 who you could be talking about. First of all, you could totally do that. No, no, no. I don't have two young children. I have a mortgage. I don't have that kind of income. You do. No, no. I think you make more than our next guest. You have some nerve. First of all, get out of our wallets. I'm not in your wallet. It's just speculation. No, no, no, you, I, I. He clears our next guest. No, I don't. Let's ask him. No, but I think he comes from institutional money. What is his name? Dad, I can't get into it. Travarious Wingo III. Yeah, I mean, really, you're not born poor. It was your first name, Travarious or Trudevian? It's Hal. Hal for Davion Wingo III. How was Hawaii, Trey? Well, it was wonderful, Michael. And by the way, you could totally go. Didn't you have an Italy last summer? I'm just checking, all right? It wasn't last summer. It was two summers ago? Two summers ago, I guess. I believe it was a birthday gift for my wife. There you go. So she gave you a nice birthday gift. No, no, no, no. I gave her a birthday gift. The only gift for me was to stay with my... Not many people can give your wife that kind of gift. I'm telling you. Yeah, but the pictures you sent out, you had the entire Wingo clan. I mean, you went to like forever 23 and found every relative you had and flew them out to Hawaii. We did. My mom and dad came for like four days. That was it. See, that's institutional money when you go to Hawaii for just four days. Well, that's my dad and mom being in their 80s and closer to the coast. And they're like, yeah, what the heck? Why not? You're happy to have them. Did you have a good time? Michael, it's hard not to. I've never been there. Well, people always ask me, why do you go back every year? Then they go once, like Field Yates did this year, and they never ask that question again. So I just... Field Yates is too young to even deserve a Hawaii vacation. I wasn't Field Yates, by the way. It was Roger Santillo. And they're the same person. How old is Field? 26? I think he's just now allowed to see our rated movies. Yeah, come on. He needs to wait another 10 years before he deserves it. I still haven't taken my Hawaii trip. I'm 40. I'm hoping to get there. Let's go. And listen, you can literally take a direct shot from New York to Honolulu and then take a puddle jumper or a Hawaiian Airlines flight to any other island. It's a seven minute flight. So what do you wait for? How long is the flight from New York to Honolulu? I think it's like 11 hours. I can't do that. Yes, you can. I can't stand flying. So why would I be in a hurtling tin can? You have a tough job for someone who doesn't like flying during that time. It's the only part of my job I don't like. I don't like to fly. Why? But see, I mean, listen, I don't know how it works. But your frequent flyer miles must be through the room. No, they don't. I don't even belong to frequent flyer clubs because I don't want to fly in my free time. Can I tell you something that you might as well just take money and burn it? OK. I mean, literally. Trey, we've never covered this before. Michael, you refuse to belong to any. I belong to one frequent flyer club, and that's American Airlines. I just don't have the time. You have the time, and you have the money. Let's be clear about that. But not Wingo money. Anyway, so you obviously were following sports while you were there, right? And you were playing a lot of golf from what I could tell. Can't confirm both of those things for sure. What's your take on the Astro situation? Are the players angry at the wrong person? Shouldn't they be angry at their own union? I guess. But I mean, my thing is, it's funny, on the way back, I watched the Billy Corbin pseudo-documentary called Screwball. Oh, it's supposed to be great, yeah. It's phenomenal. It's really, really well done. And I guess I'm still, I understand they're upset with Manfred for two reasons. Number one, the players, like we had Joe Giordi on this morning, OK? And Joe Giordi summed it up. He doesn't think, as you alluded to earlier, Michael, in your infinite wisdom on our time together on a Wednesday on the Michael Clay Show, that he doesn't think there's still any deterrent for players to stop doing it. Because Luna is gone. AJ Hinch is gone. Alex Cora is gone. Carlos Beltran is gone. But the Braggman's in the Altuve, and the Carlos Correa holier-than-thou approach about telling people to get the fact straight, are you kidding me? They're still playing. They still have a championship, and they have a chance to compete for another one this year. It still feels like the Lethal Weapon II plot, right? Diplomatic immunity. I could do whatever I want to do, because my union's so strong that nobody can touch me. And you know what? The football players should pay attention to this, because they don't have that, right? No other union in sports has that. The Players Association in baseball has it because of how strong they've been, how unified they've been. They canceled the World Series back in 1994 because of that unity. And nobody else has it. But I do think there's something wrong with the strong union translating into basically diplomatic immunity. No, I agree with you. And the reason why I brought up screwball, the biogenesis thing, is because people are like, oh, no, we'll take forever. It will be ugly. And they'll probably win the appeal anyway. And the point being, so what? Because let's say Rob Bamberton, look, I know I'm going to lose this. I don't at the end of the day, but I have to stand up for something. I have to do spoofing so the players understand you can't do this. You know who would take the L? Even if the appeal was overturned? The union. It