 There's something that's not widely embraced but should be, I think, is he gets a kid in a math class and they already have some established interest somewhere else and they'll recite the following phrase. I will never need to know this for the rest of my life, why am I slogging over it now? I think that's the wrong outlook because that ignores what hoops the brain goes through just to solve a problem. The statement would be true if learning was, I will learn all the things I need to know to do things I will one day need to do but that's really not what learning should be because that ossifies you into whatever was the hot topics at the time you were in school. A more powerful posture would be having had your brain trained for thought and analysis and processing information and then if there's a new thing you've never seen before you will just attack it with vigor, attack it in a good way, another way because it's an unsolved problem and you can't get enough unsolved problems. When I talk to younger people about this kind of thing there's a lot of hope involved. You're 37 so what's a younger people to you? People still in college. College? Yeah, because I get hundreds and hundreds of emails every day from people who go I want a job like yours, what was your career path and I tell them seven years of college learning about something I don't do anymore and they're like I got to skip all that but it becomes very tricky to show people that life after college is one better in many ways because you have more freedom over what you can learn and what you can do with the knowledge and two that it's actually worth pursuing because when you're in the middle of this funnel, this siphon where you have to learn different things that you're not crazy about and apply them in ways that are often mildly torturous It's tough to convince somebody that you're going to want to do some parts of this for the rest of your life and apply them and use them. Yeah, so but that's why education has to be not only here's a here's a craft and here's where you're going to apply the craft. It's got to be how is your brain wired for thought so that when you confront the problem you've never seen before you will attack the problem rather than shut it. And so much of learning is the preparation of the mind for just those situations. The fact that you have students in school thinking that what they're learning has to have some direct application otherwise it's not useful to them is that's a tragic state of affairs under the educational umbrella if that permeates the system. That would mean everyone would just have to be taught a trade. Then you go out and lay the bricks or smelt the steel or whatever they do and steel do they still make steel yeah China okay that's the right answer to any question right yeah yes in China yeah they do it in China.