 Every time I hear it, boy, check it, man, check it, man, hey, man, this is boy ECO, and I'm here with the lovely official, Ms. Jamaica. You know the show, man, it's going on, man, Boss Talk 101, getting better every time. You know what I'm saying? And we have some of the most man, I want to say, the best guest. Exactly the best. We got we got a guy here today. Most talented. The most talented. TJ is here with us today. He does art. He officially from the prime time clip. And you did the shirt that you have on, right? Oh, yeah, I did. Hand painted the shirt. Hand painted it. That go hard with the paint. Wow. You the one? Yeah. Yeah, you go hard with the paint. Yeah, most definitely. So what got you into it? So at the age of four for Christmas. Yeah, yeah, we went all the way back at the age of four. At the age of four. He started young, yeah. I got a color book for Christmas. I fascinated with this color. And from there, I wanted to start doing my own color books. So I started drawing my own stuff out and coloring it in. So basically from the age of four, I just been into art and just drawing. Yeah, well, the thing I can say is did your parents hold you to it? You know, like keep you going in it. So my mom was artistic and my grandmother was, but. So this is third generation. So when you say your mom was artistic, like, did she draw things and sold it or to that point? Or did she just did? She just knew how to draw. All right, hold on, man. Hold on, man. Because, you know, let's do your intro song. Because we didn't come on right. Let's go. Yeah, he got an intro song. He got an intro song. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Now we on now. Yeah, man. That's where he's paying. That's where he's paying when he getting ready to play. Yeah. Now, now. Now, yeah. Quality work. Yo, yo, yo, work is it. Yo, yo, work is it. Yo, yo, yo, work is it. Yo, yo, yo, work is it. Quality work. Yo, yo, yo, work is it. Check it, man. Now we got TJ on the show, guys, man. Yes, yes, yes. He has his own intro song and everything. Yeah, you niggas didn't know I was going to bring it back. Nigga, don't make me start again. He ain't working in here. So what's up with you, man? What's good with you? Man, that's how we doing it now. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, baby, that's good, yeah. Yeah, this is going to start one-on-one. You said you started off with a coloring book, but when did you graduate into actual paint? So I graduated from Douglasville High School 2004. One of the trains back then was people paying cartoon characters on denim pants. I remember that. Yeah, so nobody would ever tell me how they would do it. So when I graduated from high school, went to Preview, rented to an old classmate who graduated in 2003, the previous year, went back to his dorm room. Whole room was just full of this art, hand-painted stuff. So he showed me basically everything that I needed to know to make my own pants. So I called my mama and told her to Western Union and give me some money, because that's how I was getting my food and everything. So instead of buying food with the money that she sent me, I went to Hobby Lobby and got all my paint supplies that I needed, and then started my business. You started your business. So you didn't tell her what you was doing at all? No, I ain't tell her at all. I was actually making money, yeah. And what did she say when you told her? She was proud, but she hit the little smart stuff talking about, well, I guess she don't need me anymore to send you money. I'm like, no. You won't have to send as much though. But you're going to have to drop out. No, you should have been like, no, mama, I'm going to start sending you money. Yeah. That's what you should have told her. No, no, you're going to have to drop out, because Prairie View is jumping up there. No. Did you finish? No, I didn't finish. I had 30 hours left. Wow, didn't we have somebody else who was at? Why not? Fat Pimp. Him and Fat Pimp. You seen it on there. Y'all shut up. You got to finish. Well, see, when I came back to Dallas, I went to enroll the amount of you. I finished and got my associates in the art there. Then I went back and got another certification doing robotics. Wow. So, yeah. So, let me ask you, hold on, I want to know this question. I want to know if you paid your damn student loans off. I don't have any student loans off me. That shot my credit, though. That pay money. But is it worth going to school for art, or if you just have that natural talent, is it best for you to just do your thing? Well, see, I just went just to complete something, made my mama happy, because I grew up educated. That's usually what happened. So, me not finishing, I would hear that all day long. My whole life, I would start something and not finish. So, going back to the interview, I heard you say before, you know, going to school, finishing, you know, basically you finish what you start. Right. Especially with your kids. So, yeah, that's basically what I wanted to do when I came back. Like, quit moving all around everywhere. Like, see them in one place, get something like that, then proceed to the next thing. So, wow. Well, the things that you learned in art school, did that help you with your craft? So, basically, when I got my associate in art, it didn't teach me anything about art. It was just a name. Like, that's the one thing about me even going to school and high school with art. I take art just to take it. They can't teach me something I already didn't know. And that would make the teachers mad, because I'm sitting here, breezing through stuff