a creepy weirdo like jerry flint I'm so confused Anyway, I don't know. I thought I was waiting for him to play a clip or something. I don't know why he said Yeah, I don't know what he's I I legit don't know what he's referring to what liner action or I'm I don't know with these fucking star wars breakables I'm always forced to go back to screenwriting 101 and a big four-letter word that comes to mind Fuck now. I'm just kidding. The word is crap. Now. I'm just kidding. The word is shit Now, I'm just kidding. The word is piss Now, I'm just kidding. The word is poop. Now. I'm just kidding. The word is garbage Now, I'm just kidding. The word is tone and for those of you who don't understand what I'm saying tone is how a movie feels Movies are either like comedy tone is how a movie feels I'm not sure I agree with that as I call it like what tone is um tone is how a movie feels That is that is so ambiguous. It's practically useless. It feels to me that that statement makes it sound like it's on the In the the individual to interpret it as opposed to what it is Uh, tone is it's better to say atmosphere maybe um vibe um It is the state of how Things are being treated It's uh, a little bit difficult to define I think so too. Yeah, I go with like, yeah, like the general vibe or the the general atmosphere that a that a scene or movie Attempts to establish through its Dialogue stakes music editing um But then again, I wasn't Yeah, yeah, that's absolutely part of it too undoubtedly. Um I just wasn't expecting to have to define tone in this thing, but um Yeah, I wouldn't just say how a movie feels because that's that's just Not helpful. It's too broad To open to interpretation or thrillers if they waver on the tone You don't know what it is and your brain starts to hurt Typically you should establish what your movie is in the first 10 minutes or so take ghost busters You establish your characters. They're witty and funny and your audience gets that this movie's going to be some kind of Lighthearted comedy thing with ghosts in it There isn't a violent rape on a pinball machine in the first 10 minutes of ghost busters Nor is there a pie in the face gag in the opening of citizen kane In Revenge of the Sith what appears to be a general space adventure film is punctuated by a brutal Decapitation mixed with bizarre attempts at slapstick Those two moments are not very close to each other Yeah, like I guess It's the same sequence, but yeah If we if we consider all of this the opening could one not argue that this represents the film as a whole there will be Very dark things will also be lighthearted moments and it's going to be an adventure if we're going to go that broad I think it's a bit harsh to um put R2-D2 lightens some things on fire next to the execution of a surrendered foe when they're not right next to each other in the film Like like scene to scene. I mean humor This whole sequence from the beginning to the crash landing goes from an intense confusing and complicated space battle Slaps those you press the stop button. No, did you know? Oh, it's you then suddenly it becomes dark and violent Run back to awkward comedy I don't know if that even would call that dark and violent. Hey This feels weird. I feel like you can make this argument for a lot of stuff at this point Well, because a lot of movies do the balance of comedy with drama because we are jumping you're like, um You know where in in infinity war when Star lord is like Everyone stop and they all just ignore him and keep moving. That's right before star lord kills gamora quote unquote, right? Like chooses to pull the trigger Like are those two things now like is that bad? And there's you know, I mean you even got the other one of uh The dance off right before the climactic conclusion in guardians of the galaxy. It's like divided by no time at all It's one after the other. Yeah, I'd be curious because this is the thing I found this difficult to argue in tfa part two. It's uh tone can jump around it really can Tone can jump and I don't have a problem with it as a thing just in you know, it's yeah the execution Yeah, why is the tone shifting was the tone shifting? Yeah, maybe like earned. What does it achieve? What is it achieve? I think is an important aspect I'm like I can't argue anything other than we are drawn into that uh execution in terms of the fight starts It's getting, you know, gradually more and more intense Then dooku loses and then we have a moment of figuring out. Well, what will you do now? Like the idea that it's like we just did jokes like not really we haven't done jokes in a bit of time now Then I don't know what the hell the tone is supposed to be here if it's supposed to be funny or action adventure. I don't know why Yeah Pretty simple. Well the issue I have with this scene is the tone And how they Yeah, it's the that's not the issue with this scene or exciting or scary. I I Exciting it's supposed to be exciting. Yeah, it's definitely exciting. That's it. If you say like is this supposed to be scary? I'd be like I I don't think so. No, I don't think it's meant to be scary. No If someone said they did find this a bit scary because of the these new droids whatever I'd be like, yeah, it's fine Like I don't know that this is weird like You can get a lot of emotions out of a scene I don't know that any of this confusion comes from anywhere, but you trying to create confusion. This is clearly action adventure Then to make matters worse Lucas prematurely tries to create a thematic bridge between Jedi and Sith by having a set that looks like the throne room of the emperor And return of the Jedi everything built up to that showdown There's a certain tension in the air You can't use that imagery here and now at the beginning It makes no sense. I mean you can you literally can I don't know this feels weird, but all right depends on if you think that they're going for the exact same feeling Which I don't think they are Um, and even if that were you there are arguments to be made here You have the emperor watching Anakin fight Count Dooku and then execute him which if you consider the events of Return of the Jedi where the emperor wants Luke to kill Vader You know this stuff to think about there is parallel. Yeah It's confusing to us Either have an opening sequence where it's like the last of the lighthearted adventures of Obi-Wan and Anakin Like they kind of did and then had it go dark. I don't know. It seems like they It represents the movie to some degree For things go really bad Or have a dark dramatic opening sequence where Anakin and Palpatine discovered things about each other and a dark tone is set One or the other well, let's discuss what happens here Palpatine has been kidnapped by general grievance and the jedis are there to rescue him The entire sequence revolves around the moment when Anakin goes a little too far and cuts off Dooku's head So basically as far as I'm concerned at this point Anakin is Darth Vader And getting burned and put inside the suit is just a formality You didn't think that we'd killed the sad people children. I guess. I don't know if that's gonna be a requirement That's worse than dooku. Yeah But several questions remain that aren't told to the audience And I don't care if it was told to us a fucking book or whatever one Did Grievous actually attempt to kidnap Palpatine on his own True, did Palpatine- I think it would have been orchestrated fully by Palpatine Yes, Palpatine would easily be able to put himself into a scenario where he could be captured Palpatine allowed Grievous to kidnap him or did the two conspire together to stage the kidnapping That was basically the same thing. I was gonna say kind of ask the same question three times. Yeah, that's sort of a yeah Kidnapping was doku being killed part of the plan I think he wanted this to happen Palpatine. He wanted Anakin to kill doku If doku was still alive by the end of this movie There would have he would have been He couldn't have been it would be very strange for doku to continue existing as his Apprentice Yeah, kind of in Like in in a post-war scenario He'd have to be like a secret one or he'd have to be Which I guess wouldn't be an issue because he's clearly leading a secret double existence anyway I don't know where he makes the time. I think he just gets in the way of anakin being his apprentice, right? I think so. I think he does want doku out of the way Why would that be an issue though if doku was there as well? I guess like did you not have both Don't you want the sith to rule the galaxy is what if my doku sounds like he's really really really useful politically potentially Unpowerfully like uh powerful. Yeah It seems to me that he just he wants to bait anakin further along the dark side route by having him execute doku Maybe doku is more uncontrollable Like if like he can't just Like doku won't necessarily do anything, but maybe he's like oh anakin this guy. I'll do fucking anything maybe uh Then of course, I know people be like it's a rule of two rule of two That's um, and I don't believe you Doku have any say in this plan For what if doku just happened to spill the beans about palpatine being syrious when he realized he was betrayed What if anakin didn't kill doku after palpatine said to kill him? Talk about awkward Well, I just run both scenarios. I guess if I guess palpatine figured that doku wouldn't rat him out, but if he did He was like, hey, don't you know he's a sith lord. I imagine palpatine could just play like what the fuck you're talking about. What? I think doku would be smart enough to be able to Reference something to make it explain. Yeah, I explain all kinds of different things Just the kidnapping and a lot of the behind the scenes stuff and the how do you think this happened? How do you think this happened? How do you think this happened? Look at where he's gotten Check his metachlorians. All you that's all you have to do. Check his metachlorians Yeah, um, I guess the only thing you can say is that palpatine figured that doku wouldn't Let the truth out. Um, there seems like a bit of a gamble, didn't it? Yeah It's quite a gamble. Yeah Five did graveston tend to kill anakin and obi won or was his plan to let them escape No, I didn't why wouldn't he just leave their lightsabers behind somewhere like in a safe or something rather than bringing them with We wanted to put them inside his coat with his other trophies Oh Well being trained in the jedi arts doesn't he know that jedi's can move things with their minds And that displaying that he has a bunch of lightsabers is probably not the best idea because agreed little dumb Yep, it's really dumb Then we'll just do exactly what they did Oh, but wait, there's more grieve and sends his henchmen to attack them And then for no reason he walks out of the frame and does nothing off-camera while the jedi defeat the henchmen Yeah, that's right. Grievous should be attacking them. He's like one of those power. He's the most powerful thing there Yeah, and he has a lot of allies to work with here He's got a Saturday morning cartoon villains thing. Yeah, I'll be with the mooks to get get them. Yeah Where is he going? Why is he going over there? What the hell is he doing? Unless his plan was to escape, but then why bring them up to the control room? Why not keep them locked in the race? No one knows why they're there or what the plan was it just sort of everything just happens the way that it does You're like, all right Because yeah, uh, if his goal was to kill them They were lucky as hell if his goal was to just waste time until they escaped like, okay Shield and then just leaves Wait, if Obi-Wan can just grab the lightsaber with his mind, did they even need R2's distraction? Oh wait What if Anakin was having like a really bad day and he was tired and unfocused and then he accidentally got killed by one of those guys with the things I guess palpatine was secretly controlling grievous and everyone's I do think to be fair we have to assume palpatine took those risks and just Figured that if Anakin can't defeat these things, then maybe he's not Maybe he ain't that worthwhile. At least I still have duke. Oh At least I still have grievous at least I still have grievous. He's cool Maybe he can use the force at some point. He can use four lightsabers It's pretty deep Yeah, that's the alternate ending grievous is his Darth Vader or whatever He's like he's like killing younglings man. I fucking love that You know how many of those bastards I could chop in half with four lightsabers Spinning them up like a helicopter blades. This is like running through I cut all them in half like a mow in the lawn Oh His actions in the control room including Obi-Wan's Anakin's and all the robot guards fighting them Because Anakin could have gotten killed he could have gotten crushed by the elevator But that doesn't explain how stupid general grievous acted Why not just keep them in the race shield forever, but then you go. Oh Oh Oh grievous doesn't know So wait, why didn't grievous just execute palpatine so that he could win the war or kill palpatine? I don't know why well, why would killing him win the war? It would certainly be quite uh Let me see you wouldn't win. No You would have you would have Let's see. There would definitely be like a propaganda victory Value propaganda value on it. Well, you could argue the reverse right the killing palpatine makes everyone be like, okay This is fucked. You just killed a political leader So now we're gonna fight harder. I guess it depends on his military role Like it just makes it it ties into a larger thing if I have no idea what's happening in this war Yeah, yeah I don't know what this maneuver represents like going to uh Coruscant to capture palpatine. Are they looking to occupy Coruscant because they have like pushed The republic back to this point because they're winning or is this a last ditch hail mary It strikes me as a hail mary But like we have no idea what's going on overall in the war what this represents to either side true Yeah, and the jedi's only captured them Was he trying to get like a ransom? Did Sidious tell him to capture palpatine so that he could lure the jedi's on board only to kill doku because oh Wait, I guess not wouldn't Sidious have wanted the jedi's to escape I'm so confused. Well, wait Yeah, I agree with as soon as you get into the bridge, I don't understand whatever it was plans are really In the first five minutes, we've already gotten into territory where every single line in action makes no sense again First of all once they rescue palpatine. He says get help in a match for him. He's a sith lord Oh, everyone then turns and says something incredibly stupid chancellor palpatine sith lords are our specialty Oh, sure they are his real response to the three years This is a thing I I can't we talked about this already. I just like I can't speak to weird line It's a weird line With what we've seen it is strange. Are we supposed to assume they've come very far since then But even if you've practiced a lot and your powers have doubled, they're still not your specialty Well, they didn't didn't you literally say that that might be their role as they are the jedi that do go for sith lords How many sith lords have they gone for that was what I said right from the clone wars Yeah, I guess we'll never know exactly because these films didn't make it clear And um, didn't they fight uh, they fought because by this stage uh, obi wanted fought darth maul again and his brother Yeah, they thought Savage oppress No, he's a good guy. Is he a bad guy like like is general grievous. Is he is he on the good side or is he the the bad one Captain hope is a bad guy Captain hope um Yeah, I Captain hopeless is just on the other side. I will agree. It is a weird line I don't think I'll concede that it makes no sense Because there's there's ways it can go that far. Yeah, I I won't go that far but Really weird Um, wait get help from where from who who on this ship could help us And how do you know he's a sith lord or how do you even know what a sith lord is? Wait, hang on. I think I've missed something. We know who count duke who is He's talking about someone else, right? I'm so confused. No, he knows the duke. Wait, there's more in the first five minutes We've already gotten into territory where every single line in action makes no sense again First of all once they rescue pal patini says get help gonna match for him. He's a sith lord Oh everyone then so he's saying Where would you get help from I guess it's like well I mean It's perfectly reasonable to assume that there's clones that have boarded this ship too I don't know. Yeah, it's like our our landing team is standing by ready to breach the You know whatever so that they can get in like we cleared the way for them Or the in the chaos of battle we get if clones burst it in here I'd be like yep that sounds that sounds reasonable that they'd be ready. Yeah a team of commandos come in You know you can call There's a whole battle outside. There might be many people available to come in here. You don't know Concerns and says something incredibly stupid Chancellor Palpatine sith lords are our specialty Oh, sure they are his real response should have been wait get help from where from who Who on this ship could help us? Potential clones all the people in your team. There's plenty of options. Yeah, this is a battle going on Oh, he's a sith lord. How does Palpatine know Count Duke is a sith lord every like you just said it's been established Everybody knows he's a sith lord In the last movie it's been established. Everyone knows this at this point. Yeah, obviously palpatine would know that Or how do you know what I mean by that is he obviously he would know that as chancellor palpatine He doesn't need to be city is to know that he doesn't need to be city What a sith lord is Instead the whole what do you know how does he know what a sith lord is? That's very no lodged stuff at this point, especially if you're on terms with the jedi Where you discuss battle plans with them like the sith is a big old asshole Dothmore was a thing that was 10 years ago Or even more 13 something like that But yes, they've known about this for a while. They've probably discussed it at length Comic goes right over Obi-Wan's heads. I guess palpatine was controlling his mind, right? No to like make him stupider. How did this happen? We're smarter than this Then after doku is dead, there's a sudden urgency to get off the ship when before there was no urgency at all Because they've got palpatine now and that this place is dangerous Maybe he meant like the conversation Once he was getting up from the chair as it compared to now to where it where it's so urgent We have to leave obi-wan But I mean that's palpatine saying it though and that could just be his attempt at being like I could probably knock out obi-wan here. Maybe. Yeah, I think that's what the plan is sort of supposed to be but Why is there a sudden urgency to leave now? We must leave the foremost security droids, right? Oh, right. Yeah Those security droids have always been a real problem. We'll fucking wait, but you know I mean, I might I'd rather not fight them than have to That feels like a weird point. I'd rather not have to fight them Especially because I'm I'm me. I'm an old dude who like I can't reveal. I certainly don't want to reveal my powers so There's no time we must get off the ship before it's too late Anakin should really stop and say hold on Before what's too late leave him. Oh, we'll never make it. What's the security droids? Is that good enough? So this is a battle I'd rather not be here Get away from the You're in the middle of like just a battlefield Let's get out of here. Why would you be worried? It's highlighting like this is a Suspicious thing to say. I would just be like, I don't know the most I would get from it. It's like, wow, it's a little bit insensitive Yeah, he just came here to save your life. Yeah. I'm like, wow, he's still clearly fine He just needs to wake up blur. You know, you're acting like a weirdo. You know what a sooth lord is He's a sooth lord. Why is this? Why would you don't know what a sooth lord is? We all know it You're telling me to cut off someone's head kill him And then you're telling me to leave Obi-Wan Kenobi a Jedi that we've all known for decades Leave him or we'll never make it to die for no real reason when there's no real hurry I don't know that you can say there's no real hurry. There's no real hurry But you don't need that point to make this sound ridiculous We can't take five minutes to pick his body up. You're acting kind of suspicious But no, our lead character I was going to say, like, I'm not going to disagree with that point overall. He's incredibly suspicious I just find that funny. You're acting kind of suspicious Feels like a Rick and Morty line to an actual, like, over and done Yeah I mean, I mean, it does it falls in line with a movie But unless I literally just spell out that I'm a sooth lord to you until then I think we're just going to be okay way with anything Doctors can't form coherent thoughts or are intelligent enough to notice basic things like this And then we as an audience are constantly sitting there asking ourselves questions about motivation and logic the entire film because the script is a rushed Sloppy mess that was written in a week. There you go a first draft official first draft All these scenes all these shits just to get Anakin in the Darth Vader suit for no real reason at all And people wonder why the For no real reason at all For no reason. I just be curious what he means by that. Does he mean like a demeter way? Like there's no story to actually tell Yeah, I don't want him to belittle that suit. That is Pollock This is for me to tell What's what I'm saying is like, I'm not sure what his point is, but I think he's wrong no matter what Why they told it Well, I you could if Lucas was on record saying he only did this for the money I'd be like, okay, but there is still a story to tell. I know a story here. Yeah The prequels are bad poorly written films I stand by my statement that people that like these films are either drawing idiots that just like lightsabers or tiny babies Well I just I just find them fun. That's all They're funny movies. They're they're funny and goofy and I like that's fun. Yeah, it's like I'm kind of They're not if they were all mediocre I don't know how I'd feel about them But because a lot of them are especially the first two are so bad In these bizarre alien-esque ways that was what makes them so entertaining There is an element of man. It's fascinating that these exist Yes, they are fascinating and then this stuff that I think I legit enjoy too The weird mixed bags. Absolutely. Yeah Next we see our second usage of backtracking when we were reminded that Anakin was indeed a great pilot He was the best star pilot in the galaxy You see he knows how to say open all hatches extend all flaps and drag fins. He also tried spinning That's a good trick Wow, what a great and legendary pilot stop feeding us this pig slop Uh Like the I don't know that they're arguing that spinning makes you a great pilot It's just something that he did and it worked in that moment, which to be fair I don't know how much of a problem with it working in that moment Uh, where yeah, I'm the rockets slam into each other It feels a little afterthoughty his incredible pilotiness, but I'm Okay, that's something he's really good at I'm trying to think like is there any piloting that even happens in attack of the clones? Speeder and coruscant, but You know, I don't think he has a chance to pilot anything Yeah, he does the pod race, but that's different than piloting a ship Yeah, but similar ish. I guess in a way um Well, I guess I'm I don't know what would be because he called it backtracking. I'm just like, well, I mean he's just Piloting what else can you really do? Yeah, I guess it's just something he's good at we haven't really seen many opportunities where that sort of comes through But I guess it's something he's good at Best star fighter in the galaxy. Yeah, that's taken it a bit far but um Well, you said it was reverence, right? Like for we know he's exaggerating because yeah, it's exaggerating. Yeah Um, but you know the extended of Whatever he says drag pins whatever if he's like, oh that makes you a great pilot like well I don't know. It just that's probably just the thing you should do in that scenario. I don't know why Is he's treating the scene as though the scene is like let me prove How good of a pilot Anakin is as opposed to Anakin is just the best suited out of a lot of them to pilot that thing Because he's he's just the most talented in piloting. I don't know why we we can't be kinder to the scene and just be chill about it Yeah, um, he's good. He's good at flying. I'm fine with it. I I'll believe that he is he has he is talented at flying I'm only a half So I'm ignoring the logic that a runway wouldn't exist in a world where every craft can take off Necessarily a runway. It might just be a flat. I don't you know, I don't I don't know. Is it supposed to be an actual runway? I don't know. I never thought about it Uh, I just thought it was a large piece of land that you could argue the ships could land on it. I don't know If that's the case it would be odd that there's just a convenient runway in a universe where runways are not needed And I can't don't exist I'd have to hear arguments for what people think it might be because I wouldn't want to assume straight away It's a runway, but I really don't know. Yeah, maybe he does he pointed out when they're coming down. He's like, hey, look there He's that runway I don't remember Wow, what a great and legendary pilot stop feeding us this pig slop. I'm only half pig So I'm ignoring the logic that a runway wouldn't exist in a world where every craft can take off vertically But on a planet that's nothing but a city. It's a good thing. They didn't crash into a space orphanage Another happy landing another happy landing. What kind of crappy dialogue is that anyways, that's great. That shit's gold He's that's his personality. Yeah, I think that matches him well Dude, if I had just pulled that off we got the emperor. We killed dooku Grievous was forced to retreat. We killed all those robots We landed this half of a ship Safely and we're all alive and well and I'm sitting there resting at the end of a tarmac and I'm like man I'm so another happy landing I'm just like I'm gonna I'm gonna toot my horn a little bit there I'm gonna be so relieved. Have you planned your next fun jet vacation? These hotels and resorts come highly recommended by our knowledgeable team of destination Experts based on the enmities Allid added values and overall experience they provide and since we refresh the deals every two weeks There's always something new to check out. Check out these hot vacation destinations. St. Lois, Missouri Kabul, Afghanistan Sheboygan, Wisconsin Nairobi, Kenya North Korean holding cell awaiting public execution for spying no refunds Speaking of destinations. Let's take a trip to our film's main setting number five a war with no consequences The terrible result of the limited script focus is the lost opportunities of all the other elements at play Basically the point of all three films is just to get Anakin into the Darth Vader suit and to neatly tie everything together At the end and to make a shit zillion dollars in the end when you think about it nothing else mattered really Obi-Wan was static and boring As was Padme and basically everyone else And the ironic part is at the center of all this is the largest galactic war ever Which was used as a device by Palpatine to trick the senate into making him the emperor when he apparently had the ability to influence People's minds anyways could have skipped the whole war from the beginning I don't think it'd be that easy I don't think if you can control that's how you could control people's minds like perfectly It is a big galaxy You got to go around controlling a lot of people's minds to get yourself that kind of power control one or even 10 You have to get a shit ton Yeah Or is between robots and clons and just for the record I do think the acting and performance is a wooden but not obi-wan. I don't know why Obi-wan is the He's kind of the exception to the rule for pretty much everyone Um him and Ian McDermott. Yeah, those are the two that really stand out um The the other acting in this is just bizarre and weird The robots do try to conquer other planets like the wookie planet and the whatever planet But basically the effects of this war are not felt at all on chorus on the main setting of the film The whole war just seems like some kind of minor inconvenience happening somewhere out in space Even though it says otherwise Especially flavor wise if we got a lot more of this sort of Oh, man Yeah, well, I mean granted We're only a couple years in and that might take a while especially on a galactic scale for things to really seep into You know here But I think the the biggest effect of this is miles upwards. There's a huge battle still that's basically raging And um, we just don't care You know, like we're down here on the planet like we're supposed to be another world away. Yeah There should be like hell fire apocalyptic debris falling on that Alarms blaring and screaming randomly hidden stuff It would certainly give more weight if the Jedi got straight off of like another happy landing And then they pulled straight into relief efforts because Good lord The battle on that scale that close With all of the debris falling down to this giant planet city Yeah being able to point out a window and say this is why we have to end the war When there's like rubble here in the city like this is Coruscant of all places you think it'd be the safest place you could be but they could strike at any time with their droid army And oh you're already making me picture it rags The some kind of taxi that takes them away When they're all happy because it's hard to cut to tragedy after I'm saying another happy landing But you know, you have them all sitting down And they move in they have in a chat and then Obi-Wan just looks out the window and you can just see smoke buyers Different places loads of traffic things getting locked off and you can have him to be like this is sirens blaring Yeah, those little fire The those fire putter routers in the sky That has the most ineliquent way to say them fire But fire putter routers in the sky They could be out there just dowsing fires everywhere from the debris and just shit that's crashed Yeah, and you know, he just starts talking about how the war needs to end The opening title crawl Prada my combs are here on the window smiling. There's an active nightlife scene Ships fly around like business as usual And then they babble on about taking back whatever system in like a dry doll corporate boardroom meeting I've always hesitated on suggesting ideas on how to fix the star wars prequels because basically everything in them is wrong but Well, we feel that way about a different era yeah You know, because I wouldn't want to say like There is a lot of things you have to do to the prequels to fix them up Lot there is but they can be done Yeah, even the stuff we compliment when dug into pretty deep you'll find like uh, this doesn't really make a huge A lot of people say the strength of the prequels of the world building. It's like, I mean There's a lot of it. It could use some work. Yeah But here's a couple of simple ideas to make the audience care even slightly about what's going on One skip all that clone troopers crap storm troopers originally seemed to be just dudes in uniforms Like they never said they were clones In fact, they even small talked with each other. Do you know what's going on? Maybe it's another drill But you gotta do something with clones because they mention it you fought in the clone wars. Yeah, I got it. Thanks well, so I don't have a problem with them the prequels decision to do this I don't either It's how the army came to be and the circumstances like they said It's the how we got here to this idea that the idea is fine We have to work on how we got here and the execution of that idea. Yeah Very well, how about the clones are just like ugly cloned monsters Maybe like those things from the lord of the rings movies The or guh-tu Whatever the hell they were called the things that got birthed by evil magic then they attack This is a we've stepped so far away from The the story the prequels had now that I'm just like, what are we doing? I think this is a remix of believe me now by electric light orchestra in the back as the music, which is very interesting But I knew I heard I'd have heard that tune before but Uh, maybe someone in the comments will appreciate it. I don't know But yes, we have strayed very far from if well if I said to you guys like in terms of fixing the prequels Let's make it so the clones are actually monsters that attack the chorus and you guys are just like wow We've changed a shit turn already like whoa Coruscant suddenly this peaceful republic is thrust into war because clones from some mysterious place and outer space attack them Ordinary men are forced into service and die by the millions causing terrible suffering and chaos on coruscant This would make battle scenes more emotionally engaging Then after so many years of war it becomes commonplace or even law that able-bodied men must be a storm trooper for however many years And over a generation they become loyal soldiers But then you got all those admirals and this is stuff that's sort of in between This is more in between three and four um Stuff that's to be established near the end of three potentially You could work this into the idea of making the war more of a present force but I mean it's multiple ways to engage with this idea, but I just I feel like we're not fixing right now. We're just telling a different story All those other guys and they ate the bog effect clones They either signed up or were drafted Perhaps we actually witness a physical decay of chorus on over the duration of the war At first we see a ton of flying car traffic in the first film And then as the war goes on the traffic's down to basically nothing buildings are in decay We see food lines. Yeah, we could definitely do all this. I wouldn't be against this. We could yeah I'd be fine with some of these ideas that Palpatine would make speeches about making the ultimate sacrifice for the empire and so on Almost how a real dictatorship begins and operates instead we get this I can go early and fix up the babies See so I think there's a little bit unfair because we do get some Palpatine speeches Um, yes that relate to like the safety and security of the world. It's just that I think you just pick it up this things. It's awful And it is it is And I even at the end of the special edition of jedi they show chorus on Celebrating the destruction of the dust star and the city basically looks the same If you were an average joe the rise and fall of the empire might not have even affected your life in the least bit It seems making the sacrifice and might not. Well, that's the thing. Yeah, it might not like that is yeah For a lot of people. I mean that's something that I think the sequels in particular Fails to explore certainly in the Mandalorian. They fail to explore it The idea of most people probably don't give a shit if it's the empire or the rebellion That's in charge, especially when you're talking about the galaxy scale Well, I think a dexter and his dino man, like he's just doing his dino stuff. Yeah, what changes for him really Yeah, it's like the empire. I'm gonna f***ing bodge it and be like f*** you dexter your diner is too liberal Yeah, it's the the peasant who's just a farmer his whole life just doing his own thing With his family does he give a s*** who the king really is and that castle on the other side of You