 Hey everybody, today we're debating immigration and we are starting right now with Brittany's opening statement. Thanks so much for being with us, Brittany. The floor is all yours. All right. Well, and thank you for having me back James. It's going to be fun. And thanks for doing this, Dario. All right. So I wrote something pretty brief, but I will read it. So I said, so I've discussed this topic quite a bit over the past few months and I've yet to hear a good argument on why we need to bring in more people or why diversity is somehow a good thing for us, other than food and music, of course. Basically, my stance is that this multiracial experiment has not worked. There is just too much in fighting. We can't get anything done. And I worry that with the history we are teaching our kids and the anger that is rising against white people, we are headed towards some sort of racial revenge. And that's just not something I would like to chance. I also don't think it makes you a white supremacist to look out for your own self-interest. Nearly every single other racial group seems to be allowed to do that, except white people. But when whites do it, they lose their jobs, get purged off the internet, or ostracized for even discussing this. So how are you able to even fight against a possible racial revenge when you can't even have a discussion about those concerns? I'm not someone who is looking for an ethno-state or anything extreme. It's just not realistic. And I do understand that. But my goal is to keep America a white majority nation. So I just want to slow down the rate at which white people become a minority, wake people up to the fact that pushing this anti-white propaganda will eventually backfire and try to come up with some realistic solutions on how we can coexist with the people we currently have living here. We have enough problems here in America. The last thing we need to bring in is other people's problems as well. So I imagine my opponent will try to study, bro, me, and I'm going to stop you right there. If you have any studies you want me to read, send them to me after the debate, and we can always follow up, and I can do the same. I'm not going to sit here and during a live debate and try to read studies. It's not good content for any of us. But I am open to reading any of the things you do have to offer and discussing those at a later date. Other than that, let's discuss. Thank you very much for that opening statement, Brittany. And I want to let you know, folks, if it's your first time here at Modern Aid Debate, we are a neutral platform hosting debates on science, religion, and politics. We hope you feel welcome no matter what walk of life you are from. With that, Dario, thanks for being with us. The floor is all yours for your opening as well. Thank you so much, James. You know, you should have let me start, Britt, because I think I could have saved you some time. Because actually, I haven't brought any single study to this. I didn't even look anything up, and I'm not prepared to do any studies at you at all. I just want to preface this by saying that my objective for this debate isn't to present the best possible argument pro-immigration with studies and facts and stuff. Because I think many people have already done that. And obviously, that's not convincing. What I want to do is I want to sort of try and hear your feelings, like how do you feel about each things? And I want to try and address that the best that I can. And I'm not going to try and make you like in super open borders, like we should bring in every single person in the world into the US. I don't think that's probably where you're going to go. But I do want to try to make you at least a bit more receptive to like pro-immigration arguments by hopefully addressing some of your concerns. So just for clarity, my stance is that I think immigration in general is amazing for the world and for all countries and especially the United States. And it helps them grow economically and it makes everybody happier. The people living there already, the immigrants is just a good deal for everybody. And I think just like morally, from a moral perspective, I think you should be able to live and prosper in the areas that best suit you as much as possible. And yeah, that's it. You got it. Thank you very much for that opening as well, Dario. Well, I'll let you know, folks, we have many more juicy debates coming up. So if you haven't yet, hit that subscribe button so you don't miss any of them. And I want to let you know our guests are linked in the description as well as if you happen to have a question, feel free to fire it into the old live chat tagging me with at modern day debate. And we'll read those questions during the Q&A at the end. Thanks so much, Brittany and Dario. The floor is all yours. Yeah, so who exactly is open borders good for, by the way? Everybody, I would argue, but I'm not here to argue for open borders. I mean, if you want to, we can get to that. Like what I really wanted to hear is specifically because in your opening statement, you did bring up like a ton of points. I think I think I have like five or six points written down with like some broad concerns. Maybe we can go step by step for those or we can get more into detail with like any one of them. So specifically like what's, I guess, what's your main concern about immigration? Like what do you think would happen with like more immigrants in the country? Well, my main concern is based, I mean, I don't know if you know much about me, but I used to be for open borders. I didn't have a problem with that at all. I was very left-wing, so I've been down that road. Left-wing host, yeah. Yes, the left-wing host. So yeah, I think my main concern is basically I don't want to see white people become a minority in America. And with the kind of immigration we have and Wait, can I cut you off? Can we just discuss that? So why don't you want to see white people become like a minority? What's the issue there? The issue is I don't want to see any kind of racial revenge. Sure. Why do you think that there's going to be a racial revenge, I guess? Because pretty much you can point to like any of the other times in history where that has happened. There was like point to South Africa, which there is definitely a racial revenge right and it's not that I know they white people were never the majority, but black people had a racial grievance against white people and they are taking it out now and things that are happening to the white South African farmers is pretty scary stuff. And I think that like when you start to lose any kind of like control or power or any of that, these are chances I'm not really willing to take or I don't think we should have to take. I mean they're not, I don't think that the benefits of bringing in immigrants outweigh what could happen as a result of that. Sure. So I'm not like I'm not an expert on South Africa and like I'm not trying to discuss like South Africa in general. I'm talking about the United States and I think in the United States, I think it has a very low chance like I would say pretty much zero of becoming anywhere near South Africa. Like for a number of reasons, most of them like economic reasons as well, like there's just much more prosperous nations like everybody thrives more in the United States compared to South Africa, most likely, right? So I think that a lot of your concerns can simply be solved by saying America is not the South Africa, right? And like I don't, like I just, I guess I don't see why minorities as a whole like would come together and be like now we're 55%, like every single non-white person, whatever you would consider would come together and say now we're going to shit on literally every single white person for being white, right? I don't see that happening. Like why would you, why do you think that would like everybody would come together? It's already happening though. I mean the only racial group that you can target and get away with it in its mainstream is white people. It's acceptable. People, a lot of the sentiment is okay well you have it coming type of thing. So to act like that when we are still the majority and act like when we begin to lose that, that it's just not going to happen is, I don't know, it just seems a little bit of fairytale. Okay, sure. So we might agree or disagree in terms of like how much you can target white people. I will say I think it is more acceptable. I can especially in progressive spaces like very leftist spaces sometimes that people shit on white people like they would say oh I hate all white women, right? And then they will make an argument that could basically be applied to like any women, right? And the only way that it's acceptable is because they put white in front of it, right? So I understand that argument for sure. But I don't think like if you look at like the average person like living in the US like their experience, I don't think the average white person has like an experience of being attacked in like just like normal like day-to-day life like maybe online and like to prepare as a space. And I understand you inhabit those spaces, right? But I don't think that's representative of like the experience of the average white person. Well I don't know if that's necessarily true and yeah maybe it's not to the extreme that I'm saying that it could probably get to. I have seen and I should have showed you this video. I actually had this in my Twitch chat. If you do like Explanation Point Little Timmy, it's a you'll get a link to a video with a compilation of all the a lot of like some really scary stuff of anti-white stuff. Generally I'm not one for clicking on links about somebody called Little Timmy. That sounds weird. Hey, why don't you talk about Little Timmy like that? Because I watched some of your debate with JF and then because you had like two debates on immigration and with somebody else and most of the JF debate I feel like didn't really get into immigration. It was more like you're not a libertarian. No, you're not a libertarian. So I didn't really get to hear a lot of your argument. But there was a name that you used on when you were kind of pushing some of your arguments. What was the name? And I've heard you used it twice too because I saw it in the other debate too. Honestly, I don't remember. It was like you probably if you watched it, you probably know it better than me because it was like more than two years ago. I remember there was a name. I said I was going to be like Little Timmy versus whatever name you use. But yeah, no, I think that if you look at some of the things that are already happening, again, we're still the majority to act like when we begin to lose power. And if people are so adamant on, you know, just not being very sympathetic towards white people, it's not a crazy like it's not a crazy fear to have that this is going to happen. And especially the two times in history that something like this has happened kind of point to, okay, this is not this kind of the road we're going towards. Okay, but you do understand that like, even if white people become a minority, right, let's