 as we're embracing this strategic imperative of diversity, equity, and inclusion. Do you have any perceptions of where we are or how far we've come? I'm an old school teacher, so I will give the church a C-plus. I give the church a C-plus, which says that we're trying, we're working at it. We're not, we still have a ways to go, but we are working. We are working, which is, in some ways, good. In some ways, I remember my parents saying, you know, we're not going to see this inclusion thing happen in our lifetime, and my parents did not. So, and inclusion is, I struggle with that. I struggle with that word, because for me, I just want to be me. I just want to be a black female minister in Glenda Mayberry, and I think each individual should be who they are, and should be accepted for who they are. And I think that's the problem, is that we don't accept people for who they are. Are you hopeful that the United Methodist Church will live into reality of true diversity, equity, quality, as you mentioned, and inclusion? Am I hopeful? No. I would prefer it. Do I, I think it's possible. Do I think it's probable in the near future? No. Because I think we have a long way to go as a church, because we do not address the elephant in the room. We do not, as a church, we skim around it, we go over it or under it, but we don't actually address the elephant in the room. And as a matter of fact, Bishop McKee and I were talking one day, and I said to him, Bishop, until white men, until white men stand up and say, this is wrong, it's not going to change. I said because white men are in charge of the way things are today. And so until you stand up and say, not just you, but the blanket, until you all stand up and say, this is wrong, it's not going to change.