 Welkom bati Jeice Saku, kat vajibul naguwaspunamu ny Twain na mindshawez na masut felti Na min position katanya aon bueno na uwaru findega We shall discuss that later on. Yes, because right now we want to meet our panelist, the amazing panelist. On my right to have Maureen Obare, media consultant. When it comes to artist management, you're also aware about that. And also we have Boste Mujik. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nakuana. And you have Geraldine Oduar. Yes, looky good guys. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Let me come thank you. In three, two, one, go. Assign you. Thank you. Thanks ma'am. Yes, now let me, because today we are talking about artist welfare. Because you know there's so many young people actually watching us right now. And they want to venture into this field. So here I am. Miriam nimi identify my talent is, I want to be an artist. So you as, you have dealt Maureen Obare that is. You've dealt with artists. What can you advise me and see what exactly. So my identify talent yunguniku imba, sunona. So nimi atani ikona content. But in terms of top producer and management. Wow. That's it. I think that the talent we have, you know, the talent without any dispute. We have the talent. The most important thing for me that I feel like an artist should get is education. You know, because they have everything else except the skills. The education because and they also don't have a vision. I think that's the first place they should start. Have a vision because the crisis that we have right now is a lot of people woke up and found themselves famous. They didn't know how they got there. They can't tell anybody how to get there. They cannot transfer the skills because they did not go through the process and they didn't understand the process. So the first thing I would tell an artist is sit back. Just like the Bible says. Sit back and count your costs. Know what this thing is going to cost you. Is it sleepless nights? Is it how much at the studio? You're going to cost. Do you want to be a local artist? Do you want to be an international artist? How is your brand going to be portrayed outside there? Because we live in an era where creativity won't... We have a lot of creatives. But for you to break out, you have to be so unique. So the first thing I would tell them is don't rush into a studio. Don't do this. Don't do that. Content for genuine empowerment. Go for that education that by the time you start your journey, I'm running my race and this is what I'm going to do. I'm not going to look to the left to the right. I know there's so many artists but this is me. This is who I want to be. Content for genuine empowerment. Go for that first before anything else. Before you go to that studio. Because a lot of them go to the studio. I want a hit song. Okay fine, you get a hit song and then what next? It's all about passion. Yeah it's all about passion. Maybe kuna niwata se ma nikuna passion. Do I think that's all? No, no, no. The passion has to be there because it will keep you going. You get what I mean. When things are tough, when you feel like giving up, the drive will keep you going. But if you do not have the education, if you don't have genuine empowerment, then you won't be able to last because you wouldn't know. Because look at it this way. If you're successful and if you fail and you know the process and you know how you got yourself there, you have the education that you give there. Even if you fail, you will still get back up again and repeat the same process and make it. Yes, thank you so much Mori. Remember if you can be part of this conversation, you can ask our panelists any question because we have Mori, Mori, we have Bose Moji and we have Geraldine. Yes, our Facebook page is at Y254. You can ask anything that concerns artists and even the ministry when it comes to singing, acting and all kinds of art. We can be part of that conversation. And you have talked about transition, Mori. Now let me jump to Bose Moji. I've seen him transition from a group to going solo. Now maybe you can just tell us how has it been and if you incur any challenge even going solo. Let's share your experience with us. Definitely, there is so much going on. First of all, I agree with her about education because most of the artists who work with me are fun. It's fun until it becomes business. That's when we realise, by the way, we are business. And I remember Zemoji, we didn't look at it from the business perspective or getting education about what we were getting ourselves into. So, all we had was passion without the knowledge. So, what happened is we came in the field with money coming in. We are ghettoish. We are ghettoish. So, we are getting revenge. We are getting revenge. You know, we are getting revenge. Let's see that we got napitiya now. We are getting chips. We got a lot of millions but let me tell you, it never helped anyone of us. When I sit down and look what I have there is no... I think I started getting the education after we broke up. That's when the reality hits you. So, you came back then and you said, things