 George Bruno with the 21 convention patriarch edition version of the 21 report. We're talking to Texas Dom How to go there on stage today. That was fun. I enjoyed the heck out of it. Excellent. So this is your second time on stage It is I've had I've enjoyed my 21 con experience I mean this has been a lot of fun the first time and now to this week has been good, too You are such a revered member of the team now. It's almost like it's it's as if you've been here 10 years Thank you. I think I'm the oldest member of the team. Yeah, so I don't know I'm having fun with it The guys this morning you and a couple other guys brought everybody up and I and I brought them down I crashed them down and told them all all the things that they'd be ready for that might that might go wrong I'm cold our truth cold our truth, but if you know what to look for You got a chance of correcting it before you're not caught off guard, right? Yeah. Yeah, absolutely Your material at Texas Dom.com Last I don't want to talk about your speech Let's talk about other things sure. I know there's other things that you can talk about. Let's let's chat about that Yeah, I I think my last year's speech in October was On dominance and submission, which is kind of what I write on so if you go to Texas Dom.com You're gonna you're gonna see a lot of articles on just general masculine subjects things that you would see in any red pill Type forum, but there's also a lot of articles that are talking about Submission of your girl and and you know how to lead that DS lifestyle And I know a lot of people think oh, it's 50 shades of gray It's all that crazy kinky crap this that and the other it's not okay It can be right somebody really wants to go down that road. Yeah, they can have all the fun They want sure but at the at the core of it It is a strengthened tightened relationship between two committed people and so It's the way that we basically saved our marriage five years ago We were headed for divorce and now we're still together. We're strong and things are going well But the principle of this whole thing is that I lead and she follows yeah and for too many years the king had abdicated the throne I mean I just wasn't leading properly and You know a good woman is going to see that her family is important And she's going to see that her husband's not leading and she's going to be forced to take up the reins Yeah, and she's going to resent the living heck out of you. Yeah because of it And so I think that's where a lot of divorces happen I think that's where a lot of it comes to play so us correcting it and I give her all the credit She she discovered she was doing some soul searching on the internet and trying to look up things and figure out Why she is the way she is why she was unhappy and she came to the conclusion She stumbled on a Christian women's submissive women's site and decided that she fit the criteria She's like wow, I really don't want to make all the decisions I want to stay home and plant flowers and bake cookies and make sure that the house is nice You know, why am I working and why am I doing all these things that I never really wanted to do that much and you know It's uh, it's been quite the The change of direction for us But it gives us the tools that we can use to correct situations instead of letting things faster. We talk a lot now. I mean We're ambling here, but in the in the dom sub world, you know, it's got three basic foundations maybe four communication is key and you got to have a lot of trust and You know men want to be respected and women want to be loved and you got to understand how these Interplay with each other and so when you start communicating your needs back and forth to each other You're not trying to read minds anymore because that's a no one can do it, right? We think well if she loved me She'd be doing that right right, but she doesn't know that she doesn't know what you're thinking And so we check in with each other a couple times a week We don't talk about the kids don't talk about the grandkids when I work the dog house. We talk about us How are we doing? What's going on and I'll ask her questions and then I shut up and listen because she's got all my answers If I can just pull them out of her and those discussions are literally Free-flowing and we can say anything to each other. Yeah, there's no there's no consequences Yeah, and so we tell each other the truth now Oddly enough two married people telling each other the truth. Isn't that something? Go figure. Yeah So that's that's the basis of what of what we do what I write about and so yeah the the kinky stuff and the That's icing on the cake the great second. I'm telling you it is great sex. It doesn't have to be All the crazy stuff that everybody saw in 50 shades because that was out there That was not the way this really is right or it can be but it's not the way it is the idea was for us is to be able to Women want to be dominated in bed. I thoroughly believe that they want to be ravished. They want to be made to feel beautiful they want to be wanted and so you know we we laugh about it, but Man who takes control in the bedroom and has his way usually leaves a very happy Woman in a big puddle of mess just waiting to yeah, you can't even get out of bed. Yeah kind of thing Right and so that's the basis for any good any good marriage is gonna be great sex If you're not having great sex chances are the marriage is not gonna last and so these give us the tools and the fun and that kind of thing and we just Go off in our direction So it keeps romance going. