 Choose your free seeds wisely, but every time you know if you do this every time you're not just gonna get one pack of free seeds I'm gonna be hooking you up as the new lines come out and everything Because that's how we do our friends that help us. You know what I mean? So it should be done Yeah, man, that was that was some heavy heavy info and I Loved it. I loved it Like I don't know that there's anyone smarter in this industry right now than Mooney Yeah all right Thank You mr. Johnny Snipes for recording this for everyone. So now we can upload it to YouTube and have it live And not just live but recorded post-recorded pre-recorded post-recorded for anyone to watch at any time. So yeah, thank you very much See Gee So yeah, I've told you guys about some of my craziness going on with my Landlord and shit finally have all that settled everything's gonna be safe taken care of I'm really stoked. Like I said, I have a bunch of seeded plants. Those are going out of town like with my father And the other stuff's gonna go somewhere else the veg stuff So I'm really stoked that it's amazing to have such good friends that are willing to do stuff like that for me They're deleting cannabis channels. They can suck my dick Yeah, we're gonna be having Mooney on more often and probably DSG labs and a few others I'd like to have on and just Man, I think people come to these live feeds because they want they want to learn They want to learn about breeding and they want to learn about cannabis in general and you know There are channels like bubble man's that talk about s extracts or hash church, you know, but Yeah, I have to move this stuff out, but as far as breeders go, I don't think there's anyone teaching breeding I really don't and and considering how many people call themselves breeders You know Mike does some live feeds that are excellent And and of course there are breeders who are more shy about being on camera and I understand that because there are some amazing breeders, but He just got banned from YouTube for 90 days. Damn, that sucks. What's up green dragon? Yeah strain history Tissue culture tech anything that has to do with breeding or it can help breeding I want to I want to I want to be the best source of info for that for for everyone And when I bring on guys like Mooney, I'm learning with you guys, you know Can you really teach breeding you could teach breeding basics you could teach breeding terminology you could teach breeding You could teach everything except the hands-on stuff really You can't teach people how to select you can't teach people how to properly test their lines Stuff like that. It's really hard to do either you have it or you don't either you understand the plant You don't and you cannot teach ethics exactly bittersweet. You can't teach breeding ethics I can try but I can't instill that in anyone But I can teach you I Can't teach you all the basics of breeding words that you should know, you know terminology and I can give you advice on where to get more info to learn even further, but nothing replaces hands-on approach to breeding and Like I said, you know, I've been getting a lot of questions from new up-and-coming breeders people that are new to everything And they want advice lay down Murray and they want they want advice on What they should start doing and I gave the advice, you know If you want to see evolution in action quick and you want to see your trait selections is done fast practice on Auto flowers, you know, and I think a lot of people didn't get the reason why it's just because auto flowers have a quicker germination to flower to finishing flower Time than anything else so you can get through several crops very very quickly and You could do it while having your plants in 24 hours veg if you want Yeah But the other thing is and I say this from time to time Learn the base lines learn the base lines if you want to become a full and complete breeder to be able to Recognize those baselines and other lines Recognize those traits learn how to select those traits if that's a trait you want Learn the baselines that and baselines being skunk one be familiar with multiple kinds of Afghanis Hays of course original haze Northern lights which can also, you know Afghani's northern lights are pretty Pretty similar for all intents of purposes most northern lights that you see are 2x5 That that's the most common northern lights that you're gonna see or 5x2. I don't remember how it was written and What else skunk haze northern lights Pupup up up up up Afghani I know I'm forgetting a major one here What's the major one I'm forgetting anyway learn the baselines That's gonna help you so so much in the future for breeding and and I was lucky that my mentor taught taught me that I don't think many people teach that northern lights number six is quite different. That's from tight trichome technologies What's up, mr. Cuban yeah blueberry isn't necessarily a baseline, but it's a good one to learn However, I highly recommend not running the new blueberry, which is very very Indicative I recommend the old blueberry sativa lines kush is would be involved with the afghanis and northern lights so That kind of covers that But just learn those baselines even public kush because public cushions and so much different stuff people don't realize that Once you learn those lines even super skunk would be one Then you will chem dog is not a baseline. No not even Once you learn those you'll be able to identify everything on That note. What's the makeup of riot berry right berry was just like every