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Thank you for joining us tonight I have my sister in the Lord special guest Delilah Mosley some of you may know her some of you may not but after tonight Everyone by God's grace will know her because she has a story and she has an experience a very truthful objective fact base irrefutable Perspective and experience that she will be sharing with the by the Christ regarding her membership at adamant believers council ABC under the leadership of G Craig Lewis And so Delilah, thank you and I really do mean that from the bottom of my heart. Thank you. Thank you Thank you so much for Deciding to speak up and to speak out regarding this issue of abuse manipulation of the negative effects that you may have experienced being a member of ABC so I wanted to give you this opportunity and and again I What you are doing right now is I'm pressing into and I say that sister because of the simple fact That you are the first person The very first person to come forward to share your story I don't know how long you had to wait to have this opportunity to do so But I do believe that we don't operate by coincidence. We operate by God's providence and sovereignty So therefore this is a purposeful moment This is a moment that I believe God has allowed us to have our paths to cross and could join And so I wanted to again publicly. Thank you my sister for for being bold for being courageous for being a woman of integrity and being a woman of honesty and truth by sharing your story sharing your life because again We don't know how many people Are going to be affected by this and so I just want to personally thank you sister So introduce yourself again. Let people know a little bit about yourself and by the way ladies and gentlemen This is an an Off-scripted discussion. We don't have any any I don't have any list of questions and whatever I feel I want to ask her this is this is a off-the-cuff off the dome Freestyle conversation, but from the heart. So you're going to be in for a blessing I pray that your hearts and your minds are open to the truth that what you're going to be receiving on tonight So sister go right ahead All right First of all, hello everybody My name is Delilah 26 years old and Basically, I will be sharing with you all Wow, I'll be sharing with you all What happened to me at ABC and how my situation Was so poorly handled by the leadership there Seiko so do you want me to just start from the beginning of everything you can start right? Yeah, you go feel whatever you feel led to start that system Okay, all ready. Let's get it. Let's get it Okay So I guess my name is Delilah. I was a member of ABC. I Was invited. I'll just start. I'll just go down everything So in the beginning I was invited to ABC by a couple. Their name is Herman and Sequoia I was their waitress at Papadose and we had a conversation and they invited me to the church First thing the Sequoia told me was she'll send me the address because I wouldn't be able to find it anywhere Didn't think anything of that So my first day I was ABC. It was November 9th, 2014 I was introduced to the girls that were close to my age and the guys including And I'm gonna call him George because that's his name. I was introduced to Georgia's son Linden We would all usually hang out after church and sometimes at Georgia's house I would from there get better acquainted with Miss Ann Marie and Miss Zabeta After a while of sitting under the church and hearing the creation role message I bought into it Being I was very new in the faith and I was also yet very young. I think I was 22 or 20 probably 22 at the time It was easy for me Sometime later we had an annual Skate day at ABC We had a skate day at ABC. It's where I See Yeah, we had a skate day on a Sunday where that's where I met my now ex-husband That's where he first approached me and from there after a couple times of talking we decided to date I did as George about him, but George told me that he didn't really know him that well. I had a closer Relationship with George and Miss Zabeta than my ex-husband did let's just remember. Let's just keep that in mind for future references on August 16th of 2015 me and my ex-husband got married and This is where the real story begins Throughout our marriage and very soon I saw him Change into a completely different person He seemed more angry and controlling. He was very verbally abusive He called me names. He talked down on me and my family He would always He always a point. I would I this wasn't doing right in the marriage And how I was the reason he was so unhappy I couldn't talk during our conversations or give my opinion I couldn't see my friends that didn't go to ABC at all and wasn't allowed to have any social media during the time that I was married I put up with the verbal abuse for a while and over time I became very numb to it But the main thing I was being taught while I was in the church was I please God through pleasing my husband So so that's why many of the times I would just pray about the issues that we had and not even praying Much about God changing him but God trying to change me so I could please him um But no matter how hard I tried to be a good wife He continued to get angrier and more aggressive as time went on um Many times he would get into arguments would be on sunday mornings and he would leave me at at home and I wouldn't be at church on Sundays And you know, I would have to tell people at the church who texted me when they went back when they were concerned That I was just sick and I was just dealing with you know, I just didn't want to come to church because I was sick there's a lot of babies there so um He also started to be a little bit more forceful and started grabbing me more um Just more over time and I just put up with that and just kept putting up with it. Um Being that I wanted to be counseled by older women I would go on lunch dates with sabata and tell her everything I was going through and her advice to me was um I'm stronger than I think I am and I'll be okay So I continued to pray for myself to change and to Learn to be a better wife. I wrote everything down you guys just because the story is get it's just a lot So for the sake of clarity for the sake of clarity says let people know who is sabata Who what is sabata uh to you and what was her role in the church? Miss sabata is george's wife. Um I love miss sabata. She was a very sweet woman Anytime that I needed to Talk to her about anything that I was going through. She was there. We would go out on lunch dates and You know, she would pray and we would talk so She was someone that I you know, I thought that I could count on so that's that's my relationship with sabata I don't know who's putting laugh and emojis, but you can leave this chat if this is so funny to you Not to be hostile or anything, but this is a very serious situation and you're laughing and if I see it I'll block them simple as that but go right ahead sister. Um so after about another year of Enduring the verbal abuse and emotional abuse trying to put on a smile on sundays for others So I wouldn't embarrass him. So he says Because pastor, you know taught women that Pastor taught the women that you know, you you shouldn't Put your husband in a position where he's embarrassed or people are asking what's wrong But I'm only human and I'm only gonna show so be able to play a role or play a lot for so long um I could see that I was trying but he just seemed to get angrier as time passed and I would get into these I won't get into the details of what happened Really about the abuse, but you know people want to blame me and say well, what did you do? You know, what what did you do to make him attack you? And You know, if you know my character at that church, I'm very quiet. I'm not an angry person I'm not a glamorous woman I just go to church. I try to be nice to everybody, you know, I always volunteered it was always Trying to be in service. I've you know kept a lot of the children when they had abc date night So a lot of people knew me at the church Um, so I won't get into much detail about that just know that I was physically abused by my ex-husband so from there on, um kind of in shock some time passed and I went to p 31 And after p 31, I told I told mr. Baker what happened Um, I went to mr. Baker and told her what happened and she told me to call pastor George So I called George and told him everything Everything that happened George Lewis told me to call and go to the police So instead of going back home that night to my ex-husband um See, I went to I went to police officers One was the actual loose there jail in Dallas, but they don't that's not where you follow police reports I had to go somewhere in deep Ellen of all by myself that night and I followed the police report there And this is at the time I was still working for Louis Vuitton But I was about to transition to working at UT Southwest where he my ex-husband actually works And this was on March the third I was at work that day and I had got a call from miss Amy She had asked me to send her a picture of She had asked me to send her a picture of the police report that I had filed I don't know what she needed it for she says the pastor told her to get it, but um Here's that Yeah, back up a little bit on it get a little Because I would show it on my embassy's I'm doing the the live on off the screen It won't be able to show but you have the evidence right there for those who know and if and if we need to put it in the in the chat We'll put it in the chat later if it's not visibly seen but you can see her fingerprints right there Actually, there it is great That's the police report. So that is the police report that I sent to miss To miss Amy who asked for it. You all can see the date It's March 3rd 2017 Again, I don't know why she asked for that, but I guess she sent it to pastor. He was just trying to confirm that I did do that So let me see back to that was just one evidence because you know people want to say that I'm lying about this So there's one receipt So during this time I'm with my dad. I'm trying to reach out to pastor Um, and we're So I discovered this the worst I get a call from miss Amy asking if I had the case number for the report file Which I sent her I asked her for and so while me and miss Amy were on the phone I did ask her for advice because you know, I just went through a very traumatic experience You know, I got physically abused by Amanda was supposed to be protecting me And all miss Amy could say was you need to talk to pastor about it. I was like, okay Um, and I told her like he he really wasn't answering my phone calls or takes me back So so he wasn't reaching he wasn't returning my phone call for my tech. Oh I reached out to miss sabata Who also instructed me to ask pastor. I told her he wasn't answering me back And he kind of stopped from there Um, let's see More time passed and I still didn't hear from him My ex-husband goes gets taken to jail for the charges. I pressed against him the first time in jail So this is the first time that he went to jail Um, I was told this by the detective that was handling the case Um, so he went to jail I think he went to jail for the first time for maybe like a week or two and he was he got released on bond So more time passed and I didn't hear from anyone not even my friends at abc So I had a group of girls that I hung up hung out with um Tasha lacy alondria shea I didn't hear from any of them, but you know, they're still carry on in the group chat like everything is okay Um So after my ex-husband got in jail the first time I was alerted by the jail that he had been released and I received Uh this call of my friend the detective letting me know that hey, he's he's been released on bond, but these are his He's been told not to come near you. He's been told not to contact you. Um until You know the case is settled And I received this call When I was leaving work So I'm texting, um I'm texting another girl that I was friends with her name is key entry I was texting her As I was looking at work and I kind of noticed that my phone was acting kind of weird So I'm like I'm looking down at my phone texting her say hey Try to call me because I think