 Social justice through legal services is not only one of the aspects, beyond that social justice always plays a pivotal role. And the journey within the social justice is not after the formulation of the constitution, but it goes beyond that, even prior to that. And when we were talking about, as we have seen how the social justice evolved with the flux of time, we requested Mr. Dr. Subramanya was already shared few insights on different topics on our platform. And he always helps us to connect with persons who have immense knowledge. And today we are being joined by Ma'am Vidya Silvani, who is an advocate and also a visiting faculty to the CMR University of Legal Schools, Bangaluru. And since the long vacations are starting, I will not take much time. I will request sir to give the few thoughts and then we will take session on the social justice through legal services. Over to you sir. Very good evening to all of you, Mr. Vikas and this team in particular. The concept of social justice is not a new doctrine. It was there earlier as well. And if you go through the Amurabian Code, a reduction of the court fee or the court fee charged to the poor was much lower than the court fee which was charged to the other communities or the other class of people. So that means the very concept of social justice was prevalent, even during the time of BC. And at a later stage it was continued by the emperors of the time who ruled India from time to time. Now we come back come to the period, the period, the adoption of the constitution of the state of India itself. Now the Government of India after getting the independence was able to have a constitutional committee. And this committee is known as the drafting committee for the adoption of a new constitution for the state of India. And these drafts spent over 200 people thought what type of constitution we should have. And having deliberated almost nearly two plus years, they ultimately adopted a constitution for the state of India. Now the constitution of India or the constitution which is given to ourselves by the people of this country. So we have given a constitution of our own. And when we have given a constitution of our own, what type of justice we should have. First is justice social, justice economic, justice political. So these are the three aspects which is being harbored upon by the preamble to the constitution of India itself. So social justice and the achievement of or the realization of the social justice is one of the sineqs went on, which is being remember thought of by thought by the framers of the constitution of this country. Now that afterwards the constitution came in. And when we speak about a bit of the constitution itself, we have what we know as the chapter on fundamental rights in part three of the constitution. That afterwards we have a chapter which is one as part four, which is the direct to principle state policy. Now the very objective of the adoption of part four from 35 onwards up to article 50 is to realize that the state of India should become an egalitarian society. And remember, everyone should be in a position to have an access to justice, whether he's a rich or is a poor, he should be treated equally. The government of India has adopted various measures for most of the writers, the area of constitutional law, but we call it the format you write says between 1950 to 1990. We went to the extent of pointing out, remember, you cannot go to the court of law for the enforcement of what we call is part four of the constitution, but then a series of decisions have come up before the court of law. And in these good decisions, the court pointed out, it is a just right to the people. And this just right to the people who are enunciated in part of the power of the constitution can be enforced to anywhere. That is where one of the greatest thinkers and a freedom fighters and a liberal thinker who championed the cause of human rights in the state of United States went to the extent of declaring a threat to justice anywhere. Is a threat to injustice everywhere. So that means an injustice anywhere is a threat to justice throughout the world that has to be remember contained that was the message that was given under the constitution of India. The constitution came into force, and the constitution became functional. But then the law commission of India submitted a report in the year 1958. In the year in its report, which submitted to the government of India went to the extent of pointing out legal aid to the poorest of the people who are not socially advantages who are not in a position to fight a case on their own, who cannot because of literacy or ignorance are not in a position to present themselves must be protected by the law. This is one of the mandates the constitution under the direct coup and so state policy. So when this was done members of the Indian community or the lawmakers were thinking how best it can be introduced. And this could not be introduced for several years, but then the 42 second amendment came into force in 1976. The 42nd amendment when it came into force, it amended article 39 because of the constitution of India. So by way of an amendment article 39 a was introduced into the constitution article 39 a of the constitution simply points out the people who are not in a position to protect themselves are to be legally protected. So justice must be given. They should be in a position to approve the court of law and the court should be in a position to render justice. So as remember the principle be quality as enshrined in article 14 of the constitution. Remember is enforced in strict or sensor and becomes a reality for everybody. It is article 14 of the constitution which said equality before the law and equal protection of the law and consequently this article 19 protected given several rights. But then these rights should not remain illusory and wishful thinking everyone should be in a