 Good, it's it's good that you should eat you need food Big thanks to Amos for filling in last week. I was great. He was awesome It's good to know We have Butter in a bar Yeah, that's why it's too like it's literally just a peanut a bar of peanut butter is not it's like peanut butter flavored bar And my mouth is getting dry just thinking about it's just peanut butter and they put more peanuts in it So it's like in like a peanut butter bar, and then they put peanuts All right, Jen, don't forget you have to introduce yourself and there's no Sarah Lane to wait on And you know about the the color cues, right? If you look at the rundown Yeah, I've taken too long, which hopefully will not be a problem So orange just means say you should probably start right up There's about roughly 40 to 50 seconds left before we need to move on red is like alright But for the quick hits we're literally just like you're doing headline. I'm doing headline No, no, no, no, no back and forth. Okay, great Yep, well shall we get started then? Actually, can I take a really quick break right now just to go turn one more thing off Yeah, I'm really fast. Oh, yeah, go for it. Go for it. No problem When you said I want to take a quick break I don't know why but my brain and I knew this wasn't what she meant at all but my brain's like, you know to take a nap or have a go go get a drink somewhere and My favorite my favorite taco truck just rolled by so yeah, do you mind? I don't have a favorite taco truck. I Don't either there was a taco truck that used to come to the worksite of the house next door when they were working on it And it was really good But it doesn't come by anymore Which is funny because there's two other worksites now in the same neighborhood, but they never show up for that I think you have to call them like you have to make it part of the con the the building foreman Yeah, like hey, you know And I'll let my guys out to go eat get your tacos I've been wondering I know this this is weird off-topic food But I've been wondering about like some places out in central nice to LA where they have the little stands that pop up Like in the parking lots. Mm-hmm. I've been tempted to go by when I drive by Yeah, you probably should It looks pretty good. They have they have one of those in front of the Japanese grocery store over here Where they have the big cylinder of meat? Ah The cylinder of weight cylinder meat. Yeah, it kind of looks like hero meat, but it's for tacos Yes, probably bought by the Lebanese immigrants. Oh Righty Everything good well, um, so the destiny to expansion launch today in my ps4 was like, I'm going to update like Okay All right here we go Thanks to everyone who supports a Daily Tech news show directly to find out more and get some perks head to DailyTechnewshow.com slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Tuesday, September 4th 2018 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt. I'm Jen Cutter And from the edges of the LA Empire and now recent actually I'm I was already a dad Get through it. I'm my name is Roger. I'm the producer the show Uh, Jen Sarah Lane is is not here today. She's off, but she will be back tomorrow We're very happy to have Jen with us filling in right. It's great to have Roger back, too And thanks to Amos for filling in last week real quickly Roger. How's the new baby? It's alive Okay, no, that's that's a very positive thing to have happen I know there's they really don't do much at this point She's healthy. She's good. That's good. That's good. All right Let's start with a few tech things you should know IDC's estimates of the wearables market are good news for pretty much everybody with a 5% rise in the total market for wearables in Q2 Decline and fitness trackers is slowing And sales of smartwatches is making up the difference Apple raised its market share 4% to keep the top spot Xiaomi took second followed by Fitbit Huawei and Garmin in that order 46.6% of wearable shipments, however comes from outside the top five So it's still anybody's game Major market growth happened in Asia Pacific Latin America Central Eastern Europe and Middle East in Africa So it's also a worldwide market Samsung's DJ code told CNBC It's time to deliver a foldable smartphone since survey show consumers want one Co said development was complicated But nearly concluded and applied an announcement might happen at the Samsung developer conference in November in San Francisco So yes, those pictures aren't fake Amazon has launched a version of its site in Hindi Indian shoppers can switch between English and Hindi Those are the two official languages of India You go to the top left menu of the mobile site or the Android app There's no word on when or if it's coming to iOS or the desktop Around 44% of people in India speak Hindi and the New York Times sources say Amazon's also planning rollouts in Bengali Tamil Kanada and Telugu Microsoft is rolling out a refreshed outlook as part of the coming soon feature in Outlook for Windows and an opt-in feature for the web version of Outlook the updates include revamped UI That's more consistent with other office apps Intelligent highlights visual changes and will come to the monthly channel and targeted release programs first Yeah, let's talk a little more about a new look that Google has got going on Google launched Chrome 69 Cross-platforms Windows Mac Linux Android iOS They all got it the design has rounded shapes a new color palette simplified prompts and menus and tabs that make icons easier to see That's a huge help for me in preparing for this show the address