 This is the first meeting following the town meeting, so we're going to open up the floor for nominations for a chair for the select board. I nominate Chris Jarvis. Any other nominations? And we have everybody in favor of Chris Jarvis as the chair. Hi. Post. Chris, do you want to stand? Do you want to stand? I'm going to give it all to me. Order. All right. We'll move on to approving the agenda. Is there anything that's not on the agenda? Is there even more applications? I have potential appointment to the solid waste board. Yeah. Do you have anything? I was just figuring we could probably talk about it during the appointment of town officials piece. Okay. As an addition to the public monitor. Yeah. Okay. We'll move. Second. We're all favor. All right. Public comment inquiry. Anybody here that would like to bring anything up? That's not on the agenda this evening. Speak down. Okay. It's your main lead in 15 minutes. Do we just sit here and watch her? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Almost anybody. I've moved forward with Theresa's appointment for 6.50. You know, kind of the reason for Theresa's appointment really is after the town meeting. Well, it was kind of before town meeting day, but just kind of catching up with the winter season has been one that's been very trying on our budget as it has anybody else in the state of Vermont, including the state of Vermont. The last I checked the state of Vermont is about $7 million in the red on their winter maintenance budget. And our budget, just like everybody else's, is in the red. So it's just kind of an opportunity for us to go through, see where we're at now, what can we do to maybe lessen the blow of our overspending for winter maintenance and try to get our budget on track, but closer to budget. So Theresa's done a good job of putting a packet with some projections in it and everybody get that. So it looks just like your budget. And I put a memo on it. So we should talk a little bit about, obviously there's a lot that you're assuming. I mean, I just looked at the bills tonight to see, because Pam's processing AP to see what, you know, something that's come to light that maybe I'm missing. So 90 percent collection rate is actually what we have trended so far this year on 2019 taxes without, you know, just sending our little delinquent notices. So that's not bad. I'm sure you're all aware that we pay the school in full by June 30 regardless of whether or not we collect it or not. So, and I updated the budget with the school numbers because the state of country tax rate, you base it on your grand list at the time. And then when there's some changes happen, it changes. So I didn't make that adjustment in the budget. So I also have noted in here that rich 33 overspend the budget. But, you know, Greg had a point which was what we did when I say that is we took that overspent money out of 110,000 that you would have used for roads. So there's still a little bit of money left in there. But if you were looking at what we had originally hoped for the bridge was our $25,000 match, they're $175,000. So obviously that didn't line up. So we would be in a better position if we hadn't had the overspend on the bridge. You know, we would have a little more of that 110,000 freedom. Obviously I'm projecting, you know, 50,000 bucks for the tax sale. I'm anticipating that we may make out better than that. But, you know, I don't have a crystal ball. And at this point I have actually had a couple people pay off today. It seems like other big properties with land are going to have, will pay off. I had Sadowski said, Laoske's, Adolf Smith is going to pay off this week. There's still properties on there. One of the biggest ones that owes us the most money to seal and that's over 50,000. So we'll see what happens. So that's the thing about projections is they're just that, you know. And obviously our biggest revenues are taxable revenue taxes. So we kind of know, you know, that's what I'm using. So if we come into a better collection rate, you know, we get more money in than that's great. You know, technically nobody's actually truly delinquent until they miss the May 15th payment. But they do get pink notices every month. So I just kind of wanted to let you know about those assumptions. Some of this stuff too is if you went through the expenses. I don't know how Chris, how do you want to do this? So do you want to go budget by budget, like department by department? How would you like to do that? I think right now just kind of over a high overview right now. So with the winter, so Theresa's done the calculations in here for where we believe the revenue will end up. Of course, some moving targets there will tax a little more than a lot. As well as, you know, the collection rate being at 93%. Then there's our budgeted versus projected expenses that takes into account on the winter span. So right now, right now we're looking at a negative 32, 33,000. Most of it is due to the winter spend seeing in salt over time. Right. And the pay of the budget, the stack of payables that I just went through. And that has a $22,000 salt bill in it. And it has another like five or seven, five, just over 5,000 I think in repairs and maintenance. Because, you know, poor guys are just having to take them and beating on vehicles. I did talk to Alan about, and I think I put that in the memo. He's okay. He's like, I'm good with culverts. I'm good with signs. And he was just going to try to keep overtime to when he has to. Obviously, when he has a storm, I went so far as to speak to the contractor who cleans the town office. And told him today, I spoke to him today after he left, he came in and I said, look, there's a chance that you may, how do you feel if we tell you we can clean the town hall, but Pam and Kelly and I will just deal with the office on our own, you know, to save that couple hundred bucks a month. I said, look, we're running tight and we're going to be looking for everything we can. He had no problem with that. So, you know, we're certainly looking at everything at this point, purchases, or what's unspent to see, obviously what we don't have to spend, and where we can curb any savings. You know, the winter, I mean, the winter is our, you know, talentarious sign of how our budget goes. You know, if we have a fair winter, the music would come out of head in all of our budgets. And if we have a tough winter that we have, you know, between materials, well, one, materials were more expensive than should be given, like salt, head down open, obviously the weather events that we have, we've had winter since late October, so it's been a very pumpkin winter. That's right. That doesn't seem to be going away. And then a mostly storm we've got have been big storms that require, you know, cleaning the streets afterwards and, you know, fair over time. So, at this point, just trying to figure out, just wanted to have a discussion on, you know, what does it really look like, which we have numbers. And, you know, we do have a couple of months to, as a board and administration, kind of say, what maybe can we get away with not doing, what can maybe we push to the next year. How can we try to get this, like, closer to zero? What we get is zero. It's probably not, but at least we can make the effort to start. We can. And worst-case scenario, as I've said in here, is we don't transfer some of our capital money. So there is a fallback position here, which is not transferring everything. You know, I haven't transferred that last 12,500 into the Capital Improvement Reserve, nor have we transferred the 66. We got 78,000, but we haven't transferred yet into capital funds. So, you know, there's, so good news for us is we do have some money there that, you know, might, we might end up just having to reduce those so that we don't go into a deficit. I mean, it doesn't really make sense to save for something when you can't cover your operational expenses. So we do have a little bit of, you know, a fallback there if we need to. But also two things could, you know, we finally see spring. And that'd be a bonus. And, you know, we'll see how we do, like I said, taxi on collection and where else we can, and your, you know, cornerstone certainly will put a memo out to the Lister's office, the rec department, fire department, you know, Mark knows, I've already talked to him and just say, look, folks, if you don't need it, let's, you know, don't buy it right now. Let's fold off and see where we end up, you know, comes, come June, May or June. Now, I was looking at a few items, and these are mostly the areas that you said that you spend the whole budget. Yeah. In the department. Right. And some, there were some items that were under the, the budgeting percentage. Yeah, I'm sorry. We still have insurance that we still have another. So I just don't know if they get paid quarterly or. Yeah, insurance comes out quarterly. So we have two more payments of insurance, and one of them is in the next round of bills. So there are some, and I'm also looking at historically. Like historically, the listeners haven't spent their entire budget, but you know, we'll use this typewriter guy today, and