 I told me that was insanely offensive. Oh, my God. I'm sure we've got all of our dev stories because, you know, he's got a mouth on him. So. Mm hmm. Well, go on. Well, that was the crazy story. What did he say? Wait, there was a story. I made it. Are you also streaming this? It looks like you are. No, what? What? I'm in such a premiering something. They're trying to compete with this stream. Oh, they're competing. Wait, there's a lot of Steelers. I'm not even that was not me. OK. Mm hmm. It was me. It was all me. I know it was me, Barry. Adam under the bus. Like, yeah, my employee. Fuck this guy. It was our editor. All right, yo. Fuck, yo. Yeah, go. So hit the word, hit the button. Let's talk about. Well, how do you describe this? We should jump right into it. Well, oh, are you talking to someone else? Or should I get going on the venals? Venals. No, you do you. OK, you read the room and follow the, you know, trail to happiness. Here I go, doing me. All right, everybody, all right. As you've heard on real BBC slash other places, I've been awkwardly trying to explain when things will happen because we've had delays all over the place. It's been a nightmare. But I can tell you that without a doubt, the well, I guess first and foremost, the information, I feel like the thing they're going to be wanting to know the most is the video, the quantum video is indeed coming out sad. Guaranteed now, there's literally nothing I could imagine that would stop it that is within reason, you know. So there's a couple of things that could stop it like Voldemort, but I don't know if he's is he real? Which one's real of all the. I think he died. Right? Yeah, so we should be good on that. I think he died, but he has no nose. He has no. Oh, you can't even smell my video. It does smell. Nothing. Oh, he smells awful. That's true. Well, really. So there's that. And if that's happening, then, yes, you guys have figured it out. That means that we managed to get the thing we were talking about to happen. I'm going to do it in a cool way. Look, I'll spook him out with this first. You got it. You guys have got to boot the stream again. It's like, what's this? What's happening here? Look at that. OK. Oh, my God. Look at this image. Look at this possibly be says coming soon. Oh, my goodness. What is it? Oh, my gosh. Look at that. Oh, my God. Thank you. It changed. It's a different one. Who's this? Squirtle. That's probably. Yeah. Oh, wow. Look at that, boy. Oh, my God. There's another one. Oh, my goodness. Terrifying. Wow. What's happening? Who knows? I'm sure this is for this time. My God. Oh, wow. Oh, look at this one. It's spinning. I don't have a spinning one for all of us. How intense? What could this be? It's the thing. Oh, it's spinning. It's spinning at the at the Red Dead Redemption remake frame. Right. Yeah. Full FPS. This is the launch of the EFAP final figures. It's finally here. The day has arrived. Oh, good. Look at that. Hold on. Hold on. When you said vinyl before this, I thought you meant like actual records. Why? All of you old people. Why? How many hours do you think you can put on a vinyl record? It's like you're just like going to release vinyls of your old episodes. We can even put one on. People who want to see an eighth. People who want to see an eighth of an EFAP, they can buy an entire record for it. Yeah. I can't tell if Dev stole my joke I said before the stream. He did steal it. It's his now. Or did he actually believe that? No one will believe it. No, I actually believe that wasn't a joke. Listen, I've seen people sell some weird shit on vinyl. OK. Like you. So I thought you were actually going down this or I was like, OK. All right. No, vinyl figures. All right, cool. That's what they are. I'm looking at them. They swell. I think they swell. Look at them. Pretty sweet. Everyone's holding. I got my precious, precious film reel piece because I'm looking right into the scene. Rags has got his poppy corn because he's watching a movie. I love popcorn. Popcorn is an apex snack. Way better than poop corn. My signature green goo. What is that goo, by the way? Well, it's. Hey, look, you can get green with a little vinyl figure. Yeah, you can finally see what's going on here. I mean, you could with the plushies. Open it up. With the vinyl. Now you got a vinyl one. Yeah. I have a fringy plushie looking right at me while I'm sitting here for my shelf judging me. Yeah, I've got you. Off to the right there. Worshipping the marker. Look, they come with wonderful packaging, too. Look at this image here. Oh, my God. Look at the rags one. Here it is. Oh, wow. Look at that. It's all nice and look lovely looking. Look at them in there. It's sleek. He's just waiting. He's just waiting. I'm ready to be collected and stacked with others. Look at that fringing one. Wow. Can I mint them and sell them for five million euros? Yes, they come with mint. Oh, wow. Look. They don't come with mint. Oh, look at that. They stamped as well to be one of three of the EFAP collection. That's what they own them all. You become a true fapper. Which isn't that what we all want, ultimately? I think so. I'd say so. I think these are gorgeous and beautiful, and I reckon you guys should check them out. However, of course, if you aren't interested, like, briefly, that might work against your favor, as these are hyper-exclusive. They run away from the whole world once they're gone. I doubt they're going to be coming back. It's not quite like the plushies where you'll probably get different ones as time goes on, as we design different ones. There's not a huge expectation that the Vinyls will have a second run. So these, like I said, are hyper-exclusive, OK? Yes. If you don't get these, you will be out of luck. You'll never have anything like them. I've already picked mine. The campaign is available for 28 days. That is true. I can't even count that far. No, it begins. And it's OK. I can count for you, Mel. Oh, yeah. I'm not sure what to do with that. Look at that. On the website, they spin. Whoa. They get a nice 360-degree look at them. Yeah. Don't spin too fast, or they're going to puke. They can handle it. OK. Long creatures are more than capable. Yeah, we're quite happy with how these turned out. They gorgeous. Honestly, they are super impressive. These look great. Yeah, I think they look great. They're real neat. We'll obviously let you guys know as time goes on what's going on with them, what's happening with them. If you buy them together, you get yourself a little discount. 15%. It's true. I mean, that's, hey, that's a decent amount. And 10% plus 5%. Yeah. Links in the description. Go check these boys out. Though we shall be moving right along because we've got quite a set of things to check out today. We've dragged. What about links? YouTube broke all the, basically all the links again that are YouTube links. Do any of them work? The final ones work at least? Yeah, those one work. Just all the ones that have, like, Fringies is fine. But the other, Rags is works, even though it has the numbers now. All the ones that have, like, an ad before them change them back to... Have three times. No, that's great. Great feature, YouTube. I'm glad you put that in. I was about to say faster at fixing them, but it's like, no, this might not even fix them, so I shouldn't speak so soon. We'll try this. Probably, yeah, it didn't work. Cool. Thanks, YouTube. Very cool. Why though? Like, why do they have a system that they want you to use and doesn't work? That feels... I don't know. Wrong. I think it's just like... I'm pretty sure... YouTube slash ad rags, that you just pop up, just have it, like, just do it, just do it. Yeah, it's really weird because if you click on it and then move along, it breaks, but if you put it all in and then just do double space and go to the next line, it works. It's stupid as shit. That is actually fucking retarded, wow. I think what happens is the ad plus username is already a link in itself, so if you put the link after the link, it breaks. That would be my IT idea. Looks like they need to fix that shit now, don't they? I agree. They have Google money. They should be able to do this. Is that fixed now? A thing's better. A thing's not cringe. I'll check for you. I mean, I can't say that, but that looks good. Don't eat the vinyl. I don't know why I would need to say that, but please don't. It's all working and working mutually. It's all good. Wonder fuel. Did your manufacturer ask you to say that? Like, listen, you have to say this when you do this. It's part of the contract. We are asking them. Do not eat the vinyls. It's not real popcorn. Do not do it, please. What? I ate the plushy one. You can eat the plushy, I guess. What's the popcorn? Oh, no, Rex plushy one had a beer. No, I lied. Do not put them into a jar. Do not. You're too late. You'd have to get a big jar. Also, wait, you guys had plushies at one point, eh? I think I made a soup plush. They had two already. I still have them. I missed that. I got the Adam and Sitch plushies, but I missed the run of your guys. Sorry. I missed both of your runs. I know who Dev really likes. I guess we do. You should have saved that for the end of the stream. See, I'm a real friend. I have both of them. I also have all of both of them. Did I ever tell you guys that someone when I posted a picture that I got those all, someone tweeted at me, it's like, oh, that's what parasocial relationship looks like. I was like, yep. People I hang out with. You and I watched like a whole TV show with the same sofa. We're like parasocial, baby. Cringe metal cringe. All right. So yes, we're very happy with those. Check them out while you can. They look great description. You got them all together. You got a discount. It is swell. I think it's swell. The more I look at them, the more of that. I'm like, wow, these look really good. They look really cool. Look. Oh, we can have them on my desk. I just bought some. We tricked him. Oh, no. With our socialness. We parasocialized you. Okay. Here's your watch together letting everyone jump in. Because we're going to need a little bit of context for this. This is this. Right. This is the sequel to. The sequel to a sequel really. This is the first time I'm on these react. I just realized. The react saga. Oh, no. Well, you didn't make it to any of the trilogy. No, I didn't. I ranted on it on my streams. Because I watched the e-fabs on that. Do you need a GLDR? What's going on? I know what's up. I missed all of them somehow. This is definitely a previously on. Because it all. I think we did Hassan. Then we did our relevant Dems and Hassan. No, no. Yes. Then we did, of course, the newer stuff, which is two debates that happened. And then covering sort of XQC in a general sense with his lads. And now we had something happen, which was H3H3, Ethan Klein went head to head with XQC. That was a huge event on the internet. Everyone went nuts. It was crazy. Quite the meaning of the mind. It was fireworks. Nice one. Literally everyone was like, what the fuck is going to happen if these two are talking to each other? You know, we're going to find out today. But before we do that, I've managed to intertwine some clips. Classic. React art. Crimbo. Maybe one or two surprises. We've got plenty of fun to watch. Get ready for some EFAP exception here. Don't worry, your eyes do not deceive you. Is everyone ready to start? These clips are from the past. Let's get it. I'm excited. Be still, my heart. The title of this video. They're about to get the context for that. Don't you worry. YouTube content is there. Hang on. I should have had some nothing before this. It wouldn't go back. Your YouTube content is there when I ain't got nothing else left to talk about. Let's be straight. The classic. A classic line. Not the most classic line from this art. A classic line. It was our first understanding. They blatantly steal. It's something you should come to understand straight away. It's a streamer culture. I don't want to say streamer culture. Is that guy still around? Is he still doing things? Not relevant. It shows you how people don't give a shit to watch those. Holy shit. Wow. I got literally an ad for you guys. The vinyl figure in the watch together. Oh wow. Whoa. It's a sign. Everyone buy them. That's funny. Okay. What does take pride in your work mean? I don't know. There it is. The classic. There it is. That's one of those lines I think about randomly. Just things like... It just comes back into your mind. Wow. Somebody said that. I don't know what that means. I'm really glad you're a content creator. What kind of person and what life have you lived to not understand what taking pride in your own effort is? She doesn't understand it. She shouldn't let people know she doesn't understand. It's a lot happening at once. It's a stupid tool. Nobody even cares when you're generous. So why should I bother? You know what I mean? Why should I be generous? Why should I be generous if I can't brag about it online? Why be generous if I don't get anything out of it? Why should I help my dad out? Why should I help my dad with fuel or something? Nobody cares. I often have to help my dad out with fuel. He often has fuel problems. No fuel problems. He calls me on the phone and says rags because that's my name and I say, what is it? He says, I need fuel. I need fuel. I was like, oh no, dad's having fuel problems again. I feel like this is a lot more philosophical than you guys give her credit. She's asking why be good when you don't receive anything in exchange? It is a question that you can ask. You can do that if you want. Are you good for goodness' sake? She never heard the Santa song? I think she's going to go down in history as one of the great, I think, offers another avenue. Be selfish. I have an issue with the song though because the song is usually good for goodness' sake but it's also like, Santa will not give a fuck about you if you're not good. That's true. Exactly. I'm going to be good for presents. You're going to stop defending it. You're going to do it. No, dad's going to defend the horrible idea. Just before you start with your explanation, you do agree that Santa Claus is real, right? Well, hold on. Yes, Rags. I'll talk to your mom about later. I almost banned him. Talk to my mom about Santa? Wow. Okay, so listen. There's two ways that she's wrong. Obviously, right? At least. There's two big ways I can think of. On the one hand, it's like, well, obviously, when she says, why should I be good when I get anything out of it? That seems kind of selfish. But also, if you do good things to good people, they do generally reward you for it. So if she's doing good things and she's actually doing them and she's around people who aren't rewarding her, even though the reward isn't necessary, it shouldn't be happening anyway if you're around good people. If you're surrounding yourself with bad people. Because if I help one of you guys, I don't expect you to help me out in the future. But you probably would anyway, you know what I mean? We would. You're saying she doesn't even try to wrap this in your video. You talk about virtue ethics and how you have to know it to see it and its effects are very... It's probably because she's living in LA and she's living in that streamer bubble, where everyone's just super backstabby. It's transactional. It's very clout-brained, isn't it? Well, why would I be generous? Is there clout involved? Can I trade generosity for clout? People in that culture do they all get switch blades for Christmas? That's just what everyone gets. Nice and ready to go. From Santa, who totally exists. Yes. Why do you say it like that? You said it weird, but yeah. Because of your sentences, it confuses me. Oh, strange. Wait a minute. Do you devastate people? Is that what you do? Do I devastate people? Santa the destroyer. How come Santa's never given me a gift if he really exists, okay? Oh, shit. I don't want to be the one to tell him. Did anyone else? I think he might be on the naughty list. You might be on the naughty list. Santa's just an anti-Semite, honestly. Oh, no. You're definitely not getting anything. Oh, Saint Nick. Why did you... Give me a hint on the naughty list. You called me an anti-Semite. He just said it first. He won't even get... He's like, why did you do that? Why did you say that? Did you feel like a big boy when you said that? Oh, yeah. Is that the way he's calling me? We cut out all the ho-ho-hos, but... That feels like a really good skin because you just be like, how did you get in, Santa? And he just interrupts you like, I don't think you should say mean things. I want him standing, like, off in the corner, concealed in shadow. Yeah. Who are you and how did you get in? I'm Santa Claus. And I'm Santa Claus. I never left, boy. Okay. Dude, what am I supposed to do? Die? Like, I don't understand. They're all classic. Beauty. I have to stream your video or I'll die. It's my f- It's my f-fucking favorite. Oh, I haven't heard it from its mouth in a while. That was fantastic. Can we listen to that again? We can. I don't mind it forever. Nobody even cares when you're generous. So, like, why should I bother? Who are you and how did you get in? I don't understand. He doesn't understand. It's true. When he says he doesn't understand, I believe him. He's since moved on, because he's, I think he has a maid to cook the nuggies now. I thought that was his mom. Basically, sometimes the mom wouldn't be in to cook the nuggies, so he needed to solve the problem. Because otherwise he'd die. Oh, man. That reminds me, do you guys see that one clip in the mainstream where his maid shows up to clean his room? Let's not talk about it yet. Let's not talk about it. Oh, I'm so sorry. The need to humiliate people, sometimes you need to make an example out of them. Oh. Sound. Now, for anybody who's relatively new to EFAP, go watch those older episodes about Assad, after this one. They're gold. Yes, that was an crazy, crazy adventure. That was a fun one. Those are old characters. We got a new one today. What about the Pyramids? The Pyramids? Pyramids? The Pyramids, man. What is wrong with this guy? Why are you making fun of me like that? He doesn't actually say that. Yeah, man. The f**king cones, yo, the f**king... The cones. What the f**k is happening? I don't know what the Pyramids are. Now, you might think that the Pyramids are shaped like pyramids, but you're actually wrong. They're cones. You know what's funny? I said Pyramids back in the day, but it's my second language. It's his second language, too, you racist. Yeah, that's right. Wait, what? He's from Canada or something. Yeah, come back. French Canadian. To be fair, we make fun of Mel whenever he does that, so... That's true. I'll say something fun of her. Hello. There he goes. That's our metalhead. Dale got it. So, regarding... You're being French Canadian, right? Everyone says, oh, just his accent is the word choice. It's not his first language. Man, people who have heard him speak French, he's just a schizophrenic. He's just all over the fucking place. I think anyone who says, hey, he's just French Canadian is coping pretty hard. It's obviously more than that. It's more than that. Jam a man of fortune, and Jay must seek my fortune. Henry Avery's 1994. Did you say 1924? Oh, my God. Is he dyslexic or something? As much as it's the funniest thing ever, the jam one you could vaguely understand, you could be like, okay. Yeah, as a joke, you'd be like, oh, that kind of looks like jam, and it's a fun meme. This is the opening of Uncharted 4. Why would it be about jam? Jam a man of fortune, and Jay must seek my fortune. Yeah, like, what was it? 1994. He added an answer to Avery, and he changed the six to a nine to jam. It's rather wonderful, honestly. Yeah, man, the fucking cones, yo, the fucking, in the sand. The cones in the sand. Sounds like a Thomas Dolby album. Jam a man of fortune, and Jay must seek my fortune. We actually did say Jay. Henry Avery's 1994. 1994. It's just all wrong. It's great. I was gonna say, I prefer people do this than read it. Jam a man of fortune. This is one of the funniest things I've seen. That's pretty funny, yeah. This is his best content right here. Yeah, finally. Even original, crazy. Well, I'm gonna answer this, I have a coke bottle. Yeah, from the machine or some shit. I bring it back up, right? And when I touch it, I don't get wet at all. My hands are fine, right? When I let it there, after a couple times, dude, I play the fucking game, I get it, and it's fucking full of water, dude. It's full of fucking water, dude. Look at that shit. Wait, you mean condensation? It's dripping. Look at that shit. What is that? I refuse to believe this isn't real. He's talking about something very annoying, which is that drinks just form water from nowhere, and it's annoying. You know this when you're like three, you go, oh, my cup get wet. I don't know what he's talking about. They don't know, XQC wouldn't say it that eloquently, but yeah. Let's see how he explains this issue that no one else has noticed yet. Why? Condensation. What about it? What does that shit fucking do? No! So fucking annoying. Condensation. At least he's looking it up, I appreciate that. Condensation. Water collects as droplets on a cold surface when human hair is in contact with. So you make water. The fuck? There's no water, and then there's water. It just creates itself. I presume that he is also unfamiliar with water vapor. I just like... Do you know that ice is water? The infinite water machine. Does it not come across as having some problems? Explaining like a game mechanic to you, and you find it unfair. That's dumb as fuck. There's no water, and then there's water. Okay, that's stupid. God needs to patch the game of the universe. This is some alchemy shit. You look at XQC, and the gears are turning in his head, and he's like, I could solve the world's issues. He goes to Africa. He's like, how can I monetize this? Condensation. He just puts it out there, and he opens it. There you go. Water out of nothing. I'm going to save the world. We're going to make water out of nothing, guys. I'll save you all. When you pick up something, and then you not hold it anymore, it falls down. Have you ever noticed that? That's annoying. That's density. I haven't got authority from many flat earthers. That's the demon called density. He's invisible, and he drags everything down to the floor. Yeah. Condensation is the guy who walks around invisible and throws bottles. He spits on things. You guys are literally going to believe a phenomenon that's actually a pond. He was like, licking the balls. I'm going to put it on. Can you condensation? This reminds me of something now. Believe it or not, there was actually a guy who had that complaint about gravity. He spent like two or three years on the International Space Station. The way he kind of organized his area is he just put things in the air and they stayed there because he's low gravity. Right? My toothbrush goes right here, just in the middle of the air. He had his area meticulously laid out of all this stuff just floating. When he came back down, he kept doing it just out of habit. He was breaking stuff. He grabs his shirt. I'm going to put it over here. He just drops it. That's pretty funny. Really funny. What space does to a motherfucker? Yeah. Now, we continue. The context is this is just your run-of-the-mill XQC stream and he's got someone in the background and Maid doing some stuff and he starts typing. Normally, I'm not like embarrassed chat so I'm more social and chill. But this time there's a lot of fucking trash. How much trash? How much trash do you generate? You're just one guy. Did you draw my ground? I might have had right next to me so that doesn't happen. That's a crazy invention you can buy. I might have had trouble buying it but when I saw the pictures of Asmongold's room, I was like, oh. This is apparently not too far from normal for a lot of streamers. They will order food and drink and then they will finish it and then it will be tossed in the room in there that they are in. I don't know how this develops because I'm sure all of you are thinking but why would you want to do that? That's not something you want to do because then it'll smell or it'll be there and grab it with you and put it in the kitchen or in the fucking bin outside. I understand like leaving it there during the stream but then when you're done, get up and you put it in a garbage can. As you can see, they've gathered any large bags to collect his waste and well, he's feeling embarrassed about it. You should get a fucking bin before your desk. Allegedly. So firstly, you're an adult you should climb up after yourself. Secondly, let's say you're very busy because you have a very successful business which to be very, he does. You can't climb up after yourself, you hire a maid. The maids don't come during the stream. No, saying that you have a big business implies that you produce things and maybe there's like byproducts of the manufacturing process. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. Why do you do that? Why? He's manufacturing content and he's producing trash both on-screen and off-screen. Got it. I've heard from a lot of streamers that this is just kind of normal and Destiny has talked about though his house is not that dirty but like Aswin Gold as you see. A lot of these streamers they're ordering food constantly they're ordering from Amazon constantly the boxes just pile up in the corner until it takes over their house and they all have to go through regular and to be fair I've definitely had times when I've been working like a 16 hour day and I've left something out for the next day it's like, I should have thought about it. I knew you would do that. I knew you'd describe something normal and try and squeeze it into this. You know how sometimes you don't throw everything away immediately he's like, yes, that's normal, that's fine. I'm going to give you I'm going to give you Dev's Law Dev's Law of Human Behavior Every abnormal behavior is actually just an extension of normal behavior just taken to the extreme. Well obviously that's true. Yeah, so like streamers are just doing what normal people do just a lot more of it so it's not normal then a lot of it in the most you see abnormal behavior it's just normal behavior but ab Well like hoarding is like hoarding is like we all get objects we buy things but hoarders just buy a lot of things and get a lot of things and just stack it up in the rooms until they die and suffocate or whatever happens to them or murder someone yeah murder someone that's just like an abnormal version of not liking them okay so it's basically the same thing you have to understand it's normal for us to eat stuff just for him he eats a lot and doesn't put things away yeah or he just eats too much like this woman in the video that he's looking at here with the massive gunt the uh since I am only obese that's how it is nice furtive gunt I named him a black woman she's pregnant she's not pregnant I hope she's pregnant I'm not trying to excuse this behavior I'm just saying that like if you put yourself in their shoes it becomes a bit more understandable how they can get themselves into the position we don't like your good faithness here okay this is bad faith there's no way I'm gonna have to crash around me and then have someone come and pick it up after me fuck that well I was about to say that's understanding the situation that's not the reason this clip was shown like all over the internet given minorities jobs and stuff is kind of you should just do that yourself well what do they think you know cause they can read it's bags and bags there's two people they've been cleaning for years I don't even know what to say look she's looking she's looking at it oh no just cause you're living in Las Vegas and she's brown doesn't mean that you can't fucking read English well I mean it's like right around here it's a toss up for some reason you believe she's just not gonna look and not gonna read and then she does both of those things and you're like Jesus fucking Christ maybe he thinks that he's the only person who could see this on the screen wow the best part to me a lot of people didn't share this part of the video this is his reaction after this drop the knife now drop it body cam video shows the suspect barely moving oh my god shame I do find that whole encounter strange why can't he talk to them I don't know yeah why don't you say hi why don't you say thank you can you not do this right now by the way I'm super rich I'm gonna give you a bonus today because I'm so fucking filthy we can just move past that I don't know why the whole exchange played out that way oh yeah he was cripplingly shamed because of the insane amount of trash like he couldn't speak to them okay yeah but I mean you should probably get over that quickly because that has to be dealt with it's just like well that's what it is hi how you doing you know things are good right either you learn how to take care of yourself body cam video shows you don't have time just be comfortable with paying them to do it because that's their job right they're professionals you're a professional like do the work you know also just obviously the PSA we need to let everyone in chat know if they didn't already but when you bring stuff to your room to eat or drink when you leave that same room you can take it with you and put it in bins or repair it to go out with the trash as they say you know these are all options you still have I have been right next to me it's crazy it works so well you can just put stuff in there and when it's full you can grab the bag and put it somewhere else preferably outside in the big bin everyone in chat is question marking me they don't know what I'm talking about what has happened the west has fallen this guy didn't know what condensation was you're expecting him to understand that he can like pick up trash and take it to different rooms at least he knew what the cones in the sand were he might he might not know about condensation but he knows a lot about what's the similar word con what's the word I'm thinking condescension people were saying condescension yes condescension wow like conservation he's conserving his trash no nice say that word condensation is what's up my mind condescension your mind is condensation so the word condensation is like a magnet a gravity magnet it's like a black hole and it's sucking every similar sounding word into itself so when I'm thinking about condescension condescension I think condescension what about concentration is that falling into concentration concentration is good it might just be it might just be conflagration those are fine it's condescension because it's so close to condescension condescension condescension see it's like a magnet it's sucking away my ability to say that word it's like the hologram and halo so this is his intentions with the h3 debate what's his goal are you trying to have a good conversation or are you trying to get a big on on him big on why would you say this why would you admit this he's gonna get a big on why would you admit beforehand that you're not coming into this in good faith I don't that's his appeal because he's dumb his appeal to his audience he's just gonna be a big asshole I guess don't worry guys I'll be a jerk if you're trying to win people over which presumably he would want to do this makes it a lot harder when you admit from the get go that you're not that interested in having a real conversation it would also be worthwhile to know as much as that appeals to his audience they would have been appealed anyway he doesn't need to say it but now he's knocked off all of h3's audience who they're interested in yeah that's true but you know it doesn't matter right it's still gonna be on the substance don't make me feel like because I think here's what I think I think people get jaded from a lot of things and it's okay it's just human nature right and I think his lawsuit jaded them about a lot of things I think all the people who are listening to this as a vaude on times 2 just went what what was it you'd not be able to watch this on times 2 I'm sorry you're gonna have to 1x your way through this one baby react content I think it's malding he's looking to really get a win it's an emotional win not a rational one I'm sure it's malding when something bad happens to you I'm sure there's some like Aristotle quote or Marcus Aurelius quote about malding he said malding is human nature it's a malded human nature it's a malded human nature it's a malded or not a malded that's the question I have a big problem I have a big problem please point like just out of curiosity I've heard only a bit of this but I don't know the full story what is the Ethan lawsuit he's referring to someone in chat said what must imagine Sisyphus malding I'm pregnant I'm pregnant oh my god that's so good now just imagining Sisyphus pushing a ball up the hill his stuff all hair is falling off of his head in real life sorry what was the question my head has become the boulder I have become the boulder was that that one woe jack of like he's just pushing his own head up the hill would it be boulder of worlds I guess boulder of worlds this could be so many memes making an illogical argument about malding is a fallacy I don't know if people will though that's right so the Ethan lawsuit what was the story there I don't know the full details on it I just know that I think he didn't piss someone off with coverage and they went after him in the nature of they used to try and get him and he fall back some guy made like a weird what was it called the thing where people like run up and down sidewalks oh parkour yeah some guy made a parkour video and at the end of it he's like it's like him racing a woman and at the end of it he's like hey baby can I get ya a number and anyway Ethan made a video making fun of it and he used a bunch of clips of it to make fun of it in his video saying it was illegal for him to use the clips in the video oh well that's not true yeah well that's I think Ethan used about 60% of the clips of the guys original work and Ethan eventually won the lawsuit but I think it took like a year or longer to go through and it cost him a crap ton of money and he had to raise a bunch of money because obviously this was before Ethan was rich so well good for him though actually taking it to court and getting something well I think the guys sued him I don't think he should be nonetheless like actually taking a fair use claim to court and fighting it and winning is a victory even though I don't like true that's a good point that is a victory he can do good things he can he can be of some use I will say after this the debate and some of the other stuff Ethan Stock has gone up lately it has gone up yeah it has gone up it only took an XQC and a Hassan I'm only here for a big own that's it oh you're right yeah it took the combined powers of XQC and Hassan to raise the stocks of Ethan it's all it took to bring back a glimmer of old Ethan I will say all our powers unite create this truly is the part two by the way because like in the previous half of this so to speak this story we did cover the what Ethan said to Hassan and it was incredibly satisfying to watch because Hassan couldn't run away he actually had to just admit that he was wrong and that there were better things to do it was neat it proved that all of his things are arguments are done out of like not malice but you know like they're not coming from the right place and they don't make sense and I can go on that with that you know okay what's the better way like yeah man sure say first off like I was saying thank you for um doing this I think it's important conversation to have and I think you're the right person to talk to about it simply because I feel and I think you would agree with this premise that you are you push the the fair use value or apparently you don't even care about fair use at all I don't want to put words on your mouth so you can correct me where I'm wrong but you seem to not so as we go through this I want to talk about his strategy Ethan's because I don't know how many people here anyone here has seen this in full already I was not able to make it through the full thing I've seen some of it so I've seen all of it and I have a distinct impression as to what Ethan's plan was and how one was executing it obviously I've seen it because I had to edit this whole piece of shit put a bunch of clips in here for the fun of everything it'll be worth it I swear but as you see as you guys know has come in here he's got some screenshots he's got the stats on his side and he's going to get a big own that's his intentions Ethan's maybe we'll talk about them as they develop but so far even just from that intro he sounds pretty normal right it's just like he's even said you're a good person to talk to about this and you don't believe in transforming shit or fair use right like that's not even your worry which in terms of strategy he's probably going to want to not the best chance I think XCC had was to try and focus on how nobody's truly transforming really ultimately all of us could go down in a court of law for not transforming enough in a lot of the things that we do because it's easier to win on the law of that than it is on the morality of it because the morality is obviously going to be really really difficult for everyone to draw a line or you'd be wrong you not know this what you guys do I think is far more legally protected in your conversation with him he said he didn't give a shit about the legality and people would just argue about the morality which I think was crazy but I think you'd have a stronger case to argue that because then you're kind of like personal opinion if you go by a lot of how the rules work EFAP covers basically 100% of the content every time which is something that can get you in a lot of hot water when it comes to trying to reach fair use because you there's a lot of arguments that can be made that we completely replace the course we would argue in the spirit that we've created something new that belongs to us now and they'd be like yeah but this is the thing I didn't say that we would definitively lose or anything but we'd be in some gray areas it would be difficult it would be it would go on for years more than likely and they appeal to that to try and say we're all the same everyone would end up in that situation so there you go whatever it's fine we can all transform at any length or ability that we have a preference for when of course I know you're trying to spend gold out of like dog shit here because you don't agree with that of course not but it's this is the thing I even when I was talking to XTC I was like this is probably the strategy you'd have to run along with like focusing on how you really do care about the creators and that you want to compensate them where and if necessary you're asking me to listen to you no no not at all and not to mention we're about to find out why that is almost irrelevant anyway but hey well I'm all probably before because I have so many thoughts to share if if he like when your guys had that conversation I think if he went into this and just said you know I like he laid out his moral stance where he thinks everyone should be able to use everything essentially which is stupid but then followed up with saying I'm totally willing to like pay people or share profits or all that stuff you kind of like well I disagree with him but you know he's not selfish right he's willing to share the money yeah that's I think that would have been his best approach to the conversation if he had hardcore focused on how he's very invested in making people whole so to speak Ethan would have trouble going after him I care about it or at least you push it as far as it can go so you seem like the right person to talk about it with okay so I think there's three points to that I don't want to get too debated yet I like him just now it's oddly he's placed it in front of his closet um I guess he doesn't want to go to the closet do you think he maybe opened the closet to see if he could get the giraffe in and then gave up oh yeah I couldn't tell that it was clearly just way too big he's like I'm not sure he might be able to fit I see he's got a piranha plan as well over there at first I thought that was the door into his room and he put it there to prevent the maids from coming in I think I value a good life product right? one I think I'm the right guy because I do a lot of it I do good reacts bad reacts but I do a high density of reacts I do a lot of it but on top of that against popular relief I guess these days I asked for permission a lot and I try to make an ecosystem where things are good and not conflictual that's the main point so being generous I think his open gambit is I do it all and my primary goal is to make sure everything is chill and has permission which is okay does the start it's a decent start but we'll see how it goes also I just thought it says a little rabbit bouncing around yeah there's the bunny fair that's all good I want to make one I want to make one thing clear I sure do love grass top is that I want to focus on he's totally looking a guide right now and he's got this set out because it's been seen before another podcast he writes all this shit out which is good by the way notes and sources and he knows what to bring out because that was almost essentially like intro statements say whatever you want now I'm going to focus on what I want to focus on I'm not even sure that he necessarily heard anything XUC just said the youtube uploads because the twitch streaming itself I feel like is too much of a grey zone and there's industry standard so I think that Ethan would condemn the twitch streaming aspect of it ultimately too but I think he thinks it's too difficult because there's a couple more aspects involved that make it a little harder to attack mainly to do with the markets crossing over people argue that they're different markets therefore it's okay which is funny when I think I think you can easily make a lot of the same arguments you would make for the youtube reuploads as you would for the stream if anything that might be more of the focus considering the XQC himself has stated that the majority of his income comes from a stream not his youtube reuploads because at the end of the day whatever it is that you end up reuploading is the content that existed on the stream so if it was principally wrong on the stream like in terms of not being sufficiently transformative you figure that that would you know well I think that we would just say stealing is stealing that's it full stop can you as a youtube creator go to twitch and file like a thing for a stream how does it even work if you're not like a big company there's like a DMCA form you can fill out I don't think twitch is competent enough to actually do anything with it to be honest so yeah I think Ethan's just trying to a difficult battle to fight because of all of the meta arguments that people make about how the streaming ecosystem works and sort of this weird divide between it being on stream versus being on youtube so I'm guessing he is discarding that completely because he doesn't want to deal with it he doesn't need it well it's also just the nature of streaming if you were to just turn on a protected video right now and just let it play with nothing else your stream would be disabled by youtube in a couple of minutes it would just be down because it automatically attacks that twitch doesn't have that you have to manually file with twitch does twitch have no content recognition system at all they do but it's not it's for music and it's not like always running all the time on every single stream not like youtube so like you have to file and then you have to hope someone sees it and then hope that they do what you want them to do but then again if like let's say that you're a youtuber and next you see his reaction to your hour long video