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Any questions before we get going? I think. I think we're good. I think we're great. I think we've got the whole world. We're going to have the best DTNS episode today. Yeah. Right now. You know, my wife, before we get started real quick, my wife left for Los Angeles today, even though we live in Los Angeles. That's how bad the traffic is. They're having like a big company offsite in downtown LA, and they're paying for people who live in LA to stay in the hotel so that they don't have to drive there. Oh my gosh. If that doesn't say it all. So she packed and took an Uber. Oh, really? Yes. Because it's just like, forget it. I'm not going to sit in that traffic. In LA. In LA. Wow. I mean, it's like 10 miles from our house. LA is pretty vast, right? But still, that should only take 10 minutes on a freeway. City founders, they knew exactly what to do. Oh, sure. Oh yeah. Don't doubt their wisdom. Okay. You ready to go? Yep. Here we go. Back in the day, people used to get all their news from this box that was bolted to the sidewalk. They put a quarter in, and their news would come out. It's amazing how much things change and how much they stay the same. Today, I still get my news from a box, but that box is in my pocket. And now, it only costs a nickel. I went to patreon.com and searched for Tom Merritt, which brought me to the Patreon page for the Daily Tech News show. There, I pledged $1 a month, which works out to one nickel per episode for all my Daily Tech News. I encourage you to do the same. This is the Daily Tech News for Wednesday, June 1st, 2016. I'm Tom Merritt. Joining me today, Mr. Scott Johnson of The Instance, the morning stream of The World. Sure. I am the host of The World, and welcome to The World. I hope you all enjoy your stay. I'm doing great. It's an interesting week because we got a chance this week to rest a little bit before the craziness of a week and a half or so until we get E3 and WWDC. I took off any of things that are going to make this show shine brighter during that week than perhaps all year. Yeah. The press was very excited this morning about the fact that they got invited to the 10 a.m. keynote at the WWDC on June 13th, which we already knew was happening. Hey, they got an invite, and it said little things on it, which they can overinterpret about what it means, about whether we're going to hear something about Siri. But we know we always get OS X, iOS updates, probably not get product updates at WWDC. But then right after that, E3 is just happening. In fact, at the same time, in some cases, like EA and Bethesda on June 12th, then Microsoft, PC Gaming Show, Ubisoft, and Sony are all the same day as WWDC. It's crazy. Yeah, it's weird. I think Mark's an interesting point in time for both Apple and their own conference and for E3 as a big industry conference for the gaming industry because there's a lot of unknowns about both right now. There's a lot of sort of iPhone sales have slowed or the video game industry is shifting or E3 is not relevant anymore. And all of these questions are extremely interesting to people like us. So I'm really anxious to see how that barn burns down next week. The code conference, which is sort of the heir apparent to the D conference after all things D left with the Wall Street Journal's loving embrace and became recode is happening. We've got a few things from there. One of them is Mary Meeker's annual Internet Trends report. She is generally spot on not only about interpreting the statistics of what's happening now, but also kind of pointing the direction of where we think things are going to go next. So Scott and I will look over some of the main things she's found in there and talk about a couple of them in depth after we get to the headlines. Windows Holographic, which is the name of the version of Windows 10 that runs on Microsoft HoloLens is now available for companies who want to build mixed reality devices and that's what Microsoft calls the HoloLens. They say it's not all augmented reality. It's not virtual reality. It's a little both. So they call it mixed reality. The Windows Holographic platform includes the Holographic shell and interaction model. So that's the thing that can drive the HoloLens. The Perception APIs and Xbox Live Services. And basically Microsoft would like to see you build a bunch of stuff, augmented reality, virtual reality, mixed reality, whatever you want. And the Windows Holographic platform will allow those devices to communicate with each other, even if they're different kinds of devices. So your VR could communicate with your AR. Interested parties are invited to WinHEC in Shenzhen, November 1st to the 5th to learn more. Microsoft has been also talking with partners. They got all the names on board. ASUS, Intel, AMD, Qualcomm, HTC, Acer, CyberPowerPC, Dell, Falcon Northwest. HP is on there. iBuyPower, Lenovo, MSI, and they say many others. We talked about this a little in the morning stream this morning, Scott, and it is interesting to see Microsoft start to turn the HoloLens from a competitor with the Oculus and the HTC Vive, or at least an alternative, to more of a flagship device, a la the Microsoft Surface. Yeah, it feels like a such and a de la deal to me, where he's less worried about dominance of a certain platform and a certain narrow piece of market share and more interested in saying, look, we're talking about platform agnostic, intercommunication, devices that can talk to each other, regardless of what their core competencies may be. So AR people talking to VR people and vice versa and doing it in a way that is hopefully seamless and easy in their operating system being sort of a key component of that. That's all extremely interesting to me, because one of the things that starting to shape up with VR and AR is a lot of camps and a lot of sides and a lot of people shutting down what used to be sort of a lot of talk about openness and now kind of not so much, and then a lot of hackery happening over here. It's getting to the point where I would love a big name to step into the space and say, we'd like to bring everything together in some way. Whatever that takes form as, what that ends up looking like in the end is difficult to say for now, but I am very excited about what they're talking about. Yeah, and I think it is interesting the idea that I could be in virtual reality and have a virtual object that I could then hand to somebody who's wearing a HoloLens say and they could take that virtual object that maybe I created into a virtual construction set and put it in a real space because they're in augmented reality mode and they're like, look at that. In fact, the video that they made today shows those kind of use cases. It's a woman trying to set up a new retail space and so all the furnishings and decor are in virtual, but she's in the actual space and then she shares that with one guy who's in virtual reality and the other guy who's also got a HoloLens on but he's like in some special room and basically what they're talking about and that's why I think this is so interesting is they're talking about potentially a framework not unlike