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For over seven years, Alan has been the emcee at the largest UFO event in the country called Contact in the Desert. To learn more about Alan and his show, go to youtube.com slash New Realities. And also we're going to be giving out some information in the show notes a little later on about where you can watch and acquire his amazing new five-part video series called Making Contact that have names that you will absolutely want to hear from. And with that, I welcome Alan Steinfeld to Dare to Dream. It's so great to have you here. It is great to be here and congratulations on your awards. Wow, I'm impressed. So I'm happy to be here with your audience because obviously you reach a wide audience and it's always good to share the knowledge. So thank you Debbie. My pleasure, my pleasure. So Alan, you know what I want to start with is I think I'm one of the people that you like to appeal to in the sense I have been extremely metaphysical my whole life, transformational, psychic, channeling, all of that into. But I was an eye roller, honestly when it came to other worlds, other planets, other beings and I'm the person who suddenly woke up. Like four years ago, something happened and I started listening with different ears and I said, my God, this is truth. I know this is truth and my world changed. This show changed, conversations changed. I do contact work now. I've seen spacecraft so much is different. Do you believe that people are waking up like me right now and that there is more and more acceptance and more and more conversation around this? Well, absolutely. This is a time we're at a transition point in our world, in our culture. Not just you, millions of people around the world are seeing things in the sky, trying to explain it. They're having dreams. I just interviewed a ufologist from China where it's not very safe to talk about these things but she says people have been emailing her about their dreams and these beings showing up so it's not just things in the sky. It's interaction, it's contact that seems to be happening on a worldwide scale. We just think in this country it's just US or it's California but it's everywhere this phenomena is occurring and it's a vibrational shift. So you woke up because you've been metaphysical and all that but the vibration, the frequency of the planet, the frequency of thought is now welcoming these other beings into our reality. So it's part of I would say the Aquarian age. Moving into a new time, a new shift out of what they call the Kali Yuga into the Satya Yuga. There's many different traditions. Even in the Hebrew tradition they say, year 6000 will be the new Sabbath for a thousand years. So we're approaching that time, the year 6000, the Jewish calendar and we're so many traditions, the Toltec tradition, Sergio Magana talks about the time of the sixth son which is a time of understanding ourselves as energy, not matter, quantum physics is agreeing with that. Everything is shifting in our worldview and including our awareness that we're not alone in the universe. I mean, I'm not saying it and all the people in my book or the government is saying this to us. They are acknowledging there are ships visiting us, there are beings from other places in our airspace and it's been quite a controversy for the government to keep that a secret but it's no longer a secret. There is an acknowledgement that yes, that headline, I just interviewed Linda Moulton-Howe. She's saying we're not alone in the universe. That's what we're looking for with the Webb telescope being launched last month looking for life on other distant planets and star systems. It's only a matter of time and I think that time is shortly approaching where we realize that we are not a freak of nature. You know, science says no, life is an accident and this is probably the only place or maybe very few but life is an emergent property of creation itself. That's my belief system and it's only a belief system to say no, life is an accident. So belief system, I say is make believe. What do you want to sell yourself to make believe? Make believe life is abundant or make believe that we're just an accident. So when we believe and know that life is everywhere that like in my research with Gary Nolan from Stanford Research Institute, he says the DNA molecule appears to be older than the earth itself. Yes, DNA appears to be 9.5 billion years old and the earth is only 4 billion years old. So could it be that life is seeded throughout the universe by natural constituents of chemical compositions but is it also coming from a higher level? I mean, we don't have to use the word God but maybe there's a grand intelligence that we are derivative of. So these are questions that are not just philosophical, they're scientific. Science is looking at this and this is a seed change in human civilization. Imagine what it'll be like when we meet the others. When they actually, yeah, people are having dreams and contact but when it's really acknowledged that we're not alone in the universe, it does so many things. First of all, it changes our technology, right? When you've seen those ships, I don't think they're filling up their gas tank to get here. Not at our prices right now. Definitely not. But so what does that mean? If there's something like free energy, just think, if... It's a huge conversation, this along the free energy. Yes, and I think really, it's not so much aliens or whatever those beings are that the government doesn't want to admit. They don't, and it's just my feeling, they don't want to admit that there's something that could house your whole power, you know, system in your house, in your apartment without going to an oil company. By passing all the corporate controls that are obviously fueling politicians and saying, you know, maybe people can really be free if they own their own energy supply and maybe that's something that will really transform the world even more than the fact that, oh yeah, we have visitors. Just think, we won't have to be enslaved to oil companies. I mean, if you had a device in your place where you could power everything or your car, or it's just, it changes the destiny of human civilization. People no longer have to work to just survive. You know, we can cultivate the deserts. We can have abundant foods. I mean, it's, but that's just one aspect of the technology. Just think of the true history of who we are as human beings, of religion, you know? Maybe religion is outdated. Maybe the science, and I know you're spiritual so you understand the science of incarnation might be the real avenue we look into about who we really are. What is the nature of the soul? And what's our evolution as spiritual beings? So all that comes into play when we just acknowledge