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah We're always doing something usually by by the time people are in their 50s And in their golden years, I don't know if 50s are considered golden years It's at least the beginning of the golden years That things start to get stale and boring so maybe this Epiphany came at the right time for you guys We were headed for divorce. Is that right? Absolutely Because I I would already got on my path of self-improvement. I was already getting in shape losing weight Yeah, I knew I was gonna be out of here Yeah, and you know, what's the old line? You're looking in the mirror and say what I screw that Yeah, right, right and you know probably not so you start correcting your stuff And then all of a sudden the dread kicks in on her. Yeah, it's classic red pill 101, right? You start taking care of your life She starts to try to keep up and and even though it's a little fighting and bickering as that was going on Once she figured out how she could be happy She asked me will you do this and I'm like, oh heck, yeah I didn't even know what I was agreeing to But the more I studied it the more I realized that's who I always have been I've always been that guy I just didn't realize how important it was for her to feel that To her to feel that I was in control of the situation, you know, can you recognize in other couples? How you were at one time. Can you see other men that are can you see marriages that are on the verge of? Crumbling and you think you might have an answer for them Yes, and how do you approach somebody on that right, you know you Yeah, see you're struggling here. Read this, you know, and we we do that with rational mail the book, right? We we give that to men that are in in crisis mode a lot of times I I hope at some point. Well, I don't hope I will have a book on DS lifestyle here hopefully by October for the next 21 Yeah, and that's going to be a book that I'm going to be able to hopefully give some people that are receptive to it But it's like anything else until you're ready to make a change until you want things to get better You're not going to do anything. Would that be considered like a beginner's guide? Absolutely, okay Yeah, because I have a lot of men come up to me from the speech that I gave which was heavy on the DS back in October Yeah, and they asked asked me a lot of questions I get a lot of emails and it's like how do I introduce this to my wife and how do I do this and how do I do that and When they come to understand that what they're going to get out of it It's this unbelievably strong tight relationship and then because initially all they're thinking is a crazy sex Oh, yeah, I want to have all the sex all the time because this was guys crave There that's what they're not getting and you can spot those guys, right? They're out with the family there at the Target store or the parking lot or whatever and you just look at the dad You know, he's not getting late. Yeah, you haven't gotten late in weeks, right? You know, he could just just written all over his face, you know So once the wife realizes that she's got to respect her husband If even if initially she doesn't think he deserves it and the husband's got to realize He's got to love his wife even if he thinks she doesn't deserve it And you get this positive upward spiral going when both people were kind of give her the other one what they need And then all of a sudden the wife realizes that the sex is pretty good for her too She's getting a lot out of this. So it's always the question is is like, yeah, the guy's getting all this great sex What's the girl get? Well, she's getting pretty great sex too, but but they're both that's just the icing on the cake They're both getting this this deep connection that didn't exist prior and it's the connection Which is what makes it all worthwhile What is the time frame as far as how fast do you think? Can the adoption of this lifestyle or philosophy how long would it take to? Start to see hope in a relationship. It depends on if both people are embracing it or not Within a couple of weeks if both people want it Yeah, right if they'll if they'll practice The basic concepts and they'll start talking more and telling each other what they need You know one of the funniest things you can do as a new couple is they have these things that Again, I'm gonna back up. I have step a lot of people look at this as being just kinky sex That's how they first but but everybody likes sex, right? And so maybe there were some things that they were thinking about years ago But they were too scared to talk to their their man about her vice versa And so all of a sudden you they have these things on the internet You can download called a BDSM Limits list a checklist of all these different things, right of that these terms that we don't know three-quarters of them Right, so you're good. You're doing this turn you're going. Holy crap. What? Yeah, that's not it That's not me. She can now it's not me. Okay X, you know, how about this term? Does that sound like something? She's like, I'm kind of interested in that maybe, you know, I'm too. Let's see if we're like that And so you go through this list together and you laugh and you Google all this stuff and you crack up And what you're doing is your but it's not a contract No, no, no. Well, it's just kind of a and people have contracts. Okay, right? So, um, no, it's I personally believe I'm married Sorry, I hit the mic. I personally believe I've been married for 30 years. I have a contract. It was a marriage license Yeah, right. I don't really need a contract with her Other people like to have the formality of a contract and a whole bunch of rules and they get into it But there but you know what? There's no one way to do this. That's the beauty of it So if if Sam and Mary over here decide that they want to do it this way Yeah, God bless them if they're happy and it's working for them, right? And then on the flip side of that this is going to the viewers of this are probably going to be a Paul Maybe I don't know sometimes. It's the other way around sometimes. It's the woman. Who's the Dom A? She's the one in charge and the and the husband is a submissive and that seems rather odd to me I'm accepting of it because that's how those two people choose to live who am I to tell them, right? That's wrong. That's how they choose to live, right? So it doesn't