 Welcome back to the breakfast and plus TV Africa time for us to check out the front pages of a national dailies. We call it Off the Press and this morning we will be joined by Ezekiel Nyai Tok to help us understand some of the headlines. I set up with the Daily Trust newspaper this morning and let's check out the big stories on the Daily Trust newspaper. Now the board caption reads federal government unveils 348.7 trillion Nairan national development plan and that's boldly written on the Daily Trust. There are several riders, Osheban Jor, Peter Side Lead Implementation Team, Private Sector to Drive Initiative with 85% contribution, plan likely to create jobs wealth expert and that's what you find on the Daily Trust. Now moving away from that board caption you also have Paris Club, House State, local government, directed deduction of fees. Malami is quoted on that as well and Senate approves Buhari's 7.6 trillion Naira external loan request. Another caption on the Daily Trust newspaper and away from that you also have this one saying 31 killed in Tarrabah and Katsina Imo. More details will be available on the Daily Trust newspaper. And 2022, INEC projects 1.3 billion Naira for funerals and Christmas bonus. Others, that's what you find. That's quite huge. IPUB kills three butchers and seven others in Imo state. That's also not the one you find this morning. It's important that you pick up or copy if you so want to. But just before you move away, you also find APC Mium as Buhari, Bajabi, Amela, others congratulates Soludo. That's the much we can take on the Daily Trust newspaper this morning. All right. So the Daily Independent inflation may shoot up as year winds down says analyst. Canoes lawyers stage walk out as Court of Jones trial. Also, South-South Senators reject inclusion of other regions in NDDC. Nigeria is ready for business as CBN governor. And also 2011 to 2025 National Development Plan estimated at 348.7 trillion Naira on the way says the FEC. Buhari PDP Candidate Ozigboa and Ohanezeh congratulate Soludo. Saruweewa, eight others deserve ex-generation, not pardon, Pandav tells Buhari. Also, earned allowances, sharing formulas, stakeholders, Nassu, Nassu and Saruwee getting strike. We can also see here on the Daily Independent, Senate ignores red flag, OK, Buhari's $16.2 billion and 1.02 billion euros loan request seek swift prosecution of money laundras, terrorist financiers and smart challenges colleagues to account also for quiet wealth. All right, let's check out the nation newspaper this morning. The board caption reads, Governors can't back out of Paris Club debt, says Malami, that's the AGF, Attorney General of the Federation. Controversy rages over consultancy fee. AGF states paying already. That's what you find. Gunmen killed 22 in Imo, Kaduna, Katsina Attacks and Buhari Ngige, Ohanezeh, others greet Soludo as he emerges, the governor of a number of state. You also find another header saying, CBN plans single digit loans for manufacturers. That's also a bold caption on the nation newspaper, not quite bold. And you find Lagos Ogun, Bouchie can't be NDDC member state, Buhari to French investors Nigeria economy viable, interesting. That's the much we can take on the nation newspaper this morning. All right. And finally, on the punch newspapers, Nigeria's debt stock hits 42.7 trillion Senate okay fresh $16 billion loan. Why we increase Buhari's loan request by $12 billion, says Senator. And more borrowings will put Nigeria in unfavorable conditions, experts are saying. APC Governors lobby Malami to stop Buhari from signing an electoral bill. And I'm also spectators lose billions as Nair appreciates exchanges of $540 Nair to a dollar. Nigeria loses 396 billion Nair to Twitter ban 24 days to six month anniversary. We can also find here, Igboho, how UK fam paid for Kotolou Hamburg flight ticket. Assembly order security meeting as banded skilled 19 in Katsina and Kaduna. Legos police raid training camp arrest 108 naval impersonators. And the Cannes lawyers stage walk out as DSS bars or hanez and others from proceedings. Good morning to Mr. Ezekiel in your talk. Thanks for joining us. Good morning and thanks. All right. I'm sure you can pick any of the stories to start from. Maybe from Namdi Cannes trial. It says that trial has been extended or been pushed all the way to January 19th and 20th after his lawyer staged a walk out yesterday. Quickly share your thoughts. I think what we can put out what we are doing is that we are the people and how we defend ourselves and the nation of which is the office moist justice itself. To bring a man to the heart is that supposed to be a second? Secondly, what is the title name of the map? And thirdly, it's clear that the mission of job application of the term as a criteria. What should I expect? What should I expect justice to give me? Would I expect justice to be passionate or not passionate to be discriminatory? In which case, if I was to be charged with a case like Namdi Cannes, what would I expect to come to me so that I can know before trying to prepare myself? It could be any case whatsoever. What am I saying? It is to what extent is an individual entitled to defend in the way that justice is supposed to defend. Now, that is very, very important to me because we are looking at it. I do not know why it should be bad from, you know, attending, you know, the desire and the kind like people, the people that point where you ought to use a particular system to like use a particular system to feel more than one person. Right now, there's the education in the South East. And you want to go out of your way to show that you have something happening. You have nothing to hide that actually does have a case. You want to show almost two transparent because you want to make a point, except of course there is a hidden agenda. Why is it that the government really need to step up and ask themselves what they really want to achieve? Then what's going on in the South East and coincidentally, I don't know if you notice, it coincided with the execution of central we work. And this is