maybe she will, you know. Like there was the street lights, which is $27,000, $27,000 budget on street lights, and currently we're at about 12. Yeah. So I mean, I would assume that lighting gets paid monthly. Yeah, we usually are. So I just, I wondered why that was. Why is so different? You know, because right now the way it looks like that, and that's a pretty big item that maybe there's a potential for savings. Is that when the public works? It's under parks and public places. Oh, thank you. You're welcome. But I know we have, you know, you have to, you have to. Well, we have that. Allowances in there for the lighting as well as we had put the new street lighting in. I'll look at it and I'll put it all right down. It's just a large quantity, so. But it is, you're right. And the I know of the two is, well that isn't, I know we put in LED bulbs last year. Maybe not really have some. I think we have to see what we're doing next week. Yeah. Actually Wednesday. I don't think that we've already purchased. Does this budget includes, yeah, great. Doesn't this budget include five brands for LED lighting? Yes. We took out, yeah. Yes. So there's one other expense I think we're going to have to do with some point is the repair of the fire station. We're good, I think right now. Yeah. We have, I just met with fire chief Friday maybe because you have some additional repairs there due to an insurance claim. So I did ask him about that on Friday. He said, look, what's, what's the statement? How do you think we're going to do that? I said, we have. You told me, you're pretty sure the number. Yeah. And we did. But he thinks that between the 10 we set aside and the 11 that we got from the insurance company that he thinks that he's going to be able to get it done for less than that. Yeah. And looking at the original quote from the adjuster, they did deduct a whole lot off of that. That he had evaluated and assessed all the damages to the, to the fire house. And then he, you know, had a, a depreciation that he had adjusted, which I think if you looked at the phone there was a whole lot of depreciation put in. So I think they're going to give us close to the actual value for repairs. Yeah. The only thing we'll be looking at is a thousand dollars deductible to come out of the highway. Yeah. And the adjuster came back out today. He was out there with Alan and Jason today asking a couple of questions. But like I said, looking at the original at the HD, they came out and did the original estimate. It was very little in there for that we lost. And Dave thinks there's some that he could reuse, like where there's insulation, he thinks that can be reused. And he said, you know, obviously some of it, Teresa, we need to open up a wall. And he said, then I'll have a better idea. But he was feeling pretty good about it. So I think that we will certainly be able to get all the repairs done for the money we have set. He knows that. He knows he can't go with that budget. Well, I was there when the estimator was there too. And he said that you open up the wall and you see something that I didn't, because he couldn't do that, of course. Yeah. If you see some crazy wall adjustment, well, we'll make it happen. Yeah. So I think we're okay. Yeah. I think you're going to be fine. Good. And you may, you know, who knows, maybe open my little bit ahead. But definitely on, you know, that's what we've since we've done. So. No, I think, you know, I got to think with, you know, some average luck on the revenue end of things. Hopefully the winner just kind of goes away here in the next week. You know, I think we'll be able to deal with this winner deficit better. But I do like the idea of maybe just getting together with the department heads and just kind of, you know, if you don't need anything right now. Yeah. Don't buy it. What's waiting for. I've already discussed that. We can. We can. It's a computer that we're going to get and get it in July. It's worked through that budget probably better. Right. Right. Well, another thing too is what kind of things we can do in the spring and summer. Yeah. We're actually going to be able to do this. Well, this is what I mean. Yeah. That's right. Yeah, we are. We will be going. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. So. I mean some big. Take it. Right. Right. It's putting that out to it. So you may see some savings there. Certainly. If you. You know, I mean, They're really not charging a tremendous amount of frequency. Right. And you can, you know, But that. Well, I talked with some direct commissioner and he's pretty happy about doing it every week. Because if he does, He gets called to call it to call, but what we drive last year was getting every week until fall or late summer. And we try to do it like a 10 day, two week rotation and that seemed to work out. Okay. Because they're doing. You're right. So if we get low, those hours, you know, That's definitely advantage. But yeah, you know, The elephant in the room really as far as money is in my point and in my opinion. And the one I've talked about this is. So. Where do we and when do we make the decision? Where does it stop? You know, Where do we use salt? Where do we use sand? We all know that sand is cheaper than salt. It's significantly cheaper than salt. I think it's very, very important at some point in your future to figure out. What are we going to do? We're going to keep saying everything that's black or a lot of the black and keep it black. Because that's what the people are asking for. Or do we switch to sand and sand majority of these places and use salt maybe downtown. Where there's gunners and we don't want to assault them together and mess with the flow of water and all that. That's a big conversation we need to have because it's going to have substantial effects on our budget. But also on people. People are going to, there's going to be a good to change. So potentially a change. It's going to be one section of people competing. You don't get enough. It's going to be somebody. Yeah. But at least it will be cheaper on the budget. You know. Again, where I come from we do a lot of things. It's a lot of sand and brave little salt and people kind of used to it. I think in the past that's probably the way that it was. We weren't sand salting everything. And we're not salting everything. We're salting a large proportion of it would be absolutely. A very large proportion of it. Because that's the expectation. If we don't we get people screaming and all of that. Last week or the week after, a week before, we put salt or sand down on Camp River. You get plenty of salt. We just sand it. And it was great. You could traction up and down it. But people were calling screaming and freaking out. It's not, you know, it's a mess. It's muddy. It's a mess. So, it's really more of a border level. It's a border level policy. It really is at this point. Because the guys are doing what they think they're supposed to be doing. Because based off of the feedback that we get from people in general. But I think it's beyond that. I think it's the point where we really need to have a policy in place that I can hand to these guys. Hand to people and let them know how we're gonna do this. I agree with you. We're talking about getting a little policy going. Because, well, you know, salt, it's a shortage issue. So you know that price is going to skyrocket next year. You may be seeing another 15% increase next year with a huge shortage of salt. So, I just think it's something to put on the radar. I think I want to have a conversation before I write a policy, because I don't know which way to go with it. I really don't. You know, I'm okay with salt being and doing what we're doing, but we've got another huge application to the budget, but I need to know from the board which way you want to go. So that we have some backing when we get all these calls from these people that are complaining that North remote and can't grow up or whatever, absolutely not saltable, you know. We might salt the idea would be to sand them until we could catch up and get to where they need to be and if they didn't put some salt, which is cut it with a pen and then it gets left off or whatever, but not what we're doing now. I regret what they've done in the past. You know, when you get, after a while you're able to get particles. Right. Yeah. Well, that's the nice thing about the sand too is that it's not like, you know, you're seeing lines of white or snow and whatever and the traction is there. It's just, it inherits most people now I think. So. But you get some places like the curb at the bottom of Camp Rook that's in the shade all day long and it freezes up. Sure. That last curve there, the captain, freezes up overnight and you can try to come down the next morning and the sand is into the ice and frozen in the air and people lose traction and they go too fast around that corner anyway. So again, that's a good, that's why we need to talk about this. Maybe that's a place to go there. Or maybe the policy is, yeah, we're just going. What are you saying? I mean, it's all, I get it. I just need to have some direction. We've got a platform in the budget, that's