something's going on with my phone and my hand is down like this And as soon as I look up my ex-husband is right in front of my face So at this point I I I I don't really I didn't really know what to do He had turned off my phone. He had gotten out of jail. He came up to my job and you know, he has You know, I know he he's licensed to carry. He has a gun, but he said that he just wanted to talk So I I got frightened. I kind of started walking away with him, but thank god that I had told All of my co-workers who are around me that what you know, what I was going through So they could kind of pray for me and be vigilant for me as well They started walking up from behind me and one of my co-workers her name is Lydia She said uh, no you're coming with us because she knew who he was and knew what was going on So they tried they all walked me to try to walk me to my car and he decided to follow us And once we got to my car come to find out he had parked his truck Next to my car in the parking garage Because he was trying to get me to come back home He was trying to give me to come back home with him, but he was still acting up acting erratic And it scared me and it scared my co-workers It scared my co-workers to the point that they called the campus police at UT Southwestern to come arrest man again And that night I went home to my dad Again, I tried to call Pastor Lewis and tell him what happened, still getting no response from him So let's see see where I am now Yeah, again y'all I apologize for Take your time take your time You know all the back of the flipping because it's just I gotta stay on track. It's a lot. Yeah. Take your time. Take your time Yeah, let's just see. Yeah, so I tried to call Pastor. Did not get any type of response um I wanted some type of support or spiritual advice to handle everything I was going through Remember I had been physically abused and had no one but the Lord to talk to I hadn't been to church just due to the fact that I didn't want people asking me where he was um, just trying to Wait to talk to uh, George about his behavior and how Uh, he didn't listen to the police um Let's see How he you know How he violated his bond by coming near me after he was released from the jail. So that shows that My husband wasn't going to be listening to any type of authority Especially the police um, the next day at work I was called uh to the campus police office I was told that he had been arrested again while he was at work for violating his bonds And it was told that the campus police had now contacted the Dallas police And the Dallas police department issued me an emergency protective order against him And that was issued on April 13 2007 and for any one of the things online. I have it right here and You know, I just hold that up case number and everything And this was issued by the police department. This is something that I didn't go out and do because uh earlier in the year at the same Workplace the UT southwestern the same situation happened And the girl into the ended up getting shot So everybody was uh more concerned It's like my job was more concerned about my safety than the actual church was but we'll we'll get there so this time This time he was in jail for almost two months Uh, still no contact with pastor So still I won't I still still I wait no church No friend to talk to because nobody was nobody was to answer me And no no type of godly guidance Um one day while he was still in jail. I did get a call from miss Amy Um, I'm mostly asking her why it's not pastor louis calling me So I could keep him up today on what is going on. I thought he cared at the time. Um Um My conversation with miss Amy didn't last long that day. She was trying to convince me to forgive my ex-husband um And kept stating that abc doesn't believe in divorce And she preached to me that all people fall short of the grace of god and all of this and I'm just like miss Amy I understand where you're coming from but y'all haven't y'all don't even know what's going on Y'all don't know that he's in jail again Y'all don't know the tactics that he's doing to try to control to kind of try to control me And it would really help if someone was here listening to what i'm going through To just give me some type of godly advice, you know, just some type of guidance trying to go through this um So I got upset. I haven't talked Um, no you're fine. Nobody nobody said anything. Go ahead. You're fine Okay, so I got upset. I haven't talked to pastor. I'm dealing with a potentially dangerous man who has Abused me and she's talking about they don't believe in divorce, which it seems like why are you worried about? Why is divorce even being brought up if someone would help us? Maybe we could work through this Um, so more time passed and I wanted uh talk to pastor again I asked he would be okay if I could come to church just for emotional support and I actually have those messages here I'm somehow Somehow my friends still have these Yeah, go ahead and read those if you can if you don't mind reading them for me sister that way if you can hear Yeah, so let me pull these up real quick Here we are And for the record why she's pulling them up I do I do have copies of it because she sent me copies of those text messages between her and uh, G Craig Lewis go ahead sister Yeah, so um Here's the messages right here. Uh-oh All right, y'all So here are the messages right here The blue is me Grays him and I will just read what it says say go you can post it on your facebook live so people can see it Okay, so they don't think I'm making sure I'll post it later. Go ahead Okay I said hey pastor Lewis Um, I'm trying to I'm not trying to give any information or get counseling from you at this point I honestly just want to come back to church on Sundays But everything I'm going through Is really hard not being able to come to church I won't even have to be seen. He didn't respond. I don't know what date I sent this on but the day that he responded was April the 27th um And he also this is what his response was to me Huh? Sorry He says we will let you know and you should come back But enough time needs to pass There are accusations from both of you going around the church and that's something we do not want to affect the membership You need this time away We are praying that you work this out with your husband That's all we can do right now be blessed. So I'm going to break this down Because I this I have so many I had so many questions at the time um First is we want you to know when we can come back still haven't heard from them about that. Um He said there are accusations from both of us on around the church So I'll stop right there. How are accusations going around the church from both of us if he's in jail? right right This is something that we don't want to affect the membership. Why are you worried about the membership? Are you not concerned about a person that's being a wife that's being abused by her her husband? You know, this was the questions these are the questions that I still have this day and I don't I don't under I don't understand And I was April 27 So I can I can really go off of notes from here Please see off of my notes from here So that was April the 27th. That was when I reached out And I'm good for anything because that just That just shocked me. I wasn't really I wasn't expecting that So the last time I reached out to him again. It was June 1st Um, I said, hey pastor Lewis Whenever you get a chance, I really would like to update you about my situation, please A lot has happened in the past month and it's been extremely hard having no support from my church He never responded So from there do you have any questions for me so far as they go? Um, no But I do have one. Um, you said two months without contact from from the church That does that mean two two months without contact from uh from from g craig Uh, say that again, you went out. Yeah, I said you had mentioned that there was you what there was two months without any contact Uh from the church, uh, would that include g craig Lewis when you was mentioning about your husband being You know at the time your husband at that time being in jail and there was still no contact No correspondence from from the church leadership. Yeah, so, you know, he he got got picked up And I don't know if it was a month or two. He was in jail for a very long time And i'm not sure if he was in contact with mace, but I don't know But just walk the time that the time that he was in jail for the second time. There was no contact from anybody Like nobody okay, and the church was aware of the abuse the church was aware of the physical abuse They they they saw the reports That you were able to uh supply them with No, I nobody nobody was because anybody that I tried to talk to they would always direct me back to pastor And he would never answer the phone. Okay. I would say like I'm trying to reach out to you. I'm trying to update you on what's going on But he either just would not respond and when he did he told me the whole well, you know There's accusations and stuff for me But he was the one that told you to call the police, correct? He was one that told me to call the police But never corresponded with you never followed up with you never checked to see on your welfare and well-being on how you were doing after that No You know the only time that I gave him any information was when miss amy had called me to get that case number the first time back um The first time he got arrested first time I pressed charges So You know, I didn't hear from any of the women that I thought I had good relationships with you know It was just it was just like I I can't even explain it like I'm I'm passing out but going back to it in my mind. It was just like It was just like I can't believe this is happening I can't even fathom this Did you experience what were the mental or psychological effects of this? Did you experience any bouts of depression any bouts with suicide anything that you know, um that you contemplated doing? um At this point of your life Yes, I mean I don't even know where to begin say go. I mean, I was already dealing with A lot of emotional abuse in the marriage and verbal abuse So, you know, the physical abuse just kind of just Almost took me took me out really but When I realized how people When I really saw how people just did not care actually kind of just broke my heart I was in a very bad place mentally um For a while like like I said I just couldn't I couldn't I think I was almost Crazy because I couldn't even grasp the fact that how how you would call yourself a church how you all would call yourselves christians And y'all didn't y'all y'all didn't care at all Y'all didn't care at all. Y'all only cared about like I said the effect of membership So you're worried about numbers at your church. You're worried about an image And you're not concerned like I'm 20 something years old going through this. I'm like two years younger than his daughter I'm thinking like how could you do this to me? How could how could y'all just not try to help me? so even with that The the trauma that you experienced um And you mentioned about you you tried to There were nobody there was nobody there for you. Um, and I can't imagine, you know that in that regard How did you make it? I mean what what was what was the anchor? What was the the the The thing or what did you have to do in order to keep your sanity and to keep yourself from from snapping For a while I mean this this hurt me bad. I I left the faith for a while Where did you go the faith for me? Where did you go? Like I stopped I stopped being a believer I was like, I can't believe if this is how Christians act and I don't want any parts of this You know, I was I was young. So I'm just like I I can't believe that people You know Christian people by themselves Christians would act this way towards somebody and they and it just made me feel like like I did something so wrong, right I was like, what did I do to just be excommunicated so badly? But you know, I you know, I I'm already a very strong person I've been through stuff in my past before this So I was like, you know, I'm not dead. I'm still breathing and I'm just gonna try to live my life the best way I