other fucking legendary line It was a bag seed Actually, it was a jar seed if you want to get technical was that came out of jar a jar It was a P a PNC. No, no, no, no What was I working was it called it was a BCC beneficial pair collective San Diego I was doing I was growing in the back for them the bud that they were selling But they would also buy a bud bring it in this dude who he's a well-known older breeder in San Diego And he brought in some cherry cone kush, which is his strain and it was really good really dank But it didn't smell like cherries at all. So I was never sure why he called it that and then he brought in What was labeled as strawberry cough and I asked the owner said what is this because I saw that had seeds in it He said oh, that's actually blueberry and I smelled it and smelled like peanut butter So I was even more confused but that peanut butter shit was fucking dank So I picked the seeds out of it brought him home popped him Trying to just get finos of that that peanut butter and run it see it was like But out came these beautiful gorgeous purple Blueberry syrup plants and that was that was how she was born So it's supposed to be a blueberry. It's probably blueberry P91 I'm guessing because of the peanut oil traits, but yeah, that's the genesis of riot berry That's my baby one of my many babies. Oh Fuck you cuban What a bastard talk about horses motherfucker Genetics of blueberry muffin blueberry muffin is just a phenotype or a cut is the riot berry phenotype from riot berry Oh, gee, which was riot berry Crossed us like the the original og crossed to Pakistani to trolley the green feno green lemon feno Anyone done a side-by-side with the dark heart release of what is their their fake blueberry muffins? Why would they do why would we do that? We already know where their fucking bullshit came from and who who did it and it has no relation to mine It's fucking retarded. It's a they're a retard Yeah, there's has no relation to mine. They just took a well-established name slapped it on their fucking new bullshit and Are trying to push it as legit? I Mean there is no comparison because it's so drastically different. I didn't know people were calling just Sunshine daydream the blueberry muffin cut, but I don't I don't think that there's any way that I It's one of those times when I just have to realize that I Didn't pick an original name by calling it blueberry muffin because it's just it's something that People want to slap on everything. So I just don't give a fuck anymore About the term or any of it. I'm not sure where the Humboldt seed. Poe is from and not to be confused with Humboldt seed Organization Humboldt seed co are the ones naming lines like Jack hair or they have nothing to do with Jack hair or very little to do with Jack hair They took my blueberry muffin cut slapped it on one of their lines. They've done that with a bunch of shit They're just all around pieces of shit, and I don't you know No, HSC not HSO HSO or fine. They've never done anything like that Humboldt seed company are assholes I got blue baby shit. I do not have blueberry butthole though. I do need to come out of my shell. Don't I? What do I think about 10k jack Depends on which one you're asking about There's the original 10k jack from Oregon, which was a lemon Jack hair It was very much a traditional lemon Jack hair And I mean that's one of the common phenotypes you find a Jack hair is the lemon Jack It wasn't massively yielding, but it was it was a solid bud You know very very northern light dominance in the bud structure Probably closer to skunk in the actual structure of the plant Very little haze in it But man, it's fucking it's stellar weed man. It's one of the best lemons I've ever grown there is also 10k jack which was Uh named by green dot Dave and it was a jack hair cut that came from bodi that was just called jack hair He called that 10k and that is closer to say Like a jack the ripper Chernobyl looking strain and it's very lime I don't know Cuban. Um as long as they keep your Cuban ass out and I think we're good The panic piff. Yeah, um, who has that? I think my buddy kaya has some panic piffed right out and shown on instagram the original kaya See what we got Death by lemons. I'm not sure The 10k from bodi. Yeah, it's it's It's very similar to jack the ripper in looks But it's purple kind of like Chernobyl and it looks like the golden ticket cut new looks too Very limey I don't know. I don't know much about bodi's lines anymore just because like we just we're good friends, but um We both kind of keep our heads down and do our own things, you know So I don't I don't memorize all his lines And he has a lot that he puts out so I it would just be too hard to keep track to be honest Yeah, I'm sure it's good I have never seen an orange gelato strain So I don't think all the gelato strains are orange because I've never seen an orange gelato There might be one or two, but I I don't know about them Oh things tipping. There we go Is world of seeds? No, they're terrible company. They're they're shit. They The real seaco is very good world of seeds not so good One second here. Are you puffing at me murray? Okay, so someone asked the difference. I wanted to make sure that I have a right Someone wanted to ask the difference between strawberry roadkill and roadkill switchblade Strawberry roadkill. Okay. So strawberry switchblade The only the main difference between the two is that strawberry switchblade incorporates the double black doge as well in it Which has a lot of like reddish purple traits Or