position to enforce that is where the idea was developed. Now that afterwards we when we after 1976, it was a 42nd amendment which was adopted the constitution. At that time there was a great judge before the Supreme Court of India. And this great judge was not but justice we are Christian. And in a series of cases, he went to the extent of admitting the petition before the Supreme Court of India, only on postcards, just think of this. Even if the agreed party is unable to protect himself or herself. It has to be done and it has to be protected and justice must be rendered and done. The contribution of Krishna here is known to posterity in the judicial history of the state of India. There afterwards remember there was another great man who was sent by justice honorable justice Bhagavati. Bhagavati when he was appointed as a judicial committee member to provide social justice to the needy in the state of India have contributed and delivered wonderful judgments. But then things did not materialize. And it had to take place several years and the government of India thought of formulating an action plan. The action plan which was formulated by the government of India was to see that the entire territory of the state of India stretching from Jammu and Kashmir to Kanyakumari should have one law. And this one law should be in a position to enforce and to protect the victims of injustice so that justice is rendered to everybody. That was the objective. So it was in the year 1987 the Legal Services Act came to be established. And it was in 1987 that afterwards this one law the Legal Services Act which came into be established and enforced became one law for the entire territory of the state of India. Now that afterwards in 1987 it came in but then the lot of developments were taking place. It was not functional. In 1995 it became very effective when Justice Anand was appointed as the executive chairman of the Legal Services Committee of the state of India. Remember, lots of developments were taken place. It was he who was appointed. Remember the member secretary and other people. And he was responsible in formulating the rules that was paid for the working of the Legal Services Committee and subsequent development had taken place during its 10th year. And it was in 1997. For the first time, the Legal Services Authority with the assistance of the Chief Patron for the Chief Justice of State of India was able to call a meeting of the state level Legal Services Authority committees. And they formulated and afterwards it was functioning very well. Now what exactly the objective of these developments had taken place. When I speak about the courts were in a position to help us in defining and refining certain aspects and certain procedural laws. But then the Legal Services Authority in the legal committee, the committee which was established at the apex court, along with the Patron for the Chief Justice of India were able to classify certain things and were able to promote certain things to a law. Now when I speak about this, there are several things that is being spoken at length. One is legal services for the differently abled children. Now, you may be knowing it is not a manmade disaster. And it is ultimately by birth some kind of informatics will come in. And such people because of the disability must be protected and services must be rendered to them. And you can't just leave them alone because they are part of the state of the state of India and protection naturally. Remember deemed to be given by them and that is where the Legal Services Authority said these are the people who are entitled to have protection. Then because in a society like India 4 to 8% of the children are differently abled people. You can't just leave them 4 to 8% of the people of this country means a lot when we have nearly 135 crores of population today. Then legal services to senior citizens. Now this was adopted in the year 2016. Now senior citizens remember you have as many as remember 30 to 40 crores of people in this country above 60 years. Now children when they get educated for one reason or another the parents are abandoned and they are not taken care. The required help is not forthcoming. In a few cases the parents are responsible in nourishing and helping the children in coming up and getting the jobs and they sacrifice everything but in their old age there is nobody to take care of them. In such inhospitable climate the law comes into their sucker and help and legal services are to be provided to such people. Then the legal services to victims of acid attack. Now in the colleges and university campuses you know or in some other places you should find that acid is being thrown and innocent people for no reason their charm is being destroyed or they are being killed in a few cases. In such cases they deserve, they deserve remember help and they need out protection they should be taken care by the community. That is why legal services are being protected for such people victims of acid attack as well. Then legal services for disaster victims. Now you might be knowing of flood, famine, pestilence, drought. These are the things which are not main matter. And in situations like this for example in Karnataka you have the last several days we find lots of all the rivers are in spate and many houses are being washed off. And many people are remember during sleep are taken away by the rivers. Now in these circumstances you know national disaster relief mission which comes to their rescue. Wherever required the legal help the legal service authorities come and try to rescue the people and they give whatever protection is being given to them. Then legal services to the workers who are in an unorganized labor. Now for example you might be knowing lots of buildings come up. And these buildings especially in the metropolitan cities in the urban areas in Delhi, Bangalore and many other Bombay are very common. And workers