how it is. It has a sort of ambition that you want to sell Nigeria and it's all for everybody. You want to use the second tactic to, you know, become trade maids. They think you just couldn't do it, but they have to take it into place. They think about something new. And it's not how government works. They need to understand the difference between politics and government. The other thing that today your president, our president, is trying to ask us to come into the country to invest. And these guys, they don't think the way they do. They think in terms of what makes them, the world has become a global village. They think in terms of justice and security. Those things are fundamental to every interest. Even in the speech, am I sure that they are taking good care of my business? The second thing is the justice system. And if they can do this to their own business, then what my state is going to do is invest. You don't have to be taking government. It's very sad because it affects all of us. Alright, let's look at the daily trustees before this morning. A federal government unveils 348.7 trillion national development plan. I mean, you know, spanning from 1966, we've had several development plan to vision 2020 and what have you. But mostly, you will find out that our development plans has been, you know, dependent, highly dependent on external borrowings. Do you think that this would make any difference? You know, on two occasions, I have put myself out for the dogmashing of my state. And mostly in the third one in 2023. Why is that important? It's because we think in terms of development plan. We failed to understand the dynamic of developing plans. We failed to understand the governance system that we run, which is that we have so much people that are glowing. And when a contractor wants to establish these or have blown it, and that's not how government runs. So what do you do when you are trying to bring about a development plan that will animation and buy in other people? You bring in a substantial part of your position and then the people. Within the concept of the people, you are talking about the academia where you ask them to bring people, talking about the business environment, talking about the youth, the women, the different sexual because what you are saying is that this is our future. But there must be that animation of our future. And because we were all part of it, we can only really create it as it were for initiating it. Then we see it as our thing. When we have that animation, which other governments are seeing is likely within assessing those plans to get a buy in and follow on it. So when Buhari administration brings a development plan, that development plan I can assure you will buy in the Buhari administration. That is within the context of concept. Then there is the funding pattern. Now how sustainable is our funding dynamic of the development plan? This is a great thing on Buhari. The very first thing is that the generations behind it accept it out. So they're not going to buy it. They are going to say no, no, no, you are finding updates for us. You are finding updates for us. You are finding updates for us. So that is not going to work. If a development plan is based on the generations coming, you have good will, you have better future and the funding system is very clearly seen by them. There will be the ones to make sure this works. So I think in terms of the funding dynamics and the philosophy behind the development plan, both of them for me are no, no, I saw them very low. So I don't see it growing any nearer. Alright, well since you already mentioned you know Buhari, now let's talk about the extra 16 billion dollars that has been sought and has been approved by the National Assembly for the president to once again borrow. You know our debt figures are you know hitting you know the hitting heavens if you can describe it that way. The president is once again taking 16 billion dollars and an extra one billion euros loan. I'll share your views on that one also. Some people argue that there's nothing wrong with borrowing and of course you know eventually of course will you know be benefit, the benefits eventually would of course be shown later. Can you hear me? Yes. Okay. The format that I have and I continue to say is that the people in government don't think of the administration after them. They don't. All that massacres is what I do so that it is beyond for that I see. It's selfish. It's self-centered. It's inconsiderate. They just want to be able to say we did this. We did that. We did they don't think themselves. They don't respect each other. That's why they will borrow your future. They will borrow your children's future. They will borrow stuff. I mean let that stop. Of ICC. And I think the time of when that can shift it off. People that are getting the government don't get the government to serve you. They don't. They don't. Think about it. Who is that man? What is going to carry you to watch your clothes? Think about it. Sometimes you want to have a thing and people don't want that to be. Those who want to serve are more often because they don't have the financial market. Look at what the result of this is. The hand and breath people. Look at all the people that were lying off. Do a foreign defense and analysis of all of them and say this man is effective. Then they bring their phone because that is the man that will serve off. They have to find what the government needs. We have to find the office of the government. We've looked into this man's past. We don't view citizens on them. We've looked 20 years in the demands like saying you continue to be consistent of serving of magnitude, of moral of magnitude and character that befits that office. So we are going for him. Instead what do you have? Oh the man has capacity. Oh the man has money. Oh the party. The party is big. They don't have. They criticize the man that can help them. Because you don't have structure. What is structure? You have structure. Be his structure. Be his muscle. Be his finances. Put the man in office that will serve