say white people become like 45%, like that doesn't mean that there's going to be one other group, which is the majority, right? Like that's that's not going to happen in the US, right? So why do you think like every single other group is going to come together in unison and be like, fuck white people? Because that's not happening right now. I mean, people have diversity of thought across like all kinds of races and like, like nothing is like inherent, like, like there are black conservatives, there are Hispanic conservatives, like, like, like every single kind of person can be a conservative or Republican, like there are gay conservatives, like all these kinds of people, right? So it's like, why would they suddenly come together and be like, no, actually, yeah, fuck white people, like, I don't know. I think that the propaganda is so extreme that even white people hate white people at this point, there's that white guilt that you see it. I used to have the white guilt. But if that is the case, then your issue would also be with white people. Yeah, because I don't think that they're recognizing what's happening. I like, I didn't recognize what was happening at all. And that's why I'm more so here to try to kind of wake white people up. Because if there is some kind of racial revenge, they're not going to know who the good white person or the bad white person is, they're going to see somebody who is white, and they're going to take out their anger on that person. So when white people are pushing this, thinking that they are going to get pats on the head about how good of a white person you are, I don't think that they recognize that if this is to happen and we're bringing in all these different groups of people and we're teaching them basically how bad whitey is, what exactly are you expecting to happen? That's the only type of group that you're teaching has done so many horrible things and bringing in these people that have been victimized by it. So I'm curious, do you think that in general in general people just want to attack and hate other people from like different races? Or do you think that there needs to be some conditions which spur that on? Do you think that inherently, like people of like, I guess, non-white people, do you think inherently that they just want to attack white people? Or do you think that there needs to be some stuff which spur that on, like there needs to be some conditions? Well, I do think it's happening. I think, again, it might not seem like that. Well, no, I'm not asking if it's happening. I'm asking you, do you think it's like an inherent thing, like just races of people can coexist or do you think that there needs to be some ignition there to triggers animosity? I think bringing in a lot of different groups and expecting them to be able to coexist hasn't really worked out in general. I think you're asking a lot. How can you say so? So the United States in general, I would say, is probably one of the most diverse countries in the world. But it's also the richest and most prosperous country. It constantly breaks records in terms of innovation, like all kinds of fantastic things happen in a country that is the most diverse. So if your argument were to hold water, we would say, well, the countries who would be doing the most amazing things in the world would be maybe like Denmark, where I'm from. But that doesn't happen. We don't make the biggest innovations. We just have general economic sharing, sharing the wealth between all of the population. But it's not like the big innovations or the most fantastic things are coming out of Denmark, like they're coming out of the United States. Yeah, okay. But I mean, you could say that, I guess. But the happiest countries in the world tend to be more homogenous countries and tend to be more white. But do you think it's because they're white that they're happier? Or do you think it's because of the economics that they're happier? No, I agree. I think that there's a lot of economic issues that we are not able to address because we have so much of the infighting that goes on here. Most of the countries that are homogenous, or if they have any kind of diversity, a lot of their social safety nets were put in place before a lot of that diverse population started to come. So it's really hard for us to be able to get healthcare or things like that when a lot of people are okay, sacrificing some of the economic gains that they could get to try to protect not becoming a minority. But I'm not following. So to my knowledge, a lot of the people who are pushing these policies, which would make the United States more like Denmark, are the Democratic Party, which is like the party of diverse, like most diverse population. So these people are trying to make the United States more happy by implementing the economic policies of Denmark. And the people who are opposing that who are saying, no, I want to actually keep my money, fuck all you guys, are the Republicans, right, which are the most white parties. So it seems like the white people are sabotaging America. Like if you want to if you want to make that argument that you tried to make, right? Well, no, because I think that you're thinking of a different type of Republican that is doing that. I think you're saying in general, no, I understand that there are people within the Republican Party who don't share like, obviously, right? Like all the parties are very diverse. I'm saying as a whole, right? Like conservative Republicans are those who are against policies like Denmark, where I'm from. Well, but what I'm saying is there's a lot of Republicans that are actually for a lot of these economic gains, like they would support Democrats on health care, they would support Democrats on social safety nets, they actually push those themselves. But way less, right? But way less than Democrats. Like if you look at just health care, like like Biden is trying to push health care through like like infrastructure, like obviously, like these are opposed by like 80, 90% of Republicans, right? I understand that there might be like 10%, 15% of Republicans who would support these. But it's like, it's a drop in the water. I think that the issue is that for the one, the Republicans, I didn't even know these kind of Republicans existed until I started doing our show. So this was news to me that there are a lot of Republicans. I always figured that basically, the most like right was you're going to have like Libertarians, which apparently you are, I don't know, but that they were, you know, socially liberal and basically conservative. But there's a huge swath of conservatives that are socially conservative and fiscally liberal. And they can problem. And I think a lot of them were Trump supporters. And that's why I think he was also very. Yeah. And I, right. So I have, I have many conservative friends and like Republican friends or whatever I speak to. And like, we might align on like a lot of economic policies and even some social posts. Like, I don't think the difference like there are some key issues which divide the parties. But I definitely think that there is more overlap than people think. I'm not trying to shit on all Republicans. I'm just saying the way that it works, right? The coalition, which is the Republican Party, are pushing these policies, which you seem to think are making America a less happy, a less prosperous place, right? And like those are the majority white voters who are pushing those while the immigrants are trying to create the America that you want. And I'm saying that like, if we didn't have all these other groups that were here, we would be able to get those things achieved because that wouldn't be their concern. And some people, I mean, is there any, is there any issue that you would? But it doesn't. No, I just. Okay. All right. I'm sorry. Yeah, I just want to say it was like when you said that I was frustrated and I wanted to get this out, right? Because it feels like when you say that you're ignoring like, or you're basically saying that you think that the average Republican voter doesn't want more economic redistribution because Black people or like immigrants or like non-white people are going to get it. But I don't think they're that racist, right? Like, you're basically saying there are more racist than I'm saying, right? And I think that's a bit funny. So what I think is more something like the average Republican voter makes more money and wants to pay less taxes because of that, not just because it's going to go to like Black people or Brown people, but they just want to pay less taxes in general, right? They trust the government less, all these things. I don't think it's because it's going to go to like these people, they don't want the money to go to like, might be some people that feel that way. But I don't think that's like the average Republican. Yeah. And I think you keep talking about a different kind of Republican than I'm talking about. Like, I know the kind of Republicans you're talking about, you're talking about like the, you know, the big capitalists like Mitch McConnell's and like maybe the Mitt Romney types where they are, you know, economic gains first. And what I'm telling you is that there's a huge swath that doesn't care. They're not, you know, they are struggling financially and they are, they want a lot of these social safety nets. But again, they put the social issues ahead and of the economic issues. There's a lot of issues that I mean, people are just, there's a lot of change that's happening really fast. And it's like freaking a lot of people out. Like our country is very, I mean, you go to the South and you go to like New York or California, it's huge difference. So when you push some of these social issues that are going to be kind of pretty progressive, I'm with you. If you're pushing some of these issues that are going to be really progressive for some places like California and New York, and then you're expecting places like Alabama or Tennessee or whatever to try to catch up with that, it's going to be such a culture shock that not a lot of people can handle that much change that fast. And so if you have more of a slower progression, like especially in this type of country, and that by the time that you get to those changes, people are kind of already used to it. I mean, we just, people just started getting used to gays being able to get married and all of a sudden we are just ramming trans issues down people's throats and it's freaking people out. We don't need to, they're not, they're not like wrong about that. Sure. Sure. Well, okay. So the issue is, I understand what you're saying and I agree with you. And I'm trying to bridge the gap. The thing that I'm telling you is that your issue isn't with non-white people. It isn't with immigrants. It's with people who disagree with you on policy. And these people exist regardless of race, regardless of skin color or whatever. These people exist and most of the people who I think agree with you economically are non-white in America. That's my issue. I understand what you're saying and I understand that there are white