magenta even And strawberry switchblade is extreme extreme strawberry extreme whereas the strawberry cream afghani is It's still very strawberry, but it's more focused on yield And resin production whereas the the roadkill switchblade Is is a little bit less yield, but way more strawberry. It's hard to explain because they're both very strawberry But yeah, um the the the switchblade will always have the double black doge incorporated into it Um motor berth 15. You're asking me for something way later. Um more recently made and I don't know about it Don't haven't used it. Don't care Again, I don't know much about bodys lines guys That have come out within the past few years. I wish I could answer it, but I just there's so many that come out I don't it's impossible to keep track of it I have my own company that I run and make seeds with that. I have hard enough time keeping track of myself You know what I mean? Real lemon tree real lemon tree is lemon diesel Or is that right? Yeah, organ lemon diesel It's just the same cut renamed sf e og and camd been done a long time ago by cat and krip So who gives a fuck someone already did it probably did it better um Who made it is that jimmy nits? I shouldn't be mean like that because I mean the guy the guy's been around a while And I'm sure it's great. It's just it's been done before and I don't know why people just picked up on it now It's that whole hype thing. You know if people um Were knowledgeable they'd be like, oh that's already been done and I could have already had it 90 times over Um cat and krip released those chem d sf e. I wish I could remember the name off hand But I think it was just chem d sf e. It wasn't um a name and I know that It's probably been done a thousand times between cat and krip and jimmy nits Say like that's a common combination like the chems and sf e's um, I would think that It would be very similar to chem 91 You know I've never heard of pittsburgh cat piss, but the san diego cat piss i'm familiar with but I think that's just one of those terms kind of like uh Skunk or whatever that people use like if if a if a old plant back in the day smelled like cat piss They would call it cat piss. So there's a lot of regional cat pisses. I'm not familiar with the pittsburgh one Uh Storing seeds for long-term preservation If you are going to store seeds and not touch them for and you know, you're not going to touch them for say 10 to 15 years Or you're only you're going to storm and you're going to take them out the second that you want to pop them Freezers, okay for that, but you don't want to come in and out doing that shit You know, you don't want to take it in and out of the freezer. That's not good for it. Um Long-term storage fridge work great or anywhere that is a cool dark dry environment will work realistically There's my water. Murray. Do you still my fucking water? Oh, damn it God damn it. God damn it. Where where are you sleeping on my water motherfucker? Oh, I guess they don't have one. Okay Come on, Murray. Lay down. Lay down. Don't use this excuse to get up. Lay down Murray You little shit bad boy He knows I can't jump up and get him. So now he's being a dick The cut called kush 4 that bodie uses sorry for another but oh, I don't mind bodie questions I just don't know a lot about a strains But the kush 4 is an old nevel strain if I remember correctly and I do believe you got it from jim or tega Other than that, I don't there's not a lot of info about kush 4 out there Um, but yeah, that was an old jim or tega line if I remember correctly Jim or tega I met on mr. Nice when he was using the name dogless Nice guy But yeah, I don't I it's not one that I'm I'm I really it's not one that pops up often It's a very rare rare rare cut. However, it's said to be It's said to be the basis of a lot of kush lines, which I'm not sure how true that is There's also Some lines that I'm gonna get to look at From the scientist, which is really cool. That's someone. I know has finally gotten those packs Very rare old shit, and I'm curious to see what's going to be in there Um, I don't think a lot of people know that term, but I'll just leave it at that for right now And I'll bring it up later when I have more info Uh, first of across is there any specific minerals or newts? I should push more to help with seed production if you're feeding your plant for seeds feed it like a tomato Feed it lots of nitrogen and veg that helps them What about 4d? I have no idea Where does the name og originate from? Uh, I just think it means like original. I think that's really what it means like og could this is the old kush og kush That's typical. It's not overgrow. It's not ocean grown any of that shit. There's just the the original og Perhaps perhaps Perhaps perhaps What's the white and white taho cookies? I think it's just white taho the white What is og 18? Um That's a dna strain I you know, I think it was from bear selection karma said they knew more about that than I do but again I don't pay attention to fucking lame ass faggot ass companies and I mean faggot ass in the nicest way that has nothing to do with homosexuality And one of those assholes that use that word to refer to dipshits Um dna is that there are pieces of shit. They've always been pieces of shit. They bait and switch their lines and um That all that info is out there and if people are still buying that shit. It's on them to fucking Suck it up and realize they just bought a load of shit That isn't what they say. It's gonna be Overgrow kush. That's right. I had crybaby watch the um I had