 So how are we gonna do this? I know we need we're trying to make it 20 minutes But again, let's make it 20 minutes if it's 20 minutes. I broke it down to five videos It's about seven questions when we start getting into this. It's gonna be it's gonna be tough not to Dig in because there's so many things where she's it's suggesting. She's being deceitful there We what do y'all think up front? We need to say look We just chose something like light-hearted because of all the heavy stuff So we could still teach you about body language, but not be on such a serious topic And what I'll do is when we introduce ourselves then Greg when it comes back to me that I'll throw it back to you and say Greg Don't you explain what we're I'm okay with that. Great. Everybody ready? Yeah There we go I'm Scott Rass my body language expert and analyst I train law enforcement the military and interrogation body language I'm also a keynote speaker and I'm focused right now in the healthcare sector chase Hi, I'm Chase Hughes. I retired from the US military and now develop programs and teach Interrogation behavior profiling and I am a trial consultant here in the United States work Hi there, I'm Mark Bowden. I'm an expert in human behavior and body language Helping people all over the world to stand out wind trust gain credibility every time they speak including some leaders of the G7 Excellent great. I'm Greg Hartley. I'm a former army interrogator and interrogation resistance instructor I've written 10 books on body language and behavior including how to spot a liar Which would be handy today and I work primarily in corporate America and Wall Street Excellent, so Greg why don't you explain what we're doing in this episode? Yeah So today we thought we would take a break from all this heavy stuff and go to something more lighthearted still an opportunity to teach You how to tell when someone is deceiving you and so we chose this time to look at someone who's abducted by aliens We thought it'd be a great story All right, let's get started Before I sat down with Jane she voluntarily sat a lie detector test or polygraph She underwent this test three times Have you been part of an alien breeding program? Yes There are three important questions. Did you meet an alien? Do you have part alien children? Have you been part of an alien breeding program? No deception was indicated So as I would expect Alrighty Who wants to go first? Greg Yeah Polygraphs anyway you a polygraph as good as the person who's actually administering it They're really interrogators with props and we'll all talk about that when I'm sure today, but she's sitting there braced Ready for whatever he's going to ask her flutter of her eyelids as she starts into that thing You can see she's gripping her chin drops to cover her throat. She's protecting vital organs She's clearly affected by the fight or flight and then my favorite is when they get to ask her or to say you took this Polygraph and she's waiting. She's braced again for the worst you you know, you're not telling the truth But instead they say you passed well again a polygraph is as good as a person administering Excellent mark where you got yeah, so three times on the polygraph But no explanation as to why three times I mean is that standard procedure that you'll ask the same questions three times Was one time not so good for this show and so they did it another couple of times and Maybe should get better at it So that's kind of interesting That moment of As I would expect and that's like stutter there that jump in as I would expect expect I'm wondering whether There's something up there. Did she really expect that did she expect something else is there She caught a little bit of balance by this moment Also, I'm kind of concerned about the questions three important questions Did you meet an alien? Do you have part alien children? Have you been part of an alien breeding program? because what we'll find out later on is She considers alien and alien breeding maybe a little bit different from how we consider Alien and alien breeding and how the audience might be expecting Alien and alien breeding to be I mean if you frame the idea of what is an alien in a different way Then you know many of us have been part of alien breeding programs and and have met Aliens so but maybe we'll come to that a little bit later Americans so you know we fit Yeah, yeah Alright, well Chase I know you have not just you know a concept or an idea what's going on here But what about tell us about your feelings about? A Test anyway, yeah polygraph is a perfect machine for detecting all deception and I didn't mean that at all It is a Machine that is a complete con the entire machine is a con So the guy that's operating the polygraph machine Hopefully is a good interrogator who's got something he's got a reason to ask questions and later on He's got a reason to go back to those questions and say you said this and the polygraph machine said this You've got to give me some more information and if anybody in here Anybody watching if you've got a top-secret clearance or you've ever gone undergone a polygraph They're gonna tell you that you did bad pretty much every time and that's in the textbook and It's the biggest con game in the world however You could see the relief on this woman's face. You could see her bracing. She was rigid and frozen in place and If you take a picture of someone who is completely honest If I polygraph anybody and and I'm asking you about a real event in your life You're not gonna be that nervous You'll you'll be open and you won't have that thing that Scott the term that Scott coined extra face You're not gonna have that Feeling of I need to control and reserve everything. It's going to flow out. You're gonna have confidence that you'll be Doing pretty well in the polygraph Excellent. One thing I noticed it just come from an interrogator's Point of view when he's asking the questions. Did you notice what he wasn't doing? It was a looking at her here's the quit. Did you did you have a she won't tell me Yeah, so it's it's like you gotta be kids. So I don't know that's somebody's cousin or something They've said dude, you can do that. You've got one of those. Yeah, I got your table. Come on in. Yeah, how's it work? I just plug them up and it works. It works every time, you know So that's that's a problem and they call it polygraph. It's what the woman keeps saying But is that British mark? Is that the way? No, no, it should be polygraph. It should be polygraph It's okay. All right. Yeah, there is no poly that is Poly many many graphs many meters many it's a thing and it has many things to go like this on it and You know for most people if they see a polygraph or they're hooked up to one. They're gonna go. Oh, oh, oh, I better I better comply Right now. I got trouble. Yeah, and as Chase was saying, it's a great prop It's a great tool to go. Oh, well, you know, you weren't telling us something here and to dig in deeper Well, it measures three things against baseline galvanic skin response Which means blood leaving your your skin to go to to fighting utensils to go to arms and legs It means respiration and it means heart rate That's the three things are measuring and those can be masked So it's only as