know how so From there, you know, I just started I started just going to work. I started making new friends and You know, I just started to live my life. I traveled I went to many different states that you know within that year um, which leads me to A whole nother uh episode so Yeah, so As I'm you know, as I'm in the world now just trying to live my life and forget about it Um, I was invited me and some of the girls that I was friends with I'm still friends with now that I met through work. We went to go see Beyonce And I know, oh my god, Beyonce evil hip hop bag, whatever I want to go see Beyonce if I go on the hell for it And y'all can stay mad about it. Um, went to go see Beyonce so we're posting pictures and we're posting videos and You guys Let me just go ahead and pull it up for them. Say go before you go. Yeah, let's get it. Let's do this Yeah, I know what it's about so Anisa, you know what this is about Let me see if I can find it so the next day from That hot girl summer. I got um, okay. You good. Is he good? Marvin is Marvin, okay Oh, yeah. No, that was funny. Oh, okay. Okay. All right. Okay. All right. I'm checking. All right No, like you make nobody make me mad at this point. So so, um Let's see. So I the next day from the concert. I um, I get a dm It says EX ministries And EX ministries is represented by who? Yeah, for those who don't know who I know EX ministries is led and ran and and started by who? Yeah, yeah, Marvin you're just joke It's no it's no hate you're here. You're all like I'm I'm healed from this situation and just hope I can bring Everybody else. Yeah for those who don't know Can you tell people who EX ministries is ran by who leaves it who's over it? George Okay That's that's g craig Lewis if people don't know his first name. It's not the kingdom. George. I'm gonna call him George. So Yeah So it's a dm from EX ministries and He uh, let's see That's the uh, g craig Lewis from EX ministries calling Disreplying to the video just saying hope And at first I honestly did not believe it. I was like I had to go to his page You know, this is his um instagram page at the time And as you can see i'm not But because I can see his at this time i'm not blocked Because I can see everything So and this this happened on september 11 of 2018 So last year So with me just being How I was handling things I was really upset I was like, how can this man a guy come into my first of all, why are you on my instagram? You know, you haven't responded to me Since june and now it's september telling me when I can come back to church And now you're in my my instagram direct messages calling another woman at home So And say go if you want to post deep Look and read them because I you can put that on facebook at this point. I really don't care That's cool. We're good Um I'll read what I said. This was the post and say go you're just gonna post it. Yep. Sure. I'll post all of this Yep I said i'm trying to figure out why my ex pastor because I was calling him my ex pastor at the time because I'm not gonna claim a pastor that didn't help me right or do anything So I said i'm trying to figure out why my ex pastor is on my instagram calling Beyonce at home my DMs Where was this energy when I needed help from you the misogyny? Okay, the misogyny is jumping out and I tagged the ex ministries um my cousin chi had reposted it on her page And then um kind of said a lot of my family members off because my family knew what I was going through and how he how he just did not Uh how he just did not do anything So my my my uncle was on there asking if he needs to come talk to talk to me or ask me for help um So one of my friends and I forgot her permission to say her name She didn't go to ABC. Her name is Danielle. She DMs uh pastor Lewis Trying to figure out what the heck is he doing? um Let's see because I have everything here Let me just put it in order real quick and so Here's a message one message and I'm gonna read that say go you can post all of these as well. Okay You can post everything that you have Real talk. Yeah So he says He says someone tagged sent the video beyond say dancing and I sent hope Because the way she was dancing was sexual and I didn't want to see it Had no idea whose account this is he's lying because it's mine Um or who your family member is again. He's lying because he knows who he sent the message to Folks send me stuff all the time and I comment ask for blocking to cover tracks. I have no idea So remember he said for blocking to cover tracks. I have no idea. Just keep that in mind Um, so my friend Danielle asked But why would you say hoe in the first place? What business of that is yours and to be frank that's beyond judgmental and craft descriptions of something especially from a man of faith like yourself It would get pending Christians and people of faith the wrong idea If you proclaim to know the lord his love and his ways to spout out such harmful And hurt for words He then responds and says I saw her dancing sexually and the video was not even her dancing. She was singing um I saw her dancing sexually Usually foul language. I'm 50 years old in my book That's what we call it when a woman shows her body and sexually entices me for money and ticket sales She is a high dollar prostitute, but since it was a private message. I just said hoe for short Jesus called people names. I'm sorry. Wow. Wow He said Jesus called people names in the bible. He called them snakes, vibrates, foxes, dogs You should be asking why won't Beyonce put on clothes and stop singing about sex Worse being the devil and dancing slutty Okay And then my friend Danielle says again Beyonce and her profession does not directly affect me I take issue with the proclaiming of God who has reached so many people Spouting his judgment in unclassy sexist rude and uncivilized way You can disagree with her business, but do so in a way that shows God's love So he said he didn't says it's all good. We don't have to agree, but I wish to know harm on you Guys or the people cussing me out. I have a cousin named Amber who's crazy. So if she doesn't really play about me So she probably wasn't his DMs cussing him out. I she she's not I you know I can't control my family and how they wanted to fit me. So Sorry Then he goes on to say the reason the lie was blocked was because she was in litigation with the police and authorities We do not get involved with domestic disputes that involved the police We let the authorities handle it We are instructed by law to not get involved in those types of disputes between husbands and wives I'll be praying for all you guys. Bless you So say go I'm here to remember Remember in the first fish He didn't he didn't know what Right, he didn't know what by blocks. Right. He said she was blocked But now I was like because I was in litigation with the police who you told me to contact exactly Exactly more confusion Let me let me let me add this one point also as well because He did a he did a sermon or a true church perspective About you and the incident subliminally that same week. Yeah, that same week That same week, you know, and that's what he does he throw these little sub shots in his so-called sermons and About people and so those who are not aware They won't know but those who do know know that he's talking about People and so he mentioned he mentioned or in a subliminal way mentioned the incident And you without mentioning your name, but people who know about it knew it was you and uh, and you can also talk about if you want the conversation with Between you and jay brine as well regarding that same incident as well. Oh, he's next jay brine. All right, let's get it He is next on down the line on deck, you know after we you know, we just exposed the lie that he told them Um before I get into jay brine Kayla black or whatever whoever whatever your married name is again She called me and anisa bitter on instant on facebook because of postiness And i'm trying to find that right now anisa, you know exactly what What i'm talking about you see don't think I have it but so She she inserted herself to the conversation And camille you have no idea what I went through with my ex-husband neither did you care To call and ask what happened to me, but I I always have I was trying to call and ask what happened to you You know, we got hit by a car and you're both your bike broke So don't ever in your life call me messy. Don't ever in your life call me bitter without asking me You know, how am I doing? You know That's it for her Jay brine So when I did um, so I did when I did post this So when I did post this um all of All of the all the pastors Hinchman as I called them started trying to add me on facebook out of nowhere um jay brine delvin his his husband uh I can't remember the other two names. I think it was mark but Jay brine felt the need to give me a definition lesson of what the definition of ho was So let me just pull that up right now Let's see and I Again, all of these people are so quick to defend This man because of a post But don't even nobody cared about what happened to me. Right That's making sense. So jay brine never reached out to you regarding what happened either No, because I don't think anybody in the church Uh church knew I don't think he told anybody but you want to sublimin go on here and subliminately preach about me Right, but not tell the full story. Right, but we'll we'll get to that. Okay. Um Jay brine jay brine johnson came into my messages on facebook And this is what he said I think we both can agree that context is very important when any story or information is being told If I'm wrong in my understanding of you still being a believer didn't okay But until then I would approach this differently as a believer meaning Why would you get a dm for your ex pastor? You wouldn't why not find out what's going on first? He said that post has your family and friends excited for no reason laughing laughing emojis First the meaning of ho is one who sells their body for money. That's fiance Uh see Used to Used to follow this pastor that all of a sudden isn't someone you support That's fine, but to attempt to stir a controversy over a mistake Now y'all say being a ho unfortunately, that's true, but the dm was a mistake. That's not cool j So y'all are you're defending this man who's calling another woman out of her name And y'all supposed to be christians I didn't even I didn't even respond today because I was just like I don't What you that that wasn't That wasn't needed. You just wanted to earn some more points with craig And hopefully he saw you so you showed these to him too. It gave you a pat on the back. Good job So Let me see where I am. So You know all of that happened Um anything say go. Yeah, I'll get into the next part. Yeah, so so Incorrect me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that when there are issues going on that Jay bryan seems to be the quote-unquote. I guess you can say the the the spokesman for craig You know, if he sees people on on social media Saying something or That he doesn't seem to be appropriate or he may seem that he has to have a Satan he seems to be the one that wants to be the be the speaker for for craig kind of like his pr I mean, I guess I I don't I don't know like he he just poked his nose into my dms. I'm like, I'm I don't understand but Yeah, he has too much time on his hands really Y'all's for to to be defending this man and y'all don't know what the heck is going on. Right It seems like people try to please pass the luke's more than they try to please god. It doesn't make sense So what was your what was your mean while you were there, you know, you mentioned about their view about no divorce Who was the one that told you that that the church doesn't believe in and it does not believe in divorce Say that against they go you went out. I'll say who was the person at the church that you have spoke with that said that they do not believe in divorce The person that the person that reiterated to me was miss Amy, but that's something that pastor preached about all the time Okay, so he believes Say it again. He does not what he doesn't say it again. He doesn't what Huh, he said say it again. He doesn't what? If you get a divorce, you y'all can't