you and there will be a difference. Instead you are allowing these people to go and mortgage their souls to the devil and sell their properties and do everything to come and pay you so that they can come and serve you. Doesn't make sense. So for me what the senate president is doing is something that I think he will be unhappy when he leaves office. Have you noticed that there is a caveat to the borrowing? I just want to go and read that myself and that is that we are giving you approval but we want you to now send to us the details, the dynamics, the conditions after an approval has been given. Who does that? Who does that? Who in the right thinking does that? I thought the proper thing is please give us these details. So we put it all together and then take what is called an informed decision. But you give a man an approval and say give me the details thereafter. You know it's like pay documentation to be done later. I think that Mr. Senate president should know that he was not he was not elected to serve the president. He was elected to checkmate the president. That's one of his three core functions. He was not elected to be antagonistic to the president. No, he was elected not to be framed to the president but to checkmate the president on an audit or detours platform basis. All right, we'll still stay with the Daily Trust newspaper this morning and looking at the budget for INEC 1.3 billionaire for funeral Christmas bonus and what have you. My question is do you think it's too much or it's fair? I think you have the answer. Next question please. Food stuff is expensive these days. Goats, chickens, rams, they all expensive. Okay, let's look at it. To be fair to them. Let's look at it. To be fair to them. Maybe they lose a lot of people during election. Okay, ad hoc staff, main staff. Okay, and secondly, maybe they're looking for ways to try as much as possible to kind of appease the people and take their minds away from being bought by politicians. So maybe the what I'm trying to look for an excuse is that I actually do have a lot of confidence in the present management of INEC, particularly the chairman. So when a thing like this comes up, I'm trying to look into his mind or why he would do that. I think that he owes us a certain level of explanation. There's no election in January, so I don't think that they need to keep them comfortable because of any election. You can't fail to talk about motivation and the morale of the workers. I think it really just, for me, it really just tells how expensive food stuff is today or anything that you're buying in the market. It feels like everything is, you know, 150% more expensive than it was in 2015. And that's what we're dealing with. You know, I've seen people say that 100,000 an hour these days feels like 10,000 an hour because immediately you go out, it's finished. And that's what it really says. But another point also is 1.3 billion, how much really would get to the INEC staff? We're in the same country where COVID-19 palliatives were stored in warehouses and never got to the people that were meant for. So you can budget 1.3 billion, you can budget 3 billion and, you know, I'm sure that the INEC staff will not very likely not get, you know, any of all these funds, you know, sent to them. But let's move on and talk about something, another very sad story. It's on Daily Trust. It says 31 people killed in three states. I think Tarab and Imo and some other states, yes, Tarab Katsina and Imo, 31 people killed. I think one of the other people says 19 people were killed in a different state. But the point is, you know, the killings aren't stopping. It says yes, 19 killed in Katsina and Katuna and that's on the punch newspapers. The murder isn't stopping. The killings is, you know, aren't stopping across Nigeria. And yet, you know, we seem to be just moving on. The president is going for climate conferences and the likes. You know, this question is becoming very difficult for me to answer because I do not know to what extent any premium is paid on life in Nigeria. It's like we become mere statistics. So on a daily basis, we are just counting the numbers. Oh, it's not as much as yesterday. Oh, it's more than yesterday. If you sit down and know that lives are lost in dozens and sometimes hundreds on a daily basis, it's not okay. There has to come something. I don't know how that will come in this system. I really don't know because they've become so used to it that it no longer makes any difference to the best of my knowledge to them. I think that as we approach 2023, our conversations should start to start to pay premium on human life. I think our conversation should start to start to say that human lives matter and that the most important thing as is written this this chapter I could never quote enough. If one of my friends was studying to call me Mr. Chapter 2, you know, Chapter 2 section 14, subsection 2b of the Nigerian constitution says that the security and welfare of the people shall be the primary purpose of government. Primary purpose shall security and welfare. To what extent do we understand this? And isn't there a solution? There is a solution. The biggest problem that we have is our mindset disposition. The mindset of people in government to a great extent is enterprise to make money, to get money, contract, contract so that if you think in terms of peace, they don't think in terms of how to provide employment to the people, how to take the wind of the sale of these insurgents. Instead, you're thinking in terms of, oh, the hardware to buy, oh, the Tucano jet to buy. If I had the money and I asked people honestly and sincerely, between buying one Tucano jet and using that same amount to provide a kind of very, very elaborate, you know, entrepreneurial disposition to the people on North East, which one will give me a sustainable answer? You know, yes, solution. And it is just as simple as possible that when you take the wind of the sale or you sniff out the oxygen from the fire, the fire will slow it down and out. We've brought all the jets. What has happened? But