 If you're just getting to join us, this is Y254 TV and this is why in the morning, WCW edition, where we just get to have fun, to talk, to get, you know, we, you know how we do it. We get good vibes, we get great conversations, good music, and we give you the juice. But before we go, we've got about talking about the juice. Today, tomorrow is a swally, very funny. It's a very... touch feelings to these questions. We are asking, apart from Payah, which animal are you paying rent for? And before we start that discussion, because I'm not alone, we're going to be doing that discussion. Let me just read a few comments that say, that are having me laughing here. There's someone saying, good morning, tuned in live from Tar Veta, Leselia City, apart from Payah. Good morning Africa, good morning to you, good morning, someone is saying parka, mosquito and bedbugs. That one got me in stitches when I saw it, but that's just part of the many conversations or the many feedbacks that we're getting from you, in case you're just getting to see this, go on your social media handle, like the FIFO channel, at Facebook, Instagram and Twitter. Tell us. And in the same spirit, we are talking about domestic sanity, and I'm not alone to discuss that. I have wonderful women we're going to have a great conversation with, and I just want them to introduce yourself. Karibuni Sana, thank you for making time. Thank you. I want you to introduce yourself, just tell us something about yourself. So basically, where do I start from? You're looking at me, that casier face, and I know, look at me, that casier face, now that you've given me that casier look here, yeah, let's start where? Okay, I'm Aime, my name is Aime, and I'm a journalist. Oh, you're welcome. Thank you. Okay, my name is Lucy, Jerry, I'm a student at the University of Nairobi, a political science student, and I'm 22 years old. Oh, nice. You both have houses, right? Yes. We talked about domestic sanity, and I'm not alone to be a parent, apart from Panya. Of course, Panya is not alone, I'm not alone to be a parent. Occasionally, my sister comes to stay with me for free. Wow, did your sister just, what is she just called Kamyama? Parasite. See this, am I to Kamyama? Yeah, and obviously, the normal mosquitos, yeah, you know, sometimes I always feel guilty about killing the mosquitos, especially that they are female, they are not fearless mosquitos. Women, I, women for women. Why? Why? I'm not afraid of the mosquitos. I'm not afraid of the mosquitos. Let me tell you, even when we talk about domestic sanity, do you feel like, what do we call it stigmatization that comes with having some of these animals in your house? yeah yeah yeah personally some some of those parasites in the house they are used they are usually associated with uncleannies it's like you are dirty it's like you are not able to maintain your personal hygiene and some of them are also related to poverty things like bed bugs what's on us them are oh if you have bed bugs in your house it means you are maybe living with some low standards that was a time yeah because I remember we had we had an outbreak of bed bugs everywhere and we it was it was that it was bad you know aim what do you what what sentiments do you share about the stigmatization around I will say sometimes it depends because sometimes it just happens in other seasons so it's just automatically when you go to someone's house I love you when you're in a pitta what crosses your mind could you go to the kitchen not cream food romance everywhere so will you eat in such a house yeah I would but depends with we've we've also maybe so depending so we can agree that there there's a time that's outbreak of this this to to parasites and insects the Mendez too yeah there's a time that okay the thing with Mendez okay in my opinion I would I would want to probably indulge it's enough to yeah even when you didn't you didn't have Mendez but you don't come on you're depending on the environment but then in your neighborhood maybe there is west dampage everywhere so you'll get Mendez in Guinness so it's something you can do away with because of people's ignorance or or maybe you think it's normal it's like a normality like it happens so why not accommodate them but hey do you feel like there's a place that is okay now that's really brought that really brought that point up that there are areas that are prevalent to experience like a certain type of outbreak over other areas like the way a probably I didn't want to say Kibra because I wanted to say Kibra Kibra personally I have grown up in and I grew up in and you know there there will do we say that there um there the outbreaks that were prevalent in Mokuru that were not prevalent in Runda say Kileleshua say those a bit of urban areas and a bit of posh places what do you what do you think about that I'll only go with the environment depending the environment some things cannot be avoidable so things like rats sometimes you know you just can't avoid yeah where do the rats come from come to think of it from sewages around so I'll say sometimes the environmental effects uh get if maybe your area is um close to a dump site sewages swampy areas of course the pets will come right compared to the posh places where there's like daily cleaners daily maintenance oh wow hey okay there's something interesting that someone had raised let me let me just get it I wanted to ask to ask about someone said that um I'm just checking down from those things that were were were noted as I was going through social media someone said that a man's house can I come in and I'm like it's true but do you feel like that comment was