that there's something more in the universe than just humans, right? Does it make sense? Makes sense, completely, yeah. And you're the book, and it's right there. People can see it making contact that you've just released. It's the result, 30 years you've done of investigations into UFOs and into ETs. Right. So since the Pentagon disclosures, the who, the what, the how of why we're being visited. I mean, I've had Dr. Stephen Greer on the show and many other experts and everybody. It seems to me that there's a pattern with the answers. I'd love to hear your answer. Why are these beings here on earth amongst us every day? And also through visitation. Right. Well, there is a pattern to answers, but also this book is a collection of essays. So there's 12 different essays by the experts in the field. And I wanted to just be not my opinion because, you know, that's one. There's a, I wouldn't say disagreement, but everyone has their own reasons to answer this question. Who, what, why, where are they from? So I needed to put out a book that covered the scope of what these people I've really respect are saying and there's not an agreement about who, what, and why, but there is an agreement that yes, definitely, and the government has just acknowledged that we are being visited by intelligent beings. So I think by presenting the readers with many different possibilities, you know, people say, oh, I'm Pleiadian, Arcturian. I don't even know what that means. You know, what level of civilization of Pleiadian are you? I mean, so let's just establish so we can go to the next level and get the government to acknowledge that yes, we are not alone in the universe. We are being visited, like you said, every single day, every single night, if you go out to Sedona, look up the sky at Night Vision Goggle, with Night Vision Goggle, you'll see these lights moving and they're not just satellites. So the big questions, though, is why are they here in such massive numbers? That's something that if you read the book, you'll get a general overview, but you won't get an answer because we have to figure out what that answer is. It's up to us and I think on another level, we are the aliens, we've been, we are the aliens, right? We're, as human beings, not like any other creature on planet Earth. We build houses, we have relationships, you know? We make things and that has made us different. I mean, genetically, we're related, but on a conscious level, we are not related to the animals. I think we're star-seated. I mean, people are talking about star seeds. Now, this is just my opinion. We're star-seated and from other places as an evolved civilization and we've been dumbed down to not to acknowledge who and what we are. So the ETs or whatever those beings are, whatever's out there, are here at this time, I believe, to wake us up to who we really are and shows like yours and mine are talking to an awakened audience. Like you're not gonna get people switching from the football game to our shows, you know? Which is okay, they're doing their thing. I'm not judging anyone, I'm just saying it's too bad, but you know, I'm just saying that we're presenting an opportunity for people to think about these questions because these questions are expanding people's minds. And you know, you look at quantum physics, it all goes back to the observer. The observer affects reality. Of course, people like Joe Dispenza and all these human potential teachers are teaching that now, but we know that. We are more wave than particle, we're more energy than matter. However you wanna say it, the science is now proving what the mystics have for years understood. And I think that has to do with how ETs see the world. I think they can move through time and space because time and space are fluid in the matrix of consciousness. You know, sometimes you're looking at something that looks like you're waiting for the clock to change and it looks like forever to get to a certain time. And then time moves quickly and it depends on consciousness. Why does time seem different and different moments, even though objectively it's all counting the same time, it's because consciousness is an accelerated observer of the time space modality. So we have to look at how are these beings moving through time space and like the Tic Tac show and the Pentagon release, there's no propulsion system. They're able to turn it right angles and all the scientists say, well, that GeForce would really destroy anybody in those. You can't just do that. But maybe they're not using Newtonian physics. You know that Newtonian physics, you know how old it is, when Newton lived? No, tell us. I think he lived in the 1700s. We're using 300-year-old science to move our machines. A modern day situation. But we're using an ancient physics. And so quantum physics was a leap, but it's only an explanation. It's not an application. That's the problem with quantum physics. It's something, it's telling you your consciousness effects matter. But how does it do that? Is the missing piece that I think the ETs, like I say, whoever they are, want to help us because really gotta be, I think we're equal to them. Yes, they will freak us out. If they appear in front of you, right there in your little studio, in the apartment there, it would kind of freak me out because I've met them in altered states. I say dream states, altered states. And we have to adjust to their vibration. And that's something that the subtitle of this book, preparing for the new realities of extraterrestrial existence, the preparation is first knowing that something's there. And then adjusting the scope of our awareness to include the others. So when they do show up, you lock your doors, you're going to sleep, and suddenly there's a being at the foot of your bed, that it's traumatizing. It's maybe a little less traumatizing to hear like, you know, they don't have very good bedside manners, but it's a little less traumatizing to think that, oh, well, maybe I read about this, or this has happened before. So it's like, oh, so here's a being, and it's not a human being, because I know the door's a lock, I know I didn't hear it, and there they are. So how do we adjust to a paradigm that is mind-blowing? It's really what I'm trying to talk about over the fact that the government has barely admitted. Yeah, so talk about that. What are the obvious facts that this nine-page Pentagon Senate Intelligence Report omitted? Well, the one thing they did acknowledge that they're, they had 144 cases in June of 2021 where they observed, and only one was explained as a balloon. There were 143 that they said, well, it could be airborne clutter, it could be foreign adversaries, it could be a natural phenomena, it could be balloons, or, this is the fifth category, and this is what is in the