 I've got a couple of questions for you, Cal. First, we, the same dog, how did you beat him? He's off the batter, just go for broke. I don't think it's a red card, but that's my opinion. Football is about contact, football is about tackling, you know, and things like that. So if that's a red card, people are going to get it sent off every game, which is not what we want to see. It had a big effect in the game. But from that moment, you know, I've got to give credit to my players because I thought the 10 men fought like they need to fight in a game which really had nothing on it for us other than to try and get points on the board. But I think we've done ourselves a lot of good and proud today with 10 men, especially. Well, Bernie and Brutty were exceptional against Brisbane three days ago. Obviously, Bernie scored and Brutty has been in a good vein of form. So, you know, you get asked this question all the time as a manager that why don't you continue to play the players that are in form? Those two had played very, very well. Obviously, Jimmy and Scotty come off the bench tonight and had a huge impact. They got different profiles to the other two players that started and based upon the dynamic of the game due to the sending off. Obviously, it worked because we needed different types of profile in those players, but they certainly made a big difference. Yeah, listen, football is pretty simple. It's about being organised and structured and from your frameworks that you defend, then you obviously try and find a way to attack, whether it's down the sides through the middle, create overloads in whatever areas you want to depend on the system you play. We didn't change our shape. We went from a back five to a back four because we were down to 10 men. We kept our midfielder three in our front two and it worked because we did have guilt edge chances and, you know, Tommy hit the bar, I think, on a breakaway transition, which you'll get when you play against 11 because the 11 feel more under pressure to try and win the game rather than the 10. Scotty Mack had a good chance and much he had a golden chance, which probably just sums it up our season. We defended really well, gave away two bad goals, scored two goals and had great chances to win, but unfortunately it wasn't going to be our night today. You're welcome, Val. Can't under pressure early. I obviously got a goal early, but then you guys got your shots back into the game. What turned for you, because obviously the goal against the modern player was it coming just before that as well? They started very well, which I expected them to. You know, it's a home game for them, which they need to win to try and cement their place in the playoffs and full credit to them. They started very, very well. I keep her to make two or three good saves. So that happened. We needed to weather that storm and then they scored the goal, probably which they deserved through an own goal. It was a poor clearance by us. Then we settled down a little bit and got into our groove. We want to play a certain way and we do play a certain way. And once we were able to string a couple of passes together and control the rhythm of the game, then we got our goal. Although that was a bit fortuitous as well with I think it was an own goal or Bruce will try and claim it, but it was a good period of play. And then from then we kicked on again. Got our second goal, which was good. And then obviously the dynamic of the game changed. Last game of the season for you guys, satisfied with the performance, the red card aside, satisfied with the fairness of fans, you're going to be happy with that. Yeah, listen, brilliant fight from the ten men. Whenever you go down to ten men, you do whether you keep your same shape at two blocks of four, which is a common thing, or you go 4-3-2 and we went 4-3-2 because we wanted to try and win the game. And even though there was nothing on it for us, other than getting points, we wanted to put on a good show. And I think we did that with our football, but also with our fight as well. So it's not the ending we wanted. We wanted to make the top six. That was our aim at the start of the year. Obviously we've fallen a couple of points short. We have to accept that. We have to analyse it. We will. I'll strip it down to the bare bones, trying to find what I need to do to move forward in relation to getting it right for next year. But we've got some foundations in place. We just need to build on them foundations and we'll come back stronger next year. Correct. You can come sit on my bench every week because that's all coaches want. You don't want coaches talking about referees, but they do every week. It's not just me because it happened to me today. It's every week. I think Karl asked for a non-South Australian referee. So we got one and obviously I got punished today. But it's the same thing. Consistency is the word and they don't like using that. They don't like the word consistency because it leaves it open. Well, coaches ask and crave consistency from their players. And if the players aren't consistent, they don't play. We just want that from referees and linesmen and fourth officials as well. So I agree with your statement there. That's not mine. You can get fined. It's it. Listen, we've shown at times this year we can fight probably not enough because we've fallen a little bit short. But when the chips are down and you find out about people, you don't find out about people when you're winning games of football or week in, week out and everything's rosy and everyone's singing your name and good stuff about you and your newspaper. You find out about yourself when you're back against the wall and there's a little bit of feeling where you have to show what you're about. And you can't instill it in players, this fight and this determination and desire. And I say to the players, I can't make you do it. But you'll realise when you step out of the game what it's about and why you need to have that in you in your make-up. And especially these young Australians that want to go to Europe. It's a very, very hard world over there in Europe and you have to understand that you have to have that in you because if not you get left behind. So obviously foundations