justifiable that uh not only one of me even some ladies are so dirty so it's in both ways it's in both scenarios but sasa I think men tend to be clumsy so they'll maybe sometimes yeah would you date a man that has those things in his house I wouldn't never hi how even hey one of them met like a little queen jay come on colleagues of you two are the same but they wouldn't hi what see you'd help him clean you you tell him you know we put you put his life together I think before dating you did someone you compatible with someone who's clean so I'm not her mother I'm not his mother so okay when personal you feel like you cannot teach a person about personal hygiene you know uh we all grew up differently so I think from Ayan edge from my young age you're supposed to live like this you're supposed to live like this and we grow up knowing that that's the same way to live so when you meet with a person and decide to date know you're not a must to take a shower every day it's okay to live with Mendez in your house you cannot correct that person hey yeah but what's this one baby but what I mean is you're your daddy yes I mean because I couldn't go to school I'm sick oh bye see no bye and I wear it like when I come to your house I just look at you I it's enough to tell me thank you don't get me something to eat don't even give me something I know someone I know someone that someone I don't want to mention I don't want to really describe her but I know someone that I cannot drink water in her house right what what makes you now other than now let's not even talk about the rodents the parasites the insects what signs do you see in someone and you feel like this one they're down hygienically depending with both female in male okay depending I think with how you package yourself your outward appearance also depends because if you work and you're really unkempt that only shows you see no personally I grew up in a village you know because the water is not contaminated so I grew up knowing that you see but you come to understand that some some of those places are very salty water and you're like that's not a form of being and hygiene right but for me I think it all comes down to how you package yourself how often do you take a shower how often do you brush your teeth how often do you like change your hair for women I had a friend in campus woman she looks nice she smells nice she has everything about her house is terrible like I would literally and now the good thing is that we were very close so I would tell her I wouldn't shy away from telling her miss ways if unless I get to her house and now I decided to clean up the entire place so that I am able to use things that I know but now there's this now this category of people you meet out here they look nice like now me look but now you find terrible results because so I'm thinking it doesn't just narrow down to how someone looks right appearance because now if you look at me right now are you okay you look okay you look fine I can't say I can't say I'm at a bed how just spread I can't say I'm at a tata everywhere like I'm at a viatu I'm a rusa everywhere you know your clothes are welcoming us from Lango I can't say that but it might be that you might look at me and do you think that there are people who come aflage yeah there there are people who do that but then I I've never really understood why because they just piss you off but you know it's life I don't think they are camouflaging I just think sometimes we are lazy in some sectors yeah so now those people who grew up with house helps want to get to look who take care of themselves but everything else they're not done for it yeah so now I'm going to turn you in I'm surfing and I'm going to surf but I don't know but come on I'm going to surf and I'm going to surf but I don't know but I'm going to surf but I'm going to surf but I don't know I'm going to surf but I'm going to surf but I don't know but I'm going to surf but I'm going to surf but I don't know at one point we all do that right yeah so I feel um if you can be able to take care of yourself first then it's easier for you to manage the rest of the things something she's she's talked about that and then I've just remembered some interesting conversation we were having just before we came on on on set is this an interesting conversation I was having with Steph but you know do you do you look at someone and you're like where you can't you can't maintain a house or you can't maintain a house from the way they look like with this long needle someone would look at me and be like hey you you you can't maintain a house you think sometimes you'll notice sometimes you wouldn't depending with the small integrities that you notice doing as a part of sometimes into out of the parents but the moment you know my god it depends because she said the reason the way she said that there are people who grew up with help they know how to take care of me but I don't know how to take care of how but it doesn't really matter because come on maybe washing is a problem you can always hire someone to wash for you do your house chores maybe a week so it's okay that you can get someone to help you yeah yeah okay what you had asked for I think a lot of stereotyping outside here especially when you know a girl looks nice people automatically assume this girl cannot wash utensils she cannot clean she cannot do blah blah blah sometimes it's true but most of the times it's a lie yeah so I think we should not be fast to judge um by your outside appearance and about um employing somebody to do your house chores for you totally okay totally okay for me me why you and I both yeah yeah yeah