know england or whatever he probably doesn't this I imagine there's lots of people on Carson Especially the other side of the f***ing planet who probably like the jedi Yeah, there's those weird people in the in the town and then you read the newspaper And it's like the whole place was blitzed and all the jedi had dead. You'd be like, whoa Wow or alternatively you'd be like, okay Well, I was gonna say like they might be shocked at the news and they'll be like Anyway back to my cereal anyway. Yeah back to my blue milk Man, it sucks that a bunch of people die Yeah, that stinks. You know war stuff. You know war is terrible. I hope it's over soon in the newspaper It's like it really affected me that much the jedi tried to assassinate chancellor palpatine You know the war hero that's gotten us through that you'd be like, oh, we'll f*** them And then that you have I mean, what if yeah, what if there is a you know, it's mentioned. Hey, we're running out of clones So we we've been explaining clones too fast. We might have to actually start drafting people Yeah to keep up with the numbers because we can't you know The war's not going like terribly, but we're gonna have to start seriously considering these sorts of things So this drag is on for too much longer That's the thing if they made episode 3.5 and it was about the transition of clones into Conscripting people and you can make any reason you want like the clones aren't creative thinkers or something and thus they're actually valued at much less than the individual soldier that's conscripted There's a lot of things that could happen like I said, I'm pretty sure canon is the An enemy used a genetic weapon that wiped out the clones or something like that The rebellion out early pointless nice job everyone no one cares Well, so this is the thing I think you can apply that to the ot there was probably some guy Maybe even on tattooing just doing his farming And it's like weeks after all of the events of the ot someone tells him by the way the empire was f***ing toppled he'd be like Oh Who's in charge? It's like All right Moving on in my life. I don't know that that makes it so that the events of the ot Thus have no meaning to general people. Yeah, they'll just yeah They'll just be like oh so like my credits are still good, right? Yeah Yeah, like that would be the first concern most people probably across the galaxy have is like so My money's still worth money, right? Just so we're clear. I got plenty of blue milk to sell. So I hope you know, we're still in business Number six fill her up With a lot of nothing makes sense. So again in this film We're told about those wacky fun adventures that anakin and obi one have that we don't get to see Are you all me one? I'm not saving your skin for the tenth time Ninth time. This is less so a floor more indicative of a floor, right? Like it tells Yeah, this is an attempt to fix a flaw. Yeah, and just like in the last film anakin hangs around with proud of me while obi one goes off on a mission by himself That's pointless to the ultimate conclusion of the story I Pointless Literally ends the war man. Come on. Yeah And to be fair it attack the clones his mission. He discovers county who and genosis and everything. Yeah Not His missions are actually quite important Here's this like the main plot of the movie every time and Saying like, I mean You know, he spent some time with anakin and this one I guess it is similar though to attack the clones because they have their opening mission in that as well It's similar here where it feels more apt that they have time apart so that uh, he's not there to help him Yeah, this this is the movie to do that. Yeah in attack of the clones. They should have been together the whole time This is what they call filler and it's nowhere near It's not filler. I don't know how you could call this filler It's definitely not filler because to clarify for those listening something being filler doesn't even make it good or bad Or not being filler doesn't make it good or bad Yeah Thank you. So I I don't know the last time we ever referred to anything as filler, but like I don't remember either. I just it's just not really are The way we look at things I suppose we just don't I just don't really think about things as being filler or not I think I want to try and avoid it because I feel like there are too many instances where A focus on the idea of whether or not something is filler has just derailed the conversation And of course I get the flashbacks too if it's not relevant to the story then cut it out It's like what is relevant to the story mean? Is it just plot because character can be happening here Yeah, and how long should a shot along a lot the landscape shot last Exactly Yeah, is it filler that it lasts for a while that we see the pan over the you know environment? I don't think anybody would agree with that People that mean it's something you might recognize in Like like after the fact you might go wait did that was it there was her points any of that? Oh, I guess not all right moving on It's the thing is there's usually going to be an argument for any one scene feel like it's all filler It's like so all I've got to do is find one thing that this scene adds to for the whole movie And if you you know if a character talks in it you might already have an answer in terms of just like it tells you something about them blah blah blah It's the kind they put in twinkies I like to fuck my cat Anyway Grievous himself is pointless filler and I'm not sure I even understand him He's obviously a pawn of Sidious, right and Sidious is Palpatine And Palpatine's goal is to keep being voted more and more power, right? But yet he helps establish a centralized leader of the opposition And then they say this And I assure you the senate will vote to continue the war as long as grievous is alive Well, if the war is over then that could end the need for a supreme all-powerful chancellor that has more control over the senate Yeah, that's the plan though. He wants this to end. He wants to start up the empire Um And so I guess we have to assume he has the power once once he is get once he gets this power the war can end I just I interpreted this moment. I think we actually went over when we were talking about earlier But this is palpatine basically saying a jedi, you know, I know you like you fucking want me to stop having power But the only way to do that is to kill grievous And so he's like fine. Well, I think Mace would just says we'll we'll make finding grievous our like primary thing And because this is all going to be leading to the destruction of the jedi and then framing them for Being the villains behind all of this and then He can dissolve the separatists as palpatine And then establish the empire by basically giving a big speech to the senate about how look You need me as the grand ruler of everything because I won the war I uh was attempted people try to kill me Because they wanted to take uh positions of power themselves. It's like I think that's his whole argument, right? It's like I will make you safe. I will make you secure vote for me sort of thing And I guess he figured this was the best time now. He's It was gonna be eventually because like the logic here is like Just keep the war going for literally ever when what he wants is a prosperous empire. He doesn't want one at war Yeah Like I don't know this lines up to me There's little details and logistics that I would totally take issue with but I don't really take issue with the idea that He's going to enact the plan of destroy the jedi and create the empire at some point If he does not give up his emergency powers after the destruction of grievous That he should be removed from office. Hey, how about this the realm down? And by the way, that's the thing that you tell to the senate Everyone in the senate or you put out a public message or you put it on your twitter or whatever the whatever the jedi Have going on that's something you tell to everyone the official position of the jedi council The order of peacekeepers is that once this super powerful politician Does it need all of these super powerful powers at his disposal? He should relieve those powers and we return to the way things were And then everyone in the senate's like, oh, yeah, I suppose I have so that's why the jedi stand on the okay I got you I just feel like in this universe. There's no pr. There's no social media. There's no journalists There's no just like public info. Have we ever seen a journalist in this universe? I don't know we have I don't know It's just you wonder if those those people surely exist in this world. So Well, probably you just wonder how he relies on the senate like lovin him, right? um In implying the maybe they don't even want him deposed even though that is legally what should happen Um, and he's just relying on the jedi deciding to take it into their own hands I guess it's just it's weird I because you don't get because the senate as this amorphous other group that sort of exists in the aether of this story You really wonder a lot of the times what's going through their minds, you know Yeah, I feel like it'd be cool to have some scenes of palpatine We're trying to maybe achieve some other things during them But having palpatine be clearly very lovable The other systems and working really hard to get around to basically everybody Yeah, there's he doesn't have like an assistant with him that you could say all right according to these like These polls or the survey or These people are worried that the war will dot to dot to dot or these people are really concerned about a separatist attack And their faith is in used dwindling. He's like, oh, well, let's see if we can have the maybe we can see if the jedi can go To planet ordo circularum and they can go there just to establish a stand by garrison or something like you don't You don't see him doing the thing You know we're just Or the circularum hate him right he could then orchestrate more of his separatist armies to go there Put in pressure on their planet and then he can be like i'll help you i'll send my clone, you know And then he can make it to the separatist lose on purpose He can be like i saved you with my amazing emergency powers and my quick wit and you know You guys you must like me now, right? Just you know, just things like that We do constantly talk about what if we just didn't have the phantom menace and we had that second movie And that would be the thing that you fill up that second movie with we need to see palpatine Doing all of these things that he needs to do to get the senate to really really like him and trust him to the point of Like almost craziness. They just essentially say like yeah, you're the dictator now When he says i have the senate, we kind of just accept that we're like, oh, I guess, yeah Okay, he's he's had enough time that now the senate basically just are at his back and call You're like, how did that happen? He like just sort of did Yeah, it it is Go ahead Theo We kind of just have to accept it because instead of dedicating time to showing what palpatine's been up to I guess we needed grievous in a lizard bike chase with obi-wan I don't know. Revenge is pretty packed. I don't not to say that this seems that we could Not like this plenty we definitely remove. I really do think it's the fact that we wasted a film Yeah, I wasted at least a film time in general. Yeah, like we wasted an entire film and we wasted a lot of time In the two remaining films, I think I think attack of the clones waste a lot more time than revenge of the sith, but I would I think so too. Yeah, I'm building the love story. What are you what are you talking about? well, I think It does feel that way doesn't it though But like this story the story that this because this is the story like I think we were really invested in Like everybody was invested in in the concept of the prequels um, so really There should have been when I'm making it there should have been consideration for like We want to maximize this story So we need to spend a lot of time in the preceding two films To build up to this But it kind of doesn't feel like that was what happened Like phantom menace is there doing its own thing and then we jump ahead to where the relevant plot starts to happen And even then the main things I remember Attack of the clones doing is explaining why we have clones Why we have clones anakin and over padmate really love each other. Trust me I'm kind of there's a lot and there's a lot of They're it just like with the relationship as you said, they really love each other. Trust me I have a really difficult time believing that the galactic senate is just like yeah, you can be the dictator now Yeah, I think that's way more important Yeah, that's a really hard sell. There's a great irony here Right, like oh the problem with the prequels is too many boring politics. It's not enough boring politics This whole fight was like the clone wars began because a huge amount of systems got fed up with the republic And the people in the republic at the end of this conflict They're just like, yeah, let's not be a republic anymore. And you're like, how did this happen? Yeah, you're right because like he the main evidence he uses as well the jet I went rogue and tried to fucking kill me We need an empire. He like what is that? Yeah, but my planet still gets representation like that like okay But my planet of you know 10 billion people or or my species of you know 500 billion people spread across like eight 87 planets or whatever Like we're not just gonna give up our representation and our ability to vote on things Um, no, I think to be fair. I don't think they do lose it entirely if you remember a new hope opens with saying the um Somebody being all the old. Yeah, that's right the remnants of the old republic I think what we're supposed to think at the the end of this film is he's introducing the idea of an empire And though it takes that long to make it so that he's got the final word on everything And even then he makes the death star to basically be like, all right now if you don't fucking listen Exactly. It's a long process of consolidation of power because yeah, it has always had to do that Like even after like even after Hitler became chancellor There was a lot of political suppression and stuff that still needed doing Consolidation of his powers and you know, I think he's just selling the idea of an empire at the end of this film He hasn't quite done it yet Right because you can't just do it that quickly. I mean this is a this is an old institution Still comes off very strange that you just he's able he just you know goes he leads with the I agree. I agree Because the the war was won during the republic. It's not like You know, like like, oh thank goodness the empire was established and it won us the war It's like no, we want it being a republic. We fought real hard Maybe that's what we need to do Flip the events that it is during the middle of the war that he begins to consolidate more power Yeah, he's like iron fist level decisions. And it turns out that they Because It's it's like a textbook thing of Organize or like conspire to organize some crisis or you know, some which we just don't get enough of And then my correspond that one Yeah, that's exactly This is the seat of the government Like look at all this wreckage that has fallen down on Coruscant look at all of the innocent, you know lives that were lost in from the debris and the You know as casualties from you know all that sort of stuff They're here on our doorstep guys. We gotta I I need to be able to just make these decisions. It's very important It's really important. A lot of people just motivated by fear. It's like, yeah That's what you gotta do. I feel you know, you got like that's what you have to do So many avenues because he's he is both the leaders of the good guy and the bad guys So you just need him to create a bunch of situations where people are in trouble and then save them With his you have radical ideas that everyone is against but he iron fists them in and they win like And so people like oh god, this guy knows what he's doing I don't know. It's typically not something that we discuss too much, but That would be so much more thematically appropriate that people they're afraid of the separatist army And as a result of anger and hate and all that Yeah, yeah, so you play in that you have that if it happens Anakin's afraid of do's in this So he does that the republic is afraid of do's this So they do that and yeah what we learn is that you that's not the way You're not just like i'm afraid so i'm going to take the the shortcut like the the quickest most expedient routes of what i want regardless of the consequences That's not the jedi way the jedi way is patience and calm In the face of a line from a dark night where it's like they were afraid they turned to a man They don't fully understand or something like that That I mean that that sounds like a line from uh, I think that uh night yeah, um So almost I really stick a looking at this guy on the left. He's just really I don't know if he's having a bad day or no. He seems how do you walk? Uh, imagine you just you're part of a species that just ends up with a huge double chin That's just even the thin ones. I like that. It's beautiful to them though. It's very The more chins the higher status you are It's how the males fight for females. They they spin around and thwack each other with their massive chins. I knew it So that was our discussion How about this the robot armies are controlled by a yet unseen force master jedi this wall could go on forever Except for whatever we just wanted to go on for forever. We did talk about this um I think I think what plinkett's saying is that he wants to give the impression to the republic that the war could go on forever No, he plinkett's saying he would maintain more power. And that should be what he he chooses to do based on that but i'm saying that Ending the war in axis plan to erase the jedi and then engage the empire plan At that point. Yeah, like he because he could do well He could you can do both in the sense of he could get the Republic worried that this war could go on forever. We don't know when it's gonna end But he knows secretly he knows how to end the war But he wants to play up the idea that it might never end So that way he can have the fear of the republic And he has the ability to when the time is right actually end the war. Well, um Sure, but it seems to me that what the film is going for is he's dangling grievous in front of the jedi and saying kill him And i'm done And so they kill him and then like you're done now Um, and then to the point where they try and kill him I think that's what his goal was I guess so I suppose that plan was really poorly executed. So I it doesn't really even it almost like it makes me wonder How do you not reveal everything to anakin? Would the jedi have Tried to kill him or would they just be like i don't know that they would have killed him that feels They would have tried to remember Are we supposed to believe that that was all palphtine's plan to telling anakin around the time grievous was defeated So that anakin would tell them and then they would come and try and kill him and then anakin would come right in the last Minute, you know, I mean like the timing no all of it is so like come on pal What a genius what a genius You get the impression that maybe was some other plan, but uh Maybe because anakin was just that damn. It was just so easy Yeah Shockingly easy. Yeah, but palphtine basically said I'm a sith lord and then he was just looking at it like what will he say? You have a diploma The reason he tells anakin to tell the jedi where grievous is our clean intelligence units Have discovered the location of general grievous I guess so that obi-wan could go away and that palphtine could have more alone time with anakin to try and sway him over to The dark side But then when obi-wan finally kills grievous palphtine then springs his strap to have all the clone troopers kill the jedi's And then he blames the jedi's for trying to take over Why didn't he just do that before what would he have done if grievous escaped again? Or if samuel l jackson didn't when you keep it going Yeah, I try again. Yeah, you just try again the work keeps going and then you try again. You can have multiple attempts to kill Yeah If the jedi tried to kill him whether or not grievous is dead he can still sell that as a you know They they're trying to fucking kill me but guys the fuck Side note quickly. This isn't a big deal, but I find it somewhat strange how they The way this is Killing general grievous ends the war Well, I guess they're just saying that once they have no leaders Though they're done and they only they assume the greatest is the last leader I do be more ladies. Yeah. Yeah, there should be a hierarchy of some kind, of course. Oh, absolutely I'm especially on this scale. There should be this is not a war Oh, yeah, this isn't It could just be a dramatic over simplification what they're referring to actually it's just once he's gone They're gonna be in disarray and it'll be easy to win the war at that point I I think that's probably yeah sure to assume if we're being good faced. Yeah It's not like the droids will surrender. They need someone to fucking do that for them And I it maybe they are aware that the other separatist leaders aren't fucking happy with this war anymore. I don't know Maybe maybe but that would be another one of those things where it's just I need to know more about the stakes of this war in the state of both sides Yeah, they definitely don't detail it and it's honest to basically just assume Based on human history what they might mean. Yeah And then he melted his own face What was he gonna spring this trap anyways if all these events didn't occur What if Grievous got killed and then they said resign? Well, is he gonna just take out a lightsaber then? I mean, I I do wonder like if what if the Jedi were literally like we're gonna appeal to the senate and If the does Palpatine hope the senate go, you know what we like this guy a lot We're gonna just leave him in power anyway I guess he dies And this is the thing if someone said of course that was his plan. I'd be like, well, that's not really in the film Is it like I don't of course saying I am the senate is not exactly very convincing like You just wonder and you're supposed to just uh, yeah, just understand that the senate really like him You're like, okay And yeah, so they you know, they wouldn't vote for him to lose his eye You do I do want to see that scenario run down the Jedi are basically calling his bluff and they're just like chill And they're like, oh, hey, man. You know, you did a great job knocking out grievous. Yeah, it's great So those emergency powers, I guess I guess that's it now, right? Like kappa face Everyone's like no Well, he he would be like Um, again, I don't even know. Yeah, I don't know what would happen necessarily I guess he hopes the senate would say now we want him to stay in power. He's really good That's really good at whatever it is. He does. Yeah pick out a lightsaber before We'll be able to capture that monster and end this war So what motivation now that the war is over would the jedi's have to try and take over and it's really apparent Well, they just don't want one man having so much power, right? I'm assuming that's the idea. Yeah, essentially That's fair And what if the republic what what's all the people in the public are like, oh like so we're gonna have a point That's the thing. We never really get to explore that By his actions help Well, I was just thinking imagine if you had those conflicts and people started protesting the jedi Yeah, like fuck you. Why are you trying to bring him down? Like he's he's he's saving the people going they were right Palpatine is going to become a dictator. Yeah, you have like a faction who like trust in the jedi the jedi are always right It's like Guys, well republic, let's vote on it. It's out of the question Well, imagine they did and they you know, it was like was 60 60 40 in favor of him and he he was elected as permanent Chancellor with the major powers was like, oh, okay, and then the jedi like no, we have to kill him I don't care what democracy said which would make us go Yeah, like that's mace windows for he's like nah, they got it wrong Look democracy is what's that clip from that fucking guy with a beard where he's like It means that all of the people make the decisions, but the people are retarded Like that That's what mace windows says Patine is the one who's trying to take over. I mean he is trying to be the supreme chancellor forever Is everyone blind and stupid which leads me to my there's a bit of that. Yeah Not picking up his evil plans my next point number seven is everyone blind and stupid every character is dumb But who's the dumbest Let's find out just how stupid is yoda. So yoda might be a powerful jedi But why is he is not? Get it. I did like a yoda thing besides always having a look of utter confusion on his face about everything all the time Yeah, that's confusion. No, let's get said look confused. Yeah, he's like, yeah, he he That's a pooping face right there. Oh, yeah Ability to use the force other than to throw rocks I think it is time we informed the senate that our ability to use the force is diminished Yeah, that's throughout the prequels So they're just like the jedi should be able to predict a lot of stuff because that's like the whole thing But they just keep telling us now we can't sucks Sorry, is it why is the wind is it why is it window because window wants to tell the senate this But he doesn't want to tell the senate that there's a sith lord in fucking charge of both armies and also it's palpatine Yeah, you're right. It's like our force is a little cloudy We'll tell everybody about this. We're just probably not the wisest thing to tell everybody actually that's where I was going Yeah, I was like, maybe don't tell people that Um, maybe just don't let everyone know that you're just a weaker faction now essentially um Maybe think about springing that one on the world But um, yeah, you definitely want to tell him about palpatine being a sith lord who's in charge of the separatist secretly You definitely want to let them know about that you'd be a fool not to And uh, yeah, we the reasoning we're given is there is a sith lord. Therefore we cannot see Blah blah blah, but it doesn't work both ways like it seems like palpatine's powers aren't affected by the jedi being there at all Like it's the the dark side clouds the light side. It can't work the other way around Okay Palpatine can diminish his ability to use the force and why is that only limited to the mental and not the physical Or anyway when Anakin is I don't know that doesn't make any sense, right But it would if it limits the mental it wouldn't necessarily mean it limits your physical abilities Yeah, I don't I don't think so. I I always assume that it just made it Difficult for them to use the force to see the future or scry or whatever. Yeah, like if it was a wifi thing The palpatine being there just makes the signal weak. You know, like, oh man, my download speeds really shit Yeah, I don't see how that we get in the way of your lightsaber abilities or There seem to be a whole other thing like you do training for that physical training, you know Raging with frustration and worry about padamay's inexplicable impending murder by pregnancy Yoda can't tell that Anakin is one hiding something really big Two is madly in love with hot pants padamay. Three is just teaming with irritation and frustration at the jedi And at every aspect of his life I mean, I kind of agree like they even highlight that he's a bit flimpy on that that laat rides And I just feel like nothing's being done about this Yeah, they just sort of let them just stew. Yeah, I'm hoping to end up with, you know, the chosen one You know I was speaking to him He was in a dark room with his shaders all day, but I was just like, oh, that seems like an evil pose Really evil I was to describe it We're in the third movie of six guys. I feel like it's gonna go real wrong I guess the dark side clouds everything but by just looking at the guy I can tell all sorts of things are wrong And I'm no psychologist In fact, I threw my last psychologist out a window for asking about my dear mother Bury them under the floorboards Harry No one has to know It'll be our little secret So how stupid is yoda? The guy is like sweating and he looks evil There was an element there was an element in these films of if you look evil, you're probably evil. You're probably Yeah, it just seems to be that if you look like jesus your attack of the clones obi one Sins basically makes all the characters null and void and utterly stupid does his mind clouding ability have a range Like when yoda is on kashik is he like Hey Wait a minute. I do like that idea like There's a radius for the wi-fi block and so he gets outside of it. He's like, whoa, hang on Whoa, I'll make sense now Palpatine's behind it all Unfortunately, the debate is not over The senate will never approve the use of clones before the separatist attack This is a crisis the senate must vote the chancellor emergency powers He can then approve the creation of an army The entire senate is filled See, I feel like they would know that though is like, oh You know like the only reason that they're voting him in is to So they they won't approve the creation of a clone army But they will say that you can approve the creation of the clone Which is like Like I don't want to think that all the politicians in the galaxy are just that thick Um, I can't remember is that because the difference there is the chancellor palpatine has control over them versus It might be that he could make the decisions on the fly Whereas decisions made about the army have to be voted on on the floor, which is just going to take a lot longer Well, like I assume the senate have more trust in him as a person than in the collective group Well, I assume that would be a separate issue from like if you approve of an army You're also approving of the people who lead that army as part of that Well, let's I guess that's what i'm suggesting right because if they approved the clones Without giving him emergency powers and stuff who controls the clones exactly at that point I assume that's part of the approval process Well, because like it seems to me that Giving him the emergency powers means he's the one who has like The big say on where the clones go and what they do Yeah, so not only does he approve of the clones he approves of and controls the clones and we're handing him power Well, yeah, but I think the implication is that everyone likes him us again. I don't think they justified it We'll showed it. Yeah, I guess that's the idea. Yeah Though you would think that an again Like the scale of this really fucks with a lot of stuff in the story of We have all of these generals across the galaxy commanding all kinds of different armies Like this planet has its armies and its generals this planet has this armies and its generals And if everyone Contributes, you know generals or leadership to fight with the clones instead of using their own armies And we're not even going to get into the fact that they seem to be absent um There are planet wars that could go on for so long that you might even forget about carcin in terms of like The culture or whatever you're just like, yeah, i've been fucking in the trenches of you know Oogley boogley for so long That uh, who cares what the people back in carcin say about what should be done on this planet? It's down to us and the generals here Absolutely, and you wonder if those people become separatists or that would be so cool to talk about and show it sure would Build with stupid idiots Yeah, okay, that's true. Yes, but I was talking about this senate Okay, so during the fight scene with samuel l jackson palpatine's own electrical Discharges either melts his face or like revealers true form is some kind of really old monster I'm not sure which because the film doesn't tell us I always thought the emperor was just kind of really old in jedi and just kind of looked back I'm willing to admit that when I watched it. I assumed he was some kind of non-human just because the way he looked Um, I always thought it was like the dark power changed his body. Yeah Something like something's up with him that makes him a little bit non. It's not just that he's old I figured there was more than that Yeah, a lot of the dark side users do tend to often look evil I wonder if that's just an aspect of the dark side Whereas with christopher lee there is almost an element of are you like that huge into the dark side stuff? Are you more a political? kind of guy Is struggling with being on the dark side? But he just considers it the avenue to best reaches political goals. Oh, yeah, I mean he's just private. Yeah. Yeah Oh, I want it. Give me redo the prequels Do it right now But now he has a giant puffy inflamed monster face Look at lightning all over his face, but it didn't turn his face into a puffy monster face But anyway It didn't turn his face into a puffy monster face Very true How's the senate that the jedi an organization of monks that have been the guardians of peace and justice for over a thousand generations Have suddenly decided to take over the world. Oh, and I just yeah, no, I agree with this too I want to see more reason for the senate would believe that the jedi had pure evil Yeah Suddenly whoops the jedi had to be exterminated guys. Oh, oh boy. Um, anyway, so I'm gonna be dictator now Because if you're one of these senate seats and you just told the jedi tried to assassinate me We managed to Eliminate them entirely. I'd be like, whoa I don't believe you again Don't the jedi have loads of children Do we wipe them out too? Jesus? I need proof. Can you show us the security footage from your office? He's like, no Oh, I use my emergency powers to say no Yeah, it's funny. It's like he shows the footage and then it shows the spin. It's like it's a good trigger All right, geez And it would be really neat for him to at least try and show the senate the clip of just mace windows saying like I'm gonna kill you and manage to maybe doctor a few lines to put together so that he said something like You know the jedi democracy will never return you have lost It's like see he hates democracy. Oh, wait. No, but he hates democracy too. That's Oh, yeah Just so seeds of mistrust the jedi believe that they should control everything and that after the war They're tired of doing things like peacefully and carefully. They just want to be dictators. It's disgusting and horrible And then yeah, just I don't know anything Propaganda like fuck the jedi have been killing people or doing The jedi don't care about the troops. They just send them in to get killed Yeah, anything that makes me think. Oh, yeah, the jedi. Maybe they're not cool But the we're just the senate of just this big brain that we're told things about Like they think this and you're like, oh, do they okay? Oh, I wonder why they would think that and it seems so unanimous Yeah, this also happened to look and sound like a monster that wants to take over the world Don't mind my creepy black cloak my horribly evil sounding voice or terrifying a face I do. I do appreciate that. It's like why do you look so evil? You do just you do look very evil. I was I was scalded their attempt to assassinate me. You're like, okay I guess Also, don't mind the fact that I'm yelling about creating a galactic empire run exclusively by me Don't know you see it's the jedi that are the ones who tried to take over And that's the thing. It's really simplistic. George wrote it So he's just like you'll have safety and security with me and leading the empire and then everyone she is All right, I guess sounds all right. I want that You could like when we're coming up with the idea for the prequels So we'll bite bed she's like that'll be the main thing that convinces people of the empire Okay, you're like, all right. So now we need to get to the details. How do they you know what things happen? What do people say? Because telling us that is very baseline thin And that warranted the mall being executed by the army that I control by myself without any kind of trial in the courts To prove that what I'm saying is true. Yep. We just killed them all Including the children and then we burn down. Yeah, I yeah, I agree. I feel like yeah, absolutely. You're right You're right. Yeah, it's it's like bad. Just the fact that nobody's like Hmm really like the senate just you have to burn it down, too Well, bailout gun is in the senate What if he had the balls to just be like I must speak and then he goes I witnessed the clone troopers gun down a child Exactly and imagine all the people in there being like wait. Oh god. What geez? And then you have Palpatine be like and what was this child doing and and and you know Bailey be like, what do you mean? And then they show the clip of the kid just attacking clones out of context You know, you're like having that back and forth the senate are like, oh my god, they teach children to just fucking kill people Geez horrifying self-defense, you know and stuff like that. Just just but no no, no They're temple and you're all just gonna have to take my word for it. Trust me. Look at my face What? Trust me. Look at my face Trust this face. Look, it's really far away in the senate. They can't see the goopy face Even his two like people at his side both look evil. Yeah Look, he's gonna look at his horns. One's like a fucking cinnabite and the other one is some blue horned wizard He's gonna stab. He's gonna cast a spell They're like, oh my god, you're just a fucking triad of you're the trinity of bitches Uh, it's funny because That line is like the best line at all of resident evil is delivered by a character who I don't even like do you guys remember his names? doctor Isaac um I think so I just called him jorah. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, because there's like three of them because there's like one the dead one the two clones and the jesus one Good times. I've successfully eliminated the only opposition. I might have had to form my own galactic umpire Please continue with the applause So remember to vote palpatine in the next election that will never happen Because I said so now is he controlling everyone's minds or is the senate that stupid? Listen, if we if we brought all this up to someone who then said he's controlling everyone's minds I should be like, well, what a fucking worthless story No, I and also no, I don't buy that. I don't buy it either. But even if you did buy it I should be like, what value do you find in this story? We're just controlling everyone exactly What what is what is the cool aspect of his scheme if it's just I'm gonna make him believe me Well, and also it doesn't seem to work on bail or Padme like no About that because there is no mind control. No, it's bullshit That's just stupid argument. Even the genius padame is listening in tenth. I'm not sure what's real or not And padame is a brilliant genius. We cannot let a thousand years of democracy disappear Wait, hold on is is it a thousand years or a thousand generations? I will not let this republic that has stood for a thousand years be split in two You know when writing my review I originally wrote years Then I had the sense to go back and check out what Obi-Wan said in star wars. Yeah But over a thousand generations the Jedi knights were the guardians of peace and justice in the old big difference Oh, yeah, you know, there's a big difference between here and the generation Maybe George Lucas should have gone back and looked at what they said before filming the fucking movie general crevasse the stupid dumb It's just the flat delivery of a what sounds like a fucking Just just a guy who doesn't give a fuck like So palpatine orders gravis to move on separatist leaders to moose the far You will be safe Gravis is apparently I guess the question marks are like What do those two stateless have to do with each other? You'll be safe. It's an organic planet It's like those don't sound like they match Does this mean like this war is being ended by assassination is that like that's a bit You're putting all of us together. Okay Yeah, you'd be you'd be surprised that they don't risk in the best place They don't have a preference to be like, no, fuck. I'm not gonna must I'm gonna stay with my armies Yeah, I have like a planet and people and armies and stuff I'm not just gonna listen to you. You're you in charge of the military. Not me Well, uh, there's one of the highlights. It's like you fucking cow dooku just got killed, bro Like I'm feeling we're not in a good place right now I'm a military leader because he has the rank of general, but he just says yes Without even thinking about it and steady should probably say Um, that sounds like a great place for some kind of ambush if they were to discover where all of the separatist leaders are On that it seems like they were already all on youth of power So I don't know like it it seems like that's just normal for them But at the same time I think it's strange that none of them would be like Actually, I don't really want to go on this weird holiday with every other leader To the volcanic planet. Yeah Subject wouldn't it be smarter to spread them out all over the place so that Stop asking completely logical questions Yes Modes tedious Wait Who are you again? And where are you from? You don't need to know that's often sort of like that's I think it's fair What is their understanding of who he is who is he outside of all the prequels? We never really they go as far as being like he's a mysterious guy who seems to know what's going on. We'll listen to him Yeah, like why are you listening to this dude? Like what what if what if it doesn't work out? Like if like you have a lot you seem to have a lot of stake in this fight As the separatists, but what about him does he just can you just go home if you lose like what? We have to believe that he gave them something right or like he Because with the trade federation folks. He was like you'll I'll get you Naboo I think that was what made them trust him I didn't work out did it No, you'd think that that would really erode a lot of confidence in his ability to yeah Then again, he probably blamed them I was like you guys fucked up a plan Yeah, I'm I'm just like who are you why do we listen to you? What do you have to lose? What's your you know, what's your stake in this fight? That would be so funny if there was like the evil Jedi council They're all discussing their plans and palpitas they're offering some stuff and general groups at one point It's just like who the fuck even are you like why are you even here? Do you just like yeah, what's your name really? Where do you live? He's just like I'm gonna go now. Bye. What planet are you on? I suppose you always had Count Dooku vouching for him as a separatist leader When in reality knows him as a Sith Lord So you get credibility there, I guess Maybe the thing If they had written it so that Count Dooku was the most respected and loved leader in the separatist army because he's an X Republic X Jedi who is talking about their flaws and how they needed things need to change And then if he says no trust this blue ghost guy, he's totally on our team. He's real good. Trust me. He's a good guy You know that could make more sense Usually there's a reason why Like the you are the big evil bad guy because You funded it or because you have all the plans or the smarts or because you're the one behind the technology Or yeah, you're the organizer of it, but here I was like, why are you? Why are you here exactly? Well, how come you are the leader? Why are we listening to you? Do you have a military experience the droids are provided by the trade federation aren't they? I assume that it's That they have some system where the trade federation provides them They probably get all that separatist chip in to pay for it something like that Yeah, all I'm saying is like it's not Palpatine that's providing the droids. So what else he provides like maybe he's provided money I don't know I he's I guess he's providing something. I mean advice His advice isn't great though Maybe see again He could provide amazing wins for the um The separatist because he has so much knowledge of the other side, right? But we we don't even see that in the prequels where like he gives them information He says like go attack this planet. Trust me And then they win it and they're like wow like you you know what's up. You're a good battle strategist That's why we trust you Yeah, lots of just empty calories We have a lot of empty calories You know who I am or where I'm broadcasting this hologram from Just do what I say. Where are my parents? I have a pair of pantalons for you to wear They're stylish Who are you stop asking me who I am Obi-Wan Kenobi is a stupid asshole idiot head Obi-Wan Kenobi is a stupid dumb asshole too I already mentioned how he says stupid things in the beginning But then he rides around on some kind of dinosaur for some reason And now all of a sudden he enjoys showing off in this movie. Hello there I got nothing for that. Just yeah, I mean it was really If I was grievous, I'd be like kill this guy. Yeah, kill him It's almost like yeah, but grievous really was the water whatever. I'm just like, I'm not even sure that is In grievous's character, you know From what we see The kind of person that wants to win the easiest way and fastest way Yeah, I mean if I was grievous, there would be an element of like what? What if If I was for the leader of the droids down there and he jumped in I would be looking at you guys like is this happening Is that Obi-Wan Kenobi? It's just like it's just the hologram or something you poke him like are you seriously How did you get here? Did you take a spaceship? That's another thing, man His presence should make you go. Oh, fuck. Like everyone get the fuck out of here evacuate get to the next secret planet Holy fuck if he's here, there's a good chance the republic are right behind him Yeah, shoot him on the way out, but we gotta go go go go pack that shit up. Oh my god. Leave the dry ice We gotta go instead grievous assumes like you must have just come here on your own Just to be annoying and I'm gonna get I'm gonna fight you with my lightsabers really poorly. Yep Instead of waiting three minutes for the clone troopers to arrive and using his surprise That would have been so much more intelligent too. Yeah, they're all distracted and then he jumps down He's like, hey grievous. I'm gonna fuck you up Yeah, what he knows once the clones start attacking grievous is gonna bolt and that's when he takes his fucking lizard And he chases him Let's feel weird. I'm not gonna say it's stupid. It's just it's just strange. It's like I have a lizard creature Dinosaur thing like all right I mean, there's no reason for it because if they were like, oh out here on the sand dunes There's an element in the sand that makes the repulsor is all flimpy So we have to use you like in the first episode of mandalorian Where they say, oh the only way you can get there is on a blarg and then they just they like I don't believe them And you know, yeah, yeah But they at least try pathetically to say it's the only way to get out there It's one step up from saying nothing at all. What do you say? No, you gotta trust me No, you gotta use a blur. You can't use a speeder I don't believe you but at least you tried to lie to me and I guess I appreciate that more in a weird way. Yeah Eyes advanced to kill grievous and end the war patience Use the force think you foolishly jumps into the middle again He did that in attack of the clones, which is I don't I'm not sure exactly what they're trying to say But Obi-Wan in the prequels that he was more Is he could one say that he's he's not exactly Maybe buy books. Yeah, because like in a new hope. He's you know, he does some he does some stuff that's pretty risky I don't I don't know that we're supposed to believe Obi-Wan is very straight laced and like by the book jet I like yeah But he doesn't come across. He's not stupid in a new hope. Well, so yeah, I want to clarify This this isn't this is really yeah, this doesn't count like Even the one we when we talked about jumping out and grabbing the droid in attack of the clones is like that was really fucking stupid as well Could easily been killed Yeah, that's an Anakin thing to do imagine rags. They use the force to pull the droid back I don't know the forces only allowed At very specific circumstances. Yeah, and they're not the circumstances that you think they are ever Um, so yeah, like I don't know that I'd argue that it's not in Obi-Wan's character to do anything reckless But at the same time it's no one's character to do what he does here like who the fuck's doing this This is this this is taking it to another level This is the kind of action that you take if you know that the universe has to bend its plot in order to help you Succeed full of a bunch of bad robots to apparently challenge grievous to a duel or something All them robots could have just started shooting them to death That'll be one just I was gonna say if someone was like well, we might get some crossfire But like it's worth it knock out what like 20 droids for the Obi-Wan tell you yeah I'll trade a thousand droids to kill Obi-Wan You know, so I was like well, he could just jump up. It's like yeah, but they don't even try I'd crossfire a thousand droids before I let this Jedi die And I'll silence anyone who gets in my way Stands there while grievous takes like 15 seconds to remove his cape unhinge all of his arms and grab all of his legs I'm willing to allow the Obi-Wan is like I will defeat you in a battle Also If you're if you jump down there and you are not immediately shot to pieces And grievous is like okay. I will fight you allow him his theatrics Yeah, I'm chill with that moment. It's like sure Obi-Wan's Jen if you look at Obi-Wan's face, it seems he's excited to fight him Yeah, and so we just have to go with that. I guess Obi-Wan does want to battle him. He doesn't just want to execute him Yeah, and he doesn't want to get shot to pieces by these robots because the robots are stopping so that they can fight So as long as you're fighting grievous, you're not being shot by a thousand robots Which would probably hurt Which would probably hurt Adam and cut his head off in like one second Eventually though after another pointless unexciting tensionless sterile dull consequence free lame tiring Visually exhausting chase scene obi. I don't agree with all of them. Um, that's fine A lot of it's very like subjective like if it is not exciting It'd be like, I mean shit tons of people would find that exciting. I can understand how Yeah, it's just a matter of the fight itself is shit And then he just force pushes him away and he shoots him in the end. There's not enough Uh, the characters using the agency they have they keep only using it when the script is allowing them to Obi-Wan does kill grievous with the blaster by shooting him in his heart So uncivilized No decapitating people is uncivilized And I'm also sorry that you're so stupid that you failed to see the obvious tactical advantages of a projectile I think you don't need to it's sarcasm. I think I don't know you need to take it that literally I assume Obi-Wan's having some fun saying that I don't know that we're supposed to actually believe that he thinks it's uncivilized to use guns I don't know. I guess I I guess I wonder what the point of the start the point He's trying to make is with the sarcasm Um, maybe the he uses a sword and that is maybe they're associating like the clearly a sword is less civilized because it's old attack and so it's ironic Silly that he would he would say I don't really know It's like the sith lords are our speciality thing or you just have to like stop and what is he trying to say? The same thing happens in black panther. Uh, a coye says the guns are uncivilized or whatever compared to his spear Yeah, or primitive. Yeah Which is just fucking not true to say that guns are uncivilized only to then use a sharpened stick That's what I'm saying. I Assume that's what george was going for to make us go. He he because he uses a sword, but I don't I don't know In black panther. I think it was like meant to be how she's right in black panther It was definitely supposed to be she's right because his spear is magical and does magical things. Yeah But so fucking stupid that they have spears by the way Yes, it is god that really sucks thick It's one of the oldest pieces of technology Do you remember the when when like the infinity war when the army's coming at them? They all have to awkwardly aim their spears to shoot Because there's no sights on yeah, how do you yeah, you don't put this like I bought it. Why don't you have rifles? You have to eyeball it. There's no other choice. You have to It's like, yeah, it's it's it's it's like a resident evil of fire Was it retribution? There's no sights on the machine pistols She uses the whole fucking movie and like that does right how do you yeah, how do you how do you how? How do you shoot at things? You just eyeballing it? Yes, terrible terrible terrible. Yes, but yeah, I I I'm not sure For a second there. I wanted to defend this line, but I'm thinking about it I don't even know what was happening with this line really. I don't know Maybe someone else can explain it better. I just I'm not someone someone who responds to this Let us know in your response What obi-wan really meant and tell us what we're missing by his strange comment Weapon also like I just saved your retarded ass the jenna council are all stupid fools and they don't know what they're doing I sense a plot to destroy the jenna I sense a plot to destroy the jenna So the jenna I have their dumb meaning to talk about things one of the topics is who's going to go to kill grievance Remember killing this guy will end the war So they pick obi-wan over anakin for no real reason when they both could have gone um Don't they went in a kind of round to keep tabs on palpatine and they I think they'd say obi-wan is just the most seasoned Jedi so like yeah I don't have a problem with that. I in fact, I guess I don't have an issue I would I would have sent I think the issue is sending because they are sending obi-wan ahead of the clone art clone army Mm-hmm because the clone army is just like they're inexplicably so I assume they were sent So Yeah, both went to rescue palpatine, right? But then they decided to give anakin the mission to spy on the chancellor instead It's very dangerous putting them together. Hey, well then don't put them together Why don't you spy on him by watching the security holograms that record what's going on in his office? We don't talk about that The presence of security cameras in this trilogy is a extremely tenuous one I think yeah, like I was yeah, I think he brings it up because I'm having like Thinkings of like wait, I feel like we've taught us before everybody's like, yeah, just download all these videos, man Can you not do that because this is this is amazing content to show the senate They've just got access to security footage from his office very cool Well, this this this moment is from um After he kills the children, right? Or is it not? I'm not sure actually It's we were talking about how is it weird that he's in his office Well, how strange because it looks like it fast forwards, you know when he presses a button And then it fast forward like hey good jobs killing them children Yeah, I don't know But again using jedi wisdom they just sent one guy to go kill the main bad guy So is it wiser to send you over they send the army after him? Yeah, and to be fair all the jedi are very thin right now in terms of they're all over different planets fighting wars and stuff I don't know that that's a problem and I think you can believe that obi one can assassinate uh Grievous What he ends up doing is pretty stupid, but like you you assume that he wouldn't do something that stupid You would assume Totally pointless battle between robots and sasquatches or pointless battle. I mean it's not pointless. This is the war Yeah, and they don't want to lose because she gets an ally Yeah, this is the droid attack on the wikis. We've heard so much about yeah, kili mundi. It's fucking very invested in this Going to the place where gravis might be in helping to kill him How important can't rescue it. I don't think so I guess he's trying to say that like this war would be irrelevant compared to ending it by killing gravis So send everyone to go get him and it's like but these walls are happening at the time that we've discovered Grievous should be killed in ending the war like these walls will be fought even if grievous is currently You know getting killed Yeah, it takes a long time for a war to end Yeah, you gotta fight this war You're gonna fight this war and you got to send someone to go kill grievous Like I don't know that you can you you just go ah the wukis Yes, they'll they'll lose a few people but the wall will be over so it'll be fine It's like I don't think it works that way Planetary system for another day really be the brilliant script does have an excuse for this lack of logic and it's this However, it may turn out just to be a wild banter chase. Oh, that's a good reason. Just to send one guy That is a good reason Uh, if if they've got bad information and he goes to a planet where grievous isn't at Then you haven't wasted because let's say for example You did send yoda and a bunch of other jedi and loads of clone troopers on top of the ones that are sent And he's not there. That's all time and resources that could have been spent saving other planets I don't I don't I don't think that's bad reasoning Yeah, yeah, um if he if it was like maybe just send to I'm like fine, I guess but I don't have an issue with this really What if it's not a wild banter chase also, who's in charge of this war? Who's like the george washington here? Is it yoda? Is it the jedi council? It seems like during charge because they keep talking strategy We're keepers of the peace not soldiers I can't fight a war for you. What about the tried attack on the wookiees? He said it cone had died. I didn't remember to mention Do you think I I am a little bit confused on this is like so the jedi decide everything to do with the jedi But they also seem to command the clones But there are they told what the clones are supposed to do by palpatine and they're just logistics or Yeah, like they have general orders from palpatine But then on the field the jedi will tell him where to go and what to do. I don't know It is either way It seems so unthinkable to me that the jedi are operating in this Administrative capacity in a war over clones who are literally bred for this exact purpose You'd think that you'd breed some clone generals and some clone lieutenants, you know Yeah, you'd have your clone command structure and maybe you know some actual people from the republic I don't know It seems like the jedi were just like we're gonna lead them and you're like, oh, are you like, yep Are you what why are you? I thought you were keepers of the peace not soldiers Do you know stuff about logistics mr. Yoda? Are you aware of how to wage a war? Yes, he Go on to the battles and fighting It's about getting the people and the and the equipment where they need to be at the right time Just think of the fucking logistics how to just feeding clothing maintaining an army supplying them You are not you're just not capable of doing that if you don't have experience in it Like that is a super me logistics is what wins wars And if you put that on a galactic scale and you're like you just have to have borderline geniuses who are organizing all this stuff Even just broad strategic and operational goals. I have no idea Why I would have any reason to think that the jedi have any skill in terms of strategic planning and you know Yeah, imagine events like We've gone to planet a because that's where the separatists are and they arrive and they're like they just left They've gone to planet b like fuck I guess we go to planet b and as they go to b the separatists arrive back at a and shoot them from behind And so it's just absolute chaos logistically like oh, fuck Some of our men are still on the planet a we've got ships that aren't even prepared for battle All of our offensive ships have just moved to planet b. They need to come back You know Basically making it so that a team of 100 can be be beaten by a team of five Depending on how you you know execute things, but we didn't get any of that in the prequels Not that you have to but like you're going to be an interesting Yeah Or at least further justify how on earth the jedi ended up in charge and why they accepted that state of affairs In the wookie planet, they probably all just would have forgot about it. They're like, oh, yeah, that's super important, isn't it? He's right. It's a system we cannot afford to lose It's like he just casually brings that up and that one line changes where everyone's gonna go Ladies and gentlemen, if you've ever wondered how a war would be run by disorganized hippies Here it is Then as if their strategic decisions don't make the jedi council look dumb enough as it is How they deal with the power hungry chancellor makes them look even more dumber The dark side of the force surrounds the chancellor The opportunity is to stop palpatine's plan and prevent and it's such a light of like, oh Really? That sounds bad. He's like, yeah Yeah, like, oh Okay, tell someone Again from becoming evil we're so numerous and obvious that they could be put in a giant list Let's do that. Shall we one tell palpatine that his term is up If he changed the law argue to make a new law to change it back Then ask him to state his reasons why it shouldn't be changed back Ask him to explain why he in particular is so qualified to conduct a war use the process against them Have jemmy smiths call for a vote or no confidence in palpatine if step one doesn't work The reasoning is that if palpatine doesn't to be fair We are told that basically mace winter doesn't think these things will work And that he wants to kill him prevent him from winning this way The idea that that's what they go to first and don't even try to do another option I mean he does say you're under arrest and then he later says Uh, he has control of the senate and the court. He's too dangerous to be left alive All I'm saying is the film's argument is that mace window does not believe these other strategies would work Resigned then he would be fighting for an unlimited term for no good reason He would be going against the very foundation and ideology of a government run by democratically elected officials based on some set of rules or That is true. Unfortunately, they seem to cheer when he announces that the empire is the thing soon, you know Like apparently they are on board with him just taking control And what is that? Let's say like an empire, right? What does that even mean in this sense? what now like an like What's the like an empire? in terms of Like the structure of the government. Do you mean? Well, like what does that mean here though? Does it mean that so all these people who are cheering for an empire? Like what do they think that means? Well, he tells them that it means they'll be safer and more secure I'm assuming that's what they're clapping for Yeah, like they're He says I'm gonna make it an empire and everyone just fucking cheers and like but What does that even mean because they certainly don't know because that in and of itself doesn't really like mean anything Yeah, I mean a lot of this comes back to every one of this universe as an idiot So The the simple shit we're given is they're all sad about the war and don't want to die anymore And then he says we'll be fine and that will be fine because of an empire They're like, whoo empire that that's what that does. I guess So like because in this sense because an empire is when you have Like a bunch of states or countries and they're all controlled by like an individual Generally like an emperor Um But So I guess it's just so but but they already had a system Where a bunch of different planets and governments all contributed towards this republic So the only difference now is essentially i'm going to be in charge of everything now So it's going to be an empire now Again, I think they didn't justify this but I guess we're supposed to think that they all love him and they think he's fantastic And that yeah, he should lead everyone. I don't know Maybe I I guess I'm like you though, right? Like yeah, it's super unlikely. I assume rags You'll want to maintain control over your planet. It's like I'm good Yeah, um, you know, I'll help out with republic wars and hopefully you'll help me out when I get Attacked, but I don't know about the whole like you control everything that I do Yeah, um Yeah, we don't get to explore any of that Yeah, like now that the war's over and we don't need you you're gonna control everything It just baffles me You're gonna have to work hard to convince me of that For a constitution. I love democracy Find out facts about the clone army. Look into where the clones came from a little more thoroughly than not at all Look into how it let's be fair. The whole clone thing is fucked. We tried to talk about that with Attack of the clones. It is so fucking confusing. Um, it is It is the fact that they're all they are all jango fet. How is that not already like wait, what? Was this guy who approved it being this guy? Who is that guy evil? They're like, yeah, so how did this happen? You're like Well, he was just a great template because he's uh He's a good guy By the way in the cause they find out that the clone army was bankrolled by Dooku like dooku as to run us. We'll see it. I know Chunks of that as well. Thanks to the games. There's uh, the bounty hunter game Like it's all about how jango earns getting chosen as a template Um, and tyrannous is the one that's like guiding you through the game So it's a guess that's the way of making that Understandable, but when we covered attack of the clones a lot of people were like angry at us for not knowing the The kami noeans were evil and it's like that's not in the movie It's not in the movie You have to you have to piece it together in a way that I don't think I I can't remember how I worded it when we covered attack of the clones But my conclusion was the film accidentally Stumbles into the idea that it makes more sense if the kami noeans are in on it Because it makes more sense if they are But that raises more issues But I think it solves a little bit more than it it makes more sense that they are in on it But I don't think that the film does anything to even really hint at it You just have to pick it up from details that the film doesn't intend for you to pick up Like it's it's happenstance that it happens to be nice to have one thing be explicit like one line somewhere that's like Oh, oh, okay And even getting into the bank rolling thing The republic is gonna want to know who's paying for all this that But the first thing they're gonna ask is who's paying for all of this Or who did pay for it and then there's just like what we just we don't know It's what it was just a donation from a mystery like what what what's all this Well, fucking insane and confusing without be if they did find out your count dooku funded the clothes You're like, I'm sorry what? He's isn't he like the main bad guy right now finding him Yeah, why would they send count dooku to do it to even have that be a thing? Why would dooku be using an alias? But why would you even have that be a thing that could be discovered just uh, Yeah, I don't know. I don't know how many people know Doth taranas or whatever. I just it's just why why have him do it anyway You you think you'd want someone else doing it. I don't fucking know. It's They didn't spend enough time on that one for the movies at all I'm not I'm not gonna pretend like the clone was Is apparently gonna fix it all because I doubt it but uh, it makes it worse Oh my god, there's many people in chat right now like shut up. Theo. It makes it great They find out explicitly that dooku is taranas and he paid for the clone army and then they just decide to do nothing about it They have a big meeting where they sit down and talk about it and they decide actively to do nothing about it Writing If you suspect palpatine is up to no good try to sense his emotions if he's able to block you He just might know the ways of the force Specifically the dark side. Hell. Just fucking ask if he's assist. We might just tell you He might yeah, you know I am a sith lord Your girlfriend is dying. Perhaps we can save her with the dark side Did you know that yaddle is gonna die in childbirth? No No, not yaddle Metachlorion count check his metachlorion count get some blood from his stool Physically confront palpatine or instead of confronting palpatine inside his private cramped office hallway Wait until he's in public to arrest him eventually He'll try to escape or attack you and then he'll be exposed in front of everyone If he doesn't then you oh, yeah It's one of those things where everyone in this universe is a huge idiot And the worst possible way that you could have carried out this plan is the way that they did Imagine you arrest him and because he can't like make a scene in front of the public And then you fucking like just do a standard search. You're like, is this is this a lightsaber? Is this a lightsaber? No, it's a dildo Red it's a red lightsaber. It's red. You know that that means you're evil, right? Yeah, no Only evil people have these. I've seen the movies. I just like red. I just I like it It's look. I needed a butter knife and I went to the store. That's all they had Let's do it. Let's do a metachlorian test on you. No. No, that would be it's an invasion of my privacy invasion of my blood Yes, my blood my body So many That's a lot of metachlorians. Jesus Christ. Planket said get the blood from his stool easy Yeah, kweitkom's turning over and it's grave with all of these metachlorians you got He walks into Palpatine. You are the chosen one. You're metachloric Yeah, yeah, you're the Fuck the zanakin kid You can actually arrest him like planned and elect a new leader in his place Use blatantly obvious evidence to your advantage Before confronting Palpatine with a lightsaber again in private with no witnesses Show the damning security tape footage to the senate, which is actually in session at the time you find it Agreed You throw all good points or take it to some place and broadcast it over the news But if you need to directly confront him then at the very least Team up together and murder him Send me to kill the emperor I will not kill anakin in status. That's actually a good point. It's like, hey, how about we both kill both of them? And then yeah, exactly two against one, you know feels like stronger plan Uh, Obi-Wan and Yoda should have first attacked palpatine and then went and killed anakin How's that for wise? Put me on the council coach. I'm ready newt gunray is the stupidest asshole ever This fucking idiot has been around for three films and is the dumbest person in the galaxy In the franto man as he was involved in a pointless business I don't know man suggesting just shoot people. That's just like a good idea Think of all the problems that would have been, you know saved And it just stopped if you just some if just just shooting people Like don't do this ring of a roll where you're trying to do these fancy pants kills Do just shoot them. It'll happen. He