 I'd like to ask what your thoughts are, especially if you look at the current movement and people trying to flee the war-torn country. And you know, the question would be how will this impact neighboring countries, for instance the likes of Ethiopia, Egypt and the Sahel? Well Sudan is occupying a critical space on the African continent. There's been a lot of talk about, of course we are concerned about Nigerians who have been trapped there. But there are also a lot of refugees. Many people don't know that Sudan is a transit country actually. You have a lot of Ethiopians, a lot of Eritreans, India thousands in Sudan, waiting to transit to Europe as refugees. So you have a huge number of different nationalities caught up in this conflict. And so it's not going to be easy at all considering the fact that they are scattered across the country and also given the nature of the conflict. We are having a conflict in what you call fully built-up environments. They are not fighting in an open field, they are fighting in built-up areas and that complicates everything. And you also find that in this kind of environment, even the commanders may not have direct access to their fighting troops on the ground to pass information to them. So when you negotiate with the commanders for access, you also have to factor that into your plans because it takes time sometimes for their own instruction once they reach an agreement with you for their own instruction to reach their troops who are actually fighting. Because most of the time you don't have electricity for those troops to charge their communication devices. And so oftentimes you have this breakdown. But I am optimistic that there's been a lot of pressure to have a ceasefire. Initially, it was not exactly working. But the feedback is that the ceasefire is reasonably holding. And that's why you've been able to see various nationals being moved out of the areas badly hit. But you know, the consent now is, do you think that this particular need for survival will impact on neighbouring countries? And what would the impact be? Do you think it would be positive or negative if that's the case? What exactly are we looking at? The impact of conflict on the country in conflict itself and its neighbours is often not positive. But I can assure you I don't have enough time to begin to elaborate on what the likely consequences would be. We need so much time to do that. But what I can say straight away is that you are going to have a disperse out of persons from Sudan itself into all the neighbouring countries. If I just draw a quick parallel with the conflict in Liberia and Sierra Leone for those who can remember, you will recall that we had a lot of Liberians in Nigeria. Imagine how far Liberia is, but we had thousands of Liberians in Nigeria as refugees. So you would definitely have persons being disbursed into neighbouring countries. And I think many of these neighbouring countries have actually been receiving those who are fleeing from the conflict in the Sudan. Now there are so many other issues associated with the disperse out. You have the strategic ones, the immediate ones are these ones that we're dealing with in trying to get people out of Hamsway. But you also have medium to longer term implications on the neighbouring countries. You know, you are going to have possibly something which I also have not seen being discussed. Several Sudanese militia who have been disbanded, but who are no longer accounted for within the country, probably spilling into neighbouring countries and also possibly compounding the security problems there. And when you talk about this factor, it's important to also recognise the fact that between Nigeria and Sudan, we have only Chad separating us. And we have Chad separating us. And then on top of Chad, you have Libya. Libya has already collapsed. And we've already seen the implications of that in Nigeria with regard to how it accelerated the Voko Haram crisis. Now, God forbid, if Sudan should collapse, I don't have time to begin to reload. But I can say to you clearly, there are not less than eight to ten various militia groups that have been fighting for a very long time that have a vast amount of weapons and there can be a big problem, you know, for countries as far afield as Israel, in the African Union and the Intergovernmental Authority on Development, EGAR, and perhaps maybe also the United Nations do not step in now and try to mitigate what is happening and find the lasting solution to it. Well, let's quickly move away from that. But you also already know that, you know, drivers were conveying Nigerian students or Nigerians who were in Saudi and in Sudan and at some point had stopped, you know, the trip because of payment issues. Do you think that this could have been handled in a better way instead of leaving the student in a worse situation where these drivers conveying students from Sudan, you know, to a point where they can be picked up or, you know, moved back to Nigeria, they just stopped the trip. So the question is, do you think this could have been handled differently? I won't be able to answer that directly because I'm not there. I've been in many conflict areas and I can tell you that things are not always what you see from a distance. Number one, when there's a conflict, there's no business. And so when you have a situation like this where you can hire trucks, those truck drivers are going to charge an astronomical amount of money. I'm not holding brief for anyone. I'm just talking about the reality, not only because they may not get another business in a long time and so they charge as much as they can, given this business that has come their way, but also