people have made their money, I would like to believe, and the contract has been done. As the solution come, they have gotten their solution because their solution to the best of my knowledge was to make money. They've made the money. But the solution in terms of bringing peace to the region, I don't see that happening. So it comes back to the same thing I've been saying before. Let us start to bring into governance people that care and understand, you know, it's like you wanting to be a soldier, you know, a competent. You need to know that you're going to be exposed to the weather, to all the avers, all the things that are uncomfortable. It's like you wanting to be a surgeon. You are going to be exposed to blood. But when you say, I don't like to see blood, and I want to be a surgeon, they just don't agree. What is government? Government is primarily service. But when you're bringing entrepreneurs into government, they're coming to make money. And all their decisions and all their mindsets and all their actions are going to be within that narrow perspective of how do I make money? Where can I make money? What do I do to get money? That's why education is something that brings value to the system, but does not bring you immediate returns in on investment money. So they don't like education. They don't like housing. But they like the things that they will have to buy and make money. And then what should go for a thousand dollars? They will put it at five thousand dollars. At the end of the day, we have enough money in this country to do what we want. Some days back, let me say this, that may be very important. I was privileged to host one, a large concursor on my birthday. And the reason was that I asked him a certain question. Is it true that for eight years you were the governor of Kano State? You did not borrow a dime? He said yes. He didn't get it from international agencies. He didn't get it from local. He did not borrow ten naira. The money you have can do the work if you do not want to divert the money into your own private estate or private pocket. And I found that instructive. Mr. Peter Orby did it in in in Anambra State. I can bring out people who have gone into government and have gotten to serve and have done their work and have left with indelible marks on it. In education, you can see if there are examples like this, why can't we as Nigerians go back to interrogate? Every governor is thinking about borrow, borrow, borrow, borrow. If a governor was able for eight years to stay and do a lot of work without borrowing, I think the time has come for us to start to do a kind of a synthesis on all these people and be able to bring a paradigm to our governance structure in the future. That conversation should be now. All this issue of conversing on borrowing and lives and everything, we need to have an alternate platform where we start to think in terms of the security of the people, the welfare of the people and the fit for purpose in terms of people in that we bring to manage our resources. All right Ms. Anantok, we're out of time. Thank you so much for joining us as always on Thursday mornings and we enjoy your conversations and wish you a great day ahead. Thank you very much. Many thanks. All right and of course that's where we wrap up today in, no, rather off the press and we're now going to be sharing with you a little bit of what happened today in history on the 11th of November. We're going back to the year 1992 and this happened after 17 years of campaigning. The church eventually voted to allow women to become priests. This happened once again in 1992. The church of England now really voted to allow the ordination of women as priests, breaking the church's tradition of a male-only clergy despite the opposition of about 1,000 clerics who threatened that they would resign. The general Senat, the main council of the church voted to allow the ordination of women. All three houses of the church body approved the measure by the necessary two-thirds majority vote. It was like I mentioned the result of more than 17 years of campaigning and was expected to alienate many within the church. About 1,000 priests from the church of England have, you know, at that point also threatened to leave, but obviously didn't even approved the ordination of women. But eventually they'd go ahead on this day in 1992 to approve the ordination of women, but we still don't see that many female priests. You actually took that out of my mouth, especially you know in this part of it. I don't know, maybe they're not very, I don't know, but you know. Is there any female priests in Nigeria? You know, I've seen tent makers, I really don't know, but I still see them, you know, dressed in this attire and what have you, but you know, to say like a priest, an actual priest, not like... Well, this is for the church of England or maybe it doesn't cover the... I'm thinking it could just, it cuts across, it might just cut across the entire Roman Catholic church. I've never actually seen a female priest. But I have seen female who are dressed in pristly attire. You know, you have different churches. I mean, sometimes you could see the priest-beterian, you know, you see the Methodist church and all of that. And you still find some of those women dressed like priests, but they're actually not priests. And sometimes you, you find that they're being called tent makers and what have you, but they're still doing the work of the Lord. I mean, not necessarily being a priest. I've just never, never seen any women. If you were a woman, I probably would suggest that you should think in that direction, but of course you're not a woman. So we'll just let that slide. Yeah. I'm not thinking in that direction. All right. We'll take a short break. When we come back, I'll first make a conversation for today. We're talking standard operating procedure for a section rescue once again. And of course it's really just to continue the conversation with respect to those who lost their lives in the Coyee building collapse that comes up after the short break. Good morning.