 The Chief Justice of Nigeria, Lukai O'Lukai Odiariwala, has come under fire for saying he is a member of the G5 Group of Governors, or the Integrity Group. Now it's his lordship getting too close to politicians. Stay with us for analysis of this. Also on the breakfast, the Government of Nigeria has said it will end its conditional cash transfer program by December the 30th, 2022. But has the CCT achieved its aims? We'll have further discussion ahead. And in the press, we bring you in-depth analysis of today's major new super headlines. All right, we're back with the breakfast on Plus TV Africa, a beautiful Monday morning which is live from a studio on Victoria Island, Lagos. My name is Kofi Bartels. And I am messy because it's good to be back on your screen this beautiful Monday morning. Indeed. Mercy, the good to be back is really an interesting good to be back because you've been around for some time and it's good to have you back. I hope you're feeling better. Yes, I feel very great. And you know, my voice is back. Oh, fantastic. Fantastic. Let's start with a training segment like we normally do on this program. Some treats, you know, about Facebook posts. I don't know how many of you saw this, but a gentleman on Twitter, Mendex, he goes with the Twitter account, just Mendex, you know, brought something that was on Facebook on Twitter, you know, a post about someone, Aminu Allahi. All right, so I just got to read a bit of that Facebook post so that you may understand. Someone says that we're seeking justice for Aminu Adamu Mohamed, who was taken away from University of Dutsey, you know, University of Dutsey. On Thursday the 8th of November 2022 by suspected security apparatus from Asarok. I'm just reading everything. I'm quoting him, the post that he shared. Yeah, this is not a news report from plus CV Africa, but it's just a quote of the post. The post continued. This was a post shared by a certain Baba Azari, whom this gentleman, the first gentleman I talked about, brought on Twitter, a Facebook post that says Aminu is 23 years old, a final year student of environmental management in toxicology at the FU D. Jigawa State. Without prior knowledge of school authorities was taken away by scot-operators. So, Asarok provides statement targeting the first lady, Aisha Buhari. This is what the statement claims, who alleges, he says Aminu's sudden disappearance came to the father's notice when one of his friends, as a schoolmate in parenthesis, from the university called to inform him of not seeing Aminu for five days in the school. Other sources from the schools that Aminu was falsely taken around midnight, sorry, 12 o'clock p.m., brother, by suspected security apparatus. Now, Aminu said after being beaten massively by security before the first lady was later taken to an unknown location in Abuja, not a police station, for one week before he was allowed to call his father, a retired Bachi state civil servant. So, they say they have the statement by the comment rather by Aminu Shalili on the street and sometime in June during the ASU strike, which is what the alleging led to his alleged arrest. Something in Hausa there and all that. So, it's an allegation. I don't know if there's been any reaction or rebuttal by the press, you know, aids to the first lady. Merci. So, what do you think? Well, so it's still very sketchy, but if there is anything to go by, we know that the law is very explicit on the issue of defamation. And so, you want to talk about what the constitution or the law talks about. If it's expected, if that's something to go by, that DSS was sent out, you know, to apprehend him or he was apprehended, he was taken, he was beaten in front of, you know, Asha Buhari at Asorov. That's according to the narrative and all of that that we have actually seen. It would be unfortunate if that's the case. But if we talk about defamation or defamatory comments and all of that, it's something that the law talks about. Fast forward, you want to look at what the act talks about in 2015 to be precise. That's the online defamation or cyber crime prohibition prevention act that, you know, became or came into effect May 15, 2015, that provides, as followed, that any person who knowingly sends a message or other matter by means of computer system or that he knows to be fault for the purpose of causing annoyance, inconvenience, danger, obstruction, insult, injury, and criminal intimidation and enmity, hatred, ill will or needless anxiety or another to cause such a message to be sent, commit an offense under this act and shall be liable on conviction for a fine of not more than seven million or imprisonment for a term of not more than three years or both of such fine and imprisonment. So yes, there's a constant, I mean, the law actually guards that. There's a provision in the law or the constitution against this and you won't talk about the types of defamation. So it might be issue of slander or libel. And in this case, because it's written and it will be there for a very long time because it's a tweet or up until he deletes it. But even when he deletes that particular tweets, because