a big thing. And the budget, I mean, you can see, it's a huge implication to it. It's huge. You know, if we can cut that in half, we're trying some new material too, that we've got for money. We're trying some new stuff to see if we can use that. As a whole. Think about all these overweight trucks that get stuck on there. They have scales. Put that little sign on the side of most of them trucks, say. Doesn't that? Yeah, man. No, I would agree. We need that. It's just, you know, I've already told Alan about it. Put together a, the town doesn't have a barrage policy again. Right. Now, it's no different than, State of Vermont doesn't have a barrage policy, but you see most of the time the roads are bare, and it's because of the tourists, and, you know, it's become an expectation. But, you know, we probably do need to re-circle the wagons on them. That we don't have a barrage policy in the town, or, if we do, then the voters just need to know that's going to cost them a lot of money over here to do that. If we're going to solve it, great. But let's put a budget. It's reasonable to cover it, so we aren't overrunning it. Right. Unless, it's going to be one of them. And that boils down to, what is the expectation of the people in town? Yes. What are we going to do? And we need to have it in a policy, because I need CYA to cover my people's behinds. And if the board puts it in a policy, this is why we're going to do it. It's going to be, you know, during a storm, and right after a storm, we're sanding the asphalt. And then, if we see a nice issue, we'll come in and we'll cut it, so whatever, it's great. If you say you want to salt everything, okay. But we just need something. Because we hear it all the time. I hear it all the time. It's why you do it this way, and then the other side says, well, this is great. We love it. You know, how do you make sense? But why don't we put together some time here in the next month or two, to have some discussions on winter maintenance. And you know, sometimes people say, well, why don't you spend so much time talking about winter maintenance? But winter maintenance is a big part of your budget. It's huge. It's a big part of your budget. So, you know, maybe you can talk a little bit more as a board on, you know, how would it look like? Get some feedback. Maybe, maybe let the public know that would be a hot button topic for a month or two so they can get to the meetings if they're a downtown business owner or if they live up on top of Can't Work Road or whatever. So we're talking through this. It would be nice, at least I would think, it would be nice for us to have something like this together by the end of June, the 1st of July, that way we can get it out there to the town's folks. This is the plan for winter. Be prepared, you know, if, whatever, we decide to use mostly sand and just a little bit of salt in certain areas, then we're fair warning people that, you know, to make sure they're ready and it gives them ample time if we roll this out in late fall that it doesn't really give them a lot of time. But, at least now, we can start to hear the gremlins up front and then it allows us the budget for that. And if you get it done, you could send out the tax bills. Yeah. Because we're already doing a mass family, you could send out the tax bills. Might as well make, but comment would be honest, obviously it's to make sure Alan was here, but you might even want to have a conversation with Fire Chief and maybe, I need a local state troopers just to figure out for public safety where are they seeing accidents, where's, so you know, maybe that's part of your policy is you're going to solve these certain aspects, but they've obviously been here long time. They might be able to help you as far as where they've seen repeat accidents. I'm sure you could ask Fire Chief as they probably get called them all the time anyways. And part of it is going to be a little difficult just because if you start trying to set the, you know, a benchmark of, if it's four inches of snow with a lot of flowers. The problem that we're seeing here is that the environment there, you know, it may not be here, you get up on top of the camperok, it's blizzard. I mean, I was sleeping in my house last night, I drove down here to get a paper and it wasn't doing nothing. Right. So that's a little challenge to you, but I think just like for budget reasons, and I mean, just overall for everybody, just letting us know, you know, what, what do you want? And having people here to talk about it and hear that there was as much feedback as possible. Because I think what people want, it's all a little bit of work. And I don't mind hearing whatever they want, I just gotta have my manager. And I think it's pretty easy for us to come up with a policy. You know, one, you can have a village district policy, which might be, you know, you stand the streets and salt the sidewalk, to whatever that might be. And it allows the business owners as well as, you know, other tax citizens to come in and voice their opinion. Maybe the rest of it is, you know, maybe there are certain robes that we say we're in a salt that are black and all the animals are sanded, you know, right? You know, like, right now, East Bethel doesn't get a touch of salt. And Gilead Bonn-Half is paid there. There's no salt on that. But, you know, if we've got a policy, and this is easy on Greg to say, okay, this is what the sweatboard says. And, you know, it's true. My job is to carry out your wishes, so. But you don't want to be so rigid that you have to be able to react to a storm, a freak storm, you know, to come close and lead to a meeting. Well, that's why making the policy is this or, or else directed by the town manager. Maybe you're like the fire manager of the opportunity. Instead of policies or procedures, it's like a SOG, Suggested Operating Guidelines. Then it's not just harsh policy, at least, right? And I think we just have to get away from that. You know, if you give your employees, you know, a pile of sand and a pile of salt, if I'm the driver, I'm gonna fill up with salt. It's kind of my life, you know, that's one much trip, you know. But it costs you three times the amount of salt. So, you know, we just need to look at that. What the trade-offs are we doing? How are we looking at budget? Right. But when we did Can't Grow Up with Sand, yeah, I got a call that agreed it was a muddy, but not one person said I was sliding around. He was doing the job. That's great. And we'll just have to make sure that the comments are, you know, the, because it's a safe issue, not an inconvenience issue, you know. Sure. Sure, I don't think it's a policy act. Sure, yes. I wonder if the leaders got some guidelines from other towns, from other towns, to move for policies that have gotten written policies? I'm sure we can find something. Yeah. But I mean, Alan's got a good relationship with the other towns around us. We can get hold of their policies if they have one. Well, we can call around to our neighboring towns or attend a random offer. Because our policy is basically says that we will plow. To take it? Yeah, I think it says the school routes for us or something, and then we'll fall back. It's very, very small, if it used to be. And maybe it's not a policy. You know, maybe what Cherie said is just a general guideline just to allow the foreman or himself to make that decision. In some towns, in the bills districts, everybody's responsible for their sexual side. I mean, that's something you want to look at too, just to save the town, I think. Yeah. Well, why don't we make an agenda either for that for the next one? And do we have to start any more way? I mean, we might as well do it now. We have anything else pressing right now. Because at some point, coming when we'll have the water master plan and things like that, that's not too far out. Well, there's one big difference when we start that budget. Because if we go back on salt, we're going to have to increase the sand. So I mean, the budgetary is going to have to be before we really get going down to it. But I mean, it's on the forefront right now. And then if we could handle it, it's out in the next month or two at the end of the winter here. I'll tell you what, let's just do it in next meeting. It was March 25th. And we'll put it out to the public that we're going to have a winter maintenance discussion. We'll put it out to the public. We'll put it in as an item. Either we'll figure it out. So March 25th. March 25th, that's next meeting. OK, we can do that. We need money. Yeah, yeah, probably. No one will say that that won't. We'll do it next time. OK, well, thank you guys for wanting to get that out of here. Because I know that that's such a big holiday too. And I get both sides of the fence. It's one extreme and the other. We hate it, but I think it's great. And however it is, if it changes, it's going to be just the version on the ground. But at least I'll have something that I can fall back on and say, look, this is my diet document. This is the way we're doing it. If you don't like it, come talk to me. So in regards to tracking the projection that Teresa has, how does the board feel