bar or as Google calls it the omni box Can now give you answers to questions without needing to open a page So if you're asking about an event or what the weather is or translations, you'll just get a little card Pop up with the answer There's also a more accurate auto fill for addresses in the like Chrome's password manager now tries to make you choose unique passwords for each site and sites with HTTPS No longer show secure as a way of trying to make you realize that secure should be the default They are going to start labeling HTTP sites as not secure as this rolls along Have you have you gotten the the new update yet? You can kind of force it to happen or you may kind of roll out over the next day or two I tried to force it this morning. I've still got the old-school look here There was one feature I want that they didn't talk about I want a way to not autoplay gifts everywhere Oh, yeah That's like that's like the one thing I want like all other stuff is great and cool Even though I'm not huge on rounded edges, but I know everyone's doing it I got it this morning on on my laptop that I prepped the show on and I like you was like I don't know if I want a big design change. It's subtle. It's really subtle It basically just takes away the the sort of v shape of the tabs And the tabs are now just right next to each other except for the active tab Which has that nice like chamfered edge looking Thing but but the the icons definitely do pop out better now In this new design. So I do like it for that The rest of it is all stuff I I expected And I I'm sure will come in handy. I did not Try out the omni box asking questions I'm a little skeptical because usually the top thing that comes up on google when I ask questions Is only actually what the answer I was looking for about 50 percent of the time these days Yeah, and then That might also mess with people like me who I have it generally set to like wiki or Merriam-Webster depending on what I'm working on at the time. So yeah, yeah Well, what else is going on? Let's see the european union has reached a preliminary agreement on rules to require streaming services to carry at least 30 European made content in their libraries Individual countries can mandate up to 40 percent and require a minimum of that amount be made in their specific country Surcharges on subscription fees can also be levied to pay international film funds Netflix already does this in germany and a vote is expected to pass and the rules become law in december Companies will have 20 months from then to apply the rules. So I know canada's CRTC is is going through this the same sort of deal where broadcasters have had Requirements for locally originated programming for a long time And this is the european union saying we are absolutely going to apply this to streaming companies What's interesting is netflix is already about at 30 percent as it is It'll be interesting though to see because France croatia, you know all all the countries can make their own requirements if that will cause problems Because if you know, I don't know if croatia decides to make 40 percent requirement in croatia be european and 90 percent of that has to be croatian That's going to change the flavor of the netflix profile quite a bit definitely in canada They kind of sidestep the tech the usual crtc process by saying look just we're going to give you guys 400 million And spend it in different sort of ways and going through like Then going through like this strict kind of way that the other broadcasters around here have to adhere by So even though I think it's going to be especially messy in the european union for a bit I think three years from now It's going to be fascinating to see the academic studies that come out to see How this has affected regional productions around the world because I believe strongly in these Kind of initiatives to having these cultures represented in content so you can see yourself you can see your culture I love when these things get exported and I get to watch these tiny shows from other nations So i'm kind of excited There's an argument that you didn't need this because of the way netflix is going But I I do agree with you that The variety of programming you get because of these sorts of initiatives is great I mean look at what netflix has done already on its own With japanese programs and indian programs and german programs and brazilian programs That we all have access to internationally and wouldn't have otherwise I think that's the coolest thing about this is is not only that it it helps foster creativity within a market But then because of the way netflix does its business it allows us to all to benefit from it worldwide Coming out of the five country ministerial meeting last week governments of the u.s uk canada australia and new zealand issued a statement of principles on access to evidence and encryption A lot of debate about what actually is meant by any of this The statement maintains that privacy laws are needed to prevent arbitrary or unlawful interference, but That privacy is not absolute Okay, the statement acknowledges that encryption may make access to information impossible, but Such instances should be rare The statement further calls that technology companies should voluntarily work to achieve lawful access, but Doesn't explicitly call for backdoors. It's like every time you think it's either a good or a bad thing There's a but that flips it on its head They also say it's not a one-size-fits-all technology solution If impediments to lawful access remain the five ice countries stated They may