crybaby watch the video of steve tuck talking about how he helped create og kush What do you think about the white? I see a lot of breeders using it, but I hate it personally as a flower Okay, um, the white is an excellent breeder. However, it does take A few crop a back crossings to whatever you cross the white to in order to get rid of That that mushroomy earthy taste and and that's not ideal. What's ideal from the white is its resin production. It's um, it's solid it's solid structure it's uh It's a great plant as far as that goes, but I don't like the taste Smell or high from the white but breeding wise. It's an excellent breeder and like like that This goes with all things. Um, there are plants that are excellent growers and terrible breeders. Uh, grow glue fours one It's not predictable You know, you're gonna see a lot of boofy phenos pop out when you cross gorilla glue four to anything um, however, uh With With certain lines they breed better Than grow and the white would be one What's up moony? That's right. They'll do it Friday and we have someone recording these now. So We're gonna have it up on youtube finally Yeah, you know, people don't realize that when they're buying s ones, they're not, um They're not buying direct copies of the clone mother. That's not how it works unless the clone mother Was pipped from a line that was made very very very very stable in uniform You know, so like a deep chunk s one would resemble its mother very well Whereas a grill glue for s one, you're lucky if you ever see that same phenotype again Um jack harer. I like some jack harrows, but jack harer has thousands of phenotypes So and I definitely don't like all of them. So it's it's kind of a bold a broad statement to cover by saying Yes, I like jack harer People think that p91 s ones, um, they all kind of revolve around that mom, but the the it's it's weird different You'll see less peanut oil sometimes more skunky more skunky less peanut oil But they all tend to to kind of scale around that mom Any thoughts on the cube or starfighter? Um, I don't know about the cube as far as like I never I've never grown it um Starfighter same thing never grew it but when those seeds were originally sold you could still buy the fucking parents and seed So I didn't understand why people were paying a bunch of money for something that you could buy the parents of the seed stock for from and It was just an f1 hybrid. So you would see the same exact results pretty much It would just be a wide open Shotgun result, you know, and that's what you would see with starfighter. Anyways, uh, I know Um, Mike has found a good starfighter and they use that and um, but a lot of those starfighters were not very good. So, yeah Yeah, I noticed denkonomics been pushing those the glues the s1 glues pretty hard They look they look cool the ones that he's he's had with right very how long Did the broadly phenos continue in the f generation? Um A five is when we started seeing more of the sativa dominance kick in to be true breeding What's up chick? I'm not hungry right now. I'm doing the thing I'm I'm doing the life heat right now What? Yeah, why don't you? You were driving so I don't need it right now I don't have space for it. Good. Please. He's coming out with me. You just stick it over there Fine You haven't been good marine Yeah, you're just doing his own thing. Actually, he just isn't listening Because you're driving. Hey, Dios míos del taco Yeah, uh, once once mooney's in la once he's living down there, we're gonna we're gonna have the full-time podcast It's finally starting. Um I know people have been asking for it for a long time but uh You know How long do I take skunk spray chem? It depends on the phenotype Just like everything else Different phenos go different lengths and I take it as long as it needs to go I don't do the whole weak counting thing. I just run plants until they're finished I've never understood that. I mean, I guess it's good to try to have things planned out but as you learn how Seed lines go you should know that there are several different phenotypes and just giving you a number would be Again a shotgun effect of just trying to guess at what you're gonna get Yeah, that makes real filly real filly. That makes sense. What's up, Joey? How you doing brother? Did you did you see gold coast pee pee his pants? Did you make him pee pee his pants? I hope you did It's hard not to think of ethos when people think of s1 glue Fook that guy Cook him Fook um You guys a bitch Vi itch Um, what are the questions you guys got? That aren't specifically about bodys seed lines that I have no idea about anymore because it's You know, like I said, and it's not any disrespect to bodys. Bodies my boy. I love him I love him to the end of the moon and back. But I just it's hard to keep track of uh My own lines let alone his you know Yeah, you know Apprenticing with the good breeders is going to be a hard thing to do because a lot of the good breeders are older guys And paranoid of people and we've all been fucked over a lot by a lot of people especially people that we've helped our apprentice um, yeah Dying breed z-cube. I can talk about z-cube. I actually um can talk about z-cube uh z-cube Is okay, so the z-cubes I have grown and seen are very tall plants very lanky very leggy plants um End of the moon and ish stars, but you're further. I love you further friend. It's actually further than that um It's very leggy It has hard dense buds, but they stay about golf ball size very very fucking resinous However, the skittles trait with the