 Hey, speaking of saying yay like that, Nikocado Avocado does it a lot. He's like stopped uploading entirely. What's happened? Loading on calories? Well, both that and videos presumably, because I would have thought anything would stop him, except something, you know, but I thought he had some more time. I don't know, you know, I don't know if something happened. Like he's, I mean, to be fair, he could drop dead any second and no one would be surprised. I mean, that's like the joke everyone makes, but I mean, it's true. What if it did happen? I don't know. I'll check again in a second. I remember thinking like, oh shit, gone for a while now. Yeah, there's even a video in like, you search his name called Nikocado Avocado is Quit. Let's hope he's getting help. Yeah, I mean, you know, I always thought there's the chance that it's all bullshit and that he's just waiting to get a certain amount of money before he lives his life healthily. It moves on with someone else because it won't be great, Ben in each day, eating mountainous food. Every waking moment of your existence, just being that, yeah. Well, when he used to be like a twig, you know? Yeah, but how difficult would it be to go back when you've been having mountains of fast food every day? I would just find that disgusting. I think, well, I was about to say a lot of people do that. I was like, well, those are a lot of people don't too. I guess if you don't have much of a palette, which like I have, I'm not a very picky eater at all in terms of quality and stuff, but even after I, I just don't eat fast food. I just don't think it's, I don't feel good when I eat it. It just has this taste to it. And I'm like, ew. It's so funny because I feel like, I'm gonna say that I do eat it, but I don't disagree with the outcome. I'm, I really like KFC. KFC is wonderful. But so like a couple of different fast food. It's not like I've ever eaten fast food and gone, you know what? I feel like I just ate a rotting plum or some shit. Like, you know, it's, it does the thing it's supposed to do, which is appeal to like- Yeah, it keeps you not dead. Yeah. But you know, some of it can be really gross and shit if it's like from, if it's a bad day from a bad place. What is the best of fast food? You guys got to- Oh, around here, the highest tier fast food until it starts to graduate into proper restaurant. I don't know. Fast food wise, Chick-fil-A is pretty high up there. Their stuff's typically pretty darn good as far as fast food goes and their service is really good. They treat you with respect when you walk in that store. But Wendy's isn't terrible on the fast food curve. It is strictly taste. What would rank the highest? There's been some places I've gone to. There was a place called Cookout in South Carolina, I went to. That was pretty darn good for fast food. You guys know the chain, Water Burger? I've heard of it. Well, the original Water Burger, is Feltner's Water Burger in Russellville, Arkansas. I've been there a few times and I don't think it's part of the franchise proper. Like it's sort of its own deal. It's not like the other Water Burgers, which I don't really like at all. But the Feltner's Water Burger is just clearly better than all of them. Oh, and yeah. So that one's pretty good. Not to make any mistakes. Obviously, Trunk goes as number one, but this is just- Obviously, yeah. They're Chick-fil-A grumbos. That's the one. How do they do it? How do they do it? I don't know. They have rats and chefs hats over there, man. I think, funnily enough, KFC probably does actually score pretty high for me, at least with my memory of a lot of different fast food places. It's weird that you say that because around here, Chick- I almost said Chickpea Grumbo. KFC does not have a very good reputation. Kentucky Fried Grumbo. Kentucky Fried Grumbo. Will you have gumbo though? That could be quite good. I find that interesting as well. There are fast food chains that have higher and lower reputations based on which area you're in because of literally just how that one is run, I guess. Individual franchises, things like that. In some places, Chick-fil-A is a good example. They have pretty high standards on who runs each individual store because they try to keep up a level of quality, which has, of course, led to them being incredibly popular everywhere they go all the time. Those things are just money printers here. Chick-fil-A has... The logistics of their drive-throughs are immense. They have... Whenever a Chick-fil-A goes up, they factor in the space it takes to have multiple lanes of a drive-through and people taking orders and marking them down. It's really... I mean, it's quite a system they have to keep that thing running smooths. Really incredible because they're always busy. Always busy, it seems. No matter where they are or where you go, it's always busy at Chick-fil-A. Alrighty. We're gathered here today to do Room Labs and Episode 196, I think it was, for the extra bit about Thor, where we had a chat about how great Thor was. We'll try and do those two, and then, if we've got time after that, we'll check out today's ones as well. Why not? No, it's starting with Stream Labs. The first one is about Stray. It says, don't sleep on Stray Mall or it isn't just a cat simulator for cat lovers. I don't even really like cats. It's a neat little game and would be good for streaming. I did end up streaming it. It is kind of good for streaming. I hope to agree with that. But I'm not sure if it's worth the price tag at this point, and I don't know that... let's say, you know, poor Fringian, poor Rags here were just unable to play it. Just absolutely completely blocked out. It was banned on their PCs specifically. And if they said, oh gee, how much have I missed out on, usually, and I'd be like, I think you'll be fine. You can watch some cat videos and you probably get everything you need. It's because cats are cute and the game does that. Mechanically speaking, it's literally nothing you've not played before. I think the more fascinating part to me is the environment. You're picking up pieces of information about how you're basically in a world that's been blocked off from the world we're more familiar with and robot people live down there. It's like, I wonder what this is all about. But you know, it's a neat game and I'm not surprised a lot of people really like it. Hi Rags. Hi, hey. I very much enjoyed you cover of the most stupid guy on YouTube. So when he came back with an even worse response, I was rewarded with even more laughter and joy. Thank you to bad. We are all mildly racist. Seems to be the case. He can never escape it. This is your original sin. Is that the summary of a lot of the work we do? Thank you to bad. Thank you bad. It allows us to have a response that can be fun, engaging, insightful, preferably. So thank you, bad. Also, thanks for recommending Buffy. I plowed through the first season and I liked it mostly knowing that it'll get better and I'm excited. Hey. I like the first season. That's good. I've always said, if you like the first season you're gonna love the show. If you don't like the first season, you'll probably still like the show eventually. Don't worry about it. What a week of unintentional hilarity. Moore's botched Sonic drawing rags audibly farting during super chat reading and poor sight, bots entering metals forged chat after he finished reading the most dramatic quote from Batman, Bask of the Fantastic. Aww. Sound like some highlighted events, yeah. All over the internet as well. Always different areas. Beautiful. For Mollie's dinner, the first season goes, thank you, bad for providing me this meal. If it's shitty fast food, then yes, I guess so. Also, as someone just said, watch Angel. Yes. Don't just watch Buffy. It'll be satanic of you. And I just want it on the record. There's nothing wrong with farting. It doesn't make you a lesser person. Gotta get rid of gas. Brags, organized chaos. Latest response concludes that your videos are made to kiss neurotic and critical drinker's asses that you're just taking down a critic of them to get in their good graces. It is legitimately interesting, yeah. You have some other gems in there, scan through it. Yeah, I've got a I've got something I'm working on there. It is legitimately interesting. He thinks the whole reason I'm doing this is to ingratiate myself with neurotic and critical drinker so that I could, I guess, grow my channel or be friends with them or something. It's really interesting. I can't do it because I enjoy it and it's fun because it makes me money while I enjoy myself. But I guess that's Yeah. It couldn't be that you genuinely believe what you're saying about these people. It must be that you're trying to gain something because that always to me has been like, oh because you don't have real friends or something like that. I don't know. It always comes across as really fucking awkward. It's that streamer that Twitch streamer mindset of you're just doing it for clout. You don't actually believe anything, stuff like that. Nobody does anything because they believe in it. That would be stupid. It's crazy opposite. It's one of the most important reasons you should do something is because you really believe and enjoy it. God forbid we enjoy something that we do. Which better call soul spin off you most excited for? Fixing good? Gustavo in Santiago? Better fuck Chuck? Or better rim Kim? Man. So very, very clever. I wouldn't be surprised. You're going to have to choose because I don't have much experience with better call soul. So I think this is really a question for you in particular. Oh yeah, because I understand the context so well that I can give a very strong answer. I would go with fixing good. It's about time we get some creative stuff happening in this Vince Gilligan's writings. It's oftentimes very sad, you know. That's what I think. I wouldn't be surprised if they did try and expand the Breaking Bad universe again with someone else and maybe it'll get Mike's history when he was a kid. Why not? BBC, you? Oh, and then they could do one from a character in that and just keep going back further and further in time until we find out when Walt was born and we'll get a story about that. What about when he was like you could make like a sitcom where he's like a dad and there's like three kids one of them is called Malcolm. You could have a show about that. I think that would be a really good idea. People would really like it. And that is it for Streamlabs already so I suppose. Alright. We'll go on up to this. Second worst box office drop-off in the franchise. And they are celebrating that. I assume after... Is it Doctor Strange? That one? That would be my guess. Doctor Strange or Black Widow maybe. I assume Doctor Strange because that one had a surprising first weekend where people were like whoa that's doing real well and then second weekend wasn't anywhere near as good which is Marvel stuff. I don't know what that means exactly like people do give it a shot but they ain't coming back or something like that. No one recommends it. Which by the way is a quality they should not squander the fact that people are turning up. But I mean they don't feel they're squandering it right now or at least I don't know if they're aware of how much is getting squandered. Who knows. Thor, Saiyan, Thunder Oof. Got him. Executed. Is there a sword or weapon that is culturally significant too and then it's just a bunch of blocks? I don't know what that means. What is the best medieval weapon? Maybe a Minecraft in which case it's the sword. Diamond swords in particular. Or Netherite swords if you're really into that sort of thing. What is the best medieval weapon for a Longoid? For a Longoid? Long Sword. Sorry if it sounds like a generic answer but I mean sometimes those are the strongest answers. What about a Longbow? Why not both? Yeah Long Sword and a Longbow. What about a Long Spoon? It's just a really long Spoon. Longoids gotta have breakfast too you know. That's one of the I think in the Bible there's some analogy about heaven. Where heaven is like I don't know like heaven kingdom of god is something where it's a bunch of people who are eating at a table at like a banquet. And all of them have spoons that are way too long and so they have to feed each other and even as a kid I was like why can't you just grip it closer to the spoon bit. I get your point that I'm like the thing where they say they describe hell and it's the spoons are too long to feed yourself and everyone's struggling and it's all horrible but in heaven it's the exact same scenario except they all figured out they should feed each other and I know what you mean it's just like that doesn't sound like why just not even use the spoon. This is the divinely inspired analogy it's not that great it's actually kind of piss. Yeah I mean you know in terms of writing like I get what you're saying I don't know. You don't have to go with your first draft guys. The bible was written in 13 days like black widow. They got scrapped and then they said can you write it as we're filming this analogy doesn't work for a while but oh well. Like Jesus is alive and they're writing it Jesus is like 32 years old like fuck we're running out of time also high rags hello it's been so long since I've caught this live and they got a little happy face ain't that nice Oh well I'm glad you're here Malin what's your opinion on Iron Man 1's mind-freeze device and the applications there are throughout the rest of the MCU yeah that's Obadiah Stain's thing it seems pretty damn powerful to the point where Iron Man would probably want to make use of it in lots of scenarios going after that film but does not nobody does it literally doesn't appear ever again I don't even know if you remember it rags it's a little device no I don't you open it up and it makes a loud noise and it stuns you like completely oh that's pretty useful literally just a handheld handy device we never see it again in the MCU uh-oh I don't know how I would categorize that as an issue if Iron Man 2 and 3 Avengers well I guess every film I shouldn't even say that Iron Man 1's responsible for answering this question exactly but all of them aren't doing it does that mean we should conclude it's just not viable anymore I mean it's a pretty unethical fucking thing but then again I suppose they're the same for a taser the whole idea is you use it on people to subdue yeah like it's like the only person who might open the box is someone who shouldn't be there anyway maybe some long nose lines so um yeah I think it's a fuck up that we've never seen that thing again I think there's implications of that device that it could be weaponized in ways that would make it incredibly effective like a projectile that does the same thing don't see why not uh and yeah it facilitated story beats in Iron Man 1 but even this is what when we talk about like time travel this all comes back to even stuff like that if you guys are making your scripts and one is that grounded except for his suit and tech and stuff and you see that device I'd be like is there any way you can write this without using that device because that device has implications and this stuff we gotta keep track of are you aware of the original Star Trek episode called Operation Earth no so Operation Earth begins with something similar Captain Kirk is giving his little start he explains the situation that we can get into it for the episode and it begins essentially with we have used the gravitational slingshot of the sun to go back in time to 1960 in order to research it's the most ultimate hand wave bullshit here's why we're here and arguably the worst episode of maybe Star Trek ever made um so they could just have an episode that takes place in the 1960s that show was supposed to be a backdoor pilot for another show Jean Roddenberry wanted to do called Operation Earth where this guy from like the future or whatever is trying to watch over humanity oh we gotta go to the 1960s in Star Trek let's go ahead and uh yeah I feel like I've been I think I've picked up bits of this through Red Letter Media's videos on Star Trek yeah they're talking about Gary Seven yeah Gary Seven interesting name for a a character just in general um yeah you know that's the Gary's a normal name the Seven Paw I like oh that part yeah that is a little odd Lazarus I guess if you had to take a name as your your last name or a number as your last name Seven's not bad Mr. Seven, Seven sort of Seven sounds nice there is um an episode of I remember this as an episode of I say Buffy it's an angel that establishes a mechanic about a certain uh thing in that universe that is so bad and it never gets brought up ever again it's such a interesting thing that happens in stories where it's like actually we can do this and then it's like no we can't that's really bad that you said that we could do that yep um and yeah I wouldn't have that same exact idea about the mind freezing device thing though I don't know how you'd fix that going forward because it's so effective uh I don't know how IMM wouldn't make big use of it big chungus use of it I think that you got a line from Obadiah saying they stop production or allowing of this thing because it's too unethical which is interesting because it's not that unethical compared to some of the stuff you might have to resort to yeah not really depending on its implementation like if it's a trap for people who like I said who break in like if someone's not allowed to like go in your house and you oh that would be really cool it's a non-lethal way to if a burglar like breaks in they they hit the trap and it just sort of stuns them and they're there for a bit and they just have to wait until it automatically calls the police and they just show up and there's this stunned burglar up to the area with the little dressy gouda little cup of tea like oh you got him huh yep got him it's like the cabinets Adam installed last month I think they're nice they match the you know really match the wood wood floors we replaced the tile I think that was a good decision just sitting down next and waiting for the police like you know you shouldn't steal stealing's bad you know deep down if you dig far enough there's a moral in here yeah somewhere somewhere I morally you're doney with the funny honestly I don't know what that means but if it means am I done with being funny of course not plenty more jokes on the way absolutely we're like the Adam or sorry the sitian Adam show where this is a comedy show especially as we start to exit phase 4 we near the entrance of phase 5 this will become more of a comedy show yes a wholesome comedy show pale fun fact the Metroid series and Kirby series potentially share a universe in Kirby's dream in Kirby's Dreamland 3 Samus shows up on Planet Popstar and you can help her by using an ice copy ability and killing a few Metroids so that seems very similar to the Link's Awakening thing where Link's Awakening features a lot of cameos of like other Nintendo stuff like Chain Chomps and stuff I imagine that they don't really exist in the same universe interesting phenomenon though isn't it like if there's no substance at all just that you're aware they might be in the same universe that is enough for fans just go nuts and be happy I think so I think it's a really straightforward way of while never having to deal with all the difficulties of maintaining a real continuity yeah especially if you have something like the Legend of Zelda which as far as I know takes place on it's like a fantasy based it takes place on one planet and I'm not huge into my Zelda lore here but the exploration of the universe and the galaxy just isn't a thing well so I think in Link's Awakening it's all is this a spoiler for like a game that's 30 years old it's all a dream it's like the island is like a dream so there's a there's like a purgatory is everything an energy purgatory is the theory for Majora's Mask that's purgatory I was referencing Lost as well I'm just saying like yeah that could explain why you know you could rationalize it's like what's this