would be the players. That's the players union. I mean, by basically throwing up your hands and going, ah, what are you going to do? You know, to me, that's the worst thing he could have done. Just take the L. Instead of all things, to refer to the World Series, the commissioner's trophy as a piece of metal, you can say whatever you want about NHL commissioner Gary Beckman. You can say whatever you want about NFL commissioner Roger Goodell. I guarantee you, neither one of those commissioners, whatever say about the Lombardi trophy or the Stanley Cup, that's just a beat up copper, a shiny piece of silver. They would never say that. Well, the one thing. They would never say that. The one thing he's done now is made that trophy presentation after the World Series must watch. Because you imagine the reaction he's going to get when he hands that piece of metal to whoever wins the World Series. Yeah, especially with Justin Turner, what he had to say about it. Oh, that's unreal. Is anything you think going to come out? Is it significant to you, Trey, that LeBron chimed in? It is. By the way, the funniest line in the history of tweets, as far as I'm concerned, was in LeBron's response where he said, I don't play baseball, and then he added, but I am in sports. Hey, breaking news. Yeah, I know. I thought the same thing. And also, the idea that LeBron needs to qualify having a voice. Like, you know, LeBron, you're allowed to weigh in here, bud. Yeah, I'm just funny. I am in sports. It's going to go down as my favorite line in the history of Twitter, no matter what happens in the next 30 years. He is in sports. I knew I knew him from somewhere. See, but I like that. That's where I know him from. I like that. He's not so arrogant as to make you that you should know who he is. He's reintroducing himself, Trey. He's a big man. On a nightly basis, absolutely. He needs to work on his hashtag game, though. Can we agree on that? 100%. Yes, it was ridiculous. But I do think that there is the possibility that this is just everybody continues to throw an accelerant on an already raging bonfire, whether it's, you know, Nick Marquekis, who Dusty Baker tried to dismiss him by saying, well, he never says anything. Yes, Dusty, that's the point. Even he, Nick Marquekis, who never says anything, is saying, your players deserve a beating. I was yesterday many old, many days old when I learned what Mike Trout's voice sounded like. I know, exactly. I actually said something, you know? I mean, this is how egregious the players think it is. And I'm holding out hope on some level that there will be a sort of a recycling. Well, what can we do? Because I don't know what the constitution of baseball says and all this kind of stuff. Could we, I mean, the Champions League and soccer banned Manchester City for two seasons for illegalities in terms of financial fair play. I mean, can we ban them going forward? I mean, there needs to be, in my opinion, and I agree with what Joe said, and I don't think he really wanted to say it. It just came out that, you know, there is still no deterrent for players and all. Well, I mean, the easy, I think the easy fix here, the one thing that he has in his toolbox, though, Trey, take away 2017. So what if it's unprecedented? Make a precedent. Take it away. That's not that hard. They should not be allowed to fly that flag and they should not be allowed to call themselves world champions. I think that that would be a big deterrent. I agree, and I bring up Adam Silver in this because basically, we all know commissioners are not the grandfatherly Gandalfs of their sport, right? Oh, they're just for the betterment of everything. All commissioners are hired by the owners and fired by the owners. Well, what Donald Sterling did when he owned the clipper was so egregious that Adam Silver essentially fired one of his bosses in removing Donald Sterling. And he was gonna do whatever it took to make sure that happened. And all the other owners said, you know what? We agree. This has to happen and it has to happen now. Now you could have made the argument they knew what he was a long time ago and they could have done it then. But eventually, because it was so egregious and so offensive to so many people that Adam Silver did the most unprecedented thing. And if he could fire one of his owners, I think that Rob Manfred, in continuing to see the incredible backlash, which I don't think is slowing down any time soon, can take another unprecedented step to your words, I think. And so what if it doesn't work and there's a fight and he loses? At least he said, I'm drawing a line and I'm standing for something. And I think that's what people are missing. The one thing I don't like that's being suggested, I think our friend Buster only also suggested, you know, he might not have the power to take it with the championship. I think he does, but he says, you should put an asterisk. To me, that's hollow. Because already they have a mental asterisk. We all know that they cheated in 2017. But we're trying to assure that in the 22nd century, if there's still baseball and Joe Buck the 9th is doing the World Series, that the bottom line is that they're gonna know that there was no 2017 title. Yeah, I agree just like there was no 94 World Series. Right. And I do believe that they're still, I don't think this thing, and I may be way out on a limb here, but it just feels like this thing is not yet completely written in my opinion. I don't think anybody really knew how this was gonna play out until all the players showed up. I mean, the first guy who sort of alluded to this was Indian's pitcher, Mike Clevenger, who in the most Clevenger