what we have with certain formats in two-dimensional space like JPEGs or PNGs or graphic formats, text formats, 3D file formats that we can work on on a Mac send to some guy on a PC who sends it to his buddy on a Linux box that is really all we're talking about except taking it to that next level and that kind of interoperability and potential for interacting, for collaborating for doing all the things in three-dimension and in visualization that we are already doing in 2D on browsers with devices that's really just a step away from that. We may see several different mixed forms here too because the platform supports tethered or untethered it supports translucent or opaque so yeah, it'd be interesting to see what they come up with. Well, they'll like me because I'm pretty translucent. Microsoft is selling 1,500 patents to Xiaomi along with some cross-licensing agreements. In addition, Xiaomi will install Skype and other Microsoft software on phones and tablets made by the company. Patents include voice, multimedia and cloud computing. I'm not a big patent expert or anything but 1,500 seems like no small number to me. It depends. It depends on what they are. You can talk about thousands and thousands like tens of thousands for some companies but it isn't a small amount for Microsoft to transfer. They are selling these patents to Xiaomi and Microsoft got plenty of patents so I don't think they're going to hurt from this. The speculation that I've read is that Microsoft was actually trying to get Xiaomi to sign on to their Android licensing scheme which they have gotten most Android manufacturers to sign on to and Xiaomi was able to negotiate with them to say if you want to make more money off of us you need to help us get outside of China because even within China they've been fighting patent disputes. As soon as they look at stepping outside of China, they're waiting for a hammer blow of patent lawsuits and Microsoft being one of those hammers this deal does two things. It gives Xiaomi some patents to defend themselves with by saying well hold on we've got patents on things too and it takes away one of the biggest hammers in Microsoft and of course Microsoft wins because they're trying to be able to provide the software to all the phones no matter what operating system is running. Doesn't that also give them again knowing very little about this segment of the market but does this give them a leg up when trying to penetrate US markets because we're talking about US patents here. Absolutely, absolutely. Well I don't know if they're all US some of them may be other markets but yes this definitely gives Xiaomi the chance to say well we know Microsoft isn't going to sue us and anybody else who might sue us in the US has got a little bit of weight to throw around and we could counter sue or do cross licensing or whatever. AMD's first polarisk based graphics card is AMD had a bunch of announcements at Computex we're going to talk about most of them. The Radeon RX 480 promises VR capable graphics 5 teraflops of performance for $199 starting June 29th so that could bring down the price of your Oculus or HTC Vive compatible PC quite a bit. The RX 480 will have 36 compute units with GDDR5 256 bit memory bus 256 gigabytes per second bandwidth it'll come in both 4 gig and 8 gig memory configs we're assuming the $199 only gets you the 4 gig config. It'll have DisplayPort 1.3 and 1.4 HDMI 2.0B outputs supports HDR video and AMD FreeSync and it has thermal design power of 150 watts so it's somewhere around the ballpark of the 1070 but quite a bit cheaper. Yeah and I would also argue that if you were going to buy a card today even a 980 TI today you're going to spend 200 or more dollars on that than this price and this outperforms that card if you ask me AMD's way to better compete with Nvidia a company whose cards I've bought for years they've kind of run out of ways to compete with them they're good cards they've always been okay but here's maybe a way to do it and that is be a lot less expensive. Yeah and for VR support particularly and that's where they're throwing all their marketing weight because yeah this doesn't necessarily improve in all the spec categories but it improves enough at the price point to say hey look you know if it wasn't the $700 you spend on the VR headset that was holding you up it was the $1000 you'd spend on the new PC well now maybe that PC will only be $800 and maybe that makes a difference. And that is far more palatable to me so I think this is a good move for them. AMD also announced Zen desktop CPU aka Summit Ridge love these names this is going to have 8 cores 16 threads promises 40% more processing power than AMD's existing I always want to say Excavator but it's Excavator chips. Cause you want to make an Excalibur I really do I want a real sword out of a stone I want to become king Manufacturers will get it in the third quarter of this year the desktop version will be followed with models for servers and eventually desktops. And AMD launched its 7th Gen A series APUs they call that advanced processing unit because it also has the graphics on board as well. You might have heard this code name Bristol Ridge the A9, A6 and E2 versions of the 7th Gen A series have a 15 watt thermal design power clock speeds of 1 gigahertz or more higher end FX A12 and A10 come in 35 watt and 15 watt variants with base clock speeds of 3.5 gigahertz and 2.4 gigahertz respectively. AMD claims the A9's use 41% less power than previous generations while watching 1080p video and the 7th Gen APUs feature support for HDMI 2, PCI E3, 4K, H.265, HVAC and VP9. HP NVX360 convertibles already on the market with the FX chip and of course there'll be more to follow. All right AMD let's see what you got. The OnePlus 3 phone will go on sale at 1230 Eastern time June 14th. There's a lot of things happening right around June 14th of Novus. The OnePlus will not require invites in order to purchase one although there is a really interesting court to this. You must join a virtual reality experience in order to order the thing right away and if you cannot enter the event or be a part of the event you can have the order open up to everybody who wants it at OnePlus.net at 3pm Eastern that very same day but that's a real interesting early adopter idea of not seeing something like this in a while. Yeah I wonder why they're doing it. They gave away something like 30,000 virtual reality headsets to test this. The whole reason they did the invites before was inventory management. It allowed them to make sure that they didn't oversell and have unhappy people waiting for their Oculus Riffs. I mean they're OnePlus 3's. So this is their first step into saying okay we think we've got supply chain under control enough to just have a regular sale but we're still going to do something weird and I don't know if that's just because they know their audience is used to having some special way to get access or whether it's just a way to stair step the demand so that they don't crash their site. I don't know. They could be just trying to tie their wagon to a cool in the note. We in marketing said to guys VR it's happening. Let's do