people, there are Republicans who also agree with you. But I think most people who agree with the things you're pushing are democratic voters, like the average democratic voter who is like, I don't know if the average democratic voter is non-white. I guess it depends on if you consider Hispanic people white or whatever. But that's what I'm saying. And it's the culture, but there are many different cultures for immigrants to have. It's not like, yeah. Well, okay. Can I just run a few little things? Just like one thing at a time, though. I don't want a list of likes and things. Okay. Well, it's going to all tie in together. So basically, in 1965, about 80% of the immigrants that came into America were white. Today, I believe it's around 18% of the immigrants that are coming here that are white. So, and then... Can I stop you there? Okay. Sure. I just want to point out that at the start of the debate, you said that I was going to debate bro you by bringing up like studies and stats and figures, right? And now you're trying to do that to me. I'm just trying to have a conversation. You don't need to bring up what happened in 1960 or something. I don't care. I'm just... I mean, we don't have to go too much into all that. But what I'm just saying is the number of immigrants that have been coming in here, we're getting to a point where immigrants, and most of them come from south of the border. That tends to be where a huge swath of our immigrants come from. They are going to end up taking over where native-born Americans are going to be. We're not even going to be America at that point. Do you consider Hispanic people white? See, for me, when I think of white, and I... Do you consider Mexicans white? No, but I think of white in a different way than some other people might. I think of it as a more of a visual thing. So, I guess white passing would be what I consider white because if my concerns are some sort of racial revenge, it's not about who exactly is going to be 23 and me type white. It is who looks white, who doesn't. Do you think destiny looks white? You're familiar with destiny, right? Yeah, and I know he's got like Cuban or something in him. Yeah, he's Cuban. Sure. Like half Cuban. Okay. So, do you think the average Hispanic person is white passing or do you think no? Do you think that most of the people coming from south of the border look like destiny? Yeah, well, I don't know. I don't know when you say south of the border, what that means, right? But I think I'm going to say most Hispanic people are probably white. I would consider them. Yeah. Well, yeah, then we definitely disagree there because I don't think that. I think that also. So, how do you figure out who's white passing? It's just like your personal interpretation. Are we just doing it every time? Let's go with that. So, is it just skin color or is it also like? Yeah, for me, it is. That wouldn't be the case for some of the people that may become on our show or arguing. I'm curious. Do you think you're white? Dario, just so there is a lot of interrupting. So, just to be sure that both sides are letting people finish their sentence. Sorry. Yeah, Dario. I'm so sorry. I'm just having fun. I wanted to know, do you think you're white? Like, do you consider yourself white? I think that if there was some kind of racial revenge, yes, I would be considered white. Really? Okay. Well, yeah, I'm on here blue-eyed. Yeah, I would think that would be white. Okay. So, actually looking at you like for the first time, I actually thought you were Hispanic. Okay. Do you know where your ancestry is from? Yeah, mostly like England and America. Okay. Interesting. Hispanic, Jesus. I feel like you're lying a little bit, but okay. Wait, did you consider that on insult? I'm sorry. I just. I will, yeah, I don't think that I've never gotten somebody saying I look Hispanic. Okay. All right. So, one of my questions also is, do you think that when it comes to crime and a lot of us, do you think that economic issues, like most of the communities and the people that are struggling economically tend to be coming from, you know, most of the crime, it tends to be from like a lot of the communities that are going to be struggling economically, right? So, yeah, probably, yeah, but I don't think it's because like, so I don't think poverty is like an indicator of crime, but rather I think it's relative poverty. So, like if you're super poor, living in a neighborhood with like super rich people, like you watch them every single day, I think that sort of is a driver of crime. And I think generally countries that sort of address income inequality the best are seeing. Hold on. I'm going to close this door because okay. Perfect opportunity to remind you folks, our guests are linked in the description. So, if you'd like to hear more, you can hear more from both Brittany and Dario. And that includes at the podcast as all of our debates are uploaded to the podcast within about 24 hours. And we put our guests there in the description box as well. So, sorry about that. Of course. So, say that again. Yeah, sure. So, I don't think poverty is like a, like the best indicator of crime. It is like, it is a indicator, but I do think it's relative poverty is probably a better one. So, I think generally if there's like an area where very poor people live together with like extremely rich people, I think that's a bigger driver of crime. I think the best way to address that is through redistributional policies like economically. And I think that's sporn out if you look at like countries who have like pretty good grasp on crime. Can you maybe point me to the kind of communities you might be talking about where the poor are living with the rich? And that's probably like big cities, probably. Okay. Generally. I think so, at least. I mean, but they still tend to be kind of segregated in that sense. Like there'll be big cities, but yeah, there'll be communities where those, okay, those cities, that area is poor. And that is pretty confined into that poor area. Sure. Well, generally poor people tend to commit crime, right? Because they have the most opportunity to, right? But the reason why they're committing crime, like if there's like a community where literally only like poor people live in like the entire city, like there's not going to be that much crime there because like, who are they going to steal from? Like, like who are they going to compare them to? Like, oh, goldies things, right? So, so like generally, I mean, that just, sorry, go ahead. No, I mean, that just seems to be like everything I've read on crime. So you think that like poor communities just confined into their poor communities, there's no crime there? I mean, I think that's where all the crime is. They're not going into the rich community. I mean, like it's not doesn't be, that's not really usually the case. It tends to be in these poor communities where the crime is. Sure. So, so it might be, so I might just be a difference between like what we consider a community, right? So, so you seem to not along when I mentioned like income inequality and stuff like this, right? So, so I'm not saying, I'm not saying that the poor people are going to run up to the richest neighborhoods always to commit crime, but it's rather, if you're in an area where you are constantly bombarded with like what it's, what it's like to have something and you don't have anything, right? That's going to increase your propensity to commit crime rather than just like being around people who are also very poor all the time, right? So if you don't, if you don't know what it's like to have more stuff, you're probably not going to commit as much crime, right? But, but I'm not saying that there is no crime in poor communities, right? That's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying what is the best indicator crime is very complicated. I don't know. I don't think that's true at all. To be honest, I think that the crime tends to be, and I think it's pretty well known and documented that most of the crime tends to be in poor communities. Maybe when you're talking about, oh, well, they don't know unless they see other people, what other people have, that tends to be, I mean, sure. So there's like gangs and they're flaunting their their stuff. And they're saying they haven't had nothing. That's the only way that they know to get out type of thing, but not talking about going from like these poor communities and they're pointing to some of the rich communities that are neighboring them. It tends to be confined into the poor communities. Sure. So, so there's a difference between what we are arguing right now, right? So I'm telling, I'm telling you, why does crime happen? Because you asked me, like, why does crime happen? And I answered you, right? But you're telling me, where does crime happen, right? You're saying crime happens in poorer income communities, right? And I agree with that. I don't disagree with that. I'm just explaining why I think crimes happen. And it's a very complicated thing that has many factors, but I just, yeah. No, I mean, I don't know, maybe I'm just not understanding exactly what you're saying very well. Sure. Do you think there's a difference between why something happens and where something happens, right? So we can say, yeah, what's a good analogy? Okay, so if you, okay, if you understand, like, I don't have to do an analogy, right? So, so, so if I'm, so if I'm telling you, like, like, how do we address the root cause of crime, right? Well, I'm trying to explain, right? I think much of the root cause of, like, there are obviously many different types of crimes, right? There's like crimes of passion, crimes of economic, like, like tax fraud, like all of these different things are going to be addressed in different ways, right? But I think generally, if we reduce poverty, we're going to see reduction in crime. I think that's okay. And exactly. Again, like, how are we supposed to do it? Because I mean, this goes back to the arguments we were just saying before that, you know, a lot of people, they would like to be able to address the economic concerns, but they are unable to do that because they are concerned about the direction that the country is heading. And a lot of the countries that do have all these social safety nets tend to be more homogenous. So what exactly, how do we ever address the economic concerns that people have in a lot of these issues if we can't get past that step? Sure. So it depends on what you mean by homogeneity, right? So, so I assume when you say homogenous, you mean homogenousness in terms of like skin color? Yeah. Okay. But the issue isn't what I'm trying to explain is the issue isn't with the skin color, it's the homogeneity of thought, right? It's the diversity of thought, right? You're, you're concerned with people who feel a different way about economic policy. But it isn't necessarily about skin color because people of all kinds of skin colors agree with you, right? And I'm trying to tell you that mostly in the US, the people who agree with you do have non-white skin colors, right? You can say that's because of the white