pursue technological enforcement legislative or other measures to gain access I don't know about you gem But this whole thing struck me as we want to say a thing But we also realize this is a really tough problem. So we're going to say all the things and not have any solutions I think we're only really going to hear about this thing when somebody shows up at def con and says and here All the backdoors that have been there all along What I what I will say about this statement is it does say like we don't mean backdoors We we understand the privacy is important But we want to have our cake and also have eaten it Would somebody please solve that could you make it so that we will have eaten the cake? But it still sits on a plate in front of us That's the problem We're trying to solve technology and we need your help and we'll pass a law to make it that if you don't Help us figure this out Yes, I want to staircase that goes up and down and I wanted to connect at both ends and I I will I will try to be positive and say the fact that they included all of the things that are true about privacy And backdoors in the statement while still saying but we want all of this other stuff is in fact some sort of odd progress Okay, I'll give them that yeah All right, microsoft has added another chapter to the long running redesign of skype A long long running redesign of skype this time removing the snapchat like highlights feature that was implemented last year The redesign will instead focus on what people actually use skype for specifically voice calls video calls and messaging The redesign desktop app will move chats calls contacts and notifications into the main upper left navigation panel Yeah, this is really interesting Because they're quickly backpedaling on something that proved unpopular with a large segment of its audience They are definitely acting as if they were surprised that wasn't popular Which I think is Becoming a more common thing as companies are able to listen more but can't listen to everyone That they did some focus groups that didn't include the folks like us who use skype for certain things and that got left out So hopefully this is going to improve that sort of listening But I like what microsoft's doing saying what was really important about this change honestly was the code base We're doing some some java. We're doing some react It's going to be a shared code across mobile And desktop platforms so that we can implement things like end to end encryption easier Because we can implement them in the shared code base and we don't have to redo it five times That's all the important stuff and the only thing that got attention Was the snapchat like things that nobody liked and so they're like great We'll get rid of those that wasn't the important part of this this new version of skype anyway Yeah, if they could fix the skype for business, they'll have a lot even more happier people But that's kind of like a rebranded link. So that's a whole other one That's the idea is this skype for life as it's called this is supposed to be the replacement for everything Uh, and and that that obviously upset a lot of people who wanted to use the old skype. They're not Saying that you'll still be able to use the old skype forever But they are going to leave the old version of skype operational Until they've made the new version that has the shared code base feature Complete so that there you won't lose any of those features like being able to have multiple windows open when you have one I have multiple chats and calls going on Our report in the new york times shows revenue growing at traditional retailers Yeah revenue growing at brick and mortar retails you heard me right Consumers are spending more money in physical stores Number of stores closing has slowed. Yes. We just had toys or us go belly up But the number of those instances the borders of the world That is finally slowing down We've had fewer store closings to date than we did at the same date last year The number of stores closing slowed Has partially been attributed to stores like target Nordstrom and walmart working to make their in-store shopping easier And integrating it with a good online service target has a decent shopping service walmart has greatly improved its online shopping service So they have features like picking up mobile orders in the parking lot dropping off returns without needing to talk to a clerk You just slap a label on it dump it in a box at Nordstrom's Personal shoppers at walmart that can select your groceries and then just bring them out to you on the curb I I love this story because it's one of the things that I have been thinking was going to happen for a long time I just didn't know when which was we're not going to lose all the stores It's that the stores who figure out how to play in this new online world and leverage the advantage of a physical location Are going to end up being even better As places to shop and that seems to be what's happening Yeah, a lot of the stuff I have not seen locally in canada because a lot of these stores aren't here But I have definitely spent more money in physical stores lately than I have online by An exponential amount now my shopping starts online But because these companies like walmart for example have gotten so much better about their inventory tracking I look for what I want It tells me which stores around here have it and then I just go and get it There's no waiting. There's no shipping cost I'm I'm going to jump in here as someone who frequents both the online and brick-and-mortar Marketplaces I have