you can file it but there's no way there's going to be an action before his reaction is done you know all you can do then is just try to somehow get revenue out of him it's not going to in the middle of the stream the way that you can do that on youtube yeah and I think the wards on twitch are not monetized like youtube videos are if I remember correctly I think they're just there for you to watch if you want to I don't think you have like a like a thing with ads or something I could be wrong I just don't know I just don't know so I've said a few times over the course of my eFabs that like I used to know somebody who used to work at twitch and he left around like 2015 or something wards used to be monetized you can have like banner ads appear in the vod at regular intervals but it broke at some point and no one fixed it and it's just broke what it broke like something went wrong with the code it was kind of bug or something and then the banner ads stopped appearing and that there just hasn't been they just haven't fixed it so there's no monetization that's money they leave on the table like twitch themselves why wouldn't they fix that that seems like such a worthwhile thing to fix twitch is like full of retards right now is there any actual coding or any innovation in like eight years buys and slander or something so yeah the only thing about this strategy from Ethan that I would consider a huge benefit to actually see if he notices it but I don't think he does is that if Ethan's willing to ignore twitch vods and twitch streaming that means that there's aspects of that that should be able to fold over to youtube that you can use in your own defense you can use that as a wrench later on if you're in trouble you can be like how come you're okay with twitch vods then when he brings up problems and then he'd be like oh shit you know it would make him stumble debate style sort of tactics because if it was me I wouldn't let twitch vods and streaming go I'd be like nope that's bad too I would be less I would be more hesitant to call what happens on twitch a violation of any kind so I just want to focus on what you upload to your youtube channel is that okay um okay so that's gonna be a yes and a no because I truly believe that twitch as a is it somewhat of a competitor on vods if twitch didn't have vods then that'd be wrong that'd be right but twitch has vods and all the vods stay up and when people react they leave the vods up and it's probably the same thing isn't this fascinating he's basically saying like you'd be wrong not to take issue with it because twitch vods can compete with youtube videos yeah yeah I had to kind of think about that for a second and be like wait the way that he's describing vods because I'm not really sure about the whole twitch thing but the way that he's describing vods they just seem like youtube videos like if any Ethan should just be like okay yeah right yeah like explain to me why this helps you I just opened that door for you to go from just close to it so okay I guess we're talking about this now yeah I guess being able to watch yes so regarding twitch vods right you have twitch vods which are basically just like youtube streams the same thing you just watch the stream for a while twitch experimented with having like vod they call them vod uploads it's just videos you're just uploading videos right but you could edit a video and upload it to twitch and have it play like a youtube video and they were experimenting with that I don't know if it went away but basically they didn't want twitch to be to actually be a youtube competitor in video playback so if you uploaded a video it had to be manually approved by someone at twitch and almost no one's videos got approved like that must be in yeah I mean they have to be manually approved how many people are working with twitch must do that I don't know if that's still going but I think because of the manual approval the feature was so unpopular I can't imagine it's going to be insane I don't know how to imagine if you needed to manually approve any video that goes up on youtube how many people you'd have to hire oh my god are we talking like thousands and thousands of people right like this is almost impossible watch every video actually yeah if you have to watch it before approving it I think that's just impossible surely because there's too many videos that are too long isn't that like like 500 million hours or something of youtube content that gets uploaded like per day more than people who upload like first second third fourth draft like they keep uploading and they keep approving I've seen this already but okay I have to watch it again because I don't know it's just just in case these people stuck in a dungeon just watching youtube videos all day every day yeah you just tell them yeah this is a six hour review of um I don't know Avengers Infinity War I snuck one N word in there so good luck um they finally find it and they're like yes now I can decline the video yeah supposedly there's 720,000 hours of video uploaded every day to youtube 720,000 hours jeez that's uh I would twitch with youtube like what was the thought process that everybody I'm not sure because uh I would have thought they would have wanted to set up as soon as possible the ability to upload videos just because you have videos saved if there are videos from the people who are streaming and you're known for those streamers it's encouraging those streamers to stay on twitch and to continue to use twitch for another purpose so I think it's because twitch's game plan is to monopolize streaming and not care so much about video on demand and now their objective is to survive but why I mean what happened was is that youtube came along with streaming but youtube streaming is fundamentally different from twitch like it feels different right but kick kick feels like twitch in its prime you go over to kick the way that everything's laid out and the emotes and the culture of the site it feels like twitch when twitch was good so I think kick is going to be what basically does twitch in oh you think because I have no idea at this point in terms of rumble kick and what's the what's the other one another one right? I like Odyssey's doing something, BitShoot's doing something they're all this is preferable that there's a bunch of them I hope that they all stay alive long enough to make competition happen because man because yeah it didn't critical leave twitch recently and people like oh is this truly the sign of the end for twitch now the big good lads are all leaving yeah did you? did you really? apparently he's streaming on youtube now instead oh okay I know uh yeah kick signed a bunch of people to take them away from twitch I do hope kick ends up working out because it's actually a pretty fun site to be on they're not just banning people for making the most mild of edgy jokes you can actually have fun on the site so okay oh people are saying he didn't he didn't leave but he's ended his exclusivity so now he streams on I guess both oh okay interesting we're listening to music on stuff that remains in the VOD okay that's true but just for the sake of this conversation I just want to focus on because like from a legal perspective and I know you don't really care about the legality of it and that's fine but I just want to focus on like the youtube videos as they stand as like a product I understand that the VODs are on twitch and that that would you know create an inherent problem as well but just for the sake of the conversation to keep things clean and keep us from getting too messy that's that's my focus if that's okay with I think that's pretty reasonable as an explanation of all of this is to figure it out on the grounds of youtube and all that it wouldn't apply to twitch VODs okay um you know what just for the sake of having a good argument I'll do that except for when except for when the topic matters if it doesn't overall fine but there are certain points that like it plays a big role into it if it's too big I think I want to ignore it you know what that's 100% fine I guess I'm just saying that for myself so that when I'm talking you understand that I'm talking about your youtube channel and not making general statements about what's happening on twitch okay that's fair okay cool so I guess my first question for you to start is that do you think your work is transformative of course that's one of the main tenets of fair use do you think your work is transformative yes which is a really interesting response because of course I was like didn't I ask him that he said no or the very least he admitted that his content is filled with non-transformative stuff and so again this part I almost want to try and wait until for years back because this class is golden fair what can we talk about to pretend as though we can't possibly continue in this few minutes well we can talk about well let's examine the room personally I was looking at his room and I realized that his skeleton had hung itself his skeleton could have taken it more and hanged himself no no no that was the maid from before oh no it's a warning to other maids oh no Maria I think it's because he's a huge fan of Jared it's a reference it might be a reference doesn't have the runes yeah it needs the runes permanent marker runes on it he's got some plushies on some spare computers I guess maybe the one behind him is a fridge is that a mini fridge I think that could be a coolie I'll say this is very low tier in terms of streamer backgrounds the giraffe is neat he's recently moved I think that's why he hasn't found the elements yet the feng shui as they say alright well he had enough time to hang his skeleton and bring in his his computers and his guns we will get that done when we move in we always put in the skeleton up if those are skateboards shouldn't there be wheels on them are they snowboards oh snowboards it's true there's no snowboarding here it doesn't come to mind snowboarding is hard by the way it's hard as fuck I told you about it so you guys know the streamer Ludwig right streamer I think I've heard I do yeah so he recently did a stream where he watched 9 episodes of Vinland saga on stream with everybody when I saw that stream I was like oh no why are you doing this but he's the kicker was he on kicker? no the thing is he asked Netflix a crunchy roll and a creator of the anime if he could do that to promote the show and they both said yes so he got permission to do both of those and was able to watch it live on stream with everybody nice so it's just interesting to see that people can figure that out with big companies but some other streamers can't even ask some YouTubers to watch the video I find that really interesting they're surfer on YouTube man oh this looks interesting you can't expect him to go to stop the stream and go ask or plan things it's got to be spontaneous it's a cool thing I find it super interesting I tried a picture of if the six of us had a deal where we could all watch Simpsons episodes just as an example how would it go do you think would we just laugh where laughing is relevant or would we pause to comment or comment while it's going I don't even know what would they want do they want the episode played mostly without interruption probably I mean before the three e-faps that we all did last year on this topic there was the Twitch TV the TV meta where they literally just watched full episodes of Hell's Kitchen and stuff on Twitch that was going for a while that finally got slapped by Twitch so for a while it was very common to just I think so yeah that's why they stopped I could have sworn it was mentioned that they're still trying it these days but maybe not I think it didn't why did she need to do it I don't know why I would say I don't know why I think maybe people who are lower on the rung deserve to do it more I don't know it's virtual girlfriendism okay you can sit with Pokémon on your virtual couch and watch Hell's Kitchen yeah gang gang ice cream yum ice cream so yum that computer that computer in the background I think that's the one he got from Linus Tech Tips oh it's been retired huh is it really bad I think Linus gave him like a free computer as like a promo thing for like a crossover and I think that's its fate it's now sitting there alright Fringy's back now so I'm gonna roll it back a little welcome back of course that's one of the main tenets of fair use of course that's one of the main tenets of fair use do you think your work is transformative um yes that feels like a different that feels different from what he said before so this is why I wanted you to be back first so here we go everybody cause I was watching this when it was happening you do here I mean okay cause I was watching I don't know if you heard that weird uh that sounded like someone that might be here right now watching you yesterday and here you said it's absolutely not transformative here it is you don't have to care that's totally fine but you agree oh my god oh my god Mahler I bought the h3 podcast now you made it on the h3 podcast you're so talented I made it and I yeah what I saw was like holy shit he watched the stream oh my god if he watched the stream then that means he is very prepared yeah that means he fucking knows what advice was given and he knows what context was given so it's just like yep this is uh good luck XQC this is all you can have now you've created non-transformative reactions 100% yeah okay that's fine we agreed yeah what else do we even said 100% so so here you say you've 100% made non-transformative reactions did you change your mind um no no no absolutely not the whole point is that never is overly bad because I think we all have stuff that is non-transformative if you do a full on yes or no I just kind of like play with the question and that was kind of like play with the question just play with the question I legit my very good friend that question I think there's a core idea in his head and it's struggling to get out which is yeah uh you know I was vague with my answer sometimes or at least left room for interpretation but ultimately I have made non-transformative and transformative reactions that's what he wants to get to I think but this is like he's just all over the place already because this has got to be a little bit stressful to be playing a clip of yourself talking but contradicting what you just said so but your work is not fully transformative some of it is not by your own admission look at that face he's like admit it what? you know you cocked it yeah some of it is less reactive yeah 100% okay so in that regard do you care at all about like IP or copyright or like the fact that it's illegal does that matter that it might be illegal does that matter to you? oh no it doesn't matter flat out it doesn't because that's fair that's totally fair and so because what? you know what to be fair that was definitely like a chad no situation it's like don't you care that this is bad no alright it makes our job easier ish I guess I think the problem Ethan was having was just like wait now where do I go do I go trying to explain why it's something you should care about or should I just be like wow wow there you go you don't care which means you don't care about stealing stuff you know it's just like because I don't think he expected necessarily for him to just go like nah fuck it fuck it it doesn't matter to you I don't think it's there's any point to really even discuss well I can elaborate I can elaborate a little bit go ahead please and open the door a tiny bit just to give you a general angle general angle one of my favorite Star Wars characters usually the people that enforce it are the ones that have a problem with it the problem with the nature of the content itself I mean kind of in terms of the reality technically if I'm playing some telltale game well I mean they could take me down and then they want there comes the gaming argument maybe they could it's a little unclear the gaming thing is strange but no one really goes after it I always hate the gaming it's brought up because it's a very different medium and if I have my favorite game for its story and I wanted to know what everyone thought of it I could watch all of you play it separately and then play it myself you know I mean like it's fundamentally there is a difference between playing a video game and watching a video game whereas watching a video and watching a reaction to the video that adds only like 5 minutes to commentary is more or less the same thing mechanically you would absolutely all do different things but even that's why I brought up a story part even that you could all react very differently you could all create an experience that's very unique it feels like there's a reason that companies haven't on mass clamped down on that though it probably should be admitted like we are in a timeline that is a lot luckier than others where they did and a hell of a lot less content is available for that but that's the argument that a lot of people try to put in for why react stuff where they don't transform anything is okay because games okay this is okay but I don't know if you guys feel the same way but if someone was to do an XQC with I don't know I think of a game like DRS does probably a good example I'd be like you pretty much have just stolen the whole experience of DRS to and re-uploaded it he did say XQC did specifically say a telltale game right so I don't think a telltale game should count necessarily there's choices everywhere so it's different DRS there's a game that I think that was the example TotalBiscuit gave of like wait a minute is this a game because you just walk forward I think all you can do is stuff I can't remember if that's but yeah that's their game and I'm yonking their stuff so legality wise they could clap me for everything I've got but for just playing their game sure yeah I don't I wouldn't say that because again I don't think it's true I don't think it's not true either it's that weird sort of gray area of nobody like nobody does it and it's probably gonna stay that way you do not want to be known as the first game developers or studio or publisher to really go after people for doing that it's like the worst PR you could ever do but I wouldn't just so blatantly outright say oh yeah I'm not allowed to do this it's not a good position for you to put yourself in obviously well so fair use is decided on a case by case basis by a judge or jury so it's hard to do epic sweeping generalizations about what is and what isn't but ultimately if I understand your position you don't really care about the legality of it you're more like concerned with the philosophical thoughts of like reacting to content the limitations of that I care enough enough about it to where it affects me right so I have to care if it affects me what a lie it affects me it's stuff because it's the legality of it if somebody wants to strike down send out a claim I have to act on that so even though I care or not that will happen and it happens all the time except I like to create an environment where I engage with people in content that are not going to do that because they believe in the mutually beneficial nature of the interaction which has video games even though the video games could strike me and they want to just play a game on my stream right so I think my point is that we can kind of skip this whole conversation because I think we both agree if we did a fair use analysis and you admit that when you say it's not transformative that a lot of the stuff you do would fail the fair use test so we're at the same page and also a lot of your stuff too so we're in the same boat pretty much no I don't watch H3S3 but they have so many things but they just talk to each other and then have clips from something in there this was always definitely not comparable at all the strategy I mentioned this is always going to be XQC's plan was to try and level the playing field be like we're not so different you and I you can't come at me with your moral high ground because you're the same as long as XQC can sort of muddle everything up enough and get enough of an argument enough of an example then you're in hell with me probably not as much but even then that's not the best strategy you have to drag down the other person to your level I guess in a way that helps but really it doesn't change anything about what you've done and all Ethan would have to say is yeah I've done it in the past but that was a mistake that I did it and I think that it's bad so that instantly creates the distinction between the two of them which is not what XQC wants to have so it's very easy to get out of and it doesn't even really help you so I did a little stats maybe you don't want to hear it because you want to wait what was that translate I have statistics that will prove you wrong but perhaps you're going to put your fingers in your ears and say la la la la that's what he was just saying I love that song that was such a strange instant shift into a much more confrontational yeah apparently I think XQC believes already that Ethan's super hostile and to be fair he kind of is yeah you shouldn't take too long to discover Ethan's ulterior plans here but not to be his friend the fact that he's got clips on hand and he's studied that already shows but I'm just saying this comes across as a particularly big escalation in the confrontation you don't want to be the first person to throw out the insult yeah you wouldn't want to do the whim or anything what's happened there is he's very explicitly said I have the information to be a bit too emotional about it that you want to ignore it it feels like this is how all conversations go like the subtext eventually it always happens usually it doesn't happen in like three minutes no all of a sudden by density of content with how much you upload as a person as a channel I upload this much overall because I have a lot of runtime you upload about this much to break down the percentage of not similar content your ratio is how is mine I have no idea what you're trying to say right now it's not fair because Ethan could just say that at any point in the conversation I literally don't know what you're saying I don't understand this much that much you gotta explain that a little more do you see him smile I don't have to say that I feel like he knows he can pull the I don't understand what he's saying whenever he wants did XQC have like a data analysis person like go over the entire channel of H3H3 and run we will say in words we're gonna see an example of what XQC's editor has done for XQC and prep for this debate the things that are all on YouTube because you don't need to talk about my podcast it doesn't matter your content the stuff that you control and upload overall all the content you put out there I have about that much because it's a lot of runtime I have no fucking idea what you're talking about do you have proof of that you're just saying that much of this much that seems a little silly I have one of the highest runtime across the internet in terms of putting out content that you do with your commentary on the video if your stream is 12 hours long and you're reacting to an 8 minute video it doesn't matter it matters what you said about the 8 minute video it doesn't matter how long you streamed for he's right but the thing is all XQC's trying and failing miserably to say is that you are probably more a higher percentage of your content you probably transgress more than I have that's what XQC's trying to say he's wrong what is your evidence of this but this is the thing Ethan knows as well as we do the audience have no fucking clue what XQC's saying for the most part actually you talking about length is irrelevant and shows your lack of knowledge XQC would be like I'm talking about it point so if you let me elaborate on my point instead of breaking the semantics you're bringing in semantics by saying you don't understand what the hell I'm saying by not hearing my words you are doing semantics I think a lot of people they associate the word semantics with maybe they think that semantics means useless filler of a conversation instead of an important element of words and what they mean in their context I think semantics are important I think that I find it often annoying whenever someone says you're just doing semantics especially in a conversation where you disagree on the meaning of a word yeah like this is foundational to our we have to resolve this using the same words to mean the same thing otherwise we're just going to be talking past each other the whole time that's just semantics you're like sure it's not just semantics it is semantics it's Sitch's law what's Sitch's law Dev gave us his law the majority of arguments mine is much better the majority of arguments are really about definitions you just don't realize it interesting now what do you mean when you say definition well semantics is the condensation of words it's mysterious and wet where does it come from words generate meanings in the same way that the air generates water imagine if I've tried it before imagine if there were people with that Libertalia was just full of jam that like Avery and all of his pirate buddies had just taught a jam and they killed each other fighting over the jam and then Nathan starts shoving the jam into his shirt to try and collect it all together and he's like why can't I hold all this jam you're just slipping on it you're running semantics that's how fair use works okay we're not even talking about the nature of the condom yet fuck the condom hold on just to be clear you said you said you said you said you said hold on just to be clear you said you don't do fair use but I don't also so okay real quick it sounds like what's happening right now is XQC is panicking he knows he's kind of caught in a corner like this early on which is crazy for a debate but he's caught and that's what it sounds like the way he's trying to that might be how it sounds but seriously he's just trying to say Ethan you do it as well and worse that's all he's trying to say but he's really bad at speaking I wonder if like if you're blind right and you're like an inch away from a wall that you're about to hit you don't actually know it's there even though you're about to run right into it I feel that's kind of like how XQC is here he doesn't plan ahead when he starts a sentence no one knows where it's going to go or what thoughts it you know let him hear discovering it all as he goes to be slightly fair to XQC which I hate to do he's just Ethan just keeps interrupting him he should just say oh like let me state my full argument before you interrupt me and then we can talk about whether the argument is valid or not yeah I think everything that was just said is true I actually think all of those things are happening all at the same time because showing him a clip of himself definitely would have stressed him a little bit that's some deer in headlights a little bit oh yeah I mean he's definitely stressed out I think that's part of the reactions the other guy's more prepared than you are I'm not prepared we're talking about care use just to be clear right okay okay let's let's reel back a little bit and stop being stupid for a minute and just kind of like listen you're bold that makes me it's slipping in the insults instead of it's stupid it's super just to look at it like an actual like if there were health bars because it feels like a defensive punch that misses it's like what are you doing if you're thinking of a pokemon battle it's like yeah it's just a miss you cast counter but there was no attack so just imagine like defense like as soon as the clip got played it was like growl defenses down I think the obvious one here is it hurt itself and it's confusion oh yeah I don't know if yeah I wouldn't there's something specific he does that I would totally say that for but um this just feels like a miss to me like look at Ethan's face he's like what was that you just call me stupid for no reason at all well see this is why I think it's a deer in the headlights reaction right to having your being on the back foot immediately but being hit with your own clip you know and I from what I saw of this it just feels like he stays in the back foot the entire debate because he doesn't he doesn't ever recover from having his own words played in him well it certainly like obviously if you had a PR guy you'd be like don't don't do it before Ethan does it Ethan's audience are now going to be 100% against you I think the most important thing here is that Fringy is a fake Pokemon fan because growl reduces attack defense oh my god it's hail whip hail whip and lear lear is making it to fall sharply yeah that's right and of course stand attack lowers accuracy yeah what's the one with speed wait wait wait what did you just call what did you just call Pidgey fake fan detective it's Pidgey Pidgey Oto and Pidgeyot Pidgey is not Pidgey I didn't even know what I was laughing you got me I'm Pidgey the fool I wish it were called Pidgey Pidgey, Pidgey Oto, Pidgeyot what a pity what a pity come on that way I'm going to say it that way we got to see how he gets out of this he's on the hero's journey right now okay I'm listening you said see I feel like Ethan's like I'm winning this is working I haven't even tried yet I'm already winning feel like I overprepared yes you said that too but yes yeah absolutely I understand and I said that you did you right and I'm going to say you did you hey sit you did you you did you it was like a fun game show super wholesome who did you I'm Gene Rayburn welcome back to who did you with our special guest Richard Dawson two double fall fallacy right but in the instance where you try to take the high road and say well I don't do this guys well you do and the my next point is that an amount of content that you upload you're non-reactive there's actually quite a lot of I don't know what that means I don't know if you've caught it but seriously I like my main issue for him right now is he just can't fucking say what he's trying to say which is just you do it you do it worse than I do all he's trying to say how hard is it to say that and he keeps like moving around and Ethan's able to just poke at him being like what are you talking about why'd you keep talking about length and this and that that's not that's not a fair use works to stop saying that it doesn't mean anything you're just saying stuff I'm just saying words well I'm saying that you're just doing this you do a lot of this and this there's no stats there's no data I don't even know what you're referring to and that by the way this was this where I was like wait a minute if you remember my conversation with XQC and other times he's spoken on this he does say specifically the phrase like stats and data he says that all the time I think Ethan's heard him say that and he was waiting to throw this out first to be like you have no stats and data look at you no stats and data I need the stats and data if you want to be proven right you're just saying this is long which if he did do that like if he had prepared and actually like taken a sample or something and compared it he could have gotten him but if he's just appealing to this even if you found a couple examples even then you could always you could be like and think of the ones we didn't find compared to how many videos I can get a view but I mean he probably hasn't done that in this conversation doesn't he bring up something or tries to bring it up I don't know does he okay well um I saw like the first 30 minutes we're gonna get all kinds of developments but like the all I'm getting at here is that Ethan's just trying to be him up right now verbally Ethan is using debate tactics here because he does understand the concept that XQC is trying to say but he keeps saying well you're saying doesn't make any sense so he's trying to like perform for his audience to just disregard it like the concept if Ethan picked up 45% of a point from what XQC said every time he'll be like unless we hit a 60 I'm just gonna appeal to him being nonsensical I can and it'll work he knows he understands what he's trying to say I think he I think anyone can if they really try to listen to XQC and take it slowly which is again why I feel like XQC's got every right to start getting angry but you've got a hold back on random insults because it makes you look like a fool stop saying that it doesn't mean anything you're just saying stuff well I'm saying that you're just doing this you do a lot of this and this there's no stats there's no data I don't even know what you're referring to I mean if you want to talk if you want to talk about stats and data he's introducing himself to his own angle he's he's railroad which is it's a way to do it it's a strat but you go to worry for XQC now it's like wait what no I was doing a thing where are you going one specific video that I just analyzed just picked one out of the lot a rapper who got a $20 and Frank tattoo this is a let me just read off the stats and you can tell me if Matt is up or is worse so this is a video uploaded to your channel 10 days ago rapper who got a 10 minute and Frank sorry a $20 and Frank face tattoo okay so the original video run time is 9 minutes and 13 seconds oh sorry no the original video is 8 minutes 33 seconds okay the video here he added 40 that's neat good for you he added 40 seconds compared to the amount that he would have added to the JFK LEMONO video that might actually be more sure if the ratio works out is less here that you uploaded is 9 minutes 13 seconds that means you added 40 seconds to an 8 and a half minute video adding 7.8% run time actually I even did you a favor I condensed all of your commentary on this specific video into just a short video because it's only 40 is it the only favor easy to see you've just been railroaded hard you don't transform and then he's got you all like look how awful this is wow 3 seconds so I'm kind of impressed yeah he's not doing too bad he just put the noose around his neck he's like let me do your favor let me tighten this noose around your neck I'll show this well this is important because what you say the commentary does like no don't speak don't speak until I'm done matter because before you finish let me go so you're about to prove me right I said I do non-transformative dog shit and you're about I do non-transformative dog shit I do like him in subways we don't disagree on everything yeah okay fair so I don't have to show it to you you don't clap me because I mean I just said I did that as I say I'm white and I'm on camera what's happening what are we talking about his point is that your stated facts that we've already everyone knows is true and we've all agreed that's what he's trying to say but just saying that's like saying I'm white and I'm on camera he's like what are you talking about Hitler would not be proud it's such a bizarre fucking approach to this it just feels to me like he's flailing a little bit here he's using splash this is more transformative than mine the consistency the point you're trying to make well hold on before you do that let's just they both want to play their shit let me wait I'm gonna do my fist I do think it's interesting because the commentary does this is so funny to me because like obviously I did it for him with the JFK video it looks like the editor slash producer whatever has gone out and found one of the worst examples and he's put together all of the reactions from the video to show you all of the transformative elements right that's how this works this is one of the what the fuck am I and it's so annoying to know that he actually just does this all the time he just keeps going what the fuck what no way I'm a big ol' house if that was finished wait that is the response it's pretty good actually that guy's pretty good at that I know this video that's wild though it's so funny as well because you can already see that he didn't even talk about the obvious thing to talk about with a video like that should that be something you be allowed to do what would you say about a friend who maybe chose to do it he doesn't talk about any of it he just goes what a far what a far what a far what a far imagine having a friend I wonder what the far I guess I thought they had like one song hey that was it shit in the playback the giraffe is still there so that's been there for a while then I guess so he's just living that at least that was really recent like really like yesterday night I don't know it could have been he's just like scouring watching every stream well that's the thing though you can't tell the difference between someone like sniping a really great example deliberately to make him look bad or this could just be a random normal newest one you don't know I could believe so that's the entirety of the commentary you added to his eight and I know you don't defend yourself on this so I guess it's kind of a move point but the quality of the commentary you've admitted guilt he has said he's guilty just to be clear but moving on you could tell they probably talked about this off stream and it's like you've now laid him out the audience aren't going to be sympathetic to him at all at this point you have to be commenting analyzing being critical of the content you're watching for it to be fair use but that doesn't matter right because you don't even believe it is I think you're right so I think instead I think we should get an example of one of your examples then it's now turned into fuck you you do it too bitch you're just as bad as me which can only not really do much it's a lateral move at best let us begin the hundreds of millionaires fighting each other by throwing shit at each other that's what life is all about I guess I'd love to let's get one of your examples that show me the guidelines what I should do to react no he does so instead of having my example of this I think we should use yours instead so I could learn how to be a better creator how about you click on that good idea good idea oh I have to open it yes in a chat one second here don't tell me it's the clip that he was complaining about when he was watching them on their original podcast right like when they sat there just watching to see how long it would be before he spoke it's probably worth mentioning now the way this has worked is XQC has been supplied clips slash edited videos from his editor and I don't even think he's seen them this is his editor's work and his editor's told him I found examples of Ethan doing the thing that he's going to rip into you for so just play these on the stream so yeah you uploaded to your XQC clips channel you uploaded five so you uploaded five well I just want to explain it you uploaded five clips just play it so when it was my turn you played my clip when it's your turn you don't play the clip and you just comment before seeing it for you I'm going to play it I'm opening it here sorry here it is here's one of them from your channel 1.2 million views in six now is it okay if we watch this one Ethan shows XQC how transformative reactions are done number four this is the one you uploaded number one two three four yeah there's one two three four they're all good so here it is so you can finally over Logan Paul do you have a problem already Felix there's a cut here there's okay King why is there a cut there huh so may as well get all the context out early so you can understand how this conversation goes what Ethan is going to try and argue here is that he's he's taken what was it like an eight and a half minute video and then he took XQC's reaction which came to nine minutes and ten seconds something like that and what he did was have the editor chop out every last thing XQC says and then look at the length of that and then look at the content of it that's what I did when looking at XQC stuff as well because that gives you a strong impression of everything that XQC added and when you see that it's like what the what the XQC's editor the fucking galaxy brain that he is was like oh so you take an issue with anyone who just sits there watching the thing right and it's like sure and it's like okay so if I cut out all of your commentary there isn't that look like sit there just watching it for like three whole minutes oh and it's like oh you did the reverse oh no you fool editor to prove that Ethan is just as a vicki like basically take an EFAP stream and then play all of the times we play the video and cut everything else out and you're like see you don't transform it it'd be like you idiot you fucking moron you're fool it's actually actually taking me a while to sort of comprehend just how foolish that is this is this how long is the bother earning those vinyls that's the problem with that Ethan lays out pretty clearly this is the length of the original this is the length of yours here's your reaction that makes it really easy to follow if you just show me three minutes of Ethan not saying anything that means nothing to me if I don't know how long the video is already pointed out the first few seconds has a cut in it it's like wait what was in the cut something that I said the cut was the transformative content so yes if you cut out all the transformation yeah I guess I don't say anything and the thing is Ethan was there when this was created so he's gonna know that he probably transformed it because he's this is the thing you're dealing with Ethan Klein someone who is very very familiar with how this works and legally speaking knows he needs to transform it well yeah more so than a lot of people he'd be aware there's also the fact that you see decided to come with this evidence and not even check out he didn't watch them beforehand which is a huge mistake it's that terrible mix of he's an idiot and also a fool doing this debate in the first place was probably never gonna work out good but he doesn't have an understanding of his own let's call it intellectual limitations and he had to bake prep that was weird yeah like you have all of these resources to work with you can just pay people to do all this work I did watch the Destiny debate prep didn't XQC just do nothing that Destiny said he should do pretty much ignored all of it he didn't take my advice either focus on how you want to help people focus on you don't come across as an asshole it's a really really good bit of advice but nevermind yeah at least be nice you know at the very least come across as likeable that helps like you can maybe win this debate if you focus on the raw numbers of how much a YouTube creator gets a bump from a Twitch streamer watching their stuff you can make a decent argument there just from like the consequentialist point of view like hey look your channel blew up after I reacted to your stuff you can make that argument he just didn't do it there's loads of avenues he could have taken he could have argued this in a way that would work out well but he's really not doing well so far I don't know if Ethan points this out but the video that XQC brought up Logan Paul apologized to me by CoffeeZilla it's 13 minutes and 15 seconds long the editor cut out Ethan saying nothing for only 2 minutes of a 13 minute video that literally makes Ethan's point yes Flix there's a cut here okay Kani why is there a cut there huh? oh wow huh? this is why it's good to explain all this before I end yeah there's a cut here so whenever you play my video did I say wait Ethan I think I've seen something on the screen right there is that a dead pixel just play the fucking video bro and XQC has no idea what Ethan's getting at already okay but it undermines your argument if you're showing an edited clip if you're cutting out my commentary and then trying to say I don't you do fair use I'm not playing finally over Logan Paul apologized CoffeeZilla probably about the right time to comment on how insane this is by the way we're watching an editor took a reaction to a video about a whole other thing and chopped it up to show on a show about reaction