weird surreal kind of place so that would explain I guess what I mean is like loose little continuity and references and things like that can be really fun kind of like what Pixar does where you know you have like references to different places and things in other Pixar movies but as for like a continuity you know I guess you can invent one if you want but it really doesn't matter well it just reminds me of when the end of Split happened right like the reveals that he's um well I mean you probably know about this just through you know people talking about this and the other but at the end of Split he's in like some restaurant and he's sitting next to Bruce Willis as David Dunn and everyone's like oh my fucking god it shares continuity with unbreakable and then they regretted that immediately when they saw Lars the final in the trilogy that is a fascinating sort of study of just somebody destroying their own work for no reason at all who, Taka Waitini? I was about to say it's like is it worse or better what he does like well probably worse right because M. Night Shyamalan drowns his own character that everyone loves the most in a puddle a literal fucking puddle he drowns in it you might ask how is that even possible how is that possible is he like knocked out is he just somebody puts pressure on his head puts him down into the puddle and that's enough which you know logistically that's possible but wow don't give me the whole water is this weakness shit that is still you can understand what I'm saying the water is in our weakness true enough of it the water surrounding us it has suddenly become quite the weakness here I thought we were friends and look at us now but like it's the equivalent of you know I just give you like a pinprick or just enough of a wound in the right place and you slowly bleed out over an hour and die and someone's like yeah that's possible humans can die from blood loss it's like I know I know but you chose to do it like that so why did you do it like that not all my criticisms or commentaries on the reality yeah potential we've said well I don't even know what kind of criticism we would categorize this as but like I said you know the emperor could have just whipped his dick out and peedle over the emperor's chair I guess you could do that that's not necessarily out of character it's just not something anyone wants to see I think you're just it's similar to how you were talking with Adam and Sitch on the Sitch and Adam show you talked about the character who just disappears who just leaves and how that would be totally logically possible characters can do that but it'd be insanely unsatisfying for an audience particularly if they like that character or if it was set up that the character was maybe gonna have some sort of a journey or arc or role to play in the story and they just leave and they just fuck off yeah it's okay it is an aspect of I think it's a misconception people can probably have where they equate us saying things that are objectively good storytelling is the same as satisfying or things you'd want to watch that's I discussed that with the chair in the room when I went when I talked to Adam and Sitch on the Sitch and Adam show when I was there on the Disney thing I used that chair example of the five minute long movie where you've got a chair in a room objectively perfect no one would watch it and I don't recommend you make it I saw some people say that doesn't count because there's no event I was like technically there's an event what's the event I mean the existence of it but I mean if we have to if the chair literally has to be tilted and then it eventually falls over if that's what satisfies you then I mean even if it sits in a room I mean just the chair existing in a room is necessarily temporal I mean you can't exist for no time any video is going to I would want it said that you know how you tell stories it doesn't have to quite work in the literal sense of there's something has to move or something because you could have it be that this room there's a chair in it but there's also a window sill and it just slowly the camera scans around for the hour and there's just a series of photos and they tell a story that could be it yeah a secret you could say that generally just for the sake of just clarity we say sequence of events even though it's somewhat redundant but it's easy to tell people but yeah a series of photographs that can be interpreted as a story yeah I think so yeah the point being of course that these are like two different modes and that we understand that people you know I think the easiest way to translate that is just should the hero kill the villain in the end or should the villain kill the hero in the end or should the hero spare the villain and capture him or should the hero fight his best, lose but not be killed and the villain gets away for another story to be told which is the correct answer it's like well I don't know that I think it depends on many many variables which answer will be the most satisfying for most audiences funnily enough I would probably say villain is defeated by hero but at the same time generally probably yeah it depends yeah maybe the villain is very likeable and the hero is just an asshole that you don't like they're morally right but I can hate them why would you suggest such a crazy thing have you been watching the MCU recently or something no not me I would never put myself in a position where I have to regularly consume MCU content you know you'd have to pay me to watch the MCU you'd have to say this is your job to get me to watch the MCU it was crazy when I met you I was like there's a couple of MCU movies you haven't seen that are really quite entertaining like had you seen Guardians and Ragnarok and stuff at that point I can't remember which ones you've seen I think I saw them with you when I first met I really wasn't much of a show or moviegoer I can say the last jet I was my awakening it's where I was born again and I blossomed into the beautiful flower that I am today before that I was I was pretty normy when it came to movie stuff but TLJ it just broke me and I changed I was like Gandalf I emerged as Rags the Orange and I was just a new a new creature baptism by confusion we'll call it then the dark times that's today it does seem like the sentiment is turning though on some of these bigger IP film franchises like Marvel it's the little light I think it's been said because people say superhero fatigue shit content fatigue absolutely it isn't superhero fatigue superhero fatigue didn't exist when all those movies were generally good superhero fatigue hasn't stopped superhero comic books for running for 80 years consecutively superhero films being prevalent for the last 20 years superheroes are too broad there's too much variety in that umbrella I think they're way broader than something like a western if everything's great you know like everybody's going to be happy with that let me say remember we weren't alive then but there was a time when westerns dominated media especially in America when it bonanza and gun smoke the John Wayne stuff it was huge westerns were everywhere and that was just a big thing and it lasted for quite a while which is something that it was probably a good 10, 20 years of dominance let me check out how many bonanza seasons there were if someone was to suggest superheroes might falter and lose confidence and then maybe sci-fi that gets a big old thing and comes in and I'd be like it's going to be sci-fi movies about superheroes though like the superheroes are almost a cancer in terms of storytelling they can get into everything and not in a bad way maybe there's a bad way yeah like something else it's it's more of a it's kind of like in the same way that science fiction itself is an umbrella term that can describe a lot of things superhero is the same or maybe superhero is more like it's a suffix that you could add to like any genre sci-fi superhero fantasy superhero like horror superhero yeah whereas it feels much more difficult to get western sci-fi you can but like it starts to compromise sci-fi envelopes the west no it is a good example because the western's gone the second you bring in sci-fi pretty much well yeah but I mean space western is like a known genre that's not what I said what'd you say? sci-fi combined with western will literally like often times kill western as it exists in the certainly with what rags was describing it creates like a new genre meanwhile superhero is just a variable that like can just exist you could throw superhero in the middle of like a running tv show no matter what you can't really throw in western I mean there's probably ways you could so I was actually going to say there are ways but it's not as simple as individual who is strong and fights crime if that's what the requirements are for superhero which even then you don't even necessarily have to go with that it seems so broad at this point if um you know like even Logan right is that considered a superhero movie surely it is yeah and I feel like that's not even scratching the surface of the potential for this genre we're still not we've still not really done that people feel like the boys and stuff like Logan and that other show that I think got cancelled um these are like subversive and showing the age of the genre the boys is the shallowest version exactly I feel like we got loads left to do we've often talked about ideas of like what does like the superhero story that has absolutely no fighting or superheroing at all exactly that yeah most superhero life of a guy have we done that does that exist it probably exists in the indie market somewhere well like if you had yeah like an art film where it is just a superhero who's like your significant other is dying of cancer and they just they just have to like watch they can't do anything about it and then you tell this the story about both of them and how they feel about that and looked it up there are there are 14 seasons of bonanza and went from 59 to 73 however it is not the longest running western that would be gun smoke gun smoke ran from 1955 to 1975 it had 20 seasons jeez I know people loved uh Deadwood but that didn't manage to make it unfortunately yeah I only got a couple seasons in a movie right I have been to Deadwood hey yeah to where Wildsville and Hickock was shot and killed Calamity Jane is buried next to him as well is very cool if you guys ever come to the US I would highly recommend you visit Deadwood it's a great west old west kind of town um yeah because there's that movie I was mentioning I saw a trailer for where Sylvester Stallone is like working in some I don't even know like Scrap Yard and turns out he used to be a you know like a superhero saving the day all the time in this city but he's retired now he's old and there's some maybe some secret thing that happened that he's not told anyone about but new bad things start happening and he ends up in a situation where he's got to make a decision you know and then he comes back and maybe he even dies at the end of that film and I think people would see that as being like oh that was pretty that was pretty subversive it wasn't just hero origin and then beats bad guy part of the franchise but I just um you know people say it's like it's evidence that the genre is going down it's just like if Marvel movies were well written would we just be saying that superhero is unstoppable is probably amazing to me that uh they are this bad and they can still crack a billion well they've been struggling I guess this year to do that I guess that's what I'm trying to imply the way I just framed that was a little bit more positive than what you could say I'm still like I feel like these films shouldn't be making the money they still are oh well I mean it's probably costing on name recognition at this point and potential for the future that people still have an investment in I guess because like what would even stop the MCU I imagine that budgets would go down before it would stop probably you'd just find more cost cutting measures I mean getting implemented yeah to make it cheaper did you all see red little videos black fold review with a totally shadowed eddie buds that is a character of mock the iconic master puppet scene those guys are such jukes I um it's a weird one I don't really get it uh because I think we'd all agree that you want to try and grab some spectacle in your shit where you can that's uh especially if you can justify all of it that's like that's what we might call fun um yeah it allows you to like if someone said you know what this whole Avengers movie I'm starting to think that most of this was written just to get us to the place where they're all just fighting shit together I'd be like yeah probably yeah it probably was uh yeah that's certainly a theory worth exploring and then if they were like well that's I don't know man that's just lame I think stories have a lot more potential than that yeah sure that isn't why why are we why why they should just be here because fuck it and uh it gets weird hearing stuff like that from them so I'd be like isn't like the OT is that incredibly spectacle you know absolutely and that's fine I like big ol' spectacles in movies it's fun oh the skypism can pretend for a moment that that shit is actually happening even though it really isn't it's just on the little screen sometimes it's a big screen uh sometimes it's a silver screen which is very expensive I'd imagine oh yeah full silver yeah definitely finished midnight mass everything after episode 6 is awful basically every character is assassinated and any semblance of logic is thrown out ooh we picked uh it was a 9 what an incredibly hot take that is hotter now we think it's 9 but it's fine yeah I think the last episode is the one where everything goes to shit maybe 7 and 8 don't hold up as well on a rewatch but as far as I remember it was 9 that really annoyed me yeah we were totally into it completely I think 5 was probably yeah 6 and 7 and 8 I think it all holds up fairly well but 9 is absolutely when it just fucking shits itself luckily the first 8 episodes are so damn good that we'd recommend that show to everyone regardless of it's horrific ending I still think it would probably take a lot for me to you know like um for Mike Fanaghan in my head to be as bad as I'm gonna say as bad as type white easy that seems harsh but I guess that's where we're at 2022 in August like if you released a whole TV show that was filled with bad writing I would be like wow maybe this one was rushed like I would have so much good faith for Mike Fanaghan at this point but you know this is the thing I guess what I'm trying to get at is that Midnight Mass has not made me think that I won't get great content from him yeah there's so much good in there that even fumbling the ending as bad as he did still has a super interested to see more anything he does it's like a guaranteed watch for us though it does it is something to wonder because we had um we had a Hill House which had a very bad last episode and we still recommend the show highly we had Midnight Mass came out even worse final episode I'd say and we still recommend it so there's like already a trend of how bad can the last episode get before we say presumably a final well I was about to say that doesn't apply to Game of Thrones I pretty much don't recommend Game of Thrones to people even though there's four seasons of good shit in there like damn that's how bad the ending is like to be fair that's how bad 5, 6, 7 and 8 are which is such a weird I mean that's like Star Wars right it's like do you recommend Star Wars like do I recommend watching the OT and then the prequels and then the sequels uhhhh that's you know if it's either you recommend or don't recommend if it's all or nothing if it's all or nothing I know right damn it's so much baggage to take on to the OT every Disney show added on as time goes on too you're just like oh god so much crap to slog through you're constantly paying the ferryman for that original trilogy I think I probably would though I think I would I'd like to think that just that good those two those three you get to have them you have to pay you do for that in the form of some other stuff uhhhh it works as a tragedy Thor fans my favorite character Hulk fans first time Hulk isn't ruined I think yeah we said Hulk is at a better position technically speaking than Thor Hulk could be brought back it's a possibility yeah you can save Hulk by beginning to save Thor you put him back onto the roller coaster that he was on yeah it'll be really weird to save Thor now because like if we were set to write his next film I'd want to throw out a clown Thor but I don't even know how we could do this in a way that's in any way am I gonna make sense you know like it's it might just be a he could be a guy who enjoys Thor but is still a serious person you know I think the key is Thor understands where the lines are like maybe he uses he knows that sometimes there's a time to be serious and sometimes there's a time to be jovial and he can have a personality where he uses humor as a like a coping mechanism or you know to help get people through things yeah that's the preference I mean where he's currently sitting it's like how do we get him back it's like maybe we we make a movie where the first 10 minutes established where it's no different than at least the vibe of Love and Thunder and Ragnarok and then you make it like a movie about Thor vs Hercules and gradually the movie gets more and more grounded and then Hercules actually like kills someone Thor cares about and Hercules is aware of his history and points out how much he's clearly coping basically how much Thor's doing all this goofy shit and saying all this thing and treating everything like it's a joke because he's he can't deal with the fact that it's his responsibility that he's lost everything you could try and gradually bring that back and rescue a punished Thor storyline but I think people would appreciate it if you took the time to try and get back there meanwhile Hulk you can pretty much switch him up in the course of between films probably you can be like we're doing this with Hulk now sort of thing I don't know I just feel like it's harder to undo the damage of Love and Thunder than it is to undo what they've done to Hulk because we can just do mumbo-dumbo he can be doing experiments with Gamma shit again something can go wrong again this is like oh look you got the Hulk's back I don't know I just feel like Thor's in a worse place and I think it'll be harder for fans to be like oh he's back to being punished Thor now is that right but if you took the time got the right bits and bobs with dialogue and fuck I'd be like if I was taking over the Thor shit now I'd be tempted to be like that was a fake Zeus that was a showman's Zeus is actually busy doing things that matter and that's just like Zeus's I don't know fucking hologram that he just even there you'd be like you believe that shit I just I'd like the idea where it's Russell Crowe too he could totally play a way more intimidating Zeus absolutely he could Kenobi when the time comes a boy must be trained Yoda the boy is too old about Anakin at 9 Luke and Kenobi is 10 to be trained to be older than 10 and younger than 9 I don't I that's actually probably a good point that Kenobi is saying like he must be trained once he comes of age but as part of the prequels and even in the OT to an extent right because that's what when Yoda says that about Luke he's too old he is oh sorry not about Luke about Anakin well yeah the prequels established that they get trained from fucking early as hell instead of seeing Thor Love and Thunder I bought Merino Wool socks for this fall no regrets he bought what Merino Wool socks apparently yeah I'm not I'm not too familiar with my wools I can't tell you but I know what it means when you say you have Merino Wool Merino M E M E R I N O yeah Wool socks are really nice though I've got a fair amount of pairs that I use for hiking and I had them in scouts and search and