because of the risks that are involved. And also, I am not too sure who is selling fuel in Sudan at the moment. I don't know how they will get fuel, but this is what they are supposed to take care of and sometimes you are not able to completely ascertain that the entire chain of the entire logistics chain has not been compromised because you are eager to get your nationals or your citizens or whoever out of the way. And so some of these people might now start playing games even after they've agreed with you on the price. And I'm not saying this is what has happened. I'm just telling you the kind of scenarios you can get. Sudan is a vast country and I think that the choice of Egypt as an evacuation point from Khatum, I think is a very good choice. Simply because once they get on the road to Merui, which I think leads to Luxor, which is what I read is the point, actually the Nigerian evacuees are supposed to be going through. There is the added confidence that Egyptian security forces can provide added security for those on that route. And it is unlikely that the rapid support forces or the Sudanese armed forces will venture towards the Egyptian border to create any problems. So for that reason, I feel is a good choice to pick that location. But I'm not in a position, like I said, to exactly comment on the logistical arrangements, other than saying that you may not always have a full group logistical system in an environment that is in total chaos. Hopefully they can sort out the problems that have emerged en route. And just before we let you go, what lessons do you think that Nigeria can actually learn from this Sudan conflict and crisis? Again, do you think that we have learned anything from past experience that has happened with other countries, especially when it has to do with evacuation and response time? OK, I'll address this from two perspectives. First, let me talk about the government. I think that the management of Nigerians or the foreign relations of any country is done by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. If you look at what is happening now, we have the diaspora commission taking the I assume is taking the front lead because it's the one making all the statements and speaking about everything being done. We have the National Emergency Management Agency, whose operational area is just the territory of the Republic of Nigeria. Also making statements, you have the Ministry of Foreign Affairs not being very visible. I think we need to correct this straight away. It is the job of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to manage Nigeria's foreign relations. We are citizens trapped in a country. We have an embassy in that country. And even when we want to evacuate our citizens into neighboring countries, we are still going to rely on our embassies in those countries to make all the necessary arrangements. And I assume that they are doing so. But I feel strongly that the Ministry of Foreign Affairs should be taking the lead and there should be only one channel of public communication. So we don't confuse the students and the Nigerians who are involved in this crisis. There should be one clear channel of communication and that should be the spokesperson of the Nigerian Ministry of Foreign Affairs. I hope that the lessons that have come from there will enhance better preparation going forward. Talking about what Nigerians themselves can learn from this. From my experience working in a number of countries, I found that many Nigerians do not like to register at the Nigerian Embassy. You might have up to, say, 10,000 Nigerians in the place and only 300 will register in the embassy. And when I try to talk to them, to encourage them to go to the embassy and register, they tell you things like, well, what has the country done for me? I don't have any business with them. But then when there's a crisis, you are expecting the same embassy to know how many of you there are and to have a contingency plan to evacuate you. It's not rocket science. It's not going to be smooth. So my advice will be every Nigerian citizen outside the territory of this country go to the Nigerian Embassy and register. And in particular, those Nigerians in places like Bokina Paso, Central African Republic, Mali and other areas that are prone to conflict or are already experiencing conflict must make sure they go and register in the Nigerian Embassy so that, God forbid, if things break down completely, at least the embassy knows how many people there are and those whom it is supposed to plan contingency and make contingency plans for to ease the evacuation, should it be necessary? In other words, you know, the DAS for a commission, you know, shouldn't have been a case, but that would be a conversation for some for another time. It's been a good job. I'm just saying that in the management of our foreign relations, for example, we've had comments from certain officials that should never have been made because those such comments can damage relations between Nigeria and other states in my personal opinion. So it's better to leave this to the Minister of Foreign Affairs. They know the kind of statements to make and they know how to manage tensions that may arise in this kind of a scenario in the relationship between Nigeria and those countries. Well, the DAS for a commission is it's not, you know, an illegal commission. I mean, it has some legitimacy of government as well. But like I said, it will be a conversation for some of the time. Thank you so much, Adebayo Loa Kei. Hello. Hope you enjoyed the news. Please do subscribe to our YouTube channel and don't forget to hit the notification button so you get notified about fresh news updates.