 Hi, I'm Peggy Goers, and this is the feminist media review brought to you live at 525 on the second Monday of each month on channel 17 This is a live call-in show and the phone number is 8 6 2 3 9 6 6 I'm going to talk today mostly about the whole Hashtag me to all of the men in power who are Sort of finally getting out it as to what's been going on for years and years and years and not just in Hollywood but everywhere and It's interesting to look at a whole lot of things Let's see for one so I am Someone who grew up in the 50s and the 60s I graduated high school in 1963 When I was in high school there was a very very strong double standard Um, there still is but we had some illusions that that that that went away a bit, but um when I was in high school Any girls who were suspected of being sexual were pretty severely punished and looked at pretty poorly and um I learned a lot because I used to Hang out with a couple of boys And those boys would talk about the girls and they would talk about the girls they wanted and Usually couldn't get and what I did notice very quickly was if they did get somewhere Uh with these with the girls they desired they quickly turned into horrible tramps So this was a pretty good lesson to me what to do around men And what what they would be like um I hang out with those guys because I would sneak out and go go go out in the car with them And then we would just hang out not too far from my my house But it was it was a real education to hang out with these two guys who were my age But we're not you know, we're not guys that I was dating with guys that I knew and um I got to hear a lot of what they thought about women and that was a good education for me. Um Was it enough but um So then we supposedly had sort of a sexual revolution in the 60s with the hippies And you know sex became less uh more open Somewhat freer but really pretty much on on male terms Um it was still it was an improvement for women over the 50s where you know You just weren't supposed to be sexual at all So at least it was like it was kind of okay for women to be Sexual but then it was like women were supposed to be sexual for everyone in that whatever You know whenever men wanted it and um then it became more of a like you must be sexual So, you know, it rarely has been on women's terms Then with the one movement that ever really tried to look at sexuality from the point of view of females was the lesbian separatist and the lesbian feminist and of course those are the most reviled people Uh in the political sphere these days Because because that's not something patriarchy and a lot of men want to put up with But that was the only group that ever said, you know, what would a sexuality that was female centered instead of phallically centered be like and How would that be different and how might that be a better thing? But we kind of lost that battle we lost that battle a lot because Pornography really took over And that's a case of where the you know pornography was always there, but the internet has really made it tremendously More intense and more available so that your average 11 year old boy is getting his sex education From the internet and from pornography on the internet and pornography I think a lot of people think it's like, you know naked women and pictures of sex which isn't Is it's a lot worse than that most pornography now and the pornography most sought after is what's called gonzo pornography And it's very much about being abusive to women and Even the pornographers have gotten to the point where they don't know what to do next because they've done all kinds of Of really nasty stuff to women torture hanging them We even had snuff videos where women were killed on video And they're finding it hard to find out find more to do To keep keep up this what is really an addiction I I always like what susan griffin said. She said you know erotic desire is something that can be satiated But pornography is more like addiction. You need it always has to be more and weirder And more intense to you know to keep the audience so So pornography is everywhere and I I'm hoping that we'll get to show a little bit of gale dines If we can deal with the technical parts of it Because she there's no one who does a better job than talking about it And I I would highly recommend that you go to youtube and look at any of the videos that dr. Gale dines That's gale g a i l dines d i n e s And what she has to say so what we've got now is really the grossest kind of pornography You know wanting to understand about sexuality is fairly normal thing But that is not what pornography is the pornography that is going on is really vile And woman hating and has been for a long time and as people like andrew dworkin and katharine mckinnon have pointed out Pornography isn't Pornography hurts women Not only because of of the message it puts out of of being so You know abusive to women, but because actual women involved in it Have You know Have a very unpleasant jobs for the most part and they are not listened to and they are abused in that So that's that's one part of what's going on I think that's a part that has made or that has helped to make our entire culture Less empathetic it has certainly done a real number on male sexuality with young women reporting that you know to a therapist that you know That they're expected to do the kinds of things that their boyfriends see and porn and they're not that into it but The men expected there was one woman. I think I might have told this story already on this one who She made a film about women's breasts