 Just protect, like be the protectors, we were the strong people. So why are the strongest people on this planet trying to, you know, take advantage of innocent, you know, weaker beings doesn't make any sense. I'm in this for the animals. I'm not in this for these selfish, half plant-based, animal-abusing apologists who care more about, you know, the way they look than the way the animals feel. Hello everyone, welcome to another video. So this video here is about John Venus. He recently uploaded a video saying, I'm not vegan anymore. Big surprise. It wasn't a surprise to me. It wasn't a surprise probably to a lot of people. He's done this before. This time it looks like he's really serious. He's really like, that's it. He's not going to be a vegan anymore. You know, like a veganist means you're anti-animal abuse. So he's basically gone from being anti-animal abuse to being a pro-animal abuse. So an animal abuser. And, you know, it's like someone saying, yeah, you know, I'm anti-racism. And then like the next week, they're like, nah, I'm actually kind of racist. I'm going to introduce a bit of racism into my lifestyle now. Or, you know, I'm anti-domestic violence. Oh, no, I'm going to introduce a little bit of domestic violence into my lifestyle now. Beat my wife on the weekends. Oh, I'm anti-child abuse. Yeah, anti-child abuse for five years. And now I'm going to start, you know, paying for children to be abused. And, you know, like, when you're a vegan, you're anti-animal abuse. But a lot of these plant-based, you know, dieters and, you know, athletes and, you know, they think of veganism as a diet. Veganism is an ethical philosophy. I mean, how many times do I have to say this? It's not about your health. It's not about the environment. It's about the animals. It's very clear. Veganism is about the animals. Veganism is a lifestyle which seeks to exclude as far as it's practicable and possible all forms of exploitation and cruelty to animals. Boom. Where does it say, oh, it's about your health. It's a plant. You know, we don't have to go through this. Anyone who follows me knows this. Anyone who understands the true principle of veganism knows this. John Venus keeps forgetting. Now, he made a video a while back going, oh, I don't want to be associated with the word vegan anymore. I don't want to be called a vegan anymore. I don't want to... This is all because of public opinion. This is all because of social pressure. He was too afraid to stand up for what he truly believed in. I don't want to be called a vegan anymore. There's some people in the movement that I don't agree with. They're a bit extreme. They're radically against animal abuse. I'm not. I'm so chill. I'm so apologetic. I don't really care about the animals. I care more about my image. So I'm just going to be disassociated from the word vegan. Now, he got a lot of backlash for this. John Venus got so much backlash for this. He backpedaled. He backpedaled and he took it back. It was really very confused. I felt a bit bad for the guy, to be honest. I felt a bit bad for him at this stage. Now, it comes out a while later that he was actually eating eggs at the time. So he was eating eggs, promoting a plant-based diet, promoting veganism in his whatever weird way he does it, whatever false way he does it because it's not about health or a lifestyle. It's about animal abuse. It's about the animals. This is why I come out. I don't want to be associated as a vegan anymore because he was eating eggs at this time and only come out till later. So more dishonesty. Now, let's just watch a few clips about John just to get an idea of what he thinks about activism and all these things. I consider myself an activist. I always have. When I went vegan, right after watching Earthlings, I really felt like dropping fitness and just going out and talking about these ethical issues and talking about factory farming, visiting slaughterhouses and documenting these things. I actually, you know, I was dreaming about, you know, putting on ski masks and, you know, rescuing pigs and whatever. Yeah, but you never did. And, you know, like, yeah, this is what an animal rights activist does. So you kind of, when you watch Earthlings at the start, you woke up to what was happening to animals and you understand the true principle of veganism. Now, for some reason, you know, you threw all that out the window. And because you're afraid of making people uncomfortable, which I'm not, you are, right, you forgot about that principle. You forgot about what happens in Earthlings or something. You really, you really wishy-washy. Joey is more of a, the more in your face, you know, he doesn't go easy on, as easy on people. And I do, like, I think that it's not a bad thing. I still think that the majority of people might be a little bit more offended than intrigued by his approach, but I think that his approach is very necessary as well because it really brings a harsh reality. He just pays lip service to me here. We know what you truly think, John. You truly think that you don't want, you don't want this type of activism in the vegan movement, which