we should follow up with this? I mean, we do get the monthly costs and revenue. So we'll do two. Now you just get the monthly budget status report. Plus, I'll just give you an updated projection. Throw a projection in there so we can talk about that. So you think monthly is that'll give us three more points? It gives you two accounts payable. I mean, I'll do the accounts payable tonight. There's people. Well, pretty much gives us two more touch points. There's one for two here. Yeah, right, exactly. But two plus in March, we're now like to tax sales 19th. So we'll see what, you know, that looks like 19th at one o'clock is tax sale. You said what month? March 19th at one o'clock is tax sale. So, you know, by the 25th, I'll have all the tax, you know, know how I'm making out with tax. How many do you have left? Yeah. I have, let's see. I started with 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. And I have, 19th was tax sale, 19th, how did she say this? We smell. If you don't mind. No, I don't think so. I think I might be down to seven. You said what time on the 19th? One o'clock. One o'clock at ten o'clock. Yeah, there's a. So is our next meeting too soon to know the updated projection? No, I'll know about the 25th, because the tax sales 19th, so I'll know that day. They have to come in with cash in hand, so there's no right then and there what that looks like. And it will give me another, you know, two, I think I've seen one or two payables anyway. So, you know, we'll just give it to you at the end of each month, like you do now. And I'm gonna snide you to keep an eye on it. And obviously we're gonna put out, I'm gonna put out something to the department heads and speak to them and. So we'll follow up on this on the 25th. Yeah, because it's hard to know. I mean, you don't have, we can't cut anybody out of the town off. I mean, we've already done that. You know, we're already tight there. It's not like you have big staffing issues where you can, or there's a huge savings right there. You know what I mean? That's just not the case, you know, certainly. The Lister's budget is so small anyways. You know, you've got the wreck to run the pool and so. And of course, too, there's places where I projected that's been the whole thing. I'm not sure that they will. The Lister's may not, but however, you know. It's just a projection that's not the best of all. Yeah, you know, I like Crystal Ball, it's so cloudy. But we'll have a better handle on it each time. But if you have suggestions on where we could cut the obvious, which is cleaning or signs or culverts or, you know, that sort of stuff. I'd love to hear it. Cut the slip of salary. Oh, yeah, I think so. You're going to get it back. Yeah, we've already done this here. I mean, I think that's what I need in Compton. I think at the 25th after the tax that we'll have a little better understanding where we're going to fall revenue-wise. Yeah, and the good thing is two taxes were due February 15th. So it means I just sent out the delinquent notices. So, you know, we do see a little uptick when all of a sudden people get pink slip and say, I forgot to pay my taxes. So, you know, we might see a little uptick in revenue there. But if you see expenses that you think we can, you know, obviously we will look at, you know, supplies and SNAP, but electric's electric. Debt's debt and insurance is insurance. That's it, a lot of your budget is. You know, we don't run big budget. So it's not like we build a lot of fat in the budget. So when do you have to cut this? Well, why don't we get into the weeds a little bit on the next meeting after we know what our revenues are looking like? Then we can never give us a couple of weeks that we can each kind of look through and maybe add some suggestions of what we think. Also give me a chance to tell you that with, you know, to what Greg's thinking and what you're thinking and, you know, is this doable, not doable? Can we do a client run? Yeah. Of course, like, let's find out. Yeah. Maybe the first one. Also gives me a chance to look at water sewer to see how they're doing. Because obviously, you know, you keep water sewer afloat. So we'll see how, you know, how that budget looks. So, because we pay all their bills, so then there's a due to due from. So we'll see what, you know, I haven't looked at their budgets yet, but we can do that. Any further discussion on this? Is he here? I think it looks great for Trish. Thank you. Yeah, sure. You know, it's tough. It's kind of, I'm just guessing, if I call. I know it's tough. It's something we never were to have. We're actually having a discussion. Yeah. That's the main topic. Which is great. It's actually not waiting until the ship is. I mean, I don't think out in Harvard. I don't think there's one single, you know, citizen of Bethel that's gonna stand up and say that we did not have a hard win. That was a lot of comments at town meetings. Oh, this winter. Oh, yeah. You know, winter spend is expensive. It is, yeah, absolutely. So hopefully we'll see something great saving somewhere. Maybe get some big request or something. I hope you all get it. Donations at the town. Yeah. We'll have to stay going in by now. Paragon ticket. That's where it's not going to go. Thanks, thanks. Thank you. We'll have to go over that. We got the rules. And the rules and procedures. No, that's the next one. Well, that's down, not only that one. I don't know how that, you know how that did. Oh, it was just a, just a elected chair. So I think it's just a good chair. Okay. Okay. It's really nothing on that one. Well, we have to sign that. We have to renew that every year. We do. The rules. We have to be re-adopting and related to your information. Yeah. Not what you're talking about. Oh, okay. Yeah. Okay. And then the review of the select court rules. Everybody have a, then you have to select court rules. If you want to go through these individually or we all go through the way they stand, there's that chance. It's changed for a hundred years. You're right. Still got three lines on it, just happened to change for a hundred years. So you'll have to make your own lines. And reading through, there's, hearing through all our rules, generally. So. Do we do the motion? Do we have a long change? One, two, three, five. Yeah, we do need a motion to take that. I hope that we accept the, I don't know if that's a good decision to see this. Sorry. Are we good to continue the meeting dates and times of currently adopted or do we need changes to that? Just feel as though it's like we're, I don't think it's good to go around this. Let's go with the summary. Yeah. Well, the turnout would have to get better. So we'll continue to do the second and fourth Monday at six o'clock here at the town, six o'clock, second and fourth Monday. Yep. We need a motion to accept that? Let's do a motion for all of them, just so that we don't have to. I don't know what to do about it. We need a motion to accept the meeting dates as the second and fourth Monday of each month to occur here at the town. That would haul at six p.m. We'll move. Second. All in favor? All right. She said do this all for us. It's probably not a lot that I haven't done yet. Yeah. It's a part of the first one. You can take it. Yeah, all right, yeah. You got it. Yeah, if I go through the meeting, then it's gonna get more. And it doesn't make the newspaper a record. Currently, it's Randolph Carroll. Second. Do they give donations? Just, okay, we'll get a try. All right, so motion by a million, second by Paul. All in favor? All right, all right. Randolph. Move the motion. Linda, okay. We're trying them out. We'll mix it up a bit. All right. Randolph Carroll will stay as the paper of record. Designate the physical locations for meeting postings. Currently, they are the town office, the billboard here, the town hall, and the clerk's office. We do an extra one sometime at no sort of work, but it's not as it is, at least. Is everybody okay with keeping them at the three locations that we currently have them, or do we need to excavate? Do we currently come on the website? We do a physical location. We go on the website, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No self-discipline location, yeah. Okay. Entertain a motion to accept the current physical locations as the clerk's office, the town office, and the town hall. So move. Okay, all in favor? All in favor? All in favor. Yeah, designate the official path. I was thinking through the pattern, typically we just kind of, I don't want to say pencil with these, but usually we go with whatever we learned last year. The only thing I got thinking a little bit with the pound right now is we have had a few instances of animals that we've had to take, use my words carefully, but currently we're with royalty, which typically tends to be the more expensive choice in the area to service animals. So I'm just wondering if there's, I could see if we had a beffle option, but right now our options aren't found anyways. So there are two other options in the area, both of them are in Randolph. There's a Randolph veterinarian clinic as well as the cannibal hospital. So I didn't know if there was a conversation