because She knew a young couple who were engaged and the man man confided in her and said I really love her on everything, but she had she doesn't have very great breasts And this woman thought her breasts are fine They're just you know And she realized that so many men didn't even know what breasts look like except for pornography where they tend to be airbrushed or Pumped up or silicon So she made a film just about just of breasts to You know sort of try to bring back the idea But it's porn is really taken over and and it's resulted in things like women Having labial surgery to be smaller and tighter and and in everybody feeling that they have to be waxed and not have hair And it's it's you know, it's it's really a pretty gross thing But that's one thing and that kind of sets up everybody To be more accepting of some of the worst stuff, but what has been coming out is The way men in power use it to abuse women to rape women to abuse them to sexually assault them and it's You know Harvey Weinstein is the is the name that we've heard most often we've also heard of Kevin Spacey and it's interesting that and one of the interesting thing to me about the Kevin Spacey cases that When a young man said this about Kevin Spacey, he was immediately believed to take seems to take 30 or 40 women To accuse a man before they are believed But it's not just hollywood this goes on everywhere And and has for a long time and it's not new in hollywood Some people have posted on facebook And one of the things that has come out is more, you know, harrah back in the 40s 1945 talked about Her unwillingness to give in to the casting couch and the Sexual requirements of some of the directors and producers in the movies that she wanted to be in and she lost some roles because of it But she wasn't having it And she spoke out about it, but it didn't make any difference We certainly had Anita Hill back in the 80s Who unfortunately had to deal with an entire panel of all men When she discussed to who Clarence Thomas was and what he had done To her and sexually harassing her and You know, she wasn't really believed by that group of, you know, all these great colleagues from the senate. They're so collegial. They just love each other You know, they're supposedly on opposite sides sometimes, but really they're a boys club and They certainly acted like a boys club around Anita Hill. So Clarence Thomas has been on the court To the detriment of the court and to the detriment of our judiciary Um, I would say and and uh, none of that is getting any better Now we have a sexual self-confessed sexual assaultor as the president and It kind of goes with him Hanging out as he did this week with a dutarte in the Philippines and he just loves dutarte who Has been shooting his own people and that is how he's just dealt with the drug problem by having a A death squad going around and shoot these people on the street We often in this country talk about, you know, we don't tolerate with people who's who killed their own people but We've got donald trump having a bromance with dutarte singing songs to each other just loving each other up in there alpha male Suppose it alpha male What I don't even know what to call it in their alpha male domination fantasy delusions so And it goes these all go together as does the whole Instance of the other thing that's been in the news has been tremendous horrible Shootings in las vegas over 50 people killed over 500 people injured And then a bunch of people 22 people killed in a church during church service And we always know When they say the shooter and they don't say muslim or black We always know it's a white male because they don't say when they don't say, you know, it's a white male Because you know if it was a muslim, you know, if it was a black man, you know It's just about never a woman So, you know when they don't say That it's a white man because we don't want to talk about how How messed up white men are and white men are really really messed up. They are the ones that carry out all these Massacres they are it is it is almost always them and and In the cases of sexual assault well, it it that crosses the color lines a bit more But there's a hell of a lot of white men out there doing this I mean there was bill cosby and it's it's interesting that The persona of these assaulters, you know, well in the persona and bill cosby was like Mr. Dad, you know, mr. The really good dad. I always found Bill cosby rather obnoxious because of his his Watching him on tv. It was he was always Pushing the idea that that there was nothing wrong with capital Punishment there's nothing wrong with physical punishment for children Which I don't really think is a good idea, but you know, he was always Seen as you know, mr. Dad and then we find out that he Had been sexually assaulting using drugs At least 40 women over the years And he hasn't gotten near the Just desserts Not jello Pudding But he hasn't gotten his just desserts really on that. So now we've got Harvey Weinstein We've got Kevin Spacey and we've got Louis C. K. Who? Who You know sort of tried to present himself as a feminist but But seemed to really have a problem particularly with lesbian comedians that he wanted to Assert his power over because that is what this is about with these men in power. It is not it is it's it's about sex Sort of but it's about asserting You know who they are. I'm so powerful I can you know, I can make you or break you or give you a role or not give you a role or I can be Louis C. K. And talk about How groovy I am with women and then I bring two women up to a