is why you disassociate yourself from the vegan movement. You don't want animal rights activists out there defending animals, like militantly, militantly, radically against animal abuse because it makes your public image look bad. Okay? Tell the truth. Tell the truth. Like, you don't like my style of activism because it makes you feel uncomfortable. There's many vegans in the movement like that or plant-based people in the movement like that. They don't agree with it because they don't understand it. If you talked about the animals more, maybe it would remind you of why you're fucking vegan. Showing slaughter footage and, you know, really getting people to understand the ethical side of things and the reality behind buying meat and animal products is crucial because without that I would never have turned vegan myself, right? I'm always suspicious of people who are vegan but never talk about the animals, you know? It's suspicious. Why don't you talk about the animals? Like, why don't you, you're vegan. You went vegan for the animals. Like, John admits he went vegan for the animals. Never talks. He might hear a net. Look, I mean, to be fair, I don't watch his videos. I think I don't like watching his videos because he rarely talks about the animals. But those who talk the least about the animals are the most likely to go back to eating them. That's without a doubt. I needed that visual. I needed that reality check and, you know, to be able to detach from my, you know, relationship with food and family traditions and culture. I needed a reality check and I think you need another one now. Like, this is what happens. People forget why they're vegan. They get in their own little, you know, lifestyle and don't, like me. I'm constantly reminding myself of what goes on to animals constantly because that's the fight. That's the fight. You want to end slaughterhouses. That's the fight. We want to stop animal exploitation. That's the fight. The fight isn't, oh my God, like, I'm worried about my views. If I talk about this, I don't want to put anyone off, you know? That's not thinking of the victims. That's thinking of yourself. You come under some fire recently and now I did a podcast with John Venus, which I'm very embarrassed about this podcast. I pride myself on being a genuine person with integrity and I feel like I sat down with a dishonest liar. And I don't say that about many people in the movement to be honest with you. I felt kind of bad for the guy and I gave him the benefit of the doubt. Now, my reputation as an animal rights activist who cares about animals and cares about justice is being tarnished by me pandering to some maybe plant-based apologist in a podcast which goes against my principles. You kind of projected this message that you don't care if people exploit and kill animals, but I know you personally I think you went vegan after watching Earthlings. Can you just explain yourself for those viewers who are still a little bit confused about that? Oh, 100%. I consider that the worst video or piece of content that I've made in my life the most spontaneous. The worst piece of content he made in his life. So because I knew John Venus and I knew he went vegan for the animals originally, like I gave him the benefit of the doubt. That's why I just gave him the benefit of the doubt. I thought, you know, a lot of people they don't have that strength. They don't have the strength they get lost in the wilderness out here and they just don't focus on the animals. And this is why people they can lose a bit of faith. And I just thought, you know, he was going through a hard time. I gave him the benefit of the doubt. I thought I'd have a podcast with him. Now, John Venus actually contacted me to do content with him at this stage. He goes, hey, Joey, I'm in England. Do you want to do some content together? And I said, okay, well, let's do a podcast. I'm having a podcast. You want to come down? And he ran down to do the podcast. My inkling on this is that I think because he lost so much respect within the animal rights movement, his way of sort of garnering more support within the animal rights community was aligning himself with someone like me, who he doesn't even agree with my activism. Let's be honest. John Venus doesn't even agree with my activism. I guarantee he doesn't. But he wanted to align himself with me because I hadn't lost the entire respect of the entire community for not wanting to call myself vegan, for, you know, throwing the animals under the bus. He's done this to me again, and he's messaged me to get on his podcast, and I refused to because I just looked at it, look unread it, and was like, I don't want to go on your podcast. I'm losing faith in this person, so I don't want to align myself with him. When you're a social media influencer, I've posted over probably like three to five thousand times, I believe. And I've never had a post like that, right? But eventually, something's going to go wrong, you're going to say something bad, you're going to mess up. Eventually, after three and a half thousand posts, the truth is going to come out that this is all