it was written not in English, but the interpretation has been put out is not to write to him about, but really that's what it is. And that's why we say that we have a government. The reason we have a government in any country is to check the excesses. That's why you have a law. And so at the time where you feel that your right has been, you know, contravene or whatever you, it's okay to actually seek justice within the ambience of the law. So yes, like I mentioned earlier, if it's anything to go by, then it's wrong. But however, subsequently, if there's also cases like this, because we know that we've been grappling with the issue of, oh, we need to come to a point where we ban social media, the issue of free speech and the fact that there's a lot of bullying and people, you know, chunking out their thoughts and being very violent. I mean, social media space, all of it can be very hostile, really, for anybody, not just limited to the politicians or the political class. But we say that there's a law that provides protection for all of this. So at Paraventure, you encounter all of this. Know that, I mean, it's within your right to seek justice, not to take the laws into your hands, because we're not in a jungle. There's no need for all of that, Kofi. Yes, indeed. For those who maybe just will be wondering what exactly the young man said. It's in Hausa. I'll try my best to read it out. I don't know, maybe he speaks Hausa. She can help us read it. Do you? He speaks Hausa. I don't. Okay. He says, I can, I can, I understand the auntie, the mama. I can study coding, coding is money, you know, auntie. So it means the mother has gotten fat by eating the masses, masses money, you know, the mother has gotten fat by eating the masses money up. I do not know if this was a comment to a particular post or picture or was just a post on its own. But it's, it's coming, of course, as frustration over the prolonged astral strike. I need to really get to know, because there was a time the picture was shared online. Mama went to share a picture about of her daughter's graduation, daughter-in-law's graduation from investing in the UK, talked about it here. I don't know if that is, that is related. But legal practice, I mean, as of Sunday night, you had about more than 60,000 tweets, you know, most of the users, you know, mentioning the name Aisha Buhari, which trended on Twitter, with, you know, mounting pressure on the authorities to let the student go. One person who commented on this was legal practitioner, Naini Behef, who himself has tested incarceration recently after the Chief Justice of Aquabomb State, the Chief Judge, just threw him in jail. So he says that it is petty ridiculous and unconstitutional for the D.S.S. to hold a citizenry for mockery. Now, the laws you started, the so-called cybercrime, even the nomenclature is debatable, laws. I mean, we have, you know, laws on slander and libel. But the cybercrime laws don't say you can be picked up and thrown in jail without any, any court process, sorry, Merci. They don't say that you should be beaten like that. This, if it is true, if it is true, is an extra judicial action, and it's totally against the law, it's totally condemned. But I would hope that something comes up, some sort of information comes up from the D.S.S. That's very true. I mean, of course, in all of this stating that the law or the act did never state that you should be taken out. And that's why I'm saying that if that's anything to go by, really, it would be very despicable, especially at a time where you have, you know, the ruling class who should understand what the law talks about and lead according to the law. So if you think that your right has been infractured, then you should move ahead to seek for redress. But quickly, let's move away from that. Another that generated a lot of, you know, reactions from Nigeria. I got a lot of people talking. It's the picture of a very popular pastor who's in a buddha, the kosher church, a pastor, Biodu Fatoyibo, a picture of Sophie. So we saw several pictures. I saw him comparing that with his previous pictures. He really looked like he had lost a lot of weight, and he looked really, really old, you know, in that picture. Of course, there's nothing wrong in looking old because old age is natural. Everyone would become old eventually. But that costs a lot of stare on social media and people started talking. Some people were thinking that, oh, could it be that he's ill? What is going on? Some people say it could be karma. I mean, there's a lot of reactions. But Kofi, what are your thoughts? I mean, I was going through comments today. First of all, is it him? That's the question I have to ask. Is it him? And then secondly, you know, it is not on my bed. It's his private life. It's not on my business. I know I made Biodu Fatoyibo's business, my business. People are looking for what to talk about. You know, the last picture I saw of the gentleman on his Instagram, if you go to his page, I think the last post that I saw was on the 17th of April. You know, so he hasn't shared, and he's very active on Instagram. He hasn't