to say the one thing that really turned things around for a lot of stores at least that I that I patronize is price matching Best buy fries a few a few others Off the top of my head will go and say hey, you can get this particular product whether it's a hard drive or whatever We will price match it if it is from amazon.com in other words if it's being sold directly by amazon and it's like You know 199 instead of the you know normal price of 230 we will match that price And I will go to the store and buy it because I want it now I don't want to wait two days because I need you know If if my laptop's on the fritz or something I need to fix it immediately That's been a big part of best buys turnaround Was was price matching but but the other part is making it pleasant to go to a store again Uh up up until the 2000s the idea with retail was make people spend a lot of time in your store So they accidentally pick up other things they didn't know about but that's an unpleasant situation for you as a consumer Which is why if you can go to amazon and just have it sent to you a lot of people like Yeah, that's a much better than having to navigate that gargantuan big box store over there So target is actually making smaller stores. They're making them easier to find the things you want It's it's ending up You know being one of those rare things these days, which is a positive effect of technology on the real world Is is there any generous? Are there any other uh examples that you can think of? Uh that are canadian specific beside. Yeah, I know you mentioned walmart But are there other chains up there that are doing things like this that are interesting? Uh, I've mostly been using it. Uh, so like the three stores that I've been shopping at mostly Costco Which has their like local and online things separate depending on what you need walmart Gay and tire and home depot are like the ones that have great inventory tracking It's like I need this and then also when you want to go to the store Here is the aisle and like bin number you can find it. Oh, that's a yeah, that's that's thanks so much faster I can go in it's a speedrun. I go in get exactly what I want to see how fast I can get out Are canadian tire bucks a cryptocurrency yet or has that not happened? There's the you can get it all digital now. So you don't have to hoard these stacks of money Step down the road. I guess It's getting there Folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines dot com Let's take a little deeper dive into one of these stories the 2018 asian games Finished up this weekend. They held esports tournaments as a demonstration now if you're not familiar with the asian games They are an olympic style celebration so olympic style Physical sports, but they included esports this time as a demonstration We've mentioned this before on the show The hope is that esports will be a medal event in four years at the next asian games in china And that maybe this will show that they should be considered for inclusion in the olympics Well, the president of the international olympic committee thomas bach was at the asian games and told the associated press We cannot have in the olympic program a game which is promoting violence or discrimination So-called killer games. I've never heard anyone call it killer games. All right. I get what he's talking about They from our point of view are contradictory to the olympic values and cannot therefore be Accepted now. He did not specify which games he classifies as killer games. We'll get to that in a second Don't forget you too that bach is a former gold medal fencer Which is fencing based on sword fighting seems kind of violent But he said and I think this is fair Of course every combat sport has its origins in a real fight amongst people But sport is the civilized expression of this if you have games where it's about killing somebody This cannot be brought into line with our olympic values And some people are mocking him for that, but I think that's fair like fencers don't get to stab each other That's an important part of olympic fencing, right? so the games that he Was watching in the esports turning out asian games that inspired him to say this about killer games Were the following arena valor clash royale hearthstone league of legends pro evolution soccer and starcraft 2 Most of those Don't have killing or it's certainly like not the kind of killing that he seems to be implying of like, you know Shoot him up like call of duty type games. Yeah, like it wasn't call of duty It wasn't counter strike, which is a huge esport Which also right banded about as a potential olympic thing except for the whole terrorist counter terrorist planning bombs thing But yeah, I feel like he's reacting more to the jacksonville tragedy than The actual content of half of the games there That's an interesting point. They did acknowledge that the the the folks who run the asian games Said, you know like hey, we're we're very cognizant of this and and express their sympathies But they said we think this is more of a Violence and gun issue in the real world than it is a video game issue. That that was the official asian games line Yeah, it was a a very smart response to that For some other previous demonstrations for it's a long side They've done forza the racing game Which makes sense I always expect that at some point you'll see a fighting game in there because you have like actual judo and karate competitions and then where they actually kick people in the head versus the Nobody gets kicked in the head except that, you know, you just see it