good I chase you and I are dead on with this one It's as good as the person using it as prop a sharp stick might be just as good if you use it correctly Before I sat down with Jane. She voluntarily sat a lie detector test or polygraph She underwent this test three times Have you been part of an alien breeding program? Yes There are three important questions. Did you meet an alien? Do you have part-alien children? Have you been part of an alien breeding program? No deception was indicated So as I would expect here we go Jane's first experience with aliens or grays as she calls them happened when she was a toddler I was in a white painted cot and I pulled myself up and looked up into the beautiful eyes I thought him as the man with cow eyes at that age. Did he talk to you in English in English? Yes in language I would understand but telepathically no sound and I found Instinctively that I could talk back to him the same way. It was just there We went up into a spaceship It will know we went into if I think back then rather as an adult looking back we went into a brown silver room and I lay on a table that was cold and Above me was pictures of my I now know pictures of my organs, but I had no idea what was going on They were just things in the air and I would now translate that or describe that as a hologram Though at my age, I don't think holograms existed then Okay Chase, what do you got? This was great She starts off with a very vivid description of the crib a white painted crib she's looking up in these big giant cow eyes and it's very visual and This may be a real dream that she'd had This was the most vivid description that she offers throughout the entire interview And after she is Saying each one of these little pieces of the story she does something called a confirmation glance To make sure that the interviewer is still buying the story And this nervous laughter at the end of each one of them you notice that We didn't see that Anywhere else and we don't see it later on when she's not really emotional Not trying to sell anything the only honest part of this interview in my opinion is when she's talking about her own children her real human Children not the humalians Okay, all right mark. What do you got? Yeah, so to pick up on that There's that moment where she looks for Approval on we went up into a spaceship. She looks for approval And because the interviewer here is hard as nails with her My assumption is is she gets zero approval back and she instantly crumbles and produces that that laughter In order to brush that aside and then do a rationalization of it and to say well You know, that's what as an adult I say it is as a child. Let me describe to you where I was Which sounds to me like some kind of doctor's office of some sort of a brown Brown room with some lights and with some pictures of organs You know kind of like you'd go if you went to a doctor's or a trainee doctor or you know any kind of Medical place you're probably going to see some of that some of that stuff. So Uh, for me, there's an instant point here where I'm I'm really seeing some some Crumbling during the interrogation that's going on here And really the interrogation here is for the interviewer to say nothing and just let her Blurt out her story and start changing the story as she goes along Excellent Greg. Yeah, I'm with both of you She rambles rambles through stuff that no two-year-old could possibly remember if this is something It's a vivid dream somewhere along the way. I think it's a little bit more than that You know people if you think of mesos hierarchy You get into belonging in a group and then differentiating once you tell your story and people start to stroke you And you keep making details and details and details. It gets more and more vivid She's doing recall from the vivid portions of that. It's not a lot of visual recall of any kind She's baselining pretty much the same every time she goes for a memory But that could be rote. She's learned this thing over and over and over and that giggling that Is a way to try to socially bond when she's made a really big goofy mistake So, I mean, this is a this is textbook For watching someone who's lying to you if I were interrogating someone sitting across the table and they had all of that behavior I would immediately go to deception and rehearse deception Excellent I got a few things with this like when she's talking it's the way she's saying it the way she's talking about it When she when she when she asked her did he talk to you in English? She says yes English in a language I would understand She wouldn't say that I would understand. She'd say that I understood Another thing was when she says, um I found instinctively I could talk back um the same way Two-year-olds don't have the cognitive ability To to talk about conceptually about things like instinct and those types of things So that's what either if she's being honest then she's got her timeline wrong She wasn't too. She was about seven or eight two two two years old imagine what she said back to the alien bottle Cookie Yeah, exactly So those those are things right out of the gate that bought and it doesn't sound like things are in order either You know, we'll get we'll get to that in the in the next setup, but Things are already standing kind of weird like she's Like she's not being honest about it. I'm not gonna say any better than that Story Jane's first experience with aliens or greys as she calls them Happened when she was a toddler. I was in a white painted cot And I pulled myself up and looked up into the beautiful eyes I thought him as the man with cow eyes at that age Did he talk to you in English in English? Yes In language I would understand but telepathically no sound And I found instinctively that I could talk back to him the same way. It was just there We went up into a spaceship It well, no, we went into if I think back then rather as an adult looking back We went into a brown silver room And I lay on a table that was cold And above me was pictures of my I now know pictures of my organs, but I had no idea what was going on There were just things in the air And I would now translate that or describe that as a hologram Though at my age, I don't think holograms existed then Yeah. All right, everybody good? All good How long do you think you were away at this particular point in time? Didn't your mother miss you? Well, that's a good point. They definitely do something to us As in the abductees one of another word experiences They either hypnotize us either chemically or in some other way I mean we have a drug called medazolam on earth. It's similar to only having a light dose of that And mum just didn't wake up and I think they do something to the the people around you too I might have only been gone 10 minutes. I have no idea How do you tell time at that age? All right, Greg, what do you got? Well, first of all, how do you tell time at that age? Well, how do you know what hologram? All that stuff everything that she just keeps bringing up again accessing the same place consistently Usually a good indicator if I'm asking you a question and you're running through it There are a couple of other just stammer's my favorite is that's a good point That's anytime you're asking somebody and