shared a post for quite some time now, you know, 17th of April. And he posts almost every day before that. You know, he posts almost every day before that. You know, so number one, if he's the one, that's the first thing to ask. Secondly, I mean, the gray hair, we all grow old. I mean, even I'm sure when I started my work on this station, I didn't have as much gray hair as I do now. So what are you trying to say? I'm saying that we all grow old. You understand? So I'm saying, you know, people grow older. You know, so you can imagine just 12 months or how many 10 months I have gray hair. You know, so you never can tell. The gray hair is neither here nor there for me. The weight loss, maybe it could be fasting. You understand? Maybe it could be fasting. Who knows? This guy's fast. But whatever it is, I think that people need to exercise, you know, a high amount of decency. You know, first of all, it's nobody's business. It's none of let me say the way the black Americans say it's none of your business. It's none of your business. It's his private life. All right. It's private life. Some people are saying, I read some comments, some people saying it's karma. You know, karma is catching up with him. Who are you to judge? You know, you as karma caught up with your own sins. You know, I think it's people should look for how to, you know, provide for themselves and how to find their daily bread and then to, to, to become the judge over this month's life. You know, that's all I'll say. For me, I, I do refrain. I'd like to refrain from maybe I can discuss it in my heart, maybe with my wife, you know, just okay. But publicly, you know, I, my view is that there's some things that are private and should be left as such. You know, it's a public figure, no doubt. But if it's health, it's a private matter. So that's it. Merci. Oh well. So, you know, we lost Sammy over, you know, the weekend as well. And that was really sad. I'm not, yes, definitely really sad. And I remember being in church yesterday was also, he was being talked about, especially being the fact that he was friends with, you know, the church. He's a member of your church. I think a worship leader in your church last time I heard. Yes. Not, not entirely, but, but there's a lot really. But like you have rightly mentioned, it's, it's that we let, we let that be. But you would also want to agree with me. The reason I, the reason I raised that mercy, sorry to, to Sammy poses the issue is that some people are said, Oh, come on, you know, he's paying for his, Oh, baby, that baby daddy, baby mama thing and all that, you know. So, but, but the reason I think that the reason people get to be involved in the issues of persons like this is because if you were in a public space, because it's a public figure, people seem to be very interested, you know, in your situation. I mean, Nigerians are very, very investigative skills as top notch. You find out details, you never knew, and you're like, how did these people get to know this? You know, because you would never thought you, someone passed on. No, I'm not talking about, I know, I'm just trying to link the two that some people are passed on. And what people can say is not everybody, but what some will say, someone, someone will say, Oh, karma. Come on, it's not decent. No, but, but the truth is, the same people who are, you know, just allow me to say this, same people who are, you know, saying karma, when, when, if anything happens to him, God forbid, they will start sharing, Oh, RIP, heartbreak emoji, papa, crying emoji, papa, they'll share his pictures. You know, people just want to talk. But Kofi, that's actually the world that we're living. And if you follow, even if you look at the story, I believe you're Christian, and if you want to go to the Bible, you believe. Of course, I believe you're Christian. You believe. I believe you're Christian. Now, if, if, if, I mean, you've never told me. So, but if you want to look at, you know, Christianity and, you know, Jesus himself, you would find that that the people who crucified Jesus are the people in a church. So it was, it wasn't really like it was strangers. They crucified him. And so that's what it is. But we're not getting into that conversation. The point is, I probably might understand why people are talking about Fatou Yibo, because he's that public figure. He's in that space. And people are checking. They said, Oh, the last time he posted was in April. You can imagine how someone, he's paying attention to the last time, you know, you put it, you put out a Twitter, I post, you know, on Instagram. Curiosity. I went to check just to be sure. First of all, he's either one, but, you know, I'll pray for him, pray. But I think we should just pray for, you know, pray for people like that. Because you never can tell. You never can tell. I will just say, before we move on, you know, a few words for Samuel Posso, you know, it's so sad. He passed on. Really unfortunate. He's so resting in peace. And he'll be missed. Samuel Posso will be missed. The man I died was, was unfortunate. He was so sudden. Samuel Posso had shared a lot