happen on screen Right So I wonder like when they're going to get to that point if or if that counts as part of the violence of the game Even though they get up next round and you can tell nobody doubted. Yeah, so so uh, The president bach was was speaking specifically of killer games. I'm assuming doesn't mean judo I'm assuming he also doesn't mean pro-evolution sucker Yeah, I I have to think that like the sport games are probably going to get a free pass same with racing I I do think it's really interesting what you just brought up There's an argument back to him that says look people get concussions from boxing from judo Uh, it's dangerous. Wouldn't it be better? If the olympic sport of of these these games was a video game where no one could get hurt I'm certain that people will be raising that argument and then You also have situations like the nhl So nhl players were not playing in the last olympics, but nhl is an esports is gaining some traction and also is sponsored by the nhl now Yeah, what happens if that gets popular enough to make it now? Will will that be allowed in or will that be again a rights issue with the names and You don't have the same insurance costs because no players are getting hurt in that sense like you have actual other kind of player injuries, but they're not Concussion based they're not career ending in that same sense Well, and there there is a whole conversation we had some folks in our chat room Are having this conversation right now, but whether esports is in fact An olympic sport right you don't have auto racing in the olympics Because i'm not not trying to step on auto racing fans toes, but it doesn't fit the definition Of of of the physical sport that the olympics has decided to put out there So i can see an argument along those lines to say hey, it's a great competition. It's a great sport It's not an olympic sport. That would be fine, but that's not what bach was saying But we could have that discussion But that's now he was saying the problem was these are killer games and honestly I mean legal legends arena valour baby clash royale But the only one's even close to that And they're not and they're they're fantasy. So Yeah, it's very hard to have a real world Equivalent to that sort of match You could make kind of some ar comparisons and possibly come up with some sort of real world Fantasy playground that would be very expensive to put together Which would be really fun, but also still not an olympic sport because that is very highly technical, but I don't know if I'm a former internationally competitive athlete and I chase the olympics for many many years I also love video games and I've been reporting on them for most of my life I don't know if I want these two worlds together. I think that the e-sports world is growing just fine on its own it doesn't need the ioc and It's it's such a complicated thing like e-sports has reached its own legitimacy and does not need the approval of these other bodies anymore Well, and I think That may be what the olympics risks is pushing e-sports into making a decision that is Good for e-sports and not so good for the olympics, right? Um, you can argue and I think I think you you you sort of hit it on the head Like it's not obvious that these belong in the olympics and e-sports is doing fine on its own A world cup of e-sports makes perfect sense, right? A world championship of e-sports or if not a world cup makes perfect sense In some ways to my mind it makes more sense than including it In even the asian games certainly if not the olympics because again, we don't we don't have poker in the olympics So should we have hearthstone in the olympics? And every e-sports has its own mega event How do you throw something like the international? Alongside something like evo these are different crowds with different time requirements for matches with different qualifications And so like the international like you're filling these stadiums Endlessly there's huge lines. How do you throw multiple events like that together? How do you manage the hotels? How do you get everybody in the same city? The scale of this is so huge for each individual e-sport How can you possibly throw like six of these events together at once? You're gonna wreck a city Now you're starting to make me You're starting to influence me that maybe it is better as an olympic sport as an olympic style thing Because that's what the olympics does. It says well, we don't have one competition We have track and we have swimming and we have multiple competitions in each of those e-sports isn't a sport It's multiple sports Maybe there needs to be an e-sports olympics It maybe shouldn't be part of the normal olympics But but but that That scale that you're talking about the only thing that's similar to it are the olympics And things like the commonwealth games and the asian games, etc But now you have the other issue of how do you defy the teams because right now each org Is run by like its own little Feathdom kind of and then for overwatch you have things that are based on a franchise system But then for counter strike you have teams that are a little more distributed in some cases But you'd have national you'd have national committees for the e-sports olympics That would pull the blood just like you do for hockey and And swimming and everything like a lot of overhead. It does not currently exist No, it's a lot of stuff that has to would have to be built and that is a question of would it be worth it For e-sports to do I do like the idea of an olympics of e-sports. I think that's where i'm at It's