 Let me ask you a simple question. From the time the UPND took office up until now, is there any positive thing you've seen from them to date? The positive thing about UPND, about shifting them kwae, katwishi nomba pahundoa manashan. Bantu nga na ya kufiabunga, yo kuen na katwishi. Nga na ya kuma hospitals imitita kudi. Wa ya kumiko, dibadi filu fianya o KCM kwae, fibadi kufika kasabani. Nga wanyan kuisa tunne wuki shenemi. Kwa agrikautja mkwa efetraiza, fewa fe chimbi chimbi, wantu wari aka na fe mutu ma menda, jibishi enkukuisa kanshiku, nga kutumgae. Ku transporti. Kufi fimbi fimbi. Wa president weni. Wa president babe, pa fechirabu shiku. Nga wabuka, wa pupu wufi. Wa pupu wufi, wa pupu wufi. Wubu shiku bale na ndokutina, na ta kwa kaveshido, ta kwa operu shedding. Next thing, road shedding is all over because bad is Tisha manai te aretuwa chile generating our patrotic front. As patrotic front, tira twa ishile mkwa utengan 2011 pariwa anda lasat. If we, fwa wami turefumuna kwe imemili. During that time, to wa jiboku tira, the generation of electricity was only about 1.6 to 1.7 megawatts. By the time patrotic front was leaving office, it was over 3,400, 3,500, 3.5 megawatts of power that was being generated. Meaning that in terms of domestic conception, there was no deficit. We actually reached the point where we could also export. But mkwa na ndokutina, na ishile mkwa utengan, na ta kwa kaveshido, na ta kwa wami turefumuna kwe imemili. E ichibam boku shisha as we are contributing to a poo, mkwa. We never went into contracts that would deprive the Zambian people because we saw the anguish of road shedding when PF got into government. Some of us were privileged to be ministers in this government. The anguish the people of Zambia were going through road shedding. We were determined to end it by 2020-2021 road shedding in Zambia we had said goodbye. And therefore we didn't expect that a new government that had even been promising and criticizing the issues of road shedding will come and sell power, requisite to other countries at the expense of economic activities in your own country. Look at the concessions. Amma concessions bapere kuhabana kuhuma mines for example in North West and others. Instead of cutting through the sender kuhu in undara through taxes abama wuteku bwanyu wali bapere kutuna mule senda mule chita mine nukusendo mukuba without paying the expected rate for electricity. Amma taxes itware fwa kwa turepokanga bapatotiku front mule chita we attempted to introduce sales tax later on we said okay let's go towards the mineral royalty just from the mineral royalties these people are supposed to pay we have lost close to five billion dollars now five six billion dollars but Vaka in Deichilema he said has chosen that he would rather go and borrow or get beg from IMF 1.3 1.4 billion dollars atx other than generating that money on your own why would you render yourself surrender all your rights to your resources and then go to the same people that you have surrendered your rights and whatever to your resources and start begging eifutu randuku atingaba patotiku front ifu we are determined kubutu muru shuwa kwa wa edi galungu barandu rukuti datu ala kubika muna zambia pan times ababa sumuna ababa ambibani ingreba dekon kamunuma itisha kutila kwambira mu independence kwa isa fika leilo turesanga kutila tureruisha kumusungu kuatata afilishe tisha tini kechapua you know nshitana tui wa supposed to generate our only resource solutions that's why even our negotiations z2a reanda IMF we insisted that we will not go in any deal unless IMF wasumuna to accept the locally generated solutions and economic packages for recovery because of the effects of COVID-19 effects of climate change the floods and so on that affected us at that particular state during waluungu toa lisa posa kusana manu kugulime fetraizda toa re toa rapaime me junu nishii umu provinces fetraizda naifika trafika kuma augas september nishii ama farmers nama mboku pokirira padoste umufundo na seed eichu toa re kuwata bamba havest after bamba havest nangura toa re kuwata fiyo wua wua wina wua fiyawa drought na amaflans batitia kuli amuzan betracha resho time nambatu nga fiyo fiyo tutracha randa kuli fiamalite toa lisa leshia ishtaneshita kutira awe wunga nangura matabat twira toa la kufia rofimbi first umu no kutira desh food security muza mga eichu mamu no kutira regileisho ni amutengu inana fodebo atana fodebo lebo was done abanesu roba ishi re wafiki refe musamo basangama sheds nai surana mataba wa alo lekesha before they can produce their own wa ambire festi wa ishtisha ama sheds umu namu kopa belutumu na kushama po insto re kuwata ma sheds ni amataba namu ya komu kasa naka kuli umu ewe dani kuna kundora umu e nga namuki itue umu e kuchambeshi pa rengamu na mola pa muso pa la pari tisha eti chika namba itja mataba tapaba panto mataba basi ishtisha eichu musa muza kutira nomboku unga wamboku sesani wamboku shota matavana wamboku shota eichu nombore itutumu kutira yo wamboku kula ishtisha wamboku kula ria lola miyo not breakfast mukwa e uu teko gulingiru kwa frisha vena zambia kulengu kutire fintu fiana komu tengu wamboku isadira vene kwa dinena lalia