 Captain's Mark obviously alluding to the fact that Everton have had quite a few different captains already this season. Tom Davies seems to be in vogue at the moment as he's asked if it. Obviously we've had James Coleman, Jack Ylch y Day 1, Gilfy. Coleman, Jack Ylch y Day 1, Gilfy. As he's rightly said, so I mean he talks there in the video mark about the importance of a captain. Obviously you know mentioned Dave Watson, mentioned Kevin MacLeod back in the day. I mean what's your view on the role of a captain nowadays? Yeah I think obviously it's changed hasn't it? Back in the day I think the captain was doing that by example from a physical point of view. I think so, a lot of them the captains that you think back you're very keen, you're very serious and obviously for us you know you're Watson, you're very sensitive. Leave by example from a physicality point of view and that's gone from the game now you're not allowed to put those type of tackles in. So I think the role's definitely changed but it still doesn't for me doesn't mean that the person needs to be a natural leader as a person. And again I think that goes on and off the pitch. I think if the person leads just by example in terms of what the