says patience. She will die I just want to see you get ripped apart by the creepy wolf dog monster alien thing Instead of shooting creepy. Hmm. I think we had a discuss It'll I guess it'll be out our discussion on which one would you rather like have to fight or something like that Yeah, I think we talked about it. Yeah, well, well, we'll save that one for when those happen In this arrangement with a distant hologram that looked like death and placed into a situation where him and his trade federation Were obviously being used as pawns in this guy's plans Danny gets arrested for causing a galactic war and yet somehow reappears in the second film Now he agrees to yet again. Yeah, apparently I don't know if there was a line for that like how they avoided just permanent jail. I'm not sure Yeah, I'm sure strings could get pulled with the separatists and stuff and law with planets and stuffy. I don't know Part in another scheme by the same hologram that looks like death This time his only reason for doing this is that he wants Prada make kill because he apparently blames her for the whole naboo fiasco Not that guy They did So even though newton is extensive trade federation, he was large enough to conduct a war Probably could have mustered the resources for a simple assassination He again relies on Darth evil to take care of it so that the plot for the second film can get going However in the third film newt gunray is still going along for the ride with all these jokers Even though no one is yet to kill pata man He seems to be getting nothing out of this arrangement other than the destruction of all his trade federation ships and robots Hey newt You're being had it's time to stop making decisions buddy. Okay. It's time to retire I mean all I'll say making decisions very thin defensive newt gunray It's just uh, yeah, he he's in way over his head and he's manipulated for ages until his last lines are basically just I don't even I hate war. Please stop. I just want us to stop and then he gets killed Like I don't know. I think we're just supposed to assume him as a character. He's literally just a fucking puppet Yes Yeah I guess but um, I still agree. It's just like he managed he went for a long time with all of this with really not much to go on Oh, I guess he died then Anakin is even more dumberer than new gunray So the dumbest prize award goes to none other than anakin skywalker I don't know what to say anakin wasn't really seduced by the dark side. He was tricked into becoming evil I don't understand His pathway there was bad or anakin is the dumbest person ever What do you mean possibly for example anakin discovers the padmas pregnant He then has a dream that same night that shall die in childbirth Yes, jedi's have premonitions about the future. It is the future you see Future And I guess he had a dream about his mother getting raped by sand people So anyways sitting there with palpatine and palpatine's talking about the sith again The dark lord of the sith and we're like Why does this guy know so much about the sith? It's like being in a casual conversation with someone that you've known And then they start talking about how they're currently reading mind comp Mike just raised an eye. You can do that for research. I don't know. Yeah I was researching the dark side You know your enemy and all that I brown would be like wait, what did you just say? About mind comp right instead of the fact that this guy's just talking about the sith and the legend of dark Plagueis or whatever anakin is just sitting there like a retard. Okay. I still say retard Anakin is just sitting there like an exceptional individual Magic trick to save people from dying good actually Save people from death. I will even learn to stop people from dying. Wow. That's pretty convenient timing I will then execute many children like Sorry, it just it fucking irks me to no end And it's not convenient timing. There's many there's years and years in between these two events But yeah, it's it's one of those like the anakin is an idiot It's like see he's motivated by wanting to keep people alive. Unfortunately. It ends up on a path. He's killing everyone. You're just like, oh Okay All right I'm willing to bet money that a palpatine had said, you know anakin The sith lords have the ability to save pregnant women from dying during childbirth I bet even if he said those exact words anakin still would have just sat there looking like a retarded neanderthal Oh, can I still say neanderthal? Good is a point of view The sith lords Yeah, that is the biggest red flag you could ever get from anybody good is a point of view If anyone Fun fact from efap wisdom if someone never starts conversations or explanations with well He's good and evil. He's just points of view Red flags everywhere all the flags Bring it up everywhere. It's like a fist fight on a soccer field A similar Idiot maybe this guy that seems to despise the jedi and keeps talking about the advantages of being a sith lord Might be a sith lord a sith lord Yes, the one we've been looking for And they've been actively looking so stiff, man Everything is stiff. I mean, I think episode one is probably the worst, but cheese. They're all bad You just told me that the biggest villain of all time and the classic enemy of the jedi has orchestrated this entire wars in charge of the clones in charge of the republic and Yeah, I guess we can kill him We should do something about this sometime After we go get our start Yeah, coffee first come on. Yeah, we need the energy clearly we need the energy The sith lord Who could it have been Could it be this guy or what about this guy or maybe it could have been this lady Or maybe it was a pig So if this were the dark ages, maybe i might have died during childbirth I'm not an expert on the subject though. In fact, I'm not an expert on anything But really in this technological medical wonderland, how about you do a c-section with your lightsaber? Seems to be pretty accurate with it. I guess this is all just a matter of perspective But again, it falls in line with the fact that just the basic amount of common sense would have foiled all of palpatine's plans in an instant Yeah, I got not much to say here So yeah, we're having that problem again. I just agree with all of this Yes, this is all correct. Yeah, he's he is correct here I'm thinkably stupid in the prequels Everyone you dig into it. Everyone's plans start to fall the fuck apart Yeah Evil because he can't take a hint Even the nature of the dark side Even ray charles could see that coming and he doesn't know anything about star wars Then an awkward fighter susan anakin is forced to make a decision Help samuel al jackson in a robe or help this weird guy with the weird monster face Who just told you a very vague story about how he once knew a guy who knew how to save someone from dying or something All the choices clear like I said though I just it amuses me to no end that he's like, yeah, save people from dying He's like, all right. I'm a kill awesome. Samuel jackson now. Let's do it He's like, yeah, yeah, we can uncover that secret like and cover the secret You you're a you're a naughty liar. I thought that we had this under control It's like now we got to look at some books go look some history. I don't even know if we can do it really It's like oh But you know adikin doesn't give a fuck. He's just like, all right then What's next kill children? Okay take Here so long samuel I hope you're burning. How Oh Geez, I hope he had a stunt double for that Anyway, so anakin kneels before monster mash and pledges his loyalty to the graveyard smash And all of it was sort of involving saving padame To to plinkett's credit his evil did catch on in a flash. So at all it all kind of suits in, yeah Just taught me save padame's life then dracula is like Is the power only one has achieved but if we work together Dude, what happened to your voice? Yeah I know I know That's the lightning smoking finally caught. No, that's the vocal he he got vocal fried Oh You can make youtube videos now Wait, wait, what? Can't we do it like now my lady's got a pretty big baby bump And she does deliver two full-sized babies in like six hours from now Also, you never said it was a secret. Yeah, I've been tricked. Holy shit. What have I done? I just killed samuel l jackson for this shit Who's gonna play nick fury and the avengers movie? So despite the questionable logic and the very convenient timing of palpatine's promise to save padame from dying during childbirth Dumbass agrees to just go off and kill everyone to neatly tie everything up. It's it's absurd. It happens right next to that scene Yeah, I'm so sad about killing the Jedi master, but it's fine. I'll kill everyone else Yeah And for penny and for a pound Yeah Even though to him none of it would actually make sense go to the mustafas It is I I can so agree with this. It's such a jump. It's like, all right I saved you from mace windu and let's work on saving padman. He's like, yes, yes, yes But Let's kill the jedi You're like, okay I just need to go to the next step Oh, actually someone just posted this in my server. So, um, this is topical and coincidental Okay Just the fact there's a reference though Yeah, they're all star wars references And a halo infinite and someone just posted it in my server I thought that was a neat neat coincidence, especially because we're covering You know, like brevis says two of these You know, I just I thought that it was I thought it was pretty neat Pretty neat reference Also, I like any moment now I'll probably have to mute for a moment or so and I got a delivery coming in that should arrive any second So if I say hold on and I mute that will be what I'm going to do very well, you know Let's fucking do it system Wipe out viceroy gamre. Wait. Why are we killing the separatists? And how do you know where they are? Yeah, that's the the first question. I think it's like whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Like you have access to their location. You're like, yeah Why are you minutes? Is that a problem? Clone intelligence When he's like literally five minutes Just now before before base window came in my office. I got a text Yeah, what it's like water the odds pretty low. Anyway, go kill him Please pretty please Why didn't you just tell us where they were before? After you killed all the Jedi in the temple Now we're killing all the Jedi too What should I kill the entire senate? After you killed the senate I want you to kill all the senate one by one with your lightsaber Do you know he'd say yes because that's just how it works in this film Go and kill all the gun guns Padme, don't you understand? I did it for you Travel to Alderaan and steal everyone's left shoe I did it all for you Padme If the emperor was like kill Padme and we will save Padme I gotta do it Padme for you. I have to kill you for you Yeah, I didn't get if you thought about any of this. He's like, no Not even a little bit. Did I what? Why not killing besides Padme? Vader's pretty fucking dumb. Oh, it's done. Excuse me. Just a moment He's he's not a fan of the Phantom Menace you could say that Well, it's funny like I'll say about this, right? It's a lot of people do these sorts of jokes in this like, uh, there's the one that gets spread around where some guy bought Uh, a rose deco toy and chopped its head off Um, and they said like the polinkum videos gave birth to a lot of crazy Toxic people I was like, I mean, I feel like this would be classified similarly by a lot of people But we're supposed to believe it's just funny It's just a joke because because for us because we know that it's just a joke for funsies And then a bunch of assholes out there are like, oh, this is definitely like a real I'm gonna look super deep into this and psychoanalyze this. Oh my god He said not see and we have to ban him from twitter psychotic neck beard peas on video to prove that he stalls battle So he's like, it's just a joke. You'll be fine. Yeah, calm down fucking babies Number eight blue screen blues the magic of technology Magic of movies. Oh boy. It may be a very old alcoholic murderer But I understand the need to shoot stuff on a blue screen Also known as a green screen by racists It's a necessary tool for compositing shots together to make the new modern movie magic happen They've been doing tricks like that since the early days of cinema With rear screen projections Matte paintings and so on a lot of modern film makers have done some really great work with the green screen and Compositing and computers if you know what you're doing You could seamlessly blend everything together or create a movie that has a visual style to it depends on the movie though Hey completely agree so far. We're all good. Yeah, so far. We're good They don't film romantic comedies against screen screens and it's not a good idea. I'm pretty sure they do at least these days they do Yeah, I yeah, absolutely I mean, that's why there are scenes of black widow where she's just sitting at a fucking On a patio and it has to all be green screen. You know like like why though? Yeah, well, I'm sure we'll probably get into that in a moment. I'm sure it'll come up. I'm sure we will Here's the big butts come in no doubt try and pass off every single environment as a real environment The human eye can detect fakeness really well. It's not too hard I mean, I would say in this movie. Yes, but yeah, but it always depends on how effective Like I would I would say that there are many many many instances of visual effects That people don't notice and you need to point it out and then they'll notice and it's like oh god damn What about uh the the famous example a lot of people use against blinker is the um The audience in the phantom men is pod racing scene is practical A lot of people think it's shitty CGI. It's like what does that mean? What what's happening there, you know Yeah, exactly the clearly that acting I am well, yeah, it's just it makes it a little bit harder, right? So uh, because there are certain instances where it is real But for some reason it just doesn't look very convincing the conversation The conversation doesn't seem to go further than that a lot of the time. So for example Everyone watches infinity war and half the people come away going man The purple dude That was distracting the the other half go. What do you mean? Like it was amazing Now what do we do? Because it's like who's wrong Yeah, you can appeal to fidelity. I think but at the same time Yeah, sure Saying like the human eye can detect fakeness really well. It's like can it like a lot of the time You know like dune is going to be a good example as Ryan's brought before but You watch that movie. It's like I can't be sure of exactly what is CGI and what isn't in that There's a lot of stuff. I'm like, okay, that was CGI, but then the stuff. I'm like that Right and I mean at that point it's not really Fakeness it's like what kind of It's it's not that's kind of missing the uh, the most important part Uh, you know credit to black widow I didn't know the scene where they were sitting at the faken table was on a green screen until I saw the behind the scenes They were like you faken get me really that's what's gonna be the thing There are a lot of instances where you're not going to notice. It's because you you notice It you notice bad CGI. You often don't notice when it's good Like Except if it's something that's very obviously not achievable with real things When we were watching revenge of the Sith there were several moments We were like, oh that background looks so fake, but there was plenty of times I think I probably would have just been chill and been like And of course there is the question of how much are we paying attention to the fact that it's CGI Given that a lot of the conversation around the prequels is about the visual effects Because the easy thing again would be man, you know how much CGI they used in the sequels It was probably the same amount It's probably you didn't notice as much because it's better Yeah, um The compositing for people on the backdrops is like we're just getting better at that all the time We're getting a lot better at it. Yeah, we're getting a lot better at integrating Digital characters and things like that into shots and like we're almost jumping the gun here I'm pretty sure he's gonna be making this point But like, you know, if it was like you shouldn't be relying on CGI for everything It's like but what if you're really good at it? Well, yeah, um And of course, it's just the thing of like it depends on what um It depends on what kind of story you're telling like science fiction stuff is generally going to use more of it than Yeah Contemporary setting things, you know, you send ghosts for fantasy When they when they're building that scene and fell ship of the ring and they're like How is our big practical balrog looking and it's like it's falling apart It can't like we can't move it to make it look real Then someone is like, oh you guys really gonna rely on CGI. They're like, yeah What do you mean we don't rely on it? Yes We're gonna work really hard to realize something that will be iconic as fuck Um, and then if you go, okay Well, that's just one time and it was specific and needed. It's like, okay So theoretically this movie where every scene is that what now what? Well, I mean There are it's well 3d animated films exactly that because I would wait for I'd put down my beer trap And they'd be like there's no such movie and it's like actually there's a whole industry of these movies Exactly. Yeah Um, and I mean, it's interesting right because you've probably often seen on efebrates like man It'd be nice if they're worse of 2d animated films now, but it's not like a uh It's not uh, it's definitely not a slag against like 3d animated films. It's more just it would be nice if there was uh Still those 2d animated films like the lion king And you wouldn't have people being like, I don't know man drawn like how can I believe there's any weight to that? It's literally I mean, exactly somebody could be like, man, you know, like the little mermaid It's like these are these are little tune cartoon things But like you look at what pixar's making now like look at the lighting. Look it's incredible. Toy Story 4 Toy Story 4 felt weird to watch because I was like, oh my god. I've never seen woody in such like detail But I think that's the thing that a lot of people don't notice if you compare Toy Story 1 to Toy Story 4 night and day night and day People don't remember People don't remember or I think people remember it looking a lot better than like, of course Toy Story was groundbreaking revolutionary like Like it's beautiful in terms of We take it off. Yeah, this whole new world of 3d animation, but I think because we touched on it earlier, but um When it comes to like visual effects 3d animation cgi A lot of it is you are developing the techniques As the situation demands it like once a film is like, oh, we need to do this Then it's like, okay that now we need to think about solving this problem We want to do this now we need to figure out this problem Like how do we render skin that looks detailed or like hair or and okay now? We need to we need to render like realistic looking cars. How does the light reflect off of it? that's like that's the process it's highly iterative because There there will just be new problems that you encounter and then you need to get over them It's constantly building on on it and of course in order to get to where we are now We kind of needed this era like the prequel era of course where we hadn't figured it out Um in much the same way that in order to achieve the fidelity that we get in video games now We needed the playstation 1 and 64 era where everything looked really blocky and again That's that's kind of its own style at this point like uh 32 bit But yeah, it's just I don't know. I don't I don't like this just shitting on The idea of using visual effects. It's it's always a conversation of how well integrated is it that's what it's always going to be Let me ask you this Do you think in that in a similar vein? Do you think that people remember? Graphics being better in films or do you think they remember graphics being better in games? um I think that would depend on what era we're talking about but I remember this because I I uh, I remember I I watched recently some footage from like old mario kart games Um, and I watched uh some gameplay for mario kart ds and I like man I thought this game looked a lot better when I was a kid Like I remember thinking this game looked much better um And it's like hmm when you do think about Old games because I remember like I remember when I got my ps3. I was like, holy shit Look at this like Look at these graphics. They're inside and then of course you look back at them now. It's like, oh It's very rough. Well, yeah, but maybe you know, we still get surprised I think infinity war was a surprise with thanos and the Dune is a surprise for a lot of people visually like I think we're still going. Yeah, it's not stopped I think we're still going as well I because you often see people say we've reached the cap people said about video games and they're totally wrong on that like video games Can absolutely go much much much further especially considering VR is currently like in a It's it's almost like when we move platforms in terms of capacity for video games The graphics go back down again and then they start charging back up It feels that way. Yeah, um What's like, uh, it's like handheld as well, right? You look at the Nintendo. It's like, dude Super mario odyssey. That's like a mobile game Like but it ain't well because it you know Hopefully we're all still alive and well by the time v I'll guess the point of like the oasis and ready player one it'd be cool to try that out Which probably will but even then if someone said now it's up peak It's like no still not because there's there's a whole part where we all get plugged in directly like it, you know, okay, you know Human imagination is like we get we get more and more and more as time goes on And I think that maybe when you watch Jurassic park in 93 be like we've peaked. This is it. It's like no People keep saying that I'm pretty I'm pretty sure people thought they peaked on those like pre-rended resident able to like Uh cutscenes Probably lord of the rings right and I would even argue lord of the rings can beat out a shit ton of things that come out today And it's like, okay, but then we are again talking about execution, aren't we? Let me give your imagination a bit more credit Absolutely, there's so much stuff for us to realize still And also maybe just realize like the world it's a it's a pretty place out there. All right, we uh, we we got a law that we You know, it's still capture about the beauty and majesty of existence like graphics out there are thousands of years old Yes, well, um thousands like billions, but to circle us right back to why we pause as well Fakeness we can spot fakeness. It's just like No, if I don't know that's that simple. Yeah, if we're supposed to Yeah, yeah, because like like I said, I was saying rags. I think you were muted, but um That black widow scene if you if someone was sitting with me watching it The way on that table and they go oof that background's fake. I'd be like Oh, is it? I really I couldn't tell I I think it's silly But um, here's but what I'm suggesting is like I couldn't I can't spot the fakeness every time I don't think anyone can so I don't think that's the issue It's I and that I'm thinking about this now because I just looked up Like the Nathan Drake from Uncharted 4 and it's like man, this this looks like a real dude, but he doesn't you know, like Yeah, like you could you could tell that it's not um Like you look at it and it's like man, that is really convincing But also like I can tell that that's not actually a person Um, like I could tell it's a video game character because of just certain things that aren't as detailed as like a real person and yet If you present this to me But then you present something in like Revenge of the Sith that had more polygons like almost certainly Or just just more going on in terms of like detail. I'm like, oh, that's not as appealing And if that's the case then fakeness isn't really what's relevant here Like whatever fakeness means it's an abstract Yeah, lightsaber is a fake but none of us have any problem with the lightsaber looks in all these movies really Um, yeah, exactly So it's just yeah, I just struggle I feel like there's so much more to say on this subject And I do feel like Plinkett's kind of damaged this subject because he He makes this point a lot in these videos Right, um, you almost heard it off this video with that Yeah, and and and someone I'd be like, well, that's pretty faken harsh And I'd be like, I think it's just a matter of he did he probably agrees with a lot of the stuff We've just said he just didn't go into it. It's more of a It didn't go into it as much and everyone Everyone intuitively finds a lot of the areas in the prequels fake And when you see the behind the scenes of it's just a blue room. You're like, oh, that's probably why All right, there it is. It's fake. It looks fake. We thought it was fake We don't like that don't do that and it's like it's it's there's more to it than that but okay Star Wars is that even though we see the most vast and open scenery generated by a computer I just know that the actors are being filmed in a smaller space and restricted It just doesn't feel right and it shatters my suspension of disbelief constantly because it doesn't look real Here's a couple examples and I'm not sure what to pin this on the use of the green screen or just poor direction But it's a good example of why the prequels suck Okay, so like the most important thing ever happens Anna can tell Samuel L Jackson that Palpatine is a Sith and that he's going to get them all I think Chancellor Palpatine is a Sith Lord A Sith Lord we must move quickly if the Jedi order is to survive Then they just start walking at what can't even be described as a brisk pace yarn Now in comparison, let's take I'm not sure what that's to do with CGI or compositing Yeah, I'm when there's just space isn't big enough for them to walk quicker, but I feel like that's a set Yeah, I still don't think I don't think that's going to do the green screen. Yeah Yeah, that's just you you were in a too small of an area or they weren't directed to run Yeah, I would call this a writing slash directing problem Yeah, Obie Mace Windu should take out his cell phone and be like dude. He's got Yoda on speed dial. Um, he's like, hey Big G, um Yeah, you wouldn't believe what skywalker just told me and then they have like the conversation as they're running And then he tells see that clone over there. He's like, hey, hey palpatine's a sith lord And he's just telling everybody I don't know what the clones are. I wonder what those clones were talking about back there There's two clones talking to each other by a little battleship and I'm like, what what are you guys talking about? I wonder We will find out in a movie bonus movie about the history. Um, I don't want any more bonus movies But Yeah, if he said like a sith lord, how do you know that? And he goes actually admitted it to me and then you know He just stares at him for like a split second and then just starts running off and you're like and Anakin's like Whoa, wait, what are you what are you gonna do? And he's like stay here and then he's just going That that would be way more believable to me than something. Let's just calmly Do walk towards the Next play it looks like you were going that way anyway Even nothing changed. I'm going a little bit faster. Oh, let me see if I can slot this into my very busy schedule There's a war gone on, you know, let's see you meet up with this and there Maybe I could do a thing. Take a look at a scene from that recent star truck movie I So I'm just gonna look up how many visual effects shots for in this movie I would also think this might be a bit unfair. Uh, there are actually seeds in Revenge of the Sith, but I guess he's just saying like because over a thousand special effects shots in this movie I'm a little bit confused. Anyway, I don't see what this has to do is special effects as opposed to just direction I guess the logic is you should have built a set because look that you can run on this freaking green screen set. Well, yeah, yeah Yeah They're warping into a trap Yeah, this is this is complaints about directing then. Yeah, this is not cgi visual effects. Yeah Um, how about a sudden swell of action music as they run and the camera follows behind them in a frantic pace To gather other Jedi's to go confront Palpatine. Yo, what if that clone who like secretly knew about all this stuff? He hears those two talking and he's like He just like speed walks away Or he just walks up somebody goes What are you guys talking about because I thought you just said something like palpatine is like the Sith Lord Which sounds ridiculous and stupid What would you say that is so stupid Palpatine I don't know Maybe samuel was being discreet or whatever But the other way just sounds more exciting in a movie. I mean, we're not making straight story, right? But they probably just had like 30 feet of green screen and track to work with and those are the lines that they had I don't know if it's in this video But he totally recommends that jj should make star wars and he'd do a way better job And it is absolutely the funniest fucking thing now I remember in their rise of skywalker video. They talk about that. Yeah, they He's literally like, oh god, what have I done? Yeah He's like he says it's not my fault. I'm sorry. Like I didn't mean for this to happen To say I guess I guess it just would have been a lot harder to film if you had a camera with the steady cam and they're running through the jedi temple And it was all action packed and stuff that would mean Scenes where there were green screens on the head. Yeah, that's what I mean. This this argument doesn't work This is just direction that you're talking about. Yeah, you know like what you're suggesting is better not because of cgi No, it's just better camera work more intense. Yeah And the director is passionate enough to be like I need this happening this happening this happening And we're gonna have the instead of just Do talk and walk You could do all of that stuff behind the girl or in front of a green screen And stop drinking his coffee and they would have to move all the monitors and things But whatever doesn't require me to have to get off my chair or have to move all this shit Don't worry about the audience as long as you're comfortable while you're directing the film. That's all that matters Just have them talking in front of the green screen and use two cameras to shoot reverse angles And have them say the line. See this isn't cgi's fault cgi's sitting. You're like, why are you angry at me? I didn't do this Yeah, I didn't yeah, this is the camera placement in the direction. This isn't my fault Yeah, I I made lord of the rings the other day. Oh, what are you doing effort to valorize? I made those like two years ago Lines and just get the scene over with just sit in the chair with your coffee and watch those monitors Because then if you don't got to get up because maybe he's trying to imply is like it can get encouraged laziness But I feel like I could make that august practical effects It should be like you just go uh fucking you you practical effects man. Yeah, you make it and we'll sort that out later Makeup guy do that thing. Yeah It makes it easier. It is his way of actually trying to make the best possible film that he can I'm sure george thought that that's fine. I just I'm sure he thought okay and cut Okay, great another pretty clear example of green screen disadvantages when the actors don't know what they're doing Whoa I mean, that's just That's just funny and fun. It happens That is amazing when obi-wan confronts grievous I'm gonna guess they just had ewan mcdonald standing there looking into green Someone was telling him that grievous is right there Well, like the thing is he lights up all of his swords and does kind of this So my question here would be like, what do you think about stage productions? Like where actors have to really do a lot of mental Uh Mental leg work to like, you know imagine Is her a stage or anything like that? I'm gonna keep doing it Ian mcallan's fucking performance when facing the balrog makes you believe that balrog is there Yeah, and it ain't it ain't there Now i'm no director, but like maybe in this instance the director should have whoever that was I don't know but maybe the director should have been like, all right obi-wan Here's what you're gonna be seeing and then you do the acting and then we will CGI the things based on like where you're looking And Again, cgi is sitting there being like this wasn't my fault. This is george lucas fault They could have made they could have cgi'd whatever they wanted Because he's right, uh, there's a flourish and obi-wan is standing there as if nothing's happening And it's like, yeah, someone didn't tell him what was happening. Yeah Why does his right hand look weird on that lightsaber? What's going on there? I think it's because it's like in his robe Wrangling over I think yeah, that's why it looks very strange Kind of this like karate show-off stance thing, but it happens quickly right in front of obi-wan's face Gravers could have just lunged right at him super fast and cut him up into like 20 pieces He doesn't even flinch or react to this He just stands there probably because you one had no idea what he was supposed to be looking at at that particular Maybe That can be solved. Yeah, you go you and he's about to do a little flippy flappy What we want you to do is take a step back as he does it Yeah, he's gonna do this crazy flourish with four lightsabers So you need to like jump back or react or get put your lightsaber in between you and him Um, and what we'll do is we'll do like we can you do like 20 Like just just we'll do it like 20 times and I'll look through them And if one of them is looking good, they'll probably be planar that'll look fine But I'll pick whichever one's the best and then I'll send those to the CGI guys And then they can animate based on what you've done and it'll look great That because that highlights because a lot of this can be on because they're you know, sometimes there's nothing sometimes There's a tennis ball. Sometimes there's a person in like a green flippy suit Sometimes there's a prop that they have you act against Well, there are many many many different options that are available that are all ultimately leading to CGI What they did with uh, josh brolin, right like they put him in some weird suit Is there a tennis chin that he had I think well, one of the things I think they had was to make sure that the eyes were lined up They had a picture of like that head at the height that he would have been Um, and of course seems like a reasonable thing that should just be one of the default Well, one of the things that we can do now because of just the advancement is like There are ways that they can just review the footage on set like with With like the the motion capture performance like imposed in the uh in the shots like on set So they can check and see how it all lines up like we're getting a lot better at doing this Yeah, and let's be fucking honest here. Okay, someone said Uh, this this is still bad because it's too much CGI usage or whatever It's like but at this point the actors are getting what they need, right? And that you can believe it and so is have we not solved the problem whilst though Apparently not meeting the standard because I think look at this image. It's absurd, but that's the actor's job They have to treat this seriously Yeah And if someone said yes, but