room Then he brings two women up to a room and whips off his clothes I don't know what it is about men That makes them think that whipping out their dick is going to just thrill women You know, I'm a lesbian So I'm not very interested in sex with men at all But a lot of women are It's not that they don't want to have sex with men But I don't think there's very many women whoever thought that Having a man they didn't even know whipped out a stick was a really thrilling or exciting An interesting come on. I don't think that happens in fact, I was in college and In the university of Tampa and my very first date there I was just walking around the campus and the next thing I know I'm standing next to a guy with his stick out and my Reaction to that was get the hell away from me And I never had anything to do with that. I got away from him And I never had anything to do with that guy and I just couldn't believe it once when I worked in the RU12 I had to take over for one of the men to who Was doing the work downstairs and and some of the work that was done in RU12 was Men would go on cruising sites so that the the men who worked they would go on cruising sites so that they could Talk up safe sex and talk up condoms and talk up aides prevention, which was a perfectly good thing to do But that meant they were going on all these men looking for men's sites and I can't remember the name of them, but So one day I came downstairs and I and I and I had to take over from this guy and once I took off the screen thing there was there was the Interface for Whatever it was manhole or whatever Whatever Whatever they called their Their dating site, but there was a guy With his stick out and that was his advertisement for his film and I just laughed because it wasn't you know, it wasn't You know, I didn't get the dick pic in the in the mail which in my email Which I wouldn't have liked but you know It just made me laugh because I just thought that it was just so funny because I could not imagine in a million years That a woman would ever advertise on in a dating site by taking a picture of her vagina This would never happen This would never happen so You know just that that that's not you know, that's that's an that's an abusive power kind of thing When a Harvey wants to see so I I would like you to listen to This is a little bit further away when we I guess we'll have a chance to come back And I want to go to gale dines and have her talk a little bit about pornography and and the state that it is at this point in time Where we are with this because I think a lot of people still think pornography is playboy and just you know naked women as a but it's it's pretty vile and It's a thing This culture is socializing our young girls to be ready For pornography whether they ever end up on a porn site or not And the reason for that is they are being taught to hypersexualize and pornify themselves And really when you think of all the thousands of images, they all come down to a young White blonde toned female now We do let some women of color in if they look like Beyonce or of course Rihanna We have a concept called the reader inscribed in the text look at this woman Look at her clothes. Look at her face. Look at her posture and look at her gaze g a z e Who is she speaking to because the notion is that every image has a reader in mind Before you answer Do you think she's speaking to her mother saying let's go for a cup of coffee after the photo show? So who's she talking to men and what's she saying? Fuck me. Would you all agree? So this is what I call the fuck me look now I want you to think what it means to be male and grow up in a culture Where before you can even speak females are offering themselves to you come get me come get me Now what happens to young girls is when they are developing their sexual identity What they learn is they have two choices either fuck ability or invisibility And what do you want from a teenager? When built into the dna of adolescence is the need to be visible What do you want from her when her friends are walking around with low slung genes a trump stamp With those midriffs showing what do you want her to do? Because it is impossible to ask her to go for invisibility So this is not a choice. This is being forced into a type of sexuality that she didn't invent That she didn't decide because there are so few choices You know who really told me what it was. It was actually incarcerated child rapist. I like to call dick Now dick was in prison for raping his 12 year old stepdaughter And he was explaining to me how he groomed her and then he looked me straight in the eye And he said the culture did a lot of the grooming for me The culture is mass perpetrating against our girls Perp culture part two for the boys is the porn industry There is an entire generation of young people who think sex ends with a money shot to the face Now for the uninitiated out there a money shot is ejaculation on the face A student told me that she was talking to a boyfriend And he said to her he had a deal breaker that she had to let him come on a face And she said no, I'm not letting you do that. So get rid of the notion of playboy penthouse or even hustler Those were the good old days of pornography. What changed everything was the internet The internet made pornography affordable. It made it accessible and it made it anonymous Do you know that porn sites get more visitors each month than Netflix, amazon and twitter combined? Just get your head around that And that we know That from studies that nearly 90 percent Of the top watched rented scenes