would have been different? Very different. Because back then, we were brothers. We were brothers. Bro, and then you realized this thing has so much energy required so much to be put in and then, you know, so that whatever comes be justified. So, we are getting revenge. So, we are getting revenge. You can replace it with by the way, what do you contribute? I am. You contribute. It never hit us that much. But then when money comes in you start wondering, ok, he is doing kwa jajiwa nini. Ok. So, let me ask you, Boseboji, what is one thing where you have done it differently? I think as artists, one of the things to make know-it-servings for artists we don't save, we like parting as it comes, we party with it and then innaenda because we hope next week we will pop in. So, we are surprised that innaenda kwa ni was different. So, I think it's more of education but at the same time, if I am to talk about talent, if I am to talk about talent on its own I will disagree with everyone of few people because talent for your talent to shine God is involved. Fervor is involved. Ani ikitu ni God must be Ani God is involved in for your talent to shine is not about education is not about knowledge it's not about level of ani uli enda shule gani ikitu ni yani tayamungi kikumolika ewi it doesn't matter whether kwa na masoma wana mujinga ama kwa enda shule you shine so, you are the one who follows even the educated call you know, there is something we need from you naba ibu ina tuwambia nga pia iyo talentenya God ameku paya na iimeshain uto uli zuli tu mihaaaj So, I think that's where the problem comes kwa bu talent uta shainia iyo gloriako staiako ishain but uta fani ani ni iyo tayam I think that's the main problem yaa Let's move to Geraldine because I know you've been in the ministry Ya, and just like he talks about favor, I would advise every young person wants to get into this thing to seek God. That's the bottom line, because thank God for my sister, I know they sign artists or Shida's management and all that. But if you manage somebody doing gospel, who is not in gospel, it's tragedy. So we need artists who are born again, the bottom line. And if we are not going to tell the truth, nobody will. If I don't, who will? Wow, and again, saying that you've been there for more than a decade, there is the transition in the style of the gospel. What's your feel about it? And what, nini nuna yasema, according to you, your own perspective, haida indivizuri? Not quite, we embrace change, we have to embrace change. Even these guys have been quite there for quite some time, we've had of Emoji for quite a while. And when the change came at first we were so reluctant, even getting to Facebook was like no, I mean I'm born again. But at the end of the day it boils down to how do you handle it, what do you do with it. And so in every space God has something for each one of us. And let us not get so stressed up because a lot of people at the moment are depressed and are losing it mentally because of maybe financial constraints and all that. And that's why I want to take us back to the basics, let's get back to God and let it be gospel. Let me come back tomorrow because you brought in... Because you brought in the aspect of musician, if you are a gospel artist you should be managed by a gospel management. Not quite, I'm very sure of what I say, I said if you want to do gospel, be in the gospel. So management is kind of business and you know business we handle anybody. The only thing that Maureen needs to know is that I want to handle Geraldine, she is a gospel artist. And by my character she will be able to treat me as a gospel artist. She must not be born again but I would employ you my sister, get born again. She's born again, she is. I am sorry for that. I'm sorry for that. I am sorry for that. We are saved, we shall be saved, we will be saved. So even as they manage it must not be that somebody who manages a gospel artist must be born again. There is also the business part of gospel And business we deal with anybody The only space that you need to create Let them know that it is gospel Good, good, now worry When it comes to aspect management What are the things an artist should look out for Before even signing into management Because up on your what when heza fanya bula nda san First of all I would like to make it clear That I am born again And professionalism is something that Born again Christians joke with You get what I mean I mean God says there is a time for everything When it is me in my office I know my foundation is Christ And that is what I am pushing But it shouldn't be Now doing the wrong thing at the right time There is a time for everything There is a time to be professional And all this even Christ thrives in order And professionalism and all that So we can't dismiss that fact You get I have been able to manage both Gospel artists And contemporary or just artists So your question Do you want me to handle the gospel Or do you want me to handle As an artist As an artist Because this is also a ministry Anyway it is also a ministry Because I am also an actress So in my secular, in