of posts on social media. Some posts on social media day prior, you know, he had been in some videos and it seemed too sudden the way Samuel Posso died. Merci. You've had the privilege to see him up close and personally in recent time. I had privilege to encounter him at different times over the past years, you know, many years ago. And I've interacted with Samuel Posso and he's a very lively individual. And he'll be missed. He had a voice that nobody in Nigeria had. And you know, one thing about Samuel Posso is that, you know, I would always remember the times during the carnival, the Calabar Carnival, when you had activities, series of activities. And then there's always a gospel night and all of that. He would come in, the energy is out of this world. And that I will never forget. Samuel Posso is a once in a generation person, you know, once in a generation gift. And he'll be sold in missed. We send a condolences to the family of Samuel Posso. And he's, he's the members of his ministry, his church, his friends and well wishes. Sammy, rest easy. I'm sure that we'll all one day depart this world. And we'll be singing in that heavenly choir, definitely. Okay. Well, the association message, how much do you pay for, for, for Sashiwada bago? Don't tell me, don't use Sashiwada. I don't use Sashiwada. Don't tell me, don't tell me. No, but I don't. You know, you know, it's just like a King Jamong in that movie called the interview. Or he said it doesn't release gas. No, but to be real, I use Sashiwada. Every week, you know, I have to drop money in the house for them to buy as about 10 bags. Because I mean, for instance, when we come pump water, when we need to cook, we need to do stuff. And sometimes you, the water is just pumping issues, how you're having issues and all that. We go to that, you know. So I know one of those people, I use Sashiwada, you know. I have Sashiwada. I don't. It's the staple in most, even in the richest Nigerian home, you have that. It's just because you need, it's a necessity. You know, you need it, you know, just somewhere in the kitchen. Messi is the only Nigerian who doesn't use Sashiwada. No. I have Sashiwada at home. So Messi won't understand this. You should just focus on me for now. Messi, it wasn't, is it after 10 years ago? We used to, you know, how much they used to sell, but the bag was, okay. About 10 years ago, Sashiwada, the bag of Sashiwada was sold for about $60,000 in Lagos. You know, that was $60,000 in Lagos. It was less. Or less. Okay. Now, I'm talking about 10 years ago there about, this year, I think after COVID, they increased the bag of Sashiwada to $150,000 from about $100,000 to $150,000. And then it's gone to $200,000. Currently we sell or buy bag of Sashiwada for $200,000. You know, we copy what I buy. I leave money. I have to leave $2,000 at home for 10 bags. And they're telling me. You sound like you're thinking this very best. They're telling me that I have to add $1,000 extra because they go to sell a bag of Sashiwada to me. Minimum is what the lady said. How much? The lady, I think she's in the National Comprehensive Association, Clementina TV. Minimum, $300,000. Minimum. That's what they're telling me. Messi, you're not on this table. No. You know, you're not on this table. You know, why were we young? Okay, let me just give you information after you come back. But you know, the National Chairman of the Association of Table Water Producers, we have like two or three, you know, national unions for this water business. She says that they have had to increase the price, you know, to $300,000. She heard the statement. I shouldn't give a press conference. It's all about the media. I can hear radio stations and all that. And I think they're seeing the change in prices as a result of the increase in the price of materials coupled with the economic situation in the country. You know, so that's that. That's that. So just know that if all the producers are with this particular union, then of course they would be jumping on this $300,000. All right. Well, so but let's even get to that part where you talk about, you know, using water. That's because... No, no, no. That's because I don't. That's because I'm in a space where I can actually make water. I can actually, you know, you know, sash this water and put it out. I have access to treated water, which has been bought. You know, when you say that's number one, when you say treated water, we all have treated water. You have to treat your own water. You understand? But somebody has nobody trust the process. No, it's very treated. So when I tell you, when I tell you that it's very treated, that I can actually bottle the water. Okay. So you drink water from your tank. Exactly. And then I also have access to, you know, water dispenser. You trust it? So I also have, you know, water too. So that's also another part of it. So I still buy water. So you trust the treated water? Very treated. Okay. I will not begin to mention, you know, the area now. So people don't... No, we can't tell you. My sister is in there. Do you have to say that? One of the greatest areas in... But the treat