this. There's no reason why we can't have a little fun with this and it feels okay because we do strange early adopter events already. So this is our one this year. I could see that meeting. The question is whether, I don't know, was this idea a year ago and now it's fizzle a little bit and people don't care as much. I don't know. It seems a little gimmicky to me but if you'd ask me last November I would have said oh this sounds great and I don't know what that is. Maybe it's just VR came and we're so early yet that things aren't quite as hypey as it was. They also haven't given us a whole lot of details on this. They say it'll be a step up from the one plus two but we don't know price or anything like that. Google announced an update to it's my account service. A new find your phone feature will let iOS as well as Android users locate, lock, call, secure an account or leave a call back number on the screen of a lost phone. Google offered most of these functions already for Android users but now if you're an iOS user it'll redirect you to the particular iCloud functions that mimic those things like finding or locking the phone and Google will allow you to directly call your phone or sign you out of Google services on the phone. You could already do a Google search for quote find my phone and it would bring you to your Android devices so now they'll add iOS to that and you can soon add the phrase I lost my phone to that list. You just type that into Google and it'll take you to my account and help you find your phone. My account could also now be launched from the Google app by saying show me my Google account along with the trigger phrase and soon you can get it just by searching your name on Google. That's another thing they're at and just put do a vanity search and suddenly it'll tell you where your phone is which is probably in your pocket. Big fan by the way of this. I like redundant security options for finding my phone. We already have a lot of two factor authentication when I have two factor I lost my phone. I think this is an interesting play to say you know what iOS users we know you have some of these functions in iCloud so we won't leave you out we'll give you a couple of things that we can do because we own Google voice we can call your phone for you and we'll just redirect you to the appropriate iCloud things as well. That is consumer friendly. I agree that is very consumer front facing and thank you very much Google for that I appreciate it. At the code conference Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos you know the one with the great laugh was asked why you can no longer buy an Apple TV or a Chromecast on Amazon. I can confirm this. Bezos also says he wants to sell devices that support Amazon Prime Video and that whole ecosystem and you can't always get the video player on the device with quote acceptable business terms unquote. When asked whether that meant Apple's 30% cut of the profits Bezos said that quote private business discussions should stay private which is a chant amount to him saying yes. Yeah I know right it kind of sounds that way I think he said a lot here though by saying yeah they won't we don't have Amazon Prime Video on those devices so we're not going to sell them and there's only one reason you don't have Amazon Prime Video on either of these and it has to do with some kind of revenue share and they want a better deal than everybody else gets and so they're like great we won't sell your hardware until you get us a better deal on Amazon Prime Video on your platform it's hardball. It is hardball and it's Apple and I assume Google with the Chromecast are playing equal hardball and I don't suspect we're going to have this work out for anybody real soon but man I wish my Apple TV could just do Amazon Video Prime if you're going to let me do it on my iPad let me do it there I know there's differences I can browse out and buy the stuff and then go back but do something and like even if it means I just signed into my Prime account like I don't understand why I can't just sign it well I guess that's the Apple side so yeah they're just going to keep fighting and we're going to keep getting screwed why do I have the ability to sign into Amazon Video on the I I mean I guess he must want to include store access without 30% because I can watch Amazon Video on my iPad like you say I just don't have access to the store because he doesn't want to give 30% to Apple and I guess he's saying you know what it's stupid to have that on Apple TV without the access to the store that that is probably the thinking and when I so here's what I do to get around it we've had some things we wanted to see on the big screen but can only get it on Amazon or want to get it on Amazon and I do often want to get it there I you can still do it through Airplay and have it show up on the screen I don't know if that's optimal it's an extra step it's a pain in the butt for people I'm kind of with the idea that they should come to some sort of agreement but hardball is hardball and they call hardball for a reason so yeah because it hurts we're in it for the long run if you don't catch it it hurts finally Sam's looking down to a 512 gigabyte PCIe solid state drive with non-volatile memory express you'll hear that called NVME that's half the size of a postage stamp and I'm not talking one of those super size postage stamps just their average postage stamp this snappily named PM971 NVME uses a single ball grid array that packs in 16 VNAN flash chips your DRAM and your controller in 20 millimeters by 16 millimeters by 1.5 millimeters of space crazy Samsung claims it can reach read and write speeds of up to 1500 megabytes per second and 900 megabits bytes per second respectively Samsung will start providing the new SSDs to customers this month worldwide that is a tiny 512 gigabyte flash drive that is amazing and that just is just I didn't know we'd get there so quickly I didn't know we'd get this small this just means you could stack up a bunch of those if you wanted and have an incredible array in a very small space oh yeah super thin laptops with lots of storage yeah that's been my dream yeah it's the you know eventually of course this isn't going to matter anymore I'm not going to have to check to see if there's room on my drives for I thought that was going to happen already but when we made the transition to solid state which I definitely find advantageous suddenly we had to hold back because it was more expensive because I could have like a 5 terabyte magnetic drive in my laptop right now relatively things went from oh I'm now getting 2 terabyte mechanical drives if I want this new fancy SSC stuff I got to start at like 80 gigabyte so now we're finally starting to catch up same with iPods and phones for example that was a big change going from like you know a gigabyte on your iPod 16 gig or 4 gig or whatever was on the original phone 8 gig how would you how did I live thanks to everybody who submitted things we used from our subreddit submit stories and vote on them at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com you guys are the best big thanks to our moderators Scotty