not a world cup. You can have a world cup for cs go. You can have a world cup You have the international Like that that exists But maybe there should be like every four years a gathering of e-athletes in one place to ply their game of Of a favor and it shouldn't be part of the international olympics because it has different Needs than then then the the traditional physical sports Anyway, let us know what you think too folks feedback at daily tech news show dot com Thanks to everybody who participates in creating this show whether you support us on patreon Participate in our sub reddit. You can submit stories and vote on them there at daily tech news show dot reddit dot com Just talking with other people telling people about it at facebook.com slash group slash daily tech news show for instance All of the ways people help create the show are appreciated because we are a better show when you help us Let's check the mail bag seems weird without sarah here, but kevin writes I wanted to comment on friday's discussion of 8k tv's from the perspective of somebody in the post production side of content Thanks mostly to streaming services like netflix We have begun to see more and more work getting finished at 4k and I can tell you that even the leap from hd to 4k has Been a headache for those of us who have to manipulate imagery or render 2d and 3d visual effects at that resolution People think it's only a doubling of resolution, but in fact it's a quadrupling of the pixel count 1080p 4k and 8k would be approximately 2.1 8.3 and 33.2 million pixels respectively The problem is cpu's and gpu's just haven't kept pace with this I have a very capable workstation with a gforce gtx 1080 ti amd threadripper with 16 cores 32 threads 64 gigabytes of ram and a couple of terabyte nvme drives And I still have a lot of weighting involved with rendering shots This is not to mention the source libraries artists use for all of this stuff needs to be upgraded to 4k content or higher The promise of fast gpu rendering and software that takes better advantage of multiple cores will help But it's not fully there just yet with a lot of software and now they're talking about 8k We gave kevin a headache He said producing content at that resolution just isn't something that most people think or talk about But people on the post production side especially feel the pain We are constantly fighting crazy deadlines the time waste of everybody along the content production line gets stacked until the very end And guess who has very little time left before the air date and has these long rendering times Uh, thank you kevin. That does a great analysis of the frustration of switching. I remember going from Uh standard def to hd at cnet and it was a lot of these same frustrations that kevin's talking about here Oh, yeah, no kevin has all of my sympathy and love I can produce 4k content but 8k not even not a chance and not with all the bitcoin miners stealing all the good cards I'm looking forward to Abating but yeah, absolutely. Well jen cutter. Thank you so much for being here If folks want to find out what you're up to where should they go? They should actually check my twitter at jen cutter that is jen with two ends and I have some really cool announcements coming next month Oh, very excited about it. I'm working with some other people and it's kind of coming out soon So check that out. It's jen cutter j e n n c u t t e r on twitter, uh, thanks to everybody who supports this show Uh, we get better because you support us at patreon.com slash dts. Don't forget I'll be headed out of town. 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I was in atlanta yesterday And then i'm doing all this traveling this week and then when I get back i'm packing up and moving finally I get it now. I get it. No, it's confusing. It's confusing for me and it's my life It's your life When you chose or the one that chose you or did I yeah, um, there's e olympics Battle olympics battle of the thumbs There's also e olympics and there's um bricks and mortars made some dough as well as A back door by any other name Like one of the the olympic related ones like the battle of the thumbs should we do battle of the thumbs? It reminds me of the game used to play in the back of the car One two three four i declare a thumb war Always lost to my sister. She had very strong thumbs You needed you needed uh more Discipline training regimen It's possible that you might meet my sister and force us to have a thumb war If you come to the greenville We'll see you have to do that kind of stuff on camera now. I know You set yourself up earlier Or redemption depending the whole sports movie arc. Yeah, right Show me training A battle of thumbs battle of thumbs is that what we're calling it? Yeah, e olympics battle of the thumbs Oh, it's both of those or it's e olympics Battle of the thumbs. I didn't realize those were all one. Okay. You e olympics battle of the thumbs Sounds like an nes title It's a sequel to an nes title See there was a time where the cover art or the box art on video games are really amazing Because they had to make up for the fact that you were just playing with square dots I saw Classic you see this l on screen that's your that's you So the box art was always wait like the box art was always what I had in my mind while I was playing the little black box Like that black box is actually me as a dragon whatever Oh adventure that was the worst Like oh, you're just a you're a cursor your square cursor and you move from The one screen to a next I loved adventure though. That was my favorite. I