lola kona lalaya breakfast nanda kutimu tengu na unaga ifibada iti taba ipndi fia kufia musa lula fia kwa zi wambu wambu wambu wambu bafilu fiana fintu nombom wamboku tutumu fia yo tefilingu rukubai yo mu tube mwa nanda kutira jibinda mo aiche aria imo aishika no buti imina a hanta who's not experience they will go and catch one animal and forget that they need that same trap to catch another they go and destroy it ifibada iti taba ipndi kona na ula nanguru kushika wuchinga pantu bariwi na maileksion 2021 amena zambia wubada itum pika nuku kusa lula 1 dewa kwa fia mu 20 mu 20, 20, 26 fida fini wana nanda mu tube mba kutira wubu changeshi waka kwa kuru bumbi kutumpa ino kuture iti tefintu kule mwa kutu na wuchinga lakansi kutumpa nekutu tan cha kusesan traps you so all what we are saying is that there are a lot of concerns of the people of kopa belt people of mundora are supposed to apply themselves before you cut me you know that baruba mine has been crossed it's a loss of jobs why because people don't care about the local people I want to multiply you have a number near 3515 so once I'm up in that they are going into more poverty because even just a simple thing to elevate them into civilization by them having access to electricity it has been made even more difficult who in our communities oz kutu api ano kuma kumbon mwa sumawanga how many can afford to pay 3500 just for connections before we talk about you know issues of buying electricity and so on but actually you know sorry to cut you short the defense has always been that you know zesko is trying to arrive at cost reflective tariffs that hence the increase in those charges zambia kutu ila cost reflective tariff what it means by you know cost reflective tariff in zambia israeti walefua kumia kusafsi you know what kuchi ingiro kuchi tika cha kutu ila kubu teiko and eukotu wale itchale ingiro kutu ila maa mining companies and so on wamboku support by your position mu nando kutu ila to walefua kumia inda nama kuba nongi bale yaba nongka kutu wale kuba pinna mu nangu wushabakawain amma mines dionse yei in yei out they are seeking for concessions wubu teiko muwutu fumishaiko tu iradi pina umutengu amara itipao at the value of that directisy to a generating but these are people making huge profits though they keep on declaring losses if you are declaring losses it is expected of you to close the business because you are not making any money but we know they were making money and every time you change the tax regime they protest and next thing when it is towards an election they then say okuanshi would rather support the opposition yaba ediganungu ba adi corrupt fulafua okuba pinna yaba ediganungu ba adi tele compromise the lives of the Zambian people by accepting some of the offers who have been offered from the mines in some of the mining entities but we know they are not able to do that each of them is able to go up and into the opposition that's a reality but these countries where these mining entities are coming from some of them they subsidize their farmers do you know that in america they actually pay farmers daily farmers even for milk that they will not be able to sell just because they have to balance the economy by making sure that that sector is not destabilized why is it that they are insisting that we shouldn't assist our poor people who are infarming by giving them physics what has not just possibly worked effectively is a system of graduation maybe this year to next year after that they graduate and begin to sustain themselves and go on the open market that system of graduation is what has not been implemented because both opposition sometimes those who are friends were in opposition at the time us would try and be a bit responsible in opposition maybe answering the question that Mr voice of the voice list was talking about will not engage into inciting people towards irresponsible actions no that will not do but we want that the disaster in the agriculture sector is resolved so that the people can produce where we are going this year watch this month of February we are going to be queuing up for minimum in kawahitastated in usaka it has started kwa liwa maqsiyopu kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa usaka shishibi bunumundara ako atina umo bunga boafika alantu baledu de rapansi nga maingirata badea kuli badea badea estisha pati wiyo kwa yam kuli pili indara mukwa tatsendo wunga kua yatsendo bunga fest era nombayan for abadea abade estisha abadei pili that is what is happening kwa syarafi panu no nomba tukambo tukambuku munefia kusama pasamba we need to stop that so that we can preserve the peace and the tranquility that Zambia has enjoyed for all these years from independence the biggest problem tukua etemu liwa UPND akutira by UPND naba estisha naba ipe lesya ingechi bumbe rocha if yalofia were turned from the west led by the americans if we erotwani mugu teiko wa amerika variants nisha na nisha na naba naba kufuwa akutira ba lungu nga bade fukuwa tukwa furisha ba piti di se mugu teiko wasuminu ukulete fufia gei nama lesbians ii tichintu globally na ikoseria shiri dasa wukamu na monokutira wa amerika naba pasimana lo yakunando