you've got them on the ropes. They're looking for space. That's a great one That's a distance. That's a give me time and space to be able to come up with something She probably never heard that question before case I fully agree with Greg And any of us if if our memory is so vivid that we can recall the silver room the images floating We'll remember some kind of time. I can ask you how long was your 10th birthday? You say a couple hours 45 minutes or so Open some presents and finished it up And if the memory is so vivid that she remembers the skin and the eyes and the painted white crib And has no memory of about how long it took Which is even to provide an estimation Or to to qualify What she said afterwards she had something in there called a qualifier where she Gives an answer and then explains it away by Means of something else. How can you tell time at that age? and she's a very unusual Head turn with her eyes as soon as she says well, how can you tell time at that age? She breaks contact from the interviewer with her skull And the eyes at the same time, which is horizontal gaze aversion This is one of the pre-flight indicators that we teach to police officers before somebody's about to run Yep, yep, but I didn't see that I in that part you're right But I didn't see the flare nostrils which you'll see as well A lot of times they'll you'll see them looking and those nostrils will go out and then bang they're going Mark, what do you got? Well, there's a chemical in the brain called isopropin and when isopropin is imbued upon the Negative iron so that you see what she's doing is just throwing in the name of the chemical So that we'll all go. Oh, okay. All right. Well, you're talking science then so we'll just agree with that that that idea of medazolim Which she which she puts in which is a which is a drug she'd understand She's a nurse so she she'd have come across that and it seems she knows the effect of it as well So she knows the short acting effect of it. It's quick acting lasts for a short amount of time So she understands that but her hope is I think if she throws in that long word The interviewer will comply. So again, it's another look for compliance And you get that with people who are trying to string you a story all the time They'll bring in they'll bring in things like, you know, well, the funny thing is or, you know, try and make you laugh Try and bring in qualifiers that are of a higher status I think it was one of one of you have talked about before read out their resume To you I think this is the the bringing of of medazolim at the moment Is is kind of a resume that she's putting forward to say there's no point in questioning me I understand about drugs and also the story just gets confused at this point I'm pretty smart and I couldn't work out for a for a start whether she was talking about her or her mother And she starts off talking about her and then brings it back to her mother And so I'm I'm I'm confused and I think it's a simple question, which is Why didn't why didn't somebody notice you were gone? Yeah, I mean a good answer would be I have no idea. I just don't know don't know why I don't know If you're going through an experience like medazolim and someone asks you about it or you're just talking about it You'll describe the feeling And you know writing fiction I know there's a thing called showing versus telling If I tell you somebody's confident That's that does nothing for you if I say she strode into the room and everybody turned around to look It changes things it changes how you how you perceive the whole situation But when we're telling a story we're describing experience not facts We're saying I I got something I felt a haze come over me My whole body relaxed and I remember just Floating down into this table or sinking down into this alien table Well to that point chase let's help her be a better liar Okay, if that if that's what's happening sure a better lie Right off the the bat for example when they say well, you know, what did they say to you? Would be to say it wasn't really language. It was it was just a feeling you just knew I just knew what they were talking about and and it wasn't really a language It was just an exchange of feeling Yeah, the weird thing to me is most people will tell you take facts and you expand them to create a good lie Or a good story. She's just sprinkling a random fact and hear that she happens to have because everything else is plain cloth right and when you talk about lies of Omission commission a live commission is the hardest to sustain because it has to tie into your life And she just got called on the carpet for a big miss in that tying all of her all of her stuff together Why didn't your mother miss you and there'll be another she's going to get another one This interviewer at least is not buying into this craziness and that's And her questions aren't really that good. No, they're not but but at least she's asking something and That's true What the one problem I had was she keeps separating herself from what's happening when she's talking about What where did you again the story here? She talks about the drugs and then she gets to the time I don't know how well I could have gone. It could have been 10 minutes And when she's talking about these things she says that when they when they they hypnotize us or When we do this, it's like she's part of wants to be part of this group or she's she's removing herself from it Saying it's us and we it's not just me. It's a bunch of us, you know And doing this Yeah, you think there'd be some excitement if like What chase was saying about just describing something you'd see if I had if if I told you look there's I saw a murder wasp Man, it was like this long and it was big made a big buzzing sound. It came right at me But in real life, I'd say I said man, I saw a Murder wasp thing was huge. It was huge if it gets on and you're done. That's it I've seen one of these things get the singers got to be that long. Hey to god I couldn't I could not believe what I was seeing There's none of that in there. She's not saying anything that she'll She's telling a story. Yeah. Yeah So that's that's again and that and everything being out of order, you know The thing I think she should have said last was one of the first things she's talking about Then she gets to where the time goes away. She's not not answering the question Where maybe she's told us so many times she has to get those points in Did she say she was writing a book or anything in this? Did we know that? Oh, yeah, right at the end Yeah, right at the end. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you're right. She does right. She does. Uh, there's a book in it Okay, okay. By the way, my cousin Dave He was abducted by a murder wasp truth Oh my god, I'd love to hear that story You need to bring him on Were you there? Yeah abducted murder wasp He wasn't part of a humusp program Don't mind him because he was hunting when he found it He was he was hunting with his mate hunting bigfoot. It's probably yeah Mad Derek His mate mad Derek. We're out hunting How long do you think you were away at this particular point in time? Didn't didn't your mother miss you? Well, that's a good point. They definitely do something to us As in the abductees were one of another word experiences They either hypnotizes either chemically or in some other way. I mean we have a drug called madazzlem on earth It's similar to only having a light dose of that And mum just didn't wake up and I think they do something to the the people around you too I might have only been gone 10 minutes. I have no idea How do you tell time at that age? All right, everybody good? Good. Yeah. Oh good Do you have part alien children? Yes You claim to be the mother of three hybrid children Humane So how were they conceived? They were conceived in the usual way both the human father and I Probably have some alien DNA already in us and then at about 12 weeks. I was taken up into the spaceship again I have a clear memory of this. That's where you had sex too, wasn't it in the spaceship? Yes, yes, so so you a lot of people might make a joke about them All the children were conceived on the spaceship. Yes Did you have any say in that? No, no, and you know I'm making the best of this story and I'm trying to be light-hearted about it because I've been through my Greening process and I still have days. I'm upset about it and I miss the children So I say they were kind to me and they consented and I wanted to defend the race because I feel Almost part of them as if they're family. Where did you put birth? Well, they were taken from my uterus In the spaceship, but here I had to have dnc's and there was no cure it. Yes Um, so doctors were confused every time so they they they removed the babies here No, they'll remove the babies in there And then you had to go to the hospital to have a bit of treatment. Well, I did. Yes So did so you you only went to a three month term or something like that? The longest one was five months and then the babies Yeah, were put into some sort of test some sort of humidity to bring in space Yeah, they've got way more advanced medical technology than we do. There's no question about that But here I would have an ultrasound and there would be a fetus on the ultrasound And I would have positive pregnancy tests And then suddenly the baby would be gone with that and the evidence of that But if you carried a baby for five months, someone must have noticed you were pregnant I went to a doctor and it was confirmed that I was pregnant. Where was your husband? Um, your earth husband. I was divorced by this date. Yes Anybody else wondering if she had if she was confirmed pregnant With three kids that disappeared where the hell those kids are That sounds that's like some kind of trauma thing must happen if that was true number two and number one The cops would be there, you know Yeah, I don't think it's down. I don't think it's down that route, but certainly we've got somebody here who who Who is You know to to look at it in its best light Which is this is made with this if it isn't somebody who's just written a book and trying to promote it What we have here somebody is is traumatized and in order to deal with that trauma. They've created A story of these children being abducted by aliens much like in in medieval times if you had kids who Were going to be a bit of a problem for you you took them out into the woods And the fairies would get them and they turn them into changelings And there was always there was a supernatural way Of dealing with some of the tragedies of of life, which is losing children or purposely Losing them. I don't think that's what's happened in in this case But certainly we've got somebody here who understands Dnc and understands probably what is either either stillborn or Or certainly miscarriage and is trying to deal with That situation by creating a story Yeah, or just making up a story as you said in the beginning But more importantly to me, this is an occult eraser kind of thing right if If a person told me that I had alien babies and this happened this happened this happened If people knew you were pregnant and suddenly you just showed up and said hey, the babies are gone Don't you think you'd start to see a trend in that person over time? So it could just be a plaincloth story her friends the people around her would start asking questions All these people around would start to wonder I'm just saying imagine today a woman, you know, who lives next door who is pregnant and at five months pregnant Every time the baby disappears. What do you think would happen in real life? Yeah, I can say the coffee show Hey guys, something's going on with this woman It and maybe she lives in you know somewhere where that doesn't happen But just ask yourself as you're talking to someone who has an outlandish story Is that real or practical? Can that have happened and no one have noticed and this woman is starting the interviewer is starting down that path There's just some outlandish things never mind that she is in a heightened sense of fight or flight looking for the door with her body and More than one direction. She's doing posture shifts. She's shuffling. She's covering my army days. We would call that covering your blow hole Mm-hmm. There's a super stern notch. I think we gotta start. I think we got to call that the Navarro notch He's the one that was sort of popularized that Yeah, yeah, yeah, anyway, it's and also there when she's as she's talking about it She's uh, she's she has no emotions when she's talking about the kids It's all the same emotion the whole time and they're usually I always talk about the loping Greg and I I sent Greg a recording of a thing I'm working on and the person in question Their story is just loping right along and everything sounds fine and this one It's all choppy and stops and when she hits that super stern notch with a Navarro notch She's I think she's trying to just blast right past that what happened to the kids What happened to you? How long were you in the hospital? What's going on? What are you talking about? I think that hits on the hospital. I think the problem here is the hospital I think the problem here is what what has happened to her or she's deciding has happened to her in a hospital Hmm, that's the hospital chase. What do you got? So a dnc is a procedure to basically Clean out the inside of the uterus after a miscarriage and abortion and That's pretty telling that that somebody would say that and if I was making up a story and I know that those are in my medical records I'll make that part of the story just in case that ever comes up I'll add that make sure that that evidence that's real and findable is part of the story And this very much could be trauma genic This entire thing could be based in trauma But you see as as she's getting pressed on any of these questions if any of us are getting pressed on A major event in our lives. We're relaxed. We're open. Our face is moving our tone of voice is changing We're showing emotion If we're talking about losing a child dear god, we're going to show some emotion that's There's nothing worse And and we see nothing here So we're She's kind of parading this this story out and you see As she gets closer to this part of the story that makes her nervous She's reaching up covering the neck protecting the throat and goes down here and starts doing jewelry playing Women are more likely than men to associate jewelry with identity And this