an act. I honestly, in my heart, knew that you do care about what happens to animals. And, you know, it's just that you've chosen this way of spreading the message, and your advocacy style is unique, and you're just less direct with the ethical thing. You're more, hey, this is what I'm doing, you know, and I appreciate that. We need that because some people, I'm just going to turn them straight over to you. Now, this is what I regret, you know. You can't read someone's mind whether they truly care about animals. I know I do, but their actions speak louder than words. So their behavior is like, okay, I eat a plant-based diet. But when you care about animals, you care about their suffering to the point that you speak about it. You say this is awful. Now, you don't have to be in someone's face, sometimes like when I get a bit worked up. Look, I understand I get a bit worked up, I'm working on that. But like, I am always for the animals. I speak truthfully, I speak honestly to people. I don't baby them. Okay, I'm not an apologist. Here, when I say, I honestly in my heart knew that you do care about what happens to animals. I honestly in my heart know that you do care about animals. Now, I mean, not to the point that he doesn't care about them to the point that he wouldn't eat products from them. And when I show you his video, this comes to light. He doesn't care about them enough to put their life above his, you know, optimal diet utopia. You're just less direct with the ethical thing. You're more, hey, this is what I'm doing. You know, and I appreciate that we need that because some people I'm just going to turn them straight over to you. Now, he doesn't speak about the ethical thing and I said, I'll just turn them straight over to you. I would never turn anyone over to you. I'm selling the movement right now not to trust you. You're dishonest. You're a liar. You care more about your image than you do about what doing what's right. You never speak about the injustice that's happening to animals, even though you came to care about it, which is a contradiction. You either care about it or you don't. You know, your behavior shows that. Your behavior shows that. I'm just warning anyone who's watching this video up to this point not to trust this guy. Don't trust him. Don't trust him what he says. He's proven time and time again that he can't be honest. You can follow him if you want, do whatever you want, but just take everything he says for a grain of salt. The most important thing for me personally is that I know my intentions. I know what my intent is and I know in my heart that it's good. I'm doing everything for the right reasons. As long as I know that and my closest friends and family know that, I'm happy. I think the truth and my intentions will reveal themselves eventually. Your truth and your intentions will reveal themselves eventually. Now, I don't know what your intent is in your heart. I mean, your actions should show that. Your actions should show your intent. When you make a video, you say something that could offend someone, but you say it because it's the right thing. You say it because it's the right thing even though you've offended people. You're not focusing as much on being liked as you are with doing what's right. That's how I know your good intentions. Oh, wow, he said that. I mean, it's true. It's true, but look how this has got this person angry, but he's been honest here. That's how your true intentions come out in the end. Are you still speaking for the animals? Do you really care about this movement? Even through the hard times, are you still pushing through? Because, let's face it, if you didn't have these values in your heart, you could have gone x-vegan kind of ages ago and got millions and millions of views and sold millions and millions of programs. But you've obviously got your values aligning with what you do. That's why you're not going to budge on that. No, I mean, the thing is media, this is how it works, right? Like drama, sales, and... You're not going to budge on that. You could have gone x-vegan, got millions and millions of views, sold millions of programs. Do you see what I mean? He knows that. And I'll tell you why, because his x-vegan video, which is coming up, he tries to get people to go, oh, you know, there's many things coming up. Wait for it. But do you see how he stutters and stumbles here after I say this? You've obviously got your values aligning with what you do. That's why you're not going to budge on that. No, I mean, the thing is media, this is how it works, right? Like drama, sales, and... See that big stumble? I put him on the spot there, didn't I? I put him on the spot because that's like, in your heart, you're doing what's right and it's aligning with what you do. No, Joey, that's what you're doing. Just because you feel a certain way doesn't mean John Venus feels a certain way. Just because I feel a certain way about animals and how I'm doing what's right in my heart and I won't budge, that doesn't mean John Venus won't. This was before he came out saying... This podcast was before he came out saying, I've