kutira any afrikan kantiri irekana ukulete fia these abominable practices of gays and lesbian rights amerika ika moku kanika monandu akutira most of the afrikan countries have rejected those erin practices including zambia, right? unfortunately it was including zambia when we were in government so you're saying it's been allowed now? I'm not saying it's been allowed but I can tell you that there are maneuvers to try and please the masters of this government the masters of misaka in the itzema around those issues that's how come they are workshops that are being undertaken in this country they are programs of wanting to start educating our children around that yarema buku wa ba tuare sambi nama yari jelita na mulaenga fadi afumi amu nama kwa di mama buku yakutira wa re ranga umu omenu mua na kashi yari hati umu omenu mua omenu at husband and wife with their adopted child without realizing our children are being brainwashed at a tender age with a pope that Kuntan Shibakambuksa advocate that it's a human right umu omenu mua na kashi wukupan ihichu munandu akutira wa UPND vadi vadi sa hi kuminkanyako as a party kuri wa Libro Network no kusumi nama konditions hecho the western countries have supported the UPND and even to push them into government the details of that we can discuss in another day but itchabi pachakutira wa haka hindi itchile manaba towe funde yobatushiri reba kawunda wa kawunda erutua pokirubuntu umum 1964 wa alisa sarapoku tumgirira mua zambu afrika ifindu fiweli one zambia was among the front line countries nifufu wa tua dikuntanshu kubu isha untungabanesu wa zimbabue wasa afrika wa namibia wa mozambik nabambia wa shara wa shapokirubuntu umabai that time wa kawunda ba dikuntanshu na suwa izambia yaa dikindi kuichiwa chonse gawafika kwa amerika wa yakuuropu gawamunanda tizambia wa ishibu kutira urie intu umrushi aripupaku wa la kawunda was one of the heroes akutabi filia wa sefia wa neonson mandela kutira he is a great hero the greater hero is akutabi kawunda because mandela nga difili in prison wama fili shokutira mandela afumena kusunga famili yaa kuna kusunga wa Nc kuna wa tabomba kiwene zuma bonsebari karamun stetas kuna kusuna nama kawunda otherwise aparta izi regime would have wiped out all those freedom fighters that's why in Dwaakusa afrika they celebrate zambia the more than we celebrate ourselves ba kawunda chivi icho ba sadirepo was to become the leader of the nana nani movement pamanavan nerere waran bire kucharo kutira ifuenga wa afrika wa zambia wa tazana nabambia ma countries tatrefoio munturu onse kwa mbukura sadira ama nesu tukasana ama nesu according to our interests so kwa mbira muriba kawunda we have always been nana nani nana nani means that ine ifuenga zambia amerika utuwa ama nesu pangkomo ine bachainababa ma nesu but ifuenga titi kakuribaba UPND nansu terminal dokat they were sponsored like that they are beginning to take sides with amerika on everything when in fact they know that the right thing is not even to take that particular position ma ni ma nufutu ofo terepari rashana utren ifuenga wa zambia kwa mbira muriba kawunda muriba chiruba muriba monawasa muriba rupia banda muriba sadira tana monuwa lungu we will not take sides with anybody because those are internal issues we will only contribute through diplomatic efforts to resolve the conflict between Ukraine and China and never take a side why? because we are not aligned we are friends of Russia friends of Ukraine we are friends of America friends of China today you are getting sentiments from the UPND that suggested they have don't want to have anything to do with Russia they don't want to have anything to do with China batuwa fyebade terepari kakuribaba wakutira inun shita mucha no globally the super power that has been made in this world is not America it is China because they have been able to surpass America in terms of economic development they have surpassed America in terms of technological development and so on even I am electric cars do you know the companies that are already manufacturing electric cars they are in China so African countries are supposed to properly position themselves and not be cheated by America who is desperately trying to continue to maintain its stance if we are to ring kupusangwa mumu-muluwi trade war between America and China that's why to ringro kanyabaka in the hrema in instance we are sending the reakwati now we begin to align ourselves that's not what our forefathers left us with that's not what other presidents have taken as a stance would rather be friends with everybody after all we are just a developing country and in rating with these countries to ringro kukutangisha interest here is Zambia not interest here is Sungu not interest here is Kufi aloyo it's the interest of the Zambian people that's why in Tungurushi nomba shutua relandat shibinga mugabe in Tungurushi shutua relandat awinashikari shen nabam museve nabambi baremonu kukutela kanshibari kwaite amano kuchiraba ama itjabare isa mu nandu akuati ababare kwa compromise kwa deka rupia na kalu kusanguna Tungu utubare va pera warufia na filosofia chalo wambu kula estrafifiabutu ufutu untungu which is bringing poverty in the country