stay here Why because he didn't want it to affect Membership or something about the kids And y'all in these comments y'all can correct me if i'm wrong But that's I remember him saying that So he puts yeah He puts people out the church because they got so let me put it this way So if your husband since your husband abused you physically abused you You would be the innocent party of the of the abuse. You're not the abuser. You are the abused So you're saying that he would put he would put both parties out because They got divorced but correct me if I'm wrong What happened to your ex-husband in light of Your divorcing him Where is he at now? He's still at the church What church? He's still at abc The church that you were My ex-husband the one that abused me went to jail I was told that I can't come back or I was told that they would let me know when I can come back But they let him back And I don't know how long he's been back So it's like what the heck this what kind of a church is this? So you're you're put out so you're you're you're put out the church, right? So you're basically as communicated without being charged with the sin Yes So let me let's so hold your finger hold your point right there because I want to read something I want to read some for the for the for the audience, okay And take a swig of your tea. Why you why you doing that? Okay Matthew 18 Matthew 18 this is the passage that churches are to Employ and are to apply when there are issues of clear unrepentant sin Matthew 18 verse 15 And if your brother sins Go and reprove him in private if he listens to you you have one your brother. That's step one Step two verse 16 But if he does not listen to you take one or two more with you so that by the mouth of two or three witnesses Every fact may be confirmed. That's step two step three And if he refuses to listen to them tell it to the church And if he refuses to listen to even the church Let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax gatherer so My question sister is this you're telling me that you basically were kicked out of the church for something you did not do Based on your story and based on your testimony and based on your experience your husband sinned against you by by verbally abusing you by physically abusing you By spiritually abusing you You try to bring it to your husband's attention That what he's doing is wrong. You went to the church got witnesses So you you went to step one two and three They failed in step two and three But treated you like you were the one in unrepentant sin and applied step three to you And is that the correct conclusion that i'm drawing from your situation so far I'm at the church. He's still there. So yeah so How can we call? ABC a biblical church when they treat those that are still in unrepentant sin As though they didn't sin and treating those who didn't sin as those Who are in sin? We don't that's not a church. Okay You can go ahead continue Just wanted to put that out there because this whole issue that i've that i've noticed you're not the only one Delilah that have been told to Leave the church for a while. I don't see that in scripture. I don't I don't see in scripture where where God's people his sheep That are looking for solace and safety and refuge Are told to leave the place where they're supposed to be Fed nourished and helped from Until further notice, but you still have the offender. You still have the violator still Participating and still enjoying the benefits and the quote-unquote blessings of that. I just don't understand how that is Is justified and how that was going on for so long well I think a little bit after the whole Beyonce incident that was back in september My ex-husband actually called me around this time last year. I can't remember if it was november or december But me and him had a conversation He finally apologized for what he did and his actions And I forgave him at that point because you know, there's no reason to hold on to it And and you know, I forget for myself I don't forget for the people but I was not going back to him because of the actions he portrayed of You know turning my phone all this controlling stuff. I'm not for that. Right, right So, you know, I was like, you know, chris I don't want to say his name. That's fine. That's fine But I was like, you know, I forgive you and you know, we kind of joked on the phone and everything was cool And then he told me this he said, um, I'll have to let pastor lewis know that I spoke to you and that, um, you know Did we talk and I was like, um I was like, you're gonna tell you still talk to pastor lewis. He's like, well, yeah, I still go to the church That's when I found out I found out from him himself. Okay So I was like, I asked and I was like why why What like you're still at the church? And then it kind of made me go back into the spiral because I'm like, okay So the girls who I was friends with All of y'all y'all see this man on sunday without me and y'all still having called me But y'all are just gonna y'all just gonna walk around that church like like nothing ever happened Like he just was not married to me a year ago I that's what that's that's where the that's where the anger and the confusion comes from And nobody wants to reach out and say anything to me. It's just like it's like I never happen Is there is there is there some type of like is there are there clicks or some type of code of silence that they have when when things go on at the church there Here's what I mean by that like like your situation Are they told not to get involved In in situations like this not not to call you not to come alongside to you know to uh To help you I have no idea because whenever someone was going through something. I know I had a friend I know had a friend and her husband a laundry and josh They have they went through something in their marriage and you know We all got into a car and went over there and because she was about to leave him So they we we all helped them helped her with that time So I was trying to figure out what was all of this the energy for me You know, I know I understand that people have things going on in their marriages and in their personal lives But like a call a text, you know anything would have Something something would have been Needed like I I got absolutely nothing. Yeah So I got absolutely nothing Y'all see this man every sunday. Right, right, right, especially my friends who I told that he's he's physically abused me and y'all don't reach out and say Y'all don't reach out and say, you know, he's still here. How are you doing? How are you? How are you doing? You know, right? It's like once once I once I was able to come back. I was just forgotten and they just moved on like everything's fine You're right, which is unfortunate What was your experience with the women there? I mean, it's like what Were you a part of any ministries there and if so, what were they what were they about? What were they like? You know, um, I know somebody mentioned about 31 I wasn't really part of any there wasn't really any ministries there Like either you sang in the choir, which you have me handpicked by George to do so Uh, mostly I volunteered a lot so we they had, um ABC date nights, so You know couples who who have moved from out of state that don't have family here and have kids that they want to have a night to themselves You can bring your kids to the church and I love I love children. So, you know, I would happily volunteer and You know hang out with the women there But you know, there was like a there was like a home school wife If you home school with your children, you know, they were more tightly together Which was nothing wrong with that because they were never me the women were never, you know, to me never seemed It was clickish, but it wasn't um malicious. Okay What was the attitude as far as what was the attitude as far as women do you I mean It seems it seems like craig has an issue with women Uh, uh And it seems that to to carry over and how men there treat their women Um, this this whole attitude of subservience. Um, I had mentioned about, you know, even with, uh With the with the Cowboys game, uh, how the men at ABC They're allowed to watch the game at the church but not the women Uh, unless they unless they're serving unless they're serving the the men there if you can Yeah, because I because I remember I was like, um I remember, um Because we would always say like all right y'all ladies, what are we going to do while the men are watching football? Like who's whose apartment we're going to hang out at? Um So it was just like yeah It was a men's thing, but I'm trying to I'm trying to get my thought back on track because I want to get into The joke of p 31 go right ahead go ahead So when I first started going to the church, you know I'm a new christian. I'm a new baby christ and I want to learn the word so, uh No one's in my first p 31 meeting I think I think they were holding something like a something for mr. Beta. So like the next one after that because they had them every Thursday So the next Thursday the next p 31 meeting I went to, um Mr. Beta was like, I know a lot of women have Talked about how we don't read our bibles here. You know, that's not what this is for This is for us to be this is for us to teach y'all how to be Women and wives So some p 31 days we would learn to clip coupons One day we learned to put on makeup one p 31 meeting was about How to set a table or have fancy glassware for entertaining guests Um every once a year once a year the pastor would come in and He would do a q&a So we would be able to write down an anonymous question and he would read it out loud and answer um He would only answer the questions He would only um, he would only answer the questions that he wanted to answer So, you know, if it was a marriage question, he would answer dad But I would specifically be asking how to deal with a very angry husband He you know, he would read it and he's like, I don't want to answer that He said he would not want he didn't want to answer that question. He's like, I don't want to I don't want to answer this Why why why not? I mean, you know, he doesn't he never explains himself. He just I don't answer that everybody's like, okay you don't have to answer you know, it's like People are there so are so desperate for his for his I don't know what they want from that man So people are asking questions in a q&a that he he knows Questions are going to be raised to him, but he chooses not to answer questions Because he does not just he doesn't want to answer it. He just don't just so I won't do He's like, I'm not gonna answer that one. He would say he would I would say this if it was a question That he didn't want to answer if he would tell that person after he got the question to email him But he would never respond. I've emailed that man so many times Because then it wasn't even like it wasn't even like things about my mom I mean, it wasn't even things about my ex-husband. It was sometimes just things about my mom Because me and my mom never didn't really have a good relationship. We have a great relationship now. Love my mom Yeah, so it's just like how can I bring my mom? How can I bring my mom to the faith? How can I, you know, do this and that, but he would never respond But I understand Take your time. Pete's some p 31 cities. So these women they weren't talking about Pete's some p 31 cities. So these women they weren't taught the bible. So why are they called? Why are they called Proverbs 31 women? Basically for the white part, you know, Pastor Lewis always said you please god by pleasing your husband. So That's what he said Oh, he said it all the time y'all can put in the comments. Yeah, I know he said that You please god by pleasing your husband You please god by pleasing your husband. So so so the blessing as a woman Comes through You pleasing your husband not by being obedient to god and your husband gets the the You know the uh, the blessing from that he says he says by pleasing god you Please your husband Yeah You should know, you know all this stuff So and and I guess my I guess my my concern about Just that statement of itself His elders never pulled him to the side and said, you know, brother