have at least physical or verbal abuse against the woman I'm going to follow the breadcrumbs of a 12 year old with no credit card Put porn into google and I'm going to tell you what he's going to see The first thing he's going to see the major act on virtually all websites is gagging This is where the man puts the penis so far down her throat that she gags almost to the point of vomiting They put a lot of mascara on her face so that she's actually tearing and you can see the rivulets of mascara running down As she is choking He grabs her head and he pulls her towards her and he says look at me and she is choking This is a kind of sexual psychopath and when you think that porn is the major form of sex said Think what's going to happen to the next generation of boys Most of whom are brought up on hardcore mainstream internet porn Now the average 12 year old when he goes on to Porn when he puts porn into google, what do you think he thinks he's going to see breasts People having sex do you think he's thinking of gagging? Of course, he's not they're telling him you want to be a male This is your entree into masculinity and in that boy's stomach is a toxic stew He feels enormous shame that he is aroused and nobody has said to him This is not who you are because the pornographer say to him This is who you are this is what you want because we take your gorgeous young bitches And we do what every man would really like to do But you know what that's not true And I know that's not true And I know that's true because feminists are men's best friends because we believe more in men than the pornographers do And you know how I know that the pornographers don't tell the truth about men I know that as a feminist I know that as a scholar and above all I know that as a mother of a son My son is worth better than this if my son is then I believe your son is too. Let me read you The kind of promotional copy from the movie annually ripped whores We at Pure Filth know exactly what you want Chicks being as fucked till their spinked as our pink puffy and totally blown out Adult diapers just might be in store for the whores when their work is done And I want to make this clear. This is mainstream porn This is what the 12 year old boy gets to within 15 seconds We know from 40 years of research that the younger the boys get to porn the more it limits their capacity for intimacy The more it decreases their empathy for rape victims The more it increases depression and anxiety and the more likely they are to engage in risky sexual behavior Now we have a whole generation of boys desensitized Because really what you want at 10 is different to what you want at 15 2030 So where's this going in 2002 the free speech coalition Which is the lobbying arm of the porn industry Lobbied the ashcroft court to take away the argument that you couldn't use girls who locked under 18 And this is what we got overnight Teen porn first time with daddy Daddy's haul It's okay. She's my stepdaughter What are we going to do? How are we going to tie this porn monster down step by step? We're going to use the gulliver strategy Education by education by education We're going to use a public health approach Just like we stop drinking and driving you bring to the table All those who have a vested interest in the well-being of the next generation And at my group culture refrained we are taking the public health model And we are going to build parents programs. We are going to build programs for professionals We are going to build programs for students because we are going to tie this porn monster down piece by piece And you know why because our children are worth more Our culture is worth more our boys are worth more and our girls are worth more. Thank you very much Okay, so She got into Some of the details of what porn is like these days. So this is part of rape culture Porn is a big part of rape culture porn is like the the propaganda for it The men in power who consistently abuse women, uh, I guess it was mark Halperin who The the chart and he's a political commentator and the charge against, you know, one of the women who worked for him Just had a job there and the next thing she knows she's sitting at her desk and he's behind her rubbing his erection against her Women should not have to put up at this garbage. These guys have been getting away with it forever I hope this is a turning point It seems like it might be because so many people are coming out and it's getting very hard to deny And people like louis ck have had to at least admit it although I don't find his supposed apology very satisfying. In fact, he doesn't really apologize But he does he does at least admit it unlike people like rory more Because the one you know, this happens left and right, but there does seem to be a lot more hypocrisy on the right Because rory more is a guy who was uh disbarred because he insisted on Though he was told it was not allowed when he was on the supreme court in alabama He insisted on having the the ten commandments there. He insists that that god's law outdoes Man's law Well, that is not how our system works. We have a separation of church and state We have probably one of the most religious countries in the world because we don't have a state religion But we have a lot of christian Particularly the dominionists who would like us to have a state religion and rory more You know sexually abusive to young girls and is trying to Get away from that and and has been defended by evangelicals saying well, you know Joseph and mary Mary was young and and joseph was much older. So that