they're acting across from an actor and I'd be like, okay, but you don't I'm sorry I know because like there's the famous thing where Ian McKellen was like breaking down on the hobbit set Because he was doing full scenes without any other actors Which sucks Um, but these I assume are the challenges that you face in lots of these movies, right? Yeah You gotta you got to pretend to be a thing and deal with the thing that's not actually there. That is your job Yeah And I think that looking at this when if I arrived on set and they're like, this is the villain of the whole film I'd be like, okay Right and they're like no seriously you need to take this seriously. I'd be like, oh, yeah You get definitely But you know and it worked out pretty great. Thanos was awesome and uh at all in criticisms Granted this video was made like I said, I think in 2013 or something. So man 2013 was after avatar came out He hates avatar. I thought I think that's well I mean, I'm not a big fan of avatar either, but like goddamn avatar is impressive as a technical feat Hey, um, well, we had plenty of examples, didn't we? I just I don't know and Avengers was out by this point, too Like iron man's you know I think the ballerogg is better than the rank or that's a pretty direct comparison. I mean, yes Like who is is anybody actually gonna argue that the rancor is better than the ballerogg I think the people who will will say well practical kind of always wins out and I spoke it doesn't It doesn't just practical win out when we have the fucking elephants in uh In return of the king like what that's I fucking adore that shot and that's probably all cgi all of it Oh, oh, yeah, that is that is like 100 percent Returning to the king would would have been out for like a decade by now and it's like plinket. Please talk about that What do you think of that? Is that bad because it's not real and from king kong? What about uh, what about all those from uh rise of the plan of the apes that was out by then All those actors these are impressive reacting to the giant elephants that don't exist. Is like is that a problem? I man, I feel like Caesar actually is one of those ones where it's like Do you actually think this would be improved if it was prosthetics as opposed to this is a very realistic looking I think that choice is better than not only prosthetics, but also like training real monkeys. I feel like it's oh, I mean You're never gonna be able to get what you've got Exactly, exactly. But molly. That's all hollywood productions put you go Nice, I guess that's the thing is um You know are we because like I really like anti circus like I respect the hell out of that guy Well, he's he's a lot of he was king kong and king kong he does a lot of motion capture stuff and it's like man Like what he does is really cool and impressive and I don't like the idea of shitting on it because it's cgi Well, I think the caveat people would give you was like, well, no that doesn't count because that's a person Uh, compared to which is a great show, but I mean I But it's still visual effects. Absolutely. Uh, and I still you know the point still stands for all the other examples by that standard Um, yeah, there was no guy for the valorog standing there going Mm-hmm. And yeah, like and when we talk about the idea of fakeness It's like so I know that chimpanzees can't do what's happening in that film But nevertheless like I'm immersed in uh in in that um And and meanwhile there'll be instances where like I know the forest exists, but this one in black window Like it looks fake as fuck. Yeah, look real to me So I don't know what's what's happening there because you know There's a little there's kind of stuff stands out to me and it takes me out of the movie because it looks fake You know what else takes me out of the movie My spastic colon So that's what the doctors meant by unexpected fecal release I did write a letter to the staff at the cedar lane cinema apologizing for the mask And even though they did clean up a half a gallon of my feces They seemed to think I was referring to the movie. Damn, mr. Plinkett There's no need to personally apologize for the mess that was star wars revenge of the Sith It certainly wasn't your fault Additionally, we do thank you for your kind words about our staff and the wonderful cleanup job They did when your spastic colon suddenly released a half a gallon of fecal matter onto the floor of a cinema We would have never expected that one man could eat so much corn Please accept us and serious apologies for your film viewing experience Sincerely cedar lane cinema management t-neck new joysie. Well, I wasn't that nice of them The last example is the opposite of restriction and if you're spending enough time and effort on a sequence You can literally do amazing things That's I don't know if it was was he saying this does look good or was he saying it's excessive? I think he's saying it's good Yeah, let's say a restriction and if you spend enough time and effort on a sequence You can literally do amazing things with your characters and put them anywhere Let's look at that most of our fight Obi-Wan is mad at Anakin because it killed children Also known as younglings so that we don't have to use the phrase killed children Yeah And he's probably right about that Anakin is mad at Obi-Wan because Obi-Wan's a meanie head So they fight and they fight and they fight more and they keep fighting It was a challenge and the obi Anakin fight because three or four minutes in you get over the initial Explosion of the fight of why they're fighting It basically says that the character's emotional state is no longer important because the fucking fight goes on for too long That's probably why they have that little seed of like my point of view the jedi or is like remind us of why they're even fighting They explain in excruciating detail just how much work went into shooting a sequence like this And it's quite amazing the level of difficulty and complexity That feels like it's at odds with the stuff he said right at the beginning. It does Yeah, how does this we can just say this about all the things you said before? I don't know because like yeah, he's like, oh, this it's not impressive anymore and it's not Creative and it's like, I don't know it seems like we're highlighting how impressive and creative this is Yeah, look at how they because because this this feels to me like the thing right right here We need to know what this is going to look like Before we shoot it. We need to know where they are so that we can build the digital location to match All to make a sequence that the audience will ultimately find boring because there's nothing They don't they don't It's not I'm trying like I can understand Feeling that way about a lot of sequences if I come on the Anakin Obi-Wan fight come on By the back half To me I was like just because it overstays its welcome. I think I could I could agree to it being boring. It's long, but I just say I'm not bored by it I really enjoy watching it. I'm not saying people can't find it boring I'm just saying like if we're going to appeal to boring which is a feeling people experience You're not going to win that one with the general public. Most people find this part fun Anything else going on other than that they're fighting while the blue screen restricts in some cases when you don't want to spend Too much time on those boring talking parts here. It can cause creativity overload Look, I know shooting on location is a horrible pain in the ass and can get expensive And I got respect for lucas for the shitty one through making the original star wars film But really the notion that bigger and more epic equals more emotion for some reason. It's just a fallacy I mean, I agree, but that's not a cgi complaint. That's just a broad storytelling complaint. Yeah, like If someone you can go through big it practically you imagine someone said I was I was chill with a little of um, moria. I thought it was great helms deep Yeah, top-notch propellant fields like uh, they're just stuffing shit on the screen at this point And you know, that's not how you make something epic. You don't just shove a thousand elephants with two thousand horses And a bunch of dragons and shit like that's just excessive. I just feel like no It all depends on context I don't know like Feels a bit too broad there Portage of george making these movies. I see a few things I see a man that likes to keep pushing the envelope of visual effects And a man that likes to film scenes in the comfort of a controlled environment while drinking his coffee and watching monitors Still just the old fashioned way Hey, you guys see that one james bond movie called die another day Famously very bad But that's fine. There's a pretty awesome sword fight in that movie The neat thing about this scene is that it feels real The guys get tired and bloody and it really seems like they're fighting And not just endlessly hitting each other with glowsticks inside of a video again That's that's a complaint for choreography then right not Yeah, and again, I feel like the next person might just say no I felt the most weight in that fight out of all the ones in the prequels Maybe even all of star wars like someone could argue that It feels like we're in the it's hard to be definitive about these things With this sequence, it took 58,000 people to make 917,000 man hours and 243 million hours of computer animation Yeah, that sounds really hard like that opening scene It was just a scene in a movie where two guys fight It was just a scene in a movie where two guys fight that man that feels like That's not fair I feel like that's not fair at all Why simplify it like that? How long did it take for them to do the fucking Balrog? Which is just a fight between some spooky monster and a wizard Exactly, just have them fall down a hole and stab it like a practical monster Dude, you imagine you do that practically It's just a toy for both of them falling They haven't been dropped in like a sewer They just put a bungee, they attach a bungee cord to Ian McClell And they push a cliff and he has to act in like five second increments When they pull him up again and they push his old man heart can barely take it We did it, it took us 17 hours but we did it It's done Ian is just sharing in the corner We have to do it again and again Laying on the ground Sweet tariff film I'd have some volcano somewhere and film them fighting there I have a guy there with the scout machine That would have taken many, many hours I don't know that Does that just look better automatically? I don't know It could, it's still gonna be down to execution And then yeah It's always execution Now painting background or a computer background I have a guy pouring fake lava down the rocks when they're fighting And have the scene be five minutes The point is Anakin loses Stretching it out for so long and such an over-the-top show I don't know that we can say how long a fight should be It's tough, okay? The fucking Empire fight is pretty damn long And there's like three stages to it Off way only makes me think of one thing I think of a little middle-aged businessman Who's short, he's balding And has a tiny penis So he buys a red Lamborghini to compensate This entire sequence is the film version of compensating For lack of a story and ability to connect with the audience on an emotional level Now I ain't saying Lucas has a tiny penis Don't misinterpret what I'm saying This is an analgy Oh god, this has gone too far I've gone too far in a few places And there are two types of people in this world People that understand what I'm saying People that like the Star Wars breakables Okay, that's enough for right now I don't know about that I'm gonna head on Hey Hey guys Has anybody seen the keys to my red Lamborghini? Number nine The importance of Darth Vader The biggest problem with Revenge of the Sith And all the Star Wars prequels in general Was ironically Darth Vader himself He was way over-emphasized in these films for some reason And this is the reason why these movies don't work And look, it's got nothing to do with you So yeah, before he explains it I'm like, he was? I mean, I- There were references Again? Yeah But this also- These three movies are about how he becomes him So I don't know Yes I feel like this is what I would say about the sequels But even then, they- They don't bring up Darth Vader that much Yeah, not much at all Biden Christensen He had a fine job with the material given to him He's not a bad actor, could he? Leave him alone Even Sir Lawrence Oliver couldn't read these shitty lines It also wasn't the fact that Anakin was a jerk the whole time I mean, that didn't help But it goes beyond that It was the fact that Vader was just so central to this story And all the events of this universe Well, not really to these three You know, he's not central to- Yeah, go ahead Didn't the- Didn't the- I sometimes get this fudged In the original trilogy, he was like There was emphasis on him being like really important, right? Or was that more of a prequel? Well, a new hope He's an attack dog And then Empire gets upgraded to like almost main villain Yeah, yeah, of course People like him so much I- The whole chosen one thing That was a- That was prequel Well, this is the part where I'm getting confused Because it's like- But that is the prequel's storyline It's the Darth Vader, as dumb as it sounds Was created by Palpatine By manipulating the force or some shit And he hopes for him to just become The most powerful Sith ever And so he just tries to manipulate him up to that point And that's- He's saying like, you know, Darth Vader will become More powerful than either of us Like, yeah, that's what Palpatine believes And he's hoping to facilitate that I don't know that I have an issue with that I think it's- The whole creating someone of the force or whatever Seems dumb to me, but like You know, everything else follows That! Yeah One reason, other than he's Darth Vader And that he's famous to us I ain't gonna show- No I mean, I can see why you're saying that But no, they do have reason in their story Or at least an attempt at justifying that Since he first walked onto the screen Darth Vader has become a cultural icon All over the world Shut up! We don't even need to get into that shit We've all heard that crap before What if- I don't understand, these movies are his origin story He's gonna be important In some way To some people Yeah I look back at it from a story perspective In a new hope He was just a weirdo in a suit That doesn't matter It's fine Fine, I don't know He was a part of a bigger story Leia made fun of him to his face When he was standing right there I should have expected to find you Holding Vader's leash He did dirty work for Grand Moff Tarkin That's just- Let's Leia Yeah, just- Leia does that with fucking Grand Moff Tarkin as well She says I- I- Like you could smell your foul stink When I was brought on board She does that to everybody She's Leia Real commanders didn't really respect him They made fun of his religion You're sad devotion to them I mean, yeah Not only is it one of the- Look at how that stand out for him And the- This isn't, you know We've been- I've been critical of a new hope Sometimes, here or there It's been known to happen And I don't know that this makes sense I don't know why none of them are aware That Vader is a fucking horrifying piece of shit That literally is false chuggy to death Did no one tell this guy that the force is actually a thing that he could use? I guess he just didn't believe- He says like, you're devotion to a sad religion Is bullshit that he's just like- He straggles in with magic That just shows how good Palpatine was at destroying the Jedi influence Apparently Though it's only been- Apparently Was it 19 years? It's like, hmm Uh, I just don't believe you This guy would have been one It's like, he would have been alive for sure At least, I believe it is 20s then Maybe, yeah Across the galaxy? Like no one remembers? The thousands of generations? It was literally- What was with these people? They would famously use the force It's just- Yeah, that's what I mean People are alive now who fought in those wars Exactly It's a little bit of a stretch for me to believe that this guy is just like- It's like, what? There were no- There were no Vietnamese That never happened Your magic is a real spooky guy That ancient religion is not helping Until he choked them He even flew around in a TIE fighter Where he could have easily been killed What does that have to do with anything? I guess he's saying he's a small pot because he could have died But that's what I'm supposed to do with that I think Gramov Togin did die Vader didn't I don't know, this just seems a bit flimsy He was a carryover from an older era, I guess But to me, he just seemed like one of the bad guys That carried out the business of the Empire He was like a knob He does that throughout Even though he becomes like the most important character So I think the point he's making is that Darth Vader was important But he was a piece of a broader story and that making prequels theories about Well, I think the idea is- I think he's saying that it's like retroactive significance almost Is he objecting to the whole Force Jesus thing? Maybe I think that's the angle I don't know that it doesn't- I think it lines up The Emperor basically put him in a position where he's like You're my enforcer because you're very powerful Yeah, you're very good at this thing I could send you to do stuff and you get shit done You have magic powers and a lightsaber Like to be like, yeah, he's in positions where he could die It's like, yes, he is He is A lot of them are He definitely is It is an army From what I can tell, Vader likes to get involved Hmm I don't know that that's incongruent with uh He likes to get outside, you know He gets stuck in He fucking stabs people That's the SS officer that would go in with the troops Smash things up and let you know that the Empire meant business He was not space Jesus Jesus, I'm so sorry Oh, I mean, that's just- Yeah, I mean, you can take issue with that aspect I don't know that the rest of that Compares Um Well, you can call him space Jesus Emperor Palpatine created him to be powerful That's what we- I don't even know that's not even the movies, right? That's just something you have to find out I don't think that's gonna work I don't know We just get told in the Phantom Manus that he was created without a father You know, like Uh Random, inactive force conception Which is a way I understand the Jesus comparison, but Um, I don't know that this fucks anything about him in the OT in terms of He was created to be a weapon. I don't- I don't know He had to be in this review Please forgive me, Lord I know you hated the movie you told me Vader's totally overblown important Started with the implied religiousness of a virginal birth To the suddenly invented notion of some kind of space prophecy that made absolutely no sense at all It's even kind of implied that Palpatine made Anakin by using his sith power He could use the force to influence the midi-chlorians to create life Delivery There's some kind of asshole in a robot suit So while my issues with- I don't- go ahead He's not just an asshole in a suit I just feel like that's not- You know, he's underplaying his role in the OT Yeah, like He was the main antagonist of Empire The- yeah, the hierarchy was just the Emperor talking Vader But talking of Vader seemed to control, you know, like an admiral and a general They're like different aspects Yeah, yeah, different exactly And then talking's out and so he's just second in command And remember like Darth Vader saved the day Yeah, Darth Vader temporarily inconvenienced the Emperor Yeah, oh yeah, right That's right, he did I keep forgetting, he wasn't dead I keep forgetting because it was so- He fell down a giant tomb and blew off If you look at the alternative scene when he tosses him down the hole The Emperor's like, oh no, you totally got me Yep, I'm dead Oh no Oh no He's not forced to push some wind up there Yeah, I'm dead I'm definitely dead Don't come check It's because of- Oh, oh yeah, what was I gonna say? Um, the uh- Yeah When it comes to the prequels in making this whole Space Jesus prophecy thing Like, I- I hate the concept of destiny Fuck it, never use it I don't like it either Yeah So, but the uh- But I don't think they ever confirm That it is an actual aspect of the universe That he's going to do these things And there's no other way around it So, I don't know, um It's a vague prophecy and it makes characters decide stuff based on it But- Yeah, I would have done- I would have done without the prophecy And just had him be a character Who based on what he does and who he is Is seen by some characters of someone that they can influence I mean- I guess the interesting part though is that It is the prophecy is like Oh, yeah, you're the chosen one But it- It ends This series ends with him screwing everything up So it's like- And then only to then later on come back and save the day Like, you know, several decades later So it's like it's not as straightforward as- As usually the case Where like the prophecy is, you know Yeah, you're the good guy You save the day and then he does save the day He kind of doesn't save the day He's- He kind of screws everything up Which I guess is a decent way to flip it But then again, I probably would have discarded it so I don't know, fate and stuff like that is just- Fuck it, don't do it It feels like it often leads us to places we don't want to go In terms of storytelling Yeah, don't- Don't rob your characters of their agency And their personal, you know, ability to Do things and make decisions and influence events Just don't- Don't do it Don't do it I wonder how much of it comes down So I do wonder this That how much a lot of people hate it Is because of the fact that it's so common As a- Instead of actually why Like they see it more as a trope and not why it's bad It's just not so mild They think it's overplayed instead of this is why it sucks It absolutely is overplayed It happens a lot I guess I just want to appeal to something deeper than that Yeah, and then again, it is a preference, right? I just don't like it Yeah, I guess there's nothing objectively bad About a universe where actual predeterministic fates exist Well, what does that mean actually with the force? Like what does that mean when the force recognizes a chosen one? Well, here we are in 2000 and whatever Whenever this is coming out, who knows I don't know anything But we know now that the force is not It's actually it's kind of a misnomer now Because the force is not a force anymore The force is an agent that has a will And is trying to enact some kind of a plan And has like it has plans for the universe and for people And it's just like this supernatural dick Um What the force has really been ruined by the sequels It's really been fucked up The sequels of death Fuck when you think about like what the sequels tell us about everything so yeah The force is a basically it's a guy who wants stuff to happen Which I don't think was ever the original intention No It was just this It was just this It was a force It was like properly named it was just a force not an agent You wanted to argue that the prequels have done damage to the force is like the sequels have just destroyed it completely Especially with the whole the force releasing stormtroopers thing like oh yeah I'm at least with metachlorians where it's sort of like well I mean do you have metachlorians and that's why you have the force or do you have the force So you have the metachlorians which comes first can they change can you get more of them? Can you get less it's a lot of blood transfusion? Yeah, how is it's very flimpy. You shouldn't have been brought up. Yep. So just left it alone They could keep they should keep that shit ambiguous as fuck It's like a force ghosts if we have to have force ghosts keep them super Super ill-defined or you can make it to the cast lightning on people Or and hit people with sticks. Yeah Uh, thanks for that Ryan did it Everything is so tightly focused on one thing The Darth Vader is some kind of be all end all puzzle piece to complete the universe for some reason Which at first was to bring balance to the I don't know that I go that far. I think there is an Interesting idea. There's too much world building Yeah, there's lots of other stuff going on and the Jedi seem to be in a pretty good place And they're like there's a prophecy that this guy is gonna make everything great and it's like Things not great now. Yeah, I always felt that way. It's just like you guys seem I guess you think they can get greater. All right, that's fine. I guess And then the idea being that his choice to Execute the emperor thus bring down the empire alongside Luke that was him bringing balance to the force of the prophecy is technically true all right It was him that made it all fucked though like, yeah, maybe that's the idea Just live underneath the empire for a while until the emperor just dies of old age or something They often do that in storytelling where there's a prophecy slash destiny thing and it's like you end up Causing it by trying to not be it or in an attempt to force it to happen You end up making something else happen that could be applied to it But even then those are typically one of those like in hindsight. I guess that's how it happened It wasn't necessarily going to happen this way. Yeah, but it happened because you did this or As a result of knowing a supposed prophecy because I have no issues with people in a world Accepting prophecies to be true and acting that way as long as they are actually like true Because there's a difference between a prophecy and just a reasonable prediction that you're making But like you have or prophecies serving some lesson or point. Um, I think it was Sort of mana. So one of the best birthday presents I ever got was a Game Boy Advance SP with the game sort of mana Oh, man, I remember getting mad on Christmas. Jesus Christ. That was a stellar gift. Thanks grandma And I really really love sort of mana that Game Boy Advance game And one of the spoilers, I guess one of the issues Or one of the aspects of that game was there's like this Prophecy or this tale about this sort of mana that could like conquer evil and it's just the best thing ever It's the best sort ever and it's super magical and amazing And it's just the tits and we got to go get it to save the world or whatever And then you finally at the end of the game You like get to it and it's just this old rusty piece of shit That's been sitting in the dirt in some old temple and it's just worthless And the whole point is that it's not about the sword itself Like the what you did to get here shows that you were You know you're capable of doing all those things by yourself and it was about the journey not the destiny that sort of thing And so that was one of my first if not my first really big sort of introduction to that as a concept of Oh, hey that prophecy. Oh, maybe it's not really, you know It's actually something a little bit different than what you might have thought. I appreciate it for that. Uh-huh Force you refer to the prophecy of the one who will bring balance to the force But then it was later changed to destin to destroy the sith Is he not to destroy the sith and bring balance to the force? Which makes a little more sense, I guess because eventually anakin does to this day We still wonder what balance to the force means. Well, they try to change it in the sequels Because it was simple and i'm pretty sure george's is quoted as it being as simple as the sith are like a corruption of the force They didn't make him balance. Yes balance is good balance is the good guys. It's the light Yeah, I mean while the sequels they were like, well, no, it's equal amount of good and bad guys makes balance It's like Yeah, there's weaponized hatred that actively corrodes your existence. We need some of that We do we need some of that to balance No offense to the creation that idea of the sith, but they are absurdly evil like It's not much like it's just really evil Does destroy the sith by throwing poor palpatine down a mineshaft, but that was a prophecy Well, that was told what like a hundred years ago by who Where the prophecy is that anakin will bring balance to the force and destroy the sith He becomes darth vader darth vader does become the hero darth vader. Nope. Now be ray. You're talking about Ray's the one that actually brings balance It does destroy the sith. Ray killed all of the sith Yeah, but it and she was all of the jedi too. Yeah. Yeah That was very cool and the emperor Um, does that sound stupid to anyone else other than me? Is this real? Is this on? How about a prophecy that some guy was gonna blow up the first death star? I'm just gonna take a wild guess here and say that all those spin-offs and books and Magazines and cartoon shows and whatever they are sith lords beyond palpatine, right? I mean all you need are just some midichlorians and a lust for power to learn the ways of the dark Yeah, the palpatine is the big chungus evil Yeah, I think when they find out when they first interact with darth mull I think it's a surprise the mull the sith are around right in phantom anus. They're like, what? yeah So does the prophecy really make any sense But then anakin got his ass kicked by obi-wan causing him to be severely I mean to give a sliver of like benefit to the story. I think the prophecy is interpreted and that's it I think literally yoda says maybe it was misinterpreted I think so too. I think it is very kind of up in the air as to what the prophecy Means or even if the prophecy is being accurately reported as opposed to its original form or if it's all bullshit I'm sure the characters in the universe think it might be bullshit Very possibly. Yeah Handicapped inside a robot suit where I can't breathe without the aid of a respirator So really all that for what one scene where he kills some children and a bunch of helpless cartoon characters Very generally speaking You could have done these prequels in two ways to make them not totally suck All right no more than two make anakin a smaller part of a larger story Have anakin just I mean I kind of agree. Yeah, I agree with that. Sure especially knowing how the The the relationship focus is in this and how crappy it is and how I would have much I would just prefer General world building and political intrigue instead of just so much anakin It's not that I think it cannot work But if we were building this and someone was like right, so he's still made of the force, right? But no we're not doing that He's not some secret mega he's not he's just a guy who's good at stuff Yeah, I'd probably go with that and then yeah, I'd be happy to his story is happening alongside a grander story that we're trying to tell Respected noble Jedi knight Maybe even like a family man and then I have the dark side and the unsiducum and he does a bunch of bad things Yeah, like remember when master chief was just a guy who was really good at his job Yeah, and then he became the super duperest most important person Yeah, now he's a destined chosen forerunner Horset and is like I do I do really hate it like as a thing in general hate to see it Or to make a character story that no you can't handle it anakin's rise and fall Which is what they did the problem is is that lucas doesn't seem to know how to write a character like anakin in that way The whole character arc with that He does feel jorges feels weak on character like It's not very good at writing people. I'm sorry We're lucky. We're lucky. We got what we got. I mean, I think that's just We're kind of lucky that we got a new hope and uh the empires dress back With him getting more and more pissed off because he didn't have enough power to fix all the bad things in his life Specifically people dying. It's a good thing. Adam may fell in love with them or else He'd be saying I will someday have the power to make people love me Anakin can't deal with loss and seek something dark I mean, I don't know if that's played off as a joke, but that would be a thing that you could do I was about to say I had two reactions in my head half a laugh and then half a like well, wait that could work, right? I mean to be loved Is I mean I guess for some reason when a lot of us hear that we think it's jokey, but Like wow to be loved by everyone around you that is That is something that very few people Can ever have and it's something that people dream about and that is a pathway to being able to Do incredible things. That's a lot of power just Yeah, I don't that's not really thinking at all like if if you have an evil person and their goal is I will One day become so powerful that I can I will make people love me and adore me I mean that was that was a temptation of gladrile Oh, yeah, like it's not a joke. That's a that's a legitimate thing that is very potent True I got it. Do we need to set that up over three films? You're not all powerful. Well, I should be I want more And I know I shouldn't Now this personal weakness is fine But the huge missing ingredient is that we never got to know Anakin as a person I don't gotta go through this again. Do I I'm gonna go at a rare image of uh jack with hair You can see him in some of the old bests to the worsts. He's still got he's still hanging on But jack is like my go-to example to just get rid of it guys You will look way better if you just get rid of it even he doesn't grow the beard at all either So he's just like uh, it's like goodbye. Hey, yeah Clean shaven now. I think you could have the Uh a shorter one. I mean like you look at um look at josh josh looks like shit without the beard quite frankly But with the beard like hey, you're like a big old, you know, you you look, you know He looks like really friendly. He'd be in a tavern, you know and you'd be like He gives you your quests and stuff. Yeah, but some potions and some some beer, I don't know You go back to some of those old bests to the worst where jack's still hanging on to his hair and You have a clean shaven josh and it's like oh god, you you guys made some correct decisions at one point You need to go in your ox, you know The tragedy element actually comes from caring about a character or at the very least relating to him We as an audience don't care at all about anakin the biggest missed opportunity See because this is this is I feel like a significant Approach difference that we have compared to someone like playing kit where he's like We don't care about him because he can't relate to him. I'd be like people do Like there are people out there who do So does that mean that we should try and think it will tread a little bit more carefully with how we describe this like Should you be using eye statements or? I feel like we're not starting in the right place. We don't care about him because we don't relate to him No, no, no, no why don't we relate to him? That's the problem The write him so that we can relate to him. That's they're saying that's where the talent of writing is in How can I relate to this person that doesn't exist in this fictional world that doesn't exist? You know, how do I relate to this person? That's why writing is difficult and not a lot of people can do it at the same time I think I've probably made the mistake before but I think I typically like with rey for example Like people have trouble relating to rey because as opposed to people don't relate to rey because Because there are people who like rey is the best always character. I love her and her g Yeah, speaking in general terms though, the um, there really is There's a difference between that and saying something like um You know like something that is just an inconsistency like a strict plot hole There's no need to be like some people find this to be a plot. I was like no, it is a plot hole