You know, maybe that that can come off as as a slavish It can come off as abusive I mean Who is he accountable to who who is he accountable to? He I mean He would say that he has men in his life that that hold him accountable, but I mean Who we I mean, we never know. We never knew who it was So so he has these elders, right? I mean, how many elders does he have at this church? I know this elder kin He made julien the first deacon. You know, I have one deacon I think um elder Trent with the glasses Isn't So those are I could think of He made jay brian something I can't remember. I can't what he made jay brian um This this I guess is A question that I have then because I'm trying to his cousin So he has no accountability then I guess He has no accountability at the church. So he's the head guy Yeah, if anything if anything's happened go to pastor this happened go to pastor. Is this faster? So then so why have elders if he believes he's above elders when the elders and the pastors are both synonymous And I guess and I guess I need to make this clear Because that's one of That's one of the that's one of the reasons why cults You know exists because when you have one person at the top And and this whole hierarchical structure where there's one there's one main guy and then there's elders Instead of having pastors and elders on the same level because they share equal authority then This is why people like g craig Lewis is able to do what he does and is able to say the things that he says Because there's no accountability Yeah, I mean There was one time that he preached about How women were supposed to give themselves sexually to their husbands What do you mean? What did she say she said she said that p 31 You know, she said if you if he your husband's made you mad and you're crying and you're laying in the bed And you sniffling and he grabbed your boo you gotta you gotta give it up That's what she said That's what she said. Wow She said that Can can I can I read something real quick from a book that may help some people? Regarding that statement if you just made it This book is called. Yeah, this book is called not under bondage. Okay. Hope you can see it This book is called not under bondage. Okay, and the lady named the lady's name The author name is Barbara Roberts and I want to read just just briefly just for a moment Because I want this to be on the air and I want this to be recorded on tape sexual abuse to ignore When a partner says no to attempt to force a partner to do something that they feel morally obliged to do to avoid rather Or uncomfortable doing is sexual abuse This includes cases where the partner is too afraid to say no or unable to give consent Rape is a crime within marriage Some abusers expect sexual willingness immediately after an incident of abuse or violence Some indulge in suggestive behavior that they know the other person Just like some men are addicted to pornography and masturbation But as a result of it either deprive their wives of sex or want to play out Pornographic scenarios on their wife Some women treat sex as a bartering tool to get their way into something else if you do this I'll reward you tonight in quote an abuser Who reads the bible may insist that a wife is only allowed to refuse sex Unless the husband and wife are both praying and fasting He may claim that since Hebrews 13 4 says the marriage bed is under filed He is entitled to demand anal intercourse or other debasing or unnatural practices The bible teaches that the sexual relationship between a married couple should be One of mutual giving there should be Reciprocal generosity each partner rendering the affection due or owed to the other partner That should be also reciprocal authority each partner having authority over the person's body Balancing these principles we see that it is up to each partner to give pleasure not to take it Sometimes a victim believes that because her husband has authority over her body She must make herself and this is what is lining up what you said earlier. Just a minute ago. Delilah Sometimes a victim believes that because her husband has authority over her body She must make herself sexually available whenever her husband demands it This is a form of prostitution and breeze disrespect in both spouses It is also biblically unsound because just as a husband has authority over his wife's body The wife has authority over her husband's body. This means She can sometimes ask or tell his body not to do certain things to hers The exercise of this provision should not be undertaken from selfishness It means being sensitive to your partner's situation Even as you are acutely aware of your own needs or lack thereof In quote I guess that would never be read or be taught I mean has first written seven three to five ever been taught. I mean has even philippians, you know, two about you know, considering others More important than yourselves. I mean Yes, that's never been taught either I mean, it's been It's been taught but Biblically taught Biblically taught No, not biblically taught because if it was biblically taught you wouldn't you wouldn't even as mr. Bather she she wouldn't but she wouldn't got up and say something like that Just this is uh, I mean And i'm sitting here in your story What do you say to people that you know, and I know you saw comments earlier, you know before even Came out to to to go public with this People who would doubt your your your experience or people who would say Why did you stay so long? I mean, what were you getting from the church that you're not getting now? What say it again say you went out. Okay. I said, what would you say to people who made doubt or question? You know your motives on on on why you're speaking out about it now Like you mentioned about being accused of being bitter Um, or why did you leave? You know when you first saw these signs of abuse what took you so long? What what took me so long to leave To leave max husband. Yes and the church Well, I mean it was I I it was in my choice to leave the church. They made that choice for me What what happened was a physical abuse was my breaking point I was not about to stay in in any situation when someone was putting their hands on me Physically, okay. God did not call me to a life of bondage He called me to of abundance and freedom. I felt scared in my marriage I felt like I couldn't be myself in my marriage I I felt like I was losing my mind. This man used to call my mom retarded He used to talk down on my family. He used to say terrible things about my uncle And I would bring all of this before I tried to bring it to pastor But I would definitely tell the beta and it's funny because when I told Mr. Baker that he did this She wasn't even shocked Because she just was like I did remember you telling me he was he was Talking to you this type of a way. This is so sad But now, you know, you have this Amy calling me talking about we don't believe in divorce here Miss Amy your divorce you you you you were remarried to pastor Ken to elder Ken and y'all in that church So why are y'all there? He has favorites Has favorites, okay. He has favorites so What would you say to to Craig to jay brine to, you know, the elders? In light of in other words Why are you coming out now because you know that they're watching this video? You know that they're watching this interview This is why we set it up to be later this evening because you know the cowboys gonna be on And I wanted to make sure that they heard everything that you said and I believe also the reason why this is because We started late because he's definitely difficult This because we wanted to make sure Godness probably did that everybody that wanted to be a part of listen to this Can hear your testimony hear what you have to say and even hear and see the receipts that you produced What would be what would be your you know your your your comments or your your thoughts about these people? questioning and downing your testimony I mean, what what is there to doubt? What is there to question? because It's not like uh, it's not like I was benefiting from I like I was benefiting from the church But it wasn't like some type of money gain or type. I was just genuinely a member I genuinely went to the church wanted to be Wanted to just be in a be involved in the church, you know I had no problem with serving in the church. I love I loved what I did So it's like what what is there to poke holes there? What what would I be lying about? You know, I showed y'all the police report. I showed y'all the protective order I showed y'all every type of evidence that I need and I there's nothing that I want from g-curriculous Except an explanation What you probably never get I probably never get it But at this point who cares because I don't want to go back to that church cultist church any And why do you call it a cult? Because of the way people think like you're first I just it's just so much like It's just so much I think it's a cult because they have one person who is the head over everything and everybody needs to report to him or tell tell to him And he's not accountable for anybody because and then I don't I don't think He kept this this this whole situation of me quiet But I don't think the elders care because y'all like I said my ex-husband is still there walking around Every sunday and y'all are I'm not there y'all know who I am Because y'all they knew me before they even knew who he was Like I usually go to this man's house So not even the fact that you knew me before you knew my ex-husband played any type of of An effector for you and I really don't think he likes women You know, I can count I can count on I can count on how many hands I was called jessie bell in my marriage And you say you don't like women because you called you jessie call other women jessies that you know Not that I know but he's preaches it a lot in his sermons You know if if your woman is running around doing this and that and clamor she's she's jessie jessie hate he's always talking about how jessie doesn't like him because he's He stands up to jessie. I'm like no you don't you're a coward you said you told me that Of the whole Beyonce said you that It was an accident that you sent the DM to me. So Like come on sir, you told us the fbi came to your house and you were a little because you hacked into stuff You know how to use instagram And whether it was a mistake or not all you have to do was say my bad like he does not He doesn't apologize For anything. So he calls his he you know, he calls his mother jessie You ever you heard that before you know that you ever know that he called his own mother jessie before Yeah, because he believed his mother. He believed his mother was jessie, you know Controlling his father who he couldn't stand either. He couldn't stand his own father So I guess it's funny to me in a in a sad way that he talks about creation roles He talks about male leadership and female submission to male leadership and all this other kind of stuff When his own childhood and his own family, he had no respect for You know, so so the very the very first command with promise honor thy father and mother so that thy days may be long upon the earth He didn't even do that calling your mother jessie and then having having the disdain And the despising attitude towards your own father But yet you want to be someone else a spiritual father It's very hypocritical to To say the least Think he's trying to give himself he's trying to I don't know. Maybe he's trying to be the father that he always wanted, but he's still not doing a good job at it And I guess that's the sad thing about it is because again, how do you How can you teach someone to do what you're not even doing yourself? I mean you you have no authority you you lack power uh, when you're trying to Make people be something that god has not created and be so you know the the the jessie comments. I've talked to people Even men who were insulted because they were single Calling them trash and calling them garbage, but but but here's the question. Um Land in this single is he not his son? If he's no longer dated from when I was there I can only speak on when I was there Right when I was there Well, yeah, when I was there. He was dating