Rowland, Kyle, Subgons, TG Steller and Jack Shid who make sure that all of that stuff works great and you can get in there and moderate you can't moderate leave that to them you can get in there and submit stories and vote on them if you got nothing else to do go stop by there's like 6,000 people in there submitting stories so you can join them or just vote on the ones they've submitted at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com that is a look at the headlines so for years, Kleiner Perkins Mary Meeker has compiled a yearly look at stats and trends that has become highly anticipated by almost everybody in technology among the highlights in this year's report that she gave at the code conference internet adoption flat year over year at 9% so it grew 9% but that's the same as last year internet is only reaching 42% of the world's population or is already reaching 40% of the world's population depending on how you look at it India is leading the charge there they passed the United States to become the number 2 global user market behind China other things live video is a skyrocketing trend led by snapchat and facebook messaging is being dominated by facebook and facebook's whatsapp as well as china's wechat and she argues that messaging is becoming our new home screen especially led by the asian messaging apps like kakaotalk and line that give you services beyond messaging people are starting to live in their messaging app google and facebook control 76% of the ad market and rising and she says that advertisers are not moving to internet and mobile fast enough because that's where the eyeballs are so it's still affordable and there's still a lot more growth to come there she also said his voice recognition goes from being 95% accurate to 99% accurate to make all the difference that's going to get much better google and android see 20% of searches from voice and amazon echo sales continue to grow she said finally also that tech might be bringing the auto industry back to the US but car ownership is going to fall stuck a little bit about self-driving cars and gave some reasonable projections about when we'll get there which is far away she even put a question mark under driverless cars not having to have a driver in the car at all we don't know when we're going to get there but the assisted driving there's like five official classes of autonomous cars and some of them are coming in the next few years but also just uber uber and lift and ride sharing is reducing the need for some people to buy a car so scott we looked through this and there's loads to talk about more than we could ever talk about but a couple of things that we noticed was this note that she said that easy growth is behind us and she talks about population is not growing as fast the economies are not growing as fast internet users obviously not growing as fast and smart phone shipments not growing as fast so we mentioned internet growth is flat and india is leaving leading the charge one of the problems here is that developed markets are saturated there aren't many people who don't have internet or phones that don't that don't want them and the developing markets are harder to penetrate because of cost in some countries smart phone costs you know 10% of your per capita income at least 1 to 10% and all the developed countries they usually cost 1% or less but user growth is slowing it's still growing on smart phones but 21% this year versus 31% last year so it's slowing down shipments slowed even more dramatically 10% to 28% and the largest market for smart phones is asia pacific that went from 35% growth a year ago to 23% growth so things are slowing down scott that's it it's all over we're going to have to make this the weekly tech show because it's just not going to be news right well i don't think you're going to have any trouble with that but i think this line this quote easy growth is behind us is a really important point and remembering that this this person mary is kind of prophetic when it comes to and i prophetic everybody alright make sure you get the right word out she this where we are with with chat apps something she mentions in this report is kind of something she predicted in previous years to a pretty striking degree how important those things would become and i remember talking to you about this maybe a year ago going i don't know if this chat thing is going to really and look at us now right what are they supposed to do sell stickers exactly but this idea that you can't just say alright well we've conquered america europe and now we've got china on board and whoever you are with whatever products you have you're like alright what other countries haven't got this stuff yet you're starting to butt up against actual obstacles that are a little bit more meaningful and not just oh we didn't know we could do this yet you're starting to run in economic things and cultural things and other reasons why the market share itself is becoming a thing you have to work really hard to get your share of and and i think this is actually good for the industry i am no economist but it seems to me that they're going to be forced they meaning google and amazon and apple and everybody who wants a piece of this pie as it quote unquote shrinks or becomes more you know more or less you know penetrated they're gonna have to be better at what they do to maintain who they have and to take from the others what they want and as brutal as that sounds that is a reality of that particular level of corporate strategy and i think it's actually good for us we'll end up having a more competitive market out there they're not obviously this report is really not talking about us we are part of the saturated market so it will be interesting to see if we make inroads in other places in the world but there's so many different kinds of obstacles up it isn't just which phone should i get or i don't like this operating system or do i really need 25 gigabytes more than you do those aren't their questions their questions are do we make any money at all is this country even have clean water let alone an infrastructure to support phones like like it's a whole different kind of things so how these companies react in the next couple years will be very telling about their future i think yeah and one of the things you have to do if you're looking at a market that's saturated and you're saying okay clocks ticking you know we saw Apple do this with iPods clocks ticking on music players we need to come up with something else and they very successfully went into the smartphone market and at the time i think we've all forgotten it was very surprising to see Apple go into the smartphone market meeker points out that iphone sales may have peaked in 2015 they certainly look like they might have now we're too close to the time period to tell for sure if it's if it's just a waiver in the chart as it slows down or if it's actually going to decline but she points out that as that peak seems to have happened amazon echo sales are just beginning to take off and then quotes andrew ing from by do one of their research scientists i think the leading research scientists by