so somebody will automatically assume maybe I'm lazy maybe I'm dirty but no I'll wash my clothes yes but somebody else will do it for me you know something the clothes are clean what what do you think yeah it's still perfectly fine either you did it yourself or you look for someone to do it for you well and good but personal hygiene it's important so how do you would you help a man improve his hygiene um I wouldn't I would look for someone who's already clean enough because yeah you're not you're not rehabbed for badly raised man really I'm not I'm not because you know I'm trying to teach someone else other habits they know how you're used to maybe him he's not used to do that you you know yeah so there's no need to do that okay well personally I would help a man to improve his personal hygiene because sometimes he doesn't have the awareness that he's actually dirty right so when it comes to things like maybe brushing your teeth maybe somebody maybe a man a regular man are used to brushing in the morning but where maybe we'll take a brush at least twice a day so you just find a comfortable way of telling him or maybe you start doing the routine together because when it's a part of here where there's something you do you think you're being clean but actually you're not being clean and instead of somebody dumping you of uh it's a me problem not you see here when you're cleaning you will improve yourself not only for him but also for the future right yeah really I would I have oh yeah I have the things for physical make you do it's the energy for you I can maybe they let me tell you I'm not supposed to say this or that because my mother will come for my head but because it has come no we just shop I there's this there's this um guy I will probably every time I would pass by his house it's always alchemist it's dirty it's he was just disorganized in nature personally I am not the neatest of neatest while I was sitting but I love a few things organized I can't stay in a disorganized space so exactly thank you I feel irritated because I enter the kitchen and the first thing I meet is a pile of dishes you know and and I realized that actually this guy has a problem with being organized so I will come I did it a few times whether I would come clean up help him clean up everywhere not talking the entire place is sparkling clean the next time I come I find the situation I found before so I started telling him no you know when you remove your clothes put them in there in the bin don't go through in them don't remove your clothes from the door remove your clothes when you drink something like when you have a meal or something rinse your cup especially when it's tea just come to the sink rinse it put it back you won't have a lot of piling and I think it's time to cut up so I'm thinking it's not it's what you can and can do but if you don't have the grace to to help someone improve don't force me I also think doing something for a month when I could buy a time exactly I was waiting for that comment you'll do the first the one time you'll do it the second time you'll do it the third time you'll do it then the fourth time they'll be like okay yeah I think the best the best way to go around that is clean it with him it's vacation for your boy maybe he will ask me about it but we are part of the dynamics of being clean and neat it's just it's just different now let's take this discussion to the point here the aged you know the aged our grandparents how do we help those people I think sometimes you can hire a nanny or someone to take care of them because we are so busy but you don't have the time to go attend to your parents so you can either choose to opt to have someone to do it for them job five by five to all that period the stench we get from the smell we get from their houses their houses or their body or something I don't really think it's their body because sometimes maybe she's sick maybe um maybe somebody needs to change the sheets okay I'll say um you say for a baby I think almost all the babies they smell almost the same depending on hygiene um also you also me but because maybe they have poor dieting so when it comes to the old apart from not them maybe taking a shower regularly they are also aging so it's kind of natural because thank you that's what I wanted come on I'm going to say goodbye but there's a way they smell so if you want to come out there but I think I think I'm sorry but I will try I know the smell and that's the smell you will get it from another show yeah but you see no matter how you go and clean their house and clean and wash clothes like they'll still like emit that smell and I think we should like impress it maybe that's how old age supposed to smell wow jesus guy you know sometimes I look at this old um women shows shows or something and I imagine and I can't see it I can't see the girl I'm trying to see it but for some reason it doesn't come but anyway speaking of bathing frequencies how how many times should someone take a bath for them to know that I think once a day is nice but you can maybe adjust to twice yeah but once a day it's okay okay well personally I think twice at least in the morning and in the evening especially for ladies I've met someone he don't ask me to let Julia be it's a she and of course if you study in a boarding school the our boarding schools public ones then you know gang and you know take a bathroom or your mess mama point you to your water so I'm gonna honor this girl who will shower I'm a jupica sabuni I'm a juma giliyamaji pick sabuni again shower again juma giliyamaji and then do it at that time and I would be like why why as she was like even