content whether or not it's fair use it I like how the cameras are all in there and we're reacting to that and all the cameras are in different positions as well it's like who's the real one some other streamer reacts to this and their camera is going to be in the final the fourth corner fortunately it looks like Ethan changes his background so instead of the little bunny in the forest it's like a winter wonderland I like the bunny on the beach I like the beach bunny I like the beach bunny yeah he's just you know he's chilling out having a great day we said they like beach bunnies I love beach bunnies yeah you got a problem with that no he does that all the time he said it about santa too wow yeah you did first response he apologized look at this idiot it's not the editor by the way has now edited in clips of Ethan saying look at actually sitting there like a moron like trying to say hi you do it too big blunder because that just makes it hard to follow it does it actually confuses it if there's one thing that you need for this it's clarity it's like that I mean hold on I will say as someone watching this as a stream there's two Ethan's voice that's not coming from either of them wait what do you think that XQC's editor said that he needed to condense the video and XQC was confused by that word you're probably right he didn't talk about it he's literally just sitting there quiet and now we've been to cut a piece from leftovers it's like why are you doing that it's just confusing everything especially when there's only XQC's they're together oh my god you see him at the top right he thinks he's winning something here we all look at Ethan's face it's just like it's none of this which Ethan look at that face that's like a face of what is going on 30 seconds you should sue him fuck you XQC you beef bitch turns out it's actually on his secondary channel I'll play the whole thing just let me know when to stop see if you want me to thank you coffeezilla they could sue you and they would be right to sue you I think they would be in the right I think so Paul and it's a pretty big change in Logan's attitude so far so let's see what he has to say to us coffeezilla is not a criminal I wonder if he's gonna hire me what do you want to keep up the guy says I wonder what you have to say about this he thinks this is a slam dunk he thinks he's got him he hasn't said shit yet so I mean well you told me to let the clip play do you want me to interrupt it you got to choose a lane I was trying to be creative with it he's trying to be creative I was trying to be creative I believe you do comment down at the same time I was asking the old Ethan the guy that's morally aware of everybody he's high-roading to react to it but he's not saying shit do you want me to keep playing it okay cool but in all seriousness that's a good well you caught out fundamentally we have no fucking clue what he's caught out it's useless absolutely useless information have some major admissions in it I want to go through for one Logan apologizes to me I called him I apologized my criticism of him right now was that he uploaded this to youtube because I understand the nature of I'm gonna tell you I find it really interesting that you think this is compelling this actually first of all there's what can you say you failed to understand the point so hard so many cuts in it it's not persuasive at all but one thing I do want to ask you about is why you cut out the beginning of the segment when I talked about it here's when I set up the video here it is and again the framing what you say what would have happened while they were playing that is someone as a part of his team would have just gone the length told him play the beginning and you could just counter it in real time he has a team so when you have a lot of money and you have a team of people that you pay to help you with your job you can utilize these resources in order to help you not look like a fucking moron on the internet to be fair it's not the money isn't the problem with XQC he's rich it's the latest oh yeah he is a gajillion I think what we're actually saying is what you have oh shit buying a giraffe which by the way that's okay I'd do that baby I'm totally for buying the giraffe but I think he had a little bit left over to maybe you know spring for him improve his yeah so you could like maybe it's an expensive giraffe like an albino giraffe or something you can build a studio and expand your business and have employees and do a real thing or you could buy a giraffe he tried to pay his maids his editor didn't make this montage that is true but he's paid so something went very wrong because I think what you will hear here listen if it were a live giraffe is it better math on that yes you could you could ride him around town well sure but you probably edit better videos pulling that giraffe from his natural habitat yeah manna eight leaves off of tall trees and everything whatever it's a closet giraffe though well I feel like I like that very antithetical to where giraffes ought to be yeah and that's why it was so expensive and he couldn't afford anyone to do a shit for him there you go we solved it not joking by the way I would wonder who's whose team actually sees editors on a traitor to the throne so here's how that clip starts Felix what you cut out for some reason yeah so Logan made a video after you got absolutely bought like bought deed for his response where he's like I'm going to sue you this is bullshit why did you cut this me oh you played up video so is that a pre-act is that like a pre-act you just went in and pre-act is when you react a pre-act is like now we're going somewhere else why does that count it's like well the clip should probably count yeah I mean it should count yeah because you're adding content and also it's not mandatory you could just not do it well I mean that's what that's how it works for some reactions on Twitch right they'll just throw on the video and then just get up and leave without any preamble the preamble and your perspective on it is transforming it but it's just the point that he did make it's like why'd you cut it because you can't cut it if you didn't have the clip beforehand like the first thing that happens is the first part of the clip you can't miss it well to be the crazy part there is an answer to that question that is genuine and that is I was just showing how much time you don't react to and that you are sitting there and then the conversation moves into yeah but I'm allowed to do that as long as I'm transforming the majority of it that's the confusion but now XQC is like pre-act we actually can't stay on this is a losing argument anyway but he can't even like stay on it to his credit the word pre-act is pretty clever it's pretty clever I like it that is funny react is an alright portmanteau but I wonder who I wonder where he heard it from took out like 30 second slices from it so basically what you were saying is that you're going to the bar right and this part is like where you get in and where you get like a beer or something like that right and the rest of it you just fucking say what the fuck is that drinking guys talking about it why did you make it so much more complicated XQC like it's going to confuse the shit out of everyone why don't you just this is like why not just say what it is instead of trying to be like a magical parable to try and get the idea across just to find it just say what it is don't know what is any fucking clue what you're going on about fucking just like the intro so if you put an intro you're good so you don't understand how fair use works and that's fine but I don't know why you want to debate fair use when you don't care about it yes what you say in the beginning matters bro you're analyzing I'm contextualizing I'm criticizing I'm analyzing it that's what fair use is I'm not just sitting there and the audience isn't just re-acting watching the video while I mean you do get up and go to the bathroom a lot so I know that you want to but that's fine because you don't care about it but for you to think that this is so you use me as an example for your indignity feel it your identity indemnity? he wouldn't have used that way no why it must have been identity maybe indignity it could be because you mentioned going to the bathroom which is an indignity indemnity is security or protection against a loss or other financial burden so there's a chance he could have meant indemnity then there's a chance that I might be a chance if we hire a team of seven lawyers to investigate this sentence there is a non-zero chance that this might make some level of sense in a certain context depending on your interpretation chat like this no fucking way do you think this clip is compelling do you see what I'm saying that this example is really dishonest okay so in that clip my editor edited your own words saying it your editor did this have you watched it so this is a part that I particularly love listen specifically to the answer SQC gives though the answer should just be yes yeah wait for it you just watched it for the first time so the cuts have you watched the unedited version on my podcast so I'm going to go back because I feel like it may have been missed okay so in that clip my editor edited your own words saying it oh can I ask you something your editor did this have you watched it well yeah I watched it like you just did I watched it like I just did he's like you just did yeah Ethan we were there you were with me a moment ago you've watched it before like a little boy with his hand in the cookie jars like did you just take the cookie to go I didn't what do you know no it's like mom comes in and she sees you with a hand in the cookie jar she's like what are you doing here and the kid's like what are you doing here I'm protecting the cookies what are you doing but yeah just knowing in that moment like fuck I obviously should have watched them what have I got is there anything I can say it's like just say you have watched it just now cause you just did that's true there's also like a drop of throwing his editor under the bus in there too he doesn't really say it but the way that he like the tone of his voice is like well my editor this is like oh okay he's trying to pivot to throwing his editor under the bus mm-hmm I clip my editor edited your own words saying it oh can I ask you something your editor did this have you watched it um well yeah I watched it I did are you just watched it for the first time have you watched the unedited version on my podcast um yeah it's okay so then why was this removed if you don't let me talk I mean we're not cause yeah he's actually correct here you're not even letting it he answers the questions which is good and then goes to say someone else and then Ethan cuts them off it's like being a little rude being a little rude well I just want to get to the point you know what I mean cause I don't want you to deflect I want to know why you cut this part then when you ask a question you have to wait for me to answer otherwise it's not going to work okay go ahead please I apologize that's good stuff go ahead okay so there's four of them out of many of them by the way there's we only upload four cause we didn't want you to go crazy with the DMCA stuff um basically it's pretty much a lot of it's spliced that was a knock at him by the way that wasn't like a legit point I was just saying that we had five examples of you not transforming didn't want to do more than that cause didn't want you to DMCA us cause Ethan on leftovers made comments about how he hopes that XQC reacts to something he's made so we can DMCA him that's what that comment relates to and that's why Ethan made a face cause of course he wouldn't DMCA him for using examples in favor of a debate about fair use back to back cut it's like you're pausing a video but it's the same thing you go and stretch it two and a half you like how we try to make two and a half sound log two and a half yeah that's a lot of minutes man that's a huge amount of minutes but here's what I will say go get the one from that one you combo mustache twiddling hair and neck skin and you do like this what is he talking about what he's trying to say is the Ethan's commentary on meetcadion's video about twiddling his mustache and touching his neck and stuff but I feel like he just never communicates very well so you just listen you're like what the fuck are you doing signature villain maneuver by the way touching one's neck you see him I'll do it I'll do it that's major react bro you're right you understand this concept because you talk about all time meetcanyon is my friend who gave me permission to react oh so it's about permission then sometimes hold on before we move on I just want to make it clear that when you're accusing me of not adding enough commentary that you did upload a clip that's deceptively edited and I mean frankly which is true he needs to get back on to that point because that is when you don't want to lose out on the XQC's edits that try to fuck you over in a really really dumb fucking way don't let him forget it's dishonest why did you cut this beginning part it wasn't deceptively edited it was just a stupid concept XQC never explained to the audience it's up to the it's really up to you whether or not you want to go one direction or the other I think it's absolutely an accident the editor misunderstood but that you can easily sell it as deceptive and especially when you want to make XQC look worse but I'm with you I think it's incompetence I think the editor was like see he sits there for a whole two and a half minutes mm-hmm so Ethan why did you cut this? unfortunately the problem that I have right now is that you're saying that now and you're saying all this whatever right but it's quite literally you in the video that's edited you're just cutting it it's not the video how is there's cuts in it how it is how is that a representation of my analysis all right then examine exhibit B the meat channel one I already told you I had permission okay okay so why do I need to look at that so now it's about permission all in this one aspect yeah in the video you're trashing me you say he's sitting there and I will say I think XQC's managed to slither out of that now Ethan's let him do it he's like fine we'll go on to talk about permission 40 seconds without talking that's one of your major concerns or criticism it's why it's highlighted so much in the video that's a big hit you can do it and I'm going to show examples of you what he goes that fast I got nothing I don't know it fucking hurts my head like slow down just a little bit the whole point of communication is that other people understand your words and your thoughts so slow the fuck down it doesn't matter if you're saying things quickly if no one understands you you're just wasting everyone's time okay maybe just rewind it and like set it to 0.5 no no fucking way you understand all the times where you go not only 40 seconds you go 2 minutes without talking so then I don't have to argue against you you have to argue against yourself because these are your own words well here's what I'll say about that you're right because the 40 second thing is not a good analysis that's not a good that wasn't a good thing I said because when you're considering fair use considering the totality of it so what's happened here is that Ethan I think on Leftovers said if there's a 40 second amount if there's a time of 40 seconds if you're not adding anything then that's an automatic fail but Ethan's probably realizing that's not a good metric because there probably are times where that's okay I'm sure there's times on EFAP where we've let it go for 40 seconds that's probably happened it's a wider context you've got to consider more things he was just annoyed to see a stretch of 40 seconds I gotta say this part here where he's like take it back then didn't he just do that by saying it wasn't a great argument the thing about it is there's nothing to take back because he's talking about XQC's approach in totality not whether or not he did a 40 second gap in that that's wrong in and of itself this is complicated because it's like well yeah I guess I was talking about your content when I said the 40 second thing and that's not a valid critique but you are one of the worst reactors of all time I'm still standing by that that's what's gonna cause a huge breakdown here in terms of communication take it back in no you still are a content thief in my opinion why would I take it back I just said that wasn't a good analytical point I still think you're a content thief okay so take back what you said then why I believe it that's what I mean this is like this thing breaking through very easily this one I know I am I apologize for the 40 second thing I don't think it was a good analysis you want to go with the other comment that you made or not huh you want to go with the other huh the comment that you made or not we could go through all of them because you're wrong across the board every behavior you call me out on you have done in those videos okay if you say so but why do you want to okay hold on let me ask you a question why does that matter hypocrisy isn't a great argument because you can just say well okay even if I did that I'm sorry I shouldn't have done it I know that it's wrong and that already defeats the tactic it already falls apart two thieves next to each other and one of them says what I did was wrong I shouldn't have done it that was a bad thing to do and the other one saying yeah fuck it it should be mine I'm glad I stole I'm gonna keep stealing like that already is a really bad parallel that you're sending out what's happening though is I don't think actually she's gonna be able to make this argument but what you would need to do if someone calls you out for you're just doing hypocrisy you need to say I'm trying to point out you don't believe this is wrong you believe it's right but you're trying to make exceptions and you're trying to stand on a high horse that's all you're doing right that's the strategy yeah why did you say high horse you should have said stand on a giraffe oh hi giraffe I mean a giraffe isn't a horse though right well like it's a a quadruped servant animal right instead of being on a high horse get off your giraffe you know maybe you should just stand on his bunny no but then that would hurt him well it's not a real bunny it's a good little video giraffes are high and they're horse like so you stand on your giraffe and there was a giraffe in the video that we talked about pretty prominent there giraffe like yeah horses I don't know I don't know if they're ungulates they might be I can check though just tall horses okay horses yeah like all horses yeah the giraffe is an African even-toed ungulate you made that up no it's true they're member of the diverse clade you gonna lie to which just means true ungulates is that like an orc sounds like an orc or I think orcs are elves I don't know what elves are what are elves battle of helms deep giraffes and then they climbed up the giraffes next to get over the wall it was nice ooh yeah they have like ladders built like attached to the back of the giraffe they climb up yeah yeah but they'd be like fucked up Mordor giraffes like they're on their own oh man yeah yeah okay I'm liking it season two you still got time Mordor giraffes they're in the castle right they're in the castle and then the horn blows like oh no the orcs are at the gates and then the knights run out of the second floor of the castle and then slide down the giraffes necks they're going down like fire poles and then ride off nice why does that matter okay because earlier you said it you care about this all the time and all the time and maybe an answer you were like got him he said it he said all the time when you seem to be the guy who doesn't do any stealing or feeding and I have four examples right there all that just happened there was Ethan said if you're gonna call me a hypocrite how does that help you and then XGC's response was but I can call you a hypocrite exactly he didn't ask the reason why it's important to make this argument not show an example get another one then well that's not my job you're the one that's trying to prove it I go pursue and try to prove I don't do fair use why should I prove that I'm doing wrong like what this is like when the judge turns to the witness what do you have to say in your offense you know some witnesses would be dumb enough to do it stupid way that seems like that's exactly what you guys have been doing on twitter and whatnot right and it's your whole concern yeah I'm showing stuff about you and not telling you to go find a video of yourself not doing fair use that's just to just posting videos of you not asking you to find videos of you doing not fair use like what the fuck moronic so you said thief right yeah show me one I just did with the Anne Frank one 44 seconds of commentary on 8 minute 30 second video where you offer no critical analysis and do you have permission did you have permission for that maybe I didn't so this is really interesting because this is the thing well this is a tough one because XQC needs to hammer the point home that you condemn me whether or not you found out that I have permission which is a good point but you don't know but Ethan if Ethan's fast enough which he absolutely is he can be like did you did you admit it do you not want to admit it do you know like to the audience it's like yeah did you and XQC obviously didn't his point is that you don't know but he's losing ground in it immediately yeah it is he's not good at litigating his own positions so why don't you tell wait why won't you tell me Ethan's getting for the juggler already he's smiling yep because he knows the answer did you are getting I'm just saying are we moving the goalpost are we moving the goalpost there now it's not a goalpost it's just another facet of the conversation I heard that word in the debate once yeah that feels like people roll out is that what it means I don't know oh yeah move the goalpost moving the goalpost he's all semantics like gaslighting all of these overused internet words that have ruined things that are actually useful for describing conversations it's fucking annoying it quite literally is when you make it a goalpost okay what do you want to talk about the permission thing okay there you go I do want to say one thing there's the XQC could have actually drilled a point in there but he lost it but he let it go tough to get past the whole why aren't you telling us if you had permission or not if anything you just showed us an example of you doing the thing that's all Ethan has to do is just keeps asking that if he brings it up again in my career in my ten years of career I'm sure that there's been times where I have I've done a less good job of reacting fairly to content I'm sure of it right and that's so you're not even you're not anymore and that's something I acknowledge and something that I'm always working on and analyzing and thinking how I can do it better it's something I really care about and the reason why this conversation is interesting is because it's something that you don't care about and I'd like to know I'd like to understand that but are you saying have I ever done a bad reaction in my whole career yeah probably yes probably almost certainly so then would you agree to eat old Ethan or not to only then is a thief sack of dog shit why does he keep saying old Ethan it couldn't just be like it at any point in time you know throughout his entire career you're like trying to cast it as though there was a pattern of behavior of him being shit at it when the point he's obviously making is sometimes I don't do as good a job as I could have yeah because how which is a very normal human being thing is normal and it's hard to be like oh so you admit you're a piece of shit it's like what the fuck like it's not a pattern of behavior what has already been established to is Ethan is showing like you know guilt slash remorse when he's whole point is that he doesn't give a shit exactly a huge difference mm-hmm at the same time is that when he's when he when he phrases it as all the Ethan he's just giving Ethan a note is again that was the old me that's or because remember all actually his goal is to equalize the field is like we're not so different he's saying old Ethan at least right if it's not new at least old Ethan is all the things you called me so hey which doesn't even mean anything and Ethan should be able to handle this pretty well even if it was the case that he was bad at it before he'd be like yeah I was bad at it and that was shit and that's part of the reason why I motivated to make sure that it's other people don't make those mistakes sure yeah in those if that's what happened in that time sure I was a dog shit sack whatever the fuck you said have you made any effort dog shit sack whatever the fuck to repair damage or the things that you stolen from the people that you from well again I don't have specific examples there's nobody that's approached me so I it's you know have you taken accountability the same way you want me to get a accountability publicly for that I just did didn't I not really why not I just said yeah I've probably done that what do you want me to do you're gonna rob a bunch of people and say guys I might have robbed somebody lol I'm moving on I mean well it's not like going in a store and sticking somebody up fair use is interpreted by judge or Jerry so is it is it is it thief or is it not thief because the way I see it the way you do it I think is that steal something from somebody right there's gonna be a process of like finding who's guilty how much there's a whole process behind it like a legal system is just like I mean don't you have a legal system you seem to care but you didn't see a lot right so being a thief surely you're gonna care about that a lot things he's like making points yeah I assume everyone's following along but he's trying for you know it's like I see I got him on this thing definitely he's trying to wedge in on Ethan right because Ethan's whole thing is that you've taken shit from people that doesn't belong to you and then he's like yeah but you've admitted now that you've at least done it at somewhat at some time in your past correct and he's like yes and did you rectify it did you pay them did you contact them and if you know Ethan's always gonna say no it's partly built into his whole thing is that he likely has done it he doesn't know that he's done it because he always avoids doing it and on the point yeah like he doesn't under like ex-QC doesn't understand that Ethan is saying I have a standard I'm sometimes falling short of that standard here and there every now and then rather than what ex-QC does which was like a pattern of behavior exactly and there's no like that's just what I think in the entirety of EFAP's history I wonder if there's any time we would consider ourselves non transformative and if someone said like so you think you've transformed every single one I'd probably like I don't know that for sure I don't know yeah I think we have well if I to put one or the other I'd probably go for we have transformed all of them but I mean there's a chance we haven't by some standard maybe beyond our own difference between that chance versus the ex-QC chance which is likely basically all of them I don't know I've seen a transformative reaction from him yet so you know I don't know which where the victims are or if there are any all right let's move on we're talking in circles a little bit we won't talk about the permission thing so what you're doing is running away pretty much we're not running in a direction and you're going straight forward and that's what's going on now that's clearly not the case but I will just let it be for the sake of continuing the argument but yeah you do it every single day I mean I've done it maybe a few times in my career I've done you know and again I don't know who the victims are and if they come or nobody's ever come to me has anyone ever complained that you stole their videos? why do you think he's asking this question? because the answer is yes well it's beyond the answer being yes it has the screencap right of the yeah he's prepared it's the equivalent of like you know it's like in Jerry Springism it's like if your mom were here today what would you say to her? it's like you know she's a bitch and I hate her it's like well we have a surprise for you I'm guessing that Ethan has it was Neo right he was the guy who not Neo from the Matrix but the guy who had the cold moon video that's an example but no Ethan's got someone else oh well in any case yeah I figure that's what he's got like a tweet or something um anybody that has anybody ever? okay because nobody's ever complained to me about that oh so now you care about rather somebody right and if they didn't tell me well you know what which is actually a fair response because this conversation needs to be developed fully does it only matter if someone complains well that's not a good ethical standard all the problem isn't as much as possible to develop all of these aspects of the conversation well it's also just that Ethan's already explained that as far as he's aware he's transformed everything because that's his goal but he's probably not done it well at least once maybe more actually he's barely like comprehending what he's saying it's insane I can't believe that he can't understand what Ethan's saying well and I do want to give credit where it's due that is a solid response to what Ethan just said the fact he's like oh so it's only a problem if people come to you mm-hmm yeah yeah victim of the crime doesn't matter oh my god again look at these face comparisons look at that it should be mentioned Ethan is bold and happy to get him angry that's like a goal look at that look at that shitty grid oh so now you care about rather somebody right and if they didn't tell me well you know what you're saying the victim of the crime doesn't matter which is exactly what you went after me does the victim of a crime not matter well he's asking after the fact the exact argument that you went at me for and you were running away from it I don't know listen the proof that you have victims is literally just concrete proof you did it that's the only reason I'm saying it I don't understand your point which is an okay response the idea of like yeah there may be crimes that aren't accounted for but we know that there's someone here who feels you've stolen from them and that's that's more than you've got of me which is nobody so we say victims I said yeah some people you stole from they're a victim so okay and what about your victims I don't know who they are how many times do I need to say that me reaching out and making an agreement with them and every time yes we you're not even he's moved him in so now he just needs a reference if you want to open up the chat and go with the logs I have so many logs to make your head let me ask you a question I have hundreds of emails you should bring those to this conversation but like do you remember XCC in the beginning of the conversation said he never likes he doesn't like say always or never he doesn't like those because he always wants to make sure and it's like Ethan just said so you get permission and he's like yep always every time yep it's just like so now you screwed because all he needs to do is get one time where you haven't but I think XCC's point was more so that he is invested in it and he'll do what he can in relation to it not that he gets it every time before he covers a video you're funny this is why it's good to always say things like generally which is what I add him if you're listening I know you are generally he does way less asking than I do why are you bringing up his song what does that have to do with anything because when he was on the podcast we were sucking his balls out so second who's balls out so we watched we watched Ethan and Assad on leftovers that's what XCC is referencing you know everyone here in chat would you call what Ethan did sucking Hassan's balls out Hassan was not comfortable in that conversation he sucked his balls out of his body Hassan got more grilled on the topic of react content than in the rest of his entire life on that stream Ethan had to apologize after it he shouldn't have so this is bizarre I don't know why he made this point wait is this the thing that Hassan didn't start even though a couple of days ago prior to this he was saying XCC was a friend wasn't this like when he started chatting about how he was an asshole or something don't worry that stuff that'll come later good good any reactor which is more than your friend Hassan he does way less asking than I do why are you bringing up his song what does that have to do with anything because when he was on the podcast he was sucking his balls out he was turning on each other making his balls out also XCC just referred to Hassan as Mr. Chair React which is priceless fucking priceless he's not wrong no he's not wrong the cock cool in the kettle back what are you doing Mr. Chair React dude you're so dishonest you don't even know what you're talking about last week I chewed him out for an hour to the point where I had to apologize because people were mad at me you literally don't know that sounds like your problem it proves you wrong you moron what are you saying yeah that was a huge misfire even XCC knew that Hassan was chewed out by Ethan I don't know why he phrased it that way it is my problem but you have no consistency what you're talking about you just said I lick his balls and now I proved you wrong my consistency get it right like my whatever licks again this is shit for doing chair react when he does cookies and cream when he does cookies what is happening oh my goodness what have you done let's just move on to the permission part you know what I thought let's just keep running this is a marathon and you how about that what those are different and those are the opposite things in his mind he's like I know a word that's sort of related to the concept let's do a marathon you want to do the opposite some of this you just have to be like okay what if you say man some times the analogies that you come up with on the fly when it is all of them it starts to get a bit problematic that's right I'm running after you and you are going straight forward okay good that's the point of the conversation you are going forward that's the point what percentage of people would you say you get permission from the majority because the way it works for me for react the main lines most of the content that I like I have it all lined up the people that I really like the best we reach out to them it's a partnership and when there are smaller creators I try to be way more careful with the amount of growth that they are getting by the way this is all really good as a reaction he should have just brawl this out right at the beginning that I have partnerships with all these creators that I care about them and the smaller they are the more careful I need to be it's a huge winning point with Ethan because Ethan the permission part is a big part of it obviously the thing Ethan would need to do then is to prove he is lying this is so weird because from the beginning of this drama if he had just said this I usually do that and I've made some mistakes and I shouldn't do that anymore this wouldn't have blown up but instead he had this fuck you I don't give a shit attitude and that's why everyone jumped down his throat I don't give a shit attitude while very clearly demonstrating that I do well supposedly but it makes him seem dishonest here look at the way he is reacting it's like even space right yeah that's a funny face lots of them I try to be better with it and quite honestly when it comes to small creators I've never had any push back right so no victims in that case that's perfect why is it perfect old flame have you heard of a guy named Vince vintage you reacted to two of his videos this one was from a month ago do you remember this video disappearance of fps it's so court of law right now do you remember this video did you have more that or no do you remember watching this video the fact that the witness is like I don't remember okay I'm clearly there but do you remember when you were in the store stealing that we have you on camera doing remember is that me I can't recall I don't know I just can't recall I plead the fifth that was two and a half two and a half weeks ago okay perfect so it was very recent so would you consider this guy a small creator he doesn't have a lot of subs in fact here's his original video he only has 400,000 well that's not small but anyway you did this recently do you know who that guy is I think Ethan may have accidentally undermined himself a little bit by describing him as like a small creator because you can tell he wants to paint a picture but then he instantly realized like I shouldn't call a 400k subscriber someone as small man I wish I would be that small on youtube I think a lot of people would say like that's small isn't that you guys like mid-sized now I know you're more as big right compared to the totality of youtube channels it's probably still like it's funny the reason Ethan said small is to help paint the picture of big ol ex-qc is absorbing vampireing this smaller person but really you don't even need that ex-qc is enormous of course he would crush a 400k sub channel easily yeah relative to him is small okay why didn't you ask him for permission I don't know did he complain because at this point I don't know if I'm a victim well you do actually and what's funny is I literally just reached out to one random person from your recent reacts just one who followed me it was only one yeah no I swear to god are you a victim by the way hold on this is important for you to understand so I reached out to the vintage and I said hey I'm just curious well I think what ex-qc is trying to get at is like you're creating victims into becoming victims but in a way like a soul goodman type would be like can you make claims on things that have happened in your life no you hurt your back it's not okay you're not gonna get over in a week it's gonna be a lifelong debilitating come on buddy the implication that ex-qc is giving is that Ethan would have contacted them and said are you annoyed that ex-qc did this and they'd be like no and he's like yeah but you are yeah and they'd be like you know why you might be able to jump on my podcast if you are annoyed because you can talk about it that sort of thing could happen Chris did ex-qc get permission he was not making that argument yeah if he was clear and dude if he had evidence the big key that uh he really should have like Ethan shouldn't have said but technically speaking probably should give the information but as he said the person followed him is like well yeah you're like oh biased you could easily point to that and he would have told you the message he sent me that's okay he said really appreciate you reaching out Ethan I've never been contacted by ex-qc at all for any of my iraq videos my personal take is this I love big streamers watching like ex-qc is on miss kiff moist critical watching my videos on the stream I wanna pause this moment it's so priceless oh no ex-qc is like he's reading this out for his benefit he's celebrating unknowingly that there's a big but about to come it's a big ego boost but when ex-qc does it it's different when he watches my video he always reuploads that frown wow that's so funny whoops the way he slumped it was like a cartoon with his insightful commentary as wow chat isn't this crazy compared to when Hasan it's chat watched my stuff he shouted me out and he says he loves my stuff and he sent a bunch of subscribers to my channel a fair exchange he showed me a video of Hasan doing that and then he said ex-qc he really just steals my shit entertains his audience of hundreds of hours I put into my videos so what I will say is that if I were ex-qc I wouldn't bother with the bias claim now Hasan himself has said he likes it when people react but ex-qc does not transform that's right hold on a second I mean I'm not sure if I can take this guy at his word because he's making the claim that Hasan transforms yeah but Hasan does it should be mentioned on record Hasan is 50-50 sometimes and he makes this what he does is he feels he's doing the opposite of what we as people like us would do but he would assume say he has ten reactions seven of them are excellent one of them is okay we would look at the two and then say he does that every time and then he would say nah I do the seven every time that's like the stupid fight that goes back and forth and why the communities clash and stuff I'm willing to admit he does perfectly great reactions sometimes but the fact is when I was doing my getting familiar with his work back when we did the coverage of him I took the newest streams I think it was three or four examples of him playing videos while he got up from his seat so the fact is if it were seven good for three bad but the thing is he streams 12 hours a day every day then you stack up a huge amount of bad reactions you know what I mean easy to get your ammo it seemed like for him it wasn't a transformation it was the fact that Hasan wasn't uploading it on YouTube he was giving a shout out and trying to help his channel grow so he's like even if you don't transform it just helping me is fine which XUC is not doing right because I think that was the problem with the JXC thing rather than actually helping J out Hasan just clicked away he clicked away as soon as J started promoting the channel like oh no no no I can't have that bye bye and this was after having just what like 60-70% of that video wasn't even in the room at least yeah man that was a a long time ago referendum but hey it's a year and a half or something I think it might have been two years it's part of what kind of got this all kicked off again I mean that's the kind of stuff that still gets brought up that video is it's gonna be a mainstay for us I guess because this is the third time it's come back right well it's probably gonna come back well I get just a link in the YouTube description the problem isn't the reacting it's the re-uploading of my video with his face on the thumbnail and also and I don't DMC him because I don't want the Twitter drama mmm which by the way is something that's very real but a lot of people do not take seriously at all there are some people that think that's not a real thing I just find that remarkable that anybody could think like why wouldn't like a relatively small channel want to get into a big dramatic fight with a massive platform beef with a massive streamer yeah on social media like guys I think I think a lot of people either are like in a way we're sort of desensitized to it but it's still like a thing we have to think about and a lot of people can't really imagine what it's like to get dog piled by thousands of people on the internet it really sucks a lot of the time and people obviously want to avoid that people don't want to get into fights like people generally don't want to get into fights anyway there's a lot of stress and infamy all of us here probably had like a minor canceling event happen to us at least once right so a big pile of people come after you are like it's you know the first time it really sucks but you kind of get used to it if it keeps happening as callous that seems like you kind of get over it you know I'm more used to it now and desensitized to it you know the things I used to be afraid of I'm like it's a badge of honor now but you know not a lot of people obviously aren't in the space as we're in and they just want to make their videos and have a good time and you know totally fair and they don't want to get I mean like until it happens to you it's really tough to know what it feels like and I promise you