 Our colleague Chris Carlin was listening to him driving home yesterday. So was I he wants Matt rule as the coach So I started to do some work on that rule because he seems to be the flavor of the month When it comes to you know, the next ascending star And I was listening to Alan Hahn driving in yeah, I love this station. I listen to every show look at you And there was a caller who said and we looked it up And it's true that in seven years as a head coach in college with Temple now with Baylor Matt rule has beaten two ranked teams two in seven years, too His experience in the NFL is one year as an assistant not as a coordinator one year in 2012 with Tom Coughlin and the Giants and Everybody seems to think Matt rules the guy Matt rules the guy. That's where the big avalanche is and I just like to know that the people that are saying that how many people really know Matt rule We know that he's from this area and that's attractive We know that he is one of the finalists for the jet job last year and he wanted control over personnel Jet said no they are a case Ironically enough case did have control of everything he got rid of the guy who had control personnel and maneuvered that a guy that He's in sync with Joe Douglas got the job All that being said we were talking about this before the show you tell me How many college coaches how many think about it everybody how many college coaches have gone on to be great Head coaches in the NFL How many done how many the ones off the top of your head you would have to say Jimmy Johnson, right? I'll be one of the best that you can think of right I guess of all wins and he built the team that won the third under Switzer And we're not gonna put Switzer in that no because what sir did just left Jimmy Johnson stuff alone And that's why he was able to win that title with an amazing team with a ton of Hall of Famers Harbaugh would be one right went to Stanford went to a Super Bowl with San Francisco one thing about Harbaugh though Don Played the NFL for a long time True Matt rule does not have that on resume. Well, the fact is we could sit there and talk It's a handful of guys because Pete Carroll was in the NFL that success at USC came back and now he's one of the best coaches in the NFL What's the album would you consider him a college coach? Yes, he coached in college Tom Coughlin coached in college But he spent a lot of time as an NFL assistant went to Boston College then went to the Jaguars and the Giants so They're just there there's an the answer isn't none there there are a few right But there's a lot of guys that had tremendous success in college It just didn't translate to the NFL Nick Saban did not translate And he's one of the greatest coaches of all time when you look at college coaches Spurrier is gonna be up there He did a good job with your team right he was tremendous I was so glad we had him by the way Michael We got into this exact same argument about basketball and I feel the same way for both sports I just think no matter how good the coach is in their respective college sport. There's a chance They'll be good, but it is not the same thing as getting getting a proven professional commodity So so think about what we're saying here That obviously the answer is it's a risk It's not it's not a no-brainer not to do it It's not a no-brainer to do it if anything it kind of falls on the side of you're taking a pretty big risk Statistically that a college coach can translate to the NFL and if you're the Giants you want to take that risk That's the point you can't afford to get this wrong again. You right now are over your last two So can you afford When you really desperately need to get it right your team has collectively won 12 games in the last three years To roll the dice on a college coach when there is a known commodity In McCarthy who's coached in in in a high-profile team That may be not a city But certainly the Packers are a high-profile team won a Super Bowl went to the playoffs nine of 13 years You're gonna say no, I don't need that I'm gonna take the chance that this college guy who knows the game of football But will it translate because get them and said something very interesting in that interview There were so many things about that interview that it kind of got lost There's a big jump from college to the pros. We're seeing it with the players I'm not the players. Yeah, he's talking about the players, but it's the same for the coaches. Absolutely You're coaching different players. They're in a different stratosphere now. They also don't want to be Given a bunch of rules, so you're gonna have to make that what you can do in college. You can't do in the pros Can you make that transition? Yes, you can make the transition But do I want to take that chance for a guy that had one season of NFL experience as an assistant To come over and take over this job in the biggest city in North America for one of the flagship teams in the NFL But more importantly for a team that is desperate Desperate to start winning again. Can you take that chance? I mean There's another college coach. That was not a good college coach Peter a great one a great one Lou Holtz He quit he resigned for the end of the year with the Jets. He quit So I mean is Matt rule a better head coach than Lou Holtz was in college and I don't want to be on the anti-mat rule Bandwagon here, but I just don't understand Everybody's obsession with this guy who's won two games against ranked teams He built up a terrible baler program that is was in the I mean the dumps because of all the awful things that happened Temple he built them up as well. So he's done a good job building up programs But he won big games. He just lost the ball game that he was in and The reason you get the jet job is he wants control over personnel You're gonna give this guy control over personnel You're gonna give him control over Dave Gettleman over who makes the 53 man roster Let me ask you this go ahead Peter. No, I was gonna say What what is it the Giants need? How about can we start there? What is it you need? What is the number one thing you're trying to bring to this football team because you can really only discuss The kind of coach you want after you know what that is because these are not a one-size-fits-all situation Well, I need somebody and was admitted by a gentleman that is going to make my quarterback better and take my quarterback To the next level I think that's important You've got a young quarterback entering his second year He's now all of a sudden gonna have a second coach and maybe a second system to have to deal with I think that's got a big priority number one. I can't win without my quarterback So don't I have to find a coach that's gonna make my quarterback better? Another thing I know you're gonna you guys are gonna laugh at me about this You want to be the giant coach buddy? Get out of Kabul do the interview now