rescue and all that Wool socks are very wool gear in general but particularly Wool socks Wool is a really great material because even when it's wet it will still insulate you socks are objectively better than Thor I mean they serve more of a purpose so I'll give you that in hey guys quick reminder that e fapping one punch man season one would be great to see I'm sure rags would love it also the manga is fantastic currently you haven't seen that have you one punch man I haven't that could be fun to do an e fap you've talked about how good it is though it impressed me I was quite surprised watching I was like oh this is way better than the stuff I usually see way better than anime way better than even like TV shows just regular ones you know it has a lot of good old heart wit I love having them finally catching up on e fap live of spending way too much time on the backlog love y'all and here's some rhino milk ooo thank you love me some rhino milk my gf and I were bickering and laughing about how awful it got past midnight and I was frustrated to the point of laughter episode 7 is laughably vomit inducing oh um after who? oh I think they're talking about midnight mass I assume that oh wait maybe they're not talking about they could be talking about no episode 7 so yeah probably midnight mass right I'll be Kenobi yeah because they'd be laughing from the second episode you know it could be midnight mass absolutely are there any plans for TLJs? maybe 6, 7, 8 really are worse than we remember I was going to say I don't want to say the grey it could be I don't remember being fine we didn't have really any too much in the way of big issues 9 was just like dropping off a cliff maybe if we were to go back we'd understand like because I think we will have satisfying decisions for the characters that would bring you know tie everything up well but maybe maybe there's some earlier stuff that it's even terrible and it's like oh it says boopy earlier on because I'm assuming episode 6 is where Riley's arc finishes off right I think so I thought that was the end of episode 5 episode 5 it's 7 episodes remember so it's the end of episode 5 oh is it 7 episodes I've been operating this whole time thinking it was 9 if it's 7 then that's part of what confused me but that makes sense I don't know ignore everything I've said it's hard to keep track there's so many tv shows of different numbers how am I supposed to remember anymore it's impossible how many is Andal got is it 12 I think 12 yeah and then how many is dear devil gonna have 18 how am I supposed to remember all this ridiculous hillhouse was 9 yeah yeah that's probably what's fucking me up because was that 8 something like that I forget exactly and hillhouse was 10 oh for fuck's sake that's what I mean I've been kind of sitting here this whole time like am I what happened between 5 and the ending because 5 is like that you know what you can remember I even remember getting fucked up on this because I always felt episode 9 of hillhouse was redundant almost and it's long too it like spends a long time telling you stuff you would have already known it's like the POV mom episode which is something I think is fine to have it's just the most of her scenes of things we've seen from other characters scenes anyway and then of course the last episodes there are some issues I could have sworn one of them was 9 but I should just google this shit can't be trusted there's only 2 shows that I could tell you how many seasons are in there bonanza and guns smoke we've always known that I made sense about you are there any plans for TLJ's 5th anniversary yet if you mean the more end no I don't think I've ever thought about anything like your 5th anniversary for fucking shit movie for sorry for what movie for TLJ I could maybe be compelled to do something for his 10th anniversary like an e-phone movies for that movie just as a sort of like hey remember when this came out because 10 seems like fair enough I'm fine with a 5 year anniversary if it's not like too serious because TLJ is it's not just a terrible horrible movie it's a very important movie in terms of how it shifted movie discussion online it's really a watershed moment and it made us like a podcast that got us together TLJ created EFAP in this sort of a domino's kind of way it's very direct it's not a bad idea to do a 5 year anniversary I appreciate this cultural footprint if I'm to be 100% fair I think that to this day it still gets viral posts about how man everyone was wrong about TLJ this film was a fucking masterpiece you get them every once in a while but you also get the ones that I find very satisfying where they're like uh oh people are saying the matrix 4 is the new TLJ it's your legacy TLJ that's where you sit hundreds of millions of dollars lost revenue and it's like you're the opposite of being the citizen cane of movies people use it short hand so that you understand the characters get assassinated lore is ruined and the franchise is disrespected that's the quick wave it's TLJ it's the TLJ equivalent so you know maybe we could do something with the people who were we met around that time and then just have a little chat about how everything went this is really early for Fringmeister and Shadmington it's 4am in QLD also Heilraggler hello yeah that's how I like it mm-hmm Digimon of the day is Raydramon Raydramon let me take a look Raydramon that looks stupid here let me that's like almost all Digimon but let me post it here yeah he's a little bit child's drawingy to me that's a lot of I honestly I think that's a lot of Digimon they just look stupid they look like children drew them it's not even about the it's just most of the idea it's very busy yeah the colors it's like shit just got tacked on but he evokes a sense of the legendary dogs from Pokemon to me but I feel like they had a better better look each one of them had a sort of they weren't clashing with themselves it's kind of like the birds they weren't just shit everywhere all over the place there were some elements of oh we're going for like a design element or some sort of aesthetic here I think it's that each of the legendary Pokemon has some clear readable aspect of them that is like never obscured yeah like the birds are very obviously birds the dogs are very obviously dogs like there's something that like helps you understand what they are and it was the same with Grudon and Kyoga one of them is very easily readable as like a marine animal the other one kind of comes across as like a rock t-rex there's like a lot of the Pokemon I believe could be actual animals like especially slightly fantastical animals but real you look at stuff like Beedrill and Parasect and stuff like that and like oh yeah that's a bug the longer they go on though admittedly the longer they go on the more difficult it becomes I think for them to just like yeah that's the water one that's the fire one that's the electric one yeah yeah I don't know like Digimon cause I didn't know much about Digimon but with all these Digimon requests I am appreciating Pokemon's designs more yeah I can see why Pokemon is the one that succeeded over Digimon yes it's like a lot of Yu-Gi-Oh monsters it's just like just anything you just go with O'Reilly the 700 mil is inaccurate it's barely at 500 oh we talking about Thor's Revenant I thought it was 630 million well I can go ahead double check right now what's the updated and Thunderbox office so it looks like um Thor 11th under oh some of the headlines that just pop up nope drops 58% top gun top gun has topped 1.3 billion so Thor 11th under 665 million yeah global what should we expect it to top out at I think the population now is 700 million which is lower than Ragnarok damn yeah I just know why that the whole like bigger opening weekend thing like everybody assumes that's indicative of you know long term sort of result but it's just not long term people going to watch it well it seems like cause top gun has had very slow and steady like decline and you know week on week I think it had one of the lowest week on week drops for like a big blockbuster in a long time and so it's just like I had someone the other day say Top Gun it was amazing and that was just a couple days ago word of mouth it's helped that film a lot yeah it was like DC League of Superpets got 23 million oh yeah that one's not that's yeah it's not good 20 million dollars and that's part of the as Dwayne Johnson himself said the Superpets universe along with the black Adam DC universe I don't know what I meant to make it out I just assumed it was going to be just like a movie for the family to go and watch and look it's superheroes but pets and it's just like a nice save you gotta turn it into a big franchise though at this point you gotta wonder if like I wonder if this is like legitimately going to be the end for like the DCU and they're starting over again the tipping point was the DC League of Superpets wow maybe in part yeah who knows damn you crypto it's an Adam will be streaming that is a super chat that Adam sent I don't know if we asked a question regarding it or something but oh Adam streaming they are streaming every well this was sent not right now I mean this was when this was sent presumably I don't even know this is will be streaming they are they are Sunday and Tuesday show I think yes Sunday and Tuesday my weird path through EFAP first saw the recent ones were dev and then all the EFAP movies then Batwoman and a few key meme faps finally watching from the beginning up to episode 54 bizarre ride I can see that being the way that anyone gets into it like there's a guest they're like oh I like you and then they're like oh this this format's pretty pretty pretty strange maybe they've done some other stuff I think EFAP movies is the easiest way to probably get into it to be honest yeah oh so I was talking about the new show her these guys they're they got they got a nice thumbnail and little icons and oh look at that oh hey I hate all things I wonder if anyone else you're not just consuming shit fuck no they're very critical of things that must that's kind of refreshing well it is crazy because we're in spheres that are very critical of these films I would say but man outside of our spheres there are there are industries worth of people just saying oh my god did you see the new Thor movie oh it was so cool it was so amazing this is the best Thor movie since the last Thor movie 99 Easter eggs you didn't notice in Thor every once in a while in my recommendations I see it's just some smaller channel that I've never heard of doing one of those watches or reacts or talks about movie things and I'm tended to click on them because I don't generally watch other people talk about movies when we're not covering them on EFAP mm-hmm like what do they have to say what does this person have to think I know what I think but what what do they have to say this person who knows um Christian was a fine guest Adam was behaving like a jerk I feel like I'm seeing the word jerk more recently is something going on is it getting more popular again bring back jerks it's like the it's possibly the lowest tier of insult I think there is like is there anything less offensive but still an insult it's like you you meanie yeah meanie is probably the tier below actually yeah I don't know I don't even know it's beneath meanie like he's being it's like what a child would say it you know like he's a meanie I think that's a meanie head a meanie head almost like takes it down by adding head I was about to say yes somehow meanie head is less offensive than meanie like if you called someone a shit or if you called them a shit head I almost feel like head is a little bit of a like a little padding poo poo head somehow I feel like poo poo heads more offensive than meanie poo poo head I feel like it too I have been offended because poop and you know it's kind of it's not tasteful right but being mean it's fine you know you can say that someone suggested brute could that be one of the lower tier insults uh it's not the thing with brute for me is that there are times where that could be applicable when are you ever gonna call someone a meanie unless you're a child like he's gonna you can brute for it like I could see I could see um maybe in football or something like that commentators watching the sport saying oh there's Johnson number 69 look at him what a brute as he's plowing through other players and there's something like that um and it's used to almost complement his just sheer strength dingus and doo doo head dingus almost has like a phallic connotation like you dingus true true I'm not sure though or calling someone a knob that's that can be really funny and effective I think um but meanie I don't I don't know when we're ever gonna be able to use meanie effectively we'll have to figure it out we'll find a way dork yeah dork is similar dork yeah dork is down there dork and jerk they're in the same tier I think I think so I think so yeah what about the the trio or not trio the the nerd and geek those are almost not even installed anymore yeah I think people happily call themselves those at this point there's a guy on youtube called like nerd rotic I don't know if you guys have heard of this he's but nerd in his name he's fucking nuts crazy in fallen order there's star destroyers orbiting the planet above the inquisitor base it's a good thing they weren't there in the show well they remember there was a star destroyer above the planet that obi won't escape with those people but it cuts to the next episode and they're just chasing them as opposed to they would have just shot the fuck out of them as they were coming up from the planet oh well writing what is that loving how good career is doing in contemporary media no politics or diversity checklists to meet although I find it hard to relate to the characters because no one is white that's a joke by the way it's good that you put cause text guys I need kappa faces slash asses and brackets saying that's a joke that this is the way to do it because otherwise I'd be like wow uh yeah I I've been I'm barely able to like consume lots and lots of western media let alone uh because it's harder to even like gun smoke in bonanza western I haven't even seen gun smoke I am I should be punished I haven't really either yeah well you know I just know it's one of the greatest shows of all time made it to like 20 seasons this was like adding special effects to b-roll and calling it a film since a while back I only started watching Disney stuff on a ship carrying a black flag wink I watch it for EFAP not for joy maybe that could be kind of just watching it for joy um jolly roger you know I mean I love the things I do um yeah it seems like that's more and more common as time goes on as people uh are watching the the the mc wall not watching it all just because they're more so interested in whatever we end up having chats about related to it which is fine with me because we're hoping to just talk about storytelling and sharing it I love talking about storytelling and that other thing yeah I forgot everything that happened last week can we get a real quick recap also check out the sitian atom show number 200 I was there for that I could not make it because of a prior engagement else I would have been there I wasn't invited oh yeah I just well yeah I mean they are cruel in the lack of invites yeah I don't know I don't know if it's a problem with plague doctors or people with a green plague doctor probably just invited so many people it was just yeah I know yeah okay green people don't get priority that's fine we can make that decision um yeah I just remembered continuity wise what happened this that was the stream that happened right after these super chats came in I think that makes sense I wonder what cancer patients felt about them taking the piss out of cancer like that why is it Jane hasn't lost her hair has no wig I just think that they wanted Natalie Paulman to have her hair I guess she wasn't willing to get rid of it or they weren't willing to do anything otherwise the other the other aspect I guess is the whole uh I'm sure there are cancer patients who can happily tell and take jokes related to cancer I just don't know that it was very well executed in that film at all I don't think I found it really odd when I saw it I was like really it was kind of like what I thought not because it was like upsetting me personally but just because it's like really gonna make that joke wow alright you can do it but I don't know I think when he's rushing he can really fuck up his approach with the well it's you know joke auditing you're trying to figure out like what you've you know whether this joke is working or if it needs to be amended or edited or tweaked just to uh improve it a little bit man you could even say it about that film that opening scene where Gawd's daughter's dying to be like like always a joke I don't understand isn't it better to put a joke in? you always do that I assume that a dying child is just hilarious in and of itself so he wouldn't need to add a joke that's what I'd be waiting to prompt from him where he would be like well no it'd be inappropriate here and I'd be like would it be is that right well have you seen the rest of your movie today's animal of the day is the the poo-too bird the poo-too bird let's take a look oh Jesus Christ um let me get you a picture here yeah I think that's a fair reaction he's a little creepy looking at me oh that's the image you got oh yeah there are some of those are you seeing the other one I don't even know if this is real now they're all strange cause you also get these boys yeah common that's creepy as shit yeah it's like a child tried to draw something cute so it's horrifying he feels like he'd pop up and return to Oz he feels like he'd be perfect for that movie yeah like he's a really fucked up puppet I like that lol is that real that's my question he feels like is this I think he's real yeah that's great it looks like a like a cartoon he also has like a goofster name the poo-too bird please read pokedex entries for Hatterin Hatterene Hatterin okay the oldy this is from I guess he made its appearance in sword and shield it emits psychic power strong enough to cause headaches as a deterrent to the approach of others oh jeez so that's the sword entry the shield entry is if you're too loud around it you risk being torn apart by the claws on its tentacles this pokemon is also known as the forest witch well there's a lot of those at this point so there's um there's a gig never mind it's like it's like a the different kind of type yeah that's pretty cause I look at it and they're like oh it doesn't look that yeah we're getting into the age of it just doesn't seem like a it's it just looks it's saved a small image let me click on it maybe we'll bring it up yeah let me copy paste this bigger version like oh you don't seem like you're deadly no it'll fucking claw you apart I'll kill you I think it's it seems a bit I don't know I don't like this design it seems a bit too anthropomorphic I think oh yeah she looks like she's pokemon elden ring or something kind of out of context no Ganondorf please don't tickle my bum bum yeah I could see that being said fries me at all I haven't seen this movie and don't intend to watching all of you thinking about it seems much more worth my time and money or talking about it well I guess both but I didn't enjoy watching it I will tell you that I think what I ended up saying was that it felt like there was no experience I've ever had with a film where I was just like please provide references so I can discuss your ideas I wasn't having an entertainment experience with it at all which sucks because Ragnarok was entirely that I was just fucking laughing throughout the whole thing pretty much absolutely I was very keen on Ragnarok hey alpha males who's the worst MCU writer and what's the worst MCU script in your opinion nice day love y'all multiverse madness yeah multiverse madness I think we're all pretty convinced it's a clear winner on this one which is a surprise right because