is one of those things where you see jewelry playing and you see this this nervousness towards the end of the statement Chase great catch and it's not just jewelry. Do you notice what it is? Oh, yeah Yeah across right that's a barrier of a kind that I always say Holy relics bear, you know clothing that you wear your some religions wear specific things And that cross is a huge huge thing to touch. It's re-emphasizing. It's outside or closed for a reason I mean all of that. So yeah, you could put a generator on her body and create some electricity from her moving around So much in this. Yeah, so here's what I'd say is is Chase, I think you're right that we don't see emotion here but what we do see Is a story about being abducted by aliens and so what I think we're seeing here is the transference of that emotion into An incredible story And into a situation where you would go on television television and and you would You would retell that fantasy You would be prepared to do that. So we aren't seeing a woman who's You know weeping over her children We're seeing her probably from most of our point of views telling a mad story And this is there's a history of this. I mean back in london There was a place called bedlam and in the victorian times you could pay to go and watch mad people And now we have entertainments like the x-factor where you can just you know, watch People who are delusional Around the talent that they may or may not have here. I suspect we have somebody You know with the best will in the world probably what we have is is somebody who could be Delusional or they're promoting a book, but they could be delusional They could have created this world in order to deal with the trauma And we've seen that throughout history because we get the idea of hysteria from it which comes from the the goddess Hestia, which was the goddess of the woman's Reproductive organs and what people have found over time is that around trauma around female reproductive organs There is a huge amount of energy And emotion which can be turned into what people then call the madness And you could go and watch people enact that madness Anybody cast the the part where she says uh, so I say they were kind to me and they consented Were they consent consenting to did you hear that part? Yeah, I think she I need to refer to to Her reframing the story to the point where she consented to the sexual activity with the aliens But she says they consented You're right. It's confusing. It gets very very confused given. She's written a book Why is she so why is she so confused about telling the story? It must be it must be written down in some kind of Way that's intelligible and here it's all over the shop I think what's happening with her here is she comes in with a plan and like most good plans It goes to hell when she starts to get some pressure And then her little brain takes over and her big brain goes to sleep And she's back into that cat brain running around like a squirrel on the road because she doesn't know where to go next And she's grasping at little pieces of the story as she pulls it forward That's why it's out of sequence when you interrogate you guys I know I've seen this you get a person has a grand story and a good framework and you pull on the right String in the sweater and the sleeve falls off and they're grabbing at the sleeve and trying to hold onto their story because It's not sustainable. It's not in the rhythm they plant and they come apart. It's the best technique in interrogation She's she's also once again trying to be part of a group because when she says I thought of that I think of them as family. That's why I defend them, you know as if they're family She's trying to make herself part of something I don't know if that's a psychological thing where she's not part of any groups Maybe nobody likes her. She's you know that situation going on and she tries to keep saying us and we and family And I'm having kids and all these things going on because in a few minutes she's going to be talking about how she's divorced So I don't it sounds like I I think a lot of it sounds if we didn't know any better I mean it should be schizophrenic. I mean Well, if this is if this is a trauma genetic thing It most likely happened because of trauma Which also caused dissociation of some sort which could have produced some some degree Of dissociative amnesia, which which we call missing time. Someone's missing time If it did cause dissociative amnesia Dissociation means we kind of there's a partition formed in our brain somewhere And that might mean that the part of her brain that knows that this is Incorrect is starting to come to the surface and is causing more stress and more tension From the part that does believe that For me guys, I'm going to take the simplest route. I'm gonna say No, it's a story And Maslow's hierarchy, you know I'm a firm believer that people wedge themselves into groups and if you're in a crazy group that owns tigers You can get more tigers if you're in a crazy group that believes they've been abducted by ufo's You your stuff has to get sexier. I was on the ship at Ooh, not at 20. They loved me and they grew me to be their person I I think it's back mark. You had the best line ever when you have tigers There's no normal when you believe you're abducted by ufo's Your normal is different than my normal right and and here's how she's skewing that idea is she says You know, I think of them as a different race. They may be a different species My children so she's talking about aliens She's been asked about aliens in this and she says well, I think of them as a different race. She's saying aliens What you say is aliens. They're not really aliens. They're just like, you know people from another country Okay, and then she says, you know, they may be a different species, but she's she's saying they're not really that She's my children are Anglo-Dutch. They're hybrids so So my guess is, you know with with with, you know Uncle Derek on on the polygraph there I reckon I got uncle Derek on the polygraph and And I've managed to skew the idea of what is an alien I think I can pass the polygraph a lie detector test at least three times Oh, we can show you how to do that. That's not a problem. I'm not Yeah, yeah Exactly how to do that All right. Good anybody else I wouldn't have believed we would get this much out of this. This is fun I wouldn't either. I was completely getting ready to dismiss the whole thing. I thought we were gonna as we all thought This is gonna be 20 minutes It's just too much fun Do you have part alien children? Yes You claim to be the mother of three hybrid children Human aliens. So how were they conceived? They were conceived in the usual way Both the human father and I probably have some alien DNA already in us and then at about 12 weeks I was taken up into the spaceship again. I have a clear memory of this. That's where you had sex too, wasn't it in the spaceship? Yes, so so you a lot of people might make a joke about the All the children were conceived on the spaceship. Yes Did you have any say in that? No, no And you know, I'm making the best of this story and I'm trying to be light-hearted about it because I've been through My grieving process and I still have days. I'm