document, other. It could be other. Now that is such a lame, really pathetic sort of inclusion of what they can't explain. They call it other, okay. So you get people like Louis Elizondo. You know who he is? Absolutely. I've had Daniel Sheehan on the show. Oh yeah, Daniel, Danny is his lawyer, and he was on a show I just did, but Louis Elizondo is leading the disclosure movement because he was a counterintelligence person working for the government. He was assigned this job of looking and investigating these UFOs. He didn't know anything about it. He says, oh my God, this stuff is real. I mean, this is like, and then he said- They're covering it up. And why are they covering it up is the big question. I think it's corporate influence, but I also think they've been lying, and this is the 75th year anniversary of Roswell. I might not go to Roswell this year and speak there on the 75th. So they've been covering up because, you know, there's that old saying once you tell a lie, you have to keep telling it in order to protect the truth. And the little lies become big lies become, and that's what happened in Roswell when Truman said, no, no, no, we can't, we just got out of a world war and we can't say there's this thing like people from another planet. So those little lies have become big lies, have become humongous lies. And now, you know, the Air Force is one of the main branches that have been covering up and actually ridiculing people for saying that there's stuff out there. So let's just get to ground zero, let's put it that way, where we can acknowledge some things here and it's not other, well, it's other, but it's other that, you know, it's not, and this is what Alessandro says, these things are not anything the Chinese, the Russians or the US have created. And it's not some third world country suddenly stumbling on. And the closest thing they'll say to mentioning the A word is that they're off world. They might be off world, but I want to push, and me and a lot of people in this citizens movement for UFO disclosure say, let's just say what it is. If it talks like a duck and walks like a duck, it might actually be an alien, right? Well said, I love that. So I'm curious when you say, Alan, that your UFO slash ET experience is more in the dream realm, talk about what any of your direct contact with celestial beings has been. All right, I'll tell you my story. It's in my book, but I'll tell you chapter seven. I'm driving cross country with this girlfriend who I had met in Sedona and we're driving back East and kind of take a round. We go up to Oregon and we cut across Oregon, take route 80 back to New York and back to Wanto actually, Long Island because I was still living there in 87. And so we stop, we're driving for like a long time. We stop in North Platte, Nebraska and we get off the interstate down a little row that says the sign says enter at your own risk and we just go to sleep because we're tired, we're driving and we just feel like we're frozen in the night. We're feel like we go to bed in the same position we wake up and I just talked to this woman not too long ago because it was a while ago and relationships, they evolve. But I said to her, because I gave her the book and she said, oh, I said, you remember that night? We slept by, you know, in Nebraska and she'd go, yeah, the night we felt frozen. It wasn't like we were frozen in a cold way but we were suspended animation. Like, you know, we woke up in the same position. I mean, who even remembers that? So I wake up and I think, and it feels a little weird, the scene. So we just keep driving and I think for a second, could something weird have happened? I go, nah, couldn't, you know. So I get back to New York and in the next like couple of days and there's a mark on the back of my leg. It's like a four prong puncture mark. It's like, and it's on the back of my knee, you know, it's like, and who looks at the back of their knee, right? I mean, Well, did it hurt? Was there a reason why you even checked back there? No, I didn't check. I was at the pool in Wontore. My mother says, oh, what's that in the back of your leg? And I said, oh, I don't know. Must be a spider bite or something like that. It's interesting because I think my mother's side of the family were all abductees, my mother and my grandmother. So it's interesting that she would spot that and she doesn't believe any of this stuff. Although she has a fear of cats and I said to her, what is it about cats that are scary so much? And she says it's the eyes. I said, well, so I think there's a history there and I think it does follow generations. So, but you know, the strange thing was I was doing video at the time. I was doing a video for this woman who was a choreographer and she was choreographing one of her abductions. And I just happened to meet her somewhere and she said, would you wanna work on? And then I showed her like, what do you think of this mark? And she says, well, that's an abduction mark. And I just sort of freaked out. It's like, cause it all came back. It must have happened that night where we felt weird. And then I called up my girlfriend and she was regressed and she said, yes, something happened and we were taken up. I mean, I didn't remember any of it because, and this is what I'm writing about in my next book. The trauma of reality not being what we thought it has been. And that's why I call my program new realities because I keep pushing to understand the nature of reality. And the nature of reality is nothing like we know. It's nothing like anything we understand. So there's trauma involved and the trauma is just when things are not what we thought they were. You know, reality is more solid than the ground beneath your feet. And when that starts to shake, you know, in California, it just throws your whole world off. And so when, so that's what freaked me out. How could I not remember what happened, but, and then I met Bud Hopkins. You know who Bud Hopkins is? Yeah, tell the audience. He's the Godfather, he's the one, he wasn't the first to notice the abductions phenomena. It was, that happened in 1961 with Betty and Barney Hill. Right. It was, they were an interracial couple, which I always think was interesting, traveling from Montreal back to Portsmouth, New Hampshire and they had four hours of missing time. And that became a case that I actually happened to read in Life Magazine, growing up on, no, it wasn't Life, it was Look, my family got Look Magazine. And I just want to say as an interesting sidebar here that even though I say, it was just several years ago when I woke up, when I look back on my history, what I realize is I was reading Whitley Streber's books as soon as they came out. I saw by accident the Barney and Betty Hill story with Esther. Yeah. And James Earl Jones. I