from rural villages they migrate there and they stay and sacrifice themselves and at times when they fall down for one reason or other they are killed even. In such situations the workers who work in this industry that is what we call as the unorganized staff must be helped and legal services will be forthcoming to them freely. Now then legal services to the victims of drug menace. Now campuses especially educational campus today have full of people inflicted with drugs. And in situations like this for no reason they suffer or in the company they come across the drug dealers. The result they also become get addicted to these things. They need protection. They should be brought back to society. They should become good citizens of society and for those for these aspects they are also given protection under the legal services authority. Then there afterwards protection of enforcement of what we call as tribal rights. Now tribal people in order to protect their ethnicity and originality try hard. And while trying to maintain this they are at times under a target. Now in the situations of this kind they need protection. And this is when I speak about tribal people they are at times when most of the cases they are indigenous people. Indigenous people in order to protect themselves to protect their cultures to protect their ethnicity to protect their original habitat had to suffer a lot. And at times remember they are not in a position to protect themselves now what has been done under the legal service that act is they are being protected by the law. And legal services will be provided to them. Then there afterwards the other important thing that is being spoken legal services for children. Legal services for children is very much essential because you have an international convention which was adopted in 1979 which came into force in 1980. Rights of children. And consequent to that the government of India also has adopted many many legislations for improving and protecting the children. Wherever the life of a child who is below the age of 18 years is in peril or in danger. It is the duty of the government of the day to come and protect and the legal services authority will do the needful that is what what is being being spoken at length in situations of this kind. In addition to this there are other aspects that is being spoken now other aspects relating to especially see for example women. Women who are forcibly taken to unlawful activities and women along with the children. And it is the duty of the government of the day along with the legal service authority to protect them and legal service authority has been doing this work. Remember wonderfully and the work is actually going on. Now this is something relating to the areas which are being taken up. Now the legal service authorities, when they have enforced or enforce their objectives, how this is being done is the most crucial thing. Now we have what we call as the legal service authority at the national level. When I speak about the national level the Chief Justice of India is the great patron. And another senior judge will be the executive chairman of the legal service authority at the central level. And he will be having a member secretary and a subordinate office. And that will be responsible. Remember in formulating moves after elaborate discussions and they try to implement these rules for the legal services care in India. Now at the state level what we call as we have the Chief Justice who is the chairman. And the Chief Justice of the High Court to the chairman and along with the Chief Justice of the High Court we have another person who is the executive chairman of the legal service authority. And these people along with the member secretary of the state who is remember of the rank of a district judge session judge who is the member secretary will be in a position to formulate rules and able to implement most of the rules which are being laid down under by the legal service authority. Now there afterwards when we come to district level we have the district judge who is the presiding officer. Who functions at the behest of the executive chairman of the state and the Chief Justice who is the chief patron. And lays down rules, regulations for implementation of the legal services within the district. Now it is not limited to the district alone it goes remember still lower and when I speak about the lower level it goes to the Taluka level. And in the Taluka level you have a district legal services committee and they involve lots of people and these people are part of the legal services committee and what assistance is required to the needy are taken care. Now what the very objective of this is to just bring in. Now what we social justice from top to the Taluka level. And when I speak about the Taluka level from the Taluka level we get shifted to the panchayat level as well. So members of the panchayat with the persons from what we call the Taluka headquarters with a member from the district legal service authority come in and try to give an address to a particular problem which come under the ones which I have just mentioned. Before you know these are instances how it is being functioning. Now then I just intend to speak to you what exactly are the nature of work which is being done. Now when I speak about the nature of the work lots of for example in the state of Karnataka between October to November October 21st to November and the Karnataka legal services authority was able to visit. As many as 29,000 villages. And these villages remember not only we stayed and they tried to provide legal services to the needy. And they found out the people through a scientific method. And this scientific method was able to help them a lot. And when I speak about the compensation remember 9 crores 15 lakhs compensation was discussed by it. Now this is remember in any imagination for a country like India is a very good estimate. Nobody