 Hello Joey speaking Yes speaking Yeah, we can have a chat for sure Yes That's sort of sparked online Yes It was more just about the the language Yeah of just some of the language you were using in the interview We ran a poll and the question was is it right to refer to farming as rate murder and slavery And we had two options and press was no It appears highly offensive to victims of such crimes and the second was yes it is exactly the same thing and We had about a thing. I mean we've never seen so many votes in one of these polls had we had about Over a thousand votes and 80% was no, okay, so The poll that the man is talking about was one that was in the metro Originally, it did have 80% say no But then when some ethical people found out about the poll they evened out the votes Well just because people have voted no that's an appeal to popularity, okay now those words Describe the exact act we are talking about okay, so when you're talking about taking a Being's life that wants to live okay now you're forcefully taking their life from them Murders a word to you to describe that now word murder isn't just an anthropocentric term I mean if you search through the Murder is not just the premeditated killing of one human by another there's other meanings to the word So if you look in the dictionary that word is actually Has non-anthropocentric meaning to it as well To do with humans Okay, so The term slavery I mean to enslave a being These animals are not free. Okay, they're they're they are herded in many cases. They're caged They exploited for their bodies Okay, and they are killed when the farmer determines that they have no liberty. They have no freedom So if they aren't if they aren't enslaved, what are they are they free? I mean others don't understand what the problem is with that word within they are enslaved They are not free. They are not free to live their life as they please now What was the other one rape? Is it is they have a problem with rape? So rape rape murder and slavery, okay, okay, so the act of forcefully So forcefully penetrating someone Sexually in the in the in their private parts. I mean, I don't see like Like we could just okay, so let's let's I don't see why that isn't rape I don't I don't see why that isn't I just don't think they see the victim as Worthy of using those words. I don't think they see animals as victims But let's just steer away from the semantics right now. Let's just steer away from the word games Okay, and let's just how come people want to talk about the words and don't want to talk about the morality of the act Itself they steered away from that and the farmers did not address the act itself They wanted to play word games now. Let's change the words of what we're describing is happening to animals Let's just say when we're killing them against their will. We are forcibly Penetrating their private parts, okay Okay, we're doing they are doing that to them. They're molesting them. What what words do we use? Um, they are Taking away their their freedom their liberty. They're exploiting their bodies for monetary gain Okay, now now now, let's just take away those words and and how about we talk about the acts I mean with the public vote. Yes or no to that It's just the words, you know, like probably some of the most powerful words we have in the English language They they do what the animals are going they they those words still do not do what the animals go through any justice They're not powerful enough no way like have you seen what happens to an animal in a slaughterhouse my friend You've never seen what happens to an animal in a slaughterhouse my friend. You've got to watch land of hope and glory It's all current RSPCA approved high welfare red tractor approved abattoirs and farms in the UK land of hope and glory Watch land of hope and glory.org Okay, watch that and you tell me if those three words are more offensive than what's actually happening to animals Okay, land of hope and glory land of hope and glory org show that and do a poll to the public and say Oh, do these words do this justice? I mean, I would like to see that the thing is my friend The public haven't seen what we've seen in my eyes Those words are nowhere near as offensive is what we're actually doing to pigs cows chickens fish lambs Nowhere near as offensive for someone to have a sandwich with the flesh of an animal That's been thrashing in a gas chamber and just wave it in my face and an activist someone who whose job It is to stand up for these innocent animals. That is not offensive, right? I'm ridiculous for claiming that that is offensive But for saying to someone that they're murdering an animal when they're taking their life against their will that's offensive Like where's where's the logic in this? I just don't see the logic. I mean Yeah, I mean I totally understand people's perspective I mean the majority of people that you are you are putting this poll out to They haven't seen they haven't seen what happens inside of an abattoir I've been inside of an abattoir when they're decapitating animals, okay? I've been out the front of a gas chamber while they're lowering pigs into gas The majority of the public haven't so when you put out a poll Well, I rarely use the word rape. I don't know why they're saying that I use the word rape I explain the act But because people play word games with me and I don't like getting lost in semantics, you know Like it steers away from the what I'm actually talking about Okay, which the farmers wanted to be more offended offended over words than what they were actually doing to these cows She didn't even address the fact that they send all of those mothers when they don't produce milk for them anymore to the slaughterhouse They don't mention that part. They don't even want to entertain what I was saying Yeah, yeah I will never not refer to the animals as slaves because they are I will never not do that Okay, that is an injustice to the animals to not refer to them as slaves Okay, because they are not free all right, they are Inslave for their reproductive organs for their bodies. They have no say in anything. They have no choice now Just because they can't voice They're suffering just because they can't ask for freedom. They don't want to be enslaved look at what happens to them Tell me what it is. What what word would you use some medical terminology like insemination or likes to take away Yeah, but it's against their will that they have no there's no consent So we're taking away consent if you artificially inseminate a human they've given you consent to do that Okay, doctors will have consent to artificially inseminate a human. Where is the case? Where is the consent from the animals? So we have to add that into the context. You can't just say it's artificial insemination. It's against their will Forcible impregnate I've never