piece on, because I know we did have dogs last year that we took and it costs us eight in a dollar. So kind of view the way it costs quite a bunch of money. Yeah, I'm not sure if the other two, what that would cost us, we haven't really negotiated anything. What other things? I think the fact that we're here now is between the best and the most expensive. That's the location's more of it, yeah. And we've got a contract with them. I just, if we wanted to explore something else, we could have, we just had to kind of get an A on it, get a hold of them, negotiate for it. That's what it looked like. Didn't know if that was, it'd be good to look into them. Yeah, the price we had, it's a little bit different with the resource down here. The price was actually slightly different from what they were actually doing for our Randolph. That's about the time I took over. And we just dropped the cats off this too. Right. So we're just just dogs down here anyway. Where are we going to do it? I just wanted to maybe, maybe we could delay this until our next meeting and maybe just do a little bit of information. Hey, good PR, if I may ask, if you could get a look. Right. And maybe it should be the access, as well. Maybe they'd offer some set fee for prevention of that. Like, I think all three choices would have to offer, you know, 24-7 access, you know, in the means of that. Well, yeah, yeah, all the terms would have to be the same. You don't get 24-7, I don't think any. We haven't got it yet, but it's more than just, we're going to be done. I have access to that. You do 24-7 down there? Yeah. Yeah, I have a key. Well, is that something that you would want to take care of, or is that something that... Oh, I'll do it. Okay. Yeah. I'll do it. I just wonder, we do have to, I could see if we had our own pound in here in Bethel, you know, but means that all of them are out of town. A lot of it, too, is people drop them off. You going to be around tomorrow? Uh, I'm going to have to come. Okay, well, just see me and I'll get with you on what the kind of conditions are for this one, so we can, I can do that. Search for this. And the next time we get a dog, I was just thinking of just putting the canine on the side of the doors, and you'll be all set to go. You'll be all set to go. You'll be all set to go. You'll be all set to go. You'll be all set to go. You'll be all set to go. You'll be all set to go. Canine, C-line, we'll just put it all in there. I am going to try and get this one. Thank you. You've got a lot of room down, so I'll work with you. I can't, I can't. Yeah, I can't, I can't really. Well, it's one of those things that we haven't really had much of a discussion in the past, that we have seen this past calendar year, some bills that were expensive in nature, and I just wonder if there's an opportunity there to better service ourselves at this point, so. So we'll just, we'll keep it at the next meeting. Yeah. So we'll take it down. We'll let it down to the fifth. It's like Board Member 3DP Warren's currently, Mr. Paul's doing that, is that something you want to continue to do, Paul? Yeah, I'm working. If there's any jobs, is there anybody that would like the opportunity to do that? It's exciting. It's exciting. I'm seeing lots of Warrens in the last three weeks. So I would just entertain a motion to accept Paul continuing as the Board Member of Charter of Warrens. Hold on. Second. Okay, all in favor? All right. Paul, now we dig into the town appointments. I just want to mention that all of the people that are on the town officials have been contacted. Okay, they're okay. We'll take work. We'll designate that. The people you're dealing with is Bob Young on the solid voice board. But he's not. He's still involved, right? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I think he's okay staying on that, I'm sure. He's probably still on there for a year or two. Do we do it every year? All year. Everybody is every year? Yeah. Okay, okay. So what's that to your list? So I'll just go by what's on the agenda here. So the first appointee would be the first constable. Currently, Mark is in the role of the first constable. Oh, I'm sorry, by the agenda. Yeah. I just want to stick with the agenda. So I would entertain a motion to reappoint Mark to the first constable role for one year. One year. Yeah. It's all one-year appointees, right? And you could change that. Yeah. I'll just go by your sentence. That can't be changed to a two-year appointment if the board feels it would have to go through a public. It had to be voted. Yeah. But it is an option to have the role of the first constable. Kind of the two-town. That is what it is. Three-month model. We'll get that next year then. We talked about last year what I mean. You know, a lot of them are fuzzy from you. So that's what it is. The only thing I've said, you know, it's a point that anybody and an employee is, but that's what that's for. Yeah. So if something you'd like to point to me, if you'd like to think about it, we can definitely look into it later today. No more justice. We have to write it through a county. We will. We'll do it in a second. Okay. So motion is made by Moe. And seconded by... I don't think anybody did actually. Second. I'll second. All in favor? I'll not carry all the marchers close down. Thank you. Did you get any motion to appoint all town officials as they are this year or next year in one fell swoop? I think that would work other than the... We've got a couple to talk about. Well, yeah, we wanted to talk about the solid waste board. We thought that would be an add-on. But that will relate to who's already there. I'll do it all over the time, Brock. I just said that everybody on the loop was willing to do it again. So let's just get done. Well, just to get their names into the record, I guess we'll get to talk about it. We need to make one motion at the end. Okay. The panel keeper currently also is with Mark. I'm going to skip... I'm not going to include the spethyl solid waste board in this just because we have a discussion on that. Fence viewers, Derek Wright, John Wasserman, O'Brien, Tree Warden, John Hartlin, Wade Cole-Wood, Daryl O'Brien, Daryl O'Brien, Daryl O'Brien, Wade Cole-Wood, John Wasserman. We don't have it... We do not have it on the morning tonight to point Town Forest Firewood. Is that a pointy? Is that a pointy? Yes, it is. So if nobody... I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I'm going off the red or something last year. We had a fair amount of people drop off last year that were inactive. So maybe he's on fire. We did the same exercise last year. I'm not sure if you can see it. I don't know if you can see it. So I would like to say in motion to approve the existing Fence Viewer, Tree Warden, Wade Cole-Wood, Town Keeper, and the Town Forest Fire Warden, as it is. So we'll move. Second. Change in all favor? Aye. Then we have the Bethel-Worlton-Sella Waste Board. Our current members, Moe and Bob. So first, what I'd like to do is get a motion to accept Moe and Bob for another year on the subject. So we'll move. Second. Whichever is available here. Yeah, that's all right. They're not on the list. So I see Moe here. So who else do we have? There's Bob. Bob, you know. Got it? Might be another person to pull off. Thank you. Thank you. And then we did have, so, Judith has expressed telling us to fill our open position on the Sella Waste Board. Craig has looked into this of being that following Judith there. That going through statute, there wouldn't be any conflict of interest as there currently would be no direct financial or personal gain through the process. However, just wanted to get the board's opinion on Judith being considered for Sella Waste Board. Yep. You need to recuse yourself. No, I was just gonna say that we would use Moe on that decision. Is there any Sella Waste Policy? Yeah, I would think we'd have a Sella Waste Policy if it doesn't cover it. No, it's fine. Not in this position, because there's no financial, there's nothing that's... Yeah, but not because it usually refers more to... Right, but it's for a direct personal gain of some kind. That's how I read the statute. Plus, we have it in our personal policy which you guys are not really covering. But everything I read is fine. It actually even says if you read your emails, that it's really tough to avoid having family on the board in this whole time. You go to different towns and you'll be cousins and uncle. But if there's no variety over your actual personal gain to be had, there's not at all in this case. Can I make a comment? She'd be willing to step down if somebody else comes forward. That was gonna be my comment. Is she just planning on filling in the time? So we would continue to look for somebody to fill that spot actively? Yeah, we advertised for two weeks in the paper. And didn't give anybody. Do you want me to continue to advertise? I mean, I don't think that we want to... Maybe advertise or maybe buy a word of mouth of somebody else. Yeah, we can throw on some of the websites. I've been looking around. Well, it'd be nice to, you know, I spread it out to a few people that were interested in certain positions during