you'd be like well tyker right and it's like no I don't think I think it's clear loss to multiverse madness Loki is worse than Thor it's Loki and multiverse guys those are the bottom tier they sit in a very special place together there's all the stuff you'd expect in terms of all the things we complain about this present and all the stuff we complain about pretty much but I think some of the things I really find fascinating about him is that he has the absolute worst answers for writing problems that you could ever have like if they were in a classroom that kid should be sent to the naughty corner sort of shit where it's like you know it's the same thing I was asking other people on different streams where it's like how do you solve a writing problem letting the audience know and the characters know but it's something that happened in a character's history it's like oh there's just so many ways you can do that I think the easiest and fastest way to try and get this done is that you prompt them to say something that regards it then there's a conversation and that's how it's known and then Michael Waldron is just like well there could just be a memory store like Michael why would there be a memory store that's insane and he's just like well no but it's like a different reality it's not like ours it's like yeah but this is a civilization there are so many things that are implied by a memory store that couldn't possibly be coherent and then you have to have the fact that it's just an accident that they happen to roll by and hit it and then it has to be that specific memory really really important relevant memories for the plot and also you have a memory store and there's no exploration of the nature of memories and how people can like twist and warp their own memories so that they're like a false representation of what actually happened and what you can pull from that whether they frame it more positively or negatively even having Jinx thinking about bye and she'll be like you'll see these little scratchy drawings the latch with the scratches on the face it's just how she like god Arcane was made by artists okay like this meanwhile this thing was just out in the middle of trying to film it it's so insanely lazy not fair and it's not the only example Michael Waldron does a bunch of these threw out and like I don't know that they'll ever be a better example of how to misunderstand how characters work than Loki watching his own development it might be the most insulting thing I've ever seen in terms of how a character would develop he watched himself develop like that doesn't, that's that is such a blatant misunderstanding of how anything works and we should expect a Star Wars movie from this man he's gonna eclipse Ryan Johnson isn't he Ryan will be like you thought I was bad do you think it might be worthwhile to rewatch the episode of Rick and Morty who wrote which one was it again? the toilet one the toilet one all I remember is that you and I were not keen on that episode we were like we certainly thought it was weaker than the average Rick and Morty episode I'm just curious yeah well yeah maybe if you want to I'd be curious to see if it's worse than we thought because of I think that what didn't help season 5 Rick and Morty now is that the veneer was damaged and then actually just got removed of us having a lot more good faith for the show I think so wait for things to make more sense wait for things to be contextualized in better ways instead of just being like you know what that was just shit it took a little while with the episode 4 the one with the sperm I think that one we were just sitting there like so what's where are we going what's the joke here and then by the end it's like oh it was just it was what it was on its face the whole time it was just worthless dude that was so bad that episode is terrible like everybody recognizes it as being terrible as well it's like the lowest rated one wait that's the lowest rated one I think it is that one is yeah I can understand why because even the later ones that I think are like may well be worse I don't think that there is apparently bad on their face let me double check I think I've seen more sentiment against season 5 than I ever saw from any other season but I don't know how the ratings reflect it I would certainly say that season 5 it seems to of are let's take a look so yeah season 5 the opening the one with the parallel timelines has a 9 and then the decoys one is an 8.7 and then the planetina one is 7.8 and then the sperm one is 5.7 and then the one where it was pleasure and pain that's a 7 the one with yes and then the Thanksgiving one is a 7 which is more than it deserves to and then I think it was the like what are those Japanese shows where like all the robots assemble like Voltron or something that one yeah 6.4 that one so that one didn't have as great a representation I remember all these episodes we were just like you've got your ideas but what is wrong with your execution what is going on the first one the one where we saw more of Rick's backstory is an 8.2 and then the crows one was an 8.3 and then the finale was a 9.4 yeah for the same reason the episode was aware it gave people backstory that they've been waiting for probably good enough to get it a pass I think so but it's just like so you can even see in that list it's like yeah damn it doesn't it doesn't end up very well compared to when you go through yeah and season 4 has got a lot more favourable and then I think season 3 will probably be the same thing as you look at it yeah season 3 is a lot more favourable and then I guess by the time you go back to season 1 and 2 that's where it's like universally like yeah exactly season 3 was probably the turning point even though I do really like season 3 I think there was a change in the tone the direction that it was going I'm realising from chat's reaction that I have no idea what Genshin Impact is I'm looking at pictures of it now that is not what I had in my head at all so I don't even know what I went for it's like power ranges right actually Genshin Impact is a name you could assume that's about robots right or robot suits I guess I just I don't know what Genshin Impact is so I said you could assume yeah Genshin sounds like a brand of robotic suits to me I don't know maybe I guess Voltron because it's Tron oh yeah that oh Gundam I guess it could be I think it is Gundam right I guess that would make sense I should be careful I could be talking about something that's completely not the thing I'll confuse everyone I don't know anything about Gundam's like at all but I think like I was about to say helmets but I guess it's just like the head they have a cool design yeah which I am vaguely familiar with because how many times I've seen it's a Gundam's avatar like that's why I know that you just pull up these pisses like these are cool looking robots old man moor I'd say it's fair to say boomer in that one I like by the way all of that came from someone asking who's the worst MCU writer just like yeah it's Michael Waldron it's not even cause who else would be competition it's like we don't even know other writers as well as him at this point because of the fact that it was so incredibly impressive that he ever wrote Loki and whoever wrote Multivus Man this they are a special writer and it's like turns out it was the same guy it's like ohhhh it explains so much but it also means like I just don't know something that I've noticed and I've said this a few times lately is there were just these weird quotes from a lot of like the people who are involved creatively in Marvel projects that make me wonder how they view storytelling like the fact that John Faber said you can't kill Iron Man because that would set people like blows my fucking mind I can't believe that that's something that like somebody who's like a professional writer would say you know like what are your priorities a business man trying to sell a product like a conversation that apparently happened when um when you know like how they do the close ups on the eyes when when uh like Doctor Strange meets Alternate Morto apparently like for some reason Kevin Feige just didn't like that for some reason and that was like a fight that they had over like whether to include it or not I just don't understand I think so not like a fight but he didn't want it I go you mean I just I feel like if I were there I'd be like guys is this the thing when you just spend time on figuring out compared to like all the other shit massive gaping plot points and then the fact that in order to figure out it's like yeah we've got Black Bolt but how does Wanda defeat him and apparently Sam Remy said like if Wanda says like what mouth was like ah we got it it's like I don't know I just I find and then my old friend saying well I wanted to use Wanda as a villain so now she is it's like ah right so we didn't really think about whether it you know makes any sense at all like whether that's where that character is at the moment you wanted it so you get it and again I would be such a stick in the muds these people because I just feel like so she can change your biology at a whim uh at a distance right like that this is a power you you're admitting like didn't she do that to your organs couldn't she just mash your brain yeah exactly and I know that they would be like dude what are you why are you why are you asking these questions I should be like to just like that's your job your job is to answer these questions like in an ideal I think um I think a good way to think about writing a story would be that you don't need to present all the answers but you should have them like um you should be interesting questions for a start well I guess what I'm getting at is let's say that you have like a fantasy world and all that matters is a certain amount of information to it but somebody may have a question or two about something else and you should be able to provide the answer for that even if you don't need to have that answer in the story like in kind of the same way that you think about I guess it's having ways like iceberg thing right you are you only explain so much but ah no it's probably not comparable because the point of that is you only explain so much because the audience can infer a lot more like underneath just logically it would be more so that um is being used to have like as a weapon at this point the inference because that's because I'll be like our inference would have to conclude that she has the power to manipulate biology and if someone was like whoa no why wouldn't you just assume that she can only do this to black bolt here and now in this moment and I'd be like because that is she says why would it be that way yeah the point of the inferences you don't need to explain everything if you've done a good enough job and you're writing people will be able to logically infer a lot of things about characters or what's happening um as opposed to just don't you should yeah like I think especially if you're writing speculative fiction you should be prepared to answer these questions um ideally the questions are answered or can be inferred based on what you've written um I just think that it's it's not good if like it's it's not a good sign if someone asks you a question you go oh shit I didn't think of that it's like oh damn man like if you even think of that you know like fuck what else might you have missed um while you were writing it it just makes sense to me that you should have a really comprehensive understanding of your own story even if a lot of what you understand doesn't come through like doesn't need to be part of the story like that you that you know the answers even if you don't give them to to the viewer because if you know the answers the answers will inform the writing if you get what I mean like if you understand where a certain place is I guess this is going more broad but like if you understand fully a character's back story and you know it down pat while you're writing something that will just see in and like that will be there for people to latch onto and sort of pull from it as opposed to not thinking about it at all whether that substance can be lost or you can accidentally write stuff that ends up being contradictory someone just said in chat like I think we had a conversation about a couple of these in arcane but just like wide advice scream after she beats a vicar in a fight they don't tell you why they show it they know why for sure and they hope that you know why and in the same vein you know that that would be an example where I think the writers are on point then there are times where the writers are not on point however they can benefit from this like they show us the portals and we're like there are a lot of things you can do with that however if I don't see you chop off people's limbs then maybe I can just assume that whenever a portal tries to close around a person it will just error out it doesn't work yeah and then you show me that's not the case and it's like well now we're fucked yeah that was it's a good joke but it's such a mistake it's not worth it like that one single chopping off the hand that's such a great example of like the ripple effects of um because because everything that's in the story is like it has a bearing on what comes before and what comes after um the extent to which it does so varies but like it's all interconnected and so even the seemingly most insignificant thing can be really impactful it's why it's important to be very thoughtful when making these sorts of decisions about changing the story or adding new things is like well I don't you don't want to think just about how do I solve the problem before me right now with my story you need to also think about what implications it might have I get the impression that the process of like writing these Marvel movies turns into there's an immediate problem oh I guess that moves the forward we're good it doesn't go beyond that in terms of solving problems narratively and then present you know consequently creating all new problems or maybe it's more just the standard because what is it Michael Walter was like oh yeah we're at the second actor like I had no idea what to do or something and so he probably just followed all the standard beats that you need to do without thinking about how much it is coherent with the story that he's trying to write which is insane um I even wonder like you do go home and sleep between filming days and I just I'm even at the point where I'm like surely when you get home you have food and you're like I might go to sleep so can I take an extra hour to write out at least another few bits few bobs maybe a broad outline of what I'm doing here talk to a friend about like bouncing ideas or anything to get yourself ahead of filming for Christ's sake you know what I mean or even just sit down with one of the themes that you want to do and just like really rigorously examine it because you know I think they think that there are themes in that film but I mean they keep contradicting themselves and you wonder if you just sit there it's like right so beyond the original idea that you had for your theme did you sit down and rigorously test that theme like what are the arguments against this point what are the things in the film that contradict this point how do I best facilitate this theme with the scenes that I guess I still have left to film like I don't know or was it just the original idea ah that's good yeah I got it great good as Mark Webb would say someone asked do I regret my video on Infinity War presumably because we just talked about that mistake they made there's a lot of mistakes they make in Infinity War and I would have thought Infinity War is a mix bag we yeah we talked about it but like my video was more so praising what I think works and I don't talk about what I think doesn't work in that video a lot of things do work yeah and I would hope that what I pointed out as being strong continuity remains that way but there's a chance I would be like oh shit I didn't think about blah blah blah doing blah blah blah there's like I saw one of the ones being discussed recently was how it's actually bizarre the Doc Strange just forgets his portal when he's asking Tony to take them back to Earth yeah that's really strange like I don't know why he would it's like how would they not have thought of that when they were filming it like like any of them really are ah fuck it nah we want to be on Titan we put we previous the thing is that they had quote-unquote reasoning who go to Titan but yeah I think that the we needed it so that it's take a while to go back to earth and draw Thanos there or take a while to go to Titan and set up our trap there so the portal kind of takes that away it's like we can have instant access back to earth and back to Titan um so there's like that fucks with that but it's like yeah but you can't just forget that Doctor Strange has a literal universe traveling portal like you just can't do that and that's the thing that you watch Doctor Strange the second they introduce that it's like fuck me that's quite powerful and this is where we're at like it's causing problems constantly and to be fair I think that you as a writer can deal with it a lot better than the attempts that have been made so far of just ignoring it exists yeah but in the same vein that we were talking about the little zappy paralyzing power that Obadiah Stain has the second you show that portal shit it's like we've established that we've made rules this is the thing because the movie can make with your little chess pieces when you have power like that the first thing you're going to want to do is make it really difficult for people to be able to pull out some limiter someone in chat has said I thought Doctor Strange said the portal can't reach earth but it screws with endgame it's like yeah exactly because in endgame they like portal from all over they portal from Titan so that's and they wrote both films so he says that in infinity war I don't remember that at all but I also I mean he opens portals on Titan are we saying there's a length limit on the portals is that the idea I don't see how that could be the case though given endgame and also because they allow you to travel the multiverse in Doctor Strange 1 that was actually going to be my reference because if you can travel the multiverse that feels more significant than traveling within a universe in terms of distance but then we forgot about that line when we wrote a direct sequel to that film and yet again like any rule like that it makes you wonder it's like I guess like if someone's for example he said there's a meter limit on the portals I'd just be like why I guess like for sure why a mile limit like why and even still you like how bizarre in terms of like yeah the more powerful you are the further it can be or something like that it doesn't have to be specific yeah it can't be a magic horse what real animal would you ride into battle oh so like what would you want to ride into battles but this counting oh yeah I guess they're saying that because of all of and thunder so I would probably want something that can like probably a dragon right dragon seem like a really good choice there's many varieties of dragons some are smaller and more bulky some are more like eastern dragons are a bit more long well it's like I like that isn't that essentially what you do with a dragon is a dinosaur that can fly I say that yeah some of them can breathe it's it's comboing up a couple of things at once though Griffin I like that it's Nancy Griffin's not bad I worry if they're not resilient because like the scales of the dragon you know but Griffin's a pretty good choice I think flight is just anything that lets you fly is a really important thing that you can have just a useful tool to be able to get around get in and out of battle to get you know to carry people quickly if you need to help someone out in Ghidorah yeah I have three people riding them they don't want to go in a different direction the follow-up was bringing in