is over time. It makes me look like I'm... I know how much, you know, make me look like I'm the one who is... I don't know, I'm the person who is doing the hard life in this country. You're all living the hard life. What are all living the hard life? But the truth is, I mean, living an idea, we've all patronized. If you're not patronizing Sasha Water at this point, I'm sure that those once upon a time you patronized it. And it wasn't 300 naira for a bag. So it's quite different. Everything is... Everything seems to be on the high now. And every commodity, every service seem to be on the high, including transportation. And some people have questioned it. Some people are asking why are we buying or why would people buy, you know, Sasha or a bag of water for 300 naira? And then what's really the problem? Is it a letter now? Is it the cost or what exactly is going on? But we can't also, you know, take out the fact that in the cost of production, you need to also factor some things. Now, mostly for us and Nigerians who do business, some of the materials that we use to, you know, do business, highly important, we have to import them. So you don't have not every business that you have in Nigeria that you say, okay, from start to finish, the production from start to finish is sourced from here. So all of the materials, resources that you're going to be using is sourced from Nigeria from the beginning to the end. That's what you mean by start to finish. So mostly a lot of business still, you know, depend on importation of some of these materials to finish her production. And you probably also need to consider. So imagine that you have to import, you know, the cellophane or the paper bag or whatever artists that you call it from outside of Nigeria. Let's look at, you know, the cost of the dollar now or the exchange rate. It's on the high. So all of that trickles. This is what I'm thinking, but it's just, you know, simple economics and statistics and reality that we're faced with. And that might be the reason, even though we know that there are some cases where some persons just take advantage of the situation and then they become, you know, overly zealous and deciding to make over profit or take advantage of the situation and profits. But what we've always asked is that, hey, can we live in a society where the government provides an enabling environment for businesses to actually thrive? Because at the end of the day, the masses will be bearing the brunt of it. And if you look at that, you see that the cost of every product or production or services is on the high. What happens, you know, to the earnings? Do we have salaries increasing to meet up the current realities? That's not the case for us. It's really, really saddening. And if the people say, I mean, Kofi, I'm sure you're also aware of the fact that the oil marketers are saying that Nigerians should be ready to buy oil petrol at any price. Did you hear that statement? We should be ready to buy oil the product at any price. That is the petrol market. Yes. So it's just a lot that's going on. And when as a business, because people get into business for the essence of making profits. And so when you begin to factor, you know, all other issues, then it becomes, you know, quite worrisome. Yeah, but before we go, I would just like to add to that. You know, the funny aspect of all this is that, and I never knew that they would just give one extra bag. I didn't know. Just, but I think last week, I noticed that the maker at home. They gave you an extra bag. The gate man had a bag in the corner of his gatehouse when they were loading the sachet water into the kitchen. I noticed, but I didn't know what I saw. So this guy did buy, or is this the dash? This, what do you call again? This lady from the Water Manufacturers Association is saying that they are not going to give you any extra bag again. They have ended the era of giving extra bags. Now I'm here, you know, doing this like, and I didn't know, hey, the guy was getting an extra bag. So are you trying to do that? He was giving my extra bag. I hope you're not going to fire him. I'm telling you. Okay, we need to go now. So she's saying that they would no more be giving any extra bag. It's bag for bag. That's what she calls a bag for bag. But this is it, yeah, before, very important. Nigeria has a petrochemical company in River State called Indorama Element Petrochemical Company. They produce out of those petrochemicals two products, polypropylene and polyethylene. Now these are used to make plastics and then the cellophane that is used to bag the sachet water. The sachet water manufacturer is P to buy the in bundles, the cellophane, okay, from outside the country to an Indian company. Now the question to ask is why can't they buy these bags in the country? What I'm told is that these guys, Indians, export it to their country and import it to Nigeria so the country can pay in US dollars. So this is something that has to be looked into by the authorities, especially the National Assembly. We have to go. We'll be right back here. We'll look at the papers this morning. Stay with us.