That's it. I don't care about it is yet's you man. But yeah Yeah, there there is that aspect. But yeah, the idea is a I don't even have you don't even have to relate to people necessarily to care about them But if you're gonna have a protagonist who has a tragic story over the course of three movies Or one and a half or whatever Yeah, I mean you're setting yourself up you decided to do it You didn't have to make this movie about this thing You made that decision to do it and when you make that decision to make this a really Character-focused thing that's a tragic story and you can't execute it well in terms of writing I do not say you should have should have been better I find it amusing to get a problem for Anakin Yeah um I'm amused by the fact that I get reminded everyone's the while I was like, yeah, this was three movies of story but At least they actually achieved a story like the sequels is three movies of story But what even was all that you know, it's like the fuck was all that I don't feel like there are any reset points in the prequels, you know Yeah, it feels like it is going from a to b to c like I get it, but that probably changes between but still there was At the end of the clone wars, let's take the middle of each trilogy at the end of the clone wars I was going man, what's going to happen next and at the end of the last day I was going what is going to happen next It's done. We're done. Let's go I couldn't it's I was I was interested in seeing what would happen after Attack of the clones with this war starting and all that and you get the conclusion of the trilogy and You know, it's kind of going to happen And how are they going to actually make that be a thing? And then with tlj it just feels like a this weird reset to the whole thing And you only have a movie left and what have you done with it? Well, yeah, there's that so set of lines from luke where he's like the rebellion is reborn today And it's like no, it was wiped out. We've got a couple people left on the millennium falcon. That's it He's like one spaceship And then he's like, uh, I am not the last jedi. It is like wait rey doesn't know anything about being a jedi I should use the force, but you know Jedi is like a culture Yeah, like she's just So, yeah, it's just such a weird ending to a film as well because they're all so happy And like this is shit like five planets got blowed up guys like do you do you know how shit that is? I know we just don't like to think about it, but Like man, it would have been better if the rebellion lost in the ot because he wouldn't have had five fucking planets explode Yeah, the empire would probably have chilled out as much as they'd be dicks, you know Yeah, like yes, the empire was bad, but I'm like, man, is it worth five planets? Oh, man, I'm I'm I'm big into having principles guys. Trust me, but five planets Oh, and it bet it's easy a decision to make when they're not your planets But not to mention when you find out they have a thousand star destroyers that can shoot death star lasers I think we would have to have an honest conversation like I think we might have to surrender. This is Yeah, just give up just get up get give up. This is for another generation to solve one day. This is they threaten If they if they drop one of those fuckers around every single planet in the galaxy, it's like they've won What are we doing now? Or can they can can they do? It's just give it up. Just live your lives as best you can Maybe one day there will be some internal struggle or you can get people in charge who are more sympathetic But just it ain't happening anytime soon. You just live your life. Just unless they don't know which way is up unless unless But that could never possibly happen mawler. That would be ridiculous. That movie was so stupid It's like the meme I posted in this channel with the the bulwini the poo Yeah I'll put it on the screen now That's the thing like the biggest most significant single Stupid thing in all of the nine star wars movies is like the fact that they don't know which way is up is honestly a contender I was wondering if you were gonna I was wondering if you were gonna say either that or somehow palpatine returned Oh, that's my favorite line. It's a pretty funny line. Yeah It really is just it's like the ultimate gave up line. We don't give up Do you think he spent about five minutes and he was like, I don't know Just say that he doesn't know the character doesn't fucking know because I don't know Nobody knows Maybe the idea Was that the writer said allegedly writer said the writers Said you know what fuck it. We're not going to make this make sense. So let's just eat that one Let's just chalk that up with an l but we'll try to make the rest of the movie really good And that's what they thought. I'm not saying that's what happened That's what they thought They just took the l on the palpatine coming back and focused on the the rest of the movie In their minds honestly though, I think the entire fleet not knowing which way is up is probably dumb You think so well Yeah, because up it's just that way I'm like people have tried to rationalize that but you can't Their problem is they don't know how to get up into space because their little transceiver thing isn't telling them where it is It's like it's above go up Potter you can believe Tell to make like a cat flying the air or something and you're like, okay That's good But if he got shot in the head with a glock and somehow live your brain wouldn't accept that is true Because it's just a more base level of cause and effect that you just can't accept Somehow palpatine returned. It's like is that his way of being like a different writer can take care of this. I'm not doing it I guess there's some level of well, maybe there's magic bullshit Maybe there's some like a Sith spell Maybe something something the force but not knowing which way is up like you can't like that's too basal of a concept Yeah Like up The opposite of gravity like it's it's just It's it's one of those fundamental aspects to your life In the whole trilogy is that we never got to see any of Anakin's training It's always just assumed that he was trained at some point. We don't see sure Obi-Wan says a couple things here and there. Yeah, I think that's a huge missed opportunity for both the sith and the jedi Seeing them trained A fucking cool little thing to see dooku being trained by palpatine the amount of dialogue I could have in these scenes You can do more of the best philosophies as well. Yeah in terms of Yeah, you could yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah the the dark side and the light side training um You could see the I mean especially if he started him off young right anakin was you know If in the first film you want him young at least have him in a jedi temple being trained by somebody You could have obi-wan could be reminiscing about kwaigon. You could have kwaigon in the film and flashbacks Um, you know if kwaigon taught obi-wan this and so obi-wan is passing that knowledge to anakin Based on the way that anakin receives his training the questions he asks and the explanations that obi-wan gives him Uh, there's so much that we could learn about these characters as one is teaching the other and maybe obi-wan's learning a little some along the way as well um, maybe There's a lot that you could do with that but We had to have those gun guns But it's nothing extensive where we as an audience can actually learn more about the jedi ways and understand what the fuck they are When we see luke training with yoda, he's asking questions. Is the dark side stronger? Yeah He's learning things making decisions And even the way that how he instantly answers like there's the is the dark side stronger. No, no He's instantly like a it's he quickly cuts him off almost as if you don't be thinking that don't think that It's not don't think that it is. It's not even up for this cut. It is not stronger Decisions yoda is teaching him and we are learning we learn about luke how he thinks how he responds to things We'll never get it out now. Some of the more famous star wars moments come from this period of jedi training do Or do not There is no try We are never shown the most important character development moments in a film that's almost exclusively about a character All we do is learn about why he's angry. Yeah, I know why. Yes. Again, it's just indicative of george's writing He's like all the audience needs to know is that he loves padme and he's sad that she's about to die and he needs to save her Yeah, it's one of those george knows that and george knows that george knows that But george can't understand that we don't know george doesn't understand that we can't see what's inside of george's mind It's a it's a problem that probably have to tell a lot of writers Is a lot of writers assume that every mind other than theirs just sort of knows what's going on in their mind Like I know everything about my character in my world And so therefore you might forget to relay all those things to other people who have no clue what you might be You know what you might have in your noggin I mean, I don't know how much more detail there was for anakin's character in his head I figure he gave us everything he thought was enough, which is I love padme. I I want power to save his lives I think there was probably more to it in his head But just just the sheer amount of Time that is spent that he's probably thinking about stuff. I think there was probably a lot more to it I just think he just did a bad job at conveying a lot of that stuff And I'm not familiar with a lot of the deleted scenes and even just the storyboard ideas that never made it into the film Those could be chalked full of the stuff and I just don't know maybe but I I bet he's got some I bet he's got stuff there and he just did a bad job at relaying that info in the film I just think he did a bad directing job really plan right and right Yeah, the whole schmageggle However, as poorly set up as anakin's sudden turn to the dark side was there is one redeeming quality here There was some kind of temptation involved as much as I love the ending confrontation in jedi The emperor's approach always bothered me It was because there was never really anything to tempt luke other than just a vague threat And the notion that the more hate you have the more powerful you can become Luke never really sought power and there's nothing really for him there I don't know about that. He wanted the power to be able to save his friends. That's the thing Yeah, and the emperor's looking for an upgrade. You want to save your friends up there? Well, if you here's a way to get all the power that you need to save your friends because that's how it starts that's dare I say it's reincorporated in a Conceptual way with anakin. You want to be more powerful to do the things you think are good. All right Yeah, he's like kill vader take your place at my side. I'll teach you a bunch of shit and you'll be more powerful than ever I think it's enough All he really just had to say was no thanks This one little moment is more interesting than anything that happened in all three prequel films How vader became vader is but I would argue that it's informed by vader seeing his son stand up against the emperor In the face of getting given power, which is a bit of something vader didn't do Inspirational, you know while also being like hey, don't kill my son. He's kind of cool. I like him It's not as interesting as his redemption and how he became vader really didn't matter It just needed to be mentioned in one sentence vader was seduced by the dark side of the force I get I mean if you want to go down the route of I think this works Yeah, you don't need the prequels. Sure. This alone would have suffice. Absolutely I I don't know that I think we could argue it actually helps out a little bit in that specific regard that Vader was seduced in a sense of wanting more power to be able to stabilize the center And then he sees his son offered that same thing and he refuses even in the sense of he'll die before he takes it Vader seeing that just being like fucking hell I should have done this. Are you are you saying in the um in the sense of obi ones quote here A new and a new hope and how that Can be remembered for the end of this quote t plus Well, so I'm saying the prequels can help in the sense that we know He was he wanted axe emperor offered power that leads to axe and he accepted And you could argue that luke has a similar situation, but he's still denied While vader gave in and did it and then he sees his son doing that unless All he needs to be like, all right. I'm I'm done being evil Like I think that all that works I think it lines up Oh, yeah, uh into execution. Yeah, sure Really button in his hand Yeah, in that aspect sure. Yeah. Oh That happened number 10 execute order What? So what's the deal with order 66? I've literally hurt my brain thinking about this one. I don't know if it's a reference to something Please email me the answer to I don't give a crap It's because 666 is too evil, but 66 was Rags stop he's gonna say all of that himself. Oh, is he you probably heard it from him I might have but I assume that was I assume that was common knowledge I don't know but I Well, I I I have seen this but it has like actually been years probably So maybe this is where I heard it. Well, so I think that it checks out a lot of people saw this and probably absorbed a lot I think a lot of the things we talked about when we were just talking about the movie A lot of conversations were inside of my head from knowing points that he's raised before Maybe Rap at who cares you stupid dipshit asshole dot nut What the best I could figure out is that Lucas is writing the script and he gets to this part and he thinks to himself Hmm, what should the bad man say now? Should it be a code word like begin operation hot zone kill You know that sounds stupid. What about a number? What's like an evil sounding number? Hmm. Well 666 No, that's too obvious Yeah, just execute order six Execute order six No, that's too simple. It makes it sound like they don't get that many orders to begin with What about order 66? Execute order 66 Okay, that works. Let's move on That's probably it. Yeah, that's probably it Number 11 the language of cinema Now if you'll permit me I'd like to compare revenge of the Sith with what is widely considered to be one of the greatest Motion pictures I've ever made Citizen Kane. Hey, is that fair? Hey, we've seen that. Nope I don't I don't I don't usually make that up like it's like how can you compare these? That's not fair I'd be like it depends what you compare it. I guess. Yeah, I guess we just find out, you know You see there are many levels of irony here too many to think about but in short You got two directors that both have total control over their film Wells used special effects to extensively tell a story And Lucas used a story to extensively tell special effects. I don't agree with that I I think that there was a lot of really nifty ways that he used special It like I think the Senate scene is really cool Like this big-ass chamber with all of these planets and you get a sense of scale of how many people are involved in The potential bureaucracy that might make some planets upset And you didn't have to do that. It could have been a lot more simple It could have been a lot more grounded and small not like 10 minutes ago He was talking about the amount of effort that went into the special effects Like you don't I don't know that we should be writing them off so much I know that someone's gonna be like well, he's saying the special effects existed to be special effects and show them off As opposed to facilitate the story, but I don't agree with that. I think a lot of those decisions were made for the story Yeah, I mean plus I like you have stuff like Like the clone wars for instance, you know How you have these massive space battles and I'm like man if you got the special effects To do these like there's some cool sequences. They look look neat I appreciate a lot of the work that went into them, you know It maybe it would be strange if with with the budget with the budget that you have And you know the scale of the story you're trying to tell if we didn't get those special effects utilized to help build this world up Citizen Kane is really about William Randolph first But in his own way Lucas kind of became his own Charles Foster Kane Going from an idealistic young filmmaker wanting to rebel against the system to becoming the system And a bit of a word Now whether Lucas realized the personal irony or not I think he tried to make Anakin Skywalker into his own Charles Foster Kane And maybe what he thought would be his own film masterpiece Everyone just always says Lucas is just a horrible commercial sellout that just made these movies to sell Nah, I think he could have done a hell of a lot worse if that was true I think we've seen what it looks like. We know what it now looks like when they really just find out If somebody like killed your whole family and you kill them back and someone goes you're just a murderer It's like, I mean I don't know They killed one person and they had good reason like yeah, George If someone's like He did it for the marketing the the the toys the bubble. I was like no, I'm pretty sure he was invested in telling the story And also in the toys The thing you can have both. Yeah, maybe you can have both and also remember there was a studio involved Like he still had to make money for the Okay You'll be pumping out Star Wars movies probably right if he was only doing it for the money You'll be doing what Disney tried to do and then slipped and fell into mud Yeah, well, yeah, exactly. We've seen what it actually looks like And what it looks like is yeah, what disney's doing where there will always be new IP. There is new. It's an IP It has gotta there's gotta be more We need to make more because we gotta have this many shows this quarter We we gotta that's we gotta do it Meanwhile, he was like I want to show you the story of how vader became who he was from the jedi knight or whatever You're like, okay Like if you ask kathlyn kennedy like what story are we trying to tell in the sequel she'd be like, um Um The story of ray Like, okay. Yeah, it's just I'm vagable like just nothing And make shit loads of money, but I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt and explore this So let's call this citizen vader Shall we so he got a boy who was taken from his home and his mother at a young age You're going and away from a bad environment slavery or an abusive father Eventually he becomes an idealistic young man with a set of principles You got the jedi code and canes own declaration of principles Then slowly each character is consumed and ultimately destroyed by their own arrogance and lust for power and control And a fear of losing the ones that they love a fall from grace if you will We even have a necklace sled theme going on at the end here It's a classic tale really, but it just doesn't work with anachem because the character doesn't feel like a One of the things I don't think it's unfair to compare. It's interesting to think about There's obviously way more details to go over. Yeah Yeah, it's broad strokes or similar. Yeah, absolutely A real person because it's written so horribly The fact is that this script feels rushed and not thought out Probably because it was rushed and not thought out. Yeah, they're already building sets. God help me I'm gonna have to start this script pretty soon. Also. Lucas is Well, I hope you're joking. I hope I hope Holy shit. The fact is Great movies have likely been created that way in the past But god damn the man is it it's it's like, yeah, I'm gonna do the hundred meter race with one leg. You're like, okay Now you can do that. You can do that. Why? It's notorious for not being an actor's director. I will not betray the republic You know my loyalties So that you're turning on but it's I have rewritten. I spent the whole weekend rewriting the scene between you and Palpatine Um, where you turn. Yeah, and I've added some more to that They give you a He's coming back. He's I'm pretty sure that he I'm pretty sure that he's not like resentful about being part of I don't think that was a great example. That was fine. That conversation was fine. Yeah, I'm like, yeah I want to see how the whole conversation went. I just that's not enough for me to go off of and maybe he's just Not good like if he was bad at explaining what he wanted, but he was really good at picking out the good things that the actors do We might never know There seems like a very normal conversation. He's like I've rewritten the scene of the weekend And I mean, hey, look we got movies now I mean we like apparently people showing up to like dr. Strange. It's like, yeah, I don't know what i'm doing today Like because they're figuring it out. This is day. That's like mad. Holy fuck But apparently that's just like no one thing that happens now What the red light media advocate for the most it's to let the writer director have his vision And this is just this is what that is This is what she's looking upon this and despair. This is what it means sometimes What you want to have happen Uh, and then you do another take and then you talk again and you just keep going through it until you get it The way you want it He seems to just view actors as a tool like a computer. They kind of are Too much. I mean, you know, they're not They are they are the pieces of resources that are used to bring your ideas to life Just like oh, yeah, ultimately everybody there is working to execute on a vision of some kind They can like breathe their own life into a character, but yeah Just an instrument in the trail of something in a script I'm sure that joss weeden looked at his actors as the tools that bring his shit to life And you've got all those stories of him being dicks to him And it's like yeah, but that didn't mean that what ended up being created wasn't pretty fucking good I don't know like in a lot of his stuff It's almost like he's implying that because especially with that speech bubble or thought bubble But the actors didn't even like george lucas. It's like, I don't know even I have no idea I'm pretty sure I have no clue Maybe he's a really cool guy on set. I don't know He could be completely normal. He could be a bad director, but he's maybe he's a swell guy And he's really kind and he's just the great good to be around and Tell me he's he maybe he's totally earnest. He's just not that good But he's a nice guy. That's what I hear about ryan johnson and zach snider They're both very friendly and nice and wonderful to work with they just Yeah, they just make shit like this Or prop now sometimes an actor can bring a whole new level to a scene that you didn't imagine in the first place But in the prequels there's a very clear line of distinction between the actor scenes and the special effects scenes The action scenes can be animated in any way possible There's a lot of good action in this movie, I guess when you animate all sorts of shit The camera can move around unrestricted and things generally move faster in a more visual way These action scenes would be really neat if we knew or cared about what was happening. I mean It's a really weird visual when we know exactly what's happening here Yeah, I mean whether you care Obi-Wan is trying to execute General Grievous to end the war like we we know that that's the the case here. Okay And Obi-Wan's riding around on a dinosaur trying to hit a lizard who's inside a robot suit with the stick with electricity On the end while the lizard. I feel like you could do this with a lot of stuff. Yeah Yeah It's gonna it's just muddying his points. Wow that calamari The guy is flying in his ship to try and take down the Death Star, but the ship the shields are still up because on the ground they haven't deactivated that. Yeah Oh, no, man. I was gonna say to me More apt on that point you'd be like the fish is trying to Wait out for the little monkey people to destroy a building that will then make the giant ball that shoots lasers stop working It feels to me like the thing of like oh all you do in this game is jump It's like yeah, all you do a sense of the screen on the thing you want dead It's like yeah, we can we can do this with everything And the robot suit is riding around on a giant robotic hamster wheel But when it comes to the dialogue scenes between characters, it's a whole other story The scenes typically have the blocking of a soap opera something that's shot for efficiency reasons rather than artistic They're so dull and unimaginative. It's almost a contradiction given the amazing environments. They're set in I mean, I wouldn't I wouldn't even use this as an example But yeah, a lot of the dialogue sucks and it's boringly shot and it it's just stinks to listen to in the acting Wouldn't and I guess it's what he wanted, but I I sure wouldn't like this here This background looks empty and sterile and artificial to me. It does because it doesn't feel like there's a purpose to this place Yeah, it's just all it's ridiculous. Like what is this supposed to is it just scale? What is this place? It's all empty. Are those rugs? Yeah, what is this supposed to be? Is this What is this play? It just looks so fake and yeah, like what is the point of this place is kind of the the question I don't believe I don't believe this is a real place. You know yeah, um I'd be careful with him picking on shot reverse shot as well because it's like throughout loads of great movies It's common for a reason. I think it's a pretty efficient way of letting people know what's happening Him bringing it up influenced a lot of people going forward that whenever they saw it in In anything they'd be like eww shot reverse shot. It's like guys shot reverse shot is not like an awful thing in and of itself Uh, just just if you want to argue he's just over reliant on it. It's like, okay Uh, but saying like there's no artistic merit to it. He's just doing it for efficiency. It's like, oh Do you know that? Yeah, I don't I don't know that. Um, I just I just don't know Film is a visual medium and Lucas is praised for being a pioneer of film visuals because he revolutionized special effects The irony is now when he's given two humans and some dialogue. It's a boring disaster on film It's fairly apparent He just wants to get these scenes out of the way to get us back to the action But in a film that's primarily a character study, apparently is that really the way to go? Most of the dialogue scenes are done one of two ways Either characters walking somewhere or people sitting down usually on a couch The story is so bland and uninteresting where people are saying usually doesn't connect to the environment they're in anyways I I would agree in the sense that I really wish we got more variety And what these characters are doing while they talk because a lot of the times when you Yeah, a lot of times when you talk, you're also doing something else. You're you're you're interacting with your environment You're you're reading something. Yeah, you're cooking a meal. You are fixing something You are adjusting something you are doing a task or daily chore You're if you're a politician, you might be looking at a news feed reading legislation Yeah, you might be taking medicine or check like if Padme's pregnant. Maybe she's doing some sort of do-it-home test or something Uh, they're something right, but oh so many of these conversations. It's it really is just people just sort of walking Some place But they're not doing anything or they're just sitting down or they're not like making use of this world that they're in um It lacks a lot of variety and I think that's why so many of the conversations feel really dry It's because they just they're just around to deliver lines. It feels like And the camera couldn't give a fuck Yeah, I know what kind of conversations going on. It's just old Well, because it's always eye level. Yeah, it's never it's never Down or up or emphasizing Well, yeah, like To explain his logic with all of this like what did you think you were achieving and if he was just like Why I just want the film to be consistent in how it frames everybody in each of these scenes. That's when I was like, oh I can imagine the first time you see when we see grievous encountering um Uh on the bridge grievous encounters anakin and obi one and he's originally in his chair And then he turns around anakin says I imagined you'd be taller and then he stands up and the camera rises at his shoulder level Like to to loom above the other two something like that. Yeah, just play around with the visuals Shoot when when you see count dooku shoot him from a little bit below You know a blow eye level so he so like you're looking up to him. He's more domineering and he seems more Pretty basic shape, you know Yeah, just stuff like that to mix it up and you don't have to go you don't have to go crazy evil dead levels But you can't I mean fuck it go for it as far as I do it But there's like something that's a little bit more Just interesting, you know The camera is a tool that you can use to have to add to the story so I think it's point here Is like yeah, he's really not using I totally agree. Yeah yeah You definitely be doing way more I just I just want to be sure we don't step on shot reverse shot as some kind of like you you've done it wrong if you use that Yeah, but yeah, but if it's all you do Like you can mix it up, you know, you could be a little creative or interesting, you know They could be anywhere really I was so worried about you when we have a scene that I like I've said before that these these seem like they're Kind of like they seem like plays like theater plays almost in a way But I don't mean that in a good sense whereas sometimes I might mean that in a good sense An example that comes to mind is Yeah, no go go for it I'd say a good example of that is Excalibur, which we will watch one day But I really love that movie and it has this theatrical sort of nature to it that I think it kind of adds to the Movie, but in this one, I feel like it takes away from it But it is just yeah do more take advantage of things, you know Yep Because this this is this would be an example of him. Yeah, what's that? Just, you know, the camera could be anywhere like you can do whatever you want. He doesn't have everything on a green screen Oh, yeah, yeah um Like when he brought up the idea that The story is meant to like show off the CGI instead of the other way around This would be an example of that that I would probably agree with a lot of these just talky talky scenes Where the actors are just doing basically nothing but talking And it's almost like our focus is supposed to be on these Expansive CGI bonanzas that are in the background like look at all this Look at this. Look all the clones back there in the ships and look they're out here on this balcony And there's this big spaceship over there about to take off And but but it's just they're just sort of there It's it's window dressing and it's not really doing anything for the scene or the characters or it's not being interesting And that starts with characters walking They'll usually slow down and then stop Then we'll go to what's called shot reverse shot basic over the shoulder camera angles of two people talking to each other This is the most basic and simplistic way to shoot dialogue scenes Not a spice it up at almost the exact same moment in a scene when the shot reverse shot starts to get boring A character will walk away and go over to a window and then look out the window when you say I want more But I know I shouldn't You can turn away Lucas broke new ground by giving Natalie Portman some business during the scene and having her packing a suitcase Oh, I was just this is yeah, like that. It seems out of yeah It seems out of place like she's doing something. They're having a conversation while she is actually sort of doing something Relevant to her job or her upcoming tasks So I think the prequels really just feel stifled around don't they? Yeah. Yeah, they do they do feel Yes, they feel very fucking stiff Out of my scenes though are usually that sitting down direction. Yes. This is all direction. Correct. There's no Like do they put anything down on these tables in the middle? And I think I don't even know those tables are real That's what that's kind of what i'm saying real by doing shit with it, you know Yeah, and I can't I often can't tell what is real as as we've seen before with the prequels because of just The way that it all comes together Yeah, but yeah, like how you could have you need to flavor add flavor every scene In a fantasy or a lord of the rings is great with this There's always something kind of happening in the back. You're there's a lot of stuff's going on But you could have someone come in serve drinks you could be doing this doing that They could set something down they could you could always kind of have stuff happening but my eyes are in the middle an empty space in the middle of two groups of people sort of and I don't know it's And he he had to have learned about this because he went to film school Do you think you just pick it up the awesome via osmosis? Well, I I think the thing is is that there are there are aspects of of like filmmaking and any creative medium that you don't Just immediately notice. I mean god damn we even go to the basics of writing like the fact that Is often redundant, but we use it a lot because we don't think about it But like the little touches in terms of Shopping away redundant words or um or trying to tighten up things a lot of that is what makes for good writing There's a lot of phrases and turns of yeah There's a lot of turns of phrase that we use Turn yeah turns of phrase not turn it turns of friends. It is turns of phrase Um, there are a lot of turns of phrase that we use that we couldn't define on their own They're just sort of it feels right to put that into a sentence. So we do it. Yeah I guess that's what I'm getting at is I I can I can easily see that these things kind of you just you need to think about them consciously, but uh Yeah, I don't know not to derail a lot of them, but I find it interesting that you treat sentences though There's a silent T Who sentence? Yeah, I guess it's And there you go. Yeah. Yeah, I guess it's just how I say it Sentence yeah, because I just I guess when I say it it just sort of Kind of all fuses together sentence sentence sentence. Yeah sentence. I'll say Now I'm getting sentence sentence What but what's interesting is I'll say penance But repentance Well, I mean because that's the right way to Yeah The most sentence out of repentance. It's like yeah, they're both very similar But I yeah, it's I guess it's just an aspect of how we speak It's like that really big letter in the alphabet element of P It's it's it just sort of sort. It just kind of goes together when you're saying the words And it's sort of it comes to think I mean that's how words That's how words of many words that we do use regularly The only reason that they exist in that form is because they used to be something else and they just sort of Changed over time. Yeah, I guess when you say it I always would type it correctly, but I guess when I say it because of the sheer speed of thought Whoa, it just kind of rolls out. Um, actually if you'll give me just a moment I'm going to get a drink real quick and I will be back in a moment Boy, I go you guys can talk about words for a bit Woods they're pretty cool. Well, I uh, it was the the book Elements of style which I need to finish but that book is just really useful and just hey, this is how you're supposed to write it Okay, please just write it like this But but even more like practical stuff of hey, this is when you're meant to use a semi colon. This is when you're meant to use