my gospel I know what my foundation is At the end of the day I know I am going back to Christ And it is the one who leads everything else But you know when he said Education And he spoke about God's favor It is God's favor The ultimate is what covers It is what covers you What sets you apart Because you can have the money You can have the gift You can have everything else But you don't have God's favor But also we need to know That you get into Like the Bible says The kingdom of God advances daily So you can't use an old revelation Now you get in a new era That's why I brought up The aspect of empowerment Like when you speak about gospel Is know that every time You need to contend for empowerment You need to go to God You need to get to be refreshed Because a lot of artists are faking power And it's so easy to fake power But you cannot fake freshness If you're not fresh, you're not fresh If you're not fresh, you're not fresh And that's why I said There is need for continuous study You get what I mean, continuous study The Bible says study to show yourself approved So yes, you have your gifts Everybody has gifts You get It's without that Everybody has that But for the difference is There are people who are putting in more time To improve their skills To empower themselves They're putting in extra time Even with God Even with studying the Bible Just to be relevant The thing is be relevant So what do you consider before you sign in an artist? Before I consider an artist An artist should be able to know themselves And that's the hardest thing that we are battling with A lot of artists do not know themselves Yes, they know they're gifted, they're talented But a lot of them are struggling with identity crisis Because they want to look like any other person So we have an industry that looks like It looks the same Like I said, uniqueness is the key To also set you apart You get what I mean But we're all going with the wave For me if I get an artist Who is unique That's the first thing But then again They should also know themselves And character is very important for me If you don't have the character If you cannot follow protocol Because a lot of them can't follow protocol They struggle with following protocol And things like that So they have to be in a position Where they know themselves Just kidogo education You get what I mean Just know what you need to do At a certain time Then even the drive To just do it To go for it But the most important thing I think for me is I just look for an artist who is wise And I also look for mentorship For artists who have mentors But where do we usually go wrong? When it comes to management And artists who don't want to break up They can't always make headlines Jumoja maya restiwa When do we come to that point And where do we go wrong? Like I said Sit back, count the costs Let's say for example in a group Let's say in a group of men Let's say boss, MOG We're all men Maybe back then there were boys They were growing into men So the first question is When we get to this point Where we're going to have families Where we're going to have girlfriends Where we're going to have this and that How we're able to control all of this So money has to come in This person has to pay rent This person has to pay rent This person has to pay rent So our rates for either shows Or anything going to increase When it gets to that point So count this costs Because we're aging It's not like we're not aging Everybody is dreaming How do we not fight as a group How do our dreams Don't fight You get Because it's important Maybe someone wants to get into fashion design Doesn't mean they can get into that Or whatever But how do you Count the costs Before you get into the whole thing Because it's major trust me And they normally start breaking up When probably a girl is coming It's just very very But it's because they did not Count the costs Are we going to stay up all night How is that going to affect my family How is that going to affect every other thing So they prosper But their soul is not prospering That's the problem Let me just go back to Bose Moji Because their feedback Is saying that art really pays And there are so many challenges Even when it comes to finances And even recording And doing music And what involves around art Okay And Bose Moji We've seen you release two songs This year In February This year This year Are we in less than two months In less than two months You've seen like two projects Yes What keeps you going And how do you manage all this Releasing all this music And never Number one When I started music I knew that this is all I know And this is what I'll be doing For the longest time So what I did I invested back To my music So I normally have both Studio for audio and video Because also Producers can be depressing At times Especially when you have a deadline To reach So you You say you tell So you faced it before Not setting up Ya Ikitu iku Asa niwa nalia wukuchi niwa Watu asiki simu Asa niwa Unenu na record Una li pa pesa kote Project in account Una rudi Una mema fan Say Friday Mimi na nini You're Friday TIT Mute Mute sa So