upset about it and I miss the children So I say they were kind to me and they consented and I wanted to defend the race because I feel Almost part of them as if they're family. Where did you birth? Well, they were taken from my uterus In the spaceship, but here I had to have dnc's and there was no Correct. Yes Um So doctors were confused every time so they they they removed the babies here No, they'll remove the babies in there And then you had to go to hospital to have a bit of treatment. Well, I did. Yes So did so you you only went to a three month term or something like that? The longest one was five months and then the babies Yeah were put into some sort of test some sort of humidity to bring in space Yeah, they've got way more advanced medical technology in the wedges. There's no question about that But here I would have an ultrasound and there would be a fetus on the ultrasound And I would have positive pregnancy tests and then suddenly the baby would be gone with that and the evidence of that But did you carry the baby for five months? Someone must have noticed you were pregnant I went to a doctor and it was confirmed that I was pregnant. Where is your husband? Um your earth husband. I was divorced by your state. Yes. Okay All right, everybody good? Is Much like any parent separated from their child here on earth and her face beams when she talks of them I've got a girl called claire And then a boy called jude and then another boy called heath and then claire has married another for want of another word humane and on You know in their society and his name's gabriel. They obviously have grey names, but I had to give them some names And she has a baby called Amelia They look quite human only small. So my daughter would be quite tiny. So that's not really my genes That would be the grey genes. She looks like a normal woman. She's just got small boobs Well, Greg, what do you got? Well, the weirdest out of all that I see a disgust signal in the middle of all that If you noticed it's a one standout piece of body language. She's I have to call them something That disgust that's harder for me and you to do And it may or may not be discussed it because women use their nose to communicate it may be a way to bond In a way that we typically don't otherwise why disgust around I have to call them something And I have to call them something It's not like she just coined this phrase. I guarantee you this is something she's used before humane alien humane alien Again, she's doing that her body is getting smaller and decreasing target size as she's telling her story her posture shifting constantly and It's just an outlandish tale is what I see. I don't I don't maybe there's trauma that generated it, but I'm progressively thinking It's an outlandish tale Merck, what do you got? Yeah, so that disgust gesture. I often see that as smelling the rat of your own life sometimes It's it's disgust that you're with performance of telling the story. It's like I'm so bad at this Or or it's like it's like it's it's your Unconscious mind just going you're lying. What are you doing? I why have you why have you bought me here to do this? This is really This is really annoying for me. Can we get the hell out of here? So so I think you know, there may be some elements of that, but look the re again Like I'm lost in the story I'm kind of lost It's like the first name she says has an upward intonation like she's saying is that a good name Is that do you buy that name? Is that all right? And then she must have got some signal back from the interviewer that says. Yeah, we'll go with that We'll go with that because the rest of the names are downward intonations like she goes. Okay. You bought the first name I'm giving you the second. I'm giving you the third Yeah, and now oh god. I've never gone this far. Hang on Uh, I'm gonna have to make some stuff up. Oh, no. I hate this. I hate my job I hate my job making I think that's what happens I wonder if she asked again if she asked her their names again if she would remember what she said She said, well, I made those up. They're just they have gray names and there you go That's exactly where I'm going. That's exactly where I'm going. No, that's cool But and again, I think she's trying to blow past this too because she's getting smaller. She's moving She's got she's totally guarding that neck and throat. She's totally It's like she's getting ready to be hit by something. She's totally Making herself smaller. I think she's trying to get past this because again I don't think this part of it. She may be in her book or whatever But I don't think she was ready for that and I think maybe and I think that thing about she had a you know Being the grandmother. She hasn't said that yet. But when she says she had a kid too or whatever I think that just jumped out. I think just as she's trying to add her qualifiers to make it more believable It's just and she had a kid You know, it's look at her. She's jumping out. She's squishing all over the place She can't sit still so I think that I think that kind of just jumped out And she's and she's like oh and I got now what you know move along stupid move along I think that's what her other part of her brain is saying trying to get her out of the mess We've seen that everybody's seen. You know, yeah They're wiggling to get out of the chair looking Yeah, yeah Totally agree with you. I was watching this earlier today And I saw the same behavior she that was something like they're buying this I'm gonna throw in an extra detail this time And you've heard her from the beginning. There's confirmation glances Oh, yeah Go request for approval. Greg calls it Yeah When they say she beamed when she mentioned her children her face let up that didn't happen No through facial expressions fade off of the face False facial expressions. We've got four of the top in the world here False facial expressions stop For years go up and they disappear because there's no energy behind keeping the eggman talks about that How there's nothing keeping those things stuck there. It's just there and then gone Another thing is there's a guy named doc Watson. I think I've heard you guys I've told you guys about him's guitar players. My dad's best friend grew up with him. He's blind guy He was blind. It's my dad's age. I didn't grow up with him, but I grew up and he was there all the time and When he would smile and I could tell when we'd be telling jokes and things he would say something was funny But when he really didn't think it was funny His smile would leave really quickly because he's never seen anybody He doesn't know to like gradually back that thing down He would just smile real big and all of a sudden it'd be gone You know, so but there there are ways around that I'm sure in in the World of the blind but in that in that situation It would just go quickly and I remember as a kid thinking why is that happening come to find out later on What we just talked about So and I think that's I think that's I think you're eye-chasing think that's what's going on there And she's just trying to like blow her eye past it as she's As she's slipping down the hill, you know trying to catch herself You know Greg what do you got anything else? No, no, that's all of that movement all of