you want to have a calm selfie I'm like are you being extreme though my best friend in high school and I used to feel like it's it's insane like it's madness how can you want to go to panda right and it all comes down to Gaji now I think the same when I took your show beyond both and then I was coming to be all no thank you for bringing it yeah so I think sometimes you take a shower a really good shower but still you are not clean I don't know who taught me how to shower because I start with my hands but my face is the last thing I wash and I'm like who taught you to how to shower just be how to shower because who starts with me corner who said you're the last thing you know I feel like but I mean you also should be the first thing yeah but anyway but you're better off my friend I'll go on on that way or be good sir sir I am those people now that she's brought up the utensils bit I was going there and those people who will arrange dirty utensils if I'm not planning to wash them even if it's not even if even if I'm not planning to wash them they can't wash utensils because they're too big so I will pick Vikonde, Panga Masali, Toa Uchefuka Masali, Panga them in one piece and then now my mother has a way of asking especially if I have not washed the utensils and then I have pangat them nicely you would think they are washed my mom would my mom sometimes gets into the kitchen and she asks me oh no she'll be over me Panga Puka Makitu Mzuri so I'm like but is there a criteria for washing utensils there is no criteria as long as all of them are clean so what do you tend to the sofria I don't tend to the sofria in a field you come out with a shower you don't want to use the one that has sofria but then you don't want to use sofria so then you're mad you want a mwaga then you run to the rest of the utensils okay I don't know if it's kind of sounds like you're going to stick or pass how do you even start with sofria I think when I was growing up because sofria is the most of the energy who told us that we should start with sofria my mom used to say you have to clean the sofria okay so you have to clean at least clean okay that's it that's it I don't know if you are saying that you are sofria or you are sofria and you take most of their efforts so you are sofria actually I don't know if you are saying that you are sofria sofria sofria is like they are not part of the utensils in a way right yeah but I don't know I think I don't know I don't know how many times should someone wash their kitchen depends on how many times you are using your kitchen right exactly yeah so if you don't cook every day then you cannot stay you can't even be like hygiene you need to wash this but sometimes it depends you're not cooking every day but then you're eating every day and then those refuses you're leaving them maybe on the sink on the cabinet so just regular cleanup is important so speaking of regular cleanup even for the house for us to avoid some of these parasites because sometimes how many times should someone thoroughly clean their house there is that thoroughly cleaning and there's just normal maintenance you know for thoroughly cleaning I'll say twice a week maybe Wednesdays and weekends okay I think it also boils down to how many are you in that house so I think cleaning at least once a week okay at most on Saturdays how do we get any idea of how we get rid of these two nyamas pesticides insecticides whether it's a term we try to spray cockroaches pesticides they can be hectic right yeah I think it's just finding the right one that works for you and and also covering all the foods such as pre-mains of foods just anywhere because those those insects I'm not just a parasite they attract each other one part after the other I'm the the next relative me come on eat you're not gonna green up us but I'm being told our time is up I appreciate your coming I don't know I normally I would say tell us something as we wind up but now today we're talking about domestic sanity I don't want to tell you to tell us something so I want you to give us a parting shot whichever whatever you want to add whatever you want to say and then tell us what we can get you on social media okay we start from okay fine I'll start okay I will also just say I think domestic sanity is important because it also helps with your like mental health because if you're organized is that camera okay because if you're organized also your mental health will be okay because you'll get most of the times you're thinking correctly you don't have like messed up thoughts so yeah it's important then on instagram I'm a boy nice thank you okay um that's your camera so when it comes to domestic sanity I would say it's important for us to do things that are normal yeah um we stick to the normal things and yeah you have to be insane while dealing with your day-to-day lives otherwise your whole life will be like disorganized so on social media at instagram at green underscore she tiktok queen underscore she thank you so much for making time I really appreciate your coming it means a lot at least to me learn a thing or two you know that's how fun the shot took what what we called us vacation boy child vacation stop giving boy child vacation I'll start doing something different thank you that has been WCW domestic sanity we have been talking about domestic sanity probably you're just out there your tomb you're thinking that I hope you've got anything or two about how to keep to tidy up your place and how to just maintain order but we are taking a very short break we will be back with more of course I'll be taking your feedback when we come back but don't touch that style