 Labour Party wanted to include in the definition agreed by the Labour Party and its code of conduct. I think we can show that to you now. It was withdrawn actually because there was pressure put on the Labour leader but he wanted this to be added which is nor should it be regarded as anti-Semitic to describe Israel its policies or the circumstances around its foundation as racist. Would you have liked to have seen that included? Absolutely, I think that would be an incredibly important clarification when you look at how IHRA's definition with examples has been implemented elsewhere. So, UCU has implemented it which is the electorate's union and after that you've had the names of events having to be changed or events being cancelled. You had an academic put under inquiry and it's all to do with this particular sticky point around the creation of the state of Israel. So you think the creating the state of Israel was a racist act? In my personal opinion yes, it displaced 700,000 Palestinians but my question for those who think that this protection shouldn't be in there is do you think that someone who thinks that the 1948 NACPA was racist should they risk being reprimanded, suspended or expelled from the Labour Party because if you think that that is in direct conflict with Article 10 protecting freedom of expression? I don't quite have the same view on this and I think the content and the context is important. I was a member of the Home Affairs Select Committee when we looked at anti-Semitism in the UK and let us not forget I mean this is an issue that goes beyond the Labour Party anti-Semitism unfortunately which is racism is on the rise in our country and we've all got to deal with it but the way that we approached it as the Home Affairs Select Committee is first of all we properly consulted with the Jewish community in fact the first witness we took to give oral evidence was the President of the Board of Deputies. We recommended that all of the IHRA, the whole definition be adopted including all of the examples. We did suggest the addition of a clarification to be clear that it is not anti-Semitic per se to criticise Israel without evidence of anti-Semitic intent. Now had the Labour Party adopted that approach right in the first instance I don't think we would even be having this conversation right now we would have been talking about the things we should have been talking about over the summer the social care crisis the fact that this economy is dysfunctional the fact that our NHS is in crisis we would have been able to talk about all of those things but because this wasn't dealt with properly in the first instance we have ended up with this shameful episode scarring our reputation for being an anti-racist party which is one of the reasons why my family started supporting the Labour Party in the first place so we've got to put this thing to bed and deal with it and we haven't. Alright people will ask Ash if creating Israel was a racist act which you think it was many people will think well where does that leave you does that then extend to dismantling the Jewish state of Israel? Well it depends what you think dismantling the state of Israel is so Joan Ryan and her letter to Jeremy Corbyn said that respecting Palestinian right of return for five million Palestinian refugees is itself a denial of the Jewish right of self-determination because it would no longer be a Jewish majority state. The question that I would put to other people is do you think that's anti-Semitism or do you think that's respecting UN General Assembly Resolution number 194? So do you feel let down then by Jeremy Corbyn? I think that there is room for hope because there will be another NEC meeting there will be longer clarifications up to vote and that is an opportunity to do the principal thing consult Palestinians and protect them in this code of conduct. I was just going to say it's probably worth noting that the reason why that more fulsome lines that Jeremy Corbyn preferred he wanted attached to the definition the reason why that wasn't adopted was we understand because of the opposition of John Lansman the founder of Momentum and Rhea Wolfson who's another member of the MEC both of whom are Jewish so it's worth noting that even amongst you know people who are very supportive of Jeremy Corbyn there is there was opposition to this position. Do you know what that goes to the heart of the challenge we have in the Labour Party which is too often issues are seen it's the same with Brexit as to whether we adopt this people's vote or not it's all seen through the prism of what you think of the leader which ignores the actual issue at point and until we break out of that prison as a Labour Party and also accept that we are a broad church and there are different opinions on things that don't just revolve around the leader we're going to end up in this kind of ditch that we're in all right bring us up to date Lizzie on the Scribble poisoning case back to Russia we have to we have to leap from this back to Russia now