mean, I was probably looking for like some music show on TV and that popped on and I couldn't leave the TV. I had to see the whole thing, blew my mind. I have a sister-in-law who's totally into this and she sent me tello's books. And so there are all these markers in my history that there was something desirous and connected to all of this, but it took a while till the rest popped. So huge movie and true story. But you know what, since you know, you only grew up a couple of miles from me in Long Island. Right? And Long Island is a real hotspot of UFO activity. Didn't I remember? Yes, yes. And I had early abduction before this 87. Does that send chills through you? Yes, I think you had it. Yes, I think so. Because I had some strange early experiences that I didn't really put together until the 1987 event, but I felt like there were times where I'm being pulled out of my body. There were red lights that seemed to come into my room. Yeah, just strange things happening there. Absolutely. And you know, along those lines, Alan, I also do some contact work with a woman who channels extraterrestrials. Who's that? This is Lisa Royal Holt. I know Lisa Royal is a huge star. I'd like to interview Lisa Royal. She's the one that starred the Lyrian Revolution with her Prisms of Lyra, you know? Well, I will introduce you. She's a dear friend and she's a nominal, beautiful human being. And one of the questions before I did, a couple of years ago before I did the first contact work, she asks questions of participants and it's very intimate. And one of the questions was, do you have lost time? And I had to think about that. I'm like, wow, that's so interesting. No one's ever asked me that. The truth is I don't remember most much of my childhood. It's just- Don't? No, I have reference points, maybe a few memories, but there's a lot I don't remember. And the other thing is going to bed was awful for me growing up because I would inherently turn over, look at the wall. And I can't tell you the things I saw that it was like a nightmare for me. It was so scary. Yeah, going to bed was very difficult. The dark- Me too, me too. I actually slept with the lights on and the radio on. And I could only actually fall asleep now, sometimes listening to the radio because, but no, I didn't like the lights being off and going to bed. So I think we'll probably grow up around the same time too, right? Definitely, oh my gosh. Yes. Maybe we're in the same ships. I think so. I think there were, you know, the Montauk project is not far from that part of Long Island might be, I know it's just, you know, in Suffolk County there, but that whole southern shore and the North Shore of Long Island was somehow, there were lots of ships sighted over there. There was a lot going on in the 60s and 70s, you know, particularly and into the 80s. I mean, lots of people I know have had experiences growing on Long Island, really. So it's my- So your girlfriend's regressed. Your girlfriend, now that girlfriend gets regressed. She comes back and says to you, yeah, something definitely happened. Yeah. You have a weird mark, prong in the back of your knee. Yeah. And how did your memory start to surface? Well, I have to say I was freaked out, but I did meet the guy who wrote the book on missing time, Bud Hopkins. That's his first book. He's the person who really said, oh, people have missing time. There might be a UFO related incidents, but I met the guy himself. And I told him about this and said, well, definitely. And there's other people very, you can even look online and it's just kind of freaked me out recently. But that is a good question because I have to admit, it took me 20 years to be regressed to the place where I went back to that incident where we're sleeping in my van and like, but I became obsessed with the subject in that 20 years time. It's like, first after being freaked out, like really, could this be true? I just, I have probably 2,000 books on the subject of UFOs. I look for every book, I went to every conference. That's how I got to know all the people I have in this book because they became friends, Linda Moulton-Howe and Whitley Streeburn, Grant Cameron and Nick Pope. You show up at enough conferences. You ask enough questions. It's like, who's this guy? Let's go out to dinner. It's like, it's more than just UFOs. We're talking about it. It's like, oh yeah, what's your family like? It's like, we become friends. So because I went to all these conferences and I wanted to know, because I was obsessed. What Grant Cameron says in my book, he gets you get sucked down the rabbit hole. Like, once you've had a sighting and I didn't have a sighting again. When did I have? I had a sighting in New York. It's like, there was this little light in New York City, really. And I thought I saw this little blue beam. And I say to myself, was that a blue beam coming out of that light? And when, as soon as I thought that, it happened again. And then I'm hanging out at some picnic and my friend who's had contacts says, you know, they're here. I said, where are they? And it's midday. And he says, they're right up there. And if I looked really high up there were these little silver dots in the sky that could have been balloons, but they were stationary and they weren't going anywhere. I mean, it's just, you can only look at these things for so long. And then I've had other sightings. And of course, just the other nights. Anyway, what are you asking? Yeah, weren't you also, because Whitley's been on the show like three times and, yeah, and he tells a story about this crazy talk about losing time that y'all went out, you drove out in a car and you were there. And you were going to some kind of a, I know it was like Native American event. And then you were going down some road and you had an experience, all of you together. Oh, it wasn't all of us. It was only Whitley. I'm sitting next to Whitley in the car and he goes, when I close my eyes, I feel like we're on a different, we're going down a different road. I'm seeing all these houses and these people. And he says to me, are you seeing this? And I say, no, I'm not seeing this. I close my eyes, but Whitley somehow connected with another dimension. But I was sitting next to, I mean, I don't think he was hallucinating. He was actually seeing what I think the ghost dancers we were in Pine Bush, South Dakota. And we're at a conference, a UFO conference in Pine Bush and we were just around where, you know, Wounded Knee. You know what Wounded Knee was? That was a massacre of Lakota people. And they were shot because they were trying to escape out of this dimension by doing the ghost dance. And the ghost dance, what I think was a portal opening to these other worlds. And I think somehow Whitley, because I respect Whitley and as one of the