Unless the Giants already told him you got the job Now Mike McCartney is being interviewed today by the Giants You tell me how you sit down and you interview Mike McCarthy who has pelts on the wall as Bill Parcells would say and then you interview Matt Rule who could be a bright bright young coach But has never done it at this level ever and you get a throw into the cauldron of the New York football Giants Who've been here since 1925 who've been miserable failure since their last Super Bowl and you're gonna give him that job I'm gonna be shocked if they do it now what I did mention because Peter asked what kind of coach I think it's a major priority to find somebody that can take my quarterback to the next level But I also need somebody that can coach can he in-game coach? Can he make decisions because ultimately you have to win the games once the quarterback becomes great? I'm also gonna need a great coach. That's what happened with Schermer They hired Schermer because he was gonna try to make Eli better that didn't work And then he was left to being a coach and he couldn't do that either So, you know, you need to coach but to answer your question Peter once I've established you can coach in this league Can you help make my quarterback better? I think that's important, but let's let's also think about this Peter He didn't take the Jets job because you want to control. I don't think he changed his mind So if the Giants want rule then why did you keep Gettleman? Right if you know the guy that you're gonna hire is gonna want to buy the groceries So by keeping Gettleman doesn't that take rule out of it unless you're gonna convince rule that He's gonna take an NFL job that he's waited so long for and not get everything that he wants But you know what? He the job he dreamed about was the Jets and he demanded so much He didn't get the job the giant job was not the job he dreamed about that he was he grew up a jet fan so Maybe get them and it's prepared to give him all the power and get them and just do the you know the work the The grunt work the scouting and give him reports and let him make the decisions But again, you're gonna hair and all that Responsibility to what a 41 year old guy he could end up being the next bill Belichick He could be and I could end up being completely wrong I have egg on my face But the obsession and we're gonna talk to Chris Carlin at 645 because he is a big Matt rule down the Obsession with this guy to be the guy I I need to have more proof that because I'm sorry There's no sure things in life has but this hiring for the Giants has to be as close to a sure thing as you could possibly have Has David deals said much about Matt rule. No, I'd be curious and we should try to talk to David deal See coach them on the on the line with the Giants I'm curious to hear what those pro players who were coached by him have to say about them and how vocal they are Because I'll tell you we all know none of the three of us are big college football guys But I'll tell you one thing coaching at Temple and Baylor as big a program as Baylor is still you're not talking about Lou Holtz You're not plucking someone from Notre Dame. It's a it's a I know we live in an era now where it's kind of cool to bring on a Young coach a young assistant who's 37 years old whatever but to look at the experience of a coach whose success come at places Like Temple and Baylor it that's giving it a lot of gravitas and Michael's right He may turn out to be the next Jimmy Johnson to be the perfect tire But it's a huge role here's the other thing and listen, I'm a big Mike McCarthy fan I thought he should have been the Jets coach. I wanted to be the Giants coach All right, the Giants are interviewing them today him today. What what is he gonna tell you that you're not gonna like? Nine playoff appearances in 13 years want a Super Bowl the reason he lost his job as Green Bay because he couldn't get along with Aaron Rogers which to me seems like a very difficult thing to do anywhere right Peter I mean this is a an established Hall of Fame quarterback I don't know doesn't get along with his own family right so that so what I'm saying is it's not that big of a deal He couldn't get along with Aaron Rogers Aaron Rogers doesn't get along with a lot of people and they made it work for a long time And they made it work for a long time And I don't think you got to worry about Daniel Jones ego getting in the way of this hire I think he'll get along fine with Mike McCarthy And if you know what 10 years from now if they don't get along and they want a Super Bowl who cares Right now. What's wrong with Mike McCarthy where I've got to go to an unknown college coach Who's never coached on the NFL level as a head coach and I got a bypass a guy with 13 years experience and a Super Bowl ring Here's what would work a little hard maybe if McCarthy comes in today and said listen I'm running a West Coast offense. That's what I run like he's supposed to have the McCarthy project the last year What he didn't do well what he can change The Giants don't want to run the West Coast offense on the East Coast with the weather here They want to do that that's not the type of quarterback Daniel Jones is if he's if he's flexible about you know What the offense could be and if he's gonna bring in somebody that's gonna run the offense with him That's the stuff. I want to hear I also want to hear if I'm the Giants and the people doing the interviewing What went wrong with Aaron Rodgers and when you talk to Mike McCarthy now And he's had a great PR push by the way when you talk to him now We didn't I'd have a problem with with Rogers and if you think about it how many relationships in in professional sports last 13 years You could see that Bella Chick and Brady they don't love each other. That's fraying That's coming close to the end. The fact that bro, you know, Brady is 42 years old that pushes it along But they don't like each other when you're in this sport and you have the kind of ego and a lot of these guys are just ego maniacs They don't want to be told what to do for 13 years Sooner or later. It just runs its course Tom Coughlin with the Giants ran its course probably ran its course three years before they got rid of them Yeah, right. Is that fair? Listen 13 years in one place is a long time especially when the quarterback is there for a while The Yankees ran this course and when when you're that long in one place, you're gonna run your course You're gonna rub people the wrong way your personality your little quirks are gonna get on people's nerves Maybe that's what happened with McCarthy. Maybe he's the complete nozzle. We have no idea But if from the outside looking in who's the guy who's a sure bet the guy was the Super Bowl ring or the guy Who has two wins against ranked teams in seven years as a college coach? I guess I think the guy with the Super Bowl ring is the surest bet