can just cannot remember brush aside. That is the type of work which is being done in Karnataka. I'm just telling you who legal services when it provided there are as many as 2000 advocates other than the para legal personnel who try to work for this purpose. Now the other one how legal it is being given to them. Suppose for example a victim of justice is not able to protect himself. So at that time the concerned person will be allowed and permitted to file a case. And when he goes and files a case naturally whatever work is required to be done. Which commander of the provisions which I have just mentioned will be born by the legal services authority. Now you may ask me what type of first one is remember you have to prepare the plant and to prepare the plant you require papers. Then afterwards you require all other materials as well. And when it is done court fee has to be paid and a court fee also will be paid by the legal services authority. And they educates remember who are on the role for this purpose will take up the matter. And that is where it is being done. Suppose for example from the lower court the matter goes up to the high court. Now when it goes to the high court remember naturally there will be a translation of the judgment. It requires remember some kind of fee which has to be paid. Processing fee which is required. And all other additional expenses when the matter is filed before the court of law. If it is if it is genuinely required all of them all of them are paid by the legal services authority. Now this is the most advantageous thing which is being given to a particular paper who is who is denied justice. Now for example the executive chairman who three of them earlier honorable justice Arvind Kumar. He was the executive chairman who later became the Chief Justice of the Gujarat High Court. And currently honorable justice Virepa is the chairman. And we have the member secretary Sushitar Shetty and all other members all of them are doing wonderful work. In fact I have been just going through the type of work which is being done them. And it is appreciated by everybody applauded by everybody. And that is where justice and the doorsteps of the people. Now the second part of the story which I just intend to bring home is what role the students have to pay here. And when I speak about the role that is to be played by the students the Bar Council of India. In the year 2016 after consulting the legal services authority and both of them in tandem adopted certain procedures. Now what does the Bar Council circular say? The circular issued by the Bar Council points out each law colleges established in this country today there may be about 1900 law colleges in the country. And all of them when they start functioning as a law college is supposed to have a legal aid committee. It is called the legal aid clinic. And the legal aid clinic which is established under the rules of 2016 is supposed to have a coordinator. And this coordinator is numbered the staff of the college a teaching staff of the college. Along with the teaching staff there will be a student monitor student coordinator. And there will be a legal aid committee. And this legal aid committee should be in a position to go to the villages, identify the villages, go to the place and afterwards try to find out the existing problems there. Now you may be interested to know what type of problems they face. Now for example take it this way when you go to the villages it is you first you try to find out the people and meet them. And there may be certain services which were required for them. Now these services may be a few of them may not be having other card. Without the other card you cannot do anything because everything connected with the other card. And these people don't know where to go, whom to talk, whom to meet and how to get it. They don't even know how to fill in the form. Now the second one is some of them need health certificates because the government of India in the event of a severe problem with your health will go to the extent of giving you some lakhs of money. And in order to protect that you should have the health card without the health card you can't just get it. That is why remember that you have to help in getting the health card. Some of them don't even have a birth certificate. And if they don't have the birth certificate they don't know from where to get it. And in situations of this type now naturally you can go there and help them in identifying the person fill in the forms and get the birth certificate. A few of them remember passed away. But then unless you have the death certificate the successors will not be able to get anything anywhere. So help them in getting the death certificate. Now remember a majority of the people will have property but then don't have Khaka unless you have the Khaka which is in your name. Remember you are entitled to the property. It cannot be enforced before the court of law. And they don't even know whom to approach naturally to the threshold or who gives. That is where the concept of legal aid clinic came to be established where the students prepare a questionnaire. Having prepared a questionnaire what do these people need? These are a few of the things we have pointed out. Ours together we can speak on this. And having done this remember it is a scientific study. They put a question to each of the villagers. Suppose in a village there are 3000 people they go to the village and ask all of them all the families. What do they have? Whether they have or not. And that afterwards they make these many people required the other card. These many people required Khata card. And some of them require the birth certificate, death certificate or remember title to the property, whatever it be. Now then remember a day will come wherein through the able assistance with legal sovereignty a meeting of these people who are issuing the cards will be convened. Now