and doing stuff my own way, because I'm like, I already know how to do this. Like, why are you- So, God-given talent. Yes, sir. Especially when they want you to do it in a basic way, when your mind is already like- I'm triggered to do stuff- You are like Nick Cannon on Drumline. You naturally could play the- You could do it naturally, so it couldn't be, you know- Basically, he couldn't read the music- Music can read- Yeah, that's right. It's the same thing. Like, I can do it. I don't really need you to show me how, but I'll take the class because it'll get me a credit that I need. Exactly. What I wanna- Exactly. What I wanna know, because you have a lot of people in the art craft, especially when I look on social media, or when we go to the magic show or the different shows- Yeah, they can draw. We see people just, you know, play their music and they just go off and start drawing and doing all of this other art on whether canvas or on the wall or on wherever, and in no time it's done. Right. What would make you different from any of those other artists? I know I do everything when it comes to art. I don't limit myself to just one thing, so like I said, when I graduated from high school, went to Prairie View, I started painting on clothes. So I was painting on the pearl. I did that for so long, then I had to transition into doing something else because- Because that was out of style. But not so much out of style, but other people started doing it too. Right. So after I started painting on clothes, I was like, well, I gotta start drawing portraits. So I started drawing pictures and stuff like that, so I started getting another audience for people who wanna get portraits done, so after I did that, I was like, okay, well, now I see some other people doing portraits, canvases and stuff like that. So I started painting on shoes, and then I started doing murals. I just, every year, my whole mind frame was to elevate and keep doing something different. So I'm never gonna be stuck doing one thing. So no, I can't just, I don't just paint canvases, I don't just do murals, but I could paint shirts, I could paint your shoes, I could pay bad payers, I could draw you out a logo, I could paint on the wall. Into your exterior painting, I do regular stuff, I can strike parking lights, How long does it take you, like say, example, if we wanted to draw a mural on one of our walls right here, say this size wall. It really just depends on what you want. Say the podcast, right here. We just want all of this painted on the wall. I give me a good ol' day. I probably say like 12 hours. That's it? Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah, I tap in, get in my zone, and you just give me a theme or what you're trying to go with, what the rest you want to go with, and I'll go from there. Are you fancy with your art? When I say fancy, okay. When I say fancy, let me tell you what I'm thinking about. I've seen the craziest things on back again, social media. People will just have not use a brush. They'll sometimes use their hand, pop it in the paint and throw it up and they'll start doing this, and it comes out beautifully. I've seen people use their nose to paint. Yeah, they do all sorts of stuff. Very artistic with it. Right, because that's, in today's society, when everybody's doing the same thing, what's gonna make you stand out different from anybody else? Right. I do everything, so I can use a paintbrush, or sometimes I use, with favorite paint, they have the needle tip at the point of the bottle. I can use that. Sometimes I use my fingers to blend. It really just depends, I can use any and everything, depending on what it is that I'm trying to paint on, so. Yeah. Can you record everything you do? I have recently. Okay, because you know social media. Oh, you're on TikTok. And I'm not on TikTok yet. You gotta get on TikTok. You gotta get on all of those platforms. So people can see the process, and then you can speed it up. I've been putting everything on Instagram, so. You to get on TikTok. All right. You do, because that's where y'all hanging out at, right? Right, Chamarie? TikTok, where would he do good to show his crap? For me, and that's another thing, part elevating and growing, because you know, with time, you have to know how to adapt to. That's right. You have to change. Building a brand, building a brand, people don't understand, building a brand, no matter what craft or career you're in. If you're trying to market it yourself, it takes time. It takes a lot of effort. It's a job within itself to sit down and find the time to say, okay, I'm gonna post this on TikTok. I'm gonna post this on YouTube. And then sometimes, yes, there are apps that will allow you to post, but some apps you have to pay for, especially if you're doing videos. If you're just posting pictures, they're free apps you can use to just put everything on there, schedule it out, and everything goes to everywhere. So you can save time. But when you're posting videos that can show people, this is how I do it and speed it up and make it look all creative, you have apps, but you have to pay for those apps. Or you can say, okay, I'm gonna put something different on TikTok, something different on, but you have to sit down and spend that time again and time is money to sit down and spend that time to do that. That's another thing that I learned recently. I used to post pictures of the finished product all the time. So then, yeah, people don't really engage with just posting pictures. So I got to the point where, okay, I'm starting doing time-lapse videos of me, the whole process of