float my boat But it's a it's an exciting dynamic to change if they both want it Sometimes the issue is only one of them want it and the other one really doesn't but he plays like the woman thinks she wants it She's read all this Fantasy literature and stuff. Oh, this sounds great and the husband's thinking I'm gonna get blowjobs all the time This is great, right? But then he doesn't do all the other things he's got to do he doesn't fulfill his Responsibilities in this role. He doesn't he doesn't lead, right? And now she's frustrated because now she's doing nothing but giving a lot of blowjobs and she's not getting her needs met in return, right? You know, I There's nothing wrong with having a good LTR or a good marriage and Taking care of your wife. I mean men listen to me. There's nothing wrong with that I mean a lot of guys in red pill to think you know screw her I'm going to the gym and I'm doing this and I'm doing that But if you want your marriage to work, you know, you got to find that sweet spot We were talking about this morning. You can't just be way out here on the pendulum and you were way over here previously You got to still take care of your girl I mean she should be your most prized possession and people just recoil How can your girl be your possession? My girl says she's my possession. She said I want to belong to Sir Tex You know, that's who I want to be with. You know, he's he's my some day. She'll even play slave He's my master or something like that. You know, but we spice it up We keep it we keep it fresh and I know some younger guys out there going I got the old guy 57 talking about crazy sex and all that. Why not? I'm telling you when you guys get to be 57 I hope you're still having crazy sex because Why not right, you know, you don't quit wanting it and maybe your wife does but if you can present it properly You know, maybe she'll get reignited as well. Yeah, so why give up, right? What about single guys now? Is that a um, is that something a single guy could adopt? And find a single woman who has a similar philosophy. Yeah, there are some hookup sites that are geared towards this but a single man who would adopt a dominant position in his own life and That includes in the bedroom is going to have a lot happier bed partners at the end of the day You know, you realize that women are going to break, you know, you can you can pound them hard I say pound them hard I don't mean like physically with a fist or anything But yeah, you know and the three key words and all this has always been safe saying and consensual And those three words have to be there. I mean you have to have talked about what you're going to do Yeah, you're gonna try something crazy one night. Hey, by the way, I'm thinking about this What do you think? You know, let's let's talk about this a little bit before we get in there and freak her out But but for a single man and I've had talks with some guys here that have Implemented some of the things I talked about in October and they're like man It's sex has been mind-boggling good because all of a sudden the woman is there and she is the object of his desire and She's she's like the play-doh thing. She's she's being formed in all kind of positions He's telling her what to do He's demanding that she does this and that and the other and she's submitting and she's she's making him happy And she's getting hers too, right? And so the single guys can definitely pick up on this Can women talk talk to other women about this? Yes My wife has been part of submissive women chat groups. I mean, you know, you know the internet, right? There's a there's a listserv or a chat group for everybody Everything right and so she has a lot of friends that are submissive and I remember the years ago I told her hey, I bought a flogger She was like, oh my god, what about a flogger, you know leather ends, you know, it's not a cat of nine tails It's just a heavy heavy thud flogger, you know, and she freaked. She's like you I'm not gonna do that I'm not gonna do that. So she got online and started talking with a couple of her girlfriends. They were like, oh No, you need to try that. You need to let him out. You just keep an open mind now. It's her favorite toy Right. Yeah Again, you talk about these things you have support. Yeah, but the girls they love to talk about it Trust me. They are all over it and the three things you said safe sane and consensual consensual Explain each one of those things. Well, some people would For instance, oh, okay, I want to tire up and I want to put a rope around our neck. That's not safe Right, there's way other ways to pin her down or do whatever that are that are safe that you're not gonna have to worry About asphyxiating someone right killing them for God's sake Sane, I mean, you know, you don't want to go too crazy, you know, you know, okay I'm gonna I don't know. I'm not gonna go there But that there you could there are some crazy people out there really crazy And then the consensual thing in the era of me too and everything else that's going on right now You know, you better be in consensual relationship Yeah I've even had couples that have created a videotape together and put in a safe time and date stamped it somehow Put in a safety deposit box because they were afraid that maybe the wife goes in for a medical exam The doctor sees some bruises on her or something and then calls the authorities Because some women like to be bruised or masochists. They like to feel the pain right and that's just their kink Yeah, and so that's the thing I've come to learn is like I don't judge anybody's kink I don't care right what works for me works for me give a crap what two people do behind the bed Right, you know, I I don't care if they're gay. I don't care for anything. It's just It doesn't concern me But there are legal there are people out there that would say what we do is abuse And how do you protect yourself from that? you know Well, isn't that what consensual is consensual kind