me ditu Those kind of depression I decided I'll nini back I'll invest back to my music At the same time The reason also I normally do that Is Understanding the market Also matters Because especially I'm a versatile artist I can do dance All I can do Hip hop To my honor To my witness I can do worship Because I'm a worshiper At my church So I have to know What If I'm doing dance What will this dance Give me back If I am doing worship What does worship bring back If I am going to do rap What will rap Give me back So I've learned to understand The difference Between these generals Of music Because At times we expect something But you didn't saw the right seed Where you expect something to germinate But Where you expect something to germinate Is a place buyer You can't do dance Or expect To earn a skiza A skiza To sell a skiza tune It's a lie You can't Nobody will buy your rap music Unless it's the young age Of which it's in kuchochana Hey, young girl, you're a girl But they will never put it in their phone Just give it up And you'll say Mungu wangu Waju wa sababu But ame ku appreciate You're dancing Na mami ame nikona wewa Kwa show They will jump Yes, they'll come at the show Now This is where you need to understand Where as an artist And also education Vilamesema You need to understand That every seed Ni ni una plant Kuna kituna fahakuleta And you know Kwa kuna vilota panda Maembe or expect Paupaua or expect I am a man And I say something So you just need to know So for me I've learned to understand That I am an indoor artist At times I love staying indoor So I need something that makes Money for me when I'm indoors When I am producing When I am dealing with other artists So I need something Make a man for me So that's why At times I do a deep song To keep playing Spirituality At the same time For business purposes And then I get a dance soul Now for show purposes Because I also love to be energetic On stage Ni kii perform So I need an energetic song So that's why At times I might do a dance soul At times I shift to the worship And people will be like Eh Okay So they don't know what I'm seeing Some artists might say Ya, umetu hangu ma mingi Yes, go check my check Because I want to stay indoors When I'm in front of people But you don't have money In return Okay Okay, let me go to Geraldine Now these are artists Who have done like three songs Zoteni hit Now celebrity status Panda Pesai nga ingia Life on the ground Parlay Meshika Yumga uliza epoji No, I want you to answer these Because in the industry You can actually tell You can actually advise these artists Who are still coming up And they have made it And you know Pia Pesai naza Ka bank account ka naza kuhu Kuna na But you know just You have stability Na kwangangumu sometimes So there are times you are high There are times you are low So ume shukachini wuna do Inabini ume hamiyam time Fla ni ume rudim ta ila ingine Ya, so ina kwangangumu Kuma manage during that time Maybe we can just talk to these artists I think seasons Every person must know that seasons change Today you are up You will not be up there forever So when it's your season Maximize But remember God is watching So even as you maximize As he has said it so well You need to invest Other than that When your season comes down Don't struggle You know there is a season For releasing songs And there is a season For taking a back seat Because so just retreat So when you see somebody retreat As who have been there we know This is simply a retreat When they come back It is a bang But the problem we Want to struggle every season Even when you are not in season You cannot plant mangoes When it's not a season for mangoes I mean you won't harvest And then So we need to really know Even in every profession We have what we call Consultants God can elevate you To a level of a consultant In the year to you You want to still jump dance hall You need to understand The season And I believe That consultants Are more Than What we are You see Usione Simba Amenye Shewa Kadani Na wewe Uki fika yo level ya kwa ya To liya Yoto na se machezachinia magi But keep trusting God That's why I said We have to really start from God And I would advise every other Especially Gospel Let me talk Gospel Because I'm also a preacher Gospel artists Find a church to go Sing in church Before you get to the studio The problem She mentioned about people Kuskiza We have celebrities Who are not mentored by anybody They don't have pastors Nobody And so when the stress starts coming in Because at one point it will cut We are human One day you are up Another day you are down You have nowhere to share Then you start like Nobody bothers No people bother Only that you didn't fit Where you were supposed to be Sing in the church Sing choruses You're in the worship team Before you rush to the studio I mean How do you want to bless masses When you have not blessed even a hundred people In your church Thank you so much Any projects we expect from you These here, colabos Ya they are many They are coming with the space Microphone, microphone Oh sorry I mean They are many They are coming with the space But