that shrinking all of that's not normal posturing You know if you talk about your children, you're proud. You're talking about your children You uncover your throat. It's one of those things one of those moments upright If I ask you about your kids everyone on here would raise your chin as you talk not Slump away like a dog in a fight right with your chin over your throat There's one more thing that's not here anywhere pretty much Is when we talk about truthful things that are emotional or real or fun or sad Our eye muscles move as we're saying the words if you talk about my if I'm talking about my kids I'm I'm going to say I've got two kids and you're going to see that small movements in the eye muscles You'll see squinting Uh facial expressions that match it. She's obviously good at narrating with her body. She says I'm in this big round room And then nothing else is narrated for the rest of the thing and she grabs the crib and looks over the crib Yeah, it doesn't anything else But those themselves are qualifiers as you're adding to you have to create that picture in your mind When I'm teaching entrepreneurs how to pitch I say you got to build this picture in your mind that they can pop out and put in somebody else's head That's what she's doing because even when they describe their business I haven't do specific things mark knows about that I haven't do specific things so it builds that picture in their mind. That's what she's doing She's using that those are qualifiers those are qualifiers in other words right out of the gate as she's starting to tell She's building this story this picture for you to take with you and give somebody else if need be That's what she's told she has told that story so many times She's got it down to a pantomime kind of thing But when she gets to a hard question about how many kids she has and what their names are And now she's got to kind of reach back and pull it out Any of that kind of stuff going. Yeah, she should have gone. She should have asked the one. What's that new kid's name? I would love that. It was uh You can see the deer in the headlights. Look. Yeah. Yeah, see that's our tv show right there Talking to do this let us know what their what are their grade names? We would love to hear those Yeah, I would love to hear that because she's going to make up some sleast that kind of sounding stuff They know what she's got to do is say wait a minute. I'm going to write those down. What were they again? And then she's like, uh, you wouldn't be able to pronounce them. I can hear coming out in episodes. Ah, that's good. You're right Well, I think there's a huge difference as well between the first names that she comes up with and then the last one which is gabriel Which is uh, you know, obviously has a has a biblical connotation to it My guess is is that comes right from her unconscious and and and the christian upbringing Uh, that she she grabs onto something iconic. Whereas the other names are kind of quite Ordinary, you know, they're not so extraordinary and then suddenly it's like and then they named one after an angel Yeah, the biggie Much like any parent separated from their child here on earth and her face beams when she talks of them I've got a girl called claire And then a boy called jude and then another boy called heath and then claire has married another for want of another word humalian on You know in their society and his name's gabriel they obviously have gray names, but I had to give them some names And she has a baby called Amelia They look quite human only small so my daughter would be quite tiny So that's not really my jeans that would be the gray jeans. She looks like a normal woman. She's just got small boobs All right, everybody good good All right, here we go Do you have a still over the net you're a selfie? I would love a selfie. I would love my children to stand here and meet you. Yeah, but How do you talk to them? But I can speak some telepathically or audibly because they're human as well Do they can speak english? Yes, they can And have you only seen them this once? Yeah. Well, yeah, I remember that was in response to me Basically chucking a little tanty in my head. No, I this is not fair. I'm sick of this. I want answers I want to know why where I went last night and why and And I want to meet my children and you know within a short time of Of thinking that and and crying for them Um, I was taken and I got to meet them and I got to hug them And they'll you know, they'll physical beings and I could touch and it was I I tear up just thinking that was a very emotional time All right Chase go ahead I would like to meet a human who describes their children as physical beings Yeah, man. You just did boom. Yeah, you yeah, you saw Even if you're tigers Nobody does that And and it's just more selling to the story Yeah, the reaction when she says do you talk to them? She's like, holy crap What am I how am I going to respond to this in my head? He's shocked a little bit Freeze the body language stops and a break in eye contact, which is not accessing. It's like a I need to do something. Yeah and I This was the most deceptive to me the most deceptive piece of the entire video And if I was to give this one clip a score of deception, it would be a hundred percent There right chase. I couldn't agree with you more a few things. So she says Just thinking about them makes me emotional and looks down into her left Which I love because that's exactly the opposite of emotion. That's an internal conversation So I'm going over and I'm going What do I say next? Yeah When people become emotional about a story if you ask me about the most traumatic moment of my life I'm going to be emotional even if I don't cry. You're going to see my head tilt You're going to hear voice and language associated with that not a rambling diatribe of mixed words About physical beings and now they don't just have telepathy, but they have telepathy attached to long distance So she can rant in her head and they show up suddenly This is getting more and more Of a story guys. This is a story that she's created and she's probably going to get more details for her book out of this interview because this Things she hadn't Thought of I'm with you chase. There's no Methodical process driven thing here. She's just throwing out junk to see what was stick and I think if there's one thing that shows the The reason that this could be trauma genetic is how she describes. I want to see my kids I miss those kids. I wanted to meet those. I wanted to meet my kids But no emotion no emotion when she does it right and she calls them the kids You know, but it's again. I see her. I see her in panic mode here. She's trying to get out of this She's trying to get out as quick as she can. It's almost like I'll see y'all later on man. Take it easy She's like scooching away from her and getting smaller. The whole thing says You know, she's in a panic to me. She continues to say it was an emotional time Doesn't describe crying on the couch doesn't describe overeating or crying at her friend's house or calling friends She didn't say it was an emotional experience. Right. It was an emotional time It's a descriptor not a not not an explanation, right? And when you use those kind of descriptors, that's