been eating eggs. You know what I mean? So I didn't know that. That came out later. The other day, John Venus confessed to eating eggs about a year ago and he came up with the most ridiculous excuses I've ever heard. So when he come out with that eggs video, I was like, you're a bullshit artist. You are a bullshit artist. I don't want anything to do with you. Just because you have integrity in your heart doesn't mean everyone else does. I'm really starting to become suspicious of those people who never talk about the blatant, disgusting cruelty that happens to animals every single day and they're happy to just go on with their life and not mention it at all. You know, I always try to go play these psychological things and only make content that I think will be the best for the non-vegans to be interested in their lifestyle. So John, remember you said like, you try to play these psychological games with people and only make videos that's going to get non-vegans interested in their lifestyle. So basically you're saying you're a massive psychological warfare pandering machine where you just try to pander to people to make them like you instead of just being, boom, this is the truth. I'm not going to lie to you. Animals are being abused and tortured and murdered so you can eat their bodies. It's got to stop here. Now I'm going to do a body workout routine and show your plant-based diet and give you alternatives. Why don't you do both? Rarely. Now in John's words... ...and only make content that I think will be the best for the non-vegans to be interested in their lifestyle. Okay, so we only make content that's going to get non-vegans interested in their lifestyle. When he makes a video, I don't want to be vegan anymore. I just eating eggs, I lost faith and this and that. You're just making people feel like really in doubt. I'm not here to judge you for doing whatever you feel is right for you, your family and your community. I'm not here to tell you what is objectively right or what is wrong and I'm not here to listen to your arguments and to your opinions either. Okay. You take a study and you use that study to come to a conclusion but then another person with a whole another opinion will take that same exact study and come to the opposite conclusion to someone else. So John and Venus is actually a research scientist now. He knows how to interpret data. He actually knows more than all of the plant-based doctors combined. Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine, Dr. Neil Barnard, Dr. John McDougal, Dr. Michael Greger, and Nutrition Facts, Dr. Garth Davis, Dr. Michael Clapper, Dr. Kim Williams, the ex-president of the American College of Cardiology and Chief of Cardiology, True North Health Center, the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics, and the NHS, the list goes on and on and on. There are so many people who can interpret data who work within plant-based nutrition that are much more qualified to speak on this than John Venus is. I mean, like I said before, I'm not putting down anyone who doesn't have this high level of intellect. Or even can't interpret data. Interpreting data is very complicated. I'm not very good at it, but I know there are some people who are very good at it, and I always go to the experts to interpret the data for me. I don't go to John Venus. I don't go to someone who focuses more on how he looks and selling his diet programs and pandering to people to go to him for any type of nutrition advice or medical advice or really important nutrition advice as well. I would go for the experts. So I think that goes for everyone, like every single activist who is all about ethics knows that, you know, you can be healthy on a vegan diet, because if not, there is no way anyone would, you know, go for this lifestyle. I was acknowledging that there's, you know, hundreds of thousands, millions of other vegans who are doing fine. And if they really ran into problems, you know, and they were suffering, then they would go back to eating animals to save their life, basically, or to alleviate a great amount of suffering for themselves, and they couldn't possibly do it. It's just not true that you would put a sentient animal's life before your own. That's not going to happen. We can think that, you know, we are that selfless, but if that were the case, we as humans would have died out a long time ago. We are always looking after ourselves and our own before, you know, trying to, you know, share our empathy with other beings and creatures, so. This is another video. I'm chopping back and forth to another video that he made on vegan activism, but he's like, it doesn't make sense that you would put another sentient life before your own. No one's asking anyone to die. He's talking about a survival situation, John Venus. You're talking about a survival situation. Most people, if the only option is for you to kill a fish or you to suffer and die, they're going to kill the fish. But we're not talking about that, are we, mate? We're talking about just a basic level of well-being. You know, a basic level of health. Basic level of well-being