especially the first couple times it really sucks yeah it does it does that's for sure I do know that my first conversation is that DMCA on YouTube has such a bad rap right even if you use it in a proper way there's going to be an assumption that you're just being slimy and so everyone's going to come after you yeah people view it as oh you removed content that this guy I liked made wow I was going to watch that you know yeah and then it's a bit hard to talk about because there's an assumption on either side that whatever your guy is doing is the right thing right like the creator who takes down a video because he views it as theft well he views it as theft but then the creator who has his video taken down he views as his rights as being infringed right so and then whoever you watch that's who the fans usually side with so people can be super tribalistic when it comes to defending you know their content creators and streamers and I don't expect the audience that XQC is developed to be the most intelligent cultured you know I don't imagine that there are any of the things that you should strive to be yes sure they're fine people he doesn't want the twitter drama wait why are you well hold on this guy says you stole a shit why are you denigrating that I think you should take this seriously that was such an easy fucking hot shot just being like hey take this seriously don't be a meaty because one is a paid actor what he's a white meat he's a paid actor he's a paid youtuber but a paid actor why did he say that why did he say that there's a conspiracy against me this attempt on my reputation has left me scarred Ethan has some great facial reactions throughout this he does he doesn't want the twitter drama wait why are you well hold on this guy says you stole a shit why are you denigrating that I think you should take this seriously well because one is a paid actor I think I mean that's a paid actor 100% wait what what are you saying oh it's a paid actor he's a paid actor yeah that is what it is okay well just assume for the sake of the conversation that he's not a paid actor why did you let that go Ethan do you think that he just said the paid actor line and then realized it was really stupid and now he's just like trying to not acknowledge it well hold on it's like a paid actor yeah so good faith I think this is a language thing this time because you could have like you know someone who is paid to do this okay paid actor he doesn't know the term for it in English when it's not an actor but still being paid to do something underhanded good faith draw it back to him saying that he was following him and that he could be a bias but like this is terrible language to use if you want to get that point across it immediately makes people think that Ethan actually found a man paid him and to pretend that this is all the truth when he's provably a person provably has to channel the react took place like all this stuff is absolutely stupid as fuck because of the image it puts in everyone's head but yeah if actually he was to lay it out as just he's someone that you set up to say all of this is way better yeah yeah it's the whole thing the channel all the subs all the videos before this it was it was all set up to catch XQC well the fact is wouldn't it be really funny if XQC doesn't even remember his reactions and so they actually did edit all of that and it's not even real XQC is like yeah I guess I did that I don't fucking remember whatever okay so the first guy you react right the first guy you send a message to sends you a paragraph that looks like the bible right and is stroking your ego out so you know what that's okay all bikes a bike and a bomb so what's really cool about this is that we can make that again Ethan just loving this I can't believe he's saying all this it's incredible something I should have with this person and make it 10 times better for our ecosystem right of how what I watch what I upload it if he had asked what he doesn't have to if he can use the DMC system and maybe there will be to the drum or not we usually never make we never make drama for DMC stuff but then I don't know what you're talking about dude why are you not responding to his accusation he says you're stealing his shit let me elaborate I don't know okay let me elaborate then he would be a data outlier a person who doesn't like it and we can either recurve that make it better and I will be damaging for every dollar that he had lost to me right and he had analytics to back up how much the video on YouTube cannibalized his or any sort of damaging data or stats behind it I would be more than happy to give him 10 times 10x whatever he'll reach out have you ever paid anybody 10x before so if you could tell 10x bit as he watched the stream that I was on so he already knew that this was something he was going to say he's already been like yeah that's great it's good that you do that have you ever done it he's trying to undercut it as soon as possible which again I didn't think Ethan would actually watch that stream but yeah but I would say that this is a little bit mean because this is it's a good thing that XCC has just said and if anything you want to encourage it right you don't want to be like well to be fair XCC said if you could produce analytics and that's kind of like that's the hard part how would you produce that evidence I mean we had a huge conversation about that you have to show that there'd be like a massive dip and if you don't show that you're going to say well fuck you well so part of this this is what I was actually going to say was that unless of course he's lying and so at that point it is kind of your job to try and weedle it out and you could do that by being like getting him to admit that yeah he's never going to pay anybody because they'll never be able to definitively prove that they've lost anything and that could be what his plan is has that ever happened how many times what ever it arises how many times does that happen I don't want to check with editor I'd assume not a lot of people do that oh okay so the amount really is what you're looking at then what XCC should have said is yeah most people are very happy with my reactions but those who aren't get compensated it just makes you sound pretty solid at that point instead of going oh so the amount of time that people actually take you up on that because what you're saying is I'm going to steal your stuff and I don't care if you have a problem with it you can come talk to me like that's not that's not your right shouldn't you apologize to Vince Vince from Shenmue it's not his job to come ask you for reparations for you stealing from him don't you understand that that is a fair topic so what you're saying is that you went digging for victims well that is fair but Ethan kind of made the exact same point like 10 minutes ago no one's come to me that's the thing XCC's got to catch those things but he not as good as that I literally messaged one dude okay so nobody in your production room why don't you just apologize to Vince Vintage production room I absolutely will I didn't get anything I feel really bad you don't know why because all about the whole sphere of this everything around it is to make something good happen right and that matters to me a lot that's bullshit bro nice try you literally do it to enrich yourself you're a multi-millionaire and you steal content from small creators and you don't give a fuck about their rights or what they want and then your only justification is oh yeah you can come chase me down and get my attention so I can pay you for the shit I stole it's total bullshit bro that was a really good just slam dunk basically yeah can you imagine like if a corporation did this for a company we're just gonna steal anything that you have and if you manage to find out about it and then come after us then we'll be like oh okay well we'll give you some forgiveness money so uh because that actually happens quite a bit if you're like a professional photographer your stuff gets stolen all the time and you better hope that you see it because they'll give you money if you see it but otherwise you're fucked yeah every once in a while there's a story about I mean this has been happening with like call of duty skins and stuff where they just like steal people shit I was gonna mention that with this sort of slam dunking it's uh because actually he was about to get into the whole like infinitely everybody benefits he does the whole like rising tide benefits or lifts or boats or whatever but uh is Ethan's cut him off with the fundamental logic which is true it's just like how come your world view happens to benefit you the most of everyone seems a little bit convenient you're not creating anything big for anyone you're just taking attention and views for yourself and you don't give a fuck about the uh the consequences of that it's not your decision to make that for other people's property that uh Ethan's clearly following whatever plan he's got on that laptop and that we've come to like lay out what what he does, how wrong it is, what his feelings on it are in total the whole asking forgiveness instead of permission and then once all the major points were laid out and the lack of permission and how much he doesn't care he just did the speech which I believe possibly was written down because he kept looking back on the screen it was, yeah it's like at this point he's pretty much done everything he needs to do now so this is destroyed most people's perception if it was ever positive anyway you sound like um you sound like a Robin Hood or something are you like some sort of hero or something like that wow fantastic well I think it was, I think I would have gone for him probably if I was excuse you on the big impassioned speech I would have ostivied written it down I would have called him Robin Hood feels like a weird you're absolutely right if you had called out that he wrote it down what are you a hero? it would work really well for like how set up this all is and you can make appeals to the fact that he had like this has all been railroaded but yeah by saying like what are you some kind of hero Ethan could just be like well thanks I guess I don't know not really but sure if you feel that way because it seems like the road the road that XQC had to go down was to say that yeah okay I do take this stuff but you know what here's some numbers and figures showing that the people whose videos that I watch actually benefit from it in some material sense because there are examples of that of people actually blowing up after having their stuff reacted to that should have been his argument this whole time if you said and if you are in XQC's position you need to be like alright guys we've got to find this list of people who blew up because of this and I need to have this on me at all times and maybe memorize it and statements from them being like that's the greatest thing that ever happened to me and I hope he does it for more people in the future if you had lines like that it would help but they haven't fished for them and you know we all know the reason why XQC doesn't care if it blows up your channel or not he hopes it does I guess it's better than not especially because it'll help his reputation overall but he doesn't give a shit as long as it benefits him he's only happy because he can use it as a potential defense for his own behavior only reason he cares and if he said yes my worldview of trying to benefit everybody really does highly benefit me but I don't think the drawbacks are enough to say that it's an overall negative I still think it's an overall positive and you know if you were that honest about it you might be able to get some way you do a lot of that I mean I guess if he wants to go down the philosophy route which he's definitely capable of doing he could say I was like well in a way we all sort of believe you know ideologies and things that we can do that do benefit us it just benefits other people as well so that's not really like a big deal he's just very specifically benefits him in a very great way at the expense of other people so that's I think what you're describing is like something that everyone does all the time right so like let's say you own a business you own a little shop you decide to hire someone are you doing it out of the good of your heart you need their labor to help you out but you're still going to help them by giving them a job right so there's this idea I do things for a variety of reasons and if it wasn't beneficial to me or anybody else I wouldn't do them and I have empathy and I realize if it helps me then this thing might help other people as well I think it's very easy without an eloquence I don't think he has it's very easy to bite the self-interest bullet as long as you can say yes of course I'm self-interested we're all self-interested other people are also helping yeah there's ways to do this you're just not doing it what is it egoistic or egocentric altruism what's the terminology sounds American I mean is that what it in a way that is an American term for what you're talking about I'm just saying go for some kind of broader egoism George Washington Carver he invented the philosopher altruism if he can present it in any way that is more than just pure kind of dumb self-interest that would help him in defense you take the high road on that one you have done that you do that okay fine I did it you know what I mean it's like so stupid what does it because you can't use me as an example for your own thing you keep saying that you're doing it you're doing it the mates are coming here I don't know why you keep saying that let me send one DM I'm going to send one message and I he will he's really he's really playing into the whole like this guy you got to say all this stuff it just happens to work it all out that way it's like actually you got to come up with a better point that one sucks full response right now give me a minute for it Tim you're making fun of this message I got from which was a genuine he was expressing himself genuinely and he was disturbed by the way he uses content can I ask you another question I will take it out right now what it's like a machine gun this ecosystem doesn't work for you let me ask you a question this is the video and you do this all the time you'll agree this is the slam dunk this is a tough one to escape from this does not vote well for the taste test why vote well no no no no I'm saying that he's going to ask him why the context for the audience if you don't understand what you're looking at here the original video has a thumbnail and a title and then what these reactors do including his son he did it all the time too they just take the same thumbnail put their own face on it and take the name because it helps feed themselves into the algorithm for the video itself the original video yeah now you might be like they don't know that's why they're doing it why the fuck else would they be doing it absolutely is why they do it like most of the time search terms in the title of course is going to muddy the waters yep that's not even a good reaction face no yeah you're right he's just getting there he's like he stole six airplanes he's like no bro what a chat he stole six airplanes I just want to steal six airplanes we'll have to watch the video but do you want to watch the action I could watch the xbox video yeah maybe he was just winging it I'm sure it comes up second on the touch oh yeah that's pretty good rags so someone in the chat says at least it's not a soy wojak no that's the preferable face to just disinterest what is this one what is it this one is like I said I feel like the sound the sound should be like like that's the sound that's invoked by this picture he I'm watching the little puppet dinosaur break out of its egg it used to you used the exact title and the exact thumbnail the only reason for anybody to do that is to confuse search and discovery and cannibalize views from the original that is the only reason to do that do you have any sense to back that up because I had the same for the opposite do you have the opposite do you have the opposite so this is the thing what SCC is saying is that you'd need statistics to prove that's what's happening but Ethan's just talking about motive what are you trying to do not what the result is the thumbnail and the title don't you see that users will be confused let me think on anything don't you think so my youtube channel does not grow well that's because you just post a ton of shit there no you don't put any effort into it okay and why did he let him change the topic he gotta stay on the thumbnail I think they do stay on it though wait why do you think that is because you don't give a fuck okay clearly gotcha so these are cut-downs for the people that we call the youtube frogs that are just watching my shit why are they called youtube frogs Pepe's don't sully the good name of frogs Pepe notes are so thorough and used that the viewers have now become frogs so SCC's youtube channel has 2.31 million subscribers well the thing is when he says it's not growing it still probably is it's probably still growing it's just the number is lower the growth you see is almost all exclusively twitch who also like youtube and then people who manage to enter into the algorithm thanks to the fact that they're like who the fuck is this guy reacting to a video I wanted to see anyway I guess I'll watch him react to it those people exist I don't know how many there are that's where the stats come in that's the whole reason they do the thumbnail tile thing you don't get that right no you haven't proven that you keep saying that but it doesn't mean anything okay then show me proof you asked for permission we got it you need to show me proof dude you're absurd the thumbnail I just put in the score it's like from one day ago and I've seen the same thumbnail from the actual video I'm pretty sure oh yeah he's still going obviously the they're all still going yeah I know I just saw it while I was looking at the subscriber number nothing has been changed nothing has changed why is it you think it's crazy the fact that you're using the same title and the same thumbnail is so parasitic it's so shady you are only doing that to siphon off views and confuse people they go sit she stayed on it there's no other reason for that why would you use the same exact title explain that to me so are you more upset about the title or about the kind of the video itself it's all together it's all on the pile since all that legality you would understand that intention is one of the hardest things to prove out there I don't think he's ever mentioned legality really at all that's a fucking awful thing when Ethan is like I can tell it's a bad intention your response needs to be no no no it's this good intention and now let me convince you that it's the good intention your response should be you can't prove it why would you say that did you push the old lady she's dead now it's like you don't know you can't prove it what would you say that you didn't say no about philosophy we already moved past legality you don't care about fair use we can kind of like do just answer the question Felix why did you do that why did you give it the same exact title and thumbnail just answer that because I wanted to why did you want to why did you want to exactly yes why did you want to because the thumbnail is good and it gives the viewer what they want which is the original he failed so bad on that that might be his biggest blunder so far the Ethan was like you're doing this because it's effective why did you do it because it's effective why because he said I want to I want to have a shit answer basically saying oh yeah I'm doing this so I get the most amount of people to see it and watch my content because that's beneficial to me weird it's pretty much over he's got him now because I feel like that's the definitive evidence that as you see does not care about anybody but himself video they want the original video okay so okay so I'll tell you since you don't like questions I'm just gonna give you a fact then right people that don't watch react content do not get served react content if somebody wants to watch us react it the way that's my word it's a good question Ethan said who gives a fuck look at that face again look at me well I thought it being cannibalistic was a problem with you you're gonna try to say that the google algorithm is somehow running deep for you so that's crazy the google algorithm is running deep so so you said it's cannibalistic I give you a hint on why it's not it's the intention okay so now it's it if you want to just keep going back and forth and say not there, not there, not there and that's the thing I don't know if actually see understands it and is trying to avoid it but like actually pointing out your intention to siphon off views is the worst like that's the biggest hit Ethan could get on you now it doesn't matter what your results are you only want to benefit mm-hmm no okay and if you added 20 because this is the thing, sqc could have said so we match the title and thumbnail often times in order to let people easily find the original video it really helps with discovery you could have made that argument I mean you could say that it's not good you can be like I'm almost certain that's what leads statistically to benefits we haven't been proven otherwise well okay here's the question does Felix have some level of moral integrity to not directly lie or is he just too lazy to create a lie in the first place what I just said I'm pretty sure he believes he believes that they benefit and if ever they didn't he like he said he thinks that the fucking person that Ethan's god as an example is lying that he's doing this for the clout he genuinely believes that they do benefit but he doesn't care if they benefit no but I mean like if he gave the like the rational you gave for why it's the same thumbnail title like no one would believe that except for maybe you know his fame but surely you agree it's better than saying I did it because I did it because I did it no right so that's what my question is is he too lazy to construct a lie or a rationale or does he have some like like moral fiber where he's like well I'm gonna do shitty stuff but I won't lie about it I have a feeling it's that he knows that he does it to siphon the views to get into the additional algorithms I feel like he does know that and that that's why that's happening right so yeah he couldn't come up with a lie and he was just like fuck it yeah I do it cause I want to like whatever 20 seconds of commentary to his video and you use the same title and the same thumbnail you don't see any problem with that okay there it is so it seems like you don't really need to say it seems that you don't care about it seems you don't not just care about the law it seems like you don't care about people's artistic creative property at all it seems that you don't have any respect for property at all and it seems like nobody to my knowledge has a problem and my video is being up for now but you're like a prolific thief you could say oh I found one example of you doing this back in whatever year you're prolific thief dude you do this every day multiple times a day on your youtube channel who does this on by the way you just say anything gotcha so I will go to somebody's house and say take something and he doesn't care right he generally doesn't and never reached out and you go out there and you go and seek the victims out right and you failed to establish a pattern of them being cannibalized the way that you think this is just one this is getting trapped to follow and I think Ethan's done his job at this point he feels so now we're looking for an exit from his POV that's enough isn't it okay in that case I put the burden of proof on you as well then so yeah permission yes because I think I don't need permission to transform content dude true okay so there's four of us you guys see all of them if you have proof you ask permission to any of those you win by a landslide I don't know it's a little tough to follow this I think XQC think I guess XQC doesn't understand that fair use literally says you don't need to have permission from the copyright holder it literally says that in section I think it's 106 of the United States copyright law I think his problem is that he is just latching on so that anything that comes to mind there's no clear pattern to his arguments whereas there was a much clearer pattern so Ethan's arguments yes yeah so when I think like an hour ago or something that he was just deer in the headlights and on the back foot the whole time I think this is when it really comes out that he's just been jumping from whatever comes into his head to whatever comes into his head with no no actual long term plan for this conversation while Ethan had points set up proven knock him down set up point him down he's been nailing it well as you said obviously Ethan came into this with a structured plan of attack that he's been following Ethan's had complete control of this entire conversation he's been directing the flow of it at every point and every time XQC tries to drag it somewhere else Ethan will just ignore it and go back to whatever he's trying to say and XQC keeps falling into the question again Ethan lies out these traps he falls into them because I mean it's pretty obvious that Ethan's goal was not to change XQC's mind it was to win it was to win the thing is that XQC wanted to win too but his strategy was oh I'm gonna make him mould I think it's like home for the best it was just systematic yeah exactly he was really confident that he would win even though he didn't have any like victory parameter we got insight into what Ethan thinks of him in that sort of little speech he gave right which was the your piece of shit that's just trying to benefit off of everyone else's work that's all you are well he did have a victim parameter it was to get a big own right yeah but what what does that even mean you know yeah I think like yeah I think maybe XQC was a bit too internet brain for this you know it kind of reminds me of some of the Vosh debates that I've seen I'm sure you guys have watched some or either on the show or not on the show but like Vosh debates where he just thinks he can be carried through the conversation by Charisma while he's got absolutely no prep on the subject yeah that's his meme right he doesn't research ever yeah you know what another name for water is aqua aqua yeah that was that was classic he talked to the the professor of philosophy that was the aqua conversation and then he talked to what if alt hissed about history with no prep and he's like a history guy and he just got like completely shellacked it was it was wild but yeah I think XQC is kind of doing the same thing where he thinks that like he is you know he's hard to understand yes but he's very charismatic he's popular for a reason he definitely like he's entertaining so he thinks that he can just kind of skate by on style which is not going to work maybe it's a massive overvaluing of your traits and attributes I've never seen his content I've always seen him do these debates and he's so bad in them XQC or Ethan XQC well I mean you saw his content you saw him watching the Leminar that was great that's true I mean like when he first started off he was a professional overwatch player right and there was obviously value in seeing someone play a game at a high level of skill yeah he still plays it and apparently he's very good at it yeah okay I think probably that plus his unique personality is what got him to where he is now what is his unique personality hold on wait a minute hold on I'm trying to be nice here that's okay but yeah like that skill plus his personality probably got him where he is but that doesn't give you anything in the debate arena yeah but so just stick to that just stick to doing video games like don't move out of that if that's all you can do I mean that's fine to be very really think that XQC thought he had this like he was like this he I think at some point to Ethan as being like a complete idiot loser like this will be fine I was surprised when Ethan brought out the clips I was like holy fuck he's doomed before he kind of talked to you about this has he debated other people on the subject or any subject like does he have a reason to think that he would like do well in this conversation unfortunately Sitch I feel like it's like most people feel like they'll do fine if they think they're right on the subject they'll just be like yeah I got this and this thing Ethan Klein's reputation it's like everyone thinks he's a complete loser idiot nonsense that can't do anything right so this will be simple and he's gonna get a big own I'm wondering like cause you you were pretty nice to him in the conversation and I'm wondering if that set him up to think he did well in the conversation even though you were like he didn't understand that Mahler just was kind of not like polite about it but just like clear and concise and polite but direct and maybe cause like Destiny and Abba kind of ran interference and it like gave him the false sense well what they said they'd be fine would be about little chattels and stuff yeah yeah I don't know Abba with the chat simply existing on the screen would make it transformative right Abba with the bad takes I can't believe that we had to rely on Carontos to be the voice of reason oh god he is funny he is really funny he's really insane I didn't know what was gonna fucking happen I love how insane he is I love that Carontos is shockingly unfunny, stupid simple minded I have no fucking clue how he has gotten in with Destiny the way he has he is stupid and simple minded but I will say he is funny it's kind of like the meme XQC is too like Mahler is like Thor he's like I can't defeat you but he can and it's like Carontos coming in it's like screaming one of the videos that there's four of them if you have if you have proof you ask permission to any of those you win by a landslide why would I need proof to transform a video the only one is me canon because he's my buddy there's obviously ones were like it's obvious were your buddies I actually did ask me canon you understand that on Twitch too there's people that everyone's friends with but this guy you I mean Vince so you're making assumptions about me but we're not making assumptions not an assumption I have a literal fucking message from the guy you stole from it's not an assumption it's literally a fact okay so the whole reason why this debate was in the first place is that people were finding victims that didn't exist it was like how is there a problem for people people couldn't still exist oh my god okay so you found a person who doesn't like it yes and there's multiple ways out actually he even specifically named you as the problem he said the other people actually clouded me up with XQC completely stole my shit added no valuable commentary and then stole my views that's specifically what he said actually so there's a problem and instead of reaching out is there a skeleton hanging off of a ceiling there is it's okay I don't think Frank was here when we talked about it though oh okay you're also afraid for anything yes that is a skeleton hanging from the top a beautiful skeleton that took his own life I don't know I gotta live in his room oh god it's his former maid that you couldn't hide in time for the stream he hanged herself I would rather kill myself and clean up this big mess do you think she plugged all the giraffe to set the rope yeah it's just happening in the background of his stream he's reacting to some fucking like goofy cloud video and then someone hanging themselves in the background he performed he waited for you to the savior of the earth to come in and just robin it the guy that guy got your rope why why why be robin it why be robin it when you can be prince john do you really not understand the concept that small creators wouldn't want to the easy I think Ethan should go the direction of like do you not care about people like is that not yeah you criticizing me for caring about other people because like ex-qc might be the kind of person who would actually say like no I don't like he would you might try and chat yes at some of the yes yeah I mean it doesn't sound it sounds bad when ex-qc is like making lines you'd expect a captain planet villain to be like oh here comes the savior of the earth care about the animals I'm so glad you said that because I was thinking of captain planet as well do you know what's the worst thing in the world kindness kindness is horrible we have to stop fair I'll tell you what's fair with ex-qc one of the biggest with the craziest fan base in the world like is that really a foreign idea to you that they wouldn't want to deal with this power dynamic you would crush them if you said your fans would harass them into oblivion that's too foreign for you to understand so this guy four in a case of shrapers big usey two videos small creators that's about to fucking die from something Ethan is here to save the day this person will now be able to import some food into the ice well I'm saying because if you make a if you draw a picture on who this person is and say small creator like struggling and whatnot I'm saving him and you're just you are misrepresenting so he doesn't matter oh yeah he doesn't matter but not in the capacity that you're trying to paint which is what I don't understand what you're saying a small struggling creator somebody please help this person before he goes out of business that well no I didn't say any of all Ethan's out of all of that Ethan said small yeah which is probably not the best word but you could argue it but you could argue it and often I get a hundred million dollar deal from kick anytime soon live audience of 50,000 people would absolutely swamp any live audience of 400k channels going to be able to dig up and just because you have a lot of subs that doesn't mean you're brolin and doe exactly well that you did you you did you just actually quite literally did not say that you said small creator that's enough let no it's not saying small does not mean he said that he's like fucking live in paycheck to paycheck he's about to die that's like one of the things that XC was adding well they think I was having a fair well it's like this weird Robin Hood thing it's like why are we on this it's upfront about his sub count I looked at it but anyway let's see I was just wrong I was just mega wrong move on you have been this entire time it's fine so yeah I'm sure you're familiar with this thread because he actually gave you permission to perform this analysis internet arch archanist archanist archivist he said he said I let XQC repost a reaction to see the impact it had okay and the analysis is basically the video witnessed an 87% decrease in impressions on the day of the re-upload okay and the video also witnessed a 52% decrease in obviously the problem with this being we need that we need to control the comparison well in this case you could easily make the argument of yeah but the reason why the views are lower is because it's just how it works typically for YouTube videos well you could also argue you would have lost more if not for my videos possibly you could that's why more would be you need more data this isn't enough another thing that bothers me about this example is the internet anarchist had a bunch of stipulations that don't apply to the normal like you can't use the same thumbnail and tile which is like well that isn't the point that okay viewers there's xqc equipped to like make these arguments because he could be up low doesn't that graph help him because if you look at it it's like sloping down and then it kind of it slightly goes up a little bit and then it's the truth is it's useless it could tell you it could be anything that could be higher or lower or the same it could have been the way that you interpret it can go kind of wild it's just not enough information there's so many variables so I mean of the evidence that I've seen then it actually shows that it has either a negligible or potentially even a negative effect on the original video and actually he even made you change the title and the thumbnail so why do you think he asked you to do that that was a great question to be honest with you why do you think he made you do that excuse me he said don't use the same thumbnail and title why do you think he asked you that because as a creator of the IP that you'd like to fucking say because you siphon views from people dude it's so fucking obvious why you do it you ask a question and you answer for me you can have a monologue if you want to just mute me and just go on a fucking rant but if you want to ask me a question you have to answer here's the answer you can choose the IP he wants to be different and he wants some changes and he spoke to us so instead of crying and being a little bitch it seems like that's cat optics 101 he's just very much missed out on it this isn't an answer why did he ask you and it's saying well he has the capacity to ask me to change it he wasn't a little bitch like the rest of him as Ethan just said like Vince being a little bitch Ryan is at it which by the way supports the whole thing Vince was saying in the DM saying like I don't want the fucking pressure and the stress of coming out against XTC because look what happened told me a little bitch you might have 400,000 subs but that doesn't mean you have a big Twitter presence that doesn't mean that you're used to this kind of attention there are plenty of creators who get really big but if you never have any sort of drama if you never have any controversy the first one is still the first one and you might not have the personality that mesh as well with being able to deal with that it's a big deal, it's not something that should be overstated this is crying and being a bitch is that what you're saying? that's all I said is this Twitter or what? I just wondering who you're talking about go ahead I mean we all fucking know who you were talking about it's pretty obvious but yeah you can pull the card I never used a name I didn't use a name everybody except this person who asked me you can't prove that so then like I was saying if I be getting a little bitch ass stop it oh you did it again if not a lot of positives and some of them can actually one of the stipulations has included a motivated call to action to subscribe to the original creator most do not do this all the ones that get complained about of course that was J's primary fucking issue apparently pissed everyone off was just credit and let the person promote their shit if you're going to take the whole video please didn't show any positive oh speaking of that we should probably say right now everyone should follow XQC and Ethan no call to action if it was only negative she would have asked us to take it down and would have done that no he left it up for the experiment and he said do not use any of my other videos without my permission he literally told you that so it's a social experiment at this point it's like an experiment Ethan I think he's to just word it slightly but just be like don't you think that's fucking fascinating that the one that's working with you has told you one of the rules is you cannot react to any of my videos yeah don't you think that's interesting XQC so now he's only letting it because it's an experiment now okay well I showed you yeah do you have proof in that positive effect no he didn't show us that again sure so explain how this is good he said I'll let you describe the video witness an 87% decrease in impressions on the day of the reupload so explain that dub to me do you in your position had a time machine you guys know what point he's going to make right you have to if you don't access the alternate universe where I didn't then you can't actually say with proof which is like gosh I mean true which is technically true answer the question we do not since we're going to do the whole answer for you you do not have a time machine it is impossible to know playing the fucking who added that that's because it's Ethan's live show they have that effect that's great it's brilliant yes I have a time machine that's an assumption you have no proof of course the point he's trying to make is you have no proof and he's cut him off ahead and said you have no proof so you use I've analytics so one data sets you have no data set and also you're the dude stealing content so the onus should be on you to prove the great benefit of it I find it a little bit and a little bit disappointing in the middle of analytics spewing words to your audience and mine about spewing words you you're spewing your words you can't be the word man if you just shut your mouth I mean me with my words if you were to use the descriptor spew of words would that apply more to Ethan or feelings definitely he's like he's like the water sprinklers for lawns when they're going back to their original depth and then that's what he's like he's just always on that mode I bet you could perfectly edit like the like the same cadence and rhythm of his speech one of his little machine gun spurts matches up perfectly with it it makes less sense that Ethan would reveal his time machine he wouldn't want to reveal the time machine it's a tactical thing when we're trying to prove that it quite literally doesn't help anybody you're muddying the waters on a reason could you stop please it's going to get really bad I don't want to do the whole insult because you're doing that it's just a statement of fact not an insult as we go forward you are fucking bald you're what? look at me say like fat he clearly has hair at least fat would be like accurate yes he's not bald the thing is everyone has been prepped on this we've all seen it in the previous chapter of the react was he calls everyone bald it just means you're mad I guess I don't know a lot of bald people wouldn't even consider it an insult I've been told that it's apparently like a twitch I'm not aware of we've gone over it before it started as bald mad and bald that makes sense and now he's taking it a step further and he just calls people bald that doesn't make any sense I like how it's a regression but also a progression you remember the variable that made it funny which was the angry and bald just bald that's not a joke that's just is it it's a description that is involving your hair-spinning and it's great which means that you're old as fuck the man who's is like he's just like what the fuck am I dealing with I guess we're done with the debate what is this creature saying it's funny as well because Ethan's hairline that's incredibly strong pretty good that's not bad is Ethan like 39 or 40? a lot of people are 38 so it's not bad a lot of people at this age would have a strong hairline that goes further back than this or at least back on the sides that's pretty good that's like your Tim Pools of the world right like wow Tim Pools is he's in his 30s right but he's younger he's younger well it's just some people get it like yeah of course it's getting bald in their 20s for the record there's nothing wrong with being bald there's nothing wrong with being bald there's no moral failing no it doesn't make you a less it's terrible listen to the mean streamer here it doesn't make you a worse person but I knew one kid who started going bald at 17 and that was a rough fucking high school of course of course take it off well remember I think George Collin had the joke that you shouldn't shave your hair if you're balding just own it yeah but that's bad advice oh my god oh my god George Collin is wrong yeah you should only take good advice not the bad advice actually I think the worst that I've heard is that he's going to do a guy in college and he completely fine had a hair, shaved it off he went around bald for like six years he's like I'm going to grow it out again he grows it out, no