people are being brainwashed or whatever to hate themselves. That's fine. I'm just, I'm just trying to state the reality. And the reality is in these countries where you think they're very homogenous, like I'm from one of those, like I'm very engaged in Danish politics as well, right? I can tell you that there are many types of white people in Denmark who feel very differently about these issues as well, right? It like every single country has different politics. It just so happens to be that the Danish politics are moved further along the redistributive line, but there are people who are trying to push it in either direction. And both of those sides are white, right? There are white people who are trying to push it less redistributive, right? They want to keep more of their taxes. And there are white people who want to pay more of their taxes, right? It isn't like a, it isn't a skin color thing. It's just how politics works. I still feel like we're maybe talking past each other a bit. I feel like you're going really out of your way to not admit that crime tends to be a huge factor in some of these economically struggling communities. You didn't ask me that. Well, I mean, I did, I feel like. Well, if you have a question, you're welcome to ask me, I guess. I feel it. I mean, am I losing my mind? I feel like I did ask that. I feel like I asked that a few times. Well, you asked me why does crime happen? I told you. Well, no, I was asking if you think that crime tends to happen in more of these economically struggling communities. Yeah. And then you were the one who was going into this whole different tangent thing. Okay. Well, what do you want to talk about, Rich? These, okay, so where we're trying to go with this, and I feel like we jumped all over the place to get there is. So if we went from crime to trans people to let's go at all. No, if we most of the people that are coming here are coming here, they tend to be from a lot of these countries like South America. They tend to be countries that are struggling economically. They tend to be some of these poorer places that also are rid with crime and violence and stuff. And these are the people that we are bringing in. We are inviting some of the worst types of people that you can just from that alone. And it's not like they're coming in with their... I get wanting to bring in people that are maybe going to contribute to a country and bring in innovation and all that stuff, but that's not where a majority of our immigrants are coming from. They are coming because they are they are struggling economically and they want to use our country to fix that. And if... Okay, okay, sure. So two points there, right? Point number one, we don't want the worst of the people coming to our country or whatever, right? I agree with you, right? I think most people agree with you, right? You don't want like serial killers, like just walking over the border and like nobody's like these people who don't let them in or whatever. I don't think anybody would disagree with you there. Where I think you will face disagreement is in terms of like just average people coming over from poor countries, trying to make like a better thing for them economically in the new country, right? And this seems to be just a net positive for both them and the country they're coming to. Like that's their libertarian perspective. That's the market perspective. Like labor is a resource in a market economy, right? So if you're in favor of a market economy, you want a constant flow of labor in terms to grow the economy and make it better for everyone. Okay, but all right. So even if like I grant you the fact that yeah, we're bringing in cheaper labor and that could help us in the short term long term as well. How so? Sure. So if you grow the labor pool of a country, right? Like it's not it's not a coincidence that most of the richest countries in the world are also the biggest countries, right? It isn't like it isn't just random happenstance, right? Like Denmark is a very happy country, but it's not a very rich country because we only have like six million people living there, right? It's less than New York City, right? So the reason why they are very big and very economically prosperous is because they have policies which have people be able to work in the best ways that they can within the economy, right? It's about a lot of things about education. It's about a labor force that's willing to work. It's about low unemployment like all these things, right? But one of the main things is a constant supply of labor, which a country needs. Do you think that most of the people that are coming here tend to be low-skilled workers? Honestly, I don't know. Okay, well they are. Probably, probably, yeah. Do you think that automation is going to eventually start to take a lot of those jobs from low-skilled labor? At some point, yes. Probably, but I don't think we're even close to getting there. And I think for most of the period that we are going to be from now till like maybe like 100, 200 years in the future or whatever, is going to be people who transition into all kinds of different jobs whenever like a type of job disappears, right? Because we've been afraid of automation for a lot of time. I think at 10 years, 15 years, I've heard about like automatic cars and it's still garbage. Like if you look at fucking the videos of Elon Musk cars, it's garbage. It's nowhere near to being close, right? So it's going to be like the first people who are going to lose their jobs are probably going to be truckers, right? And I mean, we know that they're very good at protesting now, so that's going to be dangerous. Do you think that perhaps if we... Actually, let me start with this. So in California, they're talking about actually banning any kind of gas cars from being sold here, I think by like 2030 or something, which will now force a lot of the dealerships to have to start to make more reasonably costing electric cars. Has this been passed in California? I'm not sure if it's been passed. I'm pretty sure it's like... I remember seeing something about... I'm not sure if it's been 100% passed, but I wouldn't be surprised if it has. But that is where California is heading and with being like the biggest state and how much opportunities there are here, that is going to force all these auto dealerships to start to create these cars that are going to be electric because they're not going to screw over for like 40 million people. If we were to end up banning immigrants completely from coming in here, I think that that alone would actually speed up some of the automation that would be needed to supplement the workers that we would lose. So I don't know if it would technically... I mean again, I think we both agree that... How so? How so what? How would banning immigration make automation come faster? Because I think that a lot of the people that are behind that are going to know that they have to actually fix that. They're going to want to make money. That's what their thing is. And if they no longer can rely on that, they are absolutely going to speed along how fast automation is going to supplement what the workers that they lost. But the issue is that there's already a huge incentive to push for automation. That's why some of the biggest companies like Amazon is pushing for it, like Elon Musk is like Google, like all of these... The biggest companies in the United States are already pushing for automation because they realize that as soon as they get... It doesn't matter to them if there is like a million more people within the country. If they're not going to hire any of them, they can say, fuck it. We don't give a fuck. We have all of our labor automated. So I think there's already plenty of incentives in a market economy to do this. I don't see why that's increased. That is there as well. But I think knowing... It's kind of like with the... I don't know if I can say it on YouTube, but with the shot, how when they needed that to be done, they all the greatest minds made sure to get that done as fast as they could because they needed it. They needed it then. They needed it now to restart the economy. Something like that is absolutely going to happen if now all of a sudden they don't have the workforce. Yeah, I'm sure that people are trying to make that happen regardless, but it's not as a dire concern as it would be if now you just cut off all of the cheaper labor. So the reason why that's not analogous and just for the sake of argument, like we can work with the argument, but the reason why that's not analogous is because vaccines have been developed for many, many years in many different ways. You're constantly being better and better at creating vaccines, while automation is something that has not been done so far in the way that you're describing it. Well, not in the way that you're describing it. It's not to completely replace manual labor. Because people are still using manual laborers. People are still hiring these people. Yeah, and that's going to be the case in general. I mean, you're still going to have to have humans on the job, but maybe a job that took 100 people will now only require one person. So when that does happen, what happens to the other 99? And if we're bringing in people from countries that don't need to be here, and that's mainly the kind of jobs that would need to be replaced, we are now bringing in a huge shipment of people that we'll now have to take care of as well when we're going to have so many Americans displaced by this. Okay, let's change the view a little bit here, right? So let's say that all of this happens, right? Let's say that America somehow figures out automation, where we lose 100 to one jobs, right? Everywhere, like in every single sector. Let's say this happens in the U.S. Do you think every other country is going to follow suit, or do you think it's just going to be the U.S. that figures this out, and they're not going to share the technology, like nobody else is going to figure it out? Well, I think like China's already been doing this. You see, in their restaurant, they have robots that are just serving out. I mean, this stuff is happening. I mean, I think that they're probably going to beat us in this race. So when this happens, right, this future automation thing happens that you're describing, it's going to be a worldwide thing that happens, right? So this guy's going to be the U.S. It's going to be probably every single country in the world is going to be implementing this technology that has been figured out. So every single country is going to have 99 people for like every 100 that's going to lose their job and not have anything to do. What do you think is going to happen with all these people? That's going to be like 80 percent of the world's population. Yeah, it's a scary thing to think about. I think that each country is going to have to worry about their own citizens, and we don't have the kind of social safety nets that a lot of these other countries do have, and we need to kind of start to protect our own people when and prepare for this inevitable thing that is on its way. It's coming like