shad would it be an emu melting in the heat but you guys bring joy thanks riding an emu though I don't know like a child or a midget maybe I don't think so I think you'd probably it would not be easy for an emu to carry the weight of an adult to say with a kangaroo like be like a harbit that's what the harbits would use they'd use like emus like chocobos from Final Fantasy it'd be cool if those mega marsupials that would have lived in Australia like 60 or 70 thousand years ago he probably could have jumped on one of those and gone for a ride mega fauna is really cool it's kind of lame that we never wow we never really got to see them I guess it's cool that we at least know that they existed that's neat it's probably also cool that we avoided some of the horrific monstrosities that used to all so exist in this well it's not that we avoided them I'm pretty sure early humans wiped them out no we're talking millions and millions oh yeah yeah right we're talking like the real scary terror shit the bugs as big as houses and crap like that not a fun time just all the stuff that oof not even talking dinosaurs just like the legit creepy skull island shit no dinosaurs are cool dinosaurs are cool no one see a giant spider that's terrifying I love that because you see a t-rex and like well you're gonna bite me and I'm gonna die with a spider you're like what are you gonna do something horrifying like you string me up bugs are just a a sort of hell bugs are a hell world it is a hell world the world of bugs is a hell world it's a nightmare universe full of pain and misery and suffering what would you opt to die from ants or a polar bear I actually think this is really difficult because polar bears don't kill you when they eat you they just eat you while you're alive the thing is the ants are definitely doing that I still think that the act yeah I imagine it can incidentally probably easily kill you but ants are just like you have to take the risk when the polar bear is in you have to hope the polar bear wipes you out quick it's easy to imagine that happening yeah with a polar bear because the polar bear could if the polar bear hits an artery that's pretty much it for you if it just hits you in the head it could just knock you out and you won't even feel the things that happen afterwards welcome to EFAT someone said I could kill the ants way easier than the polar bears this is not a scenario where you get to do that this is not a scenario where you survive you've been paralysed by Obadiah Stain's old device paralytic abasia this is a scenario where you die I'll take the polar bear I think I would say the polar bear is the one you're doing it's not a great choice yeah it seems like everyone's agreed to yeah I'll go with the polar bear ants dismember you while you're still alive yeah I mean these ants they're gonna have to eat you while you're alive because they're not gonna be able to kill you that fast yeah next one says impotent city true oh this one's for Jadolf Titler sea kai rags oh sea kai which franchise has been crushed more Star Wars MCU, Terminator, Alien or Last of Us Terminator has been pretty consistently destroyed this is just about how you set the framing it's like a polar bear question cause I'd be inclined to go with Terminator as well but then it's like why and it's like well because it got annihilated twice like yeah but the MCU maybe you'd say it hasn't been annihilated you actually still got Guardians but that's still like 95% of its content has been annihilated you know yeah but weren't the choices Terminator, Alien and Last of Us or and the MCU and Star Wars did you miss those oh I did miss those uh huh I guess really funny because the Last of Us has had its reputation destroyed pretty quickly it's uh it's kind of remarkable because the Last of Us remakes well you look at that YouTube video for the for the remake it's got a bad like to dislike ratio on the PlayStation upload they've done permanent damage most favorable yeah like everybody kind of just is upset about that series now well not everybody but a lot of people bitter about it and yet they still kind of press on wanting to turn it into this franchise it's kind of odd well you know what I think it's got that it's never with the fucking unequivocally great content that you catch the creators being like hey it is selling well hey people do like this exactly when do you have like when is this defensive bullshit coming out for like stuff like that because it reminds me of the whole um hey fuck you empire was received badly when it came out at first as well it's like does anyone ever say this about any of the Star Wars films that were well received like when fucking return to the Jedi no fuck it uh when force awakens came out with people saying yeah you like it now but some stuff ages real bad no but it still it did you know I mean like nobody is such a weird way to frame everything you just like wait till the future this film is out of time it's it's it's gonna be appreciated one day I'm sure of it just like empire that was clearly hated when it was first release like shut up yeah first off I don't believe you um well so what they usually pivot to if you say that it's like haha here is a review where someone said empire was bad it's like yeah no I know there's gonna be people who didn't like it that's not the fucking point because what I hear is people saying well if empire was made today you people would still which is of course wrong all I remember is references to empire's release was that it shocked the fucking world basically it was it was like one of us always the quintessential example of a spoiler yes I don't remember the memes about how everyone hated empire I don't I don't know about that that doesn't sound like a thing that happened but uh sure it was totally just as hated as the last Jedi sure I'm upset definitely which means uh how many years do we need before TLJ's considered a masterpiece I don't know two decades maybe we'll get there uh oh yeah I guess I don't know which one I would say is the most crushed of all the IPs kind of hard to say definitively um if we go with health in the box office I guess at the MCU is definitely not crushed yet in the same way that Terminator is Terminator struggles to make like any money now because of how shitty these projects get Star Wars is doing well we haven't seen anything from Star Wars since 2019 so movie-wise uh but I'm sure that's gonna change soon enough it's still unbelievable to me that's the case why don't why don't you expect it to get a Star Wars movie now is it like 2024 I think so I think it is insane like this five-year gap because of the damage that Ryan did to this franchise you're really incredible the fucking ripple effect you had it's the most damaging movie to Star Wars I think was the last Jedi fuck yeah uh Ryan Skywalker was goofy and shit and everything you know it's just like dropping a bit of poison in that open wound blood displayed everywhere it's like yeah I guess you're killing it more but TLJ made the Rise of Skywalker possible I think it's interesting to think about how a lot of people went into the Rise of Skywalker knowing that was gonna be shit and for some reason some people thought that didn't reflect negatively on the film that came before it yeah like that we all knew that it was gonna be a disaster that we all knew it was gonna be a complete piece of shit like people would say oh what a heel turn and this is the fault of people who didn't like the last Jedi it's like the fact that you knew ahead of time had a good feeling that this was gonna be shit I think speaks volumes to how incoherent that trilogy was from the very beginning like nobody was surprised that that film sucks everybody knew it would why would people think that following what is apparently the most groundbreaking and revolutionary Star Wars film to come out why would that just be a normal expectation among even people who apparently like that film if not it is interesting quality it's just fascinating some people saying isn't TFA the death of Star Wars it's like I think that they could have drawn it back you know in the same way the Empire turned Star Wars into a franchise and not in the sense that there's a second one there for more than one I mean in the sense that knocking it out of the park twice that gets you the go ahead to just go nuts franchise as opposed to just the one time even though there are examples of franchises that are basically based on one good movie as opposed to several but Star Wars is huge right maybe the reverse thing happened there where it's like we had a bad one but it can survive a bad one but can it survive two bad ones in a row it's like it goes from being a particular tier to a different tier like Star Wars you know it's reputation was way fucking better after TFA than now and so you know I think most people agree it was salvageable could have made TLJ that story that wasn't what we got and drawn it back in the same way that you could probably draw back a lot of the MCU going awry we'd seen attempts of doing that before even in the MCU I feel like phase two was actually we were heading down a bad bad way it was going it was not going good and then there's elements of phase three that really started to bring it back and then phase three ended with because Endgame is phase three right phase three didn't end great I had the Captain Marvel or Black Panther which yeah still plenty of bad ones in that as well but I don't know I'd like to think there is always a way to rescue writing it's harder you can't talk about Jurassic Park that way I will continue to maintain the lost world is still not a good Jurassic Park movie okay it's just one that's the second one I think people will have the most assumption it's like you think that one's good right it's like I can remember very little about it we have to go in our Jurassic Park arc we do yeah because I'm pretty sure I remember liking Jurassic Park three more than two which is possibly controversial I can't remember anymore all I know is that the Jurassic World franchise like fucking everyone kept saying Dominion is worse than Fallen Kingdom it's just like Jesus Christ we'll do that someday we will because Fallen Kingdom was special but the idea that Dominion is even worse fucking let's go that's rough what was it what's the one before Dominion Fallen Kingdom it is one of the worst movies I've ever seen do you know that I think it was Drinker and another friend of mine I can't remember who exactly but they were like you should see Dominion it's like shockingly bad and I was like alright give me something about it that can at least help me understand like how could it be worse than Fallen Kingdom and they're like well what do you think Dominion is about from the trailers and the end of Fallen Kingdom it's like oh well the obvious it's dinosaurs are all over the earth now we're gonna have stories that relate to that I suppose like how do we coexist with them or how do we destroy them or what happens to certain environments as a result of them but yeah you think maybe that that was the story more so about dealing with a horde of locusts that are attacking the world and eventually they become fire locusts what and that was my reaction I was like that's not true no not D&D I'm talking about Jurassic World what happens in that movie apparently that is that is what that films about that is the thrust of the the drama and I was just like why why can't people make stories anymore what's going all this shit that I just mentioned about what I thought the movie was about I don't think that's particularly impressive but apparently like that's just too much that's just too much can't be doing that we'll instead just we'll go with this other thing it's just like what what are you doing why did you write this and yet that's probably made the kind of money they needed to make right I don't know I do not know how much it made I assume it's probably a lot what I do know is that if you've got an itch for dinosaurs you should probably instead go for the new thing that came out that's like Planet Earth but for dinosaurs with David Attenborough with CGI dinos stuff and it just goes over I guess stuff they used to get up to I still want to go watch that I don't know if it's on Amazon or maybe it's on Disney Disney Plus I don't know but I've heard that's pretty good I realized though I still haven't committed to an answer on this on which is the most crushed franchise I think I might go with Terminator even though I think an argument can be made for basically any of these I feel like MCU encompasses more and its destruction has been very thorough on like very basal fundamental levels in terms of just everything happening what do I think that's fair I think I'd go with MCU the word crushed really makes me think that Terminator wins out because of the fact that it's so um oh it's just so like so simple yet they ruined it a lot of things that's one of them one of them is the fact that like nobody even expects to talk about Terminator these days it's like gone and that much damage was done the MCU is still around so is Star Wars but like Terminator is just dead and it's like when was the last good thing for that it's like oh well Terminator 2 it's been a really really long time and the newest two iterations were like lol fuck Terminator 2 get him out of here and it's like what no what no no um and yeah like I don't know if they're planning another Terminator movie at some point but I imagine they are getting to the point where they're like I don't think that's wise in terms of being able to make money which sucks because I don't even want more Terminator stuff however I don't like the idea that this is how it ends they've destroyed it to this degree or um entertainments damn guys that was pretty thorough of you meanwhile you know Star Wars and MCU they can still get releases and everyone will still watch it for all someone regarding the money for Dominion Google says the budget was 185 million and the box office was 949 million yeah there you go still going good oh yeah I wouldn't be surprised if they give it a full year and they'll probably do another trilogy for Jurassic Jurassic universe or some shit base dinosaurs what's on soldier boy in season 3 of the boys I am the only one that can't anything about it he's like the first big superhero that existed in the universe he was hated by everybody because he's just a strict asshole really horrible person he would arbitrarily kill people say the worst things you could imagine and only cares about himself he legit like I don't even know if he has feelings that are definitive for like other people there are scenes that imply so but it can be dropped in a second so I'm not sure what I was gathering from him exactly he gets betrayed by his team and I think they think some of them think he's dead I can't remember if all of them do but he's presumed dead but he's captured by I think Russians and he's put on ice after experimentation and then fast forward to season 3 and the boys they're searching for something and they stumble across him and release him by accident he has super strength I presume super like endurance and healing but the one that's really weird is he like you know can like generate a nuke within himself it like blows up everything around him and it will vaporize buildings and kill people but if you do it to a soup it will remove their power no matter what power really really strange and specific but they realize that is what they can defeat Homelander with and that's the thrust of the plotline in season 3 isn't he immortal he might be on that from the season fries the V out of their system yeah somehow that's a great addition to that sentence that's what it do I don't know I wanted a lot more out of the writing I thought Jensen Akles was fantastic I really enjoyed watching him do his stuff but like he's just not given much I was so ready to like soldier boys I was like alright this seems like it could be cool but he's just a horrible asshole unfortunately yeah I've talked a bit about it but like season 3 I thought was shit as well but it's no surprise and there's no there's no passion from me to want to force rags and bring it through it so we can do like an e-fab on it the season 2 just I just killed any interest I have in it honestly yeah hail I heard there may be a Kongfap sometime if so I recommend you cover the Japanese film King Kong vs Godzilla 1962 and you can compare it to Godzilla vs Kong may the dawn bless you and high rags hello that could be interesting to see the difference in ideals and approaches because we I don't even know if we'd end up really liking the 1962 one or not but it would be such a different experience then could be super charming and they might actually have to focus on like our human POV characters and making them god forbid likeable and interesting could be or maybe the new stuff is just following in the tradition and I just want all the humans to die we'll see I don't know and this the the east west difference in making movies who I mean who knows how big that will be hey getting to watch my third most favorite racist sexist podcast as a sanded as a sanded deck in 73 78 degree weather also more to get in the jar I want to get in the get in the jar hmm I guess he's sanding a a deck in 78 degree weather you need a you need a parasol at that point okay so you got one 78 center center Celsius what was what is centigrade what is that that's what the C is right in the degrees C thing if you're asking me right like Celsius and Centigrade are those the same or those two different things I'd have to Google all I says same thing okay Centigrade I like Centigrade better it has more centigrade scale yeah yeah I like Celsius and Centigrade as woods I think they both sound kind of near well because Celsius is named after and the Celsius was centigrade when he invented the centigrade temperature scale but they renamed it Celsius off to him oh so it's kind of neat yes not many people get to have a temperature scale named after them yeah I mean there's like three well yeah because there's Celsius Fahrenheit and Kelvin is data pronounced data or data either way the name is I think it's just either I think it's one of those regional things yeah that's my assumption but I think that data's name like the character of Star Trek is always data also I think as we're saying this somebody was on a stream but apparently the reason they all call him data is because Patrick Stewart was the first one to read out the name when they were rehearsing like even the first episode or whatever so it just followed it yeah I think so fair enough I don't know if that's true it just sounds interesting as an idea you know well Patrick Stewart is a very like he was an established actor before TNG so he already had that kind of gravitas to his you know presence so if he says data I'm saying data yeah because that's the way we had like there were many actors who were like British Thespians who come over to America and then they headline or support this fledgling American TV show there's quite a few examples of it it's really strange as a phenomenon yeah a lot of Brits trained some of the best British actors you'll be like so where did you start out and it'll be like theater it's always British theater doing plays American actors see they're just like theater gay I'm just gonna go straight into making movies seen the new rock stars was that do you remember Leopold from The Simpsons yeah fucking terrifying character alright you little jerks listen up you're gonna shut your stick and traps up my head dammit this is one substitute you're not gonna screw yeah he just looks like the most fucking stressed out human being there ever war I think what sold up for me was in his teeth the clenched shot perfect and the fact that he gets introduced by Skinner only to introduce Marge like what's the point in that and then they do it again when Ned Flanders becomes the principal alright listen up you little freaks must be quite the life of a of a substitute teacher who just because