tita's daughter But I remember one time we were at his house and it was it was before this is before I had gotten married And he we were he was we were just all in the kitchen It was me him sabata and like all the people that used to hang out with toksha korea jean Landon me And made somebody else jonathan in the background He we were just joking was like who who's next to get married and I was like linden And he said he passed a little said land and see young So I guess it's it's at a certain age. He wants you to get married so It sounded like he had some issues that have not been resolved and I guess my question then to you is You know What made you decide to speak out? What made you decide even to have this conversation with me? Well, I mean for a long time I just wanted to make I was gonna make a youtube video Just mainly talking about what I went through in a church You know all the abuse and being neglected by the church, but it seemed like I would want to do it But it was never the right time And god was always like not not right now not right now You'll get a chance to you'll get a chance to say what you need to say and move on from it And even when I first saw you on facebook moses had showed me your page And I was like, oh, I don't want it. I was like, uh, I don't want to get back into this right now I don't I didn't even want to I didn't even want to start focusing on this again but You know as as I went on and I just remember what happened. I was like no, I'm about to say this I'm about to get on here and and Tell people what happened because if you're in that church right now if you go to abc right now, you know me You know who I am and you You still see my ex-husband going around but you did not reach out to me. This is what happened You know, they kept the abuse of person there And they they shunned me so I'm sitting on here as a living testimony It was like you can't live outside of abc It's not the only church in the world my spiritual life with god got better once I was out of that church And I healed and I was healing properly You know just and you know, all of this was back in 2017 17 I hadn't set foot in a church since 2017 since abc Uh this past january I started listening to the pastor michael todd of transformation church And he is the pastor that really brought me fully back to the faith because even when I was you know Kind of away from me. You know how god tells in your heart Trying to get you to come back and saying like come back to me come back to me And it was like man, I'm done. Like I would just all that all of that would come back into my head of what happens to me. Yeah So, um, I don't know who sent me a link. Um He had a series on his youtube channel called relationship goals And I listened to one and he was talking about divorced people And I'm just like, oh my god. Here we go. He's gonna talk about how I'm condemned and how I'm this this and that And his message was so full of love And talking about just so full of grace and how there's still a future and god can still use you and has a plan for your life Yeah, that I continued to listen to the rest of his messages He was the first pastor that they believed that believed in Kanye West's solid Paul conversion He is the first pastor that I listened to that, um They just preached so much about love and other people regardless of what state they were in in the world You know, because he would always he's the pastor that taught me Jesus will lead the 99 to go pick that lost sheep Whether it's where it's Beyonce whether it's a celebrity whether it's me So I get on this live to any woman in that church That's going to do any type of abuse and say there is there is something else out there for you You do not have to live in bondage. You do not have to live your life's afraid That you may do something small and take this man off and he punches you in the face or chokes you You don't have to live that way and you are not Hell, you're not accountable your actions are not accountable to this man. G crept luis. You're accountable to god He is the one that could set you free and save you and heal you It's not this church. It's not this building and it's not these loveless people in the church as well But there is life outside of apc. Yeah Yeah, there are but the thing is pastor luis makes it seem like there's something wrong with every other pastor there You know, he's always talking about tdj's. He's always talking about kurt franklin. He's always calling somebody gay He's always talking down on homosexual people. Yes homosexuality is a sin But god will still accept you. He wants your heart You don't have to change your behavior before you come to christ. He just wants your heart He just wants you to tell him lord I need you coming to my life and then god is like that's all I need That's all I need. I just need a heart this after me. Amen. And then I'll change your habits. Amen. Come on Come on. It doesn't take all of this You have to be a wife. You have to be you can't be single. You don't have to You know, you have to please god to please your husband. You please god by being obedient to his word Amen Period that's that is yeah, yeah, you you've uh, I guess How do you feel now? Are you? Are you free? I mean, have you have you really truly now experience freedom? You know in your in your life and in your walking. I know you mentioned about being the church that you are now, you know If you if if you had a person that was just like yourself um How would you minister to them and I'm glad you gave the gospel because that's one thing I don't hear Craig ever mentioned is is is giving people When he when he preaches those messages and he'll summary at the end I can't remember and y'all can correct me if I'm wrong. I can't remember not one time He's ever asked someone he's ever asked people to Accept christ into their lives I can't remember. I don't I don't know y'all can correct my wrong. I could be wrong, but I personally don't remember but Um, what were you about to say? No, I'm just I was just no you but you just mentioned I mean because I'm talking about you know helping people be free um, yeah, like That's what the church is about like It's like abc was like, you know, you couldn't you couldn't have dreads. You couldn't have earrings in You couldn't have different crazy colored hair You can't be gay and come to the church And his excuse was we don't want the the the children to to see all the day and my thing is and in my thing I was I'm like, okay, what is what if What what what if someone walked in there with dreads you won't tell them to cut their hair off What if they're after it? What if they're seeking trying to seek help and this is the only refuge that they'll have You know, he said earrings were Uh People who were earrings were players. They carried a spirit of masculinity And I'm like, I know a lot of great men of god that were earrings and they're great husbands They're great men of god and it's just kind of like he wants everything to be in a box Right, so that you only listen to him and not go outside of that So you had mentioned about so so let's talk about this legalism thing for a second. That's actually what it is. So When I I'm reading first sentence fourth time I'm gonna read two passages of scripture because I want to lay I'm gonna lay some biblical foundation to what you're saying Because I don't people think oh she's giving her opinion You know He has a right to he has a right to to infuse people that they come in because it's his church Hold it right there because if that's your mentality that ABC if it's a true church Which based on the information we're getting will be highly questionable if anything But let's just say first just just to say that it is God's church, but Craig is making it his church by Instilling and installing and enforcing the rules that we don't see in scripture So I'm reading first Corinthians chapter 14 And we all know the passage of the scripture is dealing with tongues and things like that So that's not the point the point is that when paul mentions Order in the church He speaks about how those who come in he says If what happens if a person comes into the church Verse 23 if therefore the whole church should assemble therefore and all speaking tongues and ungifted or unbelievers. Here it is right there delilah unbelievers come in Will they not say that you are mad here's the implication the implication is the if clause Comes in it's meaning it's it's actually speaking in a third class condition meaning that they could be in this assembly They could not be but it's a possibility so paul says what if unbelievers come in Because we know that biblically speaking that the church is for believers but paul says what happens or what if the possibility Of unbelievers come in what if you did have a homosexual which automatically would be an unbeliever What if you had a person who's a prostitute which automatically would be unbeliever What if you had a person that's effeminate which would automatically be an unbeliever anybody We think that would fit the bill of an unbeliever a person who just does not accept christ. They come into the fellowship paul says how we govern ourselves and how we carry ourselves Gives evidence that god is in this place right So if that's the case if you're putting people out because Of appearance then roman chapter 15 verse 7 i'm going to read that as well too because see some people Unfortunately who will still attend abc? They don't understand what expository preaching and teaching is they don't understand what verse by verse Exposition of the text is because they don't get that and i'm not knocking i'm not jabbing them I'm just stating a fact i've talked to people delilah that said until they left abc They did not even know what expository preaching and teaching was they thought what they were getting at abc was preaching so roman chapter 15 verse 7 the bible says wherefore Accept one another just as christ also accepted us to the glory of god so My question is this delilah and i know you already know the answer but just for the sake of those who are watching support g craig and defend them to the death How do you biblically defend? How do you biblically defend first christians 14 23 and romans chapter 15 verse 7? What the bible says we're to accept one another now I can have a personal preference about earrings or whatever like that or dress or whatever like that But i can't bar the door of god's house because i didn't pay for it with my own blood Christ did right so why why is that being allowed? Why are why are these people? Allowed to do this and to shun people i've talked to people delilah i've talked to brothers who had earring And he said they met that man at the door and told me to take his earring out before he could come into the quote-unquote sanctuary Yeah, i don't know, you know What does that have to do with that person so? And they would do it they would do with the people who were just like first time visitors who did not know like He wants he wants his church to be run a certain way people to look a certain way Women to act a certain way And it's the it's when he gets up and preaches the it's the g craig lewis show He goes on these rants before he even starts preaching that don't make it into the true church perspective Basically how people are after him or people are coming against him You know, i'm still stuck on these drowning demons. I didn't know demons had lungs, you know Did y'all know demons had lungs? Well, maybe you can give him CPR when he get out of the water because you know He's supposed to save a life, right? So I mean, yeah, I didn't know that either But yeah his and let me say let me show something else with you about this whole baptism thing because this is now Now we're talking about his teaching, right? He said a lot of outlandish unbiblical unwarranted unfounded stuff Drowning demons when and for those who didn't who didn't notice He says this in his sermon called baptism You can pull it up on a true church perspective if it happens to disappear if it happens to get uh, hillary clintonized And you'll you'll get that one on your way home if you're not there yet Uh, I have a hard copy Of the of the sermon quote unquote