most lucid contactees around. He's going to be on my show this Thursday. I'll get to that. But he and Linda Moulton-Howe are going to be talking about their experiences in a really deep dive conversation. But so Whitley had these experiences because he's aware of these other levels. He says these beings have not left him since the time he wrote that book, Communion. So anyway, yeah, Whitley does tell that story. It didn't happen to me, but I was witnessing that. And I think it is a matter of sensitivity. I mean, when we train our sensitivity, we can see auric fields. We can, there's beings right here in front of us now that we're not seeing this because we have not been trained to see them. So this is what this acceleration and dimensional space is happening. That's why you woke up because you're evolving to a finer and finer frequency, maybe because of all the spiritual work, but you're starting to perceive other levels and then, boom, how could there not be other life in other worlds? Absolutely. And I want to say this for people who are listening. I think it's so important to hear. I also feel just listening to you, Alan, like a little bit of an ah-ha. I was too scared before. I was just so freaked out. You know, you read Whitley Strieber's stories of abductions, it's like, you see Barney and Betty Hill and they're abductions like, I don't want any of that ever. And I think I also saw dead people when I was very young and I went, click, let's shut that off. Aliens, click, let's shut that off. Not okay for me in this reality and just forge ahead. But when I became a woke, that was mostly my first conversations with people who are huge in this field. I was very honest about it. Right. And that was also a transformation over time for me to learn that in general, there was very little to be afraid of. And in fact, it was a massive contribution. Should I be lucky enough to have a connection, a relationship, you know, way more than a sighting, you know, that they have healing abilities. There's so many beautiful, beloved, celestial beings out there who are so aware of us and care so much. So that created this huge shift. And then I also want to reference what you said earlier about consciousness and choice and magic. And do you want prosperity or do you want to suffer basically? And I think even the same with UAPs and with extraterrestrials, it is, you know, we can actually invite in these beautiful experiences. And even someone like Whitley Streber case in point who started out being incredibly traumatized because his reality couldn't sustain that. And now over the years, this is one of the greatest experiences these connections he has on a almost daily basis with those from other worlds and parallel universes, et cetera, plus his wife who was passed to the other side. So even he has transitioned out of that fear trauma into this acceptance. And my God, thank you so much for all you've given to me in my life. Right. I do have to say, because you mentioned it and I was going to get back to that, you asked me when did I start to look into that? So I was freaked out and then became obsessed, but it was 25 years before I was actually regressed because I was like, do I really want to see what actually did happen to me? You know, so it took me all that time to work through my trauma to get a regression where it's like, oh, these beings show up at the back of the van. I have to say, when people say they are regressed, they are not, at least in my case, I'm not remembering what happened. Like it's something I remember. Oh, I did that yesterday. There's no conscious memory recall because we weren't conscious in the same way to begin with. So regression takes you back to an unconscious state. And it's hard to believe sometimes even your own projections, okay, I'm sort of remembering this, I'm seeing that, but I'm not remembering it because I didn't experience it because I wasn't conscious and we're only really remembering what's conscious. That's why we don't remember dreams, like they come in and out. But so I did have this regression and I did see these beings and it wasn't as weird as I thought. I said, oh yeah, they're friendly and they want to just check in and but it's more the idea of it. Really, so it took me a long time to get to that place where, and I only went there because I had met this guy from the Rentalist in Forest episode, Jim Pennington, who was touch the UFO while working for the Air Force. And he was so freaked out, he told me he had to take a sedative every night since then and that was like 1980 to like whatever it maybe is doing. And I said, well, if this guy is so freaked out just by touching a craft, I don't know, maybe I can deal with whatever happened to me. So that's when I decided to get regressed by hypnotherapists and they don't tell you what's happening. They say, okay, you're back there, what do you see? And then I start to see these beings that are odd, but in an altered state of conscious, if they were to show up here, I think we'd be freaked out, but it was in an altered state of relaxed state. I can't help but wonder when you tell this story, that this was Kismet, this was meant to be for your soul because your soul's mission is a big one in this life. Not just your radio show, not just your book, not just this five part video series, not just MCing. Like you have a huge presence, a known presence in this world and that you were being groomed in a way to have this voice for the work you're here to do and that they know. I think you're right. I mean, I feel like this is the most exciting thing I could do is look into this phenomena. I mean, who wants to be an accountant or everything you know, your parents on Long Island wanted you to be, doctor or lawyer or whatever those things are, what's more exciting than discovering the next level of reality as it unfolds and transforms human civilization? So, I mean, that's, yeah, it happened. And in my book in the second chapter, Grant Cameron says, if you've seen a UFO, if you've interacted with it, you were meant to see it. You are part of the phenomena. And we're part of the phenomena, Debbie, me and you and all the people listening. There's something really huge happening here to all of us at this time. And the government, they can deny it, but the way they're denying it is so obviously a lie that it's revealing the truth. So that's where we're at now. It took me all that time. And I'm just saying, I'm really excited about what the future holds for human beings, civilization, intellectual thinking, academic understanding, looking at the nature of reality. Who are we really? What is, how does the soul aspect of who we are interface with these other beings? And that's some of what I'll be talking about tomorrow night with our friend Whitley and Linda