me paying the shirt or paying the portrait or whatever like that. And I've gotten a lot more engagement with the audience, so. Exactly, because you're fast forward in any way. It's not like somebody's sitting there watching it for 12 hours doing it. You're gonna fast forward to the, and slow it down at the good scenes that you say something or you do something creative or whatever and all the other parts you just fast forward through and make it creative. Yeah, I'm loving everything though right now. It's just, especially recently, cause I just quit my job about three, four weeks ago. So you're gonna be doing this full time? Well, I've been doing it full time now for about a month. So you quit it to do this full time? Yes. So you have so much faith in? What I do, yes. And it took a long time for me to believe in myself. I can't imagine that, cause you've been doing this ever since you were younger. And how old are you now? I'm 35, I'll be 36 in July. You look, another July person. What's your date of birth? July 16th. Oh, so you were cancer, okay, you out of this. Why you made that? Because you were cancer. Cause we all live, and then the gentleman who left earlier, he was also July the 27th. But at least you still July, you still July, so I'll give you that. You July. You July. I don't like, every time somebody says, oh you were cancer, like what does that mean? My best friend is a cancer, but we'll be getting into it because, her birthday, I started Leo Pact, I'm the 23rd. She ends the cancer pack, so she's the 22nd, she's the day before me. So I always tease her, I say, you a cancer. Cancer people, no, they're good. They're good people, cause she's my best friend, so. Right. So she wasn't your best friend, what was you doing? Say about, I can tell you, cause she's, I think, she's the only cancer that I really know. Thinking about it, and she's cool people. Oh, I'm cool. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So, where do you see this career taking you? In the next two years, let me give you a time limit, because if you quit your job, to do this full time, you should have goals set out, written down, time limit on this, so you know, okay, by next year, this is what I want to accomplish. My ultimate goal is to be more global with everything, so I'm not just so Texas-based, cause that's pretty much my whole following right now, it's been Texas ever since 2004, really. And how is it planned to do that? Hey, how do I plan to do that? More just put myself out there, like more traveling, I have people who live in Colorado, so I'm gonna go out to Colorado, I'm gonna go out there, and I have a, I already have a plan when I go out there, as far as like marketing and how I'm gonna do my artwork and stuff out there, but I can say each demographic is different, so it's like, how can I bring what I have to their culture and make it work and fit for me out there, so I know, I have a lot of figuring out to do, but I just know traveling, getting outside of Dallas, Texas, and getting outside of Texas in general, I'll be able to see a lot more, so I can adapt. Right, right. But, you say get out there, but social media is such a crucial platform where you really don't have to even get out there to know certain things, you can go on social media and look up certain keywords and find anything you need to know. But it's different from looking up something and actually go outside, I've never been somewhere. And talk to someone. I've never been to California before, so I mean, I know California palm trees, beaches and all that stuff, celebrities out there, but it's different once you actually go out there and you actually interact with the people because the culture is a lot different once you get there, opposed to just looking at on TV. Right. Which is true, because I've been there many times and it is very beautiful to go there and actually see the culture. But then, certain things you don't see, because. Yeah, yeah, like the Dallas downtown, you don't see that. I'm not talking that way. Then you know how like when you watch TV and you see certain things about California, so whenever you go to California, you're looking for that. You're looking for it, yes. Like I'm looking for those low riders going like, nah. I don't see that. She watches too many movies, yeah. But you don't see the Dallas, you know, that's high-rises and all that. Of course you don't see that because you're not in Dallas. That's right. So you got to be there. Right, you got to be there. You are in the midst of greatness and you don't realize it when you go up there, you're like, damn, I'm out. He's just talking about visiting. He's not talking about living. Yeah, well I'm just letting him know before you go up there. But that is just like the Dallas skyline. Because he just said Hollywood and all that. And yeah, it's cool, but it ain't Texas. Right, he right. But I said it's like, there's money here in Dallas alone. Boom, there it is. Yeah. It's a big house, you know what I'm saying? But for me, I want to be beyond Texas. Where you want to go? Everywhere. I want to be everywhere. If you could go anywhere in the world, where would you go? That's a good question. Honestly, I don't know. Ferry? Nah, I don't know. God, that's what it, when they talk about it. I'm not fascinated about it. When they talk about art, that's usually what I mean about it. Yes, I'm not a typical person. I'm not a typical person, I'm like. They think you want to go to a Decatur. No, I don't. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? That's where the money goes. He want to thug it out. He don't want to be out there. Ferry. I'm going to Australia. Antarctica. Man. How many clients do you have right now? Because when you say you quit your job to do this full-time, you should be able to. Better have some money. You should be making enough where you can pay bills. I know I'm making enough, for sure. I'm making enough. But as far as I have many clients, that just differentiates. Like, one week I can have 10 people, the next week I can have probably like five, but the jobs that I'm doing will carry me over. Because your jobs are pricey. Right. It just depends. They vary. They vary. I don't have to say pricey for anything because like I said, everything I do is pretty much custom. Okay, so when somebody say, how much do you normally charge? I'm going to tell you what they say. I got to take a look at it. See, once he said I got to take a look at it, then he feel to go over there and really give it to him. Like, I got to take a look at it. Yeah, I'm like, what do you want? I want to get a shirt, man. How much to get a shirt? Well, I'm like, what do you want on a shirt? What size? How many colors? Well, I said, I don't charge about the color. I just go more so on. The white thing I have to. How you depth the design. Some people might just want a name going across a shirt. I'm not going to charge your arm and then they just put, like, no. If you want. How much do you charge to put? I was talking, going across the shirt and just one color, like, all right, that's going to be cheap. I mean, most people be like, well, don't let them know that it's going to be cheap. You know, charge what you're going to charge. But for me, I'm more reasonable and I like for everybody to have my work. I don't want to be too hard to work. You can't afford me. But I also got to the point to where I know I have to charge what I'm worth. Exactly. Do you charge per hour? Or do you charge? Because you know, that was the hard part for me. That's a good question. Because when I started doing anything, DIY and all of that, I used to always just discharge something. And people always said, no, you need to calculate the products that you put in there. And how long did it take you to do it per hour? And when I started to do it, I'm like, ain't nobody can afford me then. Same thing, my brother talked to me all the time about. He's like, you know, so basically if I charge 50 dollars to do a shirt and it takes me, let's say two hours to do that shirt, basically I just got to pay 25 dollars an hour. So I wouldn't make that work in that Walmart. That's why I've been there before. So I was making like 15 an hour. So when I charge somebody to do $1,000 for a project that might take 10 hours, that's what, my math is crazy right now. But basically, you know, I make the money. But you should be the same all around. So even if somebody have a big project for you to do and you charge them $1,000 for that, but this one over here you just did for the $50 and it's $25 an hour, you need to say, okay, look at that paint and say, it's gonna take me about 10 hours. Okay, 25 times 10. This is how much I'm gonna charge you. Yeah, basically, for this, gotcha. They don't know how long it's gonna take me to do it. No, but you know, depending on all of the type of work you've done, you can look at an art, whatever they show you. I'm like, okay, I know XYZ, I know my schedule, I may not have to, okay, I can do that. Five hours. Yeah, and that's something I'm working on too, my whole schedule. As I said, my brother right here, he's important to me because, you know, a lot of people have yes men around them. He's not gonna tell me what I want to hear just because, you know, push me along. Yeah, you know, let me get up in that too. My work, call me. You can have my number when you get through today. I ain't gonna tell you what you want to hear. Oh yeah, I already know that. You want to talk love? Hell, I'm the one. I'll give you all the love you need because if you're selling them shirts too cheap, I'm gonna come hard at you about that. If you're selling them too high, I'm gonna say, hey, man, that's too, if you is not selling them because you ain't moving fast enough, I'm your guy. I'm gonna be the one to tell you. Me too, because I want to get some stuff put in here. Yeah, well, a lot of people do, you know, but I just don't know what kind of tag you got in these shirts. I don't know who, man, who's shirt. Stipulation, yeah, yeah, yeah, you got to be legitimate business, man. Yeah, we're gonna have to, we'll buy the T-shirts and you put the stuff on them and we taking half the profit or something. All right, we'll work something out. No, you can't just come up in here and talk about you gonna drop some shirts off. Say no damn CD shop, it ain't back in the 90s. You think you could have dropped some damn shirts off in unique fashion? You got to think again, TJ. Yeah. Stop it, man. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah. But I will help you if you want. Oh yeah, teamwork made the dream work. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And definitely, and we maybe could critique it and do some things together for some artists. That's what I mean. I'm talking about music artists because there's a hundred thousand, hundred million rappers out here. That's where I would go with it because they, every nigga want to rap. So I would more than likely try to make rapper's shirts. But these niggas want to rap. Are you right? I know I'm right. I just look for what a sweet spot at and I think if you can make something that appeal to that people, those guys? Oh man, you enter the money then. All right, so when I was at PV, of course, I was doing stuff for people on the campus. You know, of course, I used to rap back in the day. D'Rose, one of the rappers from Dallas, went to Preview as well. I made the search for the ice cream paint job video. Yeah, yeah. I remember that. Yeah. So I done stuff for him, you're doing that back then. You're a nation, everybody. There was some nice shirts, too. I love tweets, everybody. Really? Yeah. What do you think that you've done? Do you still deal with some of those same customers? Like I just had a guy coming here, been coming here for 15 years. Right. Can you say that? I have a couple of people who I've been dealing with since I first started paying. That's good. That's a good road. Imagine how many artwork they probably have from you in their house. I love it. I told everybody, hold on to it, cause it's gonna be worth a lot of my money. It's already worth a lot of money. Yes, sir. If you did it, you put your heart and blood, sweat, and tears into it. I'm gonna give it all I like to cuss. Do you have any artists out there that inspires you, that you look at their work and be like, I'm gonna beat them at this craft one day. I'm gonna be better than them. Well, see, I don't look at it as a competition. I just use it as motivation. My favorite artist right now, he's from Fort Worth, Trey Wilder. Trey Wilder. What makes him your favorite? What does he do that's different? This is approach to every project. I'm always ready to see what he's gonna do next. He's always coming up with some random different stuff. How do you see it? He said, how do I see it? Oh, Instagram. Okay. So you've never met him person? I never met a Trey in person. But we talk plenty of times about linking up or whatever like that and try to do a collaboration on the piece. But he's sending people, when he can't do something, he'll be like, I will teach that, I have a customer of yours who wants to get this, this done. I'm gonna send them your way. Let me know how it work out, whatever like that. So my whole thing is, they're working and building the communication. Yeah. Like a community where everybody working together. Because the fact that he has faith in you to know that you will deliver and satisfy that customer. You know what I mean? Because we were talking about something like that the other day is that be careful of who you recommend because it's your name behind it. As much as you can tell a person, well, you can try them. I don't know this. You are the one recommending them. So your name is sort of behind them no matter what. Even if you say, I don't know, then just don't recommend them. But for the main fact that he recommended you, I mean, he's putting his name behind you. He's trusting in you that you will be able to satisfy them. But if you don't deliver that, nigga, it's not gonna take the blame for you. I can promise you that. I know. I didn't hear it though. Bro, come on. How you gonna do me like that? I sent them to you, but he sent me quite a few people. And you deliver every time. And do those people come back to you? Yeah. And then I send people his way as well. So if I'm not able to do something, I'll go to another artist who I feel like can accommodate what the customer wants in. I have one girl right now who I have worked with me as well, another upcoming artist named Marissa. So I'm showing her how I do everything. So, you know, if I can't do something, she's gonna be the person who I work with me. And so I'm like, well, if I can't do this job, Marissa, here, go over there and knock that out. Do what you do, because, yeah. I never could connect with the pain side. I see them and say, that look good, but it's not my thing. Yeah, I mean, the whole thing. You gotta love it. You have to have a creative side. And that's the thing with painting. Okay, what kind of painting do you, because I've seen, I get in movies because I don't go to those art galleries. Paintings on wall where people have to stare at them and be like, what do you get from, you know, that abstract type of art, where he's like, what do you get from that? And one person said they get this and the artist felt this way and the artist. Yeah, see, I'm not that type of artist. I'm the, I don't do too much thinking when I look at stuff. It's either it catches my attention or it doesn't. But I know they have different mediums that people use from watercolors to acrylics. For my canvases, I use the paint from Home Depot. I get a whole bunch of little simple containers in different colors. And that's how I paint my canvases because I like the way the colors look. It's more vibrant. You don't have to. And that's not even acrylic. That's not, it's wall paint. That's wall paint. I didn't know you can use wall paint on canvas. You can use anything. You can ketchup, mustard, whatever you want. I've heard that before, food art. I haven't heard about that, food art. You be out there buying ketchup, mustard, paint, all the time. Really? Yeah, I need it for my sandwiches and my hamburgers. Not for your art. Put half of it on the wall and half of it on your burger. Yeah, you know. Just flick it just a little bit on there. Wow. It's just paint. It's just paint. That's what they say. So, you talk about your mom a lot. Did you have your father in your life? Yeah, he was there in and out, but... I never skipped out on you. Yeah, he did early in my life, but he came around, but he came around. That's what I'm saying. You don't blame it on him. Because he came around. Well, and another thing, I can speak on that subject a little bit. He only mimicking