in place for young players here is really important. They're playing lots of game time, lots of talented youngsters here at the moment, but the simple fundamentals of come to work every day, learn, make yourself better, try harder, get fitter, get stronger, all these things and then get some games. That's what it's about. And Bruce Mao, another excellent performance I thought tonight. He has been, I don't know, recently linked away with the move overseas. Is he someone though that you want to keep around and definitely build around for next season? Yeah, listen, Bruce has been exceptional. First of all, he's a brilliant person. I've got all the time in the world for good people because when you meet good people and good players, who are good people, you want them to do well and you have a special bond with them. I've got a special bond with Bruce. I think he's been phenomenal this year, he really is. I think he's been enjoyable to watch as a neutral as well. Getting the rewards with his goals, but he doesn't complain, comes to work every day, trains hard, gets his head down. The thing this year I think is we've been able to manage his training loads because I think in the previous seasons he's been injured a lot and obviously putting him in a position where he's able to show his ability. A free Roman role at certain times in this number 10 and I think he's nearly hit double figures in goals. So I don't know what the future holds for Brucey. We'd love to have him here at this football club next year, our football club next year, if he goes to Europe I understand that as well because every player wants to go and play over there but it's not as easy as what people think. Obviously tonight was the last kind of the season but have you started looking at some of the adjustments you want to make next year too? Yes. I've done that a while ago as well. So you have to be pre-planning in this game. Obviously you can't set your eye off the ball which we haven't but you have to be ahead of the game. If you're not you miss out, you have to put foundations in place. What we've done this year with the football club is we've played a lot of young players and I know it's the narrative that people like using around the league at the moment. Australian coaches or foreign coaches and I'm the only foreign coach I know that that want to play these young Australian players. Well I've done that. Players that have not even played in my MPL team have played over 20 games, two or three of them. Daniel Margoosh is the prime example. He's had seven games in his whole career. He's played 26 games in the A League this year. So sometimes that has hurt us because we've had four at the back six are very, very young in their first season of professional football but they'll be stronger for it next year. They'll be better for it. Added with a couple of additions, we know that. So there's lots of work to do. Yes, planning is in place. Am I going to tell you who I'm signing? No. But it'll probably get leaked out because unfortunately everything gets leaked out these days. We obviously with tonight you said foreign football wasn't in the picture for you and there's more about the points. On the one side, midweek football, travelling, are you a fan? Do you think it's obviously this year's happened because of COVID or the fixture is scheduling but could it be something for the A League in the future? Playing in midweek, you mean? Yeah. I love more games. I think you need more games. 26 games is great but it's not enough. You want to see players perform. You've got squads of players and you want these young boys to play. You need more games. There's no reason why there can't be 30-plus games in a season. It means playing everyone three times and it's 33-odd games and that's the way forward because you can't try and sell something that you want young players to play and have not enough games from. There's a mixture between the A League season and the MPL season and if A League players have got contracts and they're ending then they don't continue to play in the MPL. It's not right. You've got to give these kids the best chance. You've got to look at the countries I believe that are successful at promoting young players, producing young players and giving game time to young players. So a simple thing for me would be to play more games but I'm used to 46 games a season. In MI6 34-plus players it was 40 games so 26, for me, is not enough. It's not enough for the players. I think the players can do more. There's a long time. You have 12, 14 weeks per season. It seems after the Euro we'll have three weeks per season. So you can get yourself fit. You've got to look after your body when you're on holiday with the family. That's the important thing but more games for me is the most important thing for the development of these young players. I know the Wanderers fans are quite demanding as a fan base but do you see this as in your tenure like a first stepping stone this season and then to build on next season and just gradually get better? Yes. It's not what I wanted. The aim was to get into the finals football. We've not done it for the last three years so that makes it four years. So with being a part of a football club any football club is pressure. If you can't handle the pressure you don't want to listen to what people say about you. Don't be a coach. You have ups and downs through your journey as well. You stick to your processes. You stick to your belief but you've got to have a plan as well. And I said from day one when I walked in this would be my plan. I would put foundations in place. I would play young players. I'd make big, big decisions at this football club and I think you've seen that throughout the season that certain players haven't played for a reason. Young players have continued to grow. But I'm a disappointed yes I am because I thought we could have got there and should have got there this year. Dropped too many points. Silly, silly positions. Unfortunate decisions from outside things but I can't control that. Can we be better at set pieces? Defending yes. 100%. Conceded too many goals of set pieces. Given six penalties away with most in the league that's a little bit unfair but I don't give the penalties.