way did this interview while getting another tattoo at a tattoo parlor and talked about some of the things that everyone else has now been saying. And I'm telling you, and I mean, listen, nobody, I don't believe in retaliation by being hit by a pitch, you know? Especially if you're going heavily. That's not something that I think is a good idea. And I think trying to crack down on that is fine. But when Dusty Baker has to say to Major League Baseball, hey man, you better be protective of my players. And then if that's what happens in light of everything else that they got away with, I mean, that's just gonna make things even worse. It's just become such a twisted cycle of mess right now, but I think something else needs to happen. You know, I just thought about this a little while ago when Michael had brought up the 2018 Red Sox, we're still waiting for the discipline for that team and the investigation to be complete there. And I think it would be unfair if they get hit harder just because of the timing of it, right? I mean, they have to be fair about this, but at the same time, I was thinking about taking the title away, which I'm all for. But let's say they take the title away from the Astros in 2017. They do the investigation on the Red Sox, find out there was impropriety, but it's not as bad as what the Astros did. Can you then say we're gonna let the Red Sox keep the title in 2018 because it didn't cross this imaginary line of demarcation? I think that's where it kind of gets a little dicey, right? Like, how would it look if the Astros lose it? But then for some reason, because the Red Sox did less, they don't lose their title. Yeah, and that's interesting because I don't know to what extent they have the information that they had with the Astros. I mean, remember, AJ Hinch had to address it last postseason, you know, where they said, I'm glad you asked about this because this is all ridiculous, live. I mean, come on. And then, of course, all of it turned out to be true. Literally all of it turned out to be true. So I don't know what kind of information they have in terms of what the Red Sox, they believe they did or didn't do, but it was bad enough for the Red Sox themselves to understand that, yeah, there was a line that crossed, they got rid of a very successful manager, you know what I mean? And the other thing that people keep talking about is, oh, give me a break, everybody does it. You're right, everybody does it, but nobody does it the way at this point, at least, and potentially the Red Sox as well, the Astros took it to that level with technology when there was a specific memo that went out and said, you cannot do this or you will be held accountable. And the Astros basically said, I hold my beer. I keep hearing everybody does it, well, then prove it. You know, I'm not gonna sit here and besmirch everybody does it. That's why with the players speaking out the way they are. I mean, would they be speaking out to this extent if they were doing something that's even close to what the Astros are doing? I don't think so. They can't be that maniacal. I agree, and you know, the tipping pitches, that's one thing, and if you can pick up signs, that's fine. But to go through this elaborate system with the video replay and all the technology that, again, was specifically pointed in a memo from Major League Baseball that says, you cannot do this, and they went ahead and did it anyway, I think that's where the egregiousness lies in with so many people and so many players. Can I do something outrageous? Sure, sure. Can I mention something in pro sports not related to the Astros' cheating? Sure. What are your thoughts on Wilder Fury 2 this weekend? Are you excited? Are you making plans to do it? By the way, it's a huge company initiative. I'll let you go ahead. Yes. No, I'm really excited about that, because, I mean, boxing is fine, but we all want, I mean, it just shows you how things have changed, right? At one time, the three greatest sports titles you could have in America would be the world's fastest man, the heavyweight champ, and the home run king, right? For decades, those were the three things. We all love heavyweights. I mean, we all say we like fighting, we like boxing and all that kind of stuff, but it's always best when you have heavyweights go at it. And these two guys are not only heavyweights, they're punchers, you know what I mean? These guys are gonna be out there throwing haymakers. I think, well, is Wilder the only, is Fury the only guy that Wilder has not knocked out in a win? Is that, whether by KO or TKO, I think that's correct, right? That could be correct. I didn't know if he'd had a knockout or TKO in every single fight. George Foreman is picking Fury to win. Yeah, you know, it's interesting. He said if he's not knocked out in the first four rounds, he says he's gotta stay away with his length. He said if he's knocked out in the first four rounds, he will win on points. Yeah, it's, to me, I'm very excited about this because this is what you live for. You mean, Deontay Wilder has said, you know, he had some really aggressive goals in his boxing career, extremely violent ones. And Fury is a guy who's had his own sort of personal blemishes and hiccups along the way, but he's sort of been a retribution and sort of a rebuilding case. And, you know, he made a really interesting point with Max Kalman the other day. He's like, look, the last time I played him, I had come in, or fought him, I'd be coming off with two and a half years hiatus and I only had six months of training going into that fight and it ended up being a draw. And this time I've won through two years of constant