Moulton-Howe and Kamara Jones. And I'm doing this Making Contact series. It's a five-part series. And I'll show you my little trailer for that. You want to see how much- Awesome. So folks who are listening to the podcast as he gets it set up, just an FYI, if you'd like to actually see this, I urge you to go to youtube.com slash debbie dashinger so you can watch this, watch Alan and I. And also he's gonna give us a trailer of Making Contact right now. Right. This is a series. Is that on your screen? I see a little you, a little me and not the- You see a black screen? Black screen. That's the black screen. All right. Right. So, let me just check this out. This is a series based on my book with some of the writers from my book, but I wanted to go further than just the essays. I wanted people to really explain why we're interfacing, but this trailer doesn't go into any of that. It just tells you what's going on. So this is me from deep, deep and outer space to the planet Earth, to the red rocks of Sedona, to our online community here comes a time, a message, a special series on Making Contact. There is no better time for Making Contact. I'm George Norrie, host of the National Radio Show, Coast to Coast AM. Alan Steinfeld has put together a well-conceived collection that covers it all. Thanks, George, for that introduction. This is Alan Steinfeld, the editor and author of Making Contact, which is a collection of writings of the best and brightest people in the field of ufology. I'm putting together a special series of some of these fantastic contributors to my book. People like Whitley Streiber, Linda Molten Howe, Carolyn Corey, Nick Poe, J.J. and Desiree Hurtaque, Adam Apollo, the alien lady, Mary Rodwell and such contactees as Marina Seren and Kamara Jones and the art of Kamara Jones, plus some very special surprises in the field. Please join me for this fantastic series of dialogues as I dive deeper into anything I've done before. For more information and for a complete description of the five week course, go to makingcontactseries.com. George, any final comments? The contributions of all these people help to give insight into the multifaceted intentions of the phenomena because making contact presents the opportunity for us to prepare to meet advanced civilizations. Someday, somehow in the future, the conflicts that have plagued our species for eons will come to an end and by making contact, we will take our rightful place among the stars. The Making Contact series is presented by Alan Steinfeld and New Realities, Deborah Giusti and the Global Peace Tribe, in association with Neil Gar, Portal to Ascension and Star Family Wisdom. Join us for this online series, Making Contact, the New Realities of Disclosure and Cosmic Awakening, Thursdays beginning May 19th from 5 p.m. to 7 p.m. Pacific time. To find out more and to sign up, go to makingcontactseries.com. See you there. Okay. And just to let folks know, don't worry if you didn't catch the URL, I will have it in the show notes so you can have a clickable. And these shows are on replay. We've done three in the series. We're doing our fourth on June 16th and the final one on June 23rd. And this is not stuff that's gonna be on YouTube. A lot of people charge people and then they put on YouTube. No, this is private because the conversations go deep. And I think people who are only interested in this will wanna see this. It's not like, it's for the general public if the general public was interested, but they want like, if you ever watch Ancient Aliens, it's like little sound bites. It's like, I can't, it's a great show. And there's great stories on there, but it's like, let's really have a conversation about this. Like me and you are having. Like this. And go deeper into the subject. And I think, and I appreciate your insights into the phenomenon, your openness and the fact that there's something going on and the government has to lay it all out. This is what people in the field and this is what the series is kind of hinting at. Let's put it all out on the table. What do we know? What's going on? Yes, they're using a different set of signs. How is this gonna change science? I mean, it's obviously they're using a physics that's not Newtonian, not even quantum, not Einsteinian. It's something other, let's find out. Let's have a look. This is an opportunity for all of us to evolve, to evolve our civilization, to get rid of war and famine and poverty. I mean, I know it's idealistic, but I think this is what expanding and opening to these beings. And most people think, you know, even the government said, well, national security and you know, why aren't they going to invade and take us over? If they were gonna do that, they would have done it a long, long time ago. If they have that kind of technology with that kind of G-Force, et cetera, they can go for the sky and to the water and back again if they can stop nuclear missiles, which they've done. Yes. Hello, yes. They have easily the technology to wipe us out as well, but they need us. We are an integral part of the universe and other universes. So we shouldn't downplay that the madness humanity is creating right now against each other and to Mamagaya. It's felt everywhere. The impact is enormous. And so when you talk, Alan, about the US government, the US Congress is really holding back on UAPs, which by the way, folks, unidentified aerial phenomenon is a UAP. So what do you, from all your investigation from this book, from your interviews, what do you know or would recommend that people can do so that they can prepare for the new realities of extraterrestrial existence? That is a great question. Thank you. I also wanna say the reason they're calling these going from UFO to UAP, and that's a government rebranding. It's because, just a car going by here. Okay, we can still hear you, perfect. Okay, good. All right, that is a government rebranding because whatever these objects are, are not just objects. There's a phenomena involved. Like you said before, there's synchronicities. There's healings, there's telepathy that happens. There's some negative effects, not just the positive effects. Some people get radiation poisoning or burns and altered states of consciousness, negative, like distorted. Some people have very ill effects, but there's a phenomena happening that's beyond objects. So one of the things the government did do accurately was to rename this unexplained aerial phenomena because phenomena is definitely more about what's going on than just flying objects. These are not just flying objects. Yes, they're that, but there's so much more and they're, and it's like there's a paper out by the government. It was just released in the U.S. Sun, the neurological repercussions of why. So what was your question again? It was a good