hair oh full castanza and I was like oh dude I'm sorry well it's kind of better though because he kind of primed everyone that he just looks bald for six years I've got bald relatives and they just there's a bulb for a while he was depressed he was like I wasted all my hair that's the pretty good treatment that you can get there right if you're, I get ads for like the companies that we'll talk about like yeah man my confidence was back Rogaine and then like Hummerboard is cool because there's a prominent one in Australia you get ads for it a lot where they do like the treatment to make people's hair grow back so it seems like there's fairly effective strategies right didn't Trump get something done at one point because his hair looks like he can get transplants like homeover or something yeah that was actually pubic hair and then Trump transplanted it all it's Pringies bulb, I'm the opposite of bulb my hair grows fast and it's a big thick afro wow you think that's a hood on Pringies head? no the best is Elon Musk looks really good for what he used to be that was a transplant right I don't know is it like in Simpsons when the hair comes alive and it's like you and your brain and stuff be careful there's a few things there you like get somebody else's hair transplanted in and then you adopt their personality right classic good episode the premise is faulty my friend I have a beautiful hairline so this is the thing people play this out it's actually possibly the worst thing you could target Ethan Clyde for because there's a lot of physical things people make fun of him for and that he takes on the chin and makes fun of himself for look at his face he's so happy you're getting for his hair it's like his favourite part of himself the one thing that isn't he clearly has hair he has hair he has it there on his head it's like if you said Chris Hemsworth you're fat and he's just kind of looking at you it's just not true is he like figuratively or I'm surely not literally all those in the literal matter of fact it's a frame of mind as you see if he was able to explain it it would be like you think bold what your soul is bold your soul is bold is this one for you or not I'm having trouble with the premise it has a striking resemblance to you trying to argue other points it literally has no premise at all you're just throwing insults for this go ahead I'm going to be quiet wait hold on a second it didn't actually just said you're just throwing insults but he just threw the worst insult that's why he threw it he felt he was being insulted so he was like I'm coming for your boldness now oh shit if you're not physically bold you're morally bold and that's what matters you're spiritually bold you're bold and hot bold and hard you're bold in the beginning I don't know if you've done any statistical analysis in the past I don't know if you've had a tax pass do you have any statistics or not go ahead do you have any statistics or not go ahead wait wait did you do that did they do that they did that it's hailline cab that's not really good at it that's not the point that's why he pays that's the great thing when you have a producing crew they can do shit like this on the fly they can make up some good jokes what can you say he's just not bold excuse me try it something else that looks like a natural this is the meme with the crow on the stand up stage look at his card it's a one joke that's what this is that's what's happening if you check eFab I think it's in there if you grab it we can put it on the screen let me scroll up and grab it apparently he's about to say something that kind of makes sense I'm curious I'll give you a point right now but the problem is of course he'd sunk himself when he went after being bold I'm just picturing now though it's a dark room and it's like 2am and Ethan's at home and like inconsolable his wife goes to bed and he slowly removes his wig and he actually I gotta scroll through all these fucking golden wine mass memes any statistical analysis in the past do you have any experience with statistics or not go ahead do you have any experience with statistics or not go ahead just make your point go ahead just make your point what does it matter the curve of a video that looks like a natural curve you can see it's already going down before I watch it and it keeps going down at a certain rate past it do you have any proof or any indicators that the video would have performed poorly or better after the reaction wow just to actually get the point that was an argument and it's not a bad one either even though again it's like what is to be done when you can never directly compare one video to how it would have performed in an alternate timeline the best you can do is like for like yeah probably the best move here and while I wouldn't normally do this I think this might be a time to appeal to intuition reasonably we can probably assume that you're really hurting the channel I think it's a fair I think like the intuition is fair somebody's watched the video more or less exactly as it existed before what incentive do they have to go rewatch that video on that other person's channel they've already gotten everything they could have out of it he's already killed him he got him on motive he did get him on motive that's true this kind of goes into the question this kind of goes into the question I think you asked I remember when we were on a conversation with him all about the if an alien steals your work and then takes it to a different galaxy and profits off it is that make it wrong? it still kind of sucks even if you're not directly harmed by it even if no one is going to watch this original video still kind of shitty part of the reality I tried to reply was if all the aliens on that planet loved his work and then found that out which by the way there's a future armor episode where this fucking happens it's going to a planet where all of those creatures are actually real and she just watches them for a day and writes down all the things that happen kind of funny how that's exactly reflective when people find out she's a fraud obviously it's like you're not a good writer because intuitively it feels wrong even if they're not being harmed by it intuitively it feels like you're stealing or doing something wrong normally that part of what some of us would call soul would be like this isn't like this is something not right here I mean if your soul is bald maybe you feel that way it's a full head of hair you understand isn't that something they say like my soul is laid bare my fully-haired soul my soul is laid bald my soul is laid bald I lay my soul oh no yeah so people will go after XTC like you can't call Ethan bold or your hairline is much worse than his it's like oh shit uh oh you've lost you had one thing he was shitty in his 20s as well he was younger yeah he was 28 or something XTC but also like that's why he has the long hair that's framing his face which is not a bad idea it's just don't make fun of people from being bolding when it seems like you're on a off-the-track to getting don't make fun of people from being bold in general yeah I would never tell a murderer to yellow grave use a deep grave you know so Fringy's law is certain circumstances you can make fun of someone who's bald you can't do it here or here uh no I'd say that generally you should do it but if you're gone you're not bald if you're going to an insure you are not bald yeah it's the base of the basic law if you are insulting someone for them being bald do not be bald you might have heard the old expression those the classic age-old expression those in grass huts should not throw spears he who is not bald can cast the first bald I was literally a joke in community I forgot about that he's like what was the actor's name who played uh oh Chevy Chase he calls him bald and he just says you're bald and then Chevy Chase like rages out take that back so obviously listen listen guys guys we gotta stop all this harassment going on the stream oh my god now that you've done that rags gonna be like I'm gonna find a better one yeah there's no need to come to the dark side here oh nice oh you got you already you got fucked up yeah you're not you're not pouring hair jokes are you oh my god any data that we do have which is of course just one definitely proves that if it did have an effect it's negative or negligible and as the guy who is I mean right I mean you certainly can't say that this helped the video so are you actually arguing that a 87% decrease helped the video and excuse me that's really what you're arguing to me right now that's also good so we're gonna go ahead and have the conclusion that you did hold on a second hold on let's go back just a little bit can we go back like five seconds or something no it's five oh you want fair enough I just want to get a look at this yeah we're not paying for them you could go back more if you want yeah go back to the beginning if you want all the way so it seems like if you want to actually look at numbers here it seems like the rate of decline slowed after the reaction right so you could make the argument that excuse me might have given him a little bit of a boost he gave him a tiny tiny tiny help yeah arguably but also the problem is it might have happened anyway and then when he says a 87.87 decrease in impressions like it's it's the comparison of what it would have been if not for that like that number all this shit is so irrelevant until we have a comparison yeah no I mean this guy's analysis is wrong and stupid but Ethan can point to it and say look at the graph look at the graph Felix can just go yeah look at the graph I win like no I win look at this graph so like there's there's definitely graphs out there of like a video that's reacted to today there are there are graphs out there there are giraffes listen guys that's not split hairs here okay that's not split hairs oh my goodness gracious so there are many graphs out there a video got reacted to like a month after it came out and then there was like a viewership spike and a sub-spike and then it settles back down to like the normal background views of before I don't think you can make a claim that that hurt them you know because after a few weeks videos just kind of unless they're like certain types of content that are just always booming most videos on YouTube just kind of have the same amount of just background views constantly right well I think they shouldn't have gone this direction anyway they should have focused on the fact that he does the same tiles and thumbnails to get into the algorithm to siphon views it's simple it's over at that point that's what your goal is and he's trying to critique him morally that's it you don't need to bring up all this because this is just confusing and if anything I'm willing to concede that it could very well have benefited this person we really don't know this is why last time I was on Moller I said the numbers conversation actually isn't that interesting because it's just math right you can just perfect information you can math out oh did you actually gain or lose from it oh you gained okay it was good for you you lost it was bad for you but that's not a moral conversation because the moral conversation is you know how do you feel about what happened to them taking it you know did you get consent these are these are conversations you can't mathematically kind of suss out well and it's worth mentioning as well like I said this one even feels more irrelevant because of the stipulations which were like make sure to promote the channel and the video make sure to not have the same tile and thumbnail make you know it's just like well then that just doesn't help what you should be emphasizing is that like if he wants to make the argument with these stats is that these stats are the optimal this is the optimal situation best-case scenario essentially exactly you're most likely to get something from it compared to the typical kind of reaction what's the average you know reaction do you think on average it helps instead of saying well it can logically help you know arguing that if 87% decrease help the video excuse me that's really what you're arguing to me right now that's awesome dude so we're going to go ahead and have the conclusion that you did not have a I understand you're still when you fumble the pronunciation it kind of ruins the dunk I feel like half of his communication problems would be solved if he just slowed down yeah you can get a speech therapist you need one which you know I mean I'm assuming he has some actual disorder make fun of someone that has a disorder that's called being friendly I mean that is true if he does I think that speech therapy can often help with these kinds of problems I mean what was the king's speech all about if not perseverance and dedication to speaking and then you become good at speaking everyone's telling me that he's out as bold also true you know I think that it's really odd that XQC is calling Ethan bald when he's the one who needs to pay you worked on that probably for a little while right? I don't even get it no actually it just sort of it just came to me as if in a fucking vision from God I believe that no I've received special revelation from God in the form of that you obviously had to have worked on it because no you could work on it for a while or a short amount of time I worked on it for a very short amount of time that's virtually indistinguishable from like just came to me in a flash it was okay I don't I don't get it I'm fucking damn it I see a lot of brood to pay oh to pay I would have given you a sensible chuckle that was worth at least a sensible chuckle on the open market all these are the fastest speaking Anglos I don't know about that I feel like we're the slowest I have I'd be interested in a list though now that you've got the data can you back that up it's just a thought in my head because who is the fastest I would have put Australians lower on the list of the fastest speaking English speakers as far as I'm aware Welsh speak real fast fastest it's to the point we can't understand them the Brad Pitt character and snatch is like the fastest talking whatever that is I feel like if anything you would describe Australians as very drawn out and relaxed and loose not fast you don't have a very thick Australian accent I don't have a very thick Australian accent all things considered yeah what the fuck what do you mean how dare you were you raised by kangaroos? if I was raised by kangaroos I probably wouldn't speak English would I no with that attitude yeah I guess so you'd still speak better than XQC my best guess would be oh wow what is the implication rags if I was raised by kangaroos which I wasn't if you were raised by kangaroos you would still speak better than XQC I'm not lifting you up I'm dragging him down it's only an elocution someone in chat is pointing out I don't sound German enough so I guess I'm in the same boat for a game you sound kinda German you take that back none of you know what Welsh people sound like I don't sound that American very jammed I don't I'm pretty American when you think that when rags sound American where do you think is there a specific region of America the impression that I get is that what people think of as like an American accent it's kind of silly because there's a bunch of different American accents but I do feel like basically California is what people are thinking of with like an American accent I mean rags does not sound California at all no it's not like that Cali Valley thing it's more like a general sort of west coast American kind of that's what I imagine because it feels like you go to a lot of other places you get more distinctive kind of yeah I think it's called New England or New York various parts of New York I think it's called like metropolitan accent which is kind of like the lack of a specific dialect I've always felt rags sounds like he's from Arkansas that's kind of the impression I've gotten what I get the impression with rags is that it's rags is more like it's kind of you can get that southern kind of you can kind of hear it in there but it's not quite so strong yeah a little bit it's not strong because my dad's from Missouri and my mom never really had a strong southern accent so I never really picked one up from my parents that much she's from the south yes as far as I know she was born in Arkansas or either there or Oklahoma but that was before she could speak at that point I see a lot of people saying a Midwest accent which I was also kind of thinking but there is kind of a sort of there are some sort of quirks to Midwest and accent right when I worked in a restaurant people would often ask where I was from because of my accent because I guess just where I was dude I had people asking me how my parents sounded you have an odd accent I had no idea that you yeah but I don't get that one I do not understand that one well no you don't to an American you don't sound American but maybe to no no way I do not sound like an American I was saying to an American I was from an educated West Virginia to an American you don't sound American but maybe to someone who's not American Australian and I don't think I sound like an American so I mean I agree but you're you you're biased I'm biased you're bald biased and bald done what do you think is the most do you think the Oxford accent is like what people think of when they think of a British accent or do you think it's more like Cockney or like Yorkshire I have to imagine people have a couple in their head for British I don't think it's going to be a dominant necessarily maybe English at that point wow English like what that's what I'm saying though British is already there's like a bazillion accents in Britain if there was one people thought of it's probably going to be English before any of the others and then which of English is probably going to be like I don't know I don't think it would be the Posh one it would probably be a combination of somewhere between Posh and Cockney I mean it's all English to me so I don't know all bunch of proto-Americans running around old racism that actually makes sense both racism there's actually a thread of logic there I think of when I think about British accent it comes down to either like I don't know the names of them it's either like a Lee Mack or a David Mitchell kind of thing do you think that's do you think there's anybody who thinks of Michael Cain's accent as like typical British that would be bad that's just Michael Cain's accent that's Michael Cain hmm he's the best because he's the easiest person to impersonate because the meme is you just say Michael Cain and you start to sound like him yeah Michael Cain yeah that's great that's wonderful we do not condone the use of cocaine on every frame of pause I do whatever it is that XQC took before this tangerines oh tangerines are great remember two serves of fruit you know every day it's two serves right two serves of vegetables I don't know how many servings of fruit you get a day I was taught two and then five servings of vegetables which I feel like the American Heart Association also known as ah ha recommends four to five servings each of fruits and vegetables daily so Fringy I've got some bad news you're horrifically malnourished and you may die at any moment I eat a lot of fruit I eat vegetables I like fruit and strawberries yeah I mean fruit is wonderful I feel like I need more work fruit is often good on its own yeah I didn't quite work into it yeah basically yeah he skipped vegetable day but you can just eat a strawberry or a plum or something like that and it'll be really yummy but you're not just going to yank out and bite in you know I didn't eat the fish dude I don't eat the fish I only had that one time did you like it I liked it I prefer salmon I wouldn't I would not eat the cat no I wouldn't I didn't say anything about a cat you said Garfield that's where you plant the Garfish I got salmon in my fridge I'll make it up to the stream I got a half a full a decent amount good stuff yum we do have to attend to listen to execute at some point we can't avoid a forever well here's the thing Mahler we literally don't have to this is our job we literally we make the decisions we could just leave and say goodbye everyone but here's the thing we're about to say before we segue back into might it be worthwhile to remind anybody who's popped in not the good news absolutely Mahler flash it on screen I was going to do it between the XQC Ethan section and the Ethan Hasan section okay that's okay I mean it doesn't matter we can just tell people you have vinyls that's true we'll just keep telling people we're going to give them a big show of it but yeah anyone who's like actually and new and like what do you just say vinyl music check the description and maybe you'll get your answers as to what he's referring to but it's not making any sense I love that we return on that how is it that a 52% decrease in viewers is a dub for you because it could have been a 65% it could have been worse yeah it could have been worse do you have any proof that you could have just let him sit there that didn't look great for Ethan right oh it could have been worse power of silence would it have been did it vinyl or not that's that's such a silly way to try to deflect from this really compelling data because in my data sets I think Ethan's coping a little bit well here's the thing though I don't like when XQC is saying in my data sets it's like okay you gotta show them it's not appealing to data sets that we never get to see what data do you have that would lead us even to believe oh I have the data I have the data and the statistics can you just show them like do you mind showing them once yeah evidence you don't present is not evidence exactly I have loads of evidence it's like I went to the harm it's like there's a really great argument that would destroy your point exhibit A just imagine it it's really good exhibit A exhibit B I know the answer but I'm not going to tell you it it's a bunch of them it seems to me that you're looking for any excuse any out to justify you stealing content for people now it's time to get back to hammering the overall point because this is a dead end case of data that suggests it's not okay here it comes when the man fails to compile it appropriately like somebody who knows what he's doing you make a conclusion based on one piece of data that you don't even understand is this a void to proceed with for you or not is this a way to you if only he was more eloquent he's actually doing okay what he just said is that he's all it he's getting a second win but he's stumbling you know what's going on here I don't get it me neither dude exactly yeah sees the opportunity to get away from that point kind of tell me that a significant decrease in views is a dub Ethan I guess I'll do I just lost 16 viewers since you've talked clearly you're robbing me how do you know that you're not boring maybe you're the fucking boring one oh you're saying it's impossible to know we only have a one time line right you're definitely more boring and not as fun to watch that's a fact it all could probably not a good response I think Ethan realizes that pretty soon now and he actually pulls it back really that's a joke of course I think you're very entertaining you're very talented it came across super patty this is like his big chance he's kind of right here so I'll say this ultimately I'm pretty perplexed by this conclusion that I guess negative data even just one data set okay I got you you want to go I really didn't think you would bite on a data thing because you are going to get fucking clapped right just bring out the data you've got it this is the time this is like this is why you have the data so that if you're in a big debate on the internet you can use that shit what are you holding onto what are you holding onto it for in case you need it later you don't expend it take a shit or get off the part situation get the data or move on from this point yeah but since you want the data okay I mean even though you're the one that has to prove something that's negative I could before you do that can you do me a favor read number three of his stipulation we're going back to this it's really really solid you know damn we'll pull it up for you I'm sorry I'll read it because I'll read it because I can English it sounds so mean but it's so true with peace and love I don't think many people understood that with peace and love being fair use a different thumbnail for XQC's reaction video to prevent any direct competition with my video and to minimize viewer confusion direct competition viewer confusion you just fucking do it you just do it you just do it direct competition viewer confusion you just fucking threw his bottle away that's why you use the same title I didn't say that this is the video to prevent any direct competition with my video and to minimize viewer confusion direct competition you just do it at least he screwed the top odds we were fucking drool over the carpet you just tossed it over his shoulder I know fusion even he thinks so same title and thumbnail bro why are you denying reality well that valent accent I just lost 16 viewers again better be funny or something bro it sucks as much as I obviously on Ethan's side of this argument XQC had something Ethan dragged him back to the thumbnail because it's been his strongest point and XQC just let him well I'm just telling you XQC you're the guy who sits like this in fucking okay so the transformative nature is about how straight you sit got it you want to talk about amount of transformation then if you want to move on to that topic let's just get some of your wife's old merch which is a direct I love this topic so for anyone who doesn't know this gets brought up a lot the teddy fresh had a big old controversy because you look Klein that's her business I believe teddy fresh they sell clothing and one of their designers basically straight up stole a design and they got in serious trouble for it but it's been sourced as far as I'm aware I don't know if it was more than one I can't claim otherwise but this conversation they'll cover most of it anyway I saw that I've seen it and some of the arguments you had against it but obviously this is just speaking like actually what the fuck are you doing yeah this is where he's just reaching for whatever you can grab he knows that this is a thing a drama that happens so he's using it you're evil too if you look at like Ethan's smile he knows exactly what XQC is walking into I think I changed the angle by 16 degrees and I changed a little bit of a gamma color on this one that's very transformative now I'm gonna watch your entire thing not react in any way you should perform I'm gonna change the color of the gamma in opacity and I'm gonna rotate sideways that's very transformative right Ethan come on so let me ask you before I address that and I'm happy to I'm gonna address everything you said about teddy fresh what does it matter if I'm a hypocrite how does that affect this conversation we're having genuinely you did try this before XQC isn't intelligent enough to understand what's being said to him we're talking about the philosophical nature of taking people's videos and I'm having this conversation with you but instead of answering the question you're constantly deflecting to prove that no I'm a bad guy and I don't see how why you would do that other than the fact that you don't have a good argument to argue the substance like why do you keep deflecting what does it matter if I'm a hypocrite Ethan you know sometimes you send it like a tweet if you'll comment in the bottom they say there's still time to delete this there's still time to fucking end the call and you go about your day okay before you say some really fucking dumb shit okay when you're out here okay again it's like XQC wasn't even fucking listening did you not hear anything Ethan said no he's just angry no he's just angry it was and there's ways out of this you just feel like I'm just trying to prove that you don't believe in what you're claiming to believe we have to say what does it matter that I'm a hypocrite I'm just saying when you say well dude what does it matter that I'm a hypocrite well no I'm genuinely curious but I'll answer the teddy-fresh before you do your monologue it discredits all your points in which you look like no it doesn't no I'm genuinely curious no no no XQC no I really want you to answer it and you fell on your face no it's an interesting philosophical question okay first of all the teddy-fresh thing so teddy-fresh is a company with 30 employees and by the way I love whenever someone's losing a debate to me they bring this up it's literally the lowest hanging fruit and if you know anything about me you know I've talked about this a thousand times but I'll address it because you brought it up we have like a whole team of designers and sometimes our designers um are taking stuff way too close to the source and I agree and it's not okay give a fuck so does my editors there's a hole in that topic no it's what you do as a result oh I'm so fucking insane if you find out that one of your employees nicked someone else's design and you fire them and you compensate the person who was wrong then you're good to go XQC it rags XQC doesn't see the difference between the people who find out the problem happened and try to rectify it and prevent it in future and the person who just lets it happen he's like the same damage was done both times so fuck you yeah it happened though it's uh really great position really strong position to have still sometimes when somebody gets confused at the company when one of the sweatshop guys gets it wrong oh my bad but when my editor gets it wrong oh no we are steaming it hold on hold on let me finish my point yeah bring it out here like bring it in bring it in like it's okay dude he's like comes across as he's freaking out because now there's two of them yeah hold on I didn't your husband is bald oh no oh my god really dude my hairline is okay dude the fact that you're coming for my hairline just proves how fucking delusional your whole that's a metaphor for all of your arguments okay teddy fresh we have designers right and it's a big we have a fairly large company this is a common problem in all street wear we've had designers who who have pretty much close to stole designs we fired people over it and every time it comes up we have company meetings and say guys this is unacceptable if you're caught do you see how like XQC is bored because now you have to listen to the whole explanation like why did you bring it up yeah like yeah you brought it up of course it's gonna waste a time he's gonna know it way better than you all you've got is someone told you he's already which I imagine I'm not very familiar with this I imagine he's already talked about this at length probably with how obsessive he is about the legality of everything obviously they have squared all of this away like no way they haven't so now you've just invited them to explain how innocent they are doing this you will be fired and we've made a strict guideline and it doesn't happen anymore what have you done what have you done to prevent it okay so okay okay that's what you sound alike it's so bad no he's done you can talk he's done I'm just being silly go ahead I'm sorry I don't know how you put up with this shit I would fucking leave his ass oh my god he's this seriously he reminds me of XQC flailing buddy stop get back on time this is looking bad yeah I think a third child with him wait XQC didn't even say we're getting divorced guys go ahead XQC is getting you know our four year old though oh no I'll throw it back because that was a very snide and quick comment from one of the people on Ethan's team but XQC is currently going through a divorce as far as I'm aware and so Ethan making reference like he did even make fun of my divorce so the guy in the background said he's going through a divorce but again the problem is XQC was the first one to start talking about the relationship that was a grass hut damn it no he's done you can talk he's done I'm just being silly go ahead I'm sorry I don't know how you put up with this shit I would fucking leave his ass I'm having a third child with him oh my god wait XQC didn't even say we're getting divorced go ahead you know our four year old though would like that look over yeah isn't there like a rumor going around though that Ethan is getting divorced there is a rumor apparently it's not anything yeah I don't know that's a while ago though I don't know who you got it for but our four year old would love your giraffe in the back don't buy it it's what you're pricing for no reason but I get a lot okay so let me I'm sorry Eila came to defend Teddy Fresh he actually wasn't planning to come in but you brought up Teddy Fresh listen then talk to me because I'm the person running Teddy Fresh not him you want to talk about it talk to me I understand Eila and the reason why I brought up that point is that sometimes some things happen it's somebody else's fault it's a mistake it's a whatever and some things just gonna happen is he implying it's the editor's fault yeah like some things are gonna happen I'm not gonna change anything about it because as I already said I don't give a shit but you did something so actually I have nothing to stand on so I don't know why I brought it up mistakes were made okay human nature and of course it's fun and the question is what do you do about it what are you doing about it I took action about it and it hasn't happened since things came up online people pointed out to us we had meetings at the office we made guidelines what are you doing about it that's the question okay so if you guys stop bombarding and you actually listen to the answer I'm talking I'm defending my company just answer the question if you'll stop interrupting just answer the question bro nobody cares okay I'll answer the question so what you are agreeing with me is that sometimes there's gonna be a mistake there's gonna be something that somebody doesn't want and you'll repeat go on and you will rectify it after the fact in hindsight what we did is not okay you continue to do it on a daily basis several times that is the point in full basic point but for some reason XQC keeps trying to appeal to the fact we've both done it in the past therefore we are the same that's it I'm here and I said I don't care there's nothing wrong with it I'm distributing to those guys who made the original graphic I'm making their life better while I'm sitting in a Gucci shirt you know yeah that was like a thousand bucks I know exactly yeah that felt weird the shirt he's wearing is apparently a thousand dollars yeah why he's one of those wealthy people that buys all this expensive kinds of dumbass shit he definitely buys stuff because it's expensive it's crazy that there's a market to just make things that are expensive just so people can buy them because they're expensive like it's not anything else right is it even for like a practical use or a beauty use like any kind of anything it's just it's worth a lot of money and that's it I don't know how a shirt has to look I don't know how a shirt would have to look like that I would be like yeah I'm gonna pay a thousand bucks for that maybe if it had Mr. Freeze from Batman and Robin on it and if that shirt costs a thousand bucks you got fucking scammed no it's worth a thousand bucks at that point okay if you had on the back like you know be cool or something okay that's two thousand yeah while you would bring that up to be honest that's gonna I thought it was a good point because you're taking because you're saying that you care answer the question you do nothing to rectify it while we do so go ahead what are you doing about it on a daily basis every single person that has brought a negative point about the videos but you don't change what you do we have absolutely we have it you literally said I don't care oh yeah but I still do the right thing though which is what which is work to make better thumbnails better description and to better work with the creators make better thumbnails that's a fucking lie he's still doing it today behind the video so that we don't fuck them over and they actually gain something from it now I'd like to talk with Sheila for a minute so what you're saying is that you're repairing from hindsight which is something that you even try to get at me at right and then you can't do it if it hasn't happened yet he keeps trying to pin them on the fact that we're both doing the same thing we both repair the problems when they come across please help us out okay fair enough then I XQC the corporate company well we have like two employees two editors right help us out guys this is so sad we have two guys we're playing the victim card here right well they sometimes make mistakes too it hasn't happened to us in a long long time since we took action this just happened to you on a daily basis just I think the difference if I can say is that I've been listening and when Ethan is asking you about this for example you don't say that this is wrong the thumbnail the matching thumbnail and title you say I did it because I like it no he says they're working on better thumbnails so the answer is changed now if this is your answer that sounds a lot better better thumbnail there is an irony if he did have like a really good thumbnail and title it might get into its own sort of algorithmic feedback that's better than trying to siphon the original video who knows is that I'm trying to make a bold point from the latch off the fact that he's on the fucking high road he shows the high road of the whole process that's your problem well he does have the high road all he's trying to do is point out he's a hypocrite he keeps trying to do that which is just like it's not even that great of a point even if you were completely correct when you are on the high road it is a thin fucking it is a thin fucking road on the high road again this is like seven metaphors like having a contest to see which one could manifest that road is thin and icy and you can slip and crack and fall in a bold you have to be really tight what you do, the thing that you say and how you act the high road is a bold road he's live everyday for hours please I'm talking to Ethan don't interrupt me now you take in the high road silence woman you have to be really tight in how you operate say things like oh well he does this right well you are wrong and I just told you okay so the designs you stole that's gonna be a thief piece of shit garbage that was not right when that happened it hasn't happened a long time and we made and we actually made efforts to prevent it you have not you said your efforts to prevent it is better thumbnails and titles bro this is your example of better thumbnails and titles two weeks ago this is two weeks ago what's funny about it is you know the Edison sword was like if I put XCC's face on it it'll cover the airplanes maybe the six I gotta move it I'll put this there and that yeah I've done it there we go I'm a good person the guy you did the experiment says change my thumbnail change the name be so that my audience doesn't get confused and so that you don't steal my views why are you denying that it's so obvious okay so like I said like I said answer the question the question is how is it that you can deny that you're stealing views and intentionally misleading audience to clicking your fucking video intentionally that is not intentional how is oh my god they accidentally look the same that's the thing it's so clear to the audience as well at this point it's like what do you mean you're not intending to do that it's obvious is it possible is it possible let's say someone comes from your stream they've watched you all day they love you they're a big fan they watched you react to let's say Mr. Beast's new video and then they come to the homepage and guess what they see there Mr. Beast's new video do you think are they less likely or more likely to click his video after they saw it on your channel that is an excellent question nice and clean are they of consideration the reason why this is a good question is because it doesn't actually change a lot of XQC's argument about the benefits but it sounds fantastic to hear him say they would click it yeah that's a pretty decent good mental and concise question yeah answer the question dude well more or less likely no no no just answer one or the other two choices less got them yeah that's the thing XQC knows Ethan knows Heela knows the whole audience though it's like well there it is that's been said now and so it feels blatant and if he knows that and he's doing the thumbnail and title thing it's just like you're not being sold as a great participant in this whole industry you know really feels like you are just trying to steal economy as you say damn so so that means that verbs that you're stealing that views intentionally so the views and the click rate on that particular instance do you think that would that will end up being a raw loss of the creator or not and this is the correct place to go next the overall the net gain or loss is it higher or lower it's the channel going to benefit though overall even if the views on that particular video don't go up as opposed to you know the alternate timeline that's where the conversation should go next and Ethan just needs to cut him off now yeah and all he has to say is you're the one doing the thievery the burden of proof is on you to show that it does and also just because you steal from someone and incidentally some good comes of it do you think that's something you want to be promoting sorry are we done talking about Teddy Fresh yeah if we're done talking about Teddy Fresh it should be better because I don't want to be like a game get out thief before I fucking robin hood this shit before I start responding to wealth is the only figure that he knows from literature Robin Hood quite useful for this no Robin Hood isn't analogous because Robin Hood was a thief he was just he was a noble thief he was like a thief from the rich what do you want to paint the image of is someone who like an enforcer he needs to pick like a like an enforcer white knight a white knight would be what you're looking for well Colin Prince charming I haven't got authority that XQC is white he did mention it holy shit I'm gonna come at you guys for stealing some designs Jesus Christ bro you're being pretty silly but ours is defensible yours is not or at least we're made it's not defensible but anyway thank you know what I mean I don't see this that sucks he completely misspoke because two kinds of defensible defensible in the sense that you did what was right once the event took place that is defensible the act itself was obviously not defensible yeah yeah guys it is defensible thievery guys they he pulled it back before you made fun of him it's too late it's stealing in the right way I retracted that as soon as I said it right what you heard I said we've corrected the air an understandable air in my opinion one that you refuse to remedy after time and time and time again you provide me zero direct answers this would be the time to do the speech to wheel out that line it does feel like Ethan is trying to end it he's done all the damage he's ramping up I think you know you're wrong and I think you don't care that you're wrong because it benefits you greatly you make a lot of money you don't want to change what you do and here's another thing you're not going to be able to make 12 hours of content for a kick who paid you 100 million dollars if you can steal other people's content because if you nailed it what the fuck are you going to do while they sit there and gamble nobody's going to watch that shit this is the thing Ethan has presented a very compelling story about this entire situation and it's so important to present a story that people understand