 Oh I thought it was really exciting. I think there was lots of engagement from all the panel members and I really think there's been a lot of progress in the last 20 years about the whole deforestation issue obviously but also how agriculture fits very much into the equation before it was just talked about but not interacted with and now you see people who before were just working in the forest they're working in agriculture they're figuring out that that has to be part of the equation so I think there's been huge progress. Well I think the whole thing about stepping back from the macro and the global and actually it has to be context specific it has to be what forest type what kind of agriculture and who are the communities that actually live there what are the governments the governance and really get you have to get specific after a while. The global context gives you ideas of patterns but in the end actions have to be local regional national.