how many days it would be nice to get on a committee. You know, one thing this means once a month, you know, it's not a huge amount. It'll get you into it. So if we are in favor of that we just need a motion to accept Judas to bring him to the solid waste board. So I'll move. Second. Okay, all in favor? I Next step up kind of the same as the reappointments here is the Central Vermont Telecommunications representatives. The current representatives that are in place are Matthew Washburn and Ian Stewart. They've been contacted? They haven't been contacted. So again, it would be a a motion to accept Matthew Washburn and Ian Stewart to another year's representation. And then this this one needs to sign. Just wait. Okay. And then I'll sign it. All in favor? All right. I've been told, but it has not shown up yet. Just to have a question, I don't know if you guys do not too many of the representatives and now you can see 12. You guys have 20 players so you can in there as they are. We do. So this will be we have multiple appointment times. Okay. We'll probably take care of most of the other ones at the next meeting. Yeah. We'll try to spread them out. It's not only we're still waiting to hear back if the representation needs to go into the year on these ones tonight or cut driving. It's a few months out. Hit and miss there as they come up. We have the blood season where we get a it was put right together with the we're on the backside of the communications. This is exactly from last year. Yep. Just update and date. What's good to me as long as Greg and Ellen have the right to in case of a lot of talk about muscle in the front of the motor. It's always been. We'll entertain a motion to accept the 2019 blood season rules. It's all right. We'll have to sign this one. All favor. Someone could explain to me. I am. I'm actually curious. I know I signed it last year and but I'm interested to know what because it's a trust but what is it used for? There's never been any withdrawals of the trust collecting interest. I research this with the clerk and what we found was it has something the trust was set up for the school and at some point it was transferred from the school to the town and we can't find the thing on really what it's for. Carol Katcho might have some interest in the trust of the public. He might. But originally it was for school. The purpose was for school. The school. You couldn't find out where all the the debits that went to I mean up until 2010 there was debits to the town court. Right. Right. I didn't do that part of it. We just looked. All we looked through was the file of the trust, how the trust was set up and what it. I didn't see the transaction. There was debits all the way up to yeah 2009-10 area and they were always in the $200-$300 area once a year so I don't know what it was. Wasn't that a big transaction volume up there? I don't think that's the lady. Is that it? That's the volume of the Campbell robot. That's why I don't know how it started with the school. At some point? I don't know. I don't know. That must be what this is for. Just for the brief. When I talked to Carol about this last year now that this is making sense he said really the funds are never usable because it has to draw a certain amount of interest before those funds can be used and never has or hasn't in a long time. That I think is a discussion I had with Carol last time. I believe this was set up when I was on the slide one before because his fake calories parents died and that was they put a monument up there. I believe at that time it was set up. You're probably right. But that big issue has been because we, I guess in the past it wasn't a lot of money, it's done to it because there was no money. The money wasn't coming to the town because it wasn't drawing an adventure song. It takes 20 minutes to do it. So that makes a complete sense. I bet that is what this is. I wonder if Carol and I maybe could come in and give us a history lesson on that. Sure. If that is what this is because he and I talked about it. Because it looks like it was 1988 was when the official first 10,000 was put in there and it looked like just about every year from 89 until 09 for 20 years every year money was taken out of it and it was anywhere from $39 up to $370. So by all. What you told me was it has to draw so much interest before that interest is paid. The last paid to the town trader was in 1998 and after that it was out of interest. It's been inactive for a while. I'll have to come in but the discussion we had last year was that it has to get to some sort of threshold of interest before 600 is what it's indicating. 600 before it gets any of these transfers to the town. Hey the town no interest as the 600 was not earned. So I think if the 600 is your minimum interest. You want to talk about the town? How it is. We can always get a hold of Jack. We can always get a hold of Jack and so we will do the end off. I know Carol knows the history. But he knows completely this because I asked the question last week. Do you want me to ask if Carol will come in and talk about it. Or maybe just have an understanding of what it is and what it is. Sure. Normie, do you want to see Jackson's? I'm sure he's in Florida right now. Do you want to table it before you sign it? Is there an opportunity if we can get the person here for the next four meetings to just table it and sign it? I mean, just be interested in knowing what it is. Because I was looking at it and trying to think, you know. Now that you've said it, that makes sense. I mean, the camp is growing. What is it for? Yeah, probably these withdrawals were paid to the Bethel Treasury for care. Exactly. And that's why they hadn't been doing it, supposedly, in a while. Because it wasn't, nothing was being transferred because it wasn't getting enough interest. So they were like, we're forgetting what I'm going to do. That's what it is, that's exactly it. Well, of course, you know, in the last 10 to years, the interest levels hadn't been at a rate that you were really going to. Maybe you're just 7%. OK, I'll reach out to you. And maybe you can borrow it. I can't trust it. I will reach out to you and see if I can get it. Yeah, I'm going to need to close whatever on that. We have the blackboard meeting minutes from the 25th of February. You're going to approve the one of the week before. And again, the amended one is from the board that should be looked at, right? I'm going to look to the cap. I'm going to change the motion to accept the meeting minutes of February 25th. I'm going to turn a couple of columns. I'm going to look at it. On the first page here, this third bullet item down says re-rated some of the board needs to emphasize that the human services line items are included in the bottom line. And I think we were talking about emphasizing that all of those individual items that we were going to vote on, the cruiser, the human services, the conservation commission, all of those were already in the bottom line as opposed to just the human services almost. Yeah. OK. These three. Back tonight, stay on that page. Huh? You guys stay on that page? Yes, sir. About three or four bullets down set the button. I think it's Seth Stoddard. Seth Stoddard? Isn't that his name? OK. I don't know. I don't know. Ah, I did. You're pretty sure it was Stoddard. OK. Thanks. Stoddard. S-D-O-V-E-A-R-A. Yeah. OK. OK. Page three. One, two, three, third bullet. Jarvis noted there's some feeling for the amount of money the town is spending working on the older buildings. So we were talking about the specifically the municipal town office and the highway building, public works building. What do you want to put those? Do you want to be specific to those, too? Specify those, yeah. We got a lot of other buildings. So maybe we could just specify those in the garage. The garage and the town office. OK. The force. Next page. Transfer station board is short two positions. I think we should say the transfer station board needs to show two positions. OK. That's all. That's all. Yeah. Big key. Big key. That's all. Big key. Big key. We're a garage staff every month, so if you guys come back, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Is that it? Are we? Is that it? Yes, sir. All right. Anybody else? Anybody else? To accept the meeting minutes as amended. I move. Your favour? All right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, my report is in your package, just a couple of bullet points. The first item on there is the work order software. So, the same software, it's called Spiderman. Spiderman. Spiderman. Spiderman. So, this is the same software that Mark has been using to do his reports. I actually got with the owner and the guy who was putting it together and he actually catered to the owner so they started looking for work orders. And I get it on the ground floor because we're the first ones, so we got it. It's $1,000 a year normally, and we're going to get it for $200 a year professionally. So, what it does is, if we get a call from, well, first of all, the software allows us to populate all these drive-down menus, which are, you know, our employees, our equipment, buildings, things