he's just no one respects you especially children which is the opposite of what a lot of people probably have is their lives or it's easy for a child to respect you a lot if you're an adult right especially in a classroom scenario the substitute teacher is like we don't fucking care about substitute you have no power here that was the gag because Bart had systematically like broken the souls of every substitute like they had more I mean and he's like he gave him like a fake list of student names and it's like um by your butt reeks by your butt reeks and he's like what are you laughing at oh is it it's my oh fuck what did he say it was like it's my um it's like my forehead isn't it or something was well I can't help that his nose yeah I think yeah it's like my hideous nose well I can't help that runs away crying and then yeah last up is Marge so that screws up all of Bart's plans he says it's my big years oh my big years that's right well I well children I can't help that why he runs away so fucking bizarre to bow the replacement teacher replacement teacher boy the guy who routinely just points guns at his patrons you ever like I'm gonna give you to the count of three oh fuck what was it like he was pointing the gun at one of like the guys who's always in the bar but doesn't have a name and it's like you know I'll give you to the count of three one just shoots him in the back as he's running away I had some guy try to stick up my bar what did you do though well it was it was a real tense situation but I managed to shoot him in the spine he just started cheering sure homer I can lend you some money but I've got but since you got no collateral I'm gonna ask that you pay in advance oh geez though I really like my legs couldn't you just bash me in the head hey are you a loan shark do you understand how financials work and then he just pulls a sledgehammer out from under his now let's do this thing I've been nervously backed out did I got disconnected temporarily there I hope nothing didn't hear you or at least I didn't oh I'm suggesting is that you guys may have been unheard for a moment by the general populace however the reupload will be fine no problemo how many times have you watched it a lot yeah well if one of my favorite do you remember when Bart gets expelled from school because like there was a Willys lawnmower was just sitting outside and then the lawnmower just comes to life he's like come on Bart yeah and it betrayed him because it's laughing he starts going like he starts going like when he gets expelled the lawnmower is just like he loses it's lid you have to understand bringing me both from a generation where we watched Simpsons on repeat that's just it's foundational back in the day one of the tv stations here would play Simpsons every night of the week and Simpsons out were like three days out of the week so like it was just lots of Simpsons I was the opposite wasn't allowed to watch Simpsons it was in a I wasn't allowed to watch Simpsons I had the entire fucking collection I bought season box sets and individual box sets and I wanted them just to have them not even because I needed them Fox 8 weekends oh yeah when like Fox 8 would do a Simpsons marathon man that was some good shit like I remember I think they ran a marathon that was like every single episode of the Simpsons for a whole week mm-hmm so like you just turn on and there just be Simpsons good shit I uh it's just not a thing that happens these days people I've probably watched as much South Park as Fringard did Simpsons I've watched lots of South Park though as well I could as well because it's kind of weird thing because I was it was just like family guy American dad future on the South Park Simpsons I was just watching them all yeah exactly our future on was really cool I enjoyed family guy a lot obviously I look I still I still like kind of respect the earlier parts of family guy yeah I just feel like it's yeah I don't know it's like is that weird YouTube short stuff I've seen a couple of clips of newer family guy stuff and there's some that I'm just like yeah it's funny that was alright now there's gotta be right you'd hope so hope so for no other reason than long averages one of the most interesting thing I saw right so there's this clip where the meme in the episode I get what the plot I should say is that uh Lois is bad at cooking so Bonnie starts providing meals for Peter and it's treated as though he's cheating on Lois right narratively speaking and he's having food at Joe and Bonnie's house and then he sees that Joe's come home early and it's treated again like oh god we're you know we're currently cheating and the husband is home so Peter hides under the table then Joe like rides up and he sees that his literal meal has been eaten by someone and he's like thanks for chewing my food for me before because I don't know I just like okay so what's the joke and then I think Peter's waiting for an opportunity to get out and so Joe is like I need to empty my my like colostomy bag whatever and it's just like okay so he goes to it but he like makes several self deprecating jokes beforehand that delivered very straight and then he just there's a joke about how his legs are all liberty floppy he's like paralyzed from the waist down and then Peter gets up and he's like you know we can never speak this sort of thing and then leaves and I was just like okay that wasn't much of anything I checked by chance the comments and there was like several discussions that were very passionate and highly voted about how Joe has been ruined as a character that he used to be a very confident cop who despite his disability would show that like it's much more about your character and that he wouldn't let people walk over him he would he was quite you know inspiring and respectable but these days in family guy he's just the butt of every fucking joke they can't resist being like lol look he's disabled lol look he's disabled and one of the other comments I saw was like yeah this is like the opposite of woke in a bad way and I was like oh shit they were like yeah there's just like ain't it funny that he's disabled instead of being like you know never make fun of anything to do with disabled issues it's just the uh that's all we got and I was like wow the family guy fans are still like you know they want certain things I think family guy the problem that family guy suffers from is that it's um I think that show is like became quite mean spirited hmm and I think family guy because of that yeah I think family guy something that a lot of people like to point out is that Homer is a much better father than Peter and the reason why they can say that despite the fact that like a lot of the stuff that's presented in The Simpsons would show that Homer is like pretty incompetent and in some ways like really really like not a good parent at all yeah the reason why people still say that is because of the stuff like the Maggie episodes that show like the tremendous sacrifices he's made for the sake of the family like there's a lot of redeeming qualities of Homer that shine through there's a lot of redeeming qualities for everybody right like Bart is a mischievous kid but he does like care about preserving the relationships he has with his family like he doesn't like it when he disappoints large in particular that yeah that episode is just remembered because it's like every kid would know that feel we are like oh shit would you would you feel like I'm disappointed my parents and that's that's like what The Simpsons has is that like it has hot whereas I think what happened with family guys that it just became like um isn't it funny that Peter's a dick to his kids and everyone well isn't it funny you know like shoots Meg with a gun like isn't that funny yeah it's gone to that point and then the problem is that you've even lost like Lois because even Lois is like a asshole as well so like everybody's just and Brian turned into a huge jerk to um like Stewie's a much more sympathetic character than Brian now yeah which is insane you're right because Stewie was supposed to be almost pure evil but he became way more well known and he was evil now he's just gay um well I think that he's better characterised than most of the people in that show at this point he's probably less one dimensional than a lot of them but yeah they they haven't smithers him which is funny because now we're going back to being critical of Simpsons again Smithers became he's the gay one instead of having references and he having a full character it's the flanderizing same with like Principal Skinner, Principal Skinner is like it's it's worth noting like how much is Vietnam stuff like informs who he is um but now it's kind of just like isn't he kind of pathetic you know and like hapless when that was not who Skinner was um it's like you can't resist telling the jokes so much so that you lose a lot of the substance of the characters that made them who they are same with Flanders yeah I mean Flanders is the prime example of that isn't he it's um it's just uh yeah I don't know I think Family Guy is like so determined to like tell jokes um and very disinterested in character and that that wasn't always the case it didn't used to be like that but like they can't resist a joke that they think is kind of funny they throw everything at the wall and so there's like maybe no quality control and what's the consequences that the characters become exactly what they need to be for the sake of a joke um and someone in chatter said I have a hard time calling jokes their insults with shock value a lot of Family Guy humor is shock yeah you weren't expecting that and that's the joke um like isn't it hilarious how Brian got like thoroughly like assaulted and harmed by Stewie because of a small loan he's like oh I like that joke a lot I like the joke about the the loan and how he refuses to pay it back but I think no it he just keeps delaying he just doesn't feel like it he doesn't think it's a real loan like that's what I like that's funny about the build up is that Stewie's like hey yeah like you know you gotta pay me back soon it's like you gotta pay me back oh you gotta pay me back like it's really funny that actually gonna go against the grain on this one especially because I know a lot of people like it I agree with rags I didn't like that joke because it felt like it portrays how Stewie feels about Brian completely yeah I legitimately really really hated I've not consumed much of the show but I legitimately did not like that at all to the point where I was really turned off from the show from that I think that um it really the only benefit you can get out of it is the exact thing you were just describing is the problem that family has right now which is that it's how shocking is that and it's like yeah that is shocking Stewie wouldn't do that I think I think a problem that family guy has is that they never know when to end a joke have you seen a clip it's um yeah you know the song that's like do do do do do do do do do do do do do do you know that song um if your points gonna be that they fucking play a song for too long we've done that many times it has a long intro it has a really long intro it's like a minute long intro before the lyrics kick in and so Lois is like oh Peter did you like I don't know put something in the dishwasher that you weren't meant to and so like Peter the song starts playing and he's like using it to delay saying anything and so it's just a one minute intro of listening to the song he sings the first line of the lyrics and he said yeah it was me I did that and then he just keeps singing the song and it's like man that's like a minute of screen time just fucking gone like yeah I generally care for those jokes you have to be really careful with those it is the word yep that's that's what came to mind as well yeah the whole first seven minutes of that episode is just bird is the word oh it's painful um and then you have the the joke is that the joke has got on too long it's like okay but the joke got on too long I know that doesn't mean it's funny and it's so interesting because um the third chicken fight is like five minutes long it's it's about a quarter of an episode and when you realize that it's like dude this episode has like very little going on in it like the fact that you can spend five minutes on it on a chicken fight which I enjoy those chicken fights but like isn't that just funny that you could spend so long on like a fight without having any um like advancing of the story at all I don't think you can do that in The Simpsons where you can spend five minutes one joke you know The Simpsons has a lot going I mean you know it sounds a little bit cruel but it's like well The Simpsons usually were telling stories uh family guy less so well because I guess something that's comparable you remember when they go to the candy convention there's a lot of great jokes in that one that was the uh the homosexual harassment episode it is and it was ahead of his time by fucking decades there were so many great jokes in the uh in the candy convention where like Maud sits down and gets like a stick of celery and then a security guy's like you gotta put some sugar on that or get out he actually just pulls it over a handbag right yeah and then he just immediately comes up and tells her and then when like yeah the guvvy venus gemilo and it's like he wants to steal it he's like you know this is gonna be like quite tricky haha just punches the glass and steals it and then when they're running away god damn one of my favorite jokes in that show when he gets the uh vending machine gets like the coke and then mixes it in with like um oh it was like yeah two really fizzy things combined he throws it like a grenade and runs away from the explosion in slow motion so good and it's like there's so much inventiveness in that as an action sequence and I only even lost like 30 seconds but it feels way longer than that yeah pop rocks that's it see you in half the candy boys oh I love it good times yeah because that is what would happen if you put pop rocks on a like a coke it would explode in a lava hole building that's the thing they just they could throw jokes like there was the one when um when moleman he's just promoting solar energy and that's just like this FBI looking guy like so this stuff really works it certainly does oh well lots of luck and then karate chops him in the back head and then they just change it out for like oil and gas it's just such a it's like 10 seconds for a joke and then you're just moving right on to the next one they just machine gun out jokes the guberman stopping stopping stopping paul hans moleman the most unfortunate man hans moleman's life is just paid you're doing your job today mr son mr son then sets on fire I'm 31 years old dude that was one of my favorite jokes when I first heard that alcohol has ruined my life man getting hit by football as well oh man it's like oh this contest is over give that man the ten thousand dollars I don't think we could literally make a podcast of remembering simpsons hey we're doing that great simpsons joke yeah hey if these big corporations can make millions off of remember things surely we can make a podcast out of it yeah like um now I'm just thinking again about simple jokes when homo goes back to get his job and it's like are you a new applicant with this nice big door it's like no I'm actually coming to get my job back through there and it's like a little dog hole and then he has to crawl through a bunch of dirt and mr birds is standing there waiting for him to come out so come crawling back they created a door to make the employee literally come crawling back for a job dude I like I feel like something mr birds would do including but not limited to fucking things that can kill his employees cause he's a fucking horrible person but hey many I want you to tell me why you should keep your job without using the letter E oh okay I'm a great work you're fired but I didn't you will press the button he falls down the trap door um I am going to go to the resting room so continue I'll be back his poor eye there's so many jokes about the things that happened to Lenny's eye getting the pudding thrown in his eye oh my eye I'm not supposed to get pudding in it and then getting soaped as oh and then the punchline I think there's a good example of a running gag Lenny's eye just keeps getting hurt um and then uh and then like the punchline was there's this guy promoting something called omni gogs that are just these really strong sturdy goggles and he like pulls off a rubber band it hits him in the face he's like I'm alright folks thanks to my omni gogs and then Lenny turns around with a patch on his eye a little late for a lady a little late for a lady to get his omni goggles alright and then of course someone's reminded me in chat the goggles they do nothing when radio wolf castle is getting swept away by the like one million dollar single take of the radioactive stuff that one's got a lot of good jokes too uh millhouse we've got to shoot the jimmy jillicose seat again but we did it it took 18 hours but we did it it's done no we got to shoot it for every angle well again and again and again and again and again just tracks about real acid the end of the goggles it's kind of funny because I mean that's a that's a um that's a relic from like a different time when you had a shot that cost one million dollars that you had to shoot once and get it right now it doesn't matter no shot cost one million dollars anymore I guess um much like family guy this segment of remembering the simpsons funny moments has gone far on far too long I disagree I could do this for forever this is a breeze I make no claims what about how long or short this segment should be the fine segment considering that moller is in the loo room and I have nothing to really add when it comes to remembering simpsons because I've watched so little of it we can't continue with it well it's just we can't continue with the superchats at the moment so you're gonna have to wait for a second that's true moller hordes them all in his golden cave and we only get to experience superchats through his generosity with his blessings do south park oh yeah I could I really could there's a lot of south park south park gags south park is a really rare show though in that it's been going for I think 25 years now I think it's up to 25 years and it's still relevant and funny um I don't know that I'd say it's as funny as I think I usually describe the peak as like season 6 through 10 that's like what when I think of like what south park is I usually think of that era but um the fact that it's still really entertaining now and it's not even going to end anytime soon they got like a 900 million dollar deal with Viacom to like make a whole bunch of streaming specials for our south park in a few new seasons thoughts on bobsburgers I like bobsburgers I actually started watching the movie but then I stopped I should finish it I remember when bobsburgers um it just wasn't grabbing me the film I don't think did it not feel like the show or it did feel like the show I just wasn't um I think maybe I need to give it a second chance though um I think because bobsburgers been going for a long time as well like over a decade and um I haven't watched all of it I think I watched like a few seasons I remember season one was a bit like by season two it kind of started to figure out what it was um and then it started getting funny I remember there was a really great gag where Bob is teaching Tina how to drive in an empty parking lot um and like Tina is like a very kind of neurotic and nervous person and um she's driving the car she's steering it the only car in the lot and Bob is just sort of there like no it's fine uh Tina you're kind of driving towards the only car in the lot alright Tina you can turn one direction Tina you're just swerving back and forth turn one way and stick with it Tina and then you just start screaming for it stop the car as he starts to realize that she's going to drive straight