and essentially believe to be true and there's a lot of facts that he can point to it's such a thorough breakdown compared to the sporadic scattershot insults that XQC has been talking about all the time you fucking prepare for shit like this well I mean this is the thing even if it's not necessarily 100% true because I guarantee you if XQC decided to play games he'd get a lot of viewers anyway so when Ethan says no one's going to watch that shit you could do other things just watching youtube videos the problem is that XQC is not good at refuting the narrative that Ethan is presenting as you said it's a really good story especially after everything that's been said even though that little bit was wrong and maybe some other little tiny bit was wrong the fact that the whole story makes sense and it's pretty powerful it's done well I have to say again not a fan of Ethan Klein but he's a pretty strong performance yeah pretty good you'd have to be delusional to think that XQC came out of this looking better in any way how did XQC's audience react to this I'm sure they already were oh they don't know how to react they don't know what reactions are well talking about XQC's reactions I guess speaking of that look at his face right now when he said you just sit there and gamble like that what do you say to that if you watch this shit already they don't care about you even have an argument it's clear you're not very good at that you lost 12 viewers man my views are very good nice throwback so I don't need like a therapist to give us a hint when does it end Ethan it seems like when you go on these tangents you just go on a rampage and you just ramble and ramble without making any concise point or a question you don't allow me to say that you can't say that I think he realized that as he was saying it like man I do that all the time do we talk like adults now or not oh shit I think this conversation we saw it like it's awesome to say that he was balding the whole time yeah and if you call it Ethan's cutting it off he's like this is exhausted cause yeah he's done everything he needs to do now yeah time to withdraw people would rather watch me full screen cam do the fucking worm bro do it for a week do a week of no reaction content see how many fucking views you get all these crying in the corner what is this sure not even the worm that's true that's not even the worm what the fuck is going on he just got on the ground and started scrolling around listen this is when you're not balding this is what I'm talking about this is yeah this is lucidity in its highest form just take a screenshot of this with his ass and they're saying we're not balding this is zen this is zen oh shit Ethan couldn't have you couldn't have given him more than what he wanted this is gone so his way at the end of the debate you're so mad that you get on the ground and start scrolling around like a worm it's crazy it is I'm surprised you haven't seen this through just osmosis this clip got shared everywhere obviously yeah I've seen that as well I think this conversation is kind of been exhausted people would rather watch me full stream cam do the fucking do a week do a week of no reaction content and see how many fucking views you get oh he's crying in the corner okay sure okay sure it's original content at least yes do that bro do the mates cleaned up before that yeah not the greatest performance for XTC bro it's awesome do a week of no react content oh man even a day even a day do one day without react content it doesn't seem like a fun challenge to see what you could do for a day his results are usually like fuck off you don't understand the stats man that's been like a fun challenge I mean we've done experimental leaf app episodes that are just like full discussions wow and of course movie breakdowns and things like that it would be interesting to see like what does it look like if you try to stream for 12 hours with nothing but what's going on in your head as a source of inspiration but yeah I don't think it'd be very receptive to that idea well how did those work out oh we've had positively the ones where we talked about a lot of the important aspects of storytelling for like each individual person on the panel favorite story and why like that was a really good episode I really like that one I think it's a lower viewed but fan favorite probably I guess anyway some of those like recently the secret invasion one apparently everyone's fucking watching that one but how many people would consider it their greatest and favorite years from now I don't know the Draxon was pretty funny dude that Draxon was hilarious I can't like entertainment right some poor VFX guy was like looking at the still frame and thinking fucking hell why did they make me do this at least they paid me a little bit well isn't the recent development that like Marvel VFX artists thinking about unionizing yeah that's right they are that's what I've heard there's a lot of shaken up going on in Hollywood a lot of changes your wife's merch sale sales on the first wave when knives and designs were stolen 90% 90% wow dang well that's a claim that's just a theory what you're just being silly bro I'm being silly prove me wrong I'm putting the proof is on you now right if you make an argument you haven't even shown I mean what he made a claim do you like that Ethan was like you haven't even shown what what you're being silly bro you're being ridiculous well it seems like I have to prove everything and you have to prove nothing well if you say that if you say the 90% thing then yeah the burden of proof is on the person making the claim so yes it is up to you to prove that I figured this was this is still their show oh really it all was going to happen I knew that nothing was coming out it was a team now I think that we've done a good job at getting to the heart of what you care about and how you feel about taking people's videos I think it was illuminating I think we had a really good conversation oh my god it's jover I don't think you have anything else interesting to say so I think we can wrap it up I think your audience thinks I have something interesting to say it's just a promise that you want me to sit here and listen to you see what you crawl around on the ground like a worm I'm gonna have a show to do you actually fucking organize and put work into my show I understand for you you're just burning time you could sit here for 12 hours I'd make your life easier you wouldn't have to go steal videos but me I plan this I have a show I have a schedule this is stop being interesting because you're just sitting there saying silly shit and doing the worm so with that being said thank you for calling I feel like it was very illuminating and I wish you the best and I hope you have a great stream I wanted to ask him who is mr. chair hold on real quick that was a subtle dig at the end did you hear that when he said thank you for calling as if he was like a call like a caller in a call in it wasn't like a scheduled debate he said thank you for calling specifically yeah like it's cute that you wanted to try and explain this nonsense but you know it's time to go it's time for you to go mr. chair is here actually I'll show this I wanted to ask him that one point oh yeah one point you forgot to do while he was here because I actually think this would have been interested to see XCC's response to say this sorry no it's okay it's okay that was not going anywhere but here for the people still watching here's him talking about mr. chair I have a concept in my chat called mr. chair if I'm gone and watch a video and I leave mr. chair watch this video for me and chat fucking loves mr. chair more than they like me that means that they like the original video hey did he steal chelie from me pretty much same concept yes but the thing is like if he had played this a lot of all of it watched him squirm after it this is great for the audience too he's saying that either he says here chat hates me like it's admitting that chat would rather him not be there so that they can watch the original content unobstructed which is something we discovered by the way of course I was causing when he was talking people telling him to hit play and to shut the fuck up unfortunately the culture surrounding react content is part of the reason why it's such a problem the views of which you're stealing but he's he's saying yeah I just walk away in my chair my chair does the work for me they love mr. chair okay and for them that has value and I think that that is can be understated that the chair adds value it can't be understated oh chair let's see getting xcc to acknowledge that defended on the live show would have been funny the empty chair adds value how can I have a conversation with this guy the truth is that he wants to be radically honest about what he's doing he wants to say I don't care about this I'm doing it I don't care he wants to make a million he wants to make a million uh exceptions oh if they come to me I'll pay them let's do the neck there cracking or something rats basically as far as I'm aware anyway there were like ticks onus on the victim to come to him the biggest content creator in the world there's a huge power dynamic but one guy did talk to Vince since he doesn't want the heat and of course why would he right I mean he's clearly not very stable to begin with I mean he hasn't slept clearly sending him a complaint could easily backfire on somebody um he wants to be radically honest about it but when he when it comes time to explain what he's doing is wrong he won't own it he's radically honest up to a point yeah I mean he wants to he wants to do the chat yes while also not doing it yeah where you say why are you naming it the same title and the same thumbnail as their video because I wanted to he can't he can't go there because he knows he's wrong that's just me sorry but it's true what an interesting debate that was it was interesting he uh he got fucking minced yeah that was an violation that was bad it's just crazy to me that his prep was made by his editor and he didn't even watch the edit he also didn't watch the original video and then when Ethan explains to him why is this cut off there's part of the transformation like right there of the content it's like pre-reacting it's like what is what is happening what are we doing this is all part of reacting you talk about what is happening then you lead into the topic or whatever show the clip talk more that's how you do it just so everyone knows you can just term it something else and it's like now it doesn't count because that's pre-acting it's like fuck off there is another chapter left because this caused fallout for Hassan and it's funny okay before that before that we're going to talk a little bit about these vinyl figures because the entire audience has cycled in now it's a completely new audience than when we started the show I'm sure of it you guys don't know we've got vinyl figures for the eFap crew look at that look at how amazing this is look at them oh my goodness I'm so erect I've clipped with goo popcorn film reels because that pretty much summarizes the whole thing you got to get them together you can get a discount and they come in these beautiful little packages look at it look at them go wow that one says Moller this one says Fringy this one says Fringy oh my goodness they're holding goo popcorn and film reel they're just being happy fellas they really do look great I really like the way that they've turned out look at him spin that's how you know their top quality that's a good trick we figured you guys might like something different this time not the plushy the vinyl these things can be stood up on a shelf maybe on your desk and of course if you want to keep them in the box or take them out of the box as people like to do with their vinyl figures it's true I'm not that glued into the vinyl figure culture I'll have to learn what it is that's the cool thing to do these are hyper limited edition you will likely never have a chance to get these again your life that's how special they are these are particularly potentially unique these will never be made again and who knows how many more vinyl figures will be made so as exclusive as they were before these are even more exclusive you're going to be looking back if months from now you don't buy these all three of them together for the 15% discount you will look back at your old self and you'll say what a fool I was I could be sitting right here with my beautiful gorgeous EFAP limited edition vinyl figurines and yet here I am sans figurines wallowing in the misery of loneliness this is what you'll be telling yourself months from now if you don't buy these all together for the 15% discount they're available for a limited time you got time but it is a limited time you do have time specifically a limited time of 28 days 15 hours 20 minutes and 55 seconds 5 minutes left not a lot of time not the greatest amount of time but some time it is some time but time fleets away it flitters away with every second that passes is one more second that you did not spend buying it's one less second that you could use to buy them time does eventually go bold and that is you look kind of bald here did you see your vinyls bald here you look very shiny you also look shiny you all look very shiny we're just shiny happy people that's what we are man I'm ready to have these bundles of happiness sitting on your shelf, your bookcase, on your desk or next to your tv anywhere and they'll last forever, they'll outlive you these could become cherished heirlooms for your children that they can pass down to their children and one day your children will ask you they'll probably be like a mythology about these strange creatures the eldritch, the gaffin mask man and the green plague doctor bird that will pass that will go on some glasses they will be asking after the apocrypips they will say what are these figures mean what are they because english will have disappeared and civilization will have restarted after the great wars but you'll still have these final figurines they'll become religious icons for around which to build the new civilization in the new world this is this is chariot to the gods kind of stuff right here I think everything that's been said is pretty normal this is all everything that I'm telling you is true don't forget when bought together I have a discount and it's my absolute collection that's part of the lore they are indeed anyway you guys want to watch more videos yeah sure I have this craving for popcorn right now I wish I had some yummy delicious popcorn I don't have a craving to consume my gear right now but I don't want to eat film but you know I do have a question here moeller do you have set up in this next segment the aftermath of the debate on destiny's channel I do not but obviously the summary of that is destiny tries to explain to xqc how he lost it doesn't work out that great I'm sure it went well what was wild about that is xqc came in and was like I won I feel amazing about this and I was like what no one felt amazing about this for you xqc well I mean I guess he's trying to convince himself right yes he's his own hype man do you think he could afford one but what he could afford like that joking family guy your own person who suck up just decreasing everything you say nice weather today that's a little cloudy it's like horrible nice tie I hate that I hate this tie it's awful it's gotty it's gotta go and I hate myself well I hate you too that sack of crap but I'm the president the best one there is but you just said you hated me but not you the president you hate slight clouds and then his head explodes oh family guys so sorry it's just do you think he actually was just coping or do you think he genuinely believed that he won that yeah I think the big thing that was pushing him is he thought the Ethan went to insults and like cheap tactics way faster and so that he won the optics battle but obviously he did not he was mistaken he knew am a man of bull who said that who said that who said that first we got this was some immediate aftermath there was a couple of DMs but this was the one that I wanted to look at so rags do you want to play xqc I yes of course of course I would I would even huh his accent his accent is stutter his accent is xqc there's no what else what does xqc stand for I have no not like thievery or anything I mean like what do the letters mean no clue okay alright well I mean it's on you he's the first I know Ethan I know it kills you inside you inside you lost so much time and money in that lawsuit wait to slow which one I I don't know whichever really you seem so bitter after it I'm fine anyways when the bills kick in and you're struggling remind yourself you leaked DMs out of insecurity look at my watch oh my yep the watch in my nail look at my watch in my nail and don't forget I got your whole house on my wrist so just for reference we're chucking our simpsons reference now there was a joke in the simpsons where I can't remember which character they have a watch that's gold and it has jewels inside that are so big that the hand can't move just something to think about the hand moves right the hand moves in this one but it's the spirit of the thing the watch is so important that it looks expensive that it's no longer usable what is that so let me oh there are the hands on the bottom side okay so I think it is 8 I want to say 820 so this watch 821 ish yeah this is an a royal oak frosted gold double balance wheel open worked from Audemars paquette if you go to their website and for those of you who are interested here in case you want to get your own royal oak frosted gold double balance wheel open worked watch from Audemars paquette you can go here to this link you might notice if you go to this link that it's price on request and you can plan an appointment to discuss your potential purchase of the royal oak frosted gold double balance wheel open worked you know it's expensive when you have to ask them to find out the cost I've heard it's like a 6 digit kind of price of course it is well according to dexerto.com the watch in question is from Audemars paquette's royal oak frosted gold double balance wheel open worked can sell for up to 456 $255 USD things I could do with that kind of money man yeah you could buy a watch it's so ugly you can't buy pretty you can't buy pretty now why is this watch so expensive it is very bald but it's beautiful bald because you'll notice for the price for instance the shimmering 18 carat frosted gold case and bracelet are enhanced by a bezel set with 32 baguette cut rainbow colored sapphires 2.24 carats all individually cut how incredible it's excellent in the case is a hammered 18 carat white gold case bezel set with rainbow colored baguette cut sapphires air proof sapphile crystal and case backs crew lucked crown so the dial a rhodium toned open work dial pink gold applied hour markers and royal oak hands with luminescent coating so yeah there's a lot of there's a lot that's going on here a lot that's going on here too much there's too much going on there what was the price they sell for up to 456 $255 USD this is something that he wears on his wrist first off let's let's be very clear here XQC cannot read this watch not because it's very confusing but because he doesn't know how to read an analog clock almost certainly I would it would save money he doesn't know what an analog clock is like in the words themselves you know what I mean probably yeah I can believe it but yes well okay first of all obviously showing off your what like rubbing your wealth someone's face obviously like one of the most low class thing you can do right but then on top of that like as a mansion itself I was gonna say Ethan and Ila live in a very rich mansion don't they I live in a giant mansion they're very wealthy the idea of it's like calling a bolt it doesn't even make sense I don't know it's just like I feel like Jeff Bezos called up Bill Gates was flexing about like his watch or something yeah Bill got myself a yacht outside it sounds like a fucking family guy joke or a simpsons like a cartoon show I don't know it really is because you said like you think that he probably thinks he won the debate but is this winning behavior setting somebody on the debate look at my expensive watch look at what my fever he bought me was this how long after the debate was this I think it was like a day you see the time it's like 3.45 in the morning oh yes the same day I actually think this was just yeah after the debate so I remember Ethan saying that he didn't even know why he was awake at this point because he was malding there are plenty of content creators that I don't ask for permission beforehand as well one because they're my friends or two because like it's a compelling video that I know I'm going to make a transformative product out of thumbnail right and if I make a transformative product out of that and you see it on my youtube this is Hassan coping trying to explain that he only ever does it with permission or transformative he doesn't steal he wouldn't do that fucking lying again it's like you watch it's the cookie jar shit it's like what are you doing we saw you everyone saw you does he just have random letters on his jacket I'm sure it's like a C-E-N-D is that an H-I-L you can make something out of that yeah it's like a little pixel little game you can play appropriate for them to try and strike it down Peter Santanello's videos are a great example of this it's like 3 hours long usually you know what a lot of the pros do Hassan is that when you're talking you pause the video it's playing so that when I was covering this to grab the relevant clips he like never pauses any like live show thing I guess because just to stay like up to date even though he's like ignoring everything they're saying why didn't you want to mute it or quiet it does he have like a big cardboard cut out of Queen Elizabeth with crosses on her eyes yes he hates her oh that's a little tasteless I remember they were all thrilled when she died very weird is that Obama standing next to her like in a suit yeah he didn't mention what the Queen was wearing but you mentioned what Obama was wearing I can't see he's in the way well you can tell he's got like crown on you think Bernie would approve of that he's sitting there looking at you judgmentally Julie and I don't ever do the full react upload do you think that he's doing this we're not pausing the video because this way he can say he reacted to the video without actually addressing any points it's funny you say that, that is entirely my theory I think that he wanted to get through this as quickly as possible because this was incredibly stressful and awkward for him to watch he had to choose sides and XQC over steps at one point and Hassan chooses a side well JCS are another great example as well that I mean where I have communicated with JCS I'm sure you are thrilled to steal all of JCS's stuff of course, yeah 100% it's got permission it's like yeah but you don't have to do fuck all because JCS is super irritating and what's JCS up to these days is he's still making videos I'm pretty sure a couple of months ago he put a new one out I didn't know if he was still doing stuff there's a channel that's kind of cropped up around the same time Matt Orchard that has like similar format he uploads a bit more frequently ultimately there is still a lot of grey areas in this but given the fact that yeah fucking conveniently for you you'll jump into those grey areas and swim around as much as you can swim around that's a good way of putting it given the fact that the overwhelming majority of youtubers don't even care about it and keep repeating that they don't care about it whatever you kind of keep saying that there are benefits to it as long as you're giving it your honest go ahead it well no you do have to actually transform it regardless if you're honest if you give it a jolly good college try and you're still not able to squeeze out some actual transformative reactions then you can't just do it and say well I tried it's nice that you tried but it needs to be sufficiently transformative yeah like I'm trying guys here I go trying trying is the first step on the way to actually succeeding it's not that serious of a conversation we're sucking his balls out when he does Mr. Chair react dude you're so dishonest you don't even know what you're talking about last week I chewed him out for an hour to the point where I had to apologize because people were mad at me wait what turn to me now it is my problem but you're like did this fucking dumb cube becker why why he always does that he always just lunges for like where they're from it's so weird it's like that guy Adam something right where he was calling like calling him Hungarian as an ESL as a Hungarian I take a little bit of why are you doing that why are you just laughing like oh yeah you becker it seems to be the case when you're dealing with someone who's like very ideologically left like Hassan you can still be racist towards white people that's just pretty much it in the previous episode we discovered they were friends XUC referred to him as chair reacts and this was Hassan was like oh right that's it we're done bridge burn fuck you wait it's my problem but you're like did this fucking dumb cube becker I don't think I've ever heard somebody call it cube becker I've only ever heard cube becker I think cube becker is the pronunciation that's correct and then cube beck cube beck cube beck like a cube ball like a bald person what is this I think he's in front of his nose is he in front of his nose snake rat say I'm chair react you coughs up a mother fuck you chair guy you're the chair guy you gotta pick one a snake rat a vicious well that's supposed to be the ultimate creature I guess the snake rat his very nature is contradictory yes schnauzer schnauzer I feel like say I'm chair react wait go ahead this feels very performative so I'm wondering did he watch this beforehand and he came up with this insult and he was just waiting for this moment to attack I'll buy the second half this is live so he's not doing this as prepare I don't think he's watching as it's happening he was prepared to deliver this insult clearly he's watching h3 and xc live oh okay nevermind this line of insult he was clearly he was ready to sell as you see down the river basically what he's saying is so angry but his face and voice are not matching the things he's saying it is a bit this is a bit different when he was going on the big rant about the Adam something guy that one seemed angry remember when Ethan on the last evap on this Ethan said something like he's a disgusting thieving like piece of shit and then Hassan's response was he actually sees an interesting guy like the angle of course being he hadn't dropped him yet but I think at this point he was like I'm so ready just give me a reason to drop you I mean excuse to write you off yeah and he did you cocksucking mother fucker oh my god why are you allowed to use cocksucker as an insult I don't understand these lefties I don't either you shouldn't be allowed to say that how can you be upset that we say retard but then you're like you call someone a cocksucker you're the chair guy bitch fucking suck my balls dude the reason why the high road conversation works is because it's inherently a conservative counter argument which is that what suck my balls dude the reason why the high road conversation works is because it's inherently a conservative counter argument which is that everyone's immoral everyone's imperfect so if I've done something bad well you've done something bad at a certain point in your life as well which makes your argument useless because everyone is stupid ultimately so they are conservative so you have to let him say the whole thing because I don't understand any of it myself to give you a slight bit of help he's responding to the high roading the concept of it we'll stop there he's talking about that counter argument which is that everyone's immoral everyone's imperfect so if I've done something bad well you've done something bad at a certain point and if you're just making people stupid ultimately so they are lizard brains go oh yeah you're right this is a bad guy too why is he talking about this it's hypocrisy it's by your logic it is a logical fallacy that is utilized in every debate I do it too you want to know why because it's rhetorically awesome to do click his video after this because the debate's a bullshit wow Admitted to being dishonest as fuck. He's like, yeah, and I do it too. This is sounds good. Can debates are dumb debates are gay It's just Everyone's getting reminds me. Oh, yeah, this is a side of course. It's like, yeah, did you forget? Like the beginning of his beginning of that rant was it's the Republicans that do what about ism and then he ends up saying I also do the water Because it sounds good Reason react content pretty dope shit that he hates it when I see does it yeah He that so I don't know if you guys recognize it or understand it he this ultimately comes down to I don't like the way You're reacting which is why I don't like this argument Which is why I was trying to tell Ethan when we were having that conversation together That like then you're basically policing someone else's reacts, which is not the best argument to make against it That never happened we watched the whole thing he never like tried to Push back that hard on Ethan Ethan was grilling him like crazy, and he would remember he was timid and scared It's just funny to watch him now be like yeah, I was trying to tell Ethan this but you know Ethan's argument is not good because it always Ethan watched the stream and so now Ethan wants to poke at Hassan at this You don't react hard enough because at the end of the day there are no clear-cut guidelines no clear-cut boundaries on appeal to the blue Everyone's in the blue. It's great like what to do. No like standardized best practices and Standardized best practice you can't try to like suss one out for yourself. You can't hold yourself to a standard Yeah, well, I mean, you know, there's no there's no standardized industry standard Which is already a funny sort of statement there for what you know there for what so fuck it just do whatever you want It's the Wild West, baby Will in the eyes of the audience especially I don't think so. I think I circumvented that pretty good. Sorry to interrupt you. I'm not Yeah, it will always evolve into you're not reacting hard enough Obviously, there are It is a fair point it is a fair point to say that you are not reacting in a way Well, ultimately it is you were not transforming this content. Yeah, people say you're not reacting hard enough I mean, you're not transforming this content. We can just be honest. What is the point of streamers going? Oh react hard It's like it's deflection. That's all you're trying to do Yeah, it is deflection, but you hold them to it and you say yeah on ironically react harder. Is that Yeah, I'm happy to use that Yeah, it's basically try harder give a shit. Yep, exactly Present aren't established, but like most people Most people understand are bad However, especially if you're doing like long-form content Especially if you're doing live streamed content without pre-production like you do point please Because you have your own version of that as well as like the members only broadcast there will always be Lulls and and moments of like dead air or even it's your job to try and minimize those as much as possible Yeah, but for you guys and Everyone even the highest end of transformative content. They'll have a time where it's not a hundred billion percent Transformative, don't you know You know, it's like all the same really kind of yeah, I think I mean it would be convenient if that was the case for Certainly be helpful for this Thing up, but that's also live reaction here. I'm talking and I made it clear. I'm talking specifically About his YouTube channel. I wouldn't make this claim. Okay. Well, that that that's something I made clear at the beginning. So I So, okay, so we're talking about his YouTube channel Now I would never claim that about streaming because I agree that streaming is too much of a gray area Yeah, and I don't think it's ever even not gray if you just go principally down. It's easy Yeah, if you hold yourself to a standard, you have a really clear line Intested so there's not really any precedent in that regard So in the context of talking about his YouTube channel, I have to disagree that it's not about react harder There is clearly zones There's like the funny thing is that it is about react harder if there are clearly yeah, but I get what he said Yeah, S tier zones which would be for example, I'll just Pretty much we're s-plus action videos highly I ain't in that stingy s-class Devil may cry smoke and sexy style Brew Right, yeah, and then there's a massive gray zone massive gray zone Yeah, would prop which this podcast would probably even fall in which would be like high high high up in the gray zone I don't think so well regardless I'm just trying to show you what I'm well like if you showed the best reactor and the worst You can clearly tell there's a massive amount of difference and even the most dim-witted moron can Imagine in their head, you know the differences in between there of how much you react and what you say All right, this is really not totally do they all know. Yeah, they all know them acting like oh rector I don't know exactly what that means. Yeah, you do shut the fuck up. You know exactly what that means Performative stupidity Well, and that's Ethan's trying to make it as simple like building blocks Play-Doh level shit He's like really good completely transformative gray zone and then under the gray zone is clearly Where he's trying to get at is where XQC is Right, I mean I saw knows all those like he understands all this. He's just pretending like oh I don't understand what you're saying to be fair What is this on just say for the past like 10 million years? He was trying to explain that there's a gray zone It's a big old gray zone Exactly cut. Why is he wearing a bush Reagan 84 hot? It's funny. I'm funny. Okay, channeling Republican. What about is him? The Because it make well it doesn't matter fair use doesn't it doesn't oh, yeah Yeah, but I'm saying like the way I see it your highly edited sketch videos your sketch react videos are Those are S tier. Yeah, those are S tier this podcast would be like a little bit below it But it still is like We're we're cutting this live, but every single thing that we're looking at we already know what we're going to be looking I mean like it's we can have a discussion about it. Sure It's all debatable and that's the nature of fair use It's all up to a judge and jury to decide based on the merits of this one particular instance And so that's what I mean There's like a massive gray zone and I would include like Myself at the top of that gray zone and then like may potentially even sniper wolf at the bottom of the gray zone. Yeah I've seen now dude. I've seen Ethan I wouldn't allow her in the gray zone. He knows the gray zone and also she's not the gray zone She's in the no the red zone on the bottom in the danger zone. Yeah, the danger zone Oh So hold on let's say the the black zone the very bottom, right? Whoa, there's zone within the black What color do you want to use Sitch? Well, it's the danger zone. We just said All right, all right, so anyway, yeah, and black means like if you're in the black you're on top, right? Here black and you associate negativity with it doesn't mean that you need to you know Okay, so I'm talking to the danger zone then yeah There's there's there's three tiers in there, okay So you have sniper wolf at the top who is just blatant But is still present and then reacting and then you have at the very bottom You have chair reacts where the person just walks away and that's the chair react to it, right? Mm-hmm, but there's this middle is there's a zone in the middle I don't guys I don't know if you guys have seen this but if you're like you ever see your parents You go home to visit your parents and they're scrolling on Facebook or something and they watch a video and the video is Like Steve Harvey reacts Have you ever seen these well? It's just a video and it's Steve Harvey in the corner laughing and going oh my god I can't believe he did that that's crazy However, you watch enough of these and you realize that Steve Harvey Harvey recorded like 25 reactions And they just play them over the exact same clips Oh, no over and over and over so you see you see the same Steve Harvey reaction Reacting to a completely different video and it's like wow you've just turned this into a into a fucking mill Haven't you you get Steve Harvey for one day to shoot a bunch of reactions to nothing And then you just put it all together and just use it for a year That's pretty wise words of Steve Harvey if we evolved from monkeys why are there still monkeys? Yeah, he can't explain that the tides go in yeah, I'd go to Bella Riley The best part was the fact that it cut to like, you know the wide shot and him getting up in silence I Can understand getting upset while like at the workplace. I don't understand why you don't think we know where tides come The reason why he got angry was because the thing on the teleprompter was vague, right? It wasn't like a clear You know set of lions for him to say Mm-hmm probably didn't say fuck it will do it live though No, I did it didn't say that but I think I think all it said was like something like something to do with sting It said sting will play him out and he didn't understand Ray zone. Yeah, there's like unacceptable dog shit straight up content theft Yeah, just like where XQC is directly uploads of someone else's YouTube video would be at the bottom, right? Like no, it's not even like I had the gray zone. It's in the black. So yeah, that's what black. Wow. He did it, too So it would be The the unacceptable barrier would be like at the top of that barrier you have like someone who's a streamer who like Uploads a straight vaude rip and they're not even fully there. They're like barely reacting to it They're just like kind of letting the video play as a substitute For their chatter be entertained with no, I don't disagree with you on that the only the only element of the outside of the gray zone conversation that we could be having is that There even in that even in that situation, there is not enough data You had you pulled up? Vince's video or Vince's statement on it, but there's still not enough data on Yeah, this is like man, I'm gonna need you to do a little bit of planning with your words Whether or not that levels of just No, this is a movie Bob because at least no movie Bob is definitely different movie Bob is like reading It's incredible. Yeah, it's it's just dense with this just rambling. This is me That is Valuable or not, especially if like certain what do you mean? Is it displacing in the algorithm? Is it good for a mid-sized channel really matter? Well, the reason I but it doesn't really matter the reason why it the reason why this is always not like a You can't fucking do this you piece of shit stop it and then everyone changes their Attitude towards it immediately the reason why this keeps resurfacing over and over again is because there's inconsistency Not enough data on whether or not it is appropriate How his tune is completely different to his own stream When he's because he knows the Ethan's right that'd be like he's just staring at him way into pounce on him It's such different energy It matters because for the most part creators don't Either out of fear either either fear that they don't want to get into trouble with the large content creator Or because they genuinely see value in it. We don't have the stats, but most people Do anything about it. Well as XQC Clearly exemplified by now attacking Vince on Twitter. I don't know if you saw this Can you pull that up? I fucking hate that. That was that was definitely fucked up He's not doing well, I don't think at this moment. Well, I don't want to pull that up I figured to help demonstrate what you were talking about Ethan. I do an XQC style paint Thing for you. So here's the Ethan is also podcast just about the top of the gray zone And sniper wolf is the bottom of the gray zone next you see is outside the bottom of the gray zone What do you think of that image? I probably should not be in the gray zone. No fucking way. Nope. Do you think she's above or below XQC though? I think I might need to see more of sniper wolf, but I I think she's below That's tough to say probably about as tough as Yeah, so her time reacting compared to time stolen is is way better ratio than XQC's Out of the gray zone This is actually really good the thing about her that's possibly more damaging than XQC is that she directly just rips the Yeah, the tiktoks, right? So they just dwindle on tiktok forever not not getting anything and she's you know Someone does something funny or creative they put it up and she's like, thank you. That's mine And it's as simple as that meanwhile XQC a lot of the videos. He's taking a very very very popular anyway, like Lemino isn't gonna be destroyed by XQC uploading his react Actually, I've got a question now that I'm thinking about this because you have some tiktok accounts Where the tiktok accounts are they actually put together like produced content like little 30-second or like two-minute skits or something Right, then you have some tiktok accounts where it's just people talking about an idea or sharing their day or something, right? I do a tiktok react series But I only choose people who like people who just talk about their day so that they're fucking insane I don't I I do not choose people who Make like very produced Comedic content or if I do I've done it a couple times where they kind of sneaked in I've definitely linked back All right, do you think it's different between those two different types of tiktok content? Like some of like like a like a vlog kind of person who's just like yo my day was shit because capitalism Yeah, something like that where they're like, yeah, let me tell you why And I just want to that a meaningful difference between taking something that is essentially off the cuff and took zero effort to make Like Probably to some degree Well, yeah, I mean as long as you're you know reacting to it and transforming it you're you know, you're okie-dokie But I guess it would be worse to take something that was you know, really, you know Difficult to make and took a whole bunch of time Instead of something that could just be like pumped out Ad nauseam if you had 30 seconds of a song just simply trying to say react content is fully ethical You spend 30 seconds saying that and then at the end you just go it's not you fucking moron That'll be funny and probably transformative if it was 30 seconds of a flash gets animation and at the end you go Then I'd be like you just stole that Yep, fair enough and to be fair I have done that second thing a couple times and I feel bad about it I won't do it again bad Yeah Here is also Ethan but in the gray zone. Yeah, yeah, and then here's just a sniper wolf down here That's just mean and then this is like dog This is like you're stealing content and it doesn't matter if it's good for people because he's literally Literally as leafy to he's okay. Can this kid literally ruined literally. I mean, how do you do that literally? Literally he's re-uploading videos. How many soundbites? Yeah, period like straight up Button that has him saying literally But I wouldn't be surprised if he mentioned it more digital, right? I guess a search bar thing and then they can hit whatever they want it with very little feedback. No, no, no That's not even applicable like the bit ex-Qc. Oh, yeah uploads videos of him Adding zero runtime or like two seconds runtime and all he says is