first they will call the Chancellor he will be there. Then they will call what we call as the panchayat people who are supposed to issue certain certificates. On the days remember all will be cleared and the people will be happy and this is remember peacefully done without any violence. Just nobody knows. See first one is legal awareness. The people should come to know what exactly is the law in this country. And how from where from which place through whom they can get these certificates is the next thing. Incidentally, I just intend to tell you we have a legal cell of our own. And just two months ago we had conducted a program and there are as many as 100 students who took part in this. And it was actually remember trying to build up leadership amongst the students. Because students remember maybe knowing bookish knowledge, but practically they don't know anything about these developments, how it is obtained, whom should we meet. And for example, when we speak about this, we just take the help of Angaravadi teachers. We take the help of the other people, Asha workers, all of them joined together. Suppose for example, if the legal aid program in a village is for about a week. The last two days is exclusively devoted to resolve the applications and get the certificate from the proper place. And it actually gives and imbibes the true knowledge of law. And students will not be knowing for example, we had committed conducted another program. And in this program we are trying to help the Bangalore Municipal Authority, BBMP Corporation in assisting them in preparing the documents. And this document when they prepare the students naturally get to know the real estate law properly. They come to know the land laws properly. They come to know the law relating to the electricity, the water law. For example, water services are being given. What exactly is the law? Now, once you are trained for this, remember when you come out, you will be a wonderful civil lawyer. On the one side, you are helping freely to the people. On the other side, you are getting educated on certain principles of law. That is the objective of the legal services which are being provided. Now, it becomes actually creates leadership and it tries to build and help the egalitarian society in a state like India. Now, recently the legal service authority has taken a decision to give special protection to the widows. And widows may be from anywhere, from Mathura. They have made a mention of it. Or there may be in some other place, they need protection because there should be somebody to take care of them. And they also come under the provisions of the legal service authority. In addition to this, along with this, they have decided to protect the transgenders. Now, transgenders also need a protection. They should not be condemned because they are part of the society. If we have a right, they too have a right to live in. The right to life is a basic fundamental right. And whatever help is required is being done. Now, there are other things. One of the instances I just intend to give you before I request my colleague to speak a few words on other aspects. Now, recently a beautiful case has been resolved by the legal service authority in one of the districts. A lady, remember actually from the state of Kerala was wandering somewhere in one of the districts in Karnataka. So the paralegal authorities one day found out this lady and started making enquiry because her health was deteriorating. When her health was naturally deteriorating, they met her and made an investigation. And later they were not in a position to get anything from her. They found her Aadhar card. And when this Aadhar card was typed, she came and found out she comes from a very rich family with crores and crores of rupees because the children or the nearest people who are related to her got away her property and abandoned her. And then the legal service authority come into the picture and having come into the picture, immediately get in touch with the people who are related to her and call them, call for a meeting. And they said deposit this money, this much of money. And she was admitted to the hospital and taken care. There afterwards immediately they said your property, the conserved shares, since it is in her name only, you cannot just manipulate, she should be taken care. All these things, remember an abandoned woman who was wandering in thousands kilometers away was protected by this. Such incidents are not one, hundreds of them, hundreds of them are there. And in Karnataka, I just remember at the Thalukha level, in 140 in Thalukhas, we have legal aid committees. And these legal aid committees are to protect and they are the students of the law colleges are being helped by this way and the students also get to know and come to know and learn and it is a process of learning. Thank you very much. Yes, Pat, over to you. Thank you. I will be specifically addressing the issues of Lokadalit, one of the aspects which is also present in a very important role. We know we are having around 4.4 million pending cases and how a concept of Lokadalit has helped in reducing the number of pending litigations which are pending before the court. Lokadalit as a concept itself is a alternate dispute resolution mechanisms and it is a forum where a case which is pending before the court can be referred to Lokadalit or a case which is pre-litigation stage at any stage of pre-litigation can also be referred to Lokadalit. And Lokadalit per se itself is a statutory status and this Lokadalit gets a statutory status according to the legal services authorities at 1987. And as I told you, it's also an alternate dispute resolution mechanisms. We have five important alternate dispute resolution mechanisms where Lokadalit is one very important mechanisms which helps to solve the disputes amicably. And once a case which is pending before the court is referred to Lokadalit and if