whether people want to accept that or not. It's on its way, and we're not doing anything to prepare ourselves or people for this. It's scary. Okay. So my issue here is that you're proposing a future scenario where the economy is going to stay the same, but we're just going to automate everything. But I don't think that's going to happen. What I think is going to happen is when the entire world faces automation, because I've actually, this is like one of the topics that I love to talk about, but I never actually get the chance to. I love future stuff. I love sci-fi. I've read a little books about this as well. The way that people describe this, and it's pretty simple if you think about it actually, is that once you have a automated like robots, basically like workforce that's going to do all of these kinds of jobs, you're going to exponentially increase the economy, right? You're going to have so much wealth. You're going to be able to infinitely expand like all of these sectors. It's like an Andrew Yang society. He was a little ahead of his time, but he stands where we're heading. Yeah, sure. But what I'm what I'm telling you is that in this future society, we're going to have so much wealth that we're not going to know what to do with it. We're going to have infinite food for people who are going to have housing. We're going to have all these things so that we don't actually have to sacrifice anything because we're not using humans to create things. We're using robots. We're going to have an infinite workforce and we're not going to need to have 80% of the population just digging ditches to actually get by. They can just have a UBI kind of thing like as Yang is proposing and we're not going to lose anything. They're rich people, so they're going to be able to be rich, but the poor people now have all of their basic needs matter. They don't have to lift the finger because the robots are doing it. It's the future. So basically you're suggesting that people just will have to by force live on the absolute bare minimum because they're going to... Well, what are you suggesting? Now, I'm saying we're not going to have... Who's the wealth man going to be in? Well, hopefully the world, well, I would say, or you would say the country, right? Or like each single country, right? Like you're not going to have these great swaths of people who are going to be looking to immigrate to the United States, right? Because they're going to have their needs met within the country that they're currently at because of the technology that you're describing, right? Like you're describing future technology, which is going to revolutionize the world, but you're looking at the world as it exists today with the world's problems. You think that places like in Africa, they're going to have all these technological advances that are the rest of the world? Come on. Have they been able to keep up with just the stuff that we have now? Sure. Well, we talk about automation, right? When we talk about stuff like AI, right? Like AI, like programming, like coroutines running, like scripts, like these kinds of things running where you don't need people to actually do like manual labor, like robots can do these things, right? That's like an intelligence problem. Like that's like trying to figure out like what's the best way to structure these things. It's not necessarily a resource problem. Obviously, there's going to be like some things that you need to produce. Like if you're going to have robots, you're going to need like the metal for the robots and stuff, but it's mostly like an IP, like an intelligence problem. So if you figure this out in the U.S., you can license it out to all these countries. You can bring up their labor force, like you can build it just like we do today, right? Like economic imperialism, right? The U.S. outsourced stuff, it's like all these kinds of countries because it's beneficial for the U.S. and it's beneficial for the country as well. Do you, I mean, are there any kind of self-driving cars in Africa in all these countries right now? They really picked up on this. But there isn't self-driving cars in the U.S. at work. Well, I mean, Tesla is a self-driving car. Like it can't be completely take over to take a driver's job. But I mean, if it's already happening right now, it's not far away. But it's not, right? That's what I'm telling you, right? It's not happening right now, right? Because they're out there, they're out there. And they have machines that will do brain surgery right now. I mean, there's a lot, like there is a lot of. Okay, if there are machines that will do brain surgery, why isn't every single brain surgery done by a machine? Can you tell me that? Because they still do need to have a human there. And that's why we're still at that phase. But if that is the case right now, what's it going to be like in 10, 20 years? That's what I'm telling you, right? I think when we figure out this problem, like the problem that you're describing, right? Because you keep telling me it's right here, I'm telling you, no, it's not, right? Because it's very close. Even if it is, even if it is, right? And I don't believe it is, right? I actually, I have a, I don't know if you know, I have a master's degree in computer science, right? I know a thing or two about these things. And I'm telling you, it's not that close. It might be, right? Like, it might be like maybe 50, maybe like the earliest estimates are probably like maybe 50, 60 years from now. Yes, absolutely. That's the consensus. I'll send you, I'll send you, I promise you, I'll send you. That's the consensus, right? But that doesn't matter, right? We can say it's in 10 years. Even if it's in 10 years, I think that revolution is going to bring with it unimaginable, like economic, like prosperity for pretty much like the entire world. And we're not going to have a lot of these problems that you're describing, I think with that. And that's why somebody like Yang is pushing for a UBI, because he thinks we're going to be able to afford a UBI at that point. We can't even do like a $5,000 UBI, right? To every single person. Again, and it's not going to be a problem. Well, kind of, yeah, kind of, yeah. Like because you're going to have basically like if you have like an autonomous labor force of like AIs, they're going to basically do all the labor, then yeah, I mean, you're not going to need humans to work really, you're going to need some people, maybe like 10% of the population, like like watching over or like doing some, some whatever maintenance and stuff like that. But like, you're not going to need all these things. And that's the future. I don't know. I think you're kind of in a little bit of a dreamland on that, but I'm in a dreamland. Yeah, I do. I think that we are a lot closer to it than you are letting off. I think that it's not going to be the case in every single country, especially the ones that are struggling economically. I think that this will happen in more of the prosperous economic countries. So I just, I think that I feel like, I mean, I guess this is something like we can't really know for sure, but just from the way things are and the way things are going, I don't, I don't think that's accurate. What would you need to change your mind? On which part? Unlike any of this. Because it's, because it seems, because I'm coming to you, right? And I'm not, I'm not trying to bring stats and data and like, just trying to have a conversation, right? And I'm telling you, like as a person who studied this, like literally, like, it's my field of study and I've done like a lot of reading and stuff like come to you. I'm telling these things and you're like, no, I don't believe you. Like, how can I change your mind? If you want, we can do a follow-up and have a discussion on this actual specific automation, if you want. We could talk about this and you can show me all the stuff that you have and see if that changes my mind or not. Okay. If you change your mind on automation, would that change your mind on immigration? Okay. No. Because my, my, this is just one, one factor of why I don't think that we should be bringing in immigrants. But no, like, of course, not. I still don't want to become a minority. I'm just saying we're bringing in more bodies that we don't, we're going to have to take care of when we don't need to. Why do you think other people are going to be so mean to you? Why do I think people are going to be mean to me? Yeah. I'm thinking that people are just going to, I mean, I'm not talking about me personally, but I do worry about white people in general. I do worry about my child. I do worry about if he has kids. What kind of future it looks like for him and his kids? You don't think, you don't think you're going to be able to live in like a community of people who aren't like mean to your kid because they are white? Do you, I mean, you should see, again, I hate to keep going back to South Africa, but they are literally being driven out of the United States, like in the United States. This is comparable because it's it, you know, there's no, but they don't have the economic like stuff from the United States. They don't have the Constitution from the United States. Like, they don't have all these things. Yeah. But do you think black people are going to take over the US? That's not going to be the case, right? But we agreed, right? It's not going to be black people. It's going to be not whites. No, I agree. It's not going to be blacks that are going to be the ones. So even if it was like black people who were going to rise up and somehow like do revenge on white people, like black people are still going to be like, what, maybe 15% of the population, 20% like that's not going to be enough to like take over the country. Right. But again, I mean, there's nothing more unifying than a common enemy. So if white people have been that common enemy for so many people, it doesn't, it wouldn't surprise me if people did make sure to bring that out against whites. This is just so I'm clear, right? So if you look at the country, the United States today, like a majority of people, I would say probably like a vast majority of people, I don't think they hate white people, right? But you're saying they're going to be more and more brainwashed to hate white people more. And they're going to be joined by more and more non-white people to hate white people in the future. And like everybody's just going to be unified about this. I just, I guess I don't see that ever happening. Well, I mean, no, again, I feel like we don't see a lot of things that are happening that could happen. But this is not really a chance I am wanting to take. And again, we're bringing in so many groups of people, we're just constantly pushing the narrative of how bad white people are. And we're just putting that in their heads. And it's raising a lot of like anger and resentment towards white people. But why wouldn't you fight those things instead, right? So I can agree. We should. Yes. But sure. So it sounds to me like you've given up, right? You're basically accepting. I'm a little bit black. I'm not going to lie. Is that