just a regular um Colon it's stuff you don't think about but matters Theo I'm surprised you haven't spoken more on this subject Uh, well I'm thinking of what to say really because my brain's full of other sentence structures at the moment because I've been Learning to read latin. Wow Yeah You know latin has a system that we don't have in english anymore Right words can't like which means word order doesn't mean shit in latin Which is something interesting by comparison english where uh word order is like the most important thing about it in latin every word like it's It's role in the sentence is dictated by its case and it has very little to do with where it's placed Which is really cool. That's really cool. But also I didn't know that I uh, I always thought that the placement did matter Uh, there's general conventions in latin that sentence structure in the verbs tend to go at the end And the subject tends to go at the start Uh, beyond that It's open season especially once you get to things like poetry because of course they're gonna fuck with more rigid rules that you'd use in more formal writing That's right. You can start to really goof off I think most of the romance languages still have case systems. I don't know much I have no idea. Yeah, this is my first experience. Uh, learning any other language. So Wow, they didn't teach you well They did not teach me wow I didn't get taught well shiver. No, that makes sense because you're australian discrimination What do you what do you mean because we're australian new south wales? That's one of the states It's named after your country And it's more important. It's nice that you try to be, you know, you try to copy but You'll never be the true. Well I mean, we don't need to be the true wales There's the one true wales and then there's new south wales, which is more geopolitically significant than the original wales Yeah, but america is more geopolitically significant than australia Yeah, sure. That doesn't make australia worthless I never said that right now. See there's your problem. Why you you assume that I was saying that wales is worthless I said no such thing. No, I didn't say you said that You implied it You implied that that's what I said and I was just making a statement You implied that that's what I said don't don't run away from it Seems like you're uh putting words in my mouth. They're bringing that's very rude like you were putting words in my mouth by implying You said what I implied I didn't say you implied anything I'm saying that you implied nice implication is the implication that I meant something that I didn't mean Yeah, that's rude. You shouldn't do that. Assuming makes an outside of you and me I'm glad I'm glad that you agree that that was a rude thing of you to do. You did it on me All I said Rags, do you agree with this statement that america is more important geopolitically than australia? However, australia is not worthless I agree with that. Yeah, there you go. Yes, but in the context of me saying that New south wales is more geopolitically significant than wales. That was your follow-up. Why did you say that? What's the thought I was having? You know that you can't just to be doing that. That's just the thought I was coming in. No, you'd make a shitty lawyer Wow People would be like in the chat of the youtube stream like this fucking prosecutor's just desperately trying to prove what someone was thinking Which is Man resorting to these personal attacks. That's cruel. Oh now you got desperate It's very cruel. I can't believe it. You're still you're still doing it. Yeah, I mean I told you how it makes me feel I do. I hope it makes you feel bad because you did something very rude That's really that's so cruel. It's the only way you're learning for me. We're getting you there step by step I thought I thought the world the world's people were always very polite and nice Wow I think they are I don't think it's polite to ignore people's failings without trying to highlight them for them so they can learn Man Oh, you know we learned something about we learned something about the long man today. Jesus christ If you've invented it, it's really not a fact of me It's just rude. I I've been over several times. I feel like the point's proven case closed Like good luck to the future. Just you know Be careful conversation. You can never know and you'll slip up What's up? Yeah, what are you doing? I'm just my main point is australia isn't worthless And I got loads of pushback by the australian. It's like if you know I literally said that I agree. What an interesting reframe children children. You're all worthful Worthful you're all worthful The location will vary the positions vary, but usually it's just them sitting there talking In fact one scene even begins with them already sitting down on the couch They didn't even need to walk over to it. Hey, doesn't this lady have a job? Is there a job to sit on couches all day and you do get that impression with padme? Sort of just catching her in a free time. Gosh Yeah, I guess this is all why she's busy being a senator This is all free time For padme. Also, it's a lot of it's free time for anakin too Yeah, and they're just spending all this time together Yes, you felt one more driven in the first two films Yeah, absolutely in the first one. She was really trying to make stuff happen. It seemed um and like I think I can't really that's one of I think that's one of my issues with palpatine Is I just don't know where he finds all this time to be simultaneously Darth Sidious And does he have like a green screen room where he dresses up in the road? And then he just puts it away in the closet and then he goes back to his desk You need to see where someone knocks on the door. He goes, ah, hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. And then he trips over on his as he's taking his room. Oh, f**k, he falls over Smashes into a table. Are you okay? Yes, I'm fine. I'm fine. Count Duke is on the other end like what is happening? What's going on? He's like, oh, did I shut this off? What is happening, my lord? Oh, just f**king, you know, just pure off. It's, you know, I'm having just a bad robe day I like, uh, there's a knock on the door. It's like, Chancellor, your 2 p.m. schedule appointment is here. The delegates from, uh, ordo ciclorum They're here and he's like, oh, tell him I'm taking a big s**t And he's just It's not coming out. All right. It's just not coming out. I need to find this It's f**king sideways. I, I'll be there to say Oh, wait, no, I don't have the force. No, no, I definitely don't have the force I said, I wish I could just force it out. That's what I said. Yes. Yes All right. It's all, it's all though. That's the blue bread I've been eating. What wings or redemptions that is pooped in went sideways I just grabbed all had to fish it out. Oh my god You were having a fun joke here about Palpatine's robe And you had to bring up wings of redemptions poo. It seems to freeze to laugh. And so I think we're right It's just Why would you tell him that? Because he thought it was funny and it's like, oh, it's funny It is funny. It's very funny I'm just thinking about how I hadn't thought about the fact that The the way the dialogue is shot is a large part of why it seems like no one's ever doing anything or has anything to do Yeah Yeah Like what if I did it from that angle like Because nobody's ever really got anything to do. They're just wandering around like I guess maybe Mace is gonna he's gonna wander around with Anakin Then he's gonna go back to the temple and do some more taxes. I don't know like yeah, we might wander around in the temple Yeah, maybe I just don't buy that palpatine has all this time to be Sidious and also to be Palpatine and no one is just like like when at the end of attack of the clones when Dukku comes back from genosis and lands in just the shitty Detroit section of Coruscant with all the fire and everything and he lands and Sidious is just there waiting for him I'm like, how did you get here undetected and no one knows you're here and you have time to do this? Like I just don't I don't buy it Yeah, it's a good thing everyone in this universe is an idiot And talk Oftentimes during a couch scene one person will stand up walk a few paces away and then turn around And citizen came the visuals and blocking were so much more important than just telling the story about how a guy becomes a selfish a-hole It's such a rich film in its detail and execution. Yeah, there's almost a lot of great This is insane. It's a great movie except for the greatest room trashing scene in cinematic history Which even Tommy Wiseau couldn't top You fuck that room up Charlie But Kane is primarily about the characters and it's way more interesting to watch just because of the attention to detail The direction and the framing now comparing episode three to citizen Kane is not fair. I'll agree Episode three is an art. It's commercial diarrhea. But what irks me is just how basic it is more sorry art than sequels I'm I'm sorry everybody. It's art But but I mean just more art than others if we're talking about art in a more colloquial sense The this film is more trying to be something than like the sea the sequels exist to make money If you want to draw a line between it's just trying to make money versus they're trying to tell a story here It's like the sequels are way worse for that Yeah, absolutely. Oh, yeah Attic things were filmed. They just put people in front of a green screen and said they were gonna make the background interesting later Even when they're not on the green screen the scene construction is pretty awful and boring Like the scene in episode two when Anakin is told about what happened to his mother Instead of coming up with the creative visual way to get this information to us They're all just sitting at a table. This is why people are bored during these movies It's like it's a fucking play or something. I honestly think that you could get away with this the dialogue was good though Yeah, you could if the dialogue was really good and the characters were very interesting to listen to Sure, but if you don't have interesting characters to listen to And you don't really have anything happening visually that's interesting Like I could see if someone came to me Yeah, if someone came to me and said attack of the clones is like the most boring movie I've ever watched I'd be Yeah, I understand. Yeah, I totally get that. I totally understand why you think that Emperor even brings out beverages. Here. Would you like a refreshment? Well, this guy tells you about how your mother was kidnapped and raped. Wow, and then check out I mean, they are in the desert It's probably hot as fuck Yeah, I don't have a problem with them just put in trees. I'm sorry. This paul is I don't know if he's about to bring up this point But holy fuck like how close that lightsaber is closed. Yeah I mean, I mean, that's that's just the level of control that mace wind has over his light I would guess that's just death right there because it's that close to that heat you're done What? Yeah, then again, that makes windows hand is right next to that too. So that's how his that's how his face got melted He was just that close to the lightsaber Man my my joke my joke is what it evaporates from me Oh, did you say that close to his face nobody heard and then you said it was close to his face I thought we were all pointing out how close to it. Yeah, space. I thought that was the whole point of the screen And then it would melt his face Oh, yeah, I think I get it. Yeah, I did It must have been That's right. What that means is Fringy, that's confirmation and that's like confirmation that that was a really solid comment to make Well, yeah, because everybody thought it Yeah, because yeah, because if rags also said that independent of hearing it from you That's a quality comment right there. It means everybody. Yeah, that's right That's right That's pretty great. Fringy. Mm-hmm. Nice. I'm proud of me. What do you what do you think theo? It was pretty good All right, then we did this exciting shot When you isolate that yeah That's a funny damn thing It's I'm trying to think of how to fix that. It's like I mean, I guess you just don't hang on it for so long, right? Yeah, I mean handheld is probably the choice here Absolutely, it shakes a little bit as the cameramen's, you know coming along with them or you know what we don't have to see I'm going up the stairs. I mean walking across the lobby. We know how they get to the place He could arrive there. Maybe he's panting a little bit like he was hurrying his ass off The point I'm trying to make is that there is a very basic language to cinema that seems to have been totally ignored You can create an emotional connection and people will remember the movie and we'll stick with them Then you got some movies. You see it's the first one of these videos. He's talking about protagonist He pronounces it protogonist. It's just Protogonist And you don't even remember seeing it some very basic Yeah, like the transformers movies are kind of like the pirates of the caribbean movies They just all with the exception of the first pirates movie. They're all just sludge in my memory They all just mix together And I don't know where one ends and one begins and which one was which like the kraken one I don't know if that was the second or the third or the fourth. I just I don't remember Oh, yeah, right Third one. It's just dead Um, this is the thing. I remember the differences between the pirates movies because I watched them I want to say recently, but I think it was two years ago now Uh, but transformers. Yeah, I'm like that transforms when I when I picture the movies in my head It is honestly like it's like a big shot Daytime, but there's just machinery Flooping around everywhere and I don't know what any of it means I Unfortunately, I remember the transformers movies quite well. Um, so I remember exactly which one was which Do you remember which one was the one with which one was the one with the black robots? Uh, that was two. That was you couldn't read and had the weird buck teeth. That's right. That was two He got in trouble for that Yeah, that was which is the one where megatron turns into a bunch of pixels and can fly around Oh I remember what the fuck is happening Holy shit, the four is a fucking piece of shit movie Images can haunt you. It can make you laugh Most of the time it's a simple cinematic trick to do this placement of characters in the frame The setting the length of he's right like, you know, there's the amount of creativity Showing in these images like there'd be so much for us to talk about in terms of why they mean so much more Than what we usually get in the prequels. I don't disagree with this Absolutely The prequels are so flat They are incredibly flat and I mean now now part of the commentary is related to like marvel movies and how a lot of marvel movies don't I guess try As hard to get like really dynamic in terms of short composition and camera movements and stuff Don't really make sorry go No, go go for it. I was gonna say they don't really like make usage of the medium very well in that sense No, um Well, yeah shot like a power point Well, we need to we see what we need to see but we're not particularly interested in seeing it in a very unique way Oh, this is okay. Which is conveyed isn't really like saying anything more about what we're seeing. Yeah, exactly Maybe Maybe would you would it be wrong to say that the prequels are shot like a storyboard? Um, I mean a lot of great shots come from storyboards Yeah, yeah, but like you think of all the all the moments in between those images, right? And like what do you think that especially when it comes to the segments where there's like talking or traveling potentially He just didn't really fill in all those spaces was he didn't make anything interesting out of That storyboard in the in the big sections of this. Um, I mean I I I'm kind of trying to figure out what you Cause you might be thinking like key frames, right? The really like a comic book almost but it's like it's shot like a boring comic book But I guess that's why I because comic books can be hyper dynamic and cool again. Yeah And and a lot of them are because there's such an emphasis on uh on on the visual aspect It's shot like a power point Yeah, and yeah, and that there's no there's no vision to it. It's not much movement. I think that's the Conveyance of details Yeah, yeah, that's yes. That's that's definitely what it is Because I feel like if it was me and I knew I only had x amount of minutes for my story I'd be how can I make this shot interesting? How can I how can I make this shot interesting? How can I make this shot interesting? How can I tell something? How can I have a second story happening here like in the the details of the world or the You know, how can I cram stuff into it's like I it's like I'm playing minecraft And I've only got so much space to work with from my house and my farm How do I make it look cool and interesting and also serviceable with the space that I have? How do I make it work? It's like theo said it's when when you're doing really cool stuff with the shots you're You're achieving certain storytelling objectives without having characters, you know, just say say things and uh And and have the actions occur you're going beyond just the action and dialogue to which even affect And that is probably a good way to describe the pericles. They are very literal And yeah, there are no There is nothing that is obscuring your ability to understand exactly what is happening there is no attempt to increase the the tension in a moment with a shot or uh, or you know To play with people's expectations very limited subtext Yeah, yeah, exactly because subtexts can be achieved really well through cinematography. Yeah Et cetera, I don't need to reference citizen kane to make this point Let's quickly look at a basic example from the original star wars 12. Yeah A lot of them They take the simple scene of expository dialogue where an admiral basically just tells vader that the falcon is in an asteroid belt Our ships have sighted the millennium falcon lord, but it has entered an asteroid field But they used this opportunity to do something creative with the characters and the location We are reminded that vader is both human and machine by showing him inside his little breathing pond And this is also the very first time that we ever see vader in a position of vulnerability This adds a lot of depth to his character that we haven't seen before The framing suggests that there's a clear separation between a normal man and what vader has become I'll say one thing too That watching the ot throughout it though Like it's it's weird to say, but they're not really on starships But it's weird when you see them on movie sets Because your mind is like oh, they do such a good job trying to convince you with the set work that they're actually on a starship That seeing them on a movie set feels it's weird. Yeah, it's it's it feels wrong You know like I my mind more than most things just accepts. Oh, yeah, they're on the death star, of course They're on the yeah, they're on a star destroyer. Yeah, they're they're on the millennium falcon. Yeah, that's where they are They're not on a movie set When we talk about visual storytelling Probably like the the good way to do it is the opening shot from from a new hope It's like we got this tiny little ship and then this massive destroyer just flies in it tells us a lot immediately Without any dialogue being spoken. Yeah, the the good guys are in a position of weakness The bad guys are the dominant force and they are big and strong and yeah, yeah, yeah I think he talks about that shot in uh his phantom man is one that's what I expected it to come up here I think it's because he's done it already Yeah, maybe he has because it's it's just a really good example of visual storytelling You've told me a lot. You haven't said anything, but we don't do that as much in the prequels So whether or not you know your brain is being fed information about Darth Vader's character And you're made to feel a certain way All while we're doing the business of the plot if this were in a prequel It would have been done using two characters standing in a room against a green screen done in shock over a show I guess they could have put millions of asteroids flying around the window behind it later It makes the frame interesting and when you got a set and actors and Things to work with you can make an interesting Imagine how shitty the fight like on cloud city when luke is fighting vader and they're going through the hallways and it's dark and they're in just the The depths of this installation floating in the clouds And it's just you just feel like you're in another world because of how far away they've gone from everyone They're really you just lose yourself in the scene Yeah, I love the baseman fight. Um, yeah You just said though he implied like when you have things that actually like are part of the scene and stuff And again, I'm just like don't drift too close to saying The presence of CGI is something we don't want it's like. Yeah come on I mean if we want to if we want to make a star trek Uh, this is mike here. So let's let's talk about star trek for a moment I don't know if you guys have seen much star trek theo. Have you? Tng of star trek. All right, so in a lot of the first season of tng They're they're using just like studio sets to be foreign planets Like yeah planets are foreign but Like they're they're just on this set and there's just some like rocks And then the background is just a color because that's what the wall is And there's some clearly fake ass plants here and there and it it's obviously a set and it looks like shit You know, all of that is real all of that is practical looks terrible. Exactly, right And then in later seasons, they actually go out into the wilderness when when Darmock and episodes like that they go out into the desert or into the badlands or wherever and they film these scenes And you can tell it's really outside. That's all practical too, but it feels so good You know, and so both of those are practical one works really well. The other one works horribly There are bad time the characters talk framing blocking character placement lighting on the set Camera movement. It's all part of making a movie and making your audience feel a certain way about a scene When anakin pours his heart out to padame. They're sitting on a couch When obi-wan tells padame. He's got to go kill anakin They're sitting on a couch when they talk about the assassination plot. They're sitting on a couch Sitting on a couch sitting on a couch talking in a room Sitting at a booth in a diner talking in shot reverse shot sitting at a table walking somewhere walking in a room Walking and talking standing and talking standing and talking in a room talking in an elevator It's usually just two characters or sometimes three characters You could have had a really cool aspect. Oh, this is like this may be like the most fakest place ever Yeah Oh This one's fucking dude. It looks like a video game loading screen from like 2002 Like they're like press arts reload like at the bottom or something like that Um But you have like in the scene where in the elevator you could do that whole Like you get a a wide shot of the outside Watching the elevator go up the building but you could still hear the characters talking Stuff like that the movie could have been full of things like that But I don't know the points being made right now. So And they're always talking and sitting But it's really hard to film a complicated scene with lots of different creative camera angles When you're just sitting in a chair with your coffee when I shoot I have uh two cameras a camera and b camera a camera b camera Two people talking to each other in front of a green screen Yeah, I am just surprised that George didn't want to do more dynamic things with the camera, I guess Yeah, I I wonder Did he just get complacent and not know it? Did he Just not Creativity not really that there. Did he have a different crew to work with that just weren't pushing him Maybe was just really think this will work. Trust me. This is just gonna this is what we need to do Is it just physically was he just more lethargic and is you know older older age? I Maybe I don't know maybe I have no clue. It's not just the fact that every dialogue scene is dull It's that these films have predictable and uninteresting editing too The first cut of star wars was an unmitigated disaster I come in on weekends and I recut the film on my own And I tried to get the editor cut up my way and he didn't really want to And so I had to let the editor go it was a cut in a very traditional manner of just playing things out in masters and then going into the coverage and let the actors Rhythms dictate the cuts rather than having the cuts kind of drive the rhythm of the scenes Well, let's just we'll leave this for the time being we'll create this other shot And if this other shot works we'll come back to this shot So there were consequently there wasn't any excitement in the footage the way that it had been put together It's so boring Psychological computer program edited the movie the pacing sucks. There's no style to anything I could talk for two hours about the editing in these movies But one little thing has always stuck out to me Is that there is almost always a dropped my lightsaber reaction shot Sometimes it's necessary But most times not really I mean when someone stops using their lightsaber, we understand they dropped it But almost every time someone loses a lightsaber We need to cut to a reaction shot of it falling like we didn't see that it happened Interesting things to notice because it's true, I guess Yeah I'm sure I've picked up on it here and there, but I guess I didn't realize how It was yeah when it's all played to back to back, you know, yeah I think I commented on it when we were watching revenge of the sith when It was Grievous's little speeder bike wheel When it like crashes over the side, we see it Keep going over the side for a bit and then it just cuts back like we didn't know what would happen to it I don't know. I guess that's just a style thing of his but I don't know what purpose it serves, you know Sometimes it has a purpose like here like or when mall kicks the lightsaber into the Pit because it emphasizes just the depth of the pit and the peril of it But sometimes it's just like yeah, I just landed there on the ground It's important for some reason it only happens one time where we don't cut to a separate shot of it falling And it works just fine, but I think it was because the action was so fast that they couldn't cut to it Or they would have Speaking of pigs I mean lightsabers Now we're 12 the final lightsaber fights and all lightsaber fights At long last we'll get to the part we've been waiting for the end of the movie The epic duel between Obi-Wan and Anakin and for some reason it had to be epic I don't know why they exchange a bunch of awkward and pointless dialogue and finally we get to the fighting What it looks like at this point in the film there, man Still calling it pointless. It's awkward. Yes. It's badly written. It's not pointless. It's not pointless Am I in the budget is all of a sudden the visual effects no longer looks so great But we come to the end where Obi-Wan has the high ground I have the high ground which is just eight feet higher than Anakin. He warns Anakin not to That's a lot when you're 60 tall I was about to say like no, that's not the point the point is like Anakin could just go to the side like Yeah, it's a bizarre moment Like it's a great meme I think what they're going for is it's like a challenge to Anakin and Anakin's like I can beat you even And then he's like you can't he's like I can and then he yeah Jump out of space and try and cut him because Anakin's the bad guy But Obi-Wan forgot something that I haven't done before when someone else had the high ground Or maybe Obi-Wan learned from that experience and then Learned that instead of standing there. You should swing up at the guy when he's jumping over you That's what he learned. Yeah, yeah, don't stand there like a lemon fight He can jumps over him He gets his arms and legs cut off and they roast down the hill and lands in lava and gets burned up Obi-Wan goes home Palpatine shows up and brings Anakin back to his home and their robots put Anakin together in another robot suit So that he could breathe they just take him against his will and seal him in Give the guy some cream or something to put on his face I don't know. I now I guess his Darth Vader and since Darth Vader technically appeared in this film for 10 seconds We could put him on cereal boxes Oh, yeah, that's marketing. I don't know. Yeah, I mean Those most changes are shit by the way Hmm That really happened in this ending was that Anakin shows that he's really just a murderous crazy person that needs to be in a mental hospital He even tries to choke pregnant Padme. The whole reason he turned to the dark side And you know what thinking about it wasn't even a joke what I said to save Padme You have to kill Padme He probably would have done it All right, if I were Obi-Wan, I definitely would not look back on Anakin with any kind of reverence or longing for the good old days I think I agree. I agree. They need to show us a lot more of their relationship going well And he was a good friend I would be uncomfortable talking about him actually and filled with Finally we get to see Darth Vader and he's on a comical contraption The first thing the emperor asks is if he can hear him then Vader asks about Padme Where is Padme? And Darth Vader should never say the word Padme or snuffle up a guess Then the emperor lies and tells him that he killed her It seems in your anger You killed her and what follows could be the funniest scene in cinematic history It's like everything built up to this moment and it's hysterical The Vader gets angry he breaks everything and he busts his way off the thing and he stumbles around And then Yoda tells Obi-Wan that he should talk to Qui-Gon's ghost What the fuck? No one ever mentioned to anyone every every time about talking to ghosts I'm guessing this is in there to show that Obi-Wan was learning the Jedi trick about how to I genuinely think this is in here because George was like, oh, yeah force ghosts No, fuck it. They were they were invented at the end of this trilogy. I'm not dealing with that Qui-Gon invented it from the other side Yeah, whatever like you know that you said what I have to deal with force ghosts. It is pretty cool Oh, dude, the force ghosts are a problem Show up after you die a spout off expository dialogue or to join in at a celebration I guess violent murderer man also learned this trick too in the new version of Jedi It's the young Anakin ghost. It shows up, but it's the old Old Obi-Wan that it should be old Anakin Is the idea is like no, this is the last time Anakin was Anakin, you know But that's not even true because he was Anakin at the end, you know, he was right at the end exactly It just doesn't make sense What if his force ghost what he had the robes and everything and you could see his neck But he still had the Darth Vader mask on Well, I remember robot chicken had the joke that the Emperor Palpatine became a force ghost but he was naked Little crackly bunny After being old ghost and Anakin gets to be a young ghost You see I always interpreted this scene as just being something that Luke could only see Or perhaps it was even in his mind either way in the original version They looked the way that Luke remembered them now. Don't make no sense because Luke now Yeah, it added to the idea that force ghosts only existed in Yeah as manifestations of the person who they were talking to the visual component was the receivers A receivers hallucination the voices were real, but it was the way that their mind made sense of the voices something along those lines The receivers hallucinogen Yeah, the protagonists hallucinogen Never ever saw young Anakin, but you know what I'm starting to get used to this fucking crap not making any sense Oh boy, you have no idea You're oh sweet, so you we were just you he gave up. He did a video on tfa. He did one on tlj I think he didn't do one for rise of skywalkers. It's just too much. Yeah, they just like what the what do you even do? Yeah, exactly Number 13 lack of vision I think at this point most people finally agree that lucas gets too much credit for creating I always feel awkward about that because we just don't know Uh, I don't look at really scar like What do what do we mean? Like so people people be like, you know the greatest parts of the ot it ain't george It was other people because look at the prequels and it's like no it could have been george But also like it was a long time ago. I don't know you know That feels and also like it just moves awkward because You can't deny that he he's he had a significant role to play And uh in the stuff that you liked I think people just want to retroactively Prevent him being given credit for ot now that he's responsible for people That's right. I mean like nobody ever says like, you know, I think I think the good parts of alien really weren't ridley scar They were much more to do with his production team. Yeah, like it's like Look, it's okay. He could he made a good thing. He made a bad thing. That's fine No movies made by one person. Um, yeah, that's true. It's such a collaborative effort Well, I didn't yeah, I'm not prepared to start divvying up effort points. I just do not know Feels weird. We're gonna need a lot more definitive information before we do that. That's why yeah Well, yeah, you you need to give me the interview where it's like, yeah I didn't have fuck all to do with the story of uh, of of our empire. No, I had nothing I didn't touch the pen. I didn't I didn't you know, that's what I would need He could certainly be thanked for that initial spark And the personal torment that he went through to create the first film I got nothing against the guy personally. I mean, I met him a couple times. We made out once But i'm just saying how I feel about these new films Why is some nothing character like i g 88 way more cooler and memorable than say Dexter jetster Probably because one of those bouncy heads are the other ones that died out of like But also he is he's pretty memorable at this point. He just moved into have a dexter That's the awkward part about the prequels is like they have a legacy I g 88 know what a Kamino and Saber dart is. I don't know And like exactly I wouldn't use this metric because the prequels people do remember a lot of the shit from prequels Like Count Dooku and Grievous is being awesome and Darth Maul. Yeah, no one forgets the room Yeah, like it's like you might want to avoid this metric. Uh, this metric totally applies to sequels though like a lot Yeah, nobody talks about the sequels. I told them the sequels more than most normal people And I fucking forgot faz were existed temporarily. You did. Yeah I was about to say remember what happened again to remember The people who were involved in those films seemingly don't want to do it anymore Yeah I don't know that anybody Yeah, I'm glad to see him and you like doing and stuff Hey, well, this is a really good fucking actor. He's a good actor. Yeah, he's a great leader Man, I really want moon night to be good. Please. Please be good. Please be good Or glue Then anything that's not new is just borrowed from the original film and reused because of Man, there's a lot of new stuff. Yeah, I don't think I don't think it's critical of prequels for that They did loads of new things. This equals you could absolutely shit on them for a lack of originality But slave one is here and so wookie's like come on dude the list of new stuff