question, but what was it? Yeah, basically how do people prepare? You and I know this is the new reality. You and I know because more and more and more people are waking up and maybe seven years ago, this would have been like, let's talk about this under the table because we will look like freaks if we say this out loud to most people. Today, we're talking about a lot of people who are not aware of what's going on. So I'm going to say this out loud to most people. Today, I certainly am finding, I say this in places and I'm amazed at the amount of people who come out of the closet and say, yep, I believe or I've had an experience. I will tell you that I've actually had very, very well-known transformational people on the show that I've interviewed and I get a hit. And I'm like, first of all, this person's a hybrid. Or they have definitely had experiences. There's no way they know what they know without having contact. And I have been bold enough to ask on my show and people have said, God, I've never talked about this before, but actually, yes, indeed, I've had contacts. So this is new realities of extraterrestrial contact and beings. How can the normal-ish layperson prepare themselves for this occurrence? I also want to say, we're going to be at this conference, this outdoor event this Saturday, where it's going to be like 5,000 UFO, I wouldn't say fanatics, but advocates that are there just because this is the time. So the preparation is on many levels. First, just read the papers. The government is saying this exists. That's the first level. Okay, it exists. How do I see one? What do I do if I see one? Just go out at night and look at the stars. It helps if you have night vision goggles, which amplify the light. They're military equipment, but they sell them online. You look at the sky on a really dark night somewhere outside of Los Angeles with night vision goggles. You'll see so many more stars and you'll see little things that seem to change direction and travel together. They're not just satellites. And then practice in terms of meeting, actually meeting, practice lucid awareness. Like in your dream states, practice being conscious in your dreams because, and that's one of the reasons I think Whitley's had so much contact is because he does a meditation twice a day where he practices his lucid awareness is, what does he call that? The awareness meditation or something, but anyway, he's practicing that and I think that's one of the reasons. So the more lucid you can stay in your dream states, the more this interface with these other realities can occur and that's another way. And just know the preparation is in knowing. Joe Dispenza says you need the knowledge before you have the experience or else if you have the experience you don't know what to do with the knowledge. Or you don't, if you have the experience, yeah, you need the knowledge sometimes as a preparation. So this book is a preparation because we're looking at the whole field. So just read a bunch of books, read what people have said, read what they've experienced. You don't have to be traumatized when you meet an ET because it's like truth goes through three levels. This is a famous quote by the German philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer. He said, truth, first it's ignored, then it's ridiculed and then it's self-evident. Well, we're out of the ignored stage, we're in sort of the ridiculed stage, we're coming out of that. And I think we're moving into the stage where, well, why wouldn't there be life? What is the big secret? What is so weird that there's, if you were sitting on a little island and you saw an island in the distance would you think that only your island had life and trees and bugs and plants and all those things? No, what's here is everywhere as, I mean, there's nothing unique. I mean, it's a beautiful planet. I love this planet, it's one of my favorite planets. But I'm sure there are some amazing planets, other places and like I said, we are not coming from a dead universe. We are not a freak of nature. I don't know that for sure, but science talks like it's a fact. Oh yeah, life evolved from this protoplasm and they don't know, they've never made life in a laboratory by sparking amino acids with electrical pulses and have them duplicate. No, I think life is an emergent property of existence itself and consciousness is the great force. Consciousness is the essence of this universe and this is what all the great physicists have said. Max Planck, Einstein, they've all said it's consciousness that is primary. Consciousness is the ground of all beings. So we may have descended from a greater consciousness or we may be a fractal of that greater consciousness but that consciousness is not isolated to this blue, watery planet on the outskirts of the Milky Way. I wanna say too, just to tag Riff on what you're saying right there, if it helps people at all to know this, it's actually not an other because based on everything I know, my DNA, which you are saying is extremely ancient as is yours and everybody else's, doesn't come from Earth. It isn't an album of all the many, many species and planets my soul has been connected with. Well, maybe not the DNA, but what you understand what I'm saying, it is ancient. No matter what, my soul has been around not just on this planet but many planets. So I can't say to an extraterrestrial, to an alien, air quotes, that you're different than me because I actually am you. Energy is everything, energy is everywhere. I was you in another life, in a parallel life, in another universe, et cetera, at one time or another and you were me. Exactly. So we are truly all connected and it's interesting because there's so much intolerance on this planet as it is, different genders, different races, different colors, different sexual choices, insane, as though anyone is better than the other, not. And that even goes out to other planets and other beings and species. What if there are beloveds? What if they're really here to help us? What if our souls in other lifetimes were truly connected to them and begging them at some level to come help us at a time when we're transitioning and we could use the help? Thank you. That is a beautiful epilogue. You're absolutely right because that's why they're here. We are in need. We're destroying our planet. We don't know who we are. On a soul level, when you meet these others, they are equal to us. They may have greater technology. They may be more intelligent, but they're not greater than us. That's what we have to remember. That's the big preparation. When they stand there in front of you and emanate a feel that might be overwhelming, on the soul essence level, they are equal to this essence, to that essence. There's nothing to be freaked out about. We are