the sweet skittles smell It's I haven't found it in any of the z-cubes I've ran so um I'm not sure if that was their intention with the line, but I'm thinking with the skittles lines it's Something that they wanted and didn't get but it is very uniform even for an f1. They were all pretty uniform as was their black rosé Uh, no not doing any more sour grapes grape stomper. I did that nine years ago released it and um To not much fanfare and then later on gauge green released the bx one and then claimed he created it because you know And people bought it ate it up and still repeat that gauge green made grape stomper to this day That was made by our buddy jojo reso What's up black bear brinjamin But with all that said About z-cube. I can't say it's fucking good. It's a good line. It's a very good line. It's worth growing Um, I've been very surprised with the dying breed stuff. Usually when a company pops up um I don't I don't buy the hype automatically like a lot of people are like, oh What's up zip zip zap zow, you know like with all the z's and just all about it and um I hung back and I said, you know what? I'm gonna wait until I grow some of this shit before I uh Kai just not have the panic piff picks. What does he have up? He has panicked something It might just be 710 panic then Uh, I'm not sure if he has the panic piff or 710 panic. It's been a while um But yeah, the I I I I had to grow up for myself and uh Yeah, man, I I'm impressed The black rose is probably the most impressive thing that They have done Uh dragon fruit. I have popped. I haven't run yet though. We'll see. I'll give you I'll give you a report on that later um, but the z-cube and black rose and Watermelon Skittles is okay. It's not bad. It's it's as good as anything you could get from from Most common places, but I think the black rose is special I think that one is the special one as is their gas pedal to their gas pedal is fucking amazing Like the chem d fireball og that was one of the most beautiful lines. I've ever seen Uh, I got a phenol from that. It was just fucking gorgeous. Absolutely fucking gorgeous. So, um Again, I'm not working them into lines or anything. I just wanted to see what was up with it Um, the watermelons giddles. It didn't get watermelon from it at all at all from anything that I grew from it Um, it was slightly sweet like dutch sweet. So I think there was some dutch sweetness in it. I don't know Um I don't know what shieldy is, but I know the sham d and that was just a term We used to refer to anything that was called chem d that wasn't Oh shilo d. Oh, I don't know He had gas pedals the shit. I'm not gonna lie That black rose a gas pedals. He cubes very good But black rose a and gas pedal were phenomenal Fee fucking nominal I don't know who did the fireball og. I'm not sure who's that is But one thing I will say with black rose a is that I didn't see a single Purple phenol in any of it and they're all super uniform. Um, it's just one of those lines And sometimes in f1 you'll see it a lot where it's a two polyhybrids crossed and you'll get A very uniform line, but and the f2 it turns into craziness Uh, lemon versace. I've seen pictures of that and I didn't I didn't appeal to me Um, it's not black rose. It's black rose a um Black rose is a different line and I've seen stuff called california black rose a But this seed pack was just said black rose a so you know with them I'm not sure if it's california black rose a and black rose a is just a shortened term Or if black rose a was something different and then there's also rose a So, yeah, there's there's rose a is different than california black rose a and i'm not sure If california black rose a and black rose a are the same thing Yeah, see mine just says black rose a on it and it was in one of the um That's like a cardboard cylinder thing and just says black rose a on it Um Yeah, I don't know if it's california black rose a or black rose a I've seen green dot dave's Grove california black rose a and his was like deep purple and beautiful None of these were remote. They didn't look anything like that not even close Not even close to what dave's looked like So i'm assuming it's a different line, but I don't know for sure No, black rose a is it's not a black rose cross. Um rose a i'm 99 sure and they're probably going to tell Me I'm wrong, but I'm I'm 99 percent sure about this it Dying pretty science. Yeah, um, it's russian kush os kush in the old mendo line effects uh, which is the I think mother to purple effects by not so dog, but yeah effects os kush and russian kush It came out and saying though it came out fucking insane. It's very different What about white rhino? Oh my god google it Jesus christ, cody come on I think there's enough info about white rhino out there that I don't need to even talk about white fucking rhino That's a pretty well covered, uh straining buddy Okay, what other stuff we got clockwork orange. I talked about that just a few days ago. Um I'm gonna bust everyone's balls brin just because I can Um Not dots effects. No just effects Tell us more about medicine man. Oh Oh You got me technicality on the white rhino Las vegas lemon is that the lemon skunk? I don't know what that is probably the the old chitrol skunk I would assume like most lemon skunks are I like to have those oblivious strange. Yeah, you're so sweet. You're so sweet What do I think of haze which haze Man oh haze man Is the google info up to stan to matt standards uh on white rhino it is You did mr. Matt elite cannabis you didn't listen to faggot bruce long enough