that's crazy chat That is a re-upload you do you do realize that okay that conversation still turns into like I Agree with you, but even he's trying so hard to maintain his Stance of defending the ship, but he knows he can't do it in front of Ethan Oh, I agree with you that conversation is still like I don't like the way you're reacting and that can be expanded No, it doesn't This is crazy chat is not it's not additive. It's not critical. It literally doesn't transform. You're sitting there Re-uploaded a video. It's not there. You cannot debate that. I'll give you that's my problem with I felt like you were running D For ex-Qc a little bit when I watched you know cuz you're like no So the truth is he's not running defense for ex-Qc's running defense for himself This whole react harder thing is kind of like like you can't criticize anybody's I'll give you another example technically Technically we should give a first but um well at the end of the day all of this is Entirely dependent on the IP holder and what they want to do with their IP if they don't that's my point of why it doesn't matter Yeah, that's why it's like that's why there's always gonna be back and forth, but if the IP holder is like I don't give a shit. I love that I see But there are of course going to be examples of people that say no actually I don't like that and I had no Way of like even communicating that to ex-Qc because I was terrified that his fans would eat my ass The balls right out suck those balls out Which is valid. I think that is what's happening currently with Vince so I'm What I was trying to say is if we're looking at fair use like completely the reality is That unless you are directly engaging in commentary on the video that you are currently watching The video that you're currently watching you can't even use it as a narrative tool in most circumstances I know this from my days working at the young Turks And I know this from what I technically do in violation of like the actual fair use laws We've been when I'm uploading my YouTube videos, right when I upload my regular YouTube videos of a news When I'm providing news analysis Unless I am directly engaging in media criticism if I'm using a news clip as a narrative piece That is still something that I'm technically supposed to license that's a change From what he said last time isn't it I thought he was under the the case of like all of news is fine because it's yeah We need it for the public sort of thing like I'm not going crazy right like that was something that he said last time Wasn't it I could have sworn that I can't remember But that does sound like something like I associate him with having that opinion and I wonder where it's from There is an exception for journalism and fair use as well There's a clause for journalists and news stuff you still can't use someone else's footage to like For example, I don't know exactly what you mean, but I'm gonna disagree with you You are talking to Hassan Okay, yeah, I can't let's say instead of me Introing my my video like Rudy Giuliani wanted to see some titties today and we're gonna take a look at that and then go directly into like I don't know the news article that I'm reading through instead of doing that if I played an ABC news broadcast That's like Rudy Giuliani was found You know court documents revealed that Rudy Giuliani was really interested in seeing some tits if I put that clip in there And I don't actually immediately commentate on that clip or criticize that clip. That's technically a violation of fair use You especially if you don't license it, but so I get again it depends on the whole the whole Context of the clip, but okay. Let's say it is so what? the reason why I'm saying that is because There is a lot more He's finding his point give him a sec He's just like okay, I grant all that so what That could be Utilized there is a lot more IP That that could be acted on in a legal sense hold on You don't really have like a perspective that's fully informed on it. Yeah How dare you make him think about you could have you can abstain from a conversation If you're not ready for it, you're fine Even a professional opinion haver doesn't have to have an opinion on everything on everything They do their professional opinion ever though You would think that in this case he would have a really robust opinion on it considering that react content comprises not a small amount of What he does right? Not acted on your shit the focus is changing You're saying the IP laws to To onerous and I agree with that. Yeah, I'm not talking about the law necessarily. I'm talking about This notion that certain stuff that people do is just outright Unacceptable and not up for debate, which I think that you seem to disagree with It's the easiest fucking agreement ever but Awkward because the song is broken this rule so many times with like react harder this whole react harder meme The reason why I brought up the other side of it and how IP law if Enforced to its maximum degree would be really messed up and would Legitimately stop any kind of video from you know what it probably would be really messed up And it's not gonna be helped by you guys stealing everything. Yeah Yeah, I'm being created unless you are going into a process and like, you know even getting here I'll use this because it's not gonna you can see it. The other one is green cloud amplifier It technically be legally enforceable cloud amplifier could come and say we didn't give you rights to use this in your broadcast and like That is anything anyone for I agree. That is that is something that I'm terrified of it's a case-by-case basis You can sue anyone for anything. You don't terrify it at all Would you have like pulled it out and serve like bold? Yeah? Yeah, would you? Would you stream everybody's fucking? No, just no. This is like a what is the word for this when you're like Pretending to be scared of something to make it seem like it's a reason for why you make the shitty arguments you're making There's probably a word for this Which is precisely why the conversation bold and always goes back to are you reacting hard? I don't like the way you're reacting and then it's Entirely in the hands of the IP holder who can say I don't like the way you reacted. I'm gonna DMCA you and therefore Okay, let me ask you this We all agree if you upload let's just we're gonna talk about Vince's video. I Reupload it to my channel wholesale unacceptable Let's write yeah, you believe you have to fucking clarify with a song Can I just The same video re-uploaded except there's just a square of me sitting like this Just blankly the whole time is that acceptable? It's dependent on what no This is acceptable or not that means it's not because you don't need permission to transform content Yes, but so you think that it's not straight up Indefensible to sit in a box and stare at the camera while the video plays I Think that it is my personal opinion on it is that Actually one Content into indefensible do that however given that it's entirely up to the IP holder Themselves to either make a claim DMCA the channel. Do you say you can say about anything? I mean, I know but but the reason that takes the react harder thing I want to talk about that so the reason why I'm stating that the reason why I'm mentioning this is the reason why I Hate the way you talk Yeah You got Yeah, it almost helps that it's harder to understand them at focus it makes you focus on like paying attention It's like it's like listening. It's the it's the manual transmission version of listening Like you have to pay attention so it's safer on the road or something So so like if you guys think that I hedge my fucking bets this guy All right, so it's like he so if you ever ask him a hard question He'll always say well, I personally think yeah, because that's just a way of him It's a way that he can describe what he thinks but just say oh well I don't want this to be like applied society wide to everyone even though he Yeah, I'm not saying anyone should and I'm not saying the law should reflect it, but I Personally Yeah, well, that seems like you're just a bit allergic to making moral prescriptions then a lot of people are still going to be Confused at the end of this conversation because no matter what happens. We're not going to End up with clear-cut boundaries like well-defined boundaries I fucking hate how much he presses the appeal to the goo button the gray goo of knowing the mists the the blue Jumping right in there every single time whatever he can that are even enforceable not legally But like enforceable from a terms of service or in The terms of service because it's not a policy thing. Yeah But I disagree Because I feel like it's pretty obvious when it's not when it's clear-cut wrong Like if you were to sit in a box, yeah, which is essentially what XQC does he adds it is it's so funny That is the normal thing to think and to say and to know Just stealing someone's shit. It's so bizarre. We're at this point We have to keep talking about how whether or not it's okay Stuff like what what? crazy What so thinking of what what crazy I have a fresh delivery of a meme I Have a I have a beowyn meme of the stream the streaming You've got it Look at you Giraffe Critters where I'm like you can't it's probably not often that you draw a giraffe So whenever you're like, okay, I'm gonna draw giraffe. You gotta be like, okay I got like playing this out, you know cats and dogs. I probably draw those a lot You know some mice and rats and snakes are pretty much pretty fucking easy But like a giraffe is oh, I don't do one of these so I like but yeah, this looks really good Like the pattern on the giraffe. I wonder how it's really great. Yeah, that's a really good giraffe Drafts are very yeah, that's very good giraffe. Look at me. I really like this meme This is a very good meme. Let's smile my face. Well, it makes me happy. It is nice and wholesome Thank you, babe. Whenever when I look at this meme and I see all the images of you up top I think it's like I get like rotoscope vibes No, I I just kind of do like someone like they they they you know took a Picture and drew over it and stuff like photos and stuff of people and they drew over it like oh look at him I don't know why There you go. That is that's not different than sitting in a box and staring. I Don't disagree with you on that. I do I do think that from a like content standpoint I think that it is unacceptable to do that From a content standpoint, what does that mean? Know what I mean stand point we can say moral content Well, so yeah, that kind of sounds like it means he's just talking about The the raw data of making content. So like whether that be a subs or views or revenue You know money how much money you make off of it from a content standpoint It seems like he's referring to just the the material reality of what you get out of making content No, I think he means like in terms of the goodness of the content or the quality of the content you provide for your audience Yeah, I think it's not good Shinned sniper wolf you said that it's in the bottom of the gray area Which means that there is like at least some level of debatability that means that there's some level of acceptability She talks through it, right? Yeah more importantly than that. I think it's like pre-clips pre But like pre-selected Difference the the it's like a bad faith versus good day faith and like I think that sniper wolf is I Have to look at it. Frankly. I'd have to look at it really close. He's right. Good choice About to be worried there Yeah Many people would agree with you on that like people well, I like Jack's films would say it's completely unacceptable That's it's in the gray zone Yeah, I know that Hassan's like they're co-hosts are friends, but he's such a weasly piece of shit Grab his weasly little neck and be like you answer fucking question. Okay. I'm asked very specific thing And you keep saying but what about all these exceptions? I don't care about the exception It's really annoying is the most of us to be with the straggling and The while he's being straggling like I just don't have a strong position What I'm simply stating is Depending on the IP holder and depending on how the crowd is receiving it I almost want to ban him from referencing the IP holder like yeah Clearly people want to even watch Excuse me be in the fucking corner and go it doesn't matter if they want to watch it, bro Doesn't transform fucking argument people want people want a lot of shit Yeah, I know but they find it transformative enough if it's Transformative they find it So that means as long as someone thinks it's transformable enough You know what I mean enough With the argument that Ethan made it was just re-uploading it's like well I find it's transformative that is on this channel rather than the original channel Extra dash in the title so that's great I think Abba actually brought this up in the the back and forth with like when we take a film into maybe a crowd of like a Hundred people and show it on a big projector. We've transformed it now because all of those people are there Yeah, I mean yeah, exactly the watching it in a cinema is a different experience from watching it at home There for something I've transformed it now. Oh no. No. I mean It's just what's just like if you took a film and then you did a color correction on every single frame of the film You can be like well every single frame of the film is fundamentally different from the frames as they were in the original film You can present a difference that doesn't like it's if that difference is sufficient enough to transform the experience Yeah, he's strictly appealing to transforming the experience So to the point where if I'm depressed or if I'm sick or if I'm particularly tired that I'm watching it I'm like this is different from last time. I've transformed it now. It's mine. I got it You watch it when you're a teenager you watch it when you're an adult you watch it later in your life as an adult You've got a different perspective every single time therefore what you know Transform Uploaded every single time and get all those clicks every time You can literally just be like listen death of the author every individual person interprets this a little bit differently They're transforming it in their mind. Okay, so I had the rights to this every different experience of watching it Yeah, I just hate that Just him appealing that the audience feel it's transformative like what bullshit is that? Yeah, yeah, well, I think like What he what maybe it's let's call them Maybe the moral intuitions he's drawing on here is like if you if you say you're in a kid We're going back to the 90s and you're gonna have your your VHS copy of a movie that you liked you take that movie over to your friend's house and you watch it with like five other friends and The fact that you like you bought the the VHS tape so you can watch the movie But you can also go show it to people who don't own the VHS tape, right? So you could show it to your friends at your friend's house You could probably like bring it to a bar and put it on a bar. I mean well, I can do that But maybe not that there's so there's obviously a line here, right? Like if you brought it to your local library and displayed it at the library for anybody to walk in and watch Or like if you At some point as you scale it up and you add more people who are watching it and you also change the method by which you Transmit it it becomes a different type of thing than just watching it So there's different levels of responsibility there, right? So yeah, it's a different experience watching the movie alone versus watching it with your friends at your friend's house But that doesn't matter if you're broadcasting it versus just viewing it Yeah, and this happens a lot of you do like you have to get licenses and shit for a Projecting shit and balls and stuff, right? So So I think because twitch streamers just do this out of their house usually they probably feel like they're just watching it when they're actually broadcasting it Well, they're wrong. Yeah Yeah, there is this like I'm not really working. I'm not really a business I'm not really, you know beholden to legalities. I'm just in my room and people are just kind of chucking me money And it's not even really a job. It's all good, you know, we're all having a good time Yeah, I also wouldn't allow them to fall into that force ignorance cave because I'll be like, you know full well What you're fucking doing you have tens of thousands watching you. Yeah, right? I think like that attitude is reinforced at least culturally every time somebody says that making videos or streaming isn't a real job Like some boomer says that right like a real job or something I think it's more just that they know what they're doing and they don't care like I'm not even gonna give them Charability Totally admitted to this that they don't give a shit The idea that none of these guys recognize that their broadcasts into like tens of thousands of people is laughable But there's like, yeah, I'm just chilling in my house. It's like come on You know what you're doing is like I think it's not that they don't think that like oh I'm just in my house. So it kind of changes the mental state I think it's just that whenever you do anything online like you download a movie or steal a song It just doesn't have like the same psychological impact as if you were in a store and you grab something and sit off a shelf And so it's just like oh, okay. This is acceptable I guess on in the same sort of lizard brain way when people see those Images of the search results and then a react to search results right next to it People get very fucking angry very quickly, right because they know I will intuitively understand. Yeah All right Someone in chat said I don't know if it's true, but someone in chat said DSP apparently got $100,000 in WWE gotcha written off as a business expense There's no precedent saying yes, you did a job. Is that true? Yeah, cuz he did it on stream. Yeah Wow, what happened down? Yeah So he got gambling losses written off as a business expense for tax. Oh my god Yep. Yep. So basically the logic, but damn It is leaked there as legal precedent that when a streamer buys a game to play on stream They can write that off as a business expense and attack and like taxes and all that if I gambling losses Well, the thing is that he was he was playing a gotcha game. Oh Okay, so he spent like a hundred thousand dollars for shit Yeah Substitute if it's a substitute for the original video itself wait, did you have someone else to I did but I forgot it You said lizard brain, right? Yeah, you said no you said lizard brain. Oh I think I think I said something like lizard brain, but Mueller said the words lizard brain That's actually a really good way to look at it because I mean I called it moral intuition earlier It's just it's just like these people obviously know what they're doing because they've probably all incorporated They probably have like a payroll they probably have, you know all the things that you need to be a small business But I think in the moment they're like their knee-jerk reaction is I'm not actually doing anything wrong because I'm just here in my bedroom Hey, man, they just have to get a handle on that because it's not true Even though it is even though it's like kind of reasonable to think that way because we can all put ourselves in that headspace It's still not the truth. So you gotta it's basically the only real action The only real reaction is like, okay, I get it, but you have to grow up, you know You found a way you found a pathway an easy pathway to easy money Yeah, you want to hold on to it and that that's you know, that's it You just want to be able to keep stealing shit Minimal effort for your millions doesn't transform even want to bother with crediting the People who made and you're stealing don't put any links down there. Don't show their Their username on those tiktoks or whatever the fuck you're watching classic As as Jay promotes his own work Like oh no quickly. Oh, I'm so busy eating. Oh, it's promoting I'm not busy. I can eat my nuggets in 30 seconds later. Um Yeah, it's it's lame. It's really lame. I really like that jacksfilm is doing this old sniper wolf bingo now Yeah, it's funny And just tries to get all the creators that are on screen and credits them and everything. I think it's great It's a really fun watch by the way. I've been The thing I find most fascinating about it is that his his next attempt at making a difference because he's pretty jaded after the Like decade of this not going away and only getting worse He's like, yeah, he's just made a whole channel dedicated to making fun of her now And to be fair he rewards when there's good stuff. That's the idea Yeah, but they find it transformative enough if it's a substitute if it's a substitute for the original video itself When xg's face is associated with it, then there's enough people like his argument. I think is Yeah, so you see that he was making a really bad argument that he shifted it over to this is what actually he would say Yeah, this is his argument. Yeah, so so if it's wrong and stupid and dumb and retarded it's his dummy He said I'm just I'm just over here sitting with my with my hat. I'm just a humble messenger I'm gonna try to do my best to argue from his perspective Even though I don't agree with re-uploading his videos like in the way that he re What's your perspective Hassan? Let's hear from you. So, um, we had a whole With xgc. Fuck that. Let's tell me what you think xgc did We I said it did happen We didn't show it on the previous react episode where he does go looking for bad reactions from Hassan that are uploaded to youtube And there are plenty Ones that you know are transformative, but they scare in the line sort of thing They probably ones that Ethan would take issue with Re-uploads them for sure or re-uploading a video that's a straight vod rip where the only feedback you have is come on chat That's crazy. Like the clip that you put together. I think that's silly um, however I think his argument is I don't care if these videos are out there If they monetize it if if someone else of a smaller content creator has an mcn and they can monetize it Then they should monetize my video So they have to find out They have to have an mcn They have to set it up and they have to have the balls to do all of that at the risk of whatever happens next All because you want to make money off them Again, I steal the shit you tell me if i'm when i'm wrong and then i'll give it back to you Maybe It's not the the only because i'm you to catch millions of Yeah Or I have a bad day when you do it and it's like fuck you. I was transformative. Uh, sue me I'm gonna fuck you up because I have millions of dollars That's great. That's number one I'm actually surprising that the guy who advocates and excuses shoplifting is making this position, right? Number two if they don't want it and they want to dmca it I'm perfectly, uh happy to dmca it as well because i'm not using youtube as a way to To make additional money generate additional revenue I'm using it as a way for people to watch these vods that i'm trying to benefit from it But i'm so rich the pennies that come from the adsense on those uploads aren't important to me So they can have those pennies. I want the engagement They normally would not be able to take keep it on twitch Don't upload it to youtube. It doesn't matter that they have remedies. It's not their responsibility to chase him down to fucking remedy his theft I don't know. I don't I don't disagree even though it's against everything I just said, but I don't disagree The formula here is the son says a bunch of stupid shit for ages and then ethan says like one sentence That sounds like Squirrels away a little weasley little liar Really Having this conversation. It's running defense for xqc a little bit. It is because it It um, you know it creates It creates a sense of like, uh, like there's some conversation to be had about it and I just don't think there is I Oh my god, I agree so much There's no fucking conversation to be had with these reactions quote-a-quote really don't not in his case Yeah, you know, I mean you go all the way back to uh jacks. What was his name jinx? Jinx I don't know anything about jinx was a guy who was uploading videos exactly like xqc does It was like how long was that like six years ago Everybody agreed that somehow what this guy was doing was mega fucked up and he got like bullied off the internet This is why everyone's so fucking confused who was alive and around back then It's like why is this hard now? It was easy then What happened? Yeah, we just did it. Yeah, we just said it was bad I don't know why they stopped they had to stop. That's it. Give us the truth bomb stitch. What is it? Because these damn zoomers damn zoomers These zoomers don't care about anything. They got no principles. Doobers don't have hair I like us millennials. Okay us old men Wow, now all of a sudden it's feeling it's good XQc's doing it and all these twitch streamers are doing it and it's like, oh, we like them. They're cool Now we're gonna upload when he said all these twitch streamers are doing it. I wish the camera had just shown a shot It's even worse frankly than what he used to upload and that's also true. Yeah jinx used to actually do things The whole time he didn't get on Yeah, sometimes you would say like, haha, that's real funny and it wouldn't be credit. You have to make nuggies So, yeah, you know, and he would credit that's true now that the cool guy is doing it Uh, uh, let's have a conversation about if this fair use or not. I mean, it's fucking absurd in my opinion It's absurd. It's just wrong period black done, okay, so It's not fair use and the reason why it's it's not fair use. I don't think that it would be It it would be deliberated on in a way that is like good for xcc if that actually came down to it if by some insanity that XQc's youtube channel was dmca Broken grammar. I was about to say did you did you track that sentence? It was fucked. It's really tough I have to try I have to pay attention I think what he was saying was that if ever a crazy situation happened where XQc's channel got brought into like a courtroom to decide whether or not his reactions were fair use he would of course lose But he somehow like just listen to the way he constructs this sentence. It's fucking horrifying It's not fair use and the reason why it's it's not fair use. I don't think that it would uh be It it would be deliberated on in a way that is like good for xcc if that actually came down to it if by some insanity That uh XQc's youtube channel was dmca Following that is like a fucking mystery book like Uh for one of those you'll get lost yep His vods. Yeah, and then he countered it and it actually went to a court of law. He's getting fucking eviscerated, right? Right, which is why he understands Can you can you tell that he's getting more and more annoyed because he's like, yeah Makes this big point morally This is fucked easy and then you fucking has sod takes 10 years to say legally If he was dragged into a court really like what do you I don't give a fuck Is that which is why he doesn't want to you know, he doesn't care. Um, however That is precisely what i'm trying to say is that He's so what like you see the clips of his son, right? You've seen the clips where like his editor He has one sentence and there's like 10 edits The editor cuts out all the ums and the pauses and all this That's very common. I've noticed a lot of youtube youtubers. They they say a sentence or two sentences and there's Three four five cuts and i'm like motherfucker. Can you not say a sentence? A son is the worst that i've seen like yeah, no, yeah, definitely Did did you guys keep up with the um super mega drama? It's very sorted. You don't gotta go into it really but basically some some sort of sexual assault allegations, right? But the the video that comes out is of the girl who was making the allegations By the way, it turns out that they were They were like 99 false allegations because that's how these things go on the internet nowadays in the age of me too, right? So her editor who you're saying is they were kind of true They're like one percent true. Yes They're in the black So her editor who cut together this this vlog that she intended to go viral to take down super mega um It's everything is cut every single pause every single um every thing like it's and it's it's Oh my god a sentence has five different cuts in it. However, when it's time for her to like Cry for the camera Not a single cut Everything is just perfect It all plays and it's like okay You can you can clearly see something something's being done here Sneaky Did you catch the like dragon breath from Ethan as Hasan is talking in the background because you can tell it's the kind of breath is like That sort of thing He's getting fucking eviscerated, right? Right, which is why he understands that which is why he doesn't want to you know He doesn't care. Um, however That is precisely what i'm trying to say That was a weird one. It's just it comes across as like uh, what's what are you? Where's this going now? It's like is that fair use is actually Here, let me just so you see how it's probably coming out of his nose You know, yeah, well, no, it's not just that It's also that he's put himself close to the mic. It doesn't give a fuck because he's annoyed Yeah, because because the way the way the mic's angled and the way the nose is like He's like he's nose breathing down into the mic Also, what is Hasan like popping here? He's like getting a new gum every two minutes or something I don't as it looks like anything to delay the inevitable of having to make a point Hahaha Far more expansive like you have been able to create you've actually done something crazy and have been able to create some precedent But beyond that precedent Fair use in the way that we still analyze it in the way that we still uh utilize it Even in ways that the content watchers don't understand But take for granted It's still outside of the boundaries of fair use It's not even a discussion about legality. He's just it's all of that was fucking waste of time Yeah, I'm listening to Ethan or if he is listening to Ethan He's just trying to find ways to respond to it without making any actual points Okay, because again, who's to decide? Well, the reason why I mention it from a legality point of view is because You're asking like why are people not getting uh more mad at this or why are people not stopping this? If that's your question, then he's XQC should be ostracized. This should not be a norm that people are like Yeah, this is cool. He's just reuploading people's content whole fucking sale This should not be like something that people can do without catching the whole, you know And that's that's it the ethans advocating for what I imagine we'd all advocate for which is social pressure That's what we really want. We don't really want them to be like banned We don't want to be and dmca. We just want people to be like stop Stop making shit content You steal everything stop it From the whole internet. It's not it's not even about fair use Law, yeah, it's about right and wrong. Okay, ultimately. I think if I'm gonna be as like, um It in order to wrap this up. I think what you're trying to say is that there should be some Well-established boundaries that are not legally enforceable obviously because technically everything that you mentioned in the gray area Is it quite literally a violation potentially of fair use, right? That's what that means That's what the gray area means is that it is potentially great No, yeah, muller muller the gray area means it might potentially be violation if it's in the gray area gaps in between all this way Oh, well, I would do it but for I would do it but I just I actually just don't give a shit right now I don't even want to it ain't worth it It's not we're not talking about like legally enforceable. No fair use. We're talking simply about uh, what level of commentary Uh, like What is the bottom level of commentary of this man streams for a living? He's This is a guys Who is a millionaire one of the most successful people on the planet? It's one of those things right of our entire civilization He is one of those successful people in the history of human civilization Spanning tens of thousands of years actually true. Yeah One of the most listened to people And not just streaming like ex-qc at least has the excuse that he plays video games And he's good at the streams For like his political mind Yes, it's it's the kind of thing where he needs to make like a a point at any one point in his stream Any random point and you pause and then you have like a you know device that asks every single person listening What do you just say? What was the point? And all of them are like, um Oh something about gray this He's talking about gray maybe just no strong opinions where it's stated rake and bush 84 There you go Acceptability and how can we in and what's below that some kind of yeah How can we create some kind of social enforcement of it by ostracizing people for violating it clearly and like you? You do You got to be on a big podcast with some other famous dude Sit on your ass and say nonsense and get paid Does indeed regularly right? That's what you're trying to say Uh, because that's your point of view. There's a black zone. There's a black zone If if that's your point of view if that's your point of view. I agree with you Especially when it is uh in an effort in a way to protect smaller content creators That want to generate revenue content creators. It doesn't fucking matter. You don't get to steal. Oh, so true Don't just steal anything from anybody. Fuck you No, you can chop up from Walgreens because they have a lot of money or whatever Right now where it makes things harder. Let's expand it So In how large or small the creator is Like I agree with oh Jesus Yeah, there's Well, there's just there's you see a lot of people who are coming out like in defense of in defense of you know Shoplifting or looting. There's literally a book called in defense of looting. So There's there's this push from some very radical segments that that Hassan's part of that are very like, okay If you're poor you should be able to just shoplift from walmart or just loot a store because Does some know that like the shrinkage that happens from like shoplifting is Immediately felt by the employees who work At that given shop. Does he know that well, he advocates stealing from santa and the elves the ones that feel it Listen, I mean all all profit is theft. So shut up. Yeah. Yeah I mean like there was there was there was an article recently maybe a month or two ago where walmart said listen We're just closing down all of our stores in portland because they keep fucking looting them when we can't make a profit there So we're just gonna leave and it's like well well now you have nowhere to buy your stuff Where do they think the shrinkage is like absorbed? Who do you think pays the price for that? It's the employees who work at that store. They lose shifts Yeah, the brand walmart is not gonna and then yeah, and then and then it leads to that right Where the store the store may well close in that area and then those people now permanently have lost their jobs Yeah, and if we go by that logic now, we have more people that just start looting shit and then more things go down And oh whoops is the cycle and then we're all fighting They're tearing down capitalism. So it's just santa doesn't visit that town anymore Yeah, you're all bad. Not even cold. No, no cold. I think I think it's Because whenever there's like a video that goes viral of a store getting looted hasana always comments on it You always says the same thing about fuck capitalism. So well, that was the thing you got in trouble in recently, right? Was he was what celebrating that old guy getting what was what was that again? I don't want to he wasn't celebrating He was laughing about the guy. Oh, I can't yeah, I don't I don't want to get it like wrong or confused Get it wrong. He was laughing not celebrating I don't know. I I think it's I think I think it's that attitude that's guiding his his ideas here like if it's okay with Actual property. Why isn't it okay with it's okay with intellect? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if I feel like it's just Solipsism like it's just I like it. It benefits me. Fuck it Like in terms of his stance on this react content, he benefits greatly. It's less work. It's still making money Um, he would love to maintain the status quo as it exists right now Evidently with how hard he's fighting Even on pretty pretty basic normal Positions that you would hold if you start a political podcast with xqc, which holy fuck. Could you imagine? But if he did They they would have doubled tripled and quadrupled down all of this none of these points would ever have been made by him It's because he's sitting across from e-e-eath and that he has to try and find a way to wiggle out of this Yeah, but all he's doing is doing the same points and then even it's like one sentence away of like stop Stop it. It's left over in the hands. This one speaks in a fucking slow motion And he barely said he keeps repeating the law over and over and over and over and over again Especially is in like I agree with you across the board and especially on Uh, defending smaller content creators. So I agree with you on that front If you're talking about social ostracization So what is your point regarding the black zone because that's the part I'm curious about regarding the black zone social ostracization Would still ultimately rely on Um, let's not even talk about consequence just right or wrong Do I think it's wrong to reupload someone else? Everyone knows what just happened he heard the question He was like oh this because he's not even just thinking about what he actually thinks he's thinking about how it will be heard Is like and what it'll mean going forward one of the consequences and what is it going to mean for his content? He's thinking about all these things. And so he's like, okay repeat the question back. That'll give us a few extra seconds Oh So annoying Or own vaude rip that you didn't actually Put a tremendous amount of effort in here. Yeah, I I said that already. We agree on that Onto youtube especially is it because then it So then there's a market substitute. Okay. So then it's all you could ethos lose this shit like he's so What's the yell what's the yell so badly hard to the black zone the react harder meme isn't really applicable Look at this. He's like answer me. You fucking muppet. Just give me give me what you think Just looking at you kermit's watching and he's not happy with your performance Is this i'm gonna repeat the question The criticism is still you're not reacting hard enough Right, but sometimes that's valid criticism There we go Yeah, it is like when you're just sitting there It is of course, so what's wrong with saying you're not reacting hard enough. So what's wrong with saying that in the black zone Well, it's because it's not Inforcible in any meaningful capacity. We're not talking about enforcement. And also that yeah, well, what the What does that have to do with fucking it? That's there on this show. Let's not be but um talking about right and wrong Yeah, think about the dynamic of the conversation. It's like, uh It's bad when they don't react. Yes. Yes. Oh, no. It is enforceable What are you talking about if you were doing that to like Warner brothers or disney or paramount films they would enforce it Well, the enforceability that ethan's already made clear is the social aspect. He says ostracization That's what we want and and at this point ethan's just asking if he finds it ethical Exactly. This is all This just follows from saying do you think it's right or wrong and he can't give a straight answer This is wild The react harder line is a thought terminating cliche that's specifically used to distract away from a valid argument and hassan understands this so he's not going to give this one up Boundary that you're setting is a boundary that you're setting is a boundary that your audience is setting It's it's ultimately not A boundary that is always going to be the same for every single person Just like you mentioned XCC is what an irrelevant piece of information Just doesn't mean anything well liked. So for a very long time. It was not something that they yelled at me for Why is he saying this? What is this? No And not very well like video you have a dog in this fight. So I don't know if you're ever going to be Will have to meet me there Called out I will say that's probably the first example of ethan actually going like step it this This could be considered a step it over a line as a co-host you basically just said you're too biased to answer the fucking question on you Yeah, it is true. Yeah But like if if you are um, you know fucking aware of anything you probably talk to him after the show and be like That was a bit of a dick move if you want to on asan's pop But they need to have a talk about being frank with each other anyway because this conversation success Well, I have two guys in the fight This is we're talking about like in practice application Um in theory, I also Personally Information is not a scarce good Like there is no scarcity in information. You put it out there. What does it have to do with Yeah, what the fuck are you talking about? Um, okay. Hold on here. I'll I'll jump in I'll be I'll be the the retarded political philosophy explainer here. Okay. I know what he meant It it hurt it hurt Hasan whisperer, yeah I guess I guess I am a little bit So, you know, there's idea that like there's an idea that if a good is not scarce It's fine to steal right right? So if there's an infinite amount of of water who cares if you steal somebody's water because you can just go get more water Something something like that, right? So Hasan is saying Listen, you can watch a video an infinite number of times So if you steal a view, it's not a big deal. You just go go go get more views But the issue is that the scarcity is not the the Availability is a video Yes, the viewers. Yeah, the scarcity is there's only so many people on this planet with only so much time to watch anything Exactly. Yes scarcity in terms of the consumption Well to be clear, he's not saying that the views are not scarce. He's saying that like If you take a video the video still exists, so the video itself isn't sure If the view that is worth value that That's we want to talk about that we can just get to the fundamental of if you create something do you have rights Over how it's used and distributed and duplicated. He would tell you capitalism He would tell you IP lore is ridiculous and draconian and needs to be yeah Yeah, sure, but except you wouldn't say that if it was negatively affecting him So would agree that he couldn't like make as much money as he is now. Here's a question. Of course. What about like if I A year after he was born I guess that he's ran out of his own personal IP of his face and you know likeness and voice I just make an AI version and he's more popular than his son Oh Fuck you and I get to make all the money off Your likeness because I just make him go say stupid shit all day He like watches it. He's like people like this. Yeah, they do That is the the basis of IP IP is technically IP on content is technically a concept that That that is is no different than enclosures, but this time in the digital sphere enclosures on what Art It's just ownership What does he wait? What does he mean by enclosures and I don't know what he means by enclosure I'm talking about idealistically Um, I that's my second dog in the fight. I think that uh limiting information Makes it oh you guys real quick enclosure. It's a term used by socialists to refer to uh Common property