into it and then the best part was um his car got destroyed the car that she crashed into had a little ding but she wouldn't let him just drive off without leaving a note and then the whole episode ensues from that um it looks like Mahler is Mahler's actually pooper chatting right now he says rags and foggy most influential media on your life well uh I think I think it's Lord of the Rings those movies were the most influential pieces of media in my life when I watched them in the theaters and everything I was pretty young impressionable and they were so good and they really just fed into I already liked fantasy stuff but I think those did such a they played a big part in really sort of cementing how much I love fantasy and the things I like about it the I had the CDs the soundtracks and I would just I would just listen to them constantly I just so much of that was great I love it love it to this day and it has characters that I just think about a lot and moments that I think about a lot that are very emotional and important and go out a good life lessons in there and examples of how you should be so I'm gonna say Lord of the Rings um I probably would be the Simpsons I know that we may move out all the references but like Simpsons was super formative um that's probably like the first real sort of love for for like a you know television show yeah like I think Simpsons I think my interest in the Simpsons explains a lot my perspectives on comedy cartoons and I guess an attitude in general towards like maybe like a more irreverence sort of like a preference for like an irreverence style of comedy satire that yeah like Simpsons is super important important and influential um and then of course because of the Simpsons that spun off into other things where I like Futurama um South Park basically like whatever cartoons I think that probably would have been the start though maybe I was always going to enjoy cartoons because I think animation is great I think there's so much you can do with animation that um like animation is um the the joy that can come from just like the way that something moves and how like unique and distinct that is to animation as like the core focus of the craft um there's just like a lot of great potential as well as um uh more brat than what you can do um in like a cartoon world compared to like a real world um there's just so many jokes at your disposal so many things that you can play around with like physics and you know surrealism and things not to say that those things aren't you know at the disposal of people making live action stuff I mean when you described animation is the all the different ways it could bring life to things I mean literally animation is from the Latin anima which is the spirit yeah exactly it's a great way to describe it it was weird when there was like theories about how like EFAP have this you know lame bias against animation and it was always like is that a thing? there was a couple people who said it and the people that on the discord showed me I was like why the fuck is that like well because you were talking about most influential media someone was like oh it's going to be Angel for more and it's like well it's Buffy and Angel or Simpsons Simpsons is a pretty fucking foundational for me I don't remember things before the Simpsons okay I was watching and I was obsessed with it one of my favorite stuff is cartoon Simpsons Archer South Park Looney Tunes watching all over the place for like a huge portion of my life so it was so odd to hear that and then I think once we did the arcane episodes people were like oh they don't hate animation anybody thought that not at all actually kind of adore it well not even kind of I do adore it like it's an incredible thing that exists that we make as humans like animation is so cool or whatever species we may be of course hmm uh seen the new rock stars video on Suicide Squad they claimed that Enchantress is better than Avengers one Loki because at least she's not another angry white man nice I totally agree but um new rock stars new rock stars I've only known them as the people who are like if you see in this scene we have four statues one of them is the god of death from blah blah blah blah this could mean that we'll have future movies regarding that god fighting thorns that sort of thing I didn't think they would ever argue that Enchantress is better than Loki because she's not white she's like she's not a man she's whitish yeah well yeah cause she changes colors right when she goes super evil demon mode I thought she was like a south American kind of wow that's well Karatelefin is British I was gonna say it's possessed a white lady so yeah he's transracial Pringy I don't uh I'd be curious to see that I'm surprised that rock stars would try that but uh you know why not I guess if you're running out of things to say about a film uh I know why they want the sock wink wink I don't I don't to keep their feet warm not to defend this film but it is implied only the necrosword knew what the key was oh yeah I think we talked about that and I said that's the problem is the establishing that and then also having it so that all the gods know where eternity was or the key remember Zeus knows it's gotta go beyond the necrosword I like how I'm giving that to the film too the necrosword what is that the necrosword knows it just knows the stuff too was the necrosword crafted from some ancient temple from a demon in the mcu universe too and they can make more of them probably that's how I'd do it I know why they, oh wait someone said that twice the sock thing okay this will get two of them hello all my tacos oh hi there is no center of the universe the big bang was everywhere also are these similar to gods in moon man like multiverse where contradictory views of the same concept exist in separate media I haven't seen moon man or red whatever it might be but the mcu's definitely got contradictory views on pretty much everything at this point yeah what doesn't it have contradictory views on should really put it well when he said it feels like a bad parody of tyker's humor and that is the movie that killed phase 4 for him well phase 4 is about to be over so I'm sorry that this is I'm glad that you had a breaking point it's a shame it took you this fucking long I don't even like if someone said what killed phase 4 for you I'd be like well it was never alive we started with wonder visions the first thing right what's a body can you resuscitate it not what point is it dead and it's like they I think the closest we got was no way home but there was no reason to think anything else would have been able to entertain me like that because we are now hyper aware of the writer's directors and the process of mcu films being made it's not like when I was super young where I would just be like it's the next one will this one be good if I know Michael Walters writing a thing that I'm about to watch I have like no reason at all to think that there would be anything good at it and yeah I bet $10,000 it'd be shit hello all my tacos again oh hi there corg was only mostly dead yeah it totally makes sense wait jay's here DLS time baby everyone look away especially you mel also going to be seeing this film next week fuck my life there's no god like this is the film that got you on that point just like why would god allow Thor Leather Thudder to happen can't be real better call soul theory Gus will give birth to skinny Pete this will explain why he is in fact he's fatter in better call soul than in Breaking Bad okay um that's the theory yeah it could happen ringy once asked is revenge of the fallen better than phase 4 yes because the CGI is finished and Optimus 1v3 fight is still badass I remember so little of those films it's kind of like Pirates of the Caribbean after the first one it's just sort of sludge as to what occurs in what movie I'd have to see him again I'm pretty sure revenge of the fallen is like utterly incoherent it's just the reason why I brought it up I'm pretty sure that the whole like central plot doesn't make any sense at all third one no it's the second one third one is Dark of the Moon which is also terrible um yeah because I'm trying to remember third one is is the third one with um Leonard Nimoy yes that's right okay Sentinel Prime or something that's the thing I did watch all these films just uh stuff to remember move on Mula it's not about the views it's about sending a message oh yeah just having the chat you know a nice chat today nice chat rags is literally the best at saying hello well I've had a lot of practice working on it say professionally a hello sayer I'm a I'm a I'm a professional greeter this is literally not a super chat huh hmm it was listed as a super chat weird strange there's clearly some confusion here are you still out there raw apparently he is how could we ever know for sure hey fellas if you're looking for a new EFAT mini show I highly recommend Resident Evil on Netflix it's an unhappy marriage of Batwoman and Boba Fett I don't want to watch it that's already out of the zeitgeist as well again I still he doesn't want to watch it I think so yeah I guess Fringy he does I don't think I want to watch it oh Fringy we're gonna so strap on we're doing it we're watching the movie and we're watching the show Fringy you went to the cinema it's Thor Love and Thunder okay so I did oh yeah I didn't expect us to be that bad yeah you know what maybe everyone's overblown the Resident Evil show maybe it's really good yeah maybe we can be we could be controversial for something we don't mind being controversial about for once yeah Thor 4 was a visual diarrhea even in 3D sold it in 3D as if even in as if something being in 3D means that it'll have less visual diarrhea you know I often forget this and I have to remind myself the one time I've seen The Rise of Skywalker I had to see it in the 3D theater because of just the way that tickets or whatever worked or something I saw that movie in 3D well hey great that's awesome right great an extra dimension of incredible whole new dimension of fun yeah movie with shit do you like the idea that fan content such as fan art, comics, films games etc are illegal when it's based on a brand like Star Wars illegal it depends on what you do with it it's not the it's copyright infringement right it's a tough one because it's probably case by case right someone made something absolutely incredible but it is entirely reliant on that copyright but they're not looking to make money they just want people to be able to have access to it and the company's like no you can't do that fan art and things like that should totally be allowed yeah it just feels awful it's like oh man they work so hard the ones that really I was gonna mention wasn't it the Metroid one where they made it yeah another Metroid 2 remake came out and then I think it got taken down because they were making their own Metroid 2 remake there's a lot of little things like that that happen they're like aww but they come from rules that are in place for good reason as well to protect people from having their stuff get taken yeah so it's like case by case as far as I'm concerned because you can get people who are doing a sneaky I hope you're having that that's really cool and I think that it makes sense I think it makes sense for a lot of companies to allow fan art to exist it's a good way to get people to be invested in like a particular IP to be creative and express themselves and tell them more of themselves to it and it just keeps your thing like more relevant it just makes sense to allow yeah because people are talking about it right they're still engaging with that particular content it's a thing let me ask you this will you go ahead Mahler I was just going to say that's the thing that happens a lot with Freeing's microphone I'm used to it now where he'll stop and then he'll speak pretty fast after about a 2 second gap that catches him back up I feel like I didn't miss a word I feel like we're playing fast and loose with time travel here on internet well so you just did it with your rags where you cut out oh my god from my point of view you're cutting out for a second and then speaking really fast well you are lost that should have been Anakin's line but yeah I think that's a good thing generally absolutely yes there is I know in let's say that you had an artist and you went to this artist and said I would love you to draw my character my youtube persona my furry whatever it is my sonic OC and I want you to draw them in like stormtrooper armor or I want you to draw them as a as a guardians of the galaxy character something like that should that where does that sit in terms of legality can I pay this artist to draw something that is copyrighted I mean you can somebody for that services essentially yeah I guess legally because ethically I'm totally fine with it but legally I wonder is that one of those technically it's not illegal but there's just no possible way to stop people from doing that like I'm not sure what it looks like where somebody said draw my youtube avatar yeah how could you possibly stop that or police it yeah I'm not sure what that looks like and it seems like it would be more trouble than it's worth probably and plus there is an element of like are we gonna look like such dicks that it hurts us it's better it's almost like this is just free advertising in a sense where like yeah someone's getting paid 40 50 60 100 whatever dollars to do this drawing and yeah it contains our copyrighted stuff but people are gonna see that and associate it with us or our brand or and it's just worth it it's a it's um yeah I just complicated does the production value of fan content matter when it comes to how legal it is what do you mean that's all they've said so I guess we have to in fear one more time does the production quality your approach on how legal fan art is so I'm like how when it comes to fair use there's there's factors that are considered and one of them is like if you're making money off of it but it's not like a determining factor I thought by production quality they mean like how good it is well made it is I mean that that's irrelevant like I don't see how that has any bearing at all whether it's good or bad as an illustration or something in the extremes it probably would be relevant in the it's such a bad drawing of a stormtrooper they don't even like yeah they're like yeah it's just like a weird stick man that's that's all but generally it should be the determining factor no I disagree why would it be the only determining factor if you're making money off of it I'd be curious what they've decided which which direction they go in there like if it's good enough it shouldn't be allowed to be sold or if it's bad enough it shouldn't I mean let's put it this way let's say somebody writes a book and you're like this is my family production everything is the same except I change one word but I'm releasing it for free that should be allowed I mean hell just piracy where I'm just going to upload stuff and I'm not going to make any money off of it the principle of all of this is that because you created something you should have the exclusive rights to determine how it's used with exceptions like limitations yeah criticism parody those are things that are allowed but I mean that's the point and you could say that one of the secondary points is to prevent people from making money off of what you made right because that's obviously something that people are opposed to but like the making money part it's the reason why Nintendo could take down that metro tomb remake and there's no recourse because it's they own metro that's their intellectual property to do with as they please of course they always had the choice to leave it up right they could leave it up which I think that would have been the right decision to make like on it because like if somebody spent eight years working on a fan project like you know come on there's kind of that attitude like come on man um but of course they're allowed to do it yeah most companies will let you do it like you it's this same as let's plays and long plays the companies will let you do it but they could choose not to at any point in time um and whether or not you'd be allowed to continue doing it anymore would be either you're not allowed to or you would have to I don't know have some sort of legislative legislative reform or change needs to start as easy and motive yeah you're doing the gaps a couple of times well you know everything you said is was clear it's just that there's this weird moments where you pause for two seconds and then you speak fast for a little bit and catches up right the worst thing about it is that it prompts me and rags to say something sometimes yeah and we're like oh no no wait a minute I'm still talking that's what I will say is that uh whatever we're interrupting you a little bit harsher that you may have thought it's probably because we thought you stopped talking um but yeah uh I don't be our excuse for always now if we just decide we want to talk over you because like I fuck what Fringis talked about I want to talk about cupcakes oh sorry bring you no not at all didn't even imply it in fact I applied the opposite I implied that it was maybe preferable true watch reactions to Kenobi episode 3 when the Jedi names appeared on the walls one person said wow so many characters can have shows now I don't want to live on this planet anymore yeah yeah that sounds rough think of the potential we can watch even more shows of Jedi being shit watch hell or high water for good writing I don't know what that is maybe it's a question do you want to watch hell or do you watch high water if you're looking for good writing in which case I don't know which of those two things so I was thinking if I was to watch hell it's like oh god I don't want to be in hell do I? there's some issues with hell in terms of writing consistency so I assume that high water is we're assuming this is on a screen because if it's high water then I'm actually there it's like oh shit am I okay am I dying what's going on well underwater is high water right there's it I mean it goes up really high and that was a pretty good movie so I certainly enjoyed it what like a six I think yeah I think it was pretty good I think it was a slightly above average on our scale no the water world no underwater I guess they may be saying yeah water world would count as high water it's all relative really but I think it's fair to say most water is high except for that puddle yeah I could see the one you're talking about right there Wanda's victims deserve justice Wanda dying is just running away again they should have put her on trial and sent it to the tallest gala that would be too good for her this isn't going to come up when she comes back and she will come back she'll save the day and she'll say I'm so fucking sorry to like Dr. Strange maybe America Chavez maybe Wong who knows and then like you know Galactus will be there going rah and then she'll fire lasers at him and they'll all work together and then she'll be like I know you can never forgive what I've done but remember I'll always be there for you guys if you need me and then she'll run away and then she'll have another fucking TV show where she's gonna have to fight Agatha again or some bullshit until she is like they're just they're desperately going to try and repair her they're getting her back to hero status but it'll never work because they don't have the balls to have her actually be responsible and this is this Westview was one thing right that was that was one thing what she's done after MOM is it's over this how do you even come back from it yeah I don't know fucking insane are you gonna go into the Illuminati universe and go apologize to all the families of those people you killed no you're not you're gonna forget that ever happened I hate it the movie feels like it was written for the guys in the mental hospital during pudding time well hey at least they're happy then somebody gets something out of Thor Love and Thunder that's