always played that in the in the department store I used to wish that that game would have like I wish you could do this in this game Like you could you cast magic spells and Whatever like well, it's a 2600 kid. You're not getting any better than this I like the old school and television games beautiful artistic cover as well half of them anyway and then boxes Tiny flips and boobs Well, yeah, because they especially atari they'd hire artists uh to to make these like gorgeous It was like comic art But you know these gorgeous representations of what you're going to be playing Like the cover or astro smash I remember for in television I felt like oh, this is like the coolest thing. There's a ship and like the space backgrounds And then it's like you're on this flat plane shooting to perfectly Had blocks you kids had to use your imagination when you played video games back then back in our day And it's um Well, it's interesting because uh ea. I think when it was under was it trample Uh, he made the conscious decision to publish all their computer games in essentially The little miniaturized album format So it's a square and they would hire all these artists that did album covers like you know lp album covers to do the covers for all the video games because His whole idea concept was our our game producers or software The guys who write the games are just as artistic and talented as musicians who get all this Glory's which make everything out of art And they did It was nice One of the coolest things about getting the Atari app for mobile is You can access all that Game art all the call the box art all the the manuals all the miss manuals Yeah, those are cool Some cool stuff, especially in the older games where they would tell you a lot of backstory in the manual So the reason why you're doing this particular exercise with your thumb and fingers is because picture this 20 years ago There was a cataclysmic alien invasion And you're the sole survivor or you think so and then is basically a way to fill in the gaps between like the infocom The infocom manuals were the best. There was all kinds of ephemera and you know, they're called police calm That's that's that's I didn't know that everybody out there understood the term. So I still have my zork mid From when I bought the when I bought the trilogy. I have deadline I have a lot of my Lucas arts ones because they also had the code so that you could pass the copy protection Yeah, those are the those were the most obnoxious I mean they were better than the copy protection they put on the the soft like the actual disc But they for example like one of the the code wheels No, it wasn't the cold wheel. It was the one for uh, um, zack the kraken And it was printed on this unphotocopyable paper But it made it really hard to read unless you had like a big bright light on it I remember some city had had a list of coordinates that it would give you at the beginning of each launch And then you'd have to look it up on this red piece of paper because I was going to make it harder to copy and Yeah, it's just funny to think like those are all Incredibly insecure copy protections now, but they were so annoying back back Well, I mean, you know, you had punks like me that were using copy to pc is like Don't copy that floppy roger Well, I found my half-life two discs Because I had like the box copy from the store and then for a story that I was working out at the time I did the steam download on day one with everybody else that was a disaster And I after I found those discs like was this the box copy or is this like a ripped copy my friends gave me I had to go online to make sure that before I posted a picture of this on the internet that these discs were legit You had the right one Yeah, I remember my next my neighbor down the street was a had a Commodore 64 I think I mentioned this before and he he was a source of many games You could type you had a game pretty much Oh, there it is. I was a big fan of toy bizarre for uh the Commodore 64 was which was essentially mario Uh mario brothers not super mario brothers, but mario brothers I Yeah, I had had a head to head uh as well as a solo play I should remember all those epic games Mission or not mission impossible mission Uh summer games Oh, yes. Oh the epics. Yeah. Yeah We used to actually play those during summer break. Uh in in my uh my bedroom We'd have Olympic competitions me and all my friends. Oh, was it california games was I think like the other big one That was when I remember it was like this is stuff that nobody in toronto does and this is awesome It's funny too because those were like those aren't Olympic games, but they're pretty much all olympic Now it's the excellent they invented the x games. Totally. Well, they also 1987 apparently What was it? No, they also did world games. Remember that epics world games and that was one of them Was it took place in australia and I forgot were you supposed to um Which one of them I know I got beaten by a shark a lot in circle. That's all I remember I remember I was really good at fencing in summer games. I have no idea how I would just always win, but it was button smashing. It was I did not know what I was doing Oh, it was uh the barrel jumping in from germany herald And then they had log rolling weightlifting skiing Oh, okay. Oh the caber toss from scotland where you like basically carry a telephone pole and you throw it Well, that is a sufficiently world game covering a lot of bases there Yeah, and then bull riding for the united states. I think they could have picked a better game But you