a way to live? Like to be completely black? Listen, everything is lost. Everything I can do is live with my family in a fucking bunker for the rest of my life. Like, is that really? Have you seen those? What are they? The top call? It's those luxury bunkers. That's where to go. Those look good. No, it sucks being black on this stuff. But this is the issue. Like, I know that these problems are real. And these are concerns that I think a lot of people should. They should. They need a face. Having the proper solutions on what you can do, because I don't feel like there's a lot you can do. And it's scary that when you have so many white people also pushing against some of these things, and I think that they need to wake up and realize like, you're this is going to backfire on you. And you better like stop like pushing the anti-white stuff. Start pushing the fact that you should be able to fight for your own self-interest. And it's not a hateful thing. Like, I don't hate anybody. I have no hate for anybody. I'm just worried about what's going to happen if we don't kind of counter this that's being pushed. Can I give you some advice, Brittany? Yes. I think the best way to address all of your concerns, and I've listened to them today. I hope you feel like I've listened to your concerns. I think the best way to address those is to, number one, push for economic solutions to redistribute more wealth so that people aren't as poor in like many of these neighborhoods that commit crime that we both agree, right, are like these poor neighborhoods. Number two, I would say push for more progressive views on race in terms of like not actually being like hateful towards like white people or like people of any race, like just be more accepting of like any kind of race of people, like try and combat racism. And number three, I think you need to bond together with people who agree with you because I think there are many people who agree with you, right, especially online as well, that we shouldn't hate white people for being white. I think if you actually talk to like most progressives and you have like a normal chat like face to face, I think they would actually agree with you, right. And like they might say some dumb stuff sometimes you can call them out or the dumb stuff. You can say, hey, listen, is this a good thing to say? Really? Like do we want to go like, oh, we should do Mayo site or whatever? I think they would probably agree. Yeah. But again, like you even attempt to do that stuff. I mean, I never came from like a bad place when I started to address some of these concerns and I started to bring it, bring them up. And I was completely ostracized. We lost our YouTube channel. We got I got a lot of shit. The second I started to, I mean, I was just kind of, you know, it was new and fresh to me, these these thoughts. And I was worried. And the second I started to talk about it, people freaked out like you can't, it's like they want to live lefties want to live in this ideal world that they wish it could be like, and it just it's not that's not reality. And if you point it out, then you're a bad person. And it's kind of sucks that you can't talk about things if they're real, because you're just going to be a bad person if you if you say, say these things. We've got to jump into the Q&A. If you want to let's see who did start. Brittany, you're the first word. Then Dario will give you a short response, just in keeping with giving you the last word technically before the Q&A, a short and pithy one. And then we got to go to the Q&A. We can go to the Q&A if you want. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Jump again. Thanks for your questions, folks. Want to let you know our guests are linked in the description. If you want to hear more, you certainly can by clicking on those links, including at the podcast. Ozzie and talk says, quote, give me your poor, you're tired, you're hurtled masses, yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these the homeless. Tempest tossed to me. I lift my lamp beside the golden door. Freedom is American. I think they're coming from a pro immigration stance, Brittany. I don't know if you want to respond, given that it's more of a quote. I think that was probably just a super chat for you. Joe Schwartz says, what is your favorite South Park episode? They'll come back to that one. Did you have one? Who was that, too? Both of you. The only one that comes to mind for me is the one with the game show, where it says, what's your worst kind of people? And it's like N, and then nothing, and then it's like, yeah. If you know it, you know it. This one from Brandon Hansen says, Dario, were the Founding Fathers wrong to limit immigration to only white people? Were they wrong to write that the country shouldn't interact with foreign countries? Why not go back to how it started? I don't know. I don't listen to old dead people, generally. This one from Kwani Upstates says, does Brittany think she can make valid assumptions regarding someone's character or background based on their skin color or ethnic background? I wish I couldn't, but and I am able to like separate people from, you know, the groups of people, but I think that stereotypes and things, they don't just come out of thin air. They do come from something. So I think there are certain groups of people that do tend to commit more crime. I do think that there are certain groups that tend to be more violent. And when you see those kinds of things happening, again, I'm just not sure what you do about it, but I don't think it's like a crazy thing to not want to bring in more of those type of people. You got it, Anne. Thank you very much for your question. This one coming in from Steven Steen says we should allow unlimited non-white immigrants. And Jonathan Dao says, is lethal force immigration enforcement warranted? Who was that to? I'm not sure. I'm not sure what the question is. So should you enforce immigration enforcement that in some cases will be lethal with those that are trying to sneak into the country? Is that justified? Well, I mean, depends on who's trying to sneak into the country. I guess if it's like a serial killer who you've already rejected or whatever, I mean, sometimes I guess, I mean, I think most laws probably need like, at least a threat of legality or whatever. But I think just for like random people who are like, legally already in the country or whatever. No, I think that's that's dumb. I think, yeah. Brittany. Say that one more time. Is lethal force immigration enforcement warranted? Is lethal forced immigration warranted? What do you mean by that? So if someone's trying to sneak into the country and let's say those who are trying to keep them out, the authorities, the, you know, the government, is it justified that they're trying to come in? Sure. No, no, I don't think I don't think that you should be killing people that are doing that. Unless they are coming at you first. Like, I mean, I think that that should only be done in self-defense. Any kind of lethal anything. This one, Brandon Hanson says, Dario, can you name in honor of non-white people, can you name three things in your modern life you use every day that were created, innovated by non-white people? I mean, I don't know what you spend your time on, but I don't look up what the fuck like who created the stuff I use. I'm sorry. I just, I have better things to do in my life. This one from Nuggetman says, Brittany, just so we are clear, Jewish people are not white and Dario Bosnian Muslims are not either. James, it would be interesting to have two white people debating this topic for once. Oh shush, Nuggetman. I saw him in chat before. He's been in our chat. Pipe down. I didn't know you're a Muslim. Are you a Muslim, Dario? I was raised Muslim. I'm not a, not a faithful, faithful Muslim, unfortunately. Gotcha. I didn't know. Interesting. Okay. Dink Pearl says, who does Brittany think would be most likely to persecute a white passing person with Jewish ancestry, black and brown people, or white people who insist on less immigration of black and brown people? I don't think that, okay. I mean, again, I don't think that if you're being persecuted for your skin color, I don't think that people are going to automatically know what your ancestry is. So I think that's just a ridiculous argument when people try to use the whole, oh, well, like they might be Jewish type of thing. Most people didn't know that I was half Jewish until I said something. So I don't think anybody would be able to like, oh, I'm going to go after them because they're Jewish. Like that's just, stop it. This one coming in from, do appreciate your question, Brandon Hanson says, I bet Dario cannot understand what white means when it comes to quote positive solidarity among whites. I believe he knows exactly who whites are when it comes to negative designations. Thoughts, Dario? I don't have any thought about that, James. I'm sorry. I guess we don't share a concept of what is white, but I think it's very culturally dependent. And I think who is considered white today in America has evolved over time greatly. Yeah, I think that's it's ever changing. I couldn't give you a strong definition. You got it. This one from Lin-Yan Qin says, as a space age centered blazian that is looking from the outside, I consider white to be the engineering, let's see, engineering people's of central and northern Euro lineage. What was this term? Does that mean that if a person is white looking but they're bad at engineering, they're not white? I don't know. This is some weird question. She is like, where are you getting this from? This one from Brandon Hanson says, Dario, you claim to know how crime happens in one sentence and in the next line it's your opinion. You presented this fact and in the beginning you said you didn't want to bring up statistics. Hypocrisy? I don't think I've brought up any statistics. I mean, if you have trouble following what I'm saying, maybe you should listen back and maybe at a lower speed, maybe that's going to help. What I was talking about, why does crime happen? And there are many different answers to why crimes happen. There are many different interpretations as well. Many who are valid as well. It's a very tough question to answer, why does crime happen? But most likely it's not because of skin color, if that's what the person is insinuating. Gotcha. And thank you very much for your question coming in from Brandon Hanson says, Dario, do groups of people deserve self-determination if wanted? If yes, then you have no argument. If no, you are a tyrant and should be deposed. I think most people deserve self-determination to a degree. So you shouldn't have self-determination in terms of putting harms, direct harm upon other people. You don't have self-determination in terms of imposing things that break with human rights, like fundamental human rights. But I think apart from that, yeah, you should be able to do whatever you want with whoever you want, wherever you want. This one coming in from Lin Yan Chen says, it isn't about what you look like so much as your proclivity for peace, decency and