sermon I have a hard copy because I know sometimes, you know, the wicked flea would normally pursue They'll try to scrub stuff off the off the way up to to hide their stuff. So he said when a Christian Gets baptized and goes under the water And when they come up out of the water those demons that were once on them Are drowned I'm not making it up. I know I'm about to see a whole bunch of emojis and a whole bunch of shocked faces on there That's what the man said. You can pull it up. I even share that on my facebook page Now he tried to use And I used to try very loosely he tried to use the the flood in Genesis As his biblical support he tried to use the story of the demoniac Of them being cast into the herd of pigs and the herd of pigs Going over the ravine and drowning themselves now the text gives it clearly that the that Themselves were the pigs not the demons because we know demons are Falling spirits. They're spirits. They don't have Heart they don't have lungs. They don't have breath. They're spirits. So that just Incorporate me from wrong now ladies and gentlemen those who watched it or heard it How did they get a pass? How did that get get by, you know, Delilah when when he says that and and this is a shocker You know, he doesn't really believe in baptism, right? It doesn't shock me even though he had a baptism service He he he does not believe in in baptism he believes that baptism is pagan now now So so we're saying that Jesus was a pagan because Jesus and Matthew three was baptized um I'm trying to understand. I'm just I'm trying to understand the kind of teaching that he has been getting away with Why has it gone unchecked? I think people are just really I really didn't people are just afraid of him Afraid of what a lot of the members move Just G. Craig Lewis. I'm like, he's a man I don't I have no idea why his teachings have gone unchecked Maybe people are too busy laughing at his jokes instead of trying to pay attention to what he's actually saying I agree and yelling off the top So I I cannot remember sermons From him One sermon, but yeah I don't know. I can't maybe if I looked at it like I don't know the only thing that stuck with me is how he talked about uh Different religions like Like uh cath Catholicism, you know, he's preached about that halloween But nothing to Grow as a believer in Christ. He more like as far as women, you know We don't have We're supposed to talk to God when we're cooking or when we're cleaning or when we're with the kids, you know So we've been told that you have been told that like He is very much against women pastors He's against any woman in power He so he's against women pastors, but he goes to his in-laws church in chicago who's A woman pastor. It's a it's a copaster. He goes to speak there. So how are you against something, but you have no problem I don't know Going there to I mean it's once the same way he preaches against social media, but you know, his daughter vicki is huge on youtube Are we talking about the booty meat girl? The what the one that talks about booty meat her booty facial talking about her vicki That was a very informative video, but yes You know You know You know, he goes he goes off on social media Talking about people sharing their lives and i'm like your daughter does does this for a living So, you know, why are you preaching against something that Your daughter is doing So I'll make you I guess you can do Come that make him a hypocrite them, right? Yeah, that'll make him a hypocrite So you think you think his you think his uh, his his true behind 13 hip hop 13 is gonna talk about his daughter You think what's the eyes of him talking about his daughter? Yeah, he's doing another one. Yeah, here's another hip hop coming out. Yeah Yep 13 get it hip hop is back talk about something else I mean preach the gospel Give people saves can't preach what you don't know Okay I mean You can't preach that what you don't know because if you knew it then you would preach it So this is why verse by verse exposition. This is why going through the word of god This is why this is why he doesn't have a doctrinal statement I was gonna ask about that. Have you ever seen a doctrinal statement at his church? Or what we believe these are the things we believe I mean you haven't seen anything in writing that you can go to say this is what our church believes about god about christ About the holy spirit about the you know sin satan salvation, you know gifts of the spirit I mean, have you have you seen any official, you know, he would always use like gifts of the spirits Gifts of the spirits to go along with what he wanted to say So he would justify him being hated on by other people walking in the desires their flesh So for example, he always would say somebody is after him He always would say with someone is out to get him because he's speaking he's speaking so much truth And I'm you know, it got to a point. I'm like sir All these people can't be after you doubt you doing something to them, you know because like You know, he always talks about he always talks about tdj's and how You know people from tdj's campus been tried has come after him to hurt him And I'm just like this passage out there to speak truth But aren't their lives aren't threatened Like there's And it's like why every sunday is there a new there's a new story about how someone left the church Wow, and why do you have to tell it? Right if they left let them leave, right? Right, exactly. You know, that's Exactly Anything else that you would like to share or that you would like to you know to Convey to to the people. I mean What we what would so so you talk to you talk to the women remember I had said at the beginning This is unprecedented what what you're doing because you're the first person You know delighted to speak out the very first person to speak out about something that a lot of members former and active How have and are experiencing so What would you like to see come out of this? What what what is your prayer? What is your goal? What is your desire? You know After this after this live is over I want any woman that said that church that's being abused um That's being abused by their husband to call the police How accountable to his actions because he's probably probably been getting away with it for a long time because He doesn't hold abusers accountable Because if you're going to let someone that abused me stay at the church, I could only imagine what you're doing with the other men Get go to the police what your husband is doing to you. It's not political. It's not right Those are the police hold them in accountable. Um Another thing I want people to what was the question How you know, what would you say to people that you know that are there? You know, how would you help people that are formally, you know that a former members there and active in that that that are that can attest and can Confirm what you're saying is true. You know, what do you want to see as a result of this? You know more people come out. I mean, what would you like to see god do as a result of this? Because I don't think this is going to be the last you I don't think you're going to be the last person to come out and speak up I would say like it shouldn't it shouldn't have been me coming out first as a woman come on There's too many me that George Craig Lewis has hurt who are so afraid of this man. That man is nothing to me. I'm not afraid of him He's just he's just a man. Right What can be new to me? I serve god I'm calling you if you if you're a man who was in that church who was you know abused by George Verbally or any type of way or he talked to your wife any type of way you need to come on here and put this man And tell your story and put this man in his face. He can't keep getting away with this You know You know, here I am 26 years old And I'm just on here telling my my testimony what happened to me free of myself of it So also other people get you free. Come on. You know, I don't know Who else is going to see this video years down the line? but You know, there's freedom in Christ. You don't need to be you don't need to be there and as a man You shouldn't be scared of another man. Didn't die for your sins Wow, I'm a Holder, I gotta I gotta write that one down I'ma go ahead and take that quote that you just mentioned them up go ahead and see if I get a little monetization on that You shouldn't what say it again. You shouldn't As a man, you should be afraid of another man that did not die for your sins Of another man And did not die for your sins Yeah, that'll preach right there. I should have your organ. Uh, yeah. Yeah, I listen We're joking a laugh about that part, but that is so true because I I said this before a couple weeks ago and even I think just recently A bully's fuel Is fear and intimidation That's it Yeah, you you take fear and intimidation from a bully. They don't have anything. They can't run up on you If there's no way in the world, let me tell you something a lot. I love my wife Been married to that woman for 19 years been doing it for 21. You hear me? I not only do I Wish but I wish A man would ever disrespect my wife Call her jessie insult her In my presence I don't listen anyone have to be in my presence. I don't I just have to even hear about it Uh, don't let this Bible fool you Because I'm willing to die for mine and I'm not gonna let anybody disrespect my wife at all I mean, I went to church one day and uh, I mean this had came out of church and went to church went to Albertson's My wife knows it. I mean she's probably gonna like, okay. Here you go. Get this again. Yeah Was walking in the store getting some meat and and no like no lie. Delilah I kept I was we was walking down a meadow And I kept seeing these two dudes You know walking behind us not not not really close, but as a man you can tell when somebody's like, you know Watching the web. So I my wife was walking around walking getting some food on and I turn around and stop I like, you know, I did the knowledge. What's up, you know And we kept walking So we go to the checkout line And I was like these same these and they were they were employees they worked there We go to the checkout line And dude walks up to the checkout line off to the side And starts clocking my wife and while my wife is checking out and the cash is checking her out I'm standing here looking like I said, dude, I said, hey, that's a man. Is there a problem? I'm like ice cream. Like is there a problem? I mean, is there a problem? He's like, no, no, no, I said, no, it is a problem So dude, you just followed me and my wife Always from the meat aisle up to the checkout aisle and you ain't got nothing in your hands, dog. What's up? So I say that because A real man is going to defend his wife's honor. There's something the matter of fact, the Bible even talks about jealousy enrages a man When his wife is violated. So I just can't understand How you as a woman of God, a young woman of God is able to have the boldness And the courage to speak up and to step out not just to step out, but you stepped out in faith Trusting and believing God to do something and look what he's doing now He's allowing you to be delivered. He has delivered you He's allowing you to share your life story with the world and to expose the deeds of the enemy through people who are being used by the enemy to do it. So My appeal would be to all men, especially those who are married What are you waiting for? Because like the sister just said You know what this man has been doing It shouldn't take a woman to defend other men It shouldn't it should never ever we're called as men to defend women You want to talk about creation roles? That's creation roles. I don't need my wife to protect me I'm supposed to protect her from any and everything So when you have when you have so-called pastors that are abusing the authority and and I and I heard about this one Delilah, he had this meeting with the men on a Wednesday. I think they do their Wednesday night heroes thing I'm not really sure gonna go there But but they had their Wednesday night meeting or whatever and he was telling the man This was in line of me doing these videos about him. He was telling the man that he needs that they need to go home