in Lokadalit if the matter is settled, that award which has been passed in the Lokadalit is final and it is binding on the parties. And on this particular award there lies no appeal which means the party cannot appeal to the higher court. And the best part of this is there is no court fees which needs to pay if you are going to a Lokadalit aspect in pre-litigation stage or if a case which is pending before the court and the matter is referred to Lokadalit, then the amount which you have paid is court fees is completely refunded to the parties. The other important nature of cases which can be referred to Lokadalit is one the case which is pending or the case which you are likely to be filing before the court. And here the offenses which are non-comfundable in nature cannot be referred to Lokadalit, rest every matter can be referred to Lokadalit. And how do you refer the matters to the Lokadalit case? A case which is pending the judicial officer has all the rights to refer the matter to Lokadalit with the consent of both the parties or if it thinks there is possibilities of settling the matter amicably. And in a pre-litigation stage the state legal service authority or the district legal service authority on receipt of an application from either one of the party telling that there is a likelihood of a dispute and based on which they can issue notice to the other party and settle the matter amicably. But there are a lot of advantages of the Lokadalit, one the procedures are very flexible and there is speedy trial of the disputes. There is no strict applicability of the procedural laws like normally the trial which we follow the civil procedure code and the evidence act, those sort of strict application of the procedure laws is not applicable in the aspect of Lokadalit. And the parties get opportunity to share freely what are their concerns and which these thoughts which they cannot share it before the court of law when the trial is happening the party get an opportunity to talk to the judges directly and talk to them and talk about the fears and the problems which they face. And then there is no court fees and if they have already paid the entire court fees is refunded which is also very less expensive and the other one last one is the award passed in the Lokadalit is final and binding on the parties. Normally once the trial gets over after the judgment comes we got an appeal we got second appeal and then we go to Supreme Court. So once an award is passed by Lokadalit then it becomes final and binding. This also helps in reducing the stage of litigations which is pending before the court. And as we know in the Lokadalit across the country there are more than 15.14 lakh Lokadalit which has been organized across the country and of which more than 8.25 crore cases are also settled through this mechanisms. Which is very effective and in Karnataka also many many cases have been solved through Lokadalit. The next aspect is hypocalysis. Permanent Lokadalit will take place under section 22B of the Legal Services Authority Act. The permanent Lokadalit is a statutory body which is constituted with a chairman and two members. And here they can only take up the matters with the relationship to public utility services. So what comes under the public utility services are transport services, postal telegram and telephone services, supply of power, light and water, systems of public sanitation, services of hospitals, dispensaries, insurance services or any other schemes which is being sponsored by the central or the state government. Which on this particular public services if they cannot avail this, they can go and file a case of any disputed nature, can file it before the permanent Lokadalit. The permanent Lokadalit has a jurisdiction. And here, unlike the Lokadalit, even if one thing matters, people with Lokadalit, the members and the jurisdiction to continue with the dispute and pass an award. And this award passed by the permanent Lokadalit is again final and binding on the parties. In our country, there are more than 1 lakh, 2 lakh cases disposed with the help of permanent Lokadalit. And they have also refunded around 23 crore rupees to the litigants who have been finding it difficult to otherwise get refund from non-functioning of these public utility services. So these are the two kind of Lokadalit which play a very prominent and important role in solving disputes and reducing the number of litigation spending in a country. Then to take forward the discussions on specifically with regard to the camps which the law colleges conduct and why it is important for law colleges to also play a very important role in reaching out to the communities and also help the government and the courts in reducing the litigation. And what happens in the Legal Services Camp module, which has been very clearly highlighted in the National Legal Services Authorities Scheme 2013, subsequently in 2016. They came up with a scheme telling that it's mandatory for all the law colleges to come up with a legal services camp module. Helps the people to want to create awareness and to clarify their doubts. Thirdly to also take assistance from the students and the faculties who are going there as part of Legal Services Camp module and to give them various legal opinions through which if required they can go to court or if required they can help them in approaching to a particular department to avail their benefits, which otherwise they are not able to get or they are not aware, what are the documents they need to give to avail these facilities. So this is one of the important step which has been, which is way forward, which has been come out by the National Legal Services Authority. And the aim and objective of the Legal Services Camp module is to educate the weaker sections of the society about the rights, about the benefits and the privileges guaranteed by the social welfare legislations and other enactment as