twenty twenty voice and image based searches are going to make up at least fifty percent of all searches so she says voice assistance whether they're on your phone or whether they're in a dedicated device like amazon echo are one of the big next platforms she says in twenty fifteen sixty five percent of smartphone owners surveyed were using their voice assistance may twenty sixteen one in five searches on android was voice based by by do voice has seen output which is text-to-speech grow twenty six times since q to twenty fourteen and input which is you talk in the phone grow four times and she's like there's a lot of reasons for this we speak a hundred fifty words a minute on average and yes some of you can type faster but most of us on average type around forty words per minute so you can get more out by talking to something and it's lower cost to build an amazon echo or a google home or whatever apple might come out with because you need a mike a speaker and a processor that's it connectivity in there and you're starting to see you're starting to see those two things happen two things are happening in tandem one is that that we are we are accepting the idea more and more as a as a technologically bound people to say our questions to ask our devices we were more and more comfortable with it and at the same time they are sometimes very incrementally and slowly but they are getting better at understanding our natural language the way that we're speaking the algorithms just get better and better and better we will get to some point we're going to call it a singularity we're going to get to some point where it will be able to distinguish it will be indistinguishable between me saying something to my wife and me saying something to my device and if I say I'm kind of hungry I could go for some eggs and bacon and my kitchen device will go no problem as we'll have it here in a minute like that is not sounding so sci-fi to me anymore and in fact I was telling you in the slack before the show to me it's a step past the Star Trek computer which seems like the holy grail we're all aiming for this omnipotent computer that can just answer our questions do what we needed to do when we needed to do it and this is even beyond that this is natural language and easy conversation and not a device that has trouble distinguishing accents and just can intuit a lot of what you're trying to say we're getting closer to that and these numbers bear that out in my opinion and they will only grow and that changes everything like that's a game changer across the board desktops mobile everything changes because how we need to interact and what we need to do if it comes down to a mostly talking to something tons of form factors are no longer needed the way things function in our computer lives completely get flip flopped in a lot of ways like it could be a real deep cutting change in, I don't know, 10 years maybe I don't know what the prediction is and it certainly isn't our forecast segment on current geek but it does feel like a big big big thing to me by saying 50% of all searches by 2020 our words permitted are probably relating to English but we're talking about it doesn't matter what language you speak in fact in some languages like Chinese where it's really slow to type this is getting faster adoption because it's just so much easier to speak to something than to try to type especially on a mobile phone and it's funny we've got KV-87 in our chat room saying I don't know I have to yell at mine or speak in a really robotic way it still doesn't feel natural yet he's not wrong that is where we are now that is what she was saying when I mentioned that going from 95% accuracy to 99% accuracy is going to make all the difference we're coming from a world of 80% or less accuracy so the stuff we have in our homes isn't as good as what they're able to do yet and they're getting better at it all the time she showed the growth over the past five years of voice recognition accuracy and yeah you don't want to wait seconds for an answer you don't want to have to restate your question in exactly the right voice that's going away that's what meekers pointing out these were the impediments up until now and we are getting past those yeah the difference is saying what's traffic like Siri what's traffic like on the I-15 and doing it in that meh meh meh meh meh meh meh hoping for an answer versus me going what's traffic like on I-15 and that thing telling me immediately without any hesitation that's the 5% we're talking about we're talking about this little bit of coverage space it's the long tail of this thing once we hit that oh man all bets are off everything changes well and one of the impediments personally that I have I don't use Cortana or Siri because I don't want to have to push the button and so hey and then the name Cortana is a life changer or you know saying the name that you have assigned to your Amazon echo is a life changer because no longer do I have to push the button to make it do the thing I can just talk that impediment made all the difference in me using voice assistant yeah and it's and it's literally that Star Trek that thing they did on on the show which was computer and it would go boop boop and you immediately start talking to it that's where we're there now to that point I I'm starting to feel like especially in Google's side of things I think okay Google's probably got the best in terms of actual information it can give you a lot of space of information because again it's Google they have that information that I feel like is Star Trek computer level stuff outside of being able to build me a hologram to go play you know whatever they've kind of nailed that level of it what we're talking about is just a step above that where it is like talking to people and the minute we can do this go watch the expanse and watch Miller talk to his little phone device and you'll understand the language I'm talking about audience and once we hit that I'm telling you all bets are off and my whole life changes and I'm ready for it I don't care what happens when I'm 90 and I'm setting my ways in every other way that is a huge deal and it would be good enough to be able to distinguish between a 90 year olds cracky voice and a young person's voice and somebody with a Chinese accent somebody speaking full Mandarin and across the board that's where we're headed if we don't think we're headed there then we are short-sighted and there's there's so many things that that become an advantage with this with this sort of behavior you you have context you have the ability to just carry on a conversation it's it's it is not there right now and we still see a lot of people the chat room like yeah but you have to do this you have to do that to make it work and like yeah that's that's where we've come in a couple of years that's where we've come to is like you can you can talk to your device you couldn't talk to your devices a few years ago I mean I remember on windows I want to say it was windows 3.1 I had a mic and a speech recognition program that blew people's minds because I had trained it you had to train it to recognize next next enter