also At the moment I'm doing a lot of Mentorship programs We mentor a lot of young people They have tried They have struggled They are giving up I wouldn't encourage somebody Don't give up If we gave up If we didn't give up Back then You should not give up If we gave up You wouldn't be seeing us Exactly Number two I mean Get back to the Bible Okay Ya Don't look for fame and money Money will come But money can come And it's not even your money Okay Yes And how can people interact With me on social media Oh On I don't know Emoji after this kindly trained me Because I used to see a long time ago Don't leave me behind I don't know The underscore Or whatever it is That I'm Geraldine O'Dwarr Or no social media platforms I think Facebook There's a hefziba In between Facebook page But I'm basically Geraldine O'Dwarr I am a gospel singer I'm a preacher I'm a mother I'm a mother of three Yes And I'm a mother of teenagers You can shout out Shout out Shout out to all of them I have Mish Viola I have Neema Sally Who is actually getting back to school today And I have Jix Malaki Who had gone back to school He's in Maseno Neema is in Kenyahai Mish is at Jikwat Wow And we are getting strong Thank you And of course the father Oh yes Yes you can mention this Sorry I thought it was me I thought it was me I thought it was me I thought it was me I thought it was me Give me three wonderful people Wow Thank you Thank God Yes Bosa Emoji Tumbe Project Zinkine Tuna I have done one with them Gay coming Dropping And the next couple of months That's exclusive And another one with Gloria Yo, at least confidently And I said it was me Gloria Malidopia Wow So there's an issue That I'm addressing So there's a song That I'll be releasing in the next two weeks Addressing the issue Of depression Suicide Because there are In those cases Everyday people are committing suicide And all that Yeah So those are I'll be releasing Sensible Pia music Because music is also meant To educate people So at the same time When I was in When I was in Fwata Paale On your Facebook You can follow me Paale Instagram Bosa Emoji So you can do it So I'm Bosa Emoji Bosa Emoji Kenya Twitter Bosa Emoji Facebook And if you're an artist In Fwata studio Up and deep on the house of Sarah Make sure you hit me up And you can message me You can message me So you can message me Bye You can message me You can message me You can say I'll say my bubble Yes, so depression And mental health Yeah As we wind up I can touch on it There's a project I saw You'll be having Also you'll be sharing Mental health Maybe you need to Ambiya I can just echo And probably what Geraldine said Number one is not As an artist Basically as a gospel artist What you do in private The time you spend with God Is what matters most More than the likes on Facebook What happens in the public So the more you're broken In God's presence The bigger you will get You get because a contract And a broken heart God cannot despise So artists cannot fear failure They cannot work in fear You get because God will not despise Your state You can always go back to God And he will He will answer your prayers But it has to be A continuous brokenness You can get to a point And say Okay, now I've made it Now I feel like I'm big Or whatever like that It has to be a continuous process Of God, yes I've gone to the stage People have cheered People have done this And that to me I'm big I'm being played here and there But every time you go to God I wasn't in that ego You get what I mean It has to be Yes, God, in your presence I know all these things you've done Is for your glory Not mine So it has to be A continuous state of brokenness Continuous state of brokenness That's how you grow So we're going to have a workshop It's a new workshop It's going to be happening on the 29th We're going to be talking about The fundamentals of what An artist needs Which is PR, marketing Branding And I would urge All artists to come Yes Yes So I would urge Every artist to sign up The charges are just 350 Compared to You know It's funny because Artists in Kenya Funny If they don't pay for it If they don't value it So what do you mean? They don't value it Anyway So I would urge All artists to show up You can see you press on posters On Safri Records platform They're also on my posters Full details are there At Morena Bari You can follow me And you get all the information But make sure you turn up Because Apu mbelembeli Sikwetunafanya Trial and error Trial and error By the time you realize Ten years has gone As past your time Ended You're irrelevant Okay So now we'll move to farming Thank you so much Wajitoke Wajitoke Thank you so much Yes Morena Bari Yes It's Morena M-O-U-R-I-N-E Yes, thank you so much To the amazing panelists For making time To actually discuss These things It affects us all And I hope You've learnt something To make a home I hope you've learnt something And as well as Thank you so much For everyone who contributed To this discussion By asking questions By Even kuchangia Hapanapale Anyway, thank you so much So we're going to leave you With Geraldine Redor Who will be performing to us Yes