actually publicly used the word rape recently I don't know why people have where where you've got that from go through my videos. I mean Yeah, I mean rarely use it I rarely use it because of silly silly tactics like this people avoid avoid The issue like people like yourself my friend like you've never seen what happens to an animal in a slaughterhouse You've never seen cows have their children stolen from them and bellow out and have seen Bobby cars be bulked under the head You know like you've never seen gas chamber footage, you know, like But if you just you know, you want to say that words are offensive I mean, this is what the type of thing we're seeing in the public and I understand the backlash I totally understand it and I don't blame people but I just see I just see innocent ignorance. That's all I see Is it you know? Yeah, I understand that my friend but you're paying for it to happen your your your money Pays slaughterhouse workers to stab cows to death without I'm not putting my money into those industries I buy vegan burgers vegan pizza. Okay, not not gas chambered pigs Okay, you're paying for gas chambers, you know when you eat animal products, and that's what we're saying the public Ignorant to something that they are funding they are causing so that the blood is on their hands Do you understand? This is why they need to see it if they weren't causing it I wouldn't go show someone who doesn't abuse women You know footage of women being abused because they're not they're not responsible for that the person who commits the act is but they are Literally responsible for animals going to slaughter. Okay, it's supply and demand. That's how it works So, I mean I've got an email Yeah Well, I'm just trying to educate Non-vegans. I'm trying to educate vegans on how to advocate in a respectful manner I mean, I don't know where people think I'm being disrespectful. I mean I speak with conviction. I do and passion I Explain things how they happen. I mean What I'm saying there's factual basis behind it like a people can look right into what I'm saying what I'm saying is just Basic welfare high welfare standard for the dairy industry. I mean it's written into the books You can go check it up yourself the guidelines are standards. It's all there like, you know I might say it with passion because I'm passionate about it, but You know Yeah, my tour is about trying to wake people up like you yourself who has never seen what happens where his foods come from You eat you eat the stuff dude. It's in your body You know, you're you're digesting the flesh of an animal who didn't want to die Screamed and suffered in the gas chamber and you've never seen the process How can you put something in your body that you don't even know? How it's made where these animals come from looked into the eyes of an animal before they've been killed You know what I'm saying Sort of Yeah, brother like what what you want to be ignorant to something that you're putting down your throat like And and like people want to say like I've seen you know on Twitter posts that I'm forcing my views down people's throat They're literally forcing the animals bodies down theirs. Okay, they're paying for animals to die They're paying for their death with their money and they're forcing animals bodies into them into their throats Okay, forcing pigs into gas chambers Through supply and demand chain. I mean, I'm I'm merely asking people to make better choices to make more ethical choices On behalf of animals if they were dogs, okay, like in Newland China, which I'm probably going to go to Euland To speak up for the animals there. I mean it would people be so Against me if I'm speaking up for the dogs in Euland Do you think they would? You doubt it that'd be on mice that'd be on my side wouldn't they What is the difference I Think good people keep dogs as pets. I guess that's the only difference Peaks are just as pigs are just as Playful and can be you know just as beautiful companion animal. They have the capacity to do that there's no difference between a dog and a pig that justifies a knife in the pigs throat and Justice to a dog. What difference do they have? Yeah, but in the dog's eyes and the pigs eyes they're both the same like when you look at it through their eyes Yeah, so this is what I'm talking about brother. It's just it's pure Programming people program to believe that dogs matter and pigs don't this is what we're talking about. It's discrimination It's baseless discrimination And it's written into the guidelines for the save movement that it's peaceful love-based approach Okay, so this is all written in there So I don't know where they're getting this militant vegan thing from never met a violent vegan in my life They care about chickens and fish. Well, they heard a human. I don't know But we stopped the truck for two minutes and we bear witness to the animals that people are paying to be killed Okay, and we look into their eyes and we say sorry that we're trying Okay, and we bring the photos out for people like yourselves to see Okay, so you can see that your food had a face and didn't want to die Okay, and this is a very powerful form of activism and then we We go on to the streets and we advocate to people so we have polite discussion It's called anonymous for the voiceless and we we show slaughterhouse footage out in public So we bring the slaughterhouse to the eyes of the public so that they can see where their food is coming from And then they can make a a real choice because how can you make a choice? If you're not educated on that if you haven't if you're not aware of all sides of a choice, okay How can you make a choice? So if you haven't seen animals in a slaughterhouse? But you still choose to eat them. That's an ignorant choice. That's not an educated choice Look at what happens to animals in a slaughterhouse Okay, and then make the choice to continue to pay for it And that's what anonymous for the voiceless is we're basically Showing people what happens and saying hey, you know, you don't have to support this and we educate them That's all we're doing. So it's all peaceful. It's all nonviolent And this is this is my exact point I haven't always been a vegan I don't think I'm superior to people like they like they're claiming I used to eat animals probably more than anyone else three times a day steaks for dinner You know pigs bodies for breakfast chicken for lunch So I know I've been on the other side as well and if someone come up to me and just politely said to me Hey, Joey, you know that pigs suffered in the gas chamber that you're eating right now. I'd have been like wow Thanks for telling me that a but you know, I prefer to know the truth And do you remember the website I told you No land of hope and glory Dot.org. Check it out Thank you very much Do you reckon you've got the picture got the message