and by the way I'm gonna say Everyone should listen to fucking faggot bruce everybody go youtube faggot bruce best rapper on earth Um, let's see I already did the riot berry story. You missed it before you came in you missed it um Uh sandiego green crack now that I know it's different from kush. Well the sandy yoga green crack We've already always kind of thought it was the same thing and that's and it always kind of made me wonder why the kush was called a kush, but um sandy on green crack is either Dervona papaya cross to something else, but it lines up closer with somango and probably somango super skunk or Uh papaya super skunk Um, I don't know much about norcal cat piss. I don't know sandy yoga cat piss Yeah, it's hard to say Dink man. I'm not sure what that could possibly be. I need a lot more info than that to look at it and kind of get an idea And and with so many new companies just paul and chuck and 90 lines together It's really getting harder to do that that identification just from Either a description or from just looking at it It's easier to it's easier to break it down to base lines, but I couldn't tell you exactly what it is I can tell you baselines usually though great banana dank, um I don't even remember what's in that that was I didn't sell much of that line I'm pretty sure it was like the shock something or I can't remember off the top of my head Yeah, you can try to you can DM me a picture of it, but there's no there's no Guarantee Shoo motherfucker, uh, the the liniest of the lime is gonna be The limelight. I think that carries the heaviest lime traits of any of my lines. I'm not currently selling sprite or Limes, I guess it's called slider because I misspelled it instead of spider I misspelled it when I was printing out the tabs and I just got lazy and I was like, all right. Fuck it Matt rise is also a rat So who gives a fuck about matt rise? Um Uh, but yeah, I don't offer those for sale just because I've been passing them out for free to everyone But lime light for sure is the most lime Of rato stuff great pie. Absolutely. I think that that that is the fucking most killer thing that that has come out Uh, that I have experienced from his stuff What's up, jill And not many real people man, but yeah matt rise is a fucking rat. It's on paper. It's bad I need I need a limestand at the at the fair It is rat rise. Unfortunately, um, I've had a few people confuse me for matt rise Which really sucks. Like if there's anyone, um I I would not want to be confused with it's that that rat piece of shit Or rez. Thank god. Thank god. They don't confuse me for fucking rez I've run a lot of top dog packs. Yes, I have over the years. Nothing new. Um, but yeah Uh, pasta for sure Yeah, that's that's the one that I run is there's only one real cut of great pie Um Harry palms got one seed of it and that one seed that he popped was the uh It was a great pie. It was really really lucky. It was amazing Yeah, well, um, once you start seeing amber Tricomes dinally that means that degradation from thc to cbn has started to occur So you want it when it's most cloudy least amber? That's what you want to go for And if that's where you like the smoke to be some people like cbn heavy smoke though That is indeed the one I used to make black banana pie not black pie But I hear my black pie is equally Amazing Yeah I don't really have a black pie. That was a joke Yeah, there there's a bunch of crosses. I wanted to do with my, um My my chocolate tie mail, but I didn't because it won't sell. However, I'm working on a few, um Places for that to go Uh, I'm gonna give it to cuban To work some lines and it's gonna go to another location where I can work some lines with it. Finally Do you feel less cloudy tricomes on harris give a more sativa hybrid high? I I think it just gives you a different high, but I don't think that there's any high associated with sativa or indica that is accurate It's a very it's bad, uh It you can't associate a specific high with indica or a specific high with sativa. There's no way that doesn't Doesn't play out that way unfortunately, but that's how most people do Uh refer to it, but that's they If you have any knowledge and have grown out a lot of different lines that you would call sativa and a lot of different lines You would call indica and a lot of different lines. You'd call hybrid You'd find sativas that have what you would call an indica high You'd find indicas that have what you'd call hybrid high. So it's it's really hard to say on that Give it a little miracle Yeah, it is an old wives tale. That's for sure. Um Uh, it's gonna stick around till time immemorial though because collectives one People who own and run collectives for the most part are uneducated and they will always call shit indica sativa or hybrid And they'll be the first ones to fucking act like use car salesmen and tell you exactly how that line's gonna affect you And that is fucking retarded and dumb as shit. I've ever heard everybody has a different body chemistry Uh, everybody's receptors interact differently with different strains. So it's just it's stupid. It's stupid It's uh It's reckless too in many senses. It's reckless because a lot of people have You know medical conditions that they require cannabis to alleviate the um, pains of or whatever, you know the symptoms of And these people are recklessly telling them that this will do that and that is that's reckless Okay, let's see what else we got. Whatever that weird mutation malformation on the monkey haze Someone said it was a trait seen in the OPT. I'm