they're like oh my gosh you're controlling your computer like we have come from that to be able to speak largely in natural language and our big complaints are like it doesn't always understand what I say or I have to talk slowly like those and those problems are going away like improvements keep coming fast I would tell you as a small anecdote here's a modern day miracle in my opinion I had some old metallica playing in the kitchen on the echo playing through my phone I was just using as a bluetooth device and it was playing pretty loud and we had a bunch of people coming over for Memorial Day for a barbecue and they all came in and everyone's talking and it's loud and I'm even starting to feel like I better probably turn the music down and my wife who's just rushing around trying to get food everywhere and do everything she suddenly just pops her head up out of what she was doing and goes Alexa turn it down and it did and she did it in a way that wasn't Alexa turned turned down the music it wasn't like that it was like just turn it down and she did and that's crazy that that works you know and later I could say resume and it would come back up and play again or whatever and that's going to be the norm yeah I love that that is unusual with the echo let's not let's not oversell it like that happened to work because she happened to yell the thing that it's trained to listen and yelled it just the right level that she heard it and everything but that's just going to be how it works that will become the 99% way it works in the future I think it's really interesting so yeah that in the fact that snapchat I just want to go back to that stickers comment that we used to always make and I made it too like I don't know and I was making it like I guess they can make enough on stickers oh no they're coming up with all kinds we're talking about Kakaotalk in line in Japan they have become platforms for booking cabs doing online shopping all kinds of things that bring them money because they get a little cut of everything you do but snapchats even selling advertisements making way more money than they did when they sold the lenses because you want to turn your head into a taco 224 million viewers for Taco Bell Cinco de Mayo lens that turned your head into a taco yeah that's an ad that was an ad yeah those are and they're being sometimes they're they're not I wouldn't call them well here's what they're doing they realize that people using snapchat on the regular there's value in putting a taco on your head because money and yeah it's going to make your friends laugh and yeah it's going to maybe last 48 hours for everyone sick of it but you're thinking about tacos about Taco Bell and you're going to go so it's root it's really smart I don't know what it says about us I'm a little worried about that psychology but hey man whatever it takes to to grow your listen man I know there's that one person out there like I'm not fooled by that I don't go to Taco Bell you're right you're special we were getting maxi belts I want to go right now you just talking about it now I don't want to talk about so let's get to our pick of the day John A from whatever the weather feels like being Massachusetts says in a previous episode you mentioned not using the function keys with OS 10 because they don't do what they're supposed to do sometimes I used to not use them for the same reason and then I came across function flip from Kevin Gessner at KevinGessner.com it's a preference pain that allows you to individually switch each function key from its shortcut key to its standard F key has been updated since 2013 but it does work with OS 10 10.7 lying and up sometimes it doesn't start in login and you have to manually have started but this rarely happens and for me it's small price to play to get my function keys back so it may not be for everybody because you have to do a little tweaking and maintenance with it but if you're like you know what I want f5 to be f5 I don't want it to be dim the brightness you could use this to make it f5 again or assign whatever you want to it that's pretty cool function keys are completely I'm looking at my keyboard now now that I think about outside of the volume keys I don't use any of these so it'd be nice to have them back what I was actually saying when I said they don't work is half the time I press the volume up and it's like oh it doesn't work with that app but that piece of software doesn't recognize that key for whatever reason right so the brightness thing works but one of the other ones a lot of times the volume ones just don't work my brightnesses don't work but I've got my brightnesses anyway my bright keys don't work because I think the monitor I have is just not supported so that just doesn't happen otherwise the monitor is fine what else I guess the play, forward and back work for music but only in iTunes as far as I know so there's a lot of there's a lot of wasted space over here send your pics to us folks feedback at dailytechnewshow.com you can find more pics at dailytechnewshow.com a couple messages before we get out of here Gary in Minnesota said yesterday you were discussing tech things that were all the rage and then disappeared you mentioned how netbooks were all the rage but have now disappeared I'd argue that the term netbook has been replaced by chromebook same idea just came to fruition with a different name yeah but you could also make the argument that chromebooks haven't penetrated much either in terms of they are on the rise I hope that they continue because I really like them just being able to run android apps on them natively and all this stuff is really cool and I kind of want a new one but I also would argue that the term netbook faded away not because something very specifically a quote-unquote netbook went away but because macbooks got thinner and chromebooks came out and other computing devices from other manufacturers tiny little thin things from Dell came out that aren't technically called netbooks but all of the other stuff we expect from a laptop are in there so what's the difference yeah and to me there's a part of what netbook was supposed to be which is like oh you just live online and you use the netbook chromebook has definitely taken that standard up and I think that's what Gary means the other part of netbook was it's a tiny little computer that fits in your pocket not your pocket but your bag and that chromebook is not chromebooks are full size 12-13 inch screens and the larger the tiny part of it is definitely not there either but then again the market decided it didn't want that it also didn't want tablets in 2002 that had fans in them we're blowing on your hand the whole time you're using them we waited until that stuff made more sense and now we have tiny little thin very powerful devices like that and nobody's denying the power of a tablet today despite their decline I see what this point is and I say long live chromebooks they're awesome and then yesterday Patrick Beja and I were talking about how for him it was June 1st and we were debating whether that was spring yet or not because he said that he has always gone as I do by the solstice