like that. So, we have all the assets put into this software. And when we get a call for service from somebody, like, there's a pothole on Sand Hill because there's never any potholes on Sand Hill. So, that gets brought in and Kelly creates a work order that then gets shot out via, it's a web page actually, but it gets shot out via a web page to whoever it is assigned to. So, the item. And then Alan can then say, okay, AJ, go fix the pothole, whatever. AJ has the ability on his phone, and this is all done through their cell phones or a tablet or something, because it's a web page. He can go in and say, okay, I'm leaving at 10.15. He does the work. He gets back. He says, okay, I got back at 11 o'clock. I use this truck. I use this detergent. What that does, the intent of this is not to track the guys of what they're doing. That's not what this is. What that does is all those drop-down menus of assets that we've populated that with has a value of access to it. So what it does is it allows me at the end of the day or at the end of the year to look, during our capital plan process, to look at different roads and look at different structures we have and see what that thing's processed for every year. A nice other feature it has is it actually has a flag, different color, but it flags each pothole. So I can look at the map. After a year, I can go to the map and look at the little red dots where it calls me. So if I see that we're talking about redoing Camp Brook next year and I look up the map and there's been 30 calls on Sand Hill, that's additional data that I could use to bring to the board. So maybe we need to look at changing our awkward thought here. Because this road is costing us a lot more money and a lot more calls. So it does that for us also. It also helps us with FEMA. So if we have a FEMA issue, so we have another flood hopefully, and this is a very early process and the nice thing about being a key thing is we get to change calls. He calls up and says, what do you like when we don't like it? If we tell him, he'll fix it for us. And he's done that well with my catering because I was the first one to know. But all our costs and everything are assessed by FEMA rates. So I think we have another flood. If we're tracking our men power and our equipment correct because of the software at the end of it, I've got the value. I've got the cost right there and it's pretty popular basically. Nobody can see this information other than myself and a couple others. Like what people are making and stuff like that. The guys can't see any of this stuff. They just put their time and it populates it. It doesn't show them any numbers. That's just for me only. So for $200 and being able to be the guinea pigs for this thing and allowing us to cater it the way we want it, it's going to pay us back 100%. We started talking capital planning. Saying it was bad is one thing but if you've got something showing that your call volume is on in one particular area, there you go. That's a no-brainer. So pretty excited about it. We're going to try to roll it out. We had training last week. Pretty simple. It's all well-based. So we're going to try to roll it out with the guys next week and kind of see how things start to shake out. Yeah, right now it's just going to be the highway and Morgan who's kind of a little everything. If it works, eventually it'll be water. It'll be nice about a water break. We populate everything and at the end of it we start looking at water repairs or pieces of capital, new water links. We can look at the map and say where it's costing us all the money. So pretty cool stuff. Maybe at the end of the testing period or before we have to re-out the membership for a fee or whatever. Maybe just bring us back some information and tell us how it's going. Maybe show us a report or something so we can kind of see how it's going. It's pretty slow once we get it going. We can generate reports kind of like in the market to show you the total volume of what we're doing and cost and all that. I like to be able to assess the cost at the end point because the whole reason to do it, to choose a capital to set it up. We also don't have to go back and physically backtrack something that happened a year ago. True. We have insurance funds. The trees go down like we had before. As long as we're traveling all of that is right there. It's all on the server too. It's all backed up. All this is a web page for us. So pretty cool. Everything else is pretty stuff that we normally are doing. I am already writing the water ordinance. I'll give that to you soon. It's really just a clarification of the water ordinance. It's not a full law for you, right? But I'll give that to you with some clarification and I've added some language who pays for capital improvements and stuff like that. It kind of brings it in mind with the sewer. The sewer ordinance, it's got some other language. So it makes it consistent with the sewer ordinance. So that'll be to you pretty soon for review. The one time truck I talked before the meeting a little bit it's killings. It's trucks killings. It's down again. It's got turbo problems or something right now. I don't know. So I'm shopping around a little bit. I've been in contact with a couple of four dealers to see what sort of trading value they'll give me. What I'm contemplating is seeing how you can find a used smaller type dump truck that will plow what can't brook. This truck is one time that we have it's evident that it's the wrong equipment. It's being used for something it should be used for. So there are a lot of used truck places out there. The state has an auction in May. There's a lot of different places. So what I'm trying to find out is if I could possibly get my hands on a couple used pickups like a half done pickup that the guys used during the summer and maybe I'll take a plow, I don't know. But they use it during the summer when they're doing all their normal stuff. They're fixing stop signs. They don't need to load up a one-time pickup or a dump truck and take it out of the site. They can take a pickup, a regular truck and go. So a couple of used pickups and a used dump truck with a plow. It's already off of it. If this works out right and the thought is that I can get last year I did this exercise at Ted ring four and my training value is 55,000 dollars. It's amazing to me. So hopefully I'll come back and say it's 45,000. At least that kind of tells me where I'm at and might be able to get something. I may have to get the little trucks with two little pickups from Ted ring. But they've got used equipment. They've got used pickups. And then hopefully there's enough cash left over that I can shop around and look at auctions and things like that to get an actual dump truck. We've got the smaller truck now in town that can cover the little side of those and all that. That's all covered now so we won't really need that one ton to do that. Anyway, if there's any thoughts on that I would love to hear them. That's just kind of my initial idea of how to dump that thing in pickup and get some other equipment that we can use. We're going to be putting so much into that that we're never going to be able to do that. Right. If you get a pickup and it breaks down a little bit well, okay, you know, that happens. Probably not as well as we'd be spending on the one ton. But I watched last year not only does that one ton run all winter and get beaten up, but it runs all summer long. Everywhere. If they have to go check a road or take a freaking one ton to check roads why not have a little workshop or something that they can jump in and away from. So that is my initial thoughts. I love any feedback that you got. Good or bad, whichever. Is that going to put more pressure on Morgan's truck to do, he'll be plowing all the side roads in town and driving on his drive? He's doing a lot of those. Right. We are also going to look at redoing all the plow roads anyway to try to make it a little more efficient. The idea with this truck would be something that's small enough, it's not as small as one ton but something that can still navigate around these paved roads. Like a low profile kind of thing. So no, we're not going to put it all the way down the road. He's already busy enough trying to do the sidewalks and everything else. He's going to take care of these little streets here. Oh, definitely. That's what we got. That's what it's for, yeah. But Allen does north road and he does camp road and all that. The idea with this truck is still do that. And if we switch over to part of the reason the one ton a big reason why the one ton does camp road is because it's same. It won't do same. The aggregate is too big or some issues it will resolve but it won't do the same. So that's why it kind of has to do with some of the other roads. And more destruction is not big enough. So anyway, that's kind of where I've gone with this a little bit. Again, I've got the word out to these dealers just to see what's okay to die here when they're going to give me. But I think that thing that started here, that thing has been broken every, we get a half a storm out of it every single time. So it's warranty, but a