not sure what you're referring to Um, is it the crinkle leaf? Which I mean the crinkle leaf you can find a deep chunk anywhere But uh, I don't know. I don't know what you're referring to Sure, you can tell more on the leaf structure, whether it's an indica or sativa. No the The term indica and sativa is kind of um out the window monkey haze if I remember was uh, uh, the black Deep chunk feno crossed to tom hill's haze and tom hill He made this way later like right before he stopped making seeds Or not stopped making seeds but before I don't know. I don't even know if he makes seeds anymore, but that was it was way later when he made that I remember um, you had already uh, deep chunk had already stopped being on the market by the time monkey haze came out Yeah, I don't know how many times I could say different it different but The terms indica and sativa really don't have a place in this market or in in cannabis anymore specifically referring to Effects or structure or type because I can absolutely show you a fucking Even a tie with a broad leaf slightly broad leaf tie that with narcotic effects That would be more narcotic than what most people would associate with like a bubble push so That alone shuts down that whole Indica sativa hybrid type thing. You know what I mean? Like it just doesn't make any sense There is not there is not nor has there ever been just three types of cannabis Um, it was a really for the time And the knowledge with cannabis it worked for a while, but it definitely has no place now Yeah, I committed. I think you're missing the whole point on it. There is It's not indica sativa nor should it have ever been referred to that It's just the fact is that our our education wasn't Complete at the time and that's why it was called the way it was um Let me know when you get that done yellow hem. I'd like to see it, man. Um But it's not just about polyhybrids Taking over indica sativa when I'm referring to his land races even that Have similar effects to what people would call an indica. Whereas it is a sativa So you can't quantify it that way, you know what I mean? And that was it's always been that way But people's education hadn't caught up to what cannabis actually was and how it works if that makes sense The is there a guidebook or the indicates cannabinoid and terpene profiles and how it affects that again Everybody has a different body chemistry um Everybody has a different body chemistry There's no book that can tell you which way a certain terpene is going to affect your body chemistry because it's so vastly different Um, so yeah, that that's the answer to that. What else we got? Uh, let's see indica the term was originally developed for india That's correct Indicas were developed for indian subcontinent cultivars um Yeah, it's kind of more about riot seeds like being it's like indica sativa hybrid riot seeds So yeah, and then there's like type one type two type three and now there's type four, which is just riot seeds So yeah, pretty much just you know if yeah, right seats Yep, personal body chemistry plays the biggest role at anything and that's why you when you go into a collective, um And they tell you how something's going to affect you You should slap them in their fucking face tell them not to be so goddamn reckless Uh, I saw another question somewhere Yeah sativa is simply latin for cultivated correct elaborate on males that throw a single set of pistols on a whole plant, um What what that would mean if you have a set a male throwing a set of pistols on one single spot of the plant It means for some reason Ethylene was directed to am I right athlete? Yeah. Yeah, ethylene was directed and not blocked for whatever reason That hormone was released in that particular region of the plant and that's what causes it to throw pistols Um, most males release enough, um, uh, uh, debrellen On their own and they block ethylene So they can be a true male. That's how it usually works However, sometimes it's not always the case and for some reason and it's not always the same reason um ethylene's let in and debrellen is blocked on a single branch and it could be something from Light leaks or for some reason nutrients are getting trapped in that one area and excessive nitrogen is causing that to happen There's a thousand reasons that can cause that to happen Um, it doesn't necessarily mean that the plant is always a herm, but it does mean that for some reason It is letting that trade through um Now there's the argument and I I don't know scientifically. I honestly don't know how accurate it is I know dj short talked about it in his book saying that, um He likes males that herm because it leads to more female offspring in the progeny because it it has a a leaning towards letting more, uh Ethylene in to cause Female production it's it means like like the the progeny is predetermined to be ethylene heavy if that makes sense um Yeah, I don't know if it's true or not though. I I did it once with um I was I had a blue sativa line blue velvet um And I crossed it to a c99 male Because the I was I was trying out the dj short technique and seeing if that worked the um The blue velvet would herm from time to time in the c99 was a hermaphroditic male and from the progeny We didn't see any herms, but there wasn't much It was a slight but only only slight and I didn't have enough of a population to run to really get an idea of um If it was truly female dominant, so Um, I don't smoke a lot of cbd, so I don't know about the lucid dreams If you eat a bunch of fentanyl though, you'll have some