good uh Ralph the movie maker did reviews of Ragnarok and Thor Love and Thunder in one video if you plan on covering Love and Thunder reviews that would be a good choice because it has Tism I'm pretty sure I actually happened to listen to that I was building some shelves and I needed something and I saw it on my home page I don't remember finding anything he said interesting no offense to Ralph I just remember thinking like this is very prosaic take on movies he didn't seem to care that much I don't know if it would be like the sort of thing that would be worthwhile for like an eFap especially after all the discussion we've had on Thor Love and Thunder at this point it's funny we've had the two catch ups on the movie which at this point we've talked a whole bunch about it and good old Doctor Strange and that keeps popping up oh I'm watching Stranger Things the first time and we just got to Season 3 and I've never hated a season this far in my life I hate what they did to Hopper that is the feel that is why I was never going to touch Season 4 but then I did in J Fly why is J hiding the ability to fly from us what kind of sicko would keep that under wraps also high racks I don't know I'm Wally yes sorry this is about music I know you're mostly into classical metal I've listened to Gojira B4 I think you'd like them eFap for the ages here they want to save whales oh that's nice of them but uh no I've not listened to them before I've recently been listening to Blind Guardian I didn't realize what kind of music they made it's weird how bands that have been around for like decades we were just like I know of them but I never really listened to them properly Wheel of Time specifically the song they made presumably inspired by Wheel of Time the books Walk in Hell that is one of the best songs that exist as far as I'm concerned it's Wheel of Time by who Wheel of Time yeah as I said Wheel of Time I thought you were saying we love time which to be fair oh I love time yeah we love time we love time nice guys shout out to Taj yeah I just wanted to do a song committing to Wheel of Time yeah Wheel of Time by Blind Guardian I was shown it by a friend recently and I was like oh fuck this is everything I like about my favorite music I'm not gonna promise everyone else would like it but I was a big fan I've listened to it probably too many times or maybe there's no such thing good for editing audio too because music you can kind of get away with if you put it on low enough so you might miss on like little artifacting sometimes it turns up in bad takes in this that way or the other um wouldn't it have been great if Gore caused actual doubt on Valkyrie and Jane since Thor and the other gods had abandoned them as well you could tell I thought that's what they were going for yeah there was a tiny idea about that the tiniest sliver of an idea and then it was gone it like mentioned it and yeah as soon as it came it went imagine how cool it would be if you know you made so the sword gave Gore like an encyclopedic knowledge of God's histories maybe I don't know it's kind of a magical thing at that point but um you know you could know remember Odin's history is apparently like blood soaked so you could easily have Gore let Thor know about all this shit um and really test his resolve on like what the gods have done for the world really and you know there's an easy arc there's easy storytelling shit to be done there but we didn't we didn't we didn't do it that much do it the spiders crafted Gore's sword so he could read the script well you must have been surprised when you found out he was playing four different characters uh axing but you know not possible Lord Longbong of Mewbschlington Abbey is there any good chance of a Kongfap of Peter Jackson's long Kong and there's less going on there'd be a movie fap for the ages yes oh well wagsies, scritches for the good boy oh thank you there we very we very possibly just might do that I think that's a big possibility in the lands of possibleness and just saying if we do do it I will probably uh I'll probably enjoy that little journey I'd imagine we all would it's one of those movies that was considered pretty okay to good back then so it might even be great at this point you know how it be you know how it go I know it be and it be how it do the movie makes it seem like Jane is stronger and better when she's off meds so is Taika implying that you shouldn't be on meds no we ain't dealing with a Joker like that was clearly Joker's message I think that um the stream is officially longer than e-fap 195 the catch up for 195 is longer than 195 you guys just ask so many amazing questions uh yeah and like the it's a weird rule that they imply kind of that she would have made it had she stayed on the meds I don't know if they wanted to imply that or not but she chose the hammer your respect for the Pegasus name is appreciated yeah I wanted to make sure we don't just throw it around and give it to Thor Love and Thunder's horse you know I just wanted to make sure Disney not knowing old business saying you can't have it fast cheap and quality you can only have two of the three but not all you want it done fast do you want it done cheap well pick two yeah I've always I've always liked the idea that that's you cannot get all three it's literally impossible my father and who is an architect he uses that expression often uh when he talks about jobs and clients and things and it's something he often has to explain to people it's very rare that you can get all three of those things so just plan to get two well yeah all of the um the ideas I come up with my head I usually am like no because that no yeah I know because of that because anything I can think of that would offset it it would reset standards in general and then move things around if you know what I mean like if we cracked it so that I don't know you could get loads of labor really quickly and cheaply then it would make it so that quality becomes a whole new thing like the levels of quality would change and thus this would still apply this formula like it's just a constant this thing it's very good at helping you understand as well just like how this all works but the MCU is definitely gone with fast and cheap yes well yeah cheap all just cheap is just general low quality um well I guess I mean yeah because you'd be like cheap it's like hundreds of millions and I'd be like um cheap in terms of quality it's kind of like it's gonna it's gonna either be of low quality or it's gonna cost you little they're almost just intrinsically linked almost part of it I'm assuming is the fact that they just don't have enough people they could even pay to get the CGI work done they pile on like thousands of people already done nuts yo massives check out Severance on Apple TV it's a really cool show with a lot of neat stuff and it utilizes a lot of liminal cinematography the intro is also banger who also hi reg hi to you well gosh dingle dang don I don't I don't know what this Severance TV show is does that sound familiar to you Fringy I think I've heard about it I think I heard someone mention it it's been mentioned I think on EFAP4 actually Apple TV nobody's watching anything on Apple TV so someone mentioned earlier that that's where the dinosaur program I was talking about wanting to watch is actually on it feels kind of annoying and probably is so unfair for me to feel this way but I'm like Netflix Amazon okay Disney Plus Apple TV I'm like no come on you can't join the table I mean the real ones yeah and then Apple TV is like I have programs I have a whole UI setup what's wrong with me and I'm like I I have eye shows I don't know man I just I don't want how many fucking streaming services are going to be because Paramount Plus is another one right I don't know how many main ones there I don't even know what Hulu HBO Max yeah apparently HBO Max is going to be getting scaled back big time now haven't they all been reporting trouble like Netflix a lot of them have as well yeah it's Netflix is no longer the only cowboy in town it seems Netflix it seems has chilled I enjoyed the film but that's only because I mentally detached this film from previous films I view it as the spiritual sequel to Batman and Robin that's something you could do but the thing is Batman and Robin is fun it is fun and legitimately its goofiness can give me legitimate pleasure this movie makes me sad when it's trying to be very funny this movie is the try hard version of Batman and Robin they told me there's a timeline where Batman and Robin made tens of trillions and then they made several sequels and Arnie came back and Clooney kept going as Batman we had you know scarecrows shows up whoever it doesn't matter I would be very much interested in seeing those however when you say you know Thor Thunder Clap is coming out in 26 maybe by Taika Waitizi I'd be like I don't care I think people would be like well you know this one could be good can we just get told ahead of time with this one Taika do you give a shit just let us know can the time traveler visit me and just like let me know I was like just save your time I don't want to know the big things like when I die I just want to know if I should waste my time with the movie or not Joel Schumacher he cared okay when making Batman Robin gave a shit he got them Batman nipples in there you know you don't just casually not have those you either passionately put them in or passionately keep them out you know I we'll see we'll see what else then with Thor eventually hi rags you once asked what makes a good weld a good strong weld is smooth even and uniform across the entire length with tightly packed ripples that makes sense because you wouldn't want any weak points so I imagine consistency in your weld is very important it also must be properly fused to the base metal along each side with no holes, slag inclusions or imperfections inside it the best welds will pass an x-ray test oh that's kind of neat oh neat also shout out to all my fellow EFAP in the chat yeah welders unite, welders of the world rise up, join together in a uniform smooth fashion you weld the fuck out of stuff okay guys you get welded under clap sounds like an STD that's fair it's a god like STD in the final fight we see Gore about to die and he tries to put the sword back together so maybe his life force is tied to it well the implication is that the sword kills you eventually anyway as for it would end your life quickly if the sword would be destroyed after you've been cursed by it yeah maybe that could be the case Gore's accent keeps changing was really distracting was it changing a lot did you guys notice that the form of the sword no Gore's accent oh I can't remember honestly I just can't remember writing to pay attention to if his accent was consistent or not yeah I assume not because it's very talented actor who probably wouldn't do that unless Taika's like wouldn't it be fucking hilarious if his accent just changed probably imagine Chrissie Bale was like oh could we do another take there I think I fucked up he's like nah man that's great oh no it's organic we'll leave it in the center of the universe thing reminds me a bit of from Ratchet and Clank Crack in Time where Dr. Nefarious claims the timekeeper's clock is the very center of the universe give or take 50 feet yeah I mean that sounds like a funny sort of recognition of it uh 1 to 10 how much does this steal from Kratos I mean Kratos' story involves a god doing shit to him that's unfair and loved ones are affected so I suppose you could argue there's a lot of similarities for Gore but I think that's a well-told story enough that I wouldn't call it like plagiarism I just think that it's really badly executed you know child soldiers, Thor, love and war crimes I mean like it's bizarre the whole sequence is fucking weird but you know it was done that's when that's what happened sounds like Buffy when they did blah blah blah blah blah yeah but you know you know there's a significant set of differences there for compared to what Thor does the same thing was sort of in Shazam where Billy gave his adoptive siblings the same powers as him I'm gonna have to re-watch that before I can comment on whether or not that was better executed probably was compared to Thor Natalie Pullman suffering in a hospital bed after her lover endangers children she can't run away from the prequels yeah I guess maybe there was a reference you know Tiger could be a big fan of the prequels even though he didn't remember they even happened the power transfer was yellow instead of Thor's usual blue lightning so I'm guessing it was amped by Zeus's thunderbolts also check out the Kenobi re-edit it turns a crap series into a possible movie the only issue with that being something to be understood to be true is that he's explicitly talking about Thor like so if it's like well it's the combo of Thor and Zeus or something that means that that's something that he was aware of which means it's something that he should have suggested at the very fucking least they should have all, if you told the Avengers that I can do this if you guys get me Zeus's Thunderbolt I feel like the team would be like we're gonna take it off Zeus to be honest with you I don't see how Zeus is more powerful than Captain Marvel yeah Zeus is showing is not all that impressive I guess the ability to incapacitate Thor but even then it's like this is his home turf I get being killed in one hit by his own weapon like that wait when you say incapacitate Thor when he grabs him with the little things yeah it's like Thor rips himself out of that doesn't he maybe it for a time I don't know if the implication was that Thor wasn't gonna resist it until yeah like maybe yeah maybe or maybe it just matches the rest of the writing of power levels and shit yeah as a kiwi I apologize for this movie long man do an MOM vid obey your master do a multiverse of madness video that would be absurd I would never make a video on how would you finish it there's too much to talk about exactly that would be like a fucking 5 to 6 hour video or some shit you know that's an absurd idea never gonna happen next super chat says milk of the rhino nourish you massives may the dawn's light bless you that's a nice one friendly chad Thor one shots Thanos without hesitation virgin Thor ignores a still dangerous gore we're never getting chad Thor back on forever I hope Jane was an atheist before dying would be bummed out if I went to Valhalla instead of meeting my mom in heaven oh if they dude if they had like simultaneous fucking afterlives being confirmed but the problem is that you I don't know were Thor at the times you don't get to go to the other pantheons fucking Jesus how would they deal with that like we already have who knows how many afterlives there are there's at least two well actually there's loads is Valhalla actually confirmed though yeah apparently in the after credits I didn't see it we got that we got the ancestral plain the Egyptian one that's at least three surely there's more I feel like there's probably more right or are we I think there are more either way if you are like let's just say right before T'Challa's dad died he got the powers of Thor and died in battle would he then be like split in two and he would go to the two afterlives or something like I'd be it's gonna cause problems at that point it's funny as well because it's got nothing to do with criticism of religion in any way it's simply about what the hell happens if that happens yeah how does how does it work when you die just how does it work what happens what's going on what is this madness is confirming one afterlife was bad enough in the census like so this was the correct one guys but when you confirm the wall it's like okay but oh god I think Sif might have gotten five minutes of screen time I think that's more than she got I think she got a minute maybe sometimes you guys forget how long five minutes can be she got to say like fucking five lines or some shit or girl how do you all fan of the brood and all it has shown me I'm an aspiring action choreographer spurred on by the abundance of action in 90% of entertainment regarding choreography and story relevance your thoughts on it with you man good action that's done well for narratively purposeful ends it's really nice to see we love ourselves a good John Wick one yeah all of the normal things we usually talk about right like we we understand how powerful people are beforehand that's an important part of fights being done and then of course the choreography in the actual fight be it laser blast gunshots strikes with a sword whatever it is just stuff that represents what we believe to be their skill level and their intentions being represented and then yeah you need like intelligent ways for the fight to progress and end instead of it just being arbitrary we've lost that significantly I think I don't think I anticipated that back with TLJ I thought that was like an anomaly the throne room fight but it does feel like these days pretty much everything we've been looking at has been really bad for choreography particularly Star Wars has been a it's been abysmal in Star Wars the just how the way that fights are made legitimately awful it's all bad it's all bad the Boba Fabs out of Mando season 2 like that whole everything about it if you remember just like finale of the Boba Fed up it's hard to where do you begin it's just everything it's all bad all of the action in the show called Star Wars is terrible hi your dad your dad died in a lap and showed no emotion oh yeah I guess there wasn't a lot from his daughter was there I guess she was just so well like the film didn't even give it really that much time to talk about that what that means that her dad's dead you know we went straight to isn't it funny that Thor is her dad now I wonder if they'll drop that entirely probably don't know weird coincidence the number of rings each race got plus one ring together makes the year J.R. Tolkien died one nine seven three obviously this is a prophecy yeah but wait why did you put him in that order put up the one ring then obviously you go with man next why wouldn't you and then of course the dwarves and then else that's just this is that numerology stuff that people do with prophecies and things that I hear about is like oh that's still an interesting coincidence though it is kind of an interesting coincidence yeah it's neat that is a neat coincidence you're so vain you probably think this super chat is about you kind of I assume so it was sent to us but it couldn't be about anything it's not vanity by the way that that catches us up on episode one ninety was it ninety five yes oh wow and since we're at three hours I'll say that's the we will close out there however we've had some in today so what we shall do is collect the ones that came in today and the ones that came in on the last catch up I think the ones that need to be rescued I didn't answer those right yeah I need to I'll find out yeah because you guys would remember if we did that I'd imagine because it would have been within the last week so I don't think we did we'll collect those ones and the one from this one and then we will answer those on next Wednesday and that will mean we're caught up if this Saturday we are able to answer the ones that come in on the same stream see it's a healthy balance there are still like eight catch ups to come out on Mula we'll get there I'll probably release one tomorrow on Mula and I'll be doing open bar tomorrow as far as I know who knows what the subjects will be but until Saturday that would be a goodbye from all of us at eFAP.com there is no eFAP.com sorry but there is an eFAP.me there is great yeah anything you guys want to say before I close this out I do not think so I think that I think that's pretty good I think we did a pretty good job I think we did alright did a okay very well thank you all so much for watching thank you very much for the kind donations and thank you for keeping us company we shall see you next time bye bye bye yeah goodbye everybody see you later