training and five fights. I'm the best Tyson Fury I've ever been right now and no one has ever accused either one of these guys of being an artistic boxer. They are there to throw the big punches and that's the draw of heavyweights in general. We want to see the hammer throw. Well, and I'll say this, I think Fury is an artist and it's a different unique thing than we've ever seen before. When I first saw him against Klitschko years ago, I really did not think he was special. And as the years have gone on, his ability to be a defensive fighter is truly impressive. And frankly all I really want, I just hope for the sake of boxing that Saturday night feels like a moment. We finally feel like everyone's dialed in. Like the people we know in sports who are fans are paying attention and frankly, if it's not gonna happen with these two heavyweights on a joint pay-per-view between Fox and ESPN, then when is it going to happen? That's a great point. I mean like the last big fight in terms of that captivated our attention from a boxing perspective was an MMA guy against a defensive fighter. Exactly, it was a joke. You know what I mean? Yeah, it was a joke. The guy who thought that Conor McGregor had a chance was absolutely kidding himself. He was gonna, I mean Floyd May that was gonna move, lose for the first time as a professional against a guy who's not actually a professional boxer, that was never going to happen. It was never going to happen. Before we let you go, I made this point yesterday. I think the guys agree with me as well. We spoke to Ernie Corsi at the Eli Manning retirement event. And of course he said that John Elway would have played for the Colts if they didn't trade him. He said, and Eli would have played for the Chargers if they didn't trade him. So I don't know if Joe Burrow is gonna say, I don't wanna play for the Bengals, but there's no way if I'm the Bengals. And I think that this is the guy that I would ever trade him. Either you play for us or you don't ever play. Your thoughts? I don't know where Joe Burrow stands on this. Right. But I think Joe Burrow is being smart. The words that he used that sort of got this thing going was an interview with the Fort Worth Star Telegram. And I don't know what the question was. I just saw the answer from him, which was I do have leverage and so do the Bengals. They have their profits. But he doesn't have leverage. Well, he does. Well, all right, I don't wanna ever play again. That's his leverage. Is that what he wants? Right. No, but I think he wants to use the threat of that much in the same way Elway and Eli did it. And Ernie can say that, hey, he would have played. That's fine. But if they really felt that way, they probably would have kept both of those things and not tried to make the move and deal with that. He said he told the Colts owners, don't not trade this guy. He's not a good baseball player. That's his only leverage. He'll never play for the Yankees. And they traded him out from under him. And he said, I know for a fact that Eli would have played for the Chargers. He put the hat on. Right, but Kelly Stauffer is the test case right here. He, I can't remember what year it was, 83, maybe 84, that he basically set that out of year and went back into the draft for the second year. So it's not like you would never play again. It's just you'd have to wait another year before you could play. But then the Bengals would still get the number one pick. They don't lose the pick, right? Well, I believe that's how it works. I'm not sure about that because it depends on, then it would depend on next year's record. You know what I mean? I think they get awarded that pick if they don't sign their selection. I believe. I'll have to check it out. I'll have to check that out. I'm not sure, but that was certainly not the case for Kelly Stauffer when that happened because I believe it was a different team that drafted him. I'd have to go back and check, but he really did set out the year. I mean, that's really taking a stand for you. I mean, essentially his hometown team, I know they're not good, but they're not as bad as some teams that have thought of as good teams. I mean, they haven't made the playoffs four times in eight years, right? Right. Yes, they have. My thing with the Bengals and, you know, some people said, oh, you know, Bengal fans should be pissed. No, man, Bengal fans should be pissed at the Bengals. They shouldn't be pissed at Joe Borough. They should be pissed at the franchise for making people think this way. To me, that's where the anger should lie. Well, we're so glad that you're back on the mainland and talking to us again. It's good to hear your voice again. I was, if you guys had dialed me up on Hawaiian time, I would have been happy to talk with you. But that's not right. You're enjoying yourself. You're lathering up with, you know, all kind of exotic oils. You don't need to be on the phone. And we don't even know who the wild time is. I think it's essential oils. It's five hours. Essential oils are always important. Do you have an unbelievable tan right now? Yeah, I have a healthy glow. Oh, that's great. Look at you. But say we do want to do it when I was enjoying myself. That gives the impression that I don't enjoy our conversations, which I enjoy them very much. But not as much as essential oils. No, but put essential oils together on a beach with our time together, then we've really got something. You know, that is special. You know, next time you're in Hawaii, give us a buzz. That's how Jose Altuve says. Hey-oh! Hey! Too soon? Too soon? Not enough information. All right. Trey, welcome back. Thanks. That's a problem. Thanks, guys.