fucking lucid fucking dreams I remember the afghanica. I remember the afghanica quite well I'm going outside and I'm getting hollow main stems and I got no other problems Any idea and is that bad? No hollow stems mean there's no difference between hollow or not hollow Like as far as it being bad or good There's a difference, but it's not bad nor good. One isn't necessarily more hempy than the drug type It's just old. It's it's an old terminology. It's old thought processes back when they were still trying to Um keep hemp as a separate cultivar from the drug type And uh, they would say oh, this one's more of a drug type, you know, selecting out of hemp This one's more of a drug type because it's got the hollow stem, you know This is from a long time ago. I shouldn't it's it's not even remotely relevant anymore Not remotely relevant. So don't worry about that How wide of generations of variation on s1 seed, um, there's no way to to say that because it depends on one Let me see if I can break this down because I try to explain this a lot and a lot of people don't get it. Um Let's say you are going to choose the clone yourself that you're going to s1 from the seed line So let's say you have Some let's go with skittles. Let's just say skittles was a line, right? It was an it was an f1 line And you're like, okay, I want to pick this phenome from skittles Because it is fucking awesome and I want to s1 it And start to lock down the traits from this specific phenome now You go to do it you reverse it the plants will come out pretty plentiful and and And different wild wild variants because skittles has a lot in it and it's a polyhybrid and the line wasn't heavily worked It was an f1 hybrid. It's not like it's an f6. It's an f1 So you're going to see wide variance swing not quite as wide as out crossing it obviously because you're not bringing in more genetics You're keeping it at the base level genetics. However, you're still going to see that wide swing However, let's say you go to s1 deep chunk because deep chunk is a heavily worked line to rest down to roughly four three to four phenotypes That majorly show themselves probably five or six But three to four that may that that show up the most often You're going to see much less variance in that because you chose it from a worked line And hopefully that helps you describe that or understand that clear You subscribe to the idea that picking late showing males is always better because early showing males Yeah, no, I don't I don't subscribe to that at all. I choose my males based on A few things but Some of them are superstitious and i'm going to be real like that a lot of the males that I pick It's all on superstition and I don't know until I run the progeny if that was correct But you got to start somewhere, right? Um, I like to keep that proprietary of what my actual choosing is but it needless to say it's superstitious But uh, yeah, uh, you have to you have to When it comes to choosing males, you never know until you run the progeny and a lot of the times the males that end up Being the most effective in the outcross Of the plants that I run weren't my initial choices That's got that's gotten to be less and less and I've gotten better at it over the years. However Um, still that that tends to show up Uh, to find an outlier of deep chunk what you need to do is do do like five or six Uh, f gens of open pollinations and you'll find those outliers. They'll start popping out That's how you, uh Work the line back out is through open pollination Exactly cry, baby I think a lot of you like when I hear people say, oh, I always choose my males when they have the the The late flowering males that have like hollow stands like all that shit is just As good as fucking flinging shit At at a plant and whatever has the largest amount of shit on it You pick like that. It is the same thing. It really is it's a wing and a prayer And then but the only thing that matters is running the lines Finding out if it's accurate and the way you want it and be being willing to drop the lines that aren't good I'm in town driving around need that green Oh poor sick meds, right Poor fucking sick meds. I'm driving around your town. I need that green crack that you know The one where I wiped your name off it and fucking s2ed your line if I could said it was my s1 Yeah, I need that one. I need that one You missed the joke brin. You missed the joke. You're late on the joke Fucking sick meds Any original white cut? Yep. Still have the white. I've always kept the white. I love it. I love it for breeding in certain things I can't a reversed males pollen be sterile reversed males pollen is almost always sterile Well The pistols are mostly sterile. I should say not they're pollen or reverse males shouldn't have pollen a reversed female Can have sterile pollen sometimes a lot of is more sterile than others But yeah, it's it's definitely a lot harder than people think to reverse It's easy to get a plant to reverse. It's not easy necessarily to to collect said reverse pollen and sometimes a lot of it sterile It looks like I have one minute remaining. So I hope you guys have a rad weekend. I just wanted to pop on and chill Um, if you remind me next time gas fat, I'll tell you about the the platinum alien orange cookies and all the other shit um Next Friday, I believe is the the moony part three and we are gonna have this fucking recorded this time Because my buddy's helping me now Would I share? I don't even know you. Why would I share anything with you? People be fucking crazy And he's next later