that's been unclaimed by anybody that then becomes private property by someone's use and they use it negatively So he's basically saying that like so let's say, you know You have unclaimed wild territory then someone shows up and builds a fence and starts a farm and has a homestead They have enclosed that property and when a socialist says enclosure They mean to say it that you should not have done that because you have now stolen property from the commons Is the notion that like all ideas essentially exist already in the universe and that like when you come up with it You haven't created it. You've extracted it from the fabric of reality Yeah, yeah Yeah, like you that that's actually the case Yeah, that's how you use it. Yeah, so like if you if you have an idea And then you and you have ip to protect that idea You're taking the idea away from everyone else who could have also had it But it's your idea That's the dumbest thing I've heard in my life But they don't view it as your idea. They view it as humanity's idea. I mean the idea doesn't exist without the agent to realize it though I think the same as enclosing land Yeah Okay, all right, let's move moving on Harder for new Forms of derivative. Okay, but so wait I just want to I want to thank dev for being here because This little gem none of us knew what the fuck the stupidity was This actual thought but thank you for explaining how dumb Are you against all IP law? Oh, can I just can you just appreciate his expression when he asked that question Look how fucking dead Ethan is asking makes it Uh harder for new Forms of derivative art. Okay, but so are you against all IP law? He looks like he's giving up Browsing porn or something Hassan he must have had this conversation with Hassan before because Ethan understood what he meant to ask this question I think he has had this conversation with him before that's why he's so despondent because I'm pretty sure he's expecting That's on to say copyright law Is we don't actually Very restricted. You need to understand you need more words that go to less places. I've got two dogs In this fight. I got the the principled the the the the the principled, you know idealistic position things And then and and on that front it my personal opinion You know just speaking personally to the fight. I think that you know if we want to talk about That's like out guys two dogs die two dogs. Yeah, um I don't know where the exact boundaries would be as we talked about last week. Yeah, let's not rehash that that would be Not rehash that Yeah, that's the thing Ethan realized like he doesn't want to fucking answer that question. Of course. He does it would be here for 10 years anyway, um Yeah, there's actually a youtuber who's a libertarian uh that Unironically has a very interesting argument about copyright tax Like he believes that change the topic america could implement some sort of copyright tax across the board and then there would be no copyright in general you could still um, you know, you could still go after people in in litigation for Reuploading your confidence entirety. So there's still a but how does copyright tax work? It's not like a licensing like the equivalent of that is it like what is he saying? What's the copyright tax space of protection there? But overall there would be a massive, you know, multi almost trillion dollar fund That by the way, this has nothing to do with anything. This is him trying to create like a Barrier and distance between like what the conversation was and he's like coming up with something to talk about Like jettison him. That is true This is all pun but the idea that he's time out if I think I understand it clearly is fucking moronic He's saying that we should like in a country Everyone should get taxed that goes into a pool and then if you create something and someone infringes upon your Your copyright you get to draw from the pool of tax revenue In a libertarian Sovereign fund based on taxation of copyright. Why don't we just do licensing licensing makes me more sense than that But you mean that thing that already exists. That's exactly what i'm saying. Yes Why should I have to pay for someone else's copyright infringement? I don't what part of this idea is libertarian If you don't make anything in your life that you just pay for everyone else stealing everyone's ideas Breaking bush would not approve of this idea You go that you spend on media that the government would spend Therefore limiting at least one element of of of profit seeking from the field of content creation and copyright And this would actually open up. Oh, was this back on that heavily subsidized government like art thing that he talked about last Oh god, that idea was insane Yeah, you two videos would be subsidized from the by the government I love how much like obviously at the call all of the Attempts to remove the profit motive from artistic works. It's like this thing that everyone believes would be a good thing to make it more pure but just like I I am Completely convinced if you remove the profit motive from creation of artwork It would like plummet in terms of some of the craziest awesome things we get Of course. No, they'll just do it because they love it You will get people who will do it because they love it That is true But you'll also lose out on a shit ton of things because people who aren't anyone near as motivated because they want to make a Living and create art. Well, yeah, they'll be too busy at their job. Yeah Conversation I've advocated for which is the good face. I'm true Is access to copyrighted material without having enough money That's why I talked about like growing up in turkey And why I believe in piracy if you don't have uh, this is nothing to fucking do It didn't have anything to do with it then and it does it now the money or Access to be able to receive this copyrighted Oh, just wait So I just noticed that it's past eight o'clock and I had to be done by eight o'clock Even though we're all close to the tail end. Yeah, we're even the right What if he says another word that we don't know? I know We need to have this video message of me like deb. Can you explain this one deb? What does he mean by bold? Bold enclosures, what are they a bold I'm all Well, it's just a bunch of people running around doing the word while also the hair is falling out Yeah, do you prefer bald or bush? Nice Or Reagan Well, or Reagan there were a few presidents. Yeah, all right, you don't have to answer. That's all right Imagine if you have like a president bald one day like president richard bald has now taken the office richard bald Excuse you would hate dick bald Bush had done that because VP how basically I've been bush-involved for president. Oh man. Yeah All right, well anyway, bye All right Everybody what you do in these days where they can find you guys on I was here last time you guys know what you guys know You could follow my channel it's short fat otaku you could follow my twitter It's it's sleepy divo I'm also on twitch and kick as well, but the youtube is the biggest thing for sure Um, and yeah as always. Thanks for having me Oh, I know I noticed I know the chat was complaining a bit that like I kind of disappeared In like for a half an hour there in like the middle of the of the yeah, so you owe us that time back Put it into the into the copyright fund pay I'll put it into the fund. Yeah. Yeah I I got a call had to deal with more car shit, but I mean hopefully I'm at the end of the nonsense now, but Yeah, thanks. It's all good. Very appreciative. Thanks for joining us. Thank you So actually before I go I have one quick question. How come you're doing this one on wednesday instead of saturday? You guys all busy saturday On saturday and there's our anniversary the following saturday, which you better turn up for otherwise. You're not a true friend Yeah, the 26, right? Yeah, same for you sitch All right, I'll make sure I'm there. I'll be there. Yep. Tell adam to come Sure, you're both going to buy our vinyls, right? Yeah, well, I already bought your vinyls Yeah I got it. So listen, I know that adam said he'd be watching Adam says he'd be watching this entire thing. So I just want to point out since I know that you're listening adam You know how I was able to explain enclosure there in the socialist sense. That's why I read all this dumbfuck literature that you complain about All right. Yo adam get uh come you trying to justify why you read my cup right now Yes Thanks for thanks for having me on I'll become a fascist See you Yeah, I just want to make it clear because I'm not talking about any of that and I don't want it to be confused I'm just talking but anyway, he's talking to the worst person on earth for those goals I'm not talking about any of that and I don't want it to be confused Hella has some notes. She says And I think there's a good point we do we shouldn't even call what xqc does react. It's a watch party I really really appreciate this point. He shouldn't be allowed to call what he does reacting Yes, watch party is a very excellent way to phrase it. I like that Like that It's a watch party. Then you really understand That it's it's actually a really good point. It is and yeah He's touching his neck like xqc said evil people do Shit He did the watch party thing is interesting too because if I think j tweeted about this If the watch party thing was actually a watch party and the all of the view count like the viewing Of those individuals went into the video itself. If you know, do you understand what I mean? Like you've got like a Yeah, a watch together hosts that cycles all of the views from all of the views of the stream into the views of the video Like that would actually start to fix all of this That'd be great. It's a watch party. It's not you're not wrong about that at all. So there you go. You're just Well, he's agreeing. He's saying you're not wrong about that at all to watch party Oh, oh, oh, oh, so then you need to be really bad, right? You're gonna bring up people sus because because this sounds like yeah, it's great, isn't it? Isn't it? It's awesome. Watch party. Yeah, it's good Yeah, well, wait, here's a question So if they had a system where you watched something on youtube or twitch and it would give Automatically however worked it would like share your views with whoever you're watching or give them the views Like what would you guys do because you are actually transforming it and you are critiquing whatever you're watching Like would take the views away from you and give it to them or do you share the views? um so this is the thing I actually suggesting it is a bit of a Pipe dream because I just don't know how would this would be set up properly how it would function perfectly There's so many things that would get in the way of it and you know the the big thing stepping in the way of it Is that there's just not enough passion for this this this topic dies every time it comes up it dies straight away and then they carry out I would want because I it depends how much revenue like youtube loses from twitch Like if they could force twitch to do this Like is it worth the cost to implement the system for youtube sake the thing? Well, that's a problem, isn't it? there's no incentive for companies to get this done because I don't even know that they would see much of a It only helps the individuals Yeah, well, I mean it would help youtube because they get some cut of whatever right in theory Um, yeah, because like if you're on twitch and you're cycling those twitch viewers into the youtube Yeah, I don't we're crossing the platforms. I don't even think they would There's so much I wouldn't make it where you did it Yeah, right unless youtube started suing them or something. It'd be yeah. I mean it'd be such a hassle to do And you know what? You just started realizing just fucking credit the channel just send people to the channel. Yeah, fuck's sake Sharing this video. You're not yeah transforming it. Yeah. I think excuse you would agree with that Technically it is a watch party. I mean excuse you would go as far as saying he makes dog shit bottom of the barrel Goblin crap content that's tears from people, but the everyone enjoys it And it's transformative for the channel as well. Yeah, and he's also saying he's got all the statistics on this side All of the statistics and facts, you know all those facts Yeah, well, he saw so many of them. Yes, the best facts That's nice. There's a watch party. There's a watch party mechanism on on twitch as well as a matter of fact The only issue is given international ip restrictions the watch party Mechanism only works for amazon. Yeah, I couldn't imagine the fucking red tape You'd have to deal with to get all of that stuff in working order for like actual tv shows and stuff studios properties and It basically destroys your vod and it shuts off people that aren't in canada or aren't in the united states of america from actually watching Your stream it like geo locks your stream, which is really shitty. That's that's the black So Like how are we just not doing tv again at this point? Do you mean because a channel A channel has to pay because a channel is like a like a tv channel is like a watch party A network, yeah Yeah, like on a network, but they have to pay Money to buy the rights to a bunch of things to show to people so that advertisers will then Give them money to broadcast all those things so in a sense. It's like compartmentalized watch party and Like that's you know, I mean I mean typical you know tv You know setups and channels those are going you know, they're getting smaller. They're kind of shrinking as the internet You know starts to take over. It's not the same though Because on this watch party, there's like a little guy's head at the corner of the screen. Oh, don't forget all and there's like a chat bar And there's little frogs in the chat bar smiling. Yeah, so it is different. It is transformative I mean that the real part of it that actually can't be understated is the feeling of not being alone So, yeah This is the big change from when you're sitting on your sofa back in the 80s and 90s just if in through tv being like This is now Where you're doing that But you've also got the feeling of a crowd of people all around you with the same values and interests and same disposition And you'll yeah, it's text is scrolling by faster than you can feel like you're a part of something big, right I mean when I was younger Flipping through the channels. I was really like I wish half the screen had a bunch of Pepe's on like covering it up That's what I was missing from my tv experience It's the reality when you go see Oppenheimer and say that you don't want a bunch of fucking Pepe's on the screen That's not what you're looking for I mean You don't want it. Yes. Maybe that's my one wish And look at a look at this XQC box down here, right with the fucking the little light and the skeleton legs on it It's so sad And he's just he makes a gajillion million dollars just sitting there stealing shit. Yeah, and he doesn't even try His watch party should not be re-uploaded Yeah, but he put more work into arranging and purchasing that watch Then he has for like any of his content true Period that's it. Yeah, no react harder. Just not even okay. Anyway, whatever so that's that The watch party, but I do think the watch party distinction is actually very good. Yeah But I do think that's like XQC watching a whole ass movie to move on whatever The point is that I do think that the way you frame the react harder argument isn't a total totally Fair or accurate and does end up running defense for people like XQC who are Re-uploading watch parties to youtube you need to end that with and please don't respond We're just going to talk about something. Yeah, this is please please don't ramble for two minutes Thank you Sure, I'll agree. I risked my case All right, that's just mean Okay, shut up XQC. Oh, yeah, I wanted to show this just to kind of I I think this is the point This is the point where I have to do the worm Do the fucking work right now. I can't I can't that's why I'm I'm at your own he owned you Well, I told this yesterday, but when I was doing my members live They're like dude do the worm I was like hell. No, I'm not getting that that video out on the internet That's true I'm not gonna you're a man with a lot of videos of himself out on the internet that your haters use against you all the time I don't need that one fucking personally upload it. Yeah, there's already me and a diaper I don't need it It's so stupid when they're like they do that to me too or like the andrette fanboys would be like Luckily XQC has provided So we've always got that. Yeah, we always have that worm It was there like remember when Hassan was in a dress. I'm like bro. I put that out there That's like a very viral tick tock that you are clipping to be like I owned you What you think I accidentally dressed like a beautiful woman. Yeah, you know what I mean like what do you think? You think people make mistakes You think you can take something intentional and use it for other means More of makeup idiot. Mm-hmm Yeah, I mean it's the same And I look fucking hot So in this uh conversation with XQC Oh, I thought we were talking says that if anybody wants to come to me and say, hey, you stole my shit I'll take it down. I'll pay them. I'll do whatever it takes. Please. Please. Please. I'm so sorry Yeah, this was fucked up. So as I told him this guy vented Vince vintage Actually shared his message now this morning or last night this this message pissed me the fuck off This is some scumbag level shit Now in Basically, uh contrast to what he said the day before he says this vent Vince vintage guy tagging him He praises real miski for doing the exact same thing I did now Let me go back and say that Vince vintage already in his message explained why he called out xqc And not other react streamers. So already he's pretending to Not know that uh to make him look like dishonest or a hypocrite for doing the exact same thing I did And flips it on me when the tide shift. Shut the fuck up, bitch. You've always been an asshole. There's no time Can I say something about this part? Go ahead. Please. Please. I'm just curious about like if xqc would ever call the friend card on his side He's like, why'd you let your co-host just rip into me constantly without saying a thing to defend me other than I'm interesting He didn't just flip it on him when the tide shifted. I didn't even know this I've responded to his tweet He tweeted about how much he loved my reaction to his video in fucking 2022 Way before the tides that ever shifted Uh, actually as a matter of fact when people were ripping on me for reacts and saying mr. Chair react guy Look xqc did ironically But I mean Why do you think he said that you do that? Like so no this guy has been like Obviously openly openly praising Twitch streamers that have reacted to his videos in a way that he considers to be good and transformative and also beneficial to his channel For a year like for an entire fucking year. Also if somebody What's wrong with that? He can he can praise people that have watched his content that's helped him And criticized people that have watched his content and haven't helped them That's that's a rational logical thing to do. I I mean currently if i'm wrong, but hassan is saying that in in contradiction to what xqc is saying xqc's point Is that hey, he's been pro these streamers and you only flipped on me when it was you know a good time to do it But is he it sounds like he's trying to defend xqc I think he's trying to show on xqc. I just misunderstand what he's what he's saying My impression is hassan is is is jumping in on xqc like saying that he's Wrong because this this guy was pro hassan Because of the style of react and he was anti xqc because of the style of react Is like yeah, I didn't like the way you do that then you shut the fuck up and listen. Yeah, that's it Dude, let me give you a great example of this. There's a youtuber out You guys you know this is this is the big chungest part There who has made a fuck ton of videos about me. Okay, there's a youtuber out there who's made a fuck ton of videos about me Okay They were 100 right When uh, they got mad at me for for uh playing their video and not watching it Which is ironic Who do you think he's talking about? Jay, it's j j. Have you made oh a fuck ton of videos on hassan? No, there was a j as far as i'm aware. There's one mainline video in two streams. That is it Well, he's probably putting all the like your guys videos on everyone else talking about it is all like that's all j's videos That's absolutely fucking nuts and I hate the way he rewrites history like this all the fucking time It was the it was the most reasonable thing that ever happened on the internet ever Jay was like credit the people you watch and remember hassan When someone in his chat said isn't it just like simple just credit the people he was like Oh, yeah, just just fucking credit the child that he banned them Yeah Because I don't think any of the videos that they've made about me Uh since then features this part. I've apologized. I've apologized multiple So in Jay's video, there's an acknowledgement of the apology And it's like there's there's a thanks for it But like there's also a recognition that the problem is that you just need to start crediting That's all just credit couple times and said like i'm changing certain things You're absolutely right about this like I apologized three fucking years ago Now that you say this like jay's making videos right now I know Yeah That person they still make videos all the time. No, they don't let's fucking lie But I am truly I am I was wrong. I I owned up to it. I was fucking wrong Um, even though I hate when people try to draw, uh, you know farm drama as much as they possibly can Office like that. You brought it up. What is what is what is happening? Like It's all just lies and obviously ether does no context. He's just like, yeah, sure, whatever. Um, you have to you Well, wait, this is good jay can make another video now Drama farmer j If you're doing this sort of thing And someone gets mad at you and I hadn't even re-uploaded that by the way to youtube Chair reactor or whatever even though that's where the chair react meme comes from. Yeah, that's still bad I love that he's saying like praise me for not re-uploading onto youtube the reactions where i'm just not even in my chair Yeah, you deserve praise for that hasan good stuff and I stopped doing that You have to you can't on the one hand be like if you dmca me. I have no issue with this Uh, I will pay you 10x and then turn around and fucking shit on the person It'd be like that's a paid actor because you're then paying their point. Here's dude. Yeah Well, yeah, and during the debate he was all of that was bullshit except for those last like two sentences What the fuck was that insane prompted his son to like finally turn somewhat on xqc here Uh, it's it's the getting cold chair react that got to him like crazy. He's referenced it twice in this Uh stream and then of course you saw what happened when you saw it live. He was fucking furious Yeah, but like going into this conversation when he's in from the beginning. He knew that he called them share a son Well, yeah, but um, isn't it easy to like offload onto xqc? They're not actually friends. They only said that about each other because they're obviously higher up on twitch They they are friends by you know circumstance It's all gonna is is hyper transactual. It's like transactional If there's no benefit you're out and the second that either of them even Slightly tossed them under the bus the other one was like i'm tossing you under the bus Fuck you know i'm tossing you under the fuck you It was like Yeah, dude. No, i'll i'll make it up to them. I care so much about them They've created like a Perpetual energy machine by trying to stab each other in the back while the other one moves the other one follows and it just goes on forever Then he goes this guy blatantly lies in a tweet because I didn't respond to his dm 12 hours later Not true was two days later After you literally said in the debate i'll i'll pay him 12 hours because i was flying to vegas bitch. How long's that flight? Flying yet. We had sent an email two days before i talked to vince. You know why he didn't see this email They sent it to some random fucking email for his like manager He didn't even it didn't even go to his box and by the way remember how he said It will say it is really funny that xgc doesn't have any stock in the idea that people like vince or whoever would Have any like trepidation going after a big creator because of what can happen And then he'd like publicly blasts him Thanks, dude 10x here's his editor reaching out. I can compensate you for the full revenue. Oh really bitch. What happened to 10x? Why don't you open with that you fucking scammer? So here he shows i guess him saying miss kiff showing love again Where's the tweet of him saying thanks xqc for reacting to my video Why didn't you show that one because he fucking doesn't like the way you react to his video? Yeah, um He's also sent him a dm and by the way, I know Felix you see those dms because when I type you shit you respond within five seconds Well, you know, he's he's out there flexing on you flexing on his haters He has your whole house on his wrist, okay And then yeah, that worked out the great move. Yeah He goes, I thought I'd stay silent and let the storm pass but no everyone jumped on that bag one It's currently spreading lies. I'm coming for you. Awesome, dude Really cool fucking job here of making good on on the way you still count the scum scumbag, dude Petulant fucking child The son defend your friends go Incapable of taking I think if any criticism I think uh, the way xqc presented himself if he If he actually was like, oh, yeah, I'll make amends and uh, you know Responded to vince's dm and was like here. Give me your paypal uh, and then and then replied with uh a Way to make amends. Oh the fuck does it take you this long to say give me a paypal and I'll compensate you Was happening to you Are you having a stroke? Like what's going on? I think that this is like I'm having a stroke It shouldn't be a little bit different considering that That would mean that he is actually fulfilling what he told you on the stream I mean listen, I think is what you're I mean, I think that's the right thing to do. Yeah I'd be if I was xqc after that conversation. I'd be pretty motivated to pay that guy immediately Ethan is 110 billion percent correct. It's it's not only an ethical thing to do, but good god It looks good If you just said give me a paypal and you paid him like a thousand dollars You said hopefully that covers it, you know, and fucking you could go even further like 10 000 and just be like I You know, surely that's covered it if you feel like you deserve more then let me know we can sort it out That would go a hell of a lot of a way instead of publicly blasting about your twitter account Well After all of this it's like good job and then going to vegas and lose a million Which is another factor on top. It's kind of why not hilarious And not wait two days and then why instead has only been 12 hours. So just scumbag, dude I hate that guy. Do you want to know why I I have a dog to vegas is three hours You want to know why I have a dog in this fight? Like It's because I do worry that If more rigorous dmca protocols are implemented on twitch in a similar automated fashion to youtube The live streaming on that website would be rendered useless because That's one part of the reason why youtube live streaming is so difficult I just can't fucking believe he's actually like fear mongering about dmca is being used more and more when he's the one Along with the rest of the chuckle fucks that are stealing everyone's fucking ip's To accomplish And you know this better than anybody else Um, lots of people do it. I do it Yeah, I know but it's not the same as live streaming on twitch Yeah, if it's my effort, which is Which is dominant in the live streaming uh spear if it happens It will be because of people like xqc true It's not the fault of the people with dmca at that point. It's the ones that have been wrong. Well, the wrong doers Who just sit there and watch full episodes of hunter hunter. Yeah, maybe we should socially ostracize them That could be a good idea. Yes, that'd be great. Yeah, don't give podcasts Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you're right about that. Yes the dark night. There you go. Hasan. He said he's right now We can move on right again. Yeah, if it happens is a result of that of the what is actually happening there React channels they've taken over. Oh god. So this is this is a little addendum. I think I find funny This is this channel is called man carrying thing And uh, he made a video about react channels. This is gonna be his his opinion on the matter. Okay All right YouTube for quite a while recently there's been some controversy revolving streamers and reacting to youtube content Basically youtubers who are uploading original content are getting them reacted to by stream and the react I don't know if he's this is his normal editing or if he's trying to evoke the time like original youtube because this So many cuts. Yeah, this kind of job cutting words. Yeah feels classic. I hope it's It's very in quality now I personally have had some of my videos reacted to by streamers and I have no issue with it If anyone wants to react to my videos, they're welcome to it But I also understand why some youtubers don't like that. It's a very complex issue I do want to look at the subject from all angles And you know, I think xqc has a very interesting video added insight to the conversation And hopefully I can you know critique and we can analyze some of what's going on here And hopefully learn more about the the subject so so this is gonna be pretty cool I'm gonna get his in-depth take analysis Based on what xqc has to add to the conversation first So I'm gonna break it down for us. It's gonna give us some transformative content based on Words break down Let's take a look I gotta grab something. I'll be right back. Yeah I still don't understand this and I have like 100k likes again People have been done about this again People are forgetting in the nature People want to set the computer open the one link, okay? Have been on second monitor and play games and whatever. Okay? That's what streams are about streams are shit content Oh Bearing to his own job of Streams are shit content. Oh, well, I think ours are pretty great. I like ours. Yeah stream In their entirety our shit content only only about to one percent of them By Jenga Good enough. Okay, or it's gonna be it's gonna be main main monitor content Nobody wants to fucking switch channels 80 times. They got you on a tv. Okay. So there that's my that's my talk That's this is my nobody wants to switch channels like they're on a tv. It's just like what? How did how did oh, I am the one like just switch the channels for you. I'm the good guy I'm your remote control Okay, okay. Well, I'm going to react shit. Okay? Yes, a lot of it is just watching it Because that's what chat wants. If I commentate too much chat gets fucking bored as chat gets mad if I got any video that I make There's four there. Four there. I don't give a fuck I don't the money's so little on that end I mean you probably wouldn't want to play on top of the box, right? Because if there's nothing in the box, it'll bow down a bit with the weight of the Jenga tower Relatively clear. He wanted it to fall What that's not the point of Jenga What is he? What kind of madness is this we're all making up our own Jenga rules What kind of who wants to live in that kind of world if I go play Jenga with someone then dammit I think there needs to be an understanding that the objective is not for the Jenga tower to fall down Well, you play in Bald Jenga Bald Jenga? Yeah, I don't think I don't think I've played Bald Jenga But it sounds like something that would make me angry So yeah, that's pretty crazy Man carrying thing he makes lots of funny funny videos back him out I don't support this Jenga He wants it to fall down kind of thing though. I don't I just don't I can't support that If you watch like a 30 minute xqc video and just play jenga in the background that I mean you can make a strong argument that that's parody and thus protect it completely by fair use Oh, yes, that's it for the next chapter of the react was uh The Is that chapter which which chapter is it six one and then two three four five. Yeah, I think this is six Chapter six. Aren't I glad that I'm finally part of the uh Give it a year and we'll do it do it again Yeah, I hope that it was everything you thought it would be and more Sure, I hope that it was grandiose beyond your wildest imaginings Yeah, so basically react hotter there you go Yeah, I hope you guys learn something Uh, it's so funny because it drags it all these crazy characters and they all say such insane things They all suck. They'll need to start a big tv show It's like the beat team. I don't think I'd watch it though. No I mean if they had to live together interact with each other and like they would rip each other apart Oh They have to react the hardest, that's the challenges And then they'll have to go like whoa chat. See there's chat. Look at this And chat is a little robot that walks around and his face is all of chat And they all have to like try and tempt him to follow them like whoever the other robot ends up following gets more points, you know Oh, and the chat would vote. Yeah, and it's like, oh, look at me. I'm jumping up and down Look at me chat and chat's like, whoa, he's jumping down and someone else is like, I'm in the toilet Yeah, I'm doing the worm. I'm doing the worm. Let's go Oh my god, we've designed it. There you go. That's the show and the chat is controlled by like You know all of the viewers putting in a command for who to follow and then the the top You know directed around the robot follows them It's all fair. Yeah, we did it. It's a million dollar idea billion dollar trillion dollar Oh my god, there's so much money and then everyone will stream it And we can buy the right re-stream all the streams Fucking fix the world then we'll take down all of the streams and combine them into one video and re-upload that and it'll just be It'll be nirvana. We will have reached it like as long as we're taking down streams and not jenga tower Yeah My stream though my streams look cool. It's time once again. It's probably talk for the vinyl thing. I'll take it That's right The vinyl figures that's high tier content because we've we've flushed out all the old viewers And now all the new ones are in now. None of you guys. That's right watching. We're here at the beginning Guarantee. Oh my god. What if that's how it worked every time a new person joins it boots out someone who's already been here Jesus Wow, that's awful Anyway, this is the main one bringing that up mutually the final figure. Oh, hey. Wow. Look at you go Look at you. This is the rags one. Wow. Oh, wow. Oh, man Look at that dog. Geez. This is the friggin one. Look at him Amazing Okay, that's right This one's me in my box safe You know warm And I on things no dust is getting to me this box. No jars. No, I just uh just box rags in his box You can always put on his box rags in his box. This is my house where I live until you buy me Okay Well, maybe even for a while after that too. Yeah, that's true. Maybe forever Yeah, you heard what I said earlier about the whole heirloom thing. Keep it. You fresh Then it's the friggin one beauty look at that wonderful Links are in the description And that's indeed Yeah, you should go and you should press that link with your mouse button because they won't be around forever And if you grab the collection together you get yourself Rambi you got a good old discount if you get all three. Yes, it's right 15 percent If stitch can buy them that means you guys you're gonna catch up to him because he's not even yeah watchy-fab He hates this like oh, I do you don't even like I'm the most parasocial. Okay at the moment So you better catch up Well cringe Which you know is a good way to segue into being like hey stitch Why don't you tell them where they can find you and what you're up to even though you were here last week It doesn't matter. They don't remember And you were on us. It's happened since then. I was on you when we were on you were on you were on me You were literally on me Um, you can find us me and adam at the sit-in adam show. Oh my god. Is it 4 p.m. Eastern? Oh my god Wait, what days on on tuesdays and what day and tuesdays sunday and tuesdays sunday and tuesdays So there isn't one for ages Who cares That's right. We're nearly as far away from it as we can get. Yeah, it's the sit-in adam show Not the adam and sit-show. Okay. Don't let them all or tell you this Wait, who's old adam that you're switching the name? No, that's what you want to tell him Is he listening right now adam? I believe it's probably not You need to make it up. He's working on the comic. He feels very guilty. I was not coming along by the way Cormick good But you know Good good, but you know It's a grind it's a lot of work a lot of work. He said good, but you know it makes me wonder Well, you know Well, I just I feel bad for him. It's just like every day. He's just slaving away He's like he's like literally gonna cripple his body. I'm like stop it Don't hurt yourself for the comic. It's not worth it. Don't do it adam He's like sit. I have to do it. I have to do it for the fans aw Hey metal anything Hello, do anything cruise fans. I did it. We'll know what you're up to. Where can they find you? Well, I'm just Leaming around no, I'll probably do some strumbling tomorrow. Uh, still working away on that video Hopefully I can start the the visual editing next week. That should work out. Uh I think So hopefully soon people will know what the video is actually about Wow So that's cool. Yeah, probably gonna play some more armored core for on start tomorrow evening and Then next I think next week already is armored core six. So Yeah, it's next friday. So that's gonna be on the list. So gaming be happening and uh, yeah Just working away just working away game envies Nice me You're gonna you going to forage frog Oh, yeah, yeah, right. I'm going to do the the The be beetle man the beetle man. Uh That's next week. Like I coaxed in Or sorry, red, I don'thh. Red beetle. Yes No blue blue Blue deal The blue is Karabahu Azul Yeah, what rake said I coaxed in me And and mark to to watch it and we're gonna do a little fortune at sometime next week They're paid actors though They are the only explanation for them wanting to go see blue beetle. They're paid by exposure bitch That's a reference to another Yeah, damn it Marcus and chat no Anyway, yeah, that's that's that's gonna be happening links both the Churnals and the channel of the dev in discrepancy and Rags for you Boy, I was just Thinking about how cool those vinyls were and I wish that there was a way for me to acquire all three of them for a 15% discount Mm-hmm display them prominently and my house. Well, we're in luck living room or Maybe what it would be like if I bought multiples of them and distributed them amongst friends and family so that they too could experience the joy of every frame of pause every day Even when we're not live every week on Saturdays beginning at 1 p.m. Central, but What was the question he didn't say 50% said 15 Good God. Yeah Well said you said 50 is like And if I did I didn't so what was the what was the question there You gotta announce that you're working on, you know, you do like every end of e-fap I do have some things I'm working on. Yeah, I do have some things. I'm working on I may have figured out a A solution to my computer issue, which means now I can render videos. That's cool because for a while here I it wouldn't just it just wouldn't render videos I could work on them, but I'd try to render them and it just wouldn't so I think I've got that fixed So I'm gonna try and be putting out a lot of dog bite stuff in particular I'm working on a big video for the main channel and that's gonna be that's gonna be a long boy Probably four hours when all said and done But we're no stranger to long videos here at every frame of pause Yeah, I suppose though. I'm not gonna give anywhere specifics because I don't want to you know I don't want to set myself up for that kind of thing. You know, I'm a free spirit I'm just a tumbleweed going where the wind blows Where will I be tomorrow? Who knows? He's just an easy-going drifter that that rags Who knows what he'll be up to you just got a Somebody stop him. No. Well, I can't be so stunning. He's a son. I guess I've been working on a little cartoon which will hopefully be done soon It'll be done before good old anniversary, which reminds me. I probably should let people know I made a cartoon about a cat throwing a ball Yet to mention I saw that that was fun. I've seen it too. I'm glad you thought it was fun Yeah on dubious sanity Wait, do I have a ton on yeah Does that create that yeah, there you go It's about a cat throwing a ball But it doesn't pan out and I'm making another one, but it's not like that one at all and it'll be done soon It's a ball throwing a cat. Whoa. We'll pan out Maybe in the sequel, but you know if there is one. Oh my goodness. It's the it's the age of sequels I suppose No original ideas anymore. What's the remaster? I'm a knife or the life Frame rate be better on the remaster or will it still be? You know, but you know depends. Oh, yeah, Red Dead Redemption. Yeah, that's right. Anyway, that's that's about it Obviously again vinyls take a look Do you think they look like which I think they are very cool and make sure you get that set because I get you the discount and We got a we got good old anniversary coming up soon. Yes So tomorrow I got open bar, of course You'll see me streaming then talking about movies and such and whatnot This Friday, I may or may not be appearing on Friday night ties to talk about that beetle movie Which means I have to see it Which is coming I don't fucking I guess I guess why not and then of course Saturday There is no e-fap as you would have seen by the title of this one It is the one before the anniversary and it's not anniversary time yet on Saturday It'll be video time we're popping out the the ant-man video the fabled ant-man video Which is ready to go. It's been proof to hell and back after every single gosh done long process Mean free you've worked on it for a very long time and it'll be me up to you guys to see it My expectation would be there on Saturday Wow Yeah, I have to move it So otherwise I will never watch it because it's gone forever after you from here. Thank God Yeah, so it would be 6 or 7 p.m. BST probably start it I guess I'm not 100% sure of when I would start it yet, but that'd be The plorn it is a six-hour video and it is now Guaranteed beyond a crazy circumstance to come out Probably 6 p.m. On Saturday BST BST is the time zone 6 p.m. If you want to make time for it, it'll be a long boy very very long boy And yeah, and then the following week following that a it'll be the e-fab fifth anniversary Where we will cover plenty of videos a plenty of guests like a flower stream, right? Yeah for yeah for the two of the beginning, but Hopefully we'll make it. I'm sure we will we always do and who knows what we will cover 250 episodes of this crazy show we call e-fab beautiful And yeah, that probably sums up everything other than of course as mentioned the vinyls of which you can find links to in the Description if you want to check them out Other than that, thank you all so much for joining us really do appreciate it Well good night We shall see you soon enough because all kinds of things coming out Bye-bye everybody Everybody See you later. Goodbye. Hello. See you