innovation. Thanks for that. And Brandon Hanson says, Dario, it's time to move factories from your country to places with cheaper workers and then import the goods they make so it's cheaper for you to buy. Then let's import foreigners to do the service jobs you won't do. Thoughts? I'm not sure if there was a question there or whatever. I'm not a guest, exporting sectors of the economy or whatever. I think the best way that the world economy as a whole can grow is if the people who are currently the best at doing whatever job they're doing doing those jobs. I think that's the best way we can progress as a world. And I'm not as concerned with specific countries or whatever, specific nations. You got it. This one coming in from Brandon Hanson says, Dario, quote, 99 out of 100 people will lose their jobs to automation, unquote. Then also Dario saying, quote, we need more immigrants to do jobs cheaply so it makes corporations more money, unquote. None of those things were quotes from me, gotcha. This one coming in from Bubblegum. Who's going to make the robots? Okay, Vosh. I don't know what that, who that's for. Maybe that person is watching like a Vosh debate and was confused in chat or something. I don't know. This one from Brandon Hanson says, import people who wouldn't get jobs due to automation. Those people then would get on our welfare system. You ever thought this to its conclusion, Dario? Yes. And I explicitly in the debate talked about what the conclusion was. I don't know if the person just missed that or whatever. So the conclusion is that in the future where these things are possible, right, like great automation, which is going to come through like AI technology, all these things, that is with it going to lead to extreme economic prosperity. You're not going to have the issues of automation in the world of today without also having the positives of automation. That's the point, right? You're going to have the booms and the negatives, but the booms are going to help address the negatives. That's the point. You got it. This one coming in from, do appreciate your question. Ozzie in talks, making a statement, freedom of movement is a natural right in all caps for the natural right. Brittany, what say you? Repeat that? For the love of Pete. Okay, so they say freedom of movement is a natural right. Freedom of movement is a natural. I don't know what they mean by that. I mean, I think they mean to move into the US. How do you like them apples, Brett? It's not a natural right. You're very quiet. Is he quiet for you too, Dario? No, James is perfect. It's very quiet for me. I clean your earwax out. All right, that's one brand. I'm kidding. I want to be one to be one. Okay, both and Dario are linked in the description. They each have debates on their channels. So if you like debates, I mean, if you're here at modern day debate, you certainly do. And you can find more debates at Brittany's channels linked in the description, as well as in Dario's link. As you guys remember, maybe Dario facing off against Jay back in the day. I think I saw that on your channel, Dario. But yes, anyway, I do appreciate teasing you guys. Brandon Hanson says Dario, believe the world will be Star Trek. So people Dario, believe the world will be Star Trek. So therefore we need to let unlimited people into any country they want because we will have infinite everything. Dario, you are living in a fantasy world. Well, so specifically, the fantasy world is the one that Brittany is proposing, right? So Brittany is proposing the fantasy world where today we're going to have unlimited like automation and like we're going to basically living in like a country where everybody just hates white people. Like that's the fantasy world. And what I'm trying to address that with is saying, in the future, where we will have these technologies that Brittany is describing, we're also going to have the good things that come from these technologies, right? I'm not just saying we're only going to have the bad stuff. And then we're just going to forget about the things we're going to gain from that because why would we do automation if it's going to just be bad? And so what I'm saying is we're going to use the labor power created by automation to make it so that we don't like we can redistribute however much we want, right? We can have gangs, UBI, we can have all these things, all these programs where we basically don't have to care about how many people living like each kind of country or whatever because people are not going to have to work for a living in this future that Brittany is describing. This one from Brandon Hanson says Dario have minorities in the past been mistreated. If yes, do you think there's any chance they want some revenge for slavery? Would that be justified in your view? I don't think it's borne out that minorities who were mistreated like hundreds of years ago want to have revenge in the way that they want to like make white people slaves or whatever. I don't think there's anything like borne out in that. I don't think that's the way that they want. They're like works. I think if you talk to people from these moderates to talk to black people like average black person or like the average like Native American person, they don't want to destroy white people or like be super mean to white people or whatever. They just want to be able to live prosperously together with like everybody. That's what they want, right? They just don't want to be oppressed in the way that they have been. They don't want to oppress white people. They just don't want to be oppressed themselves. Yeah, again, that's most people, right? And I understand that there are people who go too far and who have opinions that I disagree with, just as Brittany might, right? I just don't think this is a big enough group that's ever going to do anything. I think most people are reasonable. You got it, Anne. Thank you very much for this one. Coming in from Kwani Upstate. I'm curious to hear your thoughts, because I've had people guess says, what assumptions do the debaters make about James Coons based on his skin color and ethnic background? I'm still mad about James. Brock can tell me to take my earwax out, so he's dead to me right now. He's a dead man. I don't know where James is from, but I just know James is a very handsome man. Okay, that's just past the moderator. Don't act like you weren't thinking it. What are you guys? All right, come on. Give me Pacific Islander. What do you think? What are you, James? I mean, you look white to me. I think James looks way more white to me than Brittany does, for sure. What the hell, man? You're just pulling at this point. No good. Yeah, I'm just German and Belgian and French. Anne, thanks for your question. DiGiango Greek says for Brittany, what would be the worst part about white people becoming a minority that isn't already happening now? What would be the worst part of white people becoming a minority that isn't happening now? I mean, but there is some racial revenge that is happening in swaths of areas, so it is kind of already happening, but I think it's going to happen a lot worse when whites have no way to stop it. Just really quick before, because I was with the whole South Africa, and I know I keep going back to it, but with the farmers that are over there, they are being murdered, not just murdered, but tortured and murdered, and they can't even sell their land because the government is about to take it from them, so they're stuck in this limbo where they are having to live in these dangerous areas and they can't do anything about it and it sucks. I worry that something like that could happen here. You got it. Anne, I'd love you to see if there are any last questions. They say, Brittany, would you prefer it such that people who were non-white were to be, let's say that they were to travel to a different country other than the U.S., such that it was only white people left? Would I like for people that are not white to leave the country, is that what the question is? Essentially, yes. If this show is not here tomorrow, folks, you know why? I mean, not by force, but if they wanted to, I'm not going to stop them. Juicy, to say the least, want to say, my dear friends, thank you for hanging out with us tonight. Our guests are linked in the description. It has been a true pleasure. Brittany and Dario, you guys, you're always fun. We appreciate you guys hanging out here. Thank you, James. Always enjoyed. Can I just show myself really quick because I always forget to. Yeah, make sure to follow me because we got our YouTube band, so we're on Odyssey for our show. And then I have, we're on Twitch right now at Provoked Brittany, but politically provoked is where our Auntie Live and Odyssey, so you can find us there for debates. Indeed. And those links are in the description right now, folks. One last question coming in from Brandon Hansen. He's coming after you, Dario. He says, Dario, does your master in computer science give you a superiority complex that makes you think your beliefs are more based in reality than people who experience totally different walks of life? Listen, to anybody who spends just 10 minutes in YouTube or Twitch chat, it would be very hard for me to not have a superiority complex because, listen, that's all I'm going to say. We should have a follow up on the automation stuff, Dario. Sure. It's not on stream or anything, but wouldn't mind following up with that. Juicy to say the least. What is a thanks again to our guests. I'll be right back, folks, with a post credits update letting you know about Juicy upcoming debates. So stick around for that. I'll be right back in just a moment and one last thanks to our guests. My dear friends, we do want to say we hope you've had a good time. It has been a true pleasure. I am very excited to have you here. I want to say hello to you in the old chat and also want to let you know, my dear friends, we are pumped. You are here no matter what walk of life you were from. Black, white, gay, straight, Christian, atheist, you name it. We are thrilled to have you with us. We want to welcome here and let you know that we are a neutral platform hosting debates on science, religion and politics and also want to let you know, my dear friends, we have many Juicy debates coming up. So if you haven't yet hit that subscribe button. Let me give you some examples this Saturday. I'm excited for this one. This has been a long way to debate. Dr. Z versus Dr. Geakovic, they're going to be on modern day debate this Saturday morning debating whether or not there is evidence for God. You don't want to miss it. That's also going to be a charity stream as we are going to be raising for raising funds for worldwide orphans is the name of the organization. It's been a long day, but want to say my dear friends, soldier of science, thanks for letting me know, says you missed my question. You owe me one. Did I really? Sorry about that. Let's see here, soldier. Man, I don't see it in the list here. Are you sure that you put it in unless it was like at the very last minute? I didn't, I don't actually think I saw it, but I do