where you don't have to, you know, murder animals. Like I'm talking about just giving them the right to life and choosing alternatives. And you know that. It's not a life and death scenario to be vegan. A lot of times when you're vegan, especially for me, you are in this bubble. You are in the mindset of, you know, we are doing something that is ethical. We're doing this because it feels right in every single way. And this is my perspective. And because this is my perspective, we're only going to listen to other people with the same perspective that have the same mission to eliminate animal suffering, to live a plant-based lifestyle, a vegan diet. Like, a lot of people haven't connected with what happens to animals. So it's going to feel like you're in a bubble because no one exposes themselves to what happens to animals more than vegans do, more than animal rights activists do. So of course we're going to be constantly reminded of that. And that's going to be our main motivation, 100%. But we've also got multiple experts. Science coming out, like, every single week. New science and, you know, big organizations, peer-reviewing the studies as well that he's talking about. One person comes to one conclusion. Another person comes to another conclusion. That's what a peer reviewer is for. That's why they peer-review. They get a bunch of people to review the data so that they come to a consensus and then they release the study. You know, and yes, and some people do have that as a mission to eliminate animal suffering, to eliminate animal exploitation. Do you? It's either vegan, pro-vegan, or it's anti-vegan and pro-meat-eating and pro-murder and death and these things. And this is the mindset that is, you know, I wasn't that mindset myself, so I know that that is the dominant mindset for a lot of people. Yeah, because you're either vegan or you're paying for animals to be tortured and killed. It's not hard to understand. Maybe you need to watch Earthlings again. Maybe you need to sit through the entire length of Dominion to understand this logic. If you pay for animal products, you're paying for animals to be exploited and killed. What's so hard to understand about that? It is either one or the other. I have never claimed that the science, you know, proves that a vegan diet, 100% vegan diet is the best for optimal health. What does he mean by optimal health? Like, keep saying optimal health. It's like, he drinks energy drinks. He constantly makes videos of him smashing down vegan junk food. He's not always exercising. You know, sometimes he has, you know, months off of exercise I've seen. You know, so why, if you're so concerned with optimal health, why do you have massive junk food cheat days and drink energy drinks full of caffeine and junk? You're not that concerned with optimal health. That's like taking a plant-based diet to the next level and being very rigid. And no one's like that. I ate vegan burgers all the time. You have vegan burgers all the time. No one's really concerned with this optimal utopian health. They're concerned with the general amount of well-being. You know, as long as you're not destroying your health to the point that you're suffering. But, you know, you've got a general amount of well-being and you can have maybe a better than normal health status where you can have a bit of junk food here and there. Who the hell wants to be optimal utopian, you know, magical diet all the time? It's those people who are so focused on the raw lifestyle and fasting and having this optimal utopian vision. They're the people who fall off. I've seen it time and time again. All the ex-vegans are focusing on some optimal health. Like, I've got to be some amazing picture of health. The truth is you'll never get there. You've seen it with Tim Schief. He always wanted to be like some magical being. You know, like, oh my God, I feel amazing all the time. And you should just be happy with the general amount of well-being. You know, steer away from heart disease by avoiding oils and saturated fats. Have a higher whole foods plant-based diet and you're going to be good. You know, I was skeptical at first. But it turns out that it was, you know, I progressed even faster after switching to a plant-based diet. I struggled with digestive issues. I had, you know, a pretty severe case of constipation often. So that was, like, removed instantly within two weeks. I was, like, feeling lighter and healthier. I also gained a lot of strength in the gym. You're not sacrificing gains at all by switching to a plant-based diet. It's exactly the same, if not better. Well, there you go, straight from his mouth. There is extremal little science and I am not convinced at all by the science that is used to support those claims. John Venus is an expert on reading data now. He's a scientific expert. You can't be healthy, optimally healthy on a vegan diet. You can't, well, can you be moderately healthy on a vegan diet? Can you live long on a vegan diet? Why doesn't he ever present his opposing research or point out the flaws in the studies? So, like, if you really did have a problem with the