know what the mechanics are simple Implement well the problem is like with the us, you know, what are you going to pick the nfl like that's really Our baseball like so you got to pick something a little more unusual bull riding is not bad, I guess um What's an unusual american sport? monster trucks Oh, yeah demo derby Oh demolition derby those are great. That's where you take your old clunker and give yourself a concussion at the same time Yeah, everybody loves that Oh pumpkin chunking where they take the big guns and they shoot pumpkins These are all north american sports though. They they cross the borders. It's true You have rodeo up in canada, right? Yes Do you have hamburgers? I'm told we do yes You've heard you've heard tell the tales well like I don't follow the the bull riding circuit, but occasionally I'll spy like, you know You know like news from it and I guess some of the top riders are from brazil like brazil. Oh, yeah big big player in that sport I only hear about it when the calvary stampede is on I hear about the stampede and they think about chuck wagons food chili I'm hungry Amos says manuals were the fries of the video game world something to satiate your hunger on the drive home from blockbuster Yeah, they used to really put a lot of effort into those manuals and they would print them So there would always be like three or four pages at the end that were blank because of the printing process But they would always put notes so you could write notes in it for some reason Yeah, like a cheat code, but if you had like a game genie, you didn't By the way game g anyone doesn't know Yeah before like you would literally was it you inserted it into the nes And then you would put the cartridge into it or no Yeah, you put it the game in it first and then you put it in the uh system And then it would basically allow you to hex edit On the game itself and you could get like things like extra lives and stuff pretty sweet if you're really bad at games I thought I had mine there, but it's in the other room Now they just have cheat codes god mode or the console mode Yeah, they just let like the devs had it anyway. They just left it in Like oh, I just hit this key combo and type this ID2D I kind I kind of do that sometimes with uh first person shooters, especially if it's like a Section where I just it's not fun. You just want to get through it Like you just god mode or actually generally I don't god mode What I do is I get all the weapons that you normally don't get till the end and I just shoot everything Take that disembodied demon head So what do y'all think of henry cavill being cast as uh gerald from the witcher Or gerald He could probably do it I I it for me I'm one of those people that has to see how he looks like I can't just I can't picture him now But I want to see what he looks like in costume or character and see Well, and don't forget. I believe I have this right and I apologize if I if I'm mistaken. Uh, I think that Sipkowski the author of the books is involved in this So these shows are going to be based on the books whereas the video games were not The video games licensed the books and the characters, but Sipkowski was like damn. I'm not interested in do whatever you want So there will be there will be differences between the television series and the video games I'm sure there'll be differences with the books too, but it'll be tied more closely to the books I don't know if that makes much different with gerald, but I think people will be there mostly for the world and the attitude Yeah, totally and the attitudes. I think pretty much. Well, I I say that but I really haven't played the games I don't know if it's that close or not. I've only read the books I've I haven't read the books and I've played the game for like a weekend I don't know. I've never been into It's really hard for me to get into fantasy games It's an investment there's a lot to do in those games like if they do a remastered version I'll probably go back Which they might but part of it that bugs me is they're very tropey. I mean, that's one of the things about fantasy Games is that you have a dragon. You got a wizard sorcerer You got some sort of like, you know inhuman Like whether it's an elf Or a gnome or a troll or whatever, you know, and so it just keeps popping up and Like it's always stuck in like the fifth like the level of technology is always stuck in the 15th century It's like it no one's progressed beyond like muskets or you should read jade city by fondly It is a magic story set in A sort of loosely defined asian-like world With cars and televisions and everything but the but the magic power comes from jade Okay There's um, there's a few of those actually one of the best ones I've actually read believe it was a comic book called the red star And the whole premise was that in this alternate reality Hold on. Hold on. You said there's a few of those, but you just finished telling me there weren't enough of those No, no fantasy video like games for games. Okay. All right. That's my fault Okay, no, I didn't mention. I just I just assumed we were still talking about games Yeah, yeah, yeah, that makes that makes more sense Which is why like, you know, I mean I grew up playing barge stale and ultimate wizardry. It's like Is a book uh, and and it's a series of books now um I'm trying to think of a game that does fantasy pretty well. Oh wait shadow run, but that's more of a RPG. Yeah Well, we'll try to think of some more, uh, but video folks, that's uh it for now. Thanks for watching audio folks stick around There's more to come More