want to say we're here fulfilling, pursuing 100% determined to fulfill the vision of providing a neutral platform so that everybody can make their case on a level playing field. We're determined to do that and we're just getting warmed up. You guys, we're excited. Join us while we are small because we have big aspirations. And I can tell you, you might be wondering, James, what do you mean big aspirations? Like, what have you got planned? Why is there a need for a neutral platform? Because the mainstream media seriously, it's a joke. You can't trust it for a nonpartisan take. They'll have views all right, like they'll put views or ideas on there, but they're always going to make sure that they can control the way that they're put forward. It's not organic and authentic like it is here at Moderne Debate. That's something that we think is special and it should be offered and it absolutely should be a part of YouTube in its landscape. We want to say thanks for your support. Dr. Zaeus, thanks for your kind words. Do appreciate that. Brandon Henson, thanks for being here. It says thanks for reading my super chat. They were juicy and controversial to be sure you're right, Brandon. But yes, thank you for them. And Soldier of Science, as you missed my question, you're right. I did see this just now. I think that was like at the very last moment. So I do owe you one for that. Let me know. And I will actually read in a future debate. I'll read one as a super chat as I did miss that. So want to say though, my dear friends, glad to have you here. Stover as well as David and Sade Matish and Brandon Bandito-Max. Glad you're here. Checkma 6. Happy you were with us. 5-4-3-2-1-Truth. Glad you're here. Jared A., good to see you again. Thanks for your channel support. His and Lowe's, thanks for your being here with us. It's always good to have you. Ted, Striker, glad you are here. And my dear friends, let me tell you, in terms of upcoming debates, we are working on one, we're working on a couple that are seriously going to be quite controversial. As we were excited, I won't tell you who it's with, but we did just confirm. Mr. Girl will be appearing on Modern Day Debate. So you guys, it is going to be a blast. You don't want to miss it. It's going to be a blast. I am excited for that. And my dear friends, I've got to tell you, we appreciate your support. 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Good to see you, Richard Amarique. Thanks for coming by as well as my Tuber 81. Thanks for coming by. You're glad you were here. Kevin Jones, glad to have you with us. Brain Enhanced and says, I would have liked if you pressed Aria more to answer my questions more enthusiastically, but thanks for reading them anyway. Thanks for saying that. Yeah, I know I get what you mean. We usually kind of let it go. Frankly, I let those go a little bit faster this time just because some of these questions I was a little bit nervous about where I'm like, these are like making me a little nervous about the YouTube DOS, but nonetheless, I think we'll be okay. But that's why I kind of like let them go fast. But we do follow and as you guys know, we've already, we've always been open about this. We always follow YouTube terms of service. You might be, well, why like screw YouTube? We don't actually say screw YouTube. The reason is YouTube's helped us grow a huge amount. I mean, one of our videos alone has four million impressions. What does that mean? It means that YouTube has recommended our video four million times for just that video. Just that video. That's insane. I mean, like, talk about free advertising. Like, so YouTube has helped us grow. It's a platform we do appreciate for those reasons. And so we do follow the terms of service. And I like, I don't think any of your questions violated the terms of service. I wouldn't have read them if I did. But I was just nervous that like, depending on how the conversation carried out from those, you could say antecedent or yeah, basically the question as the antecedent, like what might come from that in the discussion of it, I was like, but X Adventist Frosted Flake, thanks for your kind words. Appreciate your support of modern day debate and Saito Nav. Appreciate your support. Thanks so much. Let's see here. Anybody that I had missed, thanks for your kind words. 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Nonetheless, remember, you have superordinate goals with them. You could say things in common that transcend many of our things that we may disagree on let's say on politics, such that you want to make the world a better place. We appreciate that you support modern day debate as we try to do that through those charity streams, such as the one coming up this Saturday morning that we're excited about, as well as everybody wants a neutral platform so that everybody can make their case on a level playing field. And we have big things planned for modern day debate. It is going to be a little bit slower. This next three and a half weeks or so. It is crazy busy for me. However, starting in April, I am very serious. We are going to be kicking it up a notch. If you think like, Oh man, modern day debate is just kind of like, you know, if you're only doing two debates a week, that's like, you know, more than or not as many as expected. Believe me, we have big things planned. And I'm not joking. And I'm not just saying that I've got to look at this machivist little look, I may look a little mischievous. You might think I'm just saying it to bluff because I know it's right now. It's a little bit slower, you know, two debates a week. People are like, Hey, you know, because we used to do them like sometimes four times a week. Nonetheless, believe me, we are going to be bigger and better and better starting in April. As like I said, I don't know if you guys know, so I'm working on my doctorate and it is like super busy. So for me to prioritize my doctorate, it's absolutely essential. I have to it's something that I can't risk not being in the program. And I'm grateful that my advisor and my professors, there's only one professor that didn't doesn't like the fact that I do the channel. But that's all right. You can't please everybody. But my professors have generally been supportive. So I want to give credit where it's due. But that means that I have to put the doctorate first. And so for the next three and a half weeks, it's a little bit extra busy. But believe me, I'm dead serious. We've got some epic stuff coming up in April. There's going to be some stuff that is going to blow your minds in terms of new guests, new topics, new stuff like we are working on reinventing ourselves in ways that you want it more. Because you basically were you would say, Hey, I like the way you're doing things. And I like that you're changing it up, shaking things up. Thanks for your support contrary and 420 says quote, if we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all. Chomsky, I appreciate that so much. I'm even going to copy that and save that in my Google Doc, because I really do like that. I like that so much that I'm like, That's perfect. I'm like, we can probably use that sometime at the channel. Now, my dear friends, we do appreciate I know that some people are controversial. For example, Dario, I don't I don't know if I don't know if he's quite as controversial. I think Britney's a little bit more controversial. But nonetheless, we stand by our decision to host whether it be Dario, Britney, or a lot of the people we've hosted in the past, we've hosted some way more controversial people than Dario or Britney to be honest, we've hosted some people that I've been like, Are we sure, you know, like I want to be sure. And I am sure that we were, you could say in the right and hosting them, we really do believe in giving everybody a chance to make their case. But I've got to say, Yeah, we dig our heels in there and we're not backing down regarding the people we've hosted. This is not your grandma's debate channel. You've been warned, you know what's coming. So prepare yourself mentally in that way in case you are looking for a grandma's debate channel. You won't be shocked when you see just how crazy things get around here because they do sometimes. I am excited though, I've got to tell you, we have big things coming up. I don't want to just keep battling that. So I will tell you one example as we're excited to welcome Mr. Girl to the channel. He's a provocateur to say the least that is going to be a juicy one. You don't want to miss it. And so I am excited though, you guys, we've got big stuff coming up and want to say thanks for your support. And then let's see here. Thanks for your, let's see, Dan Zammett says juicy and all caps. I couldn't agree more. And then Brandon Hanson says they're going to make you visibly sweat in the live stream waiting to read my future super chest. Be careful. I'm serious. If it's too juicy, I can't read it because that is how, what was the name of the fellow who got banned from YouTube? He's still doing a podcast. He's like super popular. He's got a huge following, but I can't remember his name, but he did get banned from YouTube. And we're trying really careful. We're trying really hard to not be banned from YouTube just because they do help us grow a lot. And we need all the help we can get. And let's see here. Then Yen Chen says, doctor of giant robots, modernity debate, not quite as kind of close. No, it's actually IO psychology. So it's kind of like work psychology, how to motivate employees, prevent burnout, selection, using personality, like cognitive ability, basically intelligence tests to select the best workers for a job, things like that. I am test beat box. Thanks for coming by says love all the work regardless, looking forward to watching this debate later when I have time. And that's true. If you guys didn't know we are Brandon says just kidding. Thanks for letting me know that Brandon. But I gotta tell you, my dear friends, we are absolutely excited. We have a podcast. It's been growing well. And we're grateful for that. You're like, why James? So you can have a ton of ad revenue from your podcast. There aren't any ads on it. 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Dan Zammett says, who will the opponent for Mr. Girl be? I can't tell yet. There's actually two potential opponents. One is confirmed and there's a second debate that we are possibly going to host. Heechield says, are you thinking about Stefan Malinu? Now that would be a good one, but I'm thinking about, no, don't get me wrong, that would be a good one. And I'm actually writing that down just because I think it would be based. However, it's going to be somebody even more controversial than Stefan Malinu. And I'm not joking. I would say about 10 to 20 times more controversial. And I'm not joking. I'm serious. So, you guys, we've got big stuff. It's coming up. Oh, man, we've got just a lot of epic stuff. So, I am excited, though, you guys. I want to say thanks for all your guys' support. You guys make this fun. I am encouraged by just the channel. 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