studies, why doesn't he personally, if he's so good at interpreting data better than Dr. Greger, Dr. Neil Barnard, the Physicians Committee of Responsible Medicine, Dr. Clapper, Dr. Garth Davies, if he's so good at interpreting the data, why doesn't he interpret the data for us and tell us what's wrong with it? I know why. Because if he does, he's going to sound like a fool and he's going to get destroyed by all those people who know what they're talking about. We're all trying to come from a place of compassion and love and trying to make the world a better place. You're literally going back to eating animal products. Eating animal products is one of the cruelest things anyone ever does. You're deliberately supporting suffering, death and violence and for no, you know, justifiable reason. This is not something that I as a parent, as a father, am comfortable with doing. I'm not comfortable of dismissing, you know, hundreds of thousands of years or even millions of years of a certain, you know, eating pattern. You're not comfortable as a father to make your child vegan, but you're comfortable to teach him to abuse and kill animals or to eat the flesh of animals. So you're teaching him something like, hey, you know, we've been doing it for millions of years. You know, we've been killing animals for millions of years. I'm not comfortable teaching my child not to kill animals and to harm animals and actually for all for compassion and love, as you know me, John Venus, I'm all for compassion and love, but I don't want to teach my child not to be cruel to animals and to harm animals, even though I'm going to feed him animal products because we've been doing it for hundreds of thousands of years. That's the reason we've always done it. We've always done a lot of cruel things, John, you know. We've always killed each other. We've always raped each other. Human beings have always, you know, murdered each other. Cannibalism was happening for thousands of years, you know. Like, there's people doing crazy things in survival situations, but because of John Venus', you know, change in life choice, we should continue doing those cruel and horrific things. Instead, do something that requires supplementation to make possible like B12 because, again, I used to think that you can get B12 from the soil and water and that there is no scientific evidence for that to be true. Here goes about the scientific evidence claims here. You know, John, you never provide your evidence. Are you going to present a study that is flawed or something? It's hilarious how he's going on about, you have to supplement B12 on a vegan diet when meat eaters diet is supplemented with B12 as well. They feed it to the animals. They inject it into the animals. Even when you go to the most high-grade, pasture-raised, grass-finished beef, they still supplement those bit animals with B12. They inject it into them. They put it into the feed. They give them nutrient supplements so that it's in their flesh. So why not just eat the supplement directly? And there's also a plant-based source of B12 called duckweed. Have you seen that duckweed? No? Don't care? I've had some question marks because of personal experiences, because of my real-life observations. So he's basically saying that because of his personal experience, that's evidence that the vegan diet doesn't work. It's basically an anecdote. We've heard this before. We keep hearing the same thing. And I don't want to give any personal information, so I'm not going to talk in detail about any of that. His whole channel was based on basically exposing his private life to everyone. He's always given personal information, but in this instance, he's not because he's lying. And if he gave us the reason... Let's just say he gave us a reason. Oh, I've got stomach issues. Oh, I've got this issue. He knows that it will get destroyed. This is why he's not telling us. He says it's this health issue and everyone's just going to laugh. I think it's more paranoia. Conspiracy theories. Oh, we've been doing it for millions of years. We shouldn't stop. We're going to de-evolve like all of these conspiracy theories that are based in no evidence. I don't feel comfortable with my kid being vegan. I cannot continue that lifestyle myself. I don't feel comfortable with my kid being vegan. I can't present any data to prove that it's harmful for kids, but I don't feel comfortable with it. So therefore, because I don't feel comfortable with my kid being vegan, I'm going to go back to abusing animals, too. Granted, I'll still do everything in my power to do what I feel is best with my moral compass for the environment, the planet, the animals, and all of that stuff. If you're not vegan, there's nothing you can do. There's nothing you can do. What are you going to do? Go get some free-range eggs from the local farmer. When all of those free-range egg-laying hens come from a parent breeding shed, where they spike the flock, they get roosters to go in there and to mate with the chickens over and over again until they're exhausted, and then when the roosters are exhausted, they cull them off, and then