as the beginning of spring but that some people go by the first of the month and Mark the unofficial DTNS meteorologist wrote in to weigh in on the start of summer I'm sorry I said spring I meant summer he said you should know that boreal summer that's the northern hemisphere starts June 1st as far as the weather enterprise is concerned most often you'll find us making the seasonal breaks as June, July, August, September, October, November etc etc in three month blocks so do not be pressured by solstice equinox lovers it is just fine to say June 1st is the start of summer and white pant wearing season so they break it up into quarters that's super interesting I didn't even realize that nor did I know they refer to themselves as the weather enterprise yes the weather enterprise you want to get out of that drought talk to the weather enterprise yeah no thank you Mark for the unofficial DTNS meteorologist I love that we have an unofficial DTNS meteorologist that's great and thank you Scott Johnson what's going on what do you have to tell folks about so many things too many things we got that work rep movie coming up you're coming next week it's a week from tomorrow so come on well now you're coming a week from tomorrow and then it's like two days after that is the movie Saturday's movie opens Friday though right that is correct one exciting point I wanted to talk about and that is that during E3 while I will not be in LA for the proceedings of E3 and don't think that that's not a bad thing that's a good thing nobody really wants to be there but we're going to be doing a ton of coverage from right here myself and Patrick Beja will be back in Finland by then are going to cover all the 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Professor Xavier there is one for no wait we'll have it simmer down Alexa raise your voice there's also raising your voice in parenthesis assistant usage it's a pretty short list today maybe people haven't I'm talking here hey I'm talking here that's not bad computer make me some eggs I like that I really like that for some reason I don't know why because it has a bit of star trick in it yeah should we go with computer make me some eggs or are my nuts I like that one I like it well timed Steve eye he caught me at the right moment well done sir listen I like I appreciate all of the votes for my pronunciation those are votes of love a special mention though goes to ICUs AI I'm talking here I think that's funny yeah I'm talking here Mr. Terpster he does the worst New York guy it's the best worst he told me the funniest story we were on hypothetical help and he was talking about that viral video of him and and he said the part nobody knows about is they were all at that screening in London and he he can't fit in normal seats at all because he's so tall so he has to when he does that he has to sit out in the aisle with the steps like where people walk down to go get their seats and he has to sit in the middle there like for a whole movie because there's nothing to take a guy who's six foot eleven so there you go and he did it willingly he's like yeah I'm used to this it's just the way he lives his life I guess I mean he is just Matt he's a I mean that's why he plays Hodor he's a very tall person enormous person he's just a formidable and the sweetest guy yeah we've had him on Sword and Laser and he's a big Warcraft fan I love he's been on the instance twice he's so nice on there and he's always been just willing to he wants to come on again we keep talking about it I think he may have more time now but you know wait a minute why is that spoiler I'm just saying because they're not shooting right now in season five there was they didn't need any scenes he'd had some time away that's true that's all you're saying I was going to hand around it two o'clock and two fourteen Tom your voice was kind of echoey for like maybe ten seconds or so and then it went back to normal yeah I heard that too in fact I hear it right now oh I hear that on Roger's but not before not when he's yeah let me I'm going to mute myself okay yeah now I don't hear it I never heard it it wasn't like it was being picked up by someone's microphone and then broadcast after speaker it felt like maybe a codec delay or something but if you didn't hear it Scott it probably didn't make it into it probably was just on my end yeah at least I didn't notice it I've heard it before on the show but then you guys didn't notice it because I'm using the mic on my webcam like last week Tom had a moment where it sounded like he digitally stuttered through something I figured that out that was actually the computer memory had to restart because it caused a problem with something I recorded too that was a different thing now all good yeah unless we could figure out what it was I don't know what to do about it okay sounds minor rare sounds like a Namble meeting while you're holding a baby she doesn't know how to say this sounds like a Namble meeting that was funny creepy bit funny if you'd like more of this kind of wisdom check out East meets West I really liked your episode last night that was good new episodes. All new episodes. A new season of The Best of Eastmeats West. I love to hear it. Yeah, we counted seasons by like every four years. Yeah. Well, it's funny. When we did episode one, I called the album title The Best of Eastmeats West as a joke to myself. Because if we only have one episode, this is The Best of Eastmeats West. I've called that's the album title in the ID3 tags ever since. Nice. But now it's a joke on the other end of like every single episode is The Best of Eastmeats West. They're all the best. You can't have a favorite episode. They're the best. Although, you know, I mean. That's like having a favorite dog. You have multiple children. Do your kids ever bug you? Who do you like the best? No. We've never had that conversation that I know of. I don't think Kim has either. Now, once in a while, I'll say something that's specific to one of their sets of talents or something. Like, if Carter draws, so I'll say to her. Or they both get to be in the house, and I'll say, hey, Carter, you got to look at this. You totally appreciate this. And then Nick will go, oh, because I wouldn't. He'd say something like that. Then I'm like, you get over here, too. If you want to, you know, like, well, we usually blur right through it. But no, they've never done that whole who's your favorite or any of that. Do you ever say, no, you can come look. But you want to appreciate it. Yeah, you want to appreciate it. You all like it. Yeah. Because you're not the one that would like it. You'll think it's dumb. I'm just saying. We try really hard not to label them, but, yeah. You're not my favorite, so you're not going to see this. Tom, you'll appreciate this. I got a private I am from the path on Hulu. They had seen me tweet about how much I like the soundtrack and enjoyed the season. So they sent me this message says, hello, friend. We have reason to believe you're interested in climbing the ladder with us. The Meijerist movement has something special to mail you. If you're interested, please respond with your full name and address. We promise not to share it or store it in the future. And so I think they're sending me a t-shirt. I assume that's all in universe language. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's the show's all about some weird cult and. Right, right. And I still watch the entire show. What if the show is actually run by a cult? This is their way. You just think it's marketing to begin with. Next thing you know, you're in Guyana. Well, I'm going to admit something here. Part of me read that, and it felt creepy. Like just part of me was like, ugh. Let's take it down a notch, guys. It's already weird in the show. But then I backed off and everything. Are you sure you were supposed to read that out loud? Yeah, as far as I know, the door's being knocked. I'm not happy with what's happening. It's like turning awfully hard. I don't know what's happening. Ugh, the phone rings. Oh, man. Do you watch Wayward Pines? No, but I've heard it's awesome. That's their deal. It's like the phone rings. That means something. Do you like it? It's fine. Like if I squint, I can pretend I'm watching Twin Peaks, kind of. OK. But it's that kind of. Yeah, it's not bad. It's not bad. I'm into that. It's kept me interested. OK. I like that kind of stuff. Yeah. The biggest problem is they're sort of trying to split the difference between an anthology show and a series. So they're picking up a few years after last season and with a new main character. And so I'm like, OK, let's see where we go with this, I guess. Yeah, sometimes that stuff works, I guess. Yeah. You heard, you know Joe Hill is, right? The Stephen King. That's Stephen King's son. Yeah, I read Lock and Key. OK, so his new book, Fireman, goes to be really, really cool. It's about people who spontaneously combust. Here's my question. Why is it that I'm so interested in that kind of genre fiction? It's totally interesting to me. What, the spontaneously combustible? Or his dad's book The Stand is one of my favorite books of all time. I love not necessarily zombie apocalyptic fiction necessarily, but I love End of World. Oh, man, yeah, I love apocalypse stuff. I just can't get enough of it. I don't know what it is, yeah. I think it's a fascination with the fact that we're not. I don't know. Yeah, it's weird. I wonder if you would like the, so I just, I'm in the middle of the second book, but there's a series called The Hater Series. I don't know if you've heard of it, but it's a British author, and it's all set in London. There's a lot of Britishisms in it, but there's this point in time where people changed. They became labeled haters, but basically what happened is they changed, and if anyone around them was not changed with them, they would have an uncontrollable urge to murder everybody who wasn't them. Oh, wow. And it became this. It's a little more than hating. Yeah, but they just call them haters, but they basically divide society into two chunks, the unchanged or just normal people trying to survive, and then the haters who, if they're among their own kind of other change, they're fine. They're just like normal society, and they're trying to survive as well, but they cannot coexist with those who were not changed. It's this weird idea of almost like they went rabid in only one way, and that's just against those who aren't them. Now, if you are hating on the haters on Twitter, you're just a hater-hater. Then you're a hater-hater, and then if you are a skateboarder, you're a hater-hater-skater. Okay. More than eight in it, though. Right, obviously. Anyway, the reason I say that is just, I don't know. Yeah, no, that's intriguing. I love that stuff. I don't know what it is. I'm way more interested in stories about what if than I am about what is sometimes. Maybe that's reflective of just where I'm at right now. Well, yeah. I mean, to me, it's more entertaining because, I don't know. I'm tempted to say a lot of flippin' things, like, well, I got enough drama in my life without reliving somebody else's. I had a hard enough time growing up without reading about somebody else growing up, but that's just silly. If it's really well done, it's still fascinating. Sure. But yeah, maybe there's just sort of a need for escapism or something. I don't know. And I feel like I'm doing this with comics, too. Like, I'm way more into this comicsology subscription than I would be Marvel Unlimited because I don't know. I just feel like I'm getting stories that I haven't heard already. Yeah, yeah. I think that's what it is. I'm interested in things that aren't just rehashes or if they are, they have such a unique twist that it just throws me. You know, and I think it ties in a little bit into the spoiler stuff because people who are really against spoilers are like, I'm in it for being surprised, right? And what is one of the biggest nitpicks of a movie is like, it was so predictable. A mainstream literary fiction story about coming of age is entirely predictable because you know she's going to come of age, right? Like, that's how it ends. If puberty is over. Yeah. People that like rom-coms, like my wife loves dresses. I watched it with her and I went, oh. You get a, if you're looking for unpredictability and a story that surprises you, then that's not the right kind of story. You get something else out of those stories. You get to live the emotions of those people. And if you're not interested in that, you're like, I don't really want to live the emotions of those people, then that kind of story is not going to appeal to you. I don't know, that's my best guess. I think you're probably right. I think that's why, like, the season of Game of Thrones so much because it's all stuff we haven't been told yet. Yeah. And it's not just, you know, story points or spoilers and those story points, but it's, I just feel like new things are happening that I didn't already get previewed because I read the books. I don't know. I'm really enjoying this season though. Totally. Yeah, me too. It's hit. This last episode was a little slower. Yeah, maybe compared to the rest of the season so far. I mean, that final Mel Gibson, that on the Scottish Plains speech by Daenerys on the Dragon was something else, man, that was great. I mean, there were moments like that, but generally speaking, you know, also I'm, Mel, I'm gonna get into spoiler territory, but Aria's storyline was abrupt, I thought. Kind of, you know. Yeah, it feels like they're skipping through a lot and obviously they are to get us, to get us somewhere a little faster because we're like, really? We spent all that time with Jacque Hagar? Like, that was a lot. Maybe it pays off. Maybe something she's, you know, something she has learned will come up. I think she will and it will and I think she'll defeat Know Who, but I just like the, I've really liked that and I've been willing to go slow with that because I find that fascinating. There's something very gothic and weird about that whole bit. And then have it all turn on a dime like that was just, it kind of threw me a little bit. Good though. Really good. All right. Well, that is it for us. Thanks all for watching and we will talk to you tomorrow. Bye, everyone. Bye, Ellie. Bye, Ellie.