to their wives And cover their wives and protect their wives from what they see on the internet No, what they need to do is go home and protect their wives from being around him Because every time you subject your wife and children to this kind of teaching all you're doing is eroding More and more of their self-worth more and more of their self-esteem more and more of their value in christ Because to call them or call a woman jessie to call a man weak and to try to play on both couples because you're being called out That's really weak That's weak He doesn't play his role as a pastor as a pastor you're supposed to Watch over your sheep You didn't do that for me because You shunned me and Kept the person that abused me there who's still there So if you ever watched this live I have no ill will towards you but into in my eyes. You're not a man of god for that The people at the church y'all have no love your loveless church the bible talks about y'all I have no ill work. I have no heart feelings or any anger towards anybody but Don't think god is going to keep accepting what you're doing to people and not do something about it. Amen That's why I said that's why I decided to speak up because at the end of the day Yeah, this happens to me, but it's not about In this world we can only we can only We can only Let me pull up the quote because I want to say this correctly sure and it It's a quote that's that's changed my life and so many different perspectives Come on pull up I got like four different iPads, right? One second no problem and it was by um It's by um A designer his name is jerry lorenzo. He has he does the uh fear guide clothing line Which is kind of like he's collaborative collaborated with like a lot of different brands, but he's he's a believer he attends He attends transformation church to the one that I listen to okay cool, but so They they asked him You know, what kind of footprint do you hope to leave in the world? And he says you can only leave what you give away At the end of the day, it's not about me So if I can give away my testimony and my freedom I can leave that behind for other people Amen Because it's not about me it's about other people being free from bondage and people and people just Being free from thinking there's there there's no coming back Yeah, because there's a one point in time where I didn't think I could come back I thought I could never get married again because I was the worst because of how he used to teach But I can amen Amen, you know, I I never thought that I would step back step foot back in the church again But I am now it's a process. It's hard because even at the church I'm at now. It's kind of like I'm reserved. Yeah, unfortunately, but God is building me up and I'm glad I was able to do this live in a safe place Because if it wasn't for you Seiko if I would have made a youtube video about this, I would have just got cussed out I probably would have just gotten shunned and called bitter again, but since there's so many Witnesses and people who can attest to what is going on in the church. I don't know problem speaking out because I'm not scared. Yeah so I'm a crazy guy. I mean, I you know, again, I and I told you this before this is not about me either. I mean People have questioned my motives and why I decided to speak out and why if I've gone hard against g craig and and and his church is because I saw And the lord has allowed me to see The damage that this man has caused to so many lives. I mean anytime you have people not just leave Their their their their home from one state and travel to another state across this country But when you have people leaving their place of home and their place of residence around the world Places like amsterdam places like london places like brazil Only to come to a place like abc To be in bondage and to be enslaved because they saw a troop behind hip hop video And that was the thing that got their attention and they wanted to you know And some of these people listen People are searching for truth, but they must know what genuine truth is And if there's no accountability, you know, I'm saying if there's no accountability If there's no checks and bounds, listen satan tells the truth sometimes, but he's still satan Yeah, you know I'm saying he's still a devil. He's still he's still doomed. He's still condemned He will be eternally destroyed one day, but just because you tell the truth once does not mean you're a man of truth period And a lot of people unfortunately a lot of people unfortunately for me When I saw the damage when I saw You know how people were treated when I saw how he came and attacked kanya west I mean and i'm sitting here and i'm saying well, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Why is it and people can attest to this Why is that when kanya does something or when somebody else does something they're not saved or They're easily targeted or easily attacked on social media But g craig lewis can say a lot of stuff and it's crickets from people like jay brine It's crickets like people from people like clementine sosa It's crickets from people like robin morrell jr It's crickets from a lot of these so-called men That know it or profess to know their bibles But you can tell they don't because they don't have a biblical defense for the crap that g craig lewis That did you create lewis spills? He spills so For me, I had to speak out on it because his influence In certain circles particularly in the black community It's pervasive right especially among young people because he said it in the sermon one day That his charge is made up of mostly young people. Listen. That's dangerous if you don't understand your word That's dangerous So he don't really have any old heads there You have a whole bunch of young people who don't know their bibles and since they don't bring their bibles in games from ron Another lala if they don't even bring their bibles to church Then how would they know? And be a brin to know what what g craig lewis is saying is true They I guess they just don't He used to you know He used to print out his messages and pass them around but he put an end to that once he found out that someone was Taking the papers and having their own bible study and he shut that down don't know why you know because You get the message he preached he says some marine And that's really it But I feel like I really feel like Because I you know, I'm blocked from his ministry. So I can't really see what's going on. I know that I care, but He's so big on this whole Kanye thing is because Kanye's been his main go-to about hip-hop, right? So he got to keep him on say it's your trigger now that your main Money cow is is saved and professing Jesus is lord, which if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is lord Right. You're saved. You're saved And then and even with this whole Sunday servicing you cannot be around an atmosphere that's uplifted christ and not Get convicted and spills some type of way and come to christ. You just can't do that unless you just Unless your heart is just cold, you know, yeah, and it's like when they when when did you get so high and mighty g craig? That you can tell people who save and who's not they like they have to go through something and prove to you right, it's like I said he acts like He acts like if he doesn't approve of it, it doesn't happen. Right and that's true and it's like It's like Kanye West has I remember listening to Kanye West Jesus walks when I was little And I'm not gonna be on Kanye for a long time because he's just like at the end of the day Jesus died for everybody Everybody You know, he's so been on calling Kim Kardashian a whore calling all these looking whores, right And but in your sermons you used to preach about like the women at the church Like he's like y'all used to be whores once but now you're saying I'm like, okay The same thing can happen for anybody else, right But since you put these people in your videos You can't be out here preaching That they can be saved too because it would kind of make your truth behind hip hop videos kind of like well Okay, yes hip hop is bad Next, right What else you got exactly what else you got? Yeah, what else what else is there right teach us the word teach us about How to go through physical abuse or something that would be meaningful or help the people in your congregation Get through tough times if they have The fact that you wanted us to go through premarital counseling, but you can't offer counseling What doing a hard time that I don't I don't understand that yeah I was told also now and I had I said I excuse me. I even have text messages from other from other people Uh that sought counseling from g creg and he refuses to do to counseling. I'm talking about people who are who are being abused Him and his wife's debate that have told Couples or told people who are being abused that I know They don't they don't want to get involved in that How do you tell a person listen? I got the text messages and I'm gonna tell y'all something right now In due time I'm going to reveal that and I'm going to reveal the abuser of those text messages that were given to me as well The issue that I have is how do you claim to be a under shepherd A person that you claim god has called you to feed to lead and to protect god's sheep And you won't do that when his sheep are attacked from With in so if you can't do it from within I know they don't have a snowballs chance in hell of it being done without because People are crying and asking for counsel And they're going to the very place that they thought They would get spiritual direction and nourishment and guidance and love and care and they don't so your story Delilah is not the only story That's out there and I'm talking about in abc I know people right now At abc who are being abused by their so-called weak spineless punk husband So now I'm calling them punks because a real man doesn't abuse a woman At all I've never grown up seeing my dad hit my mom or or anybody like that so You know And I I have to get off here shortly because I have to go at the piece of word. No, absolutely. Absolutely But I want to I want to leave I just want to leave with this since I want to say thank you for letting me just be able to get on here and tell My story if anybody caught this live late because I saw a lot of questions about the Beyonce incident Just go back and watch it I've answered all the questions and honestly, I've never felt freer in my life. Amen. Praise god You know the pastor that I listened to go tie. He said this was the year of release And this is honestly the like really something that I needed to release and get out there So now I've let it go and I'm free And I want everybody else to be free the man I'm challenging you to stop being afraid of this man and get on this live too and tell your story So other people can be free. There's nothing to be afraid of. He can't harm you. Amen. Amen Sister, thank you. Thank you so much You know, we're gonna keep in contact. This is not by accident that we uh, that a lot a lot I passed across You know anything I can do to help I you know, I'm here Need to get you connected to my wife as well because uh, you know, she's definitely, you know able to To minister to the to the needs and women by God's grace as well. So I'm gonna Let you reach out to her and have you connect with her, you know on on facebook as well too if you haven't done that I have not done that yet, but sister. Thank you again I really I really mean that thank you so much for just for your bonus and uh, I pray that you know, this will go Further than what we have imagined and will even dream of so appreciate your sister All right y'all All right, we're gonna wrap it up. We out of here. You guys have a great Day, I'm going to inbox. I'm gonna send these links To the to the text message that the lala has sent on the live If you have any questions, you want to reach out to me email me seiko woods s a i k o Woods with an s at yahoo.com. This would be posted on my youtube channel for everyone to share on their page All right, let's support each other. Let's pray for each other and until next time Y'all know the drill. Whatever you do do out to the ground. I'm god. God bless