they introduce more roosters to mate with those same chickens so they can keep producing fertilized eggs, and they go off to free-range farms, organic farms, backyard farms, and cage farms. So all of the fertilized eggs come from the same parent breeding sheds. And we all know what happens at hatcheries by now. They get separated based on sex, and the males will go into a macerator, big blender, blend them up alive, or they'll get suffocated in a garbage bag or gassed. You're going to support that industry. Is that what it is? Eggs? Is it the fishing industry where you're going to drag fish out of the ocean by their face where they suffocate and die? Most of the animals on Earth that are killed and eaten are fish, one to three trillion, destroying the oceans. You know what is it? Which animal product are you going to choose? You're going to kill a fish? You're going to kill a few fish? Which is it? You're going to murder a sentient being because you can't interpret data properly or you're having some anecdotal issues that you don't want to go to an expert to fix? What is it? Either way, you're going to be abusing animals. And I don't care if someone watching feels extremely offended because it's not about you, it's not about me. It's not about you, it's not about me, it's about the animals. That's what veganism is about. Exactly. It's about the animals. So where do they get left here, on your plate? And confirmed my belief that the vegan diet is the optimal, the healthiest diet ever, right? You can look at children's health pediatric journals and if you look at some of these papers in children's health pediatric journals, none of them say that vegan or vegetarian diets are bad for children. They never recommend people to not feed their kids vegan or vegetarian diets. Vegan gains is very well versed in health research, much more trusting than John Venus when it comes to reviewing data and things like that. So I would go check out a vegan gains' video which I'll leave a link down below and you can just watch his rebuttal. I'm not scared of getting flack for any of this. I've done this several times in the past and I just don't care. You just don't care, you've said that before. My closest friends eat meat, they don't care about whether or not an animal goes through certain things. I just, I don't care. I don't care what people do in their own life in terms of dietary choice. I don't care if you don't care about the environment, I don't care if you don't care about your own health. I don't care about animals, it's fine, I don't care. Yeah, you're going to get flack for this, mate, but you're just going to get more flack for people just thinking you're just a dishonest liar and basically just whatever faith they did have in you they just probably have lost again anyway and they're not going to be too surprised because that's what happens, mate. If you expose some level of dishonesty, if you start making up bullshit excuses, people are just going to lose respect for you. I'm not scared of getting flack for any of this. I've done this several times in the past. And it's interesting how he says I'm not scared of getting flack for any of this but he hid my comment on his video and the reason I know he hid it is because I left the comment on his video and it didn't have any likes but other people were getting likes and it's funny Joey Carpstrong didn't get any likes on his comment and that's because simply there's an option for you to hide the comment and yeah, if you're not scared of getting flack why couldn't you receive the flack from me? That was one of the motivations actually for making this video because I couldn't leave my comment on his video to just disassociate myself from this person publicly so I thought this is pissing me off I'm going to have to make a video to just publicly say I don't align myself with this person People can do whatever they want to support their own biases and to feel superior to me or to any other people who choose differently than them that is up to everyone to do You feel so superior to animals that because you've got some fabricated health issue that you can't talk to experts about and you're such an expert on science that you feel so superior to animals that you're going to destined them to a life of exploitation to feed you and your family harm, exploitation and cruelty to feed your family you're the one who's acting superior But it's just not right it's not a compassionate way of doing things It's just not right it's just not a compassionate way of doing things acting superior to those who treat animals as inferior is not right it's not a compassionate way of doing things even though I'm choosing not to be vegan who knows what he's eating who knows if he's going to go full carnivore he's so easily misled this guy that he probably might so you don't dare talk about compassion when you're about to treat animals like shit and it's not a way that reflects the core principles of veganism that got me attracted to the whole thing in the first place of compassion and love and all these things Veganism's got nothing to do with compassion and