well as the administrative programs and the schemes. The objective of the Legal Services Camp is one is to spread awareness on social legislations and various schemes which are available to the people at large and then how the community can access the schemes and how in case they are not able to access whom to approach to know the way forward. And then this particular thing is also the camp module also helps them in availing the, not only the schemes, the benefits, time to time benefits which the government launches and also to understand the legal need of the people and to address these legal problems and appropriately recommend what legal advice and measures can be taken. This legal camp module have three stages. One is called as a pre-camp module. In the pre-camp module the most important thing which law colleges have to do is, first important thing is they need to get in connected with the State Legal Services Authority. Like our college connected with the Karnataka Legal Services Authority who are very complete, who provided us with complete support and guidance in taking forward this particular camp module to the village. First to have coordination with the Legal Services Authority and with the District Legal Services Authority. Then the second important thing is to identify the target audience whom are we trying to achieve, which village are we adopting and what are we trying to address in this particular village. Third is to formulate a team with students, faculties and the fourth one is to go there and understand what are the, in each village there are different schemes. If it is a coastal village they have lot of schemes with regard to fisheries. If it is an agriculture, if most of the families are dependent on agriculture there are lot of schemes with regard to agriculture. So according to that based on the identified geographical locations they we are going to identify the needs what they want and then to identify the needs and the schemes specifically available for that particular need. And then you have to conduct pre-camp meetings with all the stakeholders and identify the village and the venue to conduct your camp and to next to have the students going to collect door to door information. Here normally what happens is we expect people to come to the court or the lawyers but here it's vice versa the students and the colleges go to the houses and ask do you have a problem. If so what is the problem you are having? Whether a complete detailed questionnaire is prepared and through this questionnaire we collect information on what are the difficulties where the people are, why they are not able to avail these facilities and why there is difficulty in accessing these basic schemes. These are identified collect data collected from them and then it is segregated and these segregated information are given to each department. Before we go into the field also there are lot of meetings conducted with all the stakeholders with complete support of the Karnataka State Legal Services Authority. We could meet with all the departments with panchayats, with Asha workers, social workers, with Anganwadi workers and with the watermen who also helped us in taking our students to the field. And then the challenges, the most of the important challenges which we faced was they were households were reluctant to give us lot of information. They were very curious to know why are we going the first challenge. The second challenge is many of them come like this and collect information but still we have not received any benefits. So that's the next important challenge which they try to explain. The third important challenge is this is just collection of data like others you don't come back to us. So what is the use we always tell you the problems we don't get anything in return. So these challenges is overcome by us and we are trying to collect data from around 18 villages and two panchayats was adopted, more than 3000 households we visited. Every student went door to door with a detailed questionnaire with all these in spite of all these challenges we could access the communities with the help of Asha workers because they are working in the field with panchayat members and also with the help of watermen who supply water to the houses because of which the community got confidence on these students and the when we approached them, they started sharing the difficulties and why they are not able to avail these benefits or get a legal remedy which they really require. With this all these details was collected. And along with this parallel we also conducted a lot of awareness workshops in the field talking about the social legislations, talking about women empowerment, talking about the child rights, talking about the agricultural rights, the lay right to education or citizens act right to education. Many acts awareness was conducted parallely so that they are one side awareness was happening one side we were conducting the collecting the questionnaire format of information on their difficulties. So both was happening parallel and then on the final day this was a seven days camp module on the final day all the departments came to that particular venue which was identified that is the second stage of the camp module which is on the day of the camp. All the departments came put on the stalls. There were a lot of community members who came there and they started interacting with the departments and trying to understand what are the documents which I need to produce if I need to avail these benefits and if I need to apply for a particular scheme what are the documents I need to produce all this was shared every department gave five to 10 minutes awareness programs on the schemes and if they want to avail the schemes what are the required documents which these community members need to produce to them all these were given and highlighted to the community members and the next day the community members