lot of it's not and even the warranty stuff is costless out the nose for downtime towing everything else. That's the big thing, downtime because you've got to take that in account of the cost of what that truck is actually finding. It's down. You've got a man there. Right. That in our back of the truck is Morgan so he's wearing that truck down that camp road down to one time. So something needs to happen. The money is not in the budget to buy it in one time. It's just out there. So I'm trying to make something happen if and the only if that trading value is $45,000 or whatever. I think first it all depends on what the trading value of the vehicle is. Sure. I mean, maybe, you know, figure out if that's the true value of it. That's what I'm doing. Like I said, that's the big comeback plus the others know how to make that the idea sound rational. Why are we not plowing Rochester Mountain with a big truck? That's a good, and then you have the same question. Part of it has to do with I think this, I've been told from guys, part of it is the salt. So he's plowing it because he can salt it. The other trucks don't carry salt. They carry salt. Understand that. But during the storm you're right and that's why we're going to look at this to rouse the salt to redo it all. Because the idea I think of Monite's discussion is that they either portion or they go apart and cut in, but it might be it probably makes a lot more sense to have them go all the way out and then come back back. They can push a lot more snow without breaking down. And then all they gotta do is say, hey, I've grossed out some of it now. The small section. Right. You're going to redo all that in there. Well, I don't know how much we're going to be done but we're definitely going to look and see if there's a way to make this a little more efficient for everybody. Because, you know, I'm sure it's going to take quite a while. You'll eat that one. If you're very single at all, you need to have your truck on your side. We do. You know, that's something we'll look at. I don't know, maybe you have to go to David. I'm not going to comment on this, but if maybe you don't need it, I don't know. I think we do for some of the other roads and I don't want to overwork the little 350. It needs into it. I don't know if I can say that. Right now, just a contingency plan is to try to get some equipment, even though it's used to equipment, but the guys are very, they can fix this stuff. And as much as a one-time breakdown, even if we get a new truck and we cost us 300, 400 bucks to fix something, which fit it out on a weekly basis. Like I was saying, the three said we really don't have any money to spend for probably the next two or three years. And the capital? Yeah. The capital plan doesn't show a purchase for two to three taxis when you purchase a dump truck. The first 13-1, I think. The majority of them are fairly new. That's my name. Yes and no. See, that's the one that really has the most problems. The big dump trucks seem to be doing okay. But the one-time is the killer. Maybe you just want to look at your plowers and see what... He said historically they replaced the one-time every five years. We do a seven-year or eight-year rotation on our dump trucks. But he said they replaced every five years. So it's obvious it was the wrong equipment that we had to replace it every five years. And it's at its five years now. That's why I started it. It means a combination of you had past its heydays, but you also have a very long winter. We've had a lot of storms. A piece of machinery is working that much harder this year. It's not really the ideal... Right. He's equipment for the road too. He's running all over us all summer long. I let him do everything all summer long too. I just think I... He just makes more sense to see if we can get more bang for our bug and put this thing away from us. Especially if it's an off-road, $55,000. That's crazy. Anyway, just to head it up on that. When I get more information... Just check that website out. Yeah, I will. I've been on a couple others. There's one that the state does auctions, but they have the auction house that they use as a website. And they have all these different auctions that you can get on and check out what people have paid in the past. Most of the state equipment that's sold in auction has already reached its usable life. Could this be used for us? Right. And I'm sure that any kind of website is a chance that we're taking. But again, if this truck is a low-profile kind of thing, it'll sit in the garage all summer long. Won't be used. And we'll use the little pickups to do the jobs and then the winner we have the truck that we can use. So anyway, I'll bring that back with us. Other than that, that's really all I've got. Everything else is kind of just status quo. We do have, again, for everybody out there in the newspaper, we've got the tax of living March 19 at the town office. You were on the appraisal for the bill of doom? Not yet. That's in the hands of the river Conservancy at this point. So that's my report. The planning study grant is that for the town? Is that Jose's plan? We haven't seen any minutes or anything from the planning commission in a long, long time. Is it possible to get some kind of an update from them? The planning commission? I haven't seen any in a while. I think now it's just like three members. Yeah, yeah. It'll be good if they can just get an update. Sure. But that is, so yeah, it's a planning grant to do a rewrite. That's right. That's being led by two members. What about the watermaster plan? Watermaster plan is really close. 95%. We've got the comments. We returned the comments. We're just waiting for the final. One of the things, there's a couple items I know that they are not. What kind of thing are we going to do? One is how often we want to dive in tanks, especially in tanks. We want to do it for two years, which is twice as much as we would normally do it. It's a cheat. If you will, with the state to see and go lighten up on some of the requirements. I don't know. So I think that's kind of what the whole process is. So is there anything that we can just talk and pick a look at? Or is it cool to hold it up? Didn't I give you the draft? I have a 100% draft of this document, but once it's done, it's really the only time. Because things have changed since that 90%. Our base project changed, some of our other stuff changed. No, it's going to be coming around in about a year. It's got a lot of stuff to... Yeah. Well, I'm working on the next grant, so we're working on doing another... It's a planning loan. It's part of the same loan that we had before. But the nice thing is I actually got the initial tank inspection, which they want now. Even though it's early, they want it done. I got that really into our planning area. So we don't want to pay that pocket right away. Which is $5,000 or $8,000 whatever it is that we saved. But it saved, like, deferred if you want. So that application's been done. So we'll start that. The next step, honestly, is we will... The report will determine the base project, if you will, which is the one that's the biggest one and the most need. And we will do engineering on it. We are required by the state to do engineering on it. And that will be done through that same and we'll dive the tank and then we'll move from there. Once it comes back with the design, we'll try to fund it. That's how the state wants us to do it. But as soon as the document's done, you will see it. What is the P-A-C-I-M? Passive is our insurance carrier. So I had the representative come out months ago and do kind of an assessment of all of our different sites. So the sewer plan, all different places. And look at potential risks that we are for BOSHA. If BOSHA were to come out and do an inspection, then we'd be held on. And he put together a whole list of things. So we've been going through as simple as things like changing the batteries and those all the way to documentation and things like that. So we've been addressing all of those as we came. We've been addressing our safety grant when we get here a year. So if we have any that are outstanding, that are high probability that are outstanding, we can't get to grant. So we've had to address all of those. Just to be aware, I mentioned earlier, we're out in the police department and we've got it all offered for that. That's happening this month. I'm going down after Bethel for that. And then later in the month, they have a school shooting type train that's taking place in whatever couple trains. Do you see that? Yes. Get everything. Select board institute. I don't know if anybody has it. If anybody wants to go to what, just let me know. You want to go? It's in Rockwell this year. Let me know how the SAP can run on that train. Friday the 22nd. It doesn't look like a good day of SAP until that day. It's the 30th. Oh, then why doesn't that play? Yeah. 60 bucks. 60 bucks. We're going to take it out of the date. We're going to take it out of the date. We'll sign up. Anybody else? I don't know about that date yet. I don't know about that date yet. We'll entertain a motion to enter an executive session and discuss.