love this is where the misconception lies Veganism's about being a nice person about being compassionate and loving you can be an asshole and be vegan you can be compassionate and loving and be vegan vegan's specifically to do with the abuse and cruelty that happens to animals and animal exploitation that's simple you can be an asshole and be against child abuse there's a lot of assholes that don't abuse children alright you don't have to be loving and compassionate to not abuse children just have to agree with the simple idea exploiting and abusing the innocent isn't wrong and immoral this is what got me attracted to love and compassion this is what I mean this mindset about love and compassion it's about justice, fairness and doing the right thing to everyone who watches and follows along this channel and I hope that you guys can stick around because there's so many more things and the journey has just begun there's a lot more to come so this is it, there's a lot more to come guys remember when I said in my podcast to him because let's face it if you didn't have these values in your heart you could have gone x-vegan kind of ages ago and got millions and millions of views and sold millions and millions of programs he knows that by doing this he's going to get more views people are going to be like oh well the vegan community won't watch my stuff because they think I'm a dishonest liar and lost faith in me so maybe if I disassociate from the vegan movement say I'm not vegan anymore people are going to be watching me for the drama he recently Dr Michelle Lowe put up on her video that John Venus recently become a my protein ambassador which is a non-vegan company they do vegan options too but he's a my protein ambassador so maybe it's a little bit of public image thing he's trying to do I just don't trust a guy talks more about himself than he does about the animals he's just so full of himself that he cares more about what his friends think in public image that he does about doing what's right is about love and compassion and not about justice and fairness and doing the right thing you know it's just all a facade I have no apologies to give to anyone I think that this is a very very good thing why don't you apologize to the fucking animals and I think that you guys you know are in for a very interesting journey ahead if you want to follow along you guys are in for a very interesting journey if you want to follow along so it's all a ploy to get more views and get people to again I'm not going to tell you why I'm not vegan I'm going to keep that private even know nothing else in my life is private look I literally had to make this video just to disassociate from him I take back anything that I said I gave him the benefit that I doubt I was wrong I'm sorry for that I'm in this for the animals I'm not in this for these selfish half plant based animal abusing apologist who care more about you know the way they look than the way the animals feel I just want to take a second to thank and you know acknowledge everyone that is proactively fighting for this cause because as we know it's an important one and it's not going to go anywhere unless we put our best efforts forward to push for a better planet so I hope you appreciate then John why I made this video because you support activists right and you're now an animal abuser so I'm going to do some activism here and teach people why they shouldn't abuse animals I've got an idea that he might go for the free range eggs organic eggs and you know wild caught fish and grass fed beef or a cow shot in the skull I just don't know what animal product he's going to choose to be ethical it's just you know but yeah the reason I'm making this is because I have a responsibility to defend the animals that John Venus wants to now abuse to feed his family so I'm just going to leave you with a few things John said a few years ago when I interviewed him and I'm just going to leave them here to remind John and to remind everyone else why we don't do this to animals you know there's always another option speak to experts don't get advice off of airheads like John Venus you know and yeah like I hope you guys understand why I thought I felt responsible to make this video and I'll leave you with this seeing you know actual real footage of these animals you know just like minutes before getting slaughter just really connected with me you could see their suffering and fear like just in their eyes just as you would with your own pets and I own a dog as well so I just I just couldn't you know ignore this anymore so yeah I just decided to change there and then like that's it for me there is nothing manly about eating meat when you actually think about it when you see these you know the issues that we face today when you see the cruelty that we're causing these animals we're mainly about pushing your power over someone else who is you know incapable of defending themselves you know just protect like be the protectors we were the strong people so why are the strongest people on this planet trying to you know take advantage of innocent you know weaker beings