them, like you said, and they are us, and this is the evolution of human species. When we realize that we're part of a greater family, just think of the rewriting of history, of possibilities. This is the most exciting time in human history where we're right there. We're right on the threshold of meeting the other and integrating ourselves into, what Captain Kirk calls, star dates. What is the real history of Earth and humanity and the evolution, and where are we going, and how can help from these cosmic families benefit us? Because we're still making war with each other. We're still destroying, we're still drinking out of plastic bottles. We're still shooting each other. I mean, it's like, it's so primitive that they're waiting for us to grow up, wake up, and clean up our mess. It's like your mother saying, you're not gonna get pumping until you clean up your room. That's really what happens here, so. I love that. I wanna just repeat that. They're waiting for us to grow up, wake up, and clean up. That's like, beautiful little monster, right there. Oh, that just came to me, but it seems like they're waiting for, and they're slowly making itself evident that we're not alone. And you talk to people who are not trying to protect the secret, and there's people in government that are pushing for this, too. Luisa Alizando, there's a Republican who, you know, from, where's he from? Tennessee, Tim, Tim, Bershet? Something like that. But he's saying, no, we demand the truth. Andre Carson of Illinois, what's her name? Kristen Gillibrand has a whole office of UFOs. So, you know, there's people pushing for transparency and we're not getting this. We have to push harder. Let's talk about this at Disclosure Fest, but. Yes, and so that is what Alan was alluding to. He will be speaking on stage. I will be there as well in Los Angeles this weekend, Disclosure Fest out in a historical park. I'm so looking forward to it and to hearing you speak. And I have two quick personal questions to ask you here at the end, Alan Steinfeld. And the first is New York Post. I found a rendition of this newspaper with you, make it, in a bathtub, in an apartment. In my apartment. Yes, you are a feature article. What was that? Well, I've been living in my apartment for a long time. I'm not that long. It was built in the 1890s, but they were looking for old style New York apartments with a bathtub in the kitchen. And someone I knew, someone at the post said, oh yeah, cause I've had lots of company there and people. And they came up to my apartment and they said, how do you like bathing in your kitchen? I say, that is the most civilized place to bathe. Do you want to bathe where you go to the toilet? How primitive and barbaric is that? So yeah, so I have this bathtub and I still have that apartment and it's fun. So yeah, they featured me there in a little article it was during COVID and I had calls from all over the country. He said, oh yeah, I've been in that bathtub. It was just really fun. It was a kind of uplifting story during a not so uplifting time. And it did get around that story. How did you find that? Oh, I researched you quite a bit before you came on the show. And so there were many factoids that came up that were awesome. Thank you, thank you, thank you. But you didn't know I grew up in Wanto, did you? No, so Alan and I, it turns out have discovered I grew up in a town called North Belmore. He grew up in Wanto, like about a mile from each other. Yes, yes, at the same time. Yes, yes, yes, so. Alan, this is Dare to Dream. What are you next, Dare to Dream? What are your future dreams and goals? Well, it's along these lines. How do we, because this book is an introduction. How do we really understand something that's beyond our level of cognition? So new realities is about I dream of new realities. What does that mean to meet the unknown? How do we prepare ourselves for something we have no context for? And we do that by just opening our minds and not being attached to the known and letting the impossible. Everyone fears the impossible because they think it's awful, but that's only the possible, that's only the known. The unknown, it's full of miracles and surprises and yet to be imagined possibilities. So I'm dreaming of pulling in a greater awareness of the next level of reality that is at our doorstep. And how will that change us fundamentally as human beings? How will it expand our intelligence, our knowledge, our awareness? What will that do to our relationships with each other and our understanding of time and space? We think those are absolute fixtures, but maybe they're just an aspect of the conscious mind. So there's so much to discover. So I'm there looking forward every day. What's the next thing to discover? So I'm dreaming of the unknown. Beautiful. Thank you so much for doing the work you do and spearheading and being so brave. Courage means in spite of fear. And I don't know if you ever felt fear, but allowing yourself to live out loud and sing the song you came here to sing. Oh, that's beautiful. Thank you. I've always been excited. The only fear was like, oh my God, did I get abducted? And then I worked through that, but it's like, okay, what's the next level? What is it? So it's really not, I mean, yeah, maybe, no, I don't think it's, well, something might say courage, but I just follow my excitement as Bashar says, right? Follow your excitement and it will lead you everywhere. Hmm, beautiful, beautiful way to end this. Thank you. And beautiful note to everyone and a reminder to also follow your excitement and whatever is your mission to do and be here on this planet at this auspicious time. If you wanna find out more about Alan, go to youtube.com slash new realities. His book is making contact. And I will have the URL for the making contact video, five part series, highly recommended. Most of the people in his book and also in this video series have been on the show. So I know you guys love these people. Definitely worth it. I've been watching it myself. And I end the show with this quote from physicist Stephen Hawking. I believe alien life is quite common in the universe, although intelligent life is less so some say it is yet to appear on planet Earth. Subscribe to this number one transformation conversation, the weekly dare to dream podcast with Debbie Dashinger. Leave me a message, comment. I read all of them and I get back to you. And I've got coming up next week, Dr. Megan Rose, who is a psycho spiritual counselor and director of the Enthesious, Enthiosis, excuse me, Enthiosis Institute. She and I are gonna be speaking about her book, Spirit, Marriage, Intimate Relationships with Other Worldly Beings. Thank you so much for joining us today. Remember to follow your excitement and dare to create all your dreams into your reality.