makes it okay I mean in the very very fact that evangelicals elected donald trump Despite his you know self admitted being a sexual abuser In fact many some of them in alabama are saying The fact that this story has come Out against rory more than even some 40 of evangelicals say that makes them want to vote for him even more And that was probably a selling point for certain people Particularly men, but there's some really bizarre women out there these days There is women who are into raunch culture Who you know thought that made uh Donald trump more of a man. I put up a thing this morning on my own facebook saying Have we figured out yet that alpha men are not the solution but the problem Toxic masculinity is a big problem Are almost all of the people who have gone on to do mass assassinations and massacres with with uh ar 15's and ak 7's and I don't even know all that I don't even give a damn about all the you know little uh Names and carbines and numbers that go with the guns But all of the but what I do care about is almost all of these guys previously Had been had some kind of um record of of domestic domestic violence of wife battering of beating women of abusing women And that would be a perfectly good key to Noticing who who's likely to do this in fact in canada in canada to get a gun Your your um wife has to sign off your ex-girlfriend has to sign off Or you know the last woman you dated it's a woman has to testify that It's real you're you're someone who would be safe with a gun, which is a pretty good idea And they don't have near the the uh mass killings that we do The school shootings the theater shootings the mall shootings the now You know ever more spectacular ever more record breaking and we just say Fine that's okay because in america guns are so much important than lives Including kids lives when there's a shooting like at sandy hook so Our problem is men in power feminists have been saying this for years and years No one likes to listen to feminists. They're so annoying They want to overturn the order men don't want to hear it other women don't you know that we've got a whole kind of very Not very very feminist Sort of feminist movement that's just so worried about pleasing men and not upsetting them by being anti-porn or anti-prostitution and by Taking away the ability for women to even have shelters Uh just for women. So We really need to get back to uh a feminist movement. We need to I think that that what's coming out is going to help strengthen that because it becomes very very very difficult To deny it anymore. So many men. Yeah, not all men but always men And there isn't much happening From men to do something about it We couldn't when when I was in the burlington women's council We proposed education going into the schools that would start at the earliest grades and be upgraded every four years ago To teach Children how to get along with each other how not to sexually assault or how to report it how to do good touch bad touch and and on and on because um But they wouldn't allow that there was already uh The government had commanded and there was drug education in school but they would not allow an education around violence and and conflict resolution and some of the things that could early be early interventions to other kind of violence that that comes up in marriages with wife beaters and and abusers and um as I said The pornography from the internet has really taken over there's been uh You know the idea that this is free speech, but this has been abusive women and it abuses women in the making of it The other issue that feeds into this is prostitution the idea that you can buy a woman Young young men will say, you know, they they deserve sex because they bought dinner So that idea has to go The Nordic model is is the one good thing there that's happening where where demand for prostitution is criminalized not not the people who Are victimized by it, but the people who um the demand side is criminalized and that is working where that has been implemented it's lessening uh prostitution and that needs to happen And we need a women's movement that that gets back to the principles of of respecting women and we need people like gail dine's doing what she's doing and looking at looking at pornography as a public health issue because it really is it really is uh twisting the sexuality of people of men Boys young boys who you know, there's there's very little capacity for intimacy and someone who has been brought up with that It's it is an addiction. It is it's a perversion of a of a decent sexuality and and it key and it uh Really prevents intimacy and decent relationships between people so it only exacerbates the tensions between the sexes and It has been so horrific for women and has kept them Has stopped them from you know Going further in their careers. It you know and the women are not believed that's that's consistent, too And the bible and the core in All say that it takes at least two women to equal the word of a man in testimony when when feminist You know when women did uh studies of the courts and how they worked out it worked out about that way And you can see from this how many it takes a ton of women for for anybody believes that these guys do what they do consistently regularly and uh I hope that this is a moment when that Begins again, and I hope that it's also a moment when women realize we really need a women's movement. We cannot Count on our society to do it for us the only times that we have changed things for the better for women Or when we've had a good strong women's movement