were given an opportunity to come and give those submit those documents and an application in detail or asking them this scheme I want this is the requirement I want other card I want health card I want birth and death certificate I want old age pension so all these were the needs which they identified and they wrote and gave and they also submitted along with the documents. Many of them got remedy on that second day of the camp at the venue itself more than 700 people got other cards from that village and many of them also got health cards subsequent to that the third level of the particular camp module is post camp what happens so the data which we collect in the field are segregated and then whichever whoever have got the remedy we give it handed over to the departments who have not got the remedy we follow up with the district legal service authority and go to the concerned departments and ensure that if they are eligible for the particular benefit and scheme that needs to be given to them. So that's the third important face which the that's called post camp module which we are doing and through this what happens is many of the departments are now coming up openly and speaking about their for the schemes for example the women and department comes and speaks about the buggy Lakshmi bond which is given to the communities. The health department talked about the Ayushman card which the issue which is very easy to avail but people do not know it's so easy to get that card. The third revenue departments come and spoke about the other cards, and they also gave the other cut they bought the entire equipments, which needs to take photographs of the hand punching and all those, and this gave them the immediately other card was provided to the people. The education department spoke about the scholarship available to the school students and also spoke about the girl child welfare schemes. The agriculture department spoke about the free distribution of seeds they also spoke about distribution of seeds, components of the seeds, if you do not have space within this space, all this was shared by the agriculture departments through which many of the people got benefited and sub camp module is also helping these people in availing these benefits and facilities. So the outcome of this entire legal services camp module is through this service we could take the legal services to the doorstep of the needy people who otherwise find it difficult to find solution to their legal issues. It is healthy and it is not only weaker sections, it also helps the communities who do not or lack information on how to avail these facilities. That's one parallel side. The other one was many pending cases which was already pending in the court. One of them came in told us that they want to settle these matters amicably. So we have also referred around 40 to 50 cases to the local outlets which is happening in the district level. And the mayor we also knew the first local around 20 matters got settled. So which people are not aware that there was an existing of a local outlet system, they could go and even settle the matters amicably. So through this village legal services camp module, we were able to achieve objectives and go to the people at the doorstep to ensure that they avail the legal services. Thank you. Thank you for the presentation of yours to have a perspective in terms of the legal services of how it has developed. I think a lot of people not only because of the students, lawyers, and as we had talked to Dr. Subramanya, the basic context in which we had taken the session was that people down the talukas villages everybody is sensitized what are the rights, etc. There is a subtle difference between the normal course, the ADRs, the permanent local outlets as elaborately and extensively has been handled and how the paralegal services have also been playing a pivotal roles in the today's society. As they say that they are constituent despite the fact that there is so much clogging of the court cases but the legal services have created the space which has helped to do all this. One question, sir, it has been to you, can the alumni also take part in such camps? As of now it is meant for the students because when they were students they were supposed to have taken part. I am not able to give a certain reply because it is meant only for the students as per the power council resolution. Vidya, any answer you have? Because once you become a lawyer, sir, automatically you have a situation where you can always contribute. As a lawyer you can get a panel, you can work the district social services district, DSLSA and NALSAR etc. You can get yourself associated and be that as my once you have to sensitize the society as a lawyer or as a social engineering social worker, you can always do that. One important factor what I have found is majority of the students who are in the Arabian law schools come from middle class above background. As Gunnar Middle in Asian drama has pointed out, most of our administrators today, when he wrote long back in the 1950s, Asian drama in three volumes came in. Administrators today I don't have the first hand touch of the society or the rural village and they are the ones who make the law. So if the students at this stage are involved to go to the villages and to try to find out their problems and actually they will be in a position to give a better answer and themselves become good leaders of society. That is a great thing which I have realized when we conducted our program for a week very recently and all the Hiko judges were so happy and thrilled. They are all torch bearers of the society. They say that they are just like the saplings which will ultimately grow into the trees and give the right shade to the society at large by giving them the right sector of social legal impact on the social society with the legal impacts. 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