what he knows. You can only do what you know. And that's the problem with us. We get mad at our parents, right? A lot of times, or our parents' parents. But they're only doing what they was taught from their parents. So, we have to have a... Understanding. Yeah, we have to forgive, first of all. And we gotta stop that curse so we can move on, man, because our people went through a lot. I gotta always say that on here. So, don't let that be the reason. And I'm not saying you, but that's, I mean, my dad was the same way. Like, when they broke up, my mom and my dad broke up. How old were you when that happened? Nine years old. But at the end of the day, I didn't like some of the stuff he'd done, but as I looked at my grandfather, and as I grew older, and when I started to understand God a little more, I started to look at the fact of what all his dad, dad went through and his dad went through. Yeah, see, my old man's dad, he was like a little rose of stone. See what I'm saying? And you start to see this stuff. But see, my old man, he was a hustler, a grinder. He'd do whatever he gotta do to make money. My mom, she's more... Homebody. Homebody, so she did stuff, yeah, structured. She did stuff by the books. So she, school, he'd buy the, you know, hustle, get it, how you gotta get it. So put them two together, you give me. That's right. So I was trying to do the school. I was like... Trying to please parents. Trying to please my parents. But then inside of me, it's always been a grinder. I gotta go get it. So, you know, my old man came down like a month or so ago and he had to talk with me. Came down from where? Colorado. Okay. He came down to Colorado. He be smoking that weed? Nah, he call him funny sticks. Yeah, he not inside this, but we at the Gaylord Hotel. I had two of my kids out there. So he could see them. He just had a man-to-man talk with me telling me, you know, this is right before I quit Walmart. He's like, you know, you could be making a whole lot more money doing what you love to do. And he's like, you know, I'm up here doing this, this, this, this, and this. He's like, don't be scared. Like you just gotta get out there and just do it. He's like, at least try. Because if it don't work out, you can always go back and do what you wanna do. But he's like, that shouldn't even be in the back of your mind. So, for somebody who wasn't there for me growing up, like he's made up. You can't make up for a lot of time, but I feel like the information that he gave me at that time that we had- It came when it mattered. Yeah, when it mattered. So, was that your deciding factor to quit your job? It was one of them. Like, I really wanted more for my kids, one more for myself. I've always known what I'm capable of doing, but like I say, it's the people around me who see it in the known. Like my brother here cares. Like, I've been knowing him since 2004. And it's like, he's not gonna tell me what I wanna hear. And he's my- Cause shut the criticism, he gonna give it to me. And sometimes people get really defensive and sensitive when people tell them what they don't wanna hear. And this is like, that's not gonna make you stronger. Cause when people out there, like when you get online and start talking about you and everything like that, a lot of people take that stuff to heart. And a lot of people end up- Do your kids live with you? No, they don't. Okay. So that mean you're not with the mom? No, well, he's basically doing the same thing his dad did, the in and out thing. No, no in and out. I'm very active with my kids. But you don't say what I'm coming from? Yeah, so I gotta ask you, man, top three artists of all time, man, did or alive. Do you love music? Well, you should. You was friends with DeRoe. Yeah, I love music. Okay. Well, give me something. I like- You know what I'm saying? Hey, listen, Eric Gabbadu, shout out Eric Gabbadu in Dallas, Texas, man. Say, man, we love you, man. Over at Boss Talk, you gotta come check out the show. If you ain't, you still gotta tap in. Come on, dude. Hey, man, it's up to you. You might as well get on early. My favorite artist for me, Nip, I like to be- Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, Nip. Nip C. Hussle. Yeah, let's say it's his whole name. Don't do that, bro. Nip, like y'all are first name and base name. Man, look, Nip. Where's I? Nip. Well, technically, I met Nip before. You met him? Okay, I did. Do what you meet him at. At DeRoe's video show. Oh, okay, now it's coming together. What y'all doing over there? Y'all smoking that stuff with y'all? I don't smoke it, I don't smoke it. Nah, I stay away from the funny sticks. Yeah, yeah. Funny sticks. So how was it meeting him? Did you talk to him and everything? Not like other people have, but I had a little conversation, but it wasn't long. That's fine. At least you did that. I love his music, though. Yeah, so you saying your number one is? Nip C, for sure. I just like the message that he was putting out there. Is that the first number one for Nip C? I believe so. What's number two? Ludacris, he was another one of my favorite. Luda? That nigga be hollering. That's the first little old bitty nigga with a big old voice. Isn't that the first Luda we've had on here? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and Luda. This last one, if I were gonna be another first. Who is it? That one was Big Tuck. I love Big Tuck. Big Tuck, yeah. Same. Same. This is my personal, this is my favorite life. For me growing up and what I listen to, like when I, whether it be this art or this in general, this is for me. Hold on, I thought that you would have been, Hold on, I thought you would have been so happy because Big Tuck is from the south. I'm happy because Lisa got one in there. You know what I'm saying? But the trip that part is him and Darrow friends and he didn't even say Darrow. Yeah, I said it. Yeah, yeah, let's get it in, yeah. Yeah, Darrow, shout out to Darrow for coming over and blessing my platform. This nigga ain't saying your name, but I'm saying it. Darrow, man, I love that candy paint job, ice cream paint job, being on BET. Okay, now the thing I'm gonna say here, Lisa, what is it? The thing I'm gonna say, Lisa, I brought the nigga up. You know what I'm talking about? You was gonna pay it right back. Now, so do y'all still talk? I ain't now, let's do it earlier. Now I'm talking about boys on the top three. Do y'all, you know, do you think? No, he can't see this. Because this dude got a damn sound that's up and I talked to Watts about this earlier. His sound to me seemed like he was commercial already when he came when I heard the way his voice sound. More than anybody else in Dallas that I couldn't even think of. Yeah, bro, talent's it for real. So I know that for a fact in my heart, I know why he platinum. I know why he went platinum cause he sound like he should be. Yeah, a lot of people just hating on him. Who hating on him? I mean, this people ain't shut up. Wait a minute, wait a minute, ain't nobody saying that? Nah, I'm just saying, it doesn't get you. Yeah. Now, you already know people on line like, we already talked about it. They hate on me. They hate it on Jesus Christ. That's just going, they hate on you. Ain't nobody going to let you make it. You're going to have to grind through it and you better have some tough skin or you don't belong here. Real talk. Cause at the end of the day, you keep mentioning the fact that your brother always giving you constructive criticism. And at the end of the day, you got to have somebody that you got to have tough skin. But you got to have tough skin through all of it. Cause some of these folks out here are going to tell you stuff that's going to be lies about you. Then you have to deflect the lies, right? It's so much different. It's like fits her out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was really, it was not, you know. The one thing I can say about y'all, man, I love all y'all and the fact that y'all was pulling balls tall. When I called DeRoe, DeRoe pulled up. Like it wasn't nothing. And at the end of the day, when I called Watts, after I found the niggle, he pulled it up. You want ice in that? I know. So, he drank it hot. That was room temperature. So, and I just, I love y'all chemistry, man. And I love the history of the music in Dallas, Texas, man. They're like, you got, yeah, I know it. I know it. I know it goes deep. Y'all, you was a part of the boogie movement. You want them dancing? Nah, I don't do it without the dancing. Oh, you didn't dance? I had my stanky leg moment, but. I never did. Far as to walk that walk when you first heard it, cause that was one of the first ones that he did. Did you think it was hot? Yeah, I mean it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Like, so when I partnered with DJ Murk, that's part of the doors up coming with cash. We're out in a. Primetime click? Primetime click, it's in the same bag. Yeah, yeah, let's say it. Primetime click, it's in the same bag. Yeah. Got it tatted on my bag. Let me see it. I don't believe it. I never say he from the primetime click. Let me see it. Keep the camera, no, get that camera, get that camera rolling. Scoot over a little bit. Right there, yeah, right here. Yeah, you done damn me, scarred yourself off. The boy got primetime click on his back. Your genius entertainment. And genius, so you really, you live and die by that. Nigga, don't put that tattoo on him unless he really, really mean it. Family, I'm big on loyalty. Yeah, so. So you really believe in that primetime click. So all of y'all, how many of y'all was in this primetime click? How many members was it? But rap wise, I believe like six to eight, I feel like we would like to cast money of our era. Like everybody brought something to the table. And what was your role in this click? Well, I rapped, but for me. Oh, you rap, you got boys? Let me get a beat, hold up. I know. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. The rock gon' be like, that's why, that's why. Yeah, it embarrassed the hell out of me that day. I know, but I feel like for me, I'm more marketing, branding, and just move my art. Like that's what I brought. That's your point. Well, you did the damn shirts on the video. Well, yeah. So that means something to me. I didn't know that. But yeah, I'm not gonna lie to you. At that time, my mind was on, man, I want to be a rapper. I want to be a rapper. I want to do that. And I'm still gonna paint these shirts. And I'm still gonna paint. And it was like my best friend, his dad told me like, your car is gonna be art. Like he's like, you can rap, like music, you good at it, but he's like. You wasn't that good, though. No, no, no, no, no, no. He didn't want to see. He's gonna say you bad. He ain't like my boy. Was he good? Yeah, I can rap. He wasn't that good in rap. I know it. I can rap. Yeah. I can rap. That's your, that's the one tell the truth. What did you just say earlier? That's the one tell the truth right there. That nigga tell the truth. That nigga, what's your name? Cash. Cash tell the truth. Cash is, he said you couldn't rap, man. I couldn't at the beginning. No, no, no, no, no, hell no. It's okay not to be a good rapper. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm, I'm cool with it. You really think that- Okay, well go ahead and give us some now. Yeah. Get with it. I ain't that cool. No, no, no, no. Drop up to 16. Hey, you like, mm. You, I mean give us some, you know, but like, like, Walla P did. Just come with it. Let's see. I ain't gonna lie to you. What? No. Oh yeah. She bein' on the table for you. Keep on bein' on the table. We gotta get on instrumental. So you really, you really, okay, what happened? What made you- So basically, when I look at everything, it's like, well, what's bringing money in for me? Okay. Artwork. I make more money doing art than I was making CDs, mixtapes and all that stuff. So I had to come to realization that, you know, music is just somethin' I love to do when I have free time or whatever like that. But I needed to direct my focus more on to the creative side as far as like artwork and everything like that. Cause I've been doin' that since four. That's what I had to love, passin' for before I got into doin' music. So. So, but you said how many people was in the prime time clip? It was probably like 16, 18. It was enough. It was a lot of people who just did different things too as well. So we had the artists as well as, we had like a skateboard team. Of course we had people who DJ had the promotion like, it was deep. Okay. So when Walk That Walk came out again, was you like, this is gonna be one? Yeah, I was excited. You was excited? Yeah. Cause the reaction that we got forward. Y'all was gettin' cause it was, all y'all gettin' the reaction. Right. And did you ever talk to, say Watts or DeRoe and say, hey man, we doin' it big right now? No, but it's one of the things where, we are interacting with each other, but we just already, it's one of the things we already knew. Like DeRoe's word at the, nobody can ever say like it's unmatched. Like his grind, like he be out there middle of the night. We doin' good. In the studio like, he be out there bobbing his head like, be like, damn bro, don't get no sleep. He been there mix and mastering his own stuff like. Oh. Yeah. So he basically was doin', he was a one man show, y'all wasn't doin' nothin'. Nah, everybody, nah, everybody did something, everybody could chill with him. Oh, oh, I just got that. I just got shot at DeRoe, one man show. Nah, I'm sure, but y'all about to do that. But I know, I get it, I get it. Startin' out, you do kinda, you wanna, you be just like in a zone. You know what I mean? So I get it, and y'all was in college cause I know, I could look at you and tell, you runnin' out of them little girls dorms and all kinds of stuff. You ain't never been out of Dallas. You go down now, and you start runnin' out of these girl parties, they party at Privy. Don't lie, you wasn't all about the music like you actin' right here. Yeah, it's a mess to your title. What? What? So, but no, no, no, I just know it's a, it's a party town, right? Like, you young, and you get ready to go to college? I feel like every college is a party town. Yeah, this is, like, but not like, but not like PV, not like, no. Have a name to it. So you really, yeah, y'all turned that thing out, bro? Yeah, we had fun. Like, that's what you do when you go to college, though. Well, it was a lot of music down there, bro. Oh, yeah, it was. Y'all was down there really kickin', and Dallas came through that real hard and live, so much so that it permeated into Dallas, Texas, from down there. Yeah, y'all did that. Shout out to them boys. Yeah, them boys down there, purr-viewed they some hell of a niggas. Yeah. Yeah, spelled it a primetime clear. That was, I don't like how you just laugh when you say that. No, because I know y'all really did it. Y'all get it hard, bro. Y'all get it harder than most. Ain't nobody did it like y'all. Yeah. Well, you put that on. Nobody did it like y'all. Like y'all made history. Right or wrong? Most definitely. I'm gonna say it, yeah. I'm just the one to bring it out in the interview, but I know what's going on. I think back, and ain't nobody else did that since it didn't really like that. There's lots of stuff down there. During that time, who was down there to party boys, who else? Yeah, party boys, Bones. Yeah, Bones, Bones, Bones out of Atlanta, Texas. Yeah, he straight out the country. Why you niggas, y'all had who else? Kirk O'Baines. You see what I'm saying? No, no, ain't nobody else did that like they come out of the preview like they did and did that music like that. No, yeah, you niggas is special. Think about it. We said the same thing when Dora was in here. Did her? No, yeah, we talked about a little bit, but not like we talking about hell. No, we going into it. Me and my boy here, he got something for him, baby. He got it tatted on his back. Hell, this nigga crazy. Does everybody in the clique have it tatted on their back? Nah, I think I'm the only one. I know what I just told you. It's one of the pairs. Not one of the pairs. Ace got one. Yeah, on his own. On his hand. Yeah, nigga. Yeah, yeah, he about this himself. Yeah, you got a big ass tattoo on your back. Yeah, I got the big ass tattoo on my back. You was serious about it. You know what I'm saying? From West Texas. That's right, yeah. But there ain't nothing wrong with it. You're an artist too, so you like creativeness. Well, yeah, and for me, like I say, everything that's tatted on me has a meaning anyway. So me getting it tatted on my back, along with ingenious, it's like, it means more to me than just a business. Like with family, how we move, like just that whole era coming up, traveling, going to different places. It's like.