of prevents the accusation of abuse right, but Yes, the victim no one's a victim and then I've seen people at dungeons where the singles are in there And they they negotiate their placing what they're gonna do, you know, and that's consensual and there's what you said You've seen people where in a dungeon. What's a dungeon exactly what it sounds like There are dungeons. There's a dungeon here in Orlando. That's actually one of the top ones in the world There's one in Houston that we've been to Lana's got a top notch one Dallas has got one people go in there and play their st. Andrews crosses in there and spanking Benches and you name it. It's a bunch of kinky crazy sons of guns going in there And you will absolutely see things you did not want to see and So there's usually a room somewhere. I had no idea. Yeah. No, it's out there It's out there. All right, so two singles could actually hook up at one of these things and play. Yeah, right? And there's no penetration. There's no Genitalia being touched. It has to be proper, right? But it's still it's their version of play right and that may be how they meet how they hook up But that has to be consensual. There's even dungeon monitors that walk around and make sure that everybody's playing safe And not especially not someone's not getting a blowjob or something, right? This is there's got to be a documentary about this Maybe that's the next Bruno man of the street type thing. We'll go at this place before we leave town That's funny Wow, all right, my eyes have just been opened. Yeah, okay. I thought I heard everything. He's never gonna interview me ever again We're done Mr. Producer it's in the dark, but I can see him blushing over there Yeah, you know what it's just it's just good wholesome fun It's around like-minded people my girl said she really says it best We've got some couples that are also That that our DS as well. Yeah, she says nothing's more fun than to have just even just a dinner party And we're not talking about nakedness. We're not talking about swapping. We don't do any of that stuff, right? But for her to be able to come sit in my lap and reach down maybe and rub my crotch or something in front of it Just in a group setting. We're all we're all kind of in that same similar lifestyle, but we don't swap We don't do any of that kind of stuff, right? And so she finds and I find those kind of friends and You know, we just that's the people that we like to hang out with sometimes, you know And they make it nice, you know dinner party with the you know The girls will sometimes do this whole slave thing where they dress up in the in the what do you call them? The Toga type things whether the Roman type stuff and they're serving their men. Yeah, they come around to serve us You know and that kind so it's it's all about making it fun, right? Yeah Life is boring if you don't do something to make it not boring, right? So it's just all kind of good stuff Very interesting again. My eyes are open. I learned something today. That's right. Um, and I stumbled into it Any age? Why are they I mean I mean are there Much younger people there much older people. I in fact, I think most of them are younger. Is that right? Most are more younger Okay, we're definitely Up there at the upper end of the bracket on the age group for sure. Okay, but it's just like I said It's I we stumbled into it But the funny part was is that we never really communicated our sexual desires to each other things that I wanted to do She's gonna think that's pretty fucking weird Yeah, you know and that kind of thing and she had some of the same things But we look back about it from the day that we first got together I mean she was she was sometimes called me daddy in bed and things like that. I always thought that was kind of weird I'm not her daddy. You know what's that all about? But yeah, that's part of her She has a lot of little girl in her personality And so you look back now over the years and like we could have been doing this 20 years ago Right if I had just read the signs she was putting the hints out there, right? And I was too stupid to pick up on them. Wow. Yeah so you feel that this kind of Is the word save too strong of a word or is that an accurate word it saved your marriage No, this this lifestyle saved our marriage because it gave us tools to use to fix our marriage We both wanted it and that's the key We both had to want it badly Yeah, and in fact when she first hit me with this bomb that she thought she was a submissive in this And the other we actually I was dropping her off at the airport to go see the grandkids for a couple of weeks So we had like two weeks apart where she was googling and researching and I was researching and doing my stuff Because I just agreed to it without even knowing what I was agreeing to absolutely. Yeah, yeah, right? So it gave us time to research and we got back together and you know, there's always ebbs and flows There's always good times There's always going to be some stumbles a step back that kind of thing in any relationship, but we're no different But now we course correct so much quicker and we communicate Crazy good like we didn't do it before what if there's someone out there watching this and they They're at that place where the marriage and relationship is troubled and they want to go there They need something it's do or die. It's If something doesn't happen, it's going to be over. How would you counsel them? I've answered this question a few times I think if you if you sit down with your girl first of all if if a man is at that point His woman is at that point too. She knows she's not stupid So, you know some of the ways you can kind of bring this thing up as you can talk about how her grandparents lived You start the conversation talking about how things were maybe back in the 50s. I'm not talking Tradcon I'm just talking Grandpa was in charge Grandma made eggs and bacon every morning and took care of the house and maybe maybe work maybe