 Well, we return now to our main story that the government has approved a forensic Excavation of the former mother and baby home in Chum and County Galway and we're joined now by the Minister for Children Catherine Sopel. Minister, thank you very much indeed for coming into us this evening Minister, I mean this is an incredibly complicated story and there were many people who wanted this to happen But there were very many who were opposed to the excavation. Why have you decided to go for it? Well, quite simply we decided it because we believe that it is the right thing to do We believe that it's a reasonable approach. It's rooted in scientific advice It's also rooted in human rights approach and and to Keelan It has to do with my ongoing meeting of many of the survivors the families of the children who they believe are actually Interred in the site and the importance of responding with empathy and care and I presume also There is a desire to get some answers here. What happened to these children who placed them there? How many are there? We don't even know how many are there at this point. Absolutely, of course I think people want to have answers It's really important to say too that there is the Commission of Investigation is still doing its work It's investigating a lot of those questions that you've just asked there and they will report in the new year What our job is though is to try to answer some of the concerns the deep feeling the anguish and the trauma of Families of children who they think may be there in the site buried in the most undignified manner and To I suppose really try to to effort to our recovery to identify and then to rebury with great dignity and respect that they deserve Now I know Captain Cordes has established 798 children died in June We do not know how many of them are in this grave and there are concerns of some of these children may have been Illegally adopted. They people would like access to the files When will those files be made to available to relatives and families of the children here? Yes? I do appreciate that first of all in relation to the number that may be buried there The government decision today was to make every effort to find and to identify any juvenile remains that are on the site and that's I think really a Profound decision and it's one that I am fully 100% backed by my cabinet colleagues and that's as far as you need to go It's not just the sewage site It will indeed It's the whole site there which is the sewage site the playground and there's also some greenery as well But it's the whole site that we're going to take a step-by-step approach based on the scientific advice It will start effectively with where we know there are children's remains in relation to the sewage system area Do recover those I think the other thing is that there will be a DNA analysis and testing of those remains and With the best possible methodology yet to be worked out by the group of experts that we need to assemble But I guess I want to assure people that everything that will be done that can be done in order to Identify the remains to the extent that it's scientifically possible We know that it may not be possible in every instance because they're juvenile remains because they may be What the phrase is commingled given the fact of where they were very undignified? They experience a very high burial that they may be Mingled together and that that's that's what we mean by individualizing and and so those are the technical Technical challenges and the files hopefully will come through the Commission of investigation That's the way Commission of investigation exactly has yet to report and we'll have I suppose evidence and basis of those Finally, I'm briefly. I know the Bonsecourt's order has volunteered some money towards this with no indemnity offered in return But have you an overall figure of a budget for this? We have an estimate at this stage in terms of the approach that we want to pursue between six million and 13 million euros and the Bonsecourt sisters have offered two and a half million It's a voluntary contribution. No indemnity No, it is not a settlement and it is specifically in relation to the work that is done on the site I'm pretty anything back from the Pope yet. I know you have spoken to him about this issue I did and what I do know is that he heard me And I have not received a response yet But I would be very certain that the Vatican is paying attention to what is going on in Ireland right now Okay, well Minister Catherine's appellants very much a date for coming into