storytelling Because you're not thinking about how I felt if I ask you about seer school Chase and I say tell me about seer school. You won't say what was an emotional time No Although it was I guarantee you right You're going to remember specific emotions. You felt anger remorse fear whatever it is Even if you say emotional and you're talking in emotional language You're not going to say again your body is going to behave a certain way Your head is going to drift down into your right your eyes You're going to drag your big Lunk of dead flesh over to the right and your whole body is going to change posture Her posture is too busy doing that Some kind of thing here's one thing chase isn't going to do when he describes Seer school. He's not going to go. Well, I remember the day when I first opened the door and looked around Bad actors who haven't been in that situation Mime out the actions Good actors Don't avoid the emotion they dive into the emotion and they go through the emotion bad actors Stay away From the emotion and they and they move away from the emotion by trying to show us the actions That that happened and that's what we're seeing with her is we see A lot of actions around it and we don't see her Dive into the the emotion now we could say okay. Well, there could be trauma there She's avoiding that or she sublimated the trauma Into a story So we could give her the benefit of the doubt around that if we wanted to say You know, she's not opportunist and she's not just trying to Sell a book. Okay The other thing that I I'd like to say about this is really about good ways of interviewing people for people who are thinking Well, how can I get the truth out of people? One of the best things you can do is just shut up and say nothing and here The interviewer gets a moment because because she says I think she says something like I would like you to meet them, but And an interviewer the interviewer dives in there because it's dead air And goes, okay, let's get another question in the best thing A good interviewer would have done there in terms of trying to get the the truth is to just Say nothing and let her fill the space of thought And if she doesn't fill it say but what tell me Tell me what what do you want to say? Because I think there was something interesting going to happen after that, but Yeah, I think they had just a short amount of time to talk to her They got somebody's cousin or brother or a friend of somebody's from work Who knew how to do who had the uh, you know the lie detector app You know, it's just the whole thing. Just is this rinky dinky from but of course look what they're talking about How can you take it that seriously? But I want to because I want to go what what if we what if we'd come out here and said, you know what? I believe her, you know, I see things like this that that that I've seen everything truthful That'd be one thing, but it just doesn't you know People can believe a lot of things in their head and tell you what is their truth That's not even going on here Yeah There all right, so let's do this. Let's let's throw it around the room We'll kind of give a 15 20 second wrap up what we think is going on what you think's happened and then We'll bring it to a close mark you and go first Yeah, I think if we want to give it the benefit of the doubt then we're looking at somebody with Trauma if we don't want to do that then we're looking at somebody who's written a book and they'd like to sell it Okay chase Yeah, I think we're seeing somebody here who is dealing with feeling outcast And feeling rejected from social circles has made up a story for whatever reason And has has written a book about it and this book is designed to bring her back Into those circles and that's one of the reasons that we see This this sign and one thing I'd love for everybody to do is just one to a hundred. What's the Percentage of truth indicators that you saw in this story Hmm. Okay, Greg Yeah, so for me Like both of you I see indicators of deception people telling a story Usually have a story that they develop over time and they remember this is a war story thing, right? You keep injecting new material when you injecting that new material you get flight or flight She's squirming. She's dancing. She's trying to get away I think it's simply when she was 10 or 12 or 20 or some point in her life She started telling a story and I think that story has grown and grown and grown and grown I'd love to know more about when this first happened or if she had an epiphany in 1992 Or when it actually occurred if if I were chase if you're asking me 10 to 15 percent right 10 to 15 percent of what she said is true Now that doesn't mean that she's just an outright liar. She's telling a story. I mean, yeah Okay, I think it's one of those things where she's retired from being a nurse And that's who she was that was her identity and now she's the lady who has Humalians, you know, she said that's who she that's her identity now Because the other one's been taken away for whatever reason she doesn't look like she's old enough to retire But maybe she is or something but for some reason She's not there and doesn't have that group because she kept talking about groups and people and us and we And I think that's that's who she is now. That's who she's become with that I think on a the the truth that we're seeing this I want to give it about I'm gonna say nine percent. I'm going to load 10 percent Truth indicators Well, she gave her name That's true. That's there you go. There's nine percent. So mark, what percentage do you give it? I mean Zero honesty around around being abducted by actual Extra terrestrials. I think she feels she's been quite honest About giving birth to hybrids I think that's I think she believes That and if you and so it's it's either an intellectual skewing of Of that and so it really comes down to what does she believe? I think she believes That it's okay to tell us a story Where she skews the nature of that story. She reframes it So if we bring this back up one level right for a second, let's forget any kind of conjecture about she's crazy Or she's this or she's that For me the reason I said 10 to 15 percent is because She was squirming around like a worm on a griddle most of the time There was only there are a couple of moments where she actually stopped and had kind of same body language That made me think okay. I want to talk to this woman If I had a prisoner sitting across the table from me and they were squirming around as much as she is I would not believe a word they said during the time And so for me if we just take into account I agree She could be it could be traumatic and if it is Then we have a mental a mental health issue right versus to somebody who is BSing and making stuff up. Does that make sense? Yeah, I go with 10 on on my end as well Okay, cool I think this is a good one I think it's and and let's try to find another one to something like this to interject in between our of our serious stuff You know let's move on we'll do Find something else All right, so I think that went well. Yeah, that's fun. Yeah, that was fun One more than I expected. Well, you know what the worst thing is to be the polygrapher. We just took apart Yeah, oh, yeah, oh bless his heart