didn't work but the the idea was you start saying that's a lifestyle after you've explored it and you and you've You've gone back and you have these happy thoughts about how your grandparents and your great grandparents Live in the old house on the farmhouse and all this right and so everybody's in this good mood feeling those good chemicals And you say, you know, there are people that live like that today You know and then those people are living a similar how they might call it head of household They might call it a 50s lifestyle But you know the husband's in charge and the woman just basically Gets pampered and spoiled and you present it that way because submissive women are needy I'm telling you they want your time and they want your attention because they're going to give back And so, you know, you realize that you can you say, let's just give it an experiment I'm going to make the decisions. Yeah, and you're going to do these things around the house I think a big stumbling point right now is if so many women have to work Yeah, I have to work they choose to work Yeah, or the feminist imperative to put in their heads that if they don't work, they're not a real woman You know, they're not if they want to stay home. I mean gosh forbid stay home moms get crucified by their female friends at work and so a Lot of these submissive women have figured out that hey, I'm going to be a stay-home mom now And I'm going to take care of the king's castle and wait for the king to come home And some people have taken the income hit on purpose They've downsized went to a less expensive house Yeah, because they wanted to try something a little simpler because what they're doing now isn't working Yeah, and we'll see old adage. You keep doing the same things over and over again expecting different results It's just insanity, right? So There are ways to approach it. I've had other people say they went and rented Apple TV rented the 50 shades of gray and watched it together and started talking about some of the stuff And yeah, and that's how they sparked it talking about it You know Previously when I we were before we got in our DS I was reading 50 shades of gray on my iPad in bed one night We were still kind of button heads still and she's like, what are you reading? I'm like I'm reading 50 shades of gray She's are you reading that trash? And I'm like, well Millions of women are rubbing off reading this reading this book every night. I want to know why Yeah, and it's like the fastest-selling paperback book of all time. Yeah, right So I wanted to know why plus I also thought I'm about to be single I want to know all these women are seeing in this thing. There's something going on here, right? And then you know that she claims she doesn't remember telling me that right, but true story and Now she completely understands and that's the thing once people get in this lifestyle They all laugh about 50 shades of gray because as as a first of all, it's just a terrible written book and all this stuff. It's just chick-porn is all it is and The people that are in the lifestyle look at it like it's a joke because it was the guy was so screwed up in the movie Yeah, you know, it's it's It's not the way it really is Yeah But sometimes it's just that that spark and gets a sexual chemistry going between two people talking about it and next thing You know, they're in bed together And that's another way for a man to be able to bring this up with his girl and quite often I did a little informal survey with a group I belong to a DOM subgroup that we were part of and I think about 70% of the women bring it to their men Think about that. They've read they've thought about it. Why am I not, you know, why am I not to read this book? Oh, why am I not getting this good six? Why doesn't my husband have a helicopter in a penthouse and you know, there's so that's not realistic But there's other things he can do he can start being a leader again and that type of thing and Submissive women expect their man to be a leader and we all talk about this at every 21 count We have to lead our families. We have to lead our women. We have to lead our communities so I think the the whole dominant submissive lifestyle truly Dovetails nicely into red pill awareness I've talked to Rola about this extensively And the thing is is that when you're a DOM we talk about holding frame in red pill You you maintain your frame no matter what's going on with your girl or anybody else around you The trick here is this is the ultimate frame being a dominant in a relationship But the key is your girl is expecting you to hold frame. She's demanding that you hold frame, right? And in most marriage red pill, you know aware marriages the girl may not even know about what frame is But but and they're just wondering what's going on with her husband The submissive expects her man to be in control And they're not happy if he's not if he starts backsliding they get very unhappy Because all of a sudden they're not getting their needs met anymore There's a whole lot more than sex sex is amazing cherry on top. There's a whole lot more underneath all of that so And that's why i'm writing the book No topic is off limits here on the 21 report for some of you This is a first time hearing this as it was for me as well. This is the first time I've ever had a conversation like this If you want to know more Contact. Yeah, uh texas dom.com. I also have I mean I answer emails. I'm on twitter at texas dom one at texas dom one Some some bastard got at texas dom and he's not doing anything with it. So I never could get that So, uh, yeah, look me up on twitter 21 studios. You're seeing this video. So, you know how to get a hold of me probably So and I answer emails I I I've not gotten to the point where i'm getting so many emails that I can't answer them So i'm still answering every email that comes through as you've got questions. Just give me a call Excellent. Thank you so much. Thank you, George. I enjoyed it. Absolutely