is way longer Worse, they could have a way more Pillaging like fucking Fulls awake is just a copy of a new hope like a bad one But like plot is very similar exactly Relack of vision like the whole Jedi robe thing Uncle Owen Luke and all Ben Kenobi dressed in the robes with the hoods probably because it was a desert Like if Ben Kenobi was really in hiding Why would he dress like a Jedi knight? Uncle Owen wasn't a Jedi to be fair Why the fuck does he keep the surname Kenobi? Yeah, that's the more I was going with the the parallel idea of well if the whole thing is you're trying to Limit your attachment to material things and stuff like that simple robes Are not a bad, you know, and maybe it's less. So I like the shade of brown. Do you want you could mix and match And maybe he mixes in by going to tattooing because that's just normal clothing there That's what people wear at tattooing. Yeah But I I I don't disagree with this point really I I think there's lots to say on Ben's choices in terms of what he did It really does annoy me. It's like I better go with an alias Ben Kenobi. It's like No, no, no, not they'll you see that's the thing. He has how smart he was They'll be like Kenobi. That's obviously not him Yeah Yeah, he's like that's stupid Billions of Kenobi's. Yeah, you know, obviously He wouldn't keep the name Kenobi and just change the first name. That's obviously not him. That would be stupid Here we go and check My ice in the hole You think if they could program order 66 into the brains of stormtroopers Then they could program into their brains. What a Jedi knight might wear Or what Obi-Wan Kenobi might look like then you got the concepts of lightning and light savers Darth Vader had a lightsaber because he was a fallen Jedi knight. He made it red because he was evil I thought that was kind of cool and made him unique But then Darth Maul and Count Duke who ruined it I don't know about that. I don't know what to do with that And do you feel this way about like the new republic uh, the old republic and like every other piece of flick star was content Whether sith have I mean I don't understand what the problem is We know that there were sith and they have Red lightsabers Dearer's reasoning is like it's cool because Darth Vader's like evil and he made it red. It's like that's not very substantive Well, yeah, you're right. It's it's actually that's why is red an evil color Yeah, it just yeah, if you're gonna be that arbitrary with appreciating it It shouldn't bother you that much that the other guys are using red too If we're going with the argument he used then dooku's allowed because you know, he also is a fallen Jedi Yeah, that's right And it became established that if you're a bad guy Your name was Darth and that you had a red lightsaber. They come up with something new They had loads of new stuff Loads had a lot of new stuff Do away lightsaber. We you know, we just showed the dude who had that the planet correspond Yeah No, no, I take it back. Don't come up with the clone wars. Wait, stop. Stop coming out racing was cool. Stop Is he talking about the alien designs now? I like the idea of a two-headed announcer. It was in a shit movie But that part i'm fine Especially because one is talking in English and the other is talking in Some other language like that's a that's a nifty idea a two-headed announcer robot One speaks in one language the other speaks in the other language. That's that's a cool idea You're new stop, please. No, also the emperor didn't speak highly about lightsabers He's lightsaber To him they were like toys and then the emperor calls it a jedi weapon It is a jedi weapon. It's also And you could argue that he fucking lost tears. He's like, you know, I'm just gonna rely on my electric fuck this Yeah, but for some reason now the emperor has one so that is not like a contradiction I don't know why we're highlighting this so harshly. Yeah Okay, I have another lightsaber fight any who so at the end of jedi the emperor starts blasting luke with electricity I interpreted this as just one of the many powerful things that the emperor could do because he was so evil The lightning bolts are really just a storytelling element the emperor price It's it's also lightning coming out of He's losing me here because he's he's like Well, I guess we'll let him finish the point first Probably could have just stopped luke's heart from beating if he wanted to kill him or snap this thing about it. This is painful, right? Let's the idea Yeah With the force But he wanted to torture him He wanted to make him suffer for not turning to the dark side or again not so much about the lightning itself But more about the motivation of the characters in the scene luke has rendered completely helpless and is about to die The emperor is showing what a truly horrible prick. He is and vader is filled with emotional conflict So then the next time that we see bad guys use lightning. It's because they achieve love So it's too late though. It's a tool now and so people have to be able to use it You can't just be like no you can only use it when it's story relevant It's like no no it's something they would use to attack people now Yes, if we establish that something can be used then there's no reason why What there might not necessarily be in what reason why they can't use it It's in the universe it It was never necessarily Unique to the emperor. He was just the only character in that story who might be capable of using it And now we have multiple characters who are capable of using it and if I said Vader and Obi-Wan's fight in a new hope They use swords as a storytelling way of getting them close to each other and showing that they have like a classical way of battling Story-wise like it means a lot But now all the jedi have these swords all the sith have these swords when it was much more about Vader and Obi-Wan's relationship I'd be like that's nonsense don't make that argument But it's fine. It's okay. I get what you're saying But it we know that the sith can use that kind of ability when they've mastered a lot of it. Blah blah blah Level 12 sith status Tell me what's happening in this scene. I don't know the guy shooting lightning at anakin I'm really surprised actually that yoda didn't shoot green lightning out of his finger The new films are From the original ideas as if there is no way to create anything new they create Okay, it's technology that exists in the world. That's reincorporated. It makes sense It's like the carbon freezing chamber in mandalorian. It makes sense We're gonna see the technology of this universe again and again. Yes, it's okay Are you fucking kidding me right now come on that come on Oh god, I hear stars inside my brain someone help me Wait, now he's just saying that we we did droid because once and we did them again. Is that what he's saying? You can't do them anymore. They're literally the droid army. They're like one of the most powerful units I don't we did stormtroopers in a new hope. We can't do them in return of the jedi I don't know what's going on anymore Help me my brain is collapsing inside itself grappling hook. We can't have them again. All right grappling hooks ever It's all too d2 Hi guys, what are you doing? What are you doing Mike? It's a long time ago. Those are too d2 as a thing to get out of the situation Like they had it all planned out. Why is that being compared? I don't understand Had a time for when they were going to escape God damn it What I don't even know how you can compare that. I uh also one second right back oki doki This feels really unfair This a lot of this feels very unfair. I have a lot of problems with this entire section This uh, well, yeah, because I'm not even sure what the point is Like what what is what is the point here that you did you use things that existed in this universe and that was like that There was a crutch Yeah, it's I would expect to see re things that are reincorporated, especially tactics and technology Yeah, they're 20 years apart in the timeline. That's not that Yeah, things evolve and change. Yeah, these comparisons are very superficial They are very superficial. I have a lot of I have a lot of issues with this segment There are times and places where like you can have things that are legitimately in universe connections that you'd expect to see you have also things that are pointless Incorporations of other things and then you have that like meta wink wink nudge nudge nods to stuff Which is fine as long as it makes sense in the universe There's all kinds of different elements of revisiting things and a lot of them make sense here Same universe Oh Are you kidding me? Oh I'm gonna fuck my cat and then eat my cat and then kidnap a hooker and it'll help me fuck the pain away, right? Someone do something instead of door to destroy the death star. He destroys the ship that controls the robots That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard Really? It's not the stupidest thing you've ever heard. What's going on? This ending's very bad It's not the stupidest thing you've ever had. That guy in the back. He looks like christopher reeve If you say so Wait until he sees desks in the real world. He's gonna go into conniptions. Yep Wow, do you know I didn't even know what the second clip was gonna be I was like neither What are you gonna compare that to it was like, oh Okay, I thought I was a character getting hit by some falling debris, but I was wrong What's the problem Yeah, I I just I don't get it Pretend the final annoying thing about this movie is how everything is tied up into a nice neat bow at the end for some reason Oh, no Oh, no, what are we gonna do? I don't know Wait till you see tlj Thinking that the audience was too dumb and needed to have everything looked the way that it did at the start of a new Hope you don't know be one just give up and hide for 20 years Which contradicts their forward thinking proactive characters They don't even make an effort to get any information about what happened to the galactic senate. I don't disagree with that Feels like they would have done something in their time that they had Mm-hmm feels like they just gave up Uh a little bit there you could argue that Obi-Wan has a charge with with luke. So there's there's that but like Man Yoda, did you get really depressed and you just went, oh, okay. I'm going to take a bow. I'll wait. There's something else to happen I think it kind of fucks with the presentation in the ot how hard episode three tries to just establish the status quo Of the ot at the beginning well at the end of episode three rather Yeah, like this is once you watch this like especially because It has been what 20 years since the other movies I'm fine With these really super strong nods to the originals if this is a prequel it's been 20 years people want to see It's fine. I kind of like it. There are things I like about it. Like for example, yo, just going today. Gaba is like Oh Yeah Obi-Wan just like if if Yoda was like, uh, there's things I've got to do There's there's people I've got to speak to the blah blah anyways. We can imagine. Okay. He did some things. He ended up in digaba Yeah, I'm I'm more referring to the the attempt at sort of Bringing it to Like the jumping off point to get into the next movie like that much like even like even the end of rogue one I really I like the idea of once rogue one sort of ends it goes into the next movie Like that that idea I really like and I can appreciate that Um, I the desktop under construction a younger talking talking to the emperor invaders like that's all fine with me Yeah, that's I yeah, that makes sense. They would do those things That could have been a telegram and did the galactic senate operate in a democratic fashion for that long with the monster In charge who is building a death star with no kind of revolt or objection to anything Well, there was a rebellion. Maybe you heard of it. Yeah, I didn't a lot of people very unsatisfied with the building Yeah, they were they were not happy. There is there is a there is a there is a sizable rebellion That is like a legitimate force in the galaxy And also there's a lot of you know people who don't like the empire who you're just not necessarily part of that rebellion Anyway, here's there was a big celebration when the when the emperor got killed. There's a lot of happy people in the galaxy For all we know the construction of the death star Maybe it wasn't called that at first until it was revealed once it was moony base alpha Yeah, could it could just be a base just a base. Don't worry about space station. Don't worry about it So Yoda is on kashik, right surrounded by clone troopers Densha barker helps him escape by taking him to a tiny space egg hidden in the woods Was that the ship that Yoda arrived on? If so, why did he park it so far away in the middle of nowhere? Wouldn't have been landed on some kind of wookie landing platform It certainly wasn't a wookie ship because it was way too small Yeah, whatever so yoda gives up Obi-Wan gives up and then so does vader vader just stands at the emperor's side and the star destroyer Just waiting no he does stop No, that's just the scene where he's doing that like he hasn't existed Like do you think tarkin is not going off to his office or to check on something or to issue orders or to They exist outside of this singular scene Like they're going to be doing stuff like when the scene's over like the next day They're not going to still be here. Look, they're not going to watch. I know they froze it in place Dean Hurry up and get done with that death star so I can go take a poop I'm not even going to look into the whole padme thing or what happened to her. He's just going to trust my he might have You might have and who knows what the emperor did to sort of frame that situation. I don't know Padme did die. I mean, I I don't know if there's going to be a legitimate autopsy on we don't know And if he found out he doesn't did have kids you will still not know where they are Yes Monster mash just got away with lying to the whole universe Number 14. I'm done So I don't know if there's anything more to say about revenge or the sith or the other star wars prequels Sure, you could pick them all apart on the technical failings to plot inconsistencies and the lousy dialogue But generally speaking they failed to connect with people and that was the main problem I don't know I felt like someone feels tough to agree with that one. Doesn't it? Yeah, I just don't know Yeah, especially now Especially in a post-sequel world. Yeah, if you wanted to argue that then you have to acknowledge it connected with a load of people Connected with me and then you got to think out like why and if you if he's just going to write off as I was just the colors they'd be like I mean a huge portion of the beginning of my mando script starts with here's why I really like and appreciate the prequels Warts and all and here's why I hate Mandalorian in the sequels Came along and sucked all the excitement and emotion out of star wars And then they left it in this vacuum of dull sterile Boringness the original films had a richness to them. They felt more real There's just so many moments and images They felt more real, but it wasn't just because of cgi. I know that's what you're thinking We talked about it enough, but I just don't enough there that resonate no i don't remind everybody is Initial thoughts on tfa was he loved it Yeah And it just makes me believe like I think he was given what he thought he wanted, but it wasn't what he needed Stars, you know, yeah, they have they have definitely come around on them. That's for sure. Yeah, uh, you get a lot of you get a lot of They still think the sequels are better than the prequels last I heard they think that yeah I think so their their opinion on the sequels is definitely sourced significantly they I think tlj for them really was a turning point like it was for many people because their tlj video was very Well, well, I mean admittedly I really liked tfa when I first watched it I think me too. Yeah, a lot of people did everybody really liked it Everybody's like star wars is back. That was the meme Yeah, uh, that was I mean that was pre efap. That was I mean tlj is what essentially tlj created efap tlj created a lot of things Yeah That made me this podcast this recording would probably not exist if it wasn't for tlj Which is very crazy to think about thanks ryan for ruining star wars. Yeah, and see that's the thing I think the disney dealt way more damage to star wars as a brand than george ever did easily Not even close. Do you think that someone would buy star wars for you know, if we translated Inflation the same amount that disney bought it for I don't know I mean you take I In no universe in no possible multiverse what I ever buy a captain phasma action figure over a jango fet action Well, I feel like uh, yeah, I mean and the big metric is dude star wars had its like first commercial failure Under uh, when it got bought the solo that movie is a commercial failure There was no such thing There was no such thing as a commercially Of star wars film that failed at the box office I've brought it up before and it's always worth re-bringing up But we're talking about the prequels and sequels The phantom menace and revenge of the sith made about the same amount of money Yeah a lot of money the force awakens made twice as much money as the rise of skywalker Yeah, and you know to be fair it made like it made a good 700 million dollars more than uh, then tlj as well The big drop off tlj was a big drop off. Yes And then I think that's another big drop off Exactly because there was a drop off with the attack of the clones, but then it recovered again absolutely Because there was enough interest there was a lot of hype gave a fuck about There was no hype really for uh from tross. No nobody gave a really wasn't yeah And that's what I mean. How does that happen where you're making star wars films and nobody gives a shit Everybody was really excited for the force awakens. There's no Talking yourself around that one people were not excited. They just weren't They were excited. Well if they were it was in a morbid curiosity. Yes Like what are they even gonna do exactly Of our collective memories. There's just too many to list Moments that we remember because we're emotionally invested in what's happening The force will be with you always No one will remember dexter jetster I remember dexter. I don't remember that weird cruella lady in the back, but I remember dexter jetster. Jesus Yeah, you can say like well, it's only because of memes. It's like, yeah, well, then don't make the point Well, I don't know that well, what does that mean only because of the memes? Yeah, does it not count as being remembered if it's remembered through memes? It absolutely counts if it's as far as i'm concerned Yeah, I mean I mean it's It is what it is people remember it for whatever the reasons may be It's like that guy in middle gear solid two said whose name I don't know because I don't know what the game is You know memes Is that what he said memes? He just said memes He just said the word memes He said something about memes, yes The entire team of metal gear solid two is memes in fact. Yeah The whole thing is memes Memes It's like okay, well the dna of the soul It was a good point And his fifties cafe or um that part when Just can we can we just appreciate the fact that george lucas was like fuck it fifties diner Complete with a robot who says hun Yeah, like that's just george just did that that's chomping Let's see, um Well, the part one. No, no, let me let me think the the part when The part when c3 p.o Flew around on a thing part when order 66. Everybody remembers that. Yeah part when order 66 The part when jewel of the fates the part went. Yeah Yeah, the part when pod racing. Yep. Yep the part when uh Over one and and anakin fight Yeah, the part when that opening battle scene The part when palpatine said i am the senate The part where palpatine part where do it. Yeah Yep, that's right many many parts the part where do it Immediately attack of the clothes has a lot fewer of those. I would agree with that But even then it has some who's gonna remember the part in where they they went through the portal thing to get to Exegol. Well attack attack of the clones. I'll give it the the cool asteroid sonic seismic charge thing Oh, yeah, the part when boba fat. Yeah, uh, not boba fat He was there. He was there. He was there. That's true. The part when jango effect on his fucking head chopped off Yeah, yeah, that was neat Do you remember that I forgot about it already But really at its core star wars was about the people A vast array of characters situations and relationships And most importantly we liked those people I don't like any of these people. I Certainly like these people more than Yeah, yeah, I don't want these people to suffer like the sequel trilogy people I like obi-wan. I like palpatine I like I like like I don't like even jar jar. I don't hate It's like I don't I don't there's like a There's an awkwarded like I don't know like There's a charm to help him use this Yeah, I just I suppose the fact that When I see jar jar, I see george lucas thinking that he was the key to everything And then he just sort of disappears. I see a really bad idea, but It is nonetheless I see a character that's universally hated and was put into the film That was it not just like put in a film, but um piece by piece by piece putting that film Like yeah, someone has worked really hard to make it gripped Yeah, a lot of people worked very hard to make that fucking gun gun And that's what makes him fascinating in a way Yeah I want him back. I don't want disney to ruin him The being a star was sorry And in the end all the computers in the world can't generate the most basic thing that a movie needs An emotional connection with the audience. I agree. That's why the Roscoe were so bad And think about all of the movies that use puppets and practical effects and can't do that I mean, I was gonna say you don't agree with that for any we got plenty of movies that he even said We got full movies with just computers. Oh, what what did he what was the full statement? We had a computer can't like create an emotional connection. It's like, oh, well Yeah, yeah, but I wholeheartedly disagree with that obviously toy story Incredible, I mean he just agrees with that What he definitely does, um It's not it's not a point Yeah, if you sat him down and actually asked him about it I guess I'm just saying like yeah visual effects that didn't save the rise of skywalker It's definitely and I think that's what he would clarify a statement to he'd be like No, I just mean the putting loads of stuff on the screen doesn't make it more emotionally engaging on something Yeah, doesn't make it emotionally disengaging. Yeah, I mean, I was gonna say it's a little bit neutral in a way Right. It's it's yeah, exactly Oh, I was feeling so good about my ability to do that That's great. It's gonna be great. That's gonna be great. That's gonna be great. Again. It's like poetry. So if they rhyme Every stanza kind of rhymes with the last one I mean work you can kind of see that The hat has it but Yeah, it's a funny line, but like it could work It could yeah, it didn't it's so dead every cemetery has so many things going on We've seen it but we've never seen it fight that's it that that is the most Out-of-place couch I've ever seen what is that couch doing in this room? It's like it's like that full of patterns all over it Yeah, exactly. Yeah, like these are like these are drafting tables That look like they're used for architectural work and this is just grandma's couch You have more money. You don't need grandma's couch. You can how did you get here grandma's couch? What grandma is missing their couch and in george lucas That was stolen to do for star wars episode one grandma's couch a star wars story Come on phantom cushion The phantom cushion Attack of the couch First revenge of the sit Everything I hope this music isn't copyrighted Um, well his video is up right? Yeah, I wonder if it's just claimed or something because this was a long time ago when like what eight years ago I think so Yeah, so I I don't I didn't I imagine they weren't quite as um Careful with their monetization stuff as they are now because there's like legit Like songs in the background and stuff in this but I guess it flies just His way of actually trying to make the best possible for You look like an interesting This is swan lake Like this is like a this sounds like a really strange Version like a cheap karaoke version of a swan lake tune Do you hear that? I don't know like I'm yeah That's all right. That's fine. Theo gets it. It's all good I'm sorry. I said swan lake what I meant to say was nutcracker my bad It's a different different chikowsky thing, but it's the one that's you In my honor if you would like a pizza roll I have seven left over I figured out how to put a pizza roll onto a floppy disk And I'll send you the floppy disk in the mail and you can insert the floppy disk into your computer's floppy disk drive And then upload or download the pizza roll onto your screen saver Also, I'm selling some can't meet. I mean chicken on craigslist Please find the post and send me a message and we'll negotiate for a price There we are nice. We did it. We did it the star wars revenge of the sith Plinket review covered In all of its glory I mean a good chunk of it was just like yeah, really just yeah I'm not sure where I would land the percentage, but it was a mixed bag of um, definitely a mixed bag Definitely a mixed bag. There were a fair amount of just points. It's just like yeah, basically. Yeah, exactly totally agree And funny as hell Yeah, there's plenty of great jokes in there. Um Yeah, there's plenty I disagree with and I honestly think it's my fundamental difference in approach to what they Often include intuition with a lot of their points, right like we all know that this is this way and you're like Well, I think I get the impression that there are there are parts where it's like They wouldn't agree with what they said like about the visual effects if they had a more Thorough conversation about it. I think so. Um, I guess the problem is that a lot of the observations they made caught on um That like people now use a lot of these points to uh to shit on visual effects or like shot reverse shot um That one take isn't impressive because it was in cg It's like, uh, that's unfortunate. Well, yeah, um one of the big things people took away from these videos Because he says it a lot in the first and possibly second video, but the politics suck and are boring stop doing them Yeah, and that I think honestly was heard and understood by disney Yeah, and uh and look at the consequence. We have no understanding of what this place is what's going on With the prequels we we try to search for how to seal the holes and Understand motivations that are vague, but in the sequels we don't even have any way to begin in terms of state of the world What is the republic? What is it? Where are they who are who are the players in this universe this galaxy now rather? Yeah, nobody knows because we don't we don't gotta answer these questions Yeah, I I would love to know Honestly, do they think the prequel trilogy or the sequel trilogy is worse, especially after tross Yeah, well, yeah after tross in particular. It's like man Yeah, I I wonder if they could Especially mike. I guess because he's probably the most plinketist of them all in a way You know, he's plinket the character. He has a very personal hatred for the prequels like Yeah, I'm wondering him especially like yes, I know this was a long time ago But I wonder if because the star wars prequel reviews are so big for rlm and still continue to be um if he would Be like if he would say he was too harsh on them or um I mean, I don't know that he would I I guess the thing is I'm not sure that he was These are bad movies. Um, there were just parts where it felt like it was a bit unfair Yeah, I think like Yeah, go for it. I think most of the time when it was unfair The problem to me was that the criticism lacked specificity and like sure to be tied back to What the exact problem is in this film rather than general overtures to something that sounds face value bad Which is why I kind of heard that Ended up being Yeah, I look these two things are paralleling each other He's just reusing things when you put it like that it intuitively sounds like okay. That's that's a bad thing, right? The the needs to be a bit more legwork done to actually construct an argument around that as to why this is a problem Yeah Um, I like the video overall though I do like it overall Clearly a lot of thought and effort went into it Which is nice to see on e-fap and the videos It does feel funny, right when you have this video. It's like man It was made like a decade ago and it's probably one of the best ones we've watched for editing I would probably say so. Absolutely. It's some editing. Yeah Well, because the funny thing is like someone might be like, wait, so do you think this or mark brown is better editing? I'd be like, well mark browns is so Uh worthless pointless this feels like everything was chosen With reason while marks is always just factory line sort of thing It's like mark will put an arrow to point at a thing that you would be looking at anyway It's completely superficial superficial and pointless But the editing in this is used to help display a point that you might not have otherwise There's much more flavor in the editing for this than there is in a mark brown video Absolutely This like I don't feel like this was this is This um video was not made by like a committee or it's it's not corporate. It's not safe You know, it's it's definitely very stylized and Reminds me of uh, the fun aspect of youtube as a platform Yeah, yeah being able to express themselves creatively in a in a fun new way that you don't see as much in like television He said retard He did He said he said fuck my cat And then he had a joke which was his cat He pissed on a vhs in a toilet And it was just like that's I like to see that it's like a human made this Yeah, and these were uh super influential and it doesn't surprise me because they are If very well made Obviously the 480p like clips in some places like would be obvious But if it came out today and everything was updated in terms of resolution alone This wouldn't bat an eye people would be like, yeah, this makes sense because this is a Very well put together video like it would be a good one Yeah But it came out so long ago that it's super popular and it was just a lot of people watched this I remember thinking because I'd seen enough nostalgia critic where I was like, whoa, this is like Way better like this is fucking Holy shit Nostalgia well like nostalgia critic videos they can have really like a lot of editing too, but It just is like the pacing is really off is the big thing for the star critic What point does the editing serve oftentimes, you know, like sure there might be a lot of editing But why what does it add? What does it tell me? What is it? What's the point? Is it just editing for its own sake? Well Um, I guess we'll move on to super chats. Yeah, um, oh wait Oh, this wasn't live. Fuck Yeah, well, I was gonna be like, hey, let's do super chats And then there'd be a pause and I'd say All right Now that we're done. We're super chats and we carry on. That's right. Thanks for thanks to everybody I could edit it so that joke still happens rags All right. All right. All right. We'll do it again. All right Or should I now leave it so that people can see that we had a plan to do it? And it failed We know it now. You know what? Fuck now my heart's not in it. So the decision's made up. Yeah, the potions gone There. Yeah there. You killed it. You killed it. I made it it like I made it up killed it This is all seos fault It's funny though. Uh, some of the bigger threads about how much we suck is like, oh, no They learned all the wrong things from plinket and I'm just sitting here like I mean he does a lot of the stuff I do and we do so So why is it hated as well? It's just because I think He made this when this was much more of a fun thing to do Now it's seen as like rote and just basic to be like, I don't like a thing way When when he in a way a lot of a lot of the the video essays now they're like the prequels in a way In a way like they're just they seem a little soulless and flat and sterile It's funny enough. I was going to say they're more like the sequels to me In the they're all the like to cash in on how the genre works. They never have anything to fucking say Meanwhile, I prefer the era between like this video and where we are now where a lot of people were really bad at making them But really had stuff to say Maybe that's the prequel era of youtube video essays. I don't know Do not know either Either way that was efap one six six Order one six six you might even say Um, everyone knows how you feel about revenge of the sith now Even though I feel like we were pretty I think they already knew anyway, but now you know why Now it's very clear. I don't like this film. I don't like any of these films. I like them. Well, I like I like them But they're bad. Yeah, they're They're very useful to learn from Yeah, you know what? Yeah, you're right. Um, if I think the sequels are that too Yeah, I think you're it's like more overt like hey, don't do that, you know Like or maybe it's better than in that you can have the material there and be like well, you can fix this like you can fix Yes, what's good? What's bad? How can you fix this? So chair has its legs off a lot of scuffed and broken up wood and stuff and needs to be I can sit in it Yeah, as opposed to dumping just a pile of wood. It's like this is a chair fix it They're like that's a chair. Oh, shit. Okay. Hold on. Isn't this so it's just a log Yeah, it's exactly with one nail No, I don't have hammers. Use your hands Figure it out. Well, they just like make a chair out of the log. Here's a spoon So all the nails are hidden at an undisclosed location Mm-hmm Yeah, that was that was a lot of fun. Hopefully this went up without any problems in terms of copyright Uh, you at home will have known by now what it was to experience this wonderful little journey we had but um Yeah, what what moller? What year is it? Better that we don't confirm that I'm sure Okay, it's fair enough. Hopefully there's a non Descript undetermined. Yeah. Well, it's supposed to be eps of 166. So hopefully it's that which means it should be this year I say this year like Greetings from the far off year of 2021 I imagine it came out that that would be nuts If it doesn't pan out then you just just skip a number on a live you've happened leave people wondering Well, I just call whatever was going to take the place of this one 165 b I find a way to Make it work Um, but that's that I like the video. I think it makes some really good points and some little bit poopy ones I think it's pretty good for when it came out and I'm sure he's changed his mind on a couple things I don't think so. It's been a long time. I still love red letter media as a channel And I would recommend checking out all this stuff plenty of insight into storytelling moviemaking And uh, they're just really fun to be around. Good vibe I kind of video that makes you like interested in having a conversation with the person about films Which is that's a good thing And the video in total is shorter than the movie so he wins Oh, yeah, he's oh, yeah the golden rule Anything else you guys want to say Um I could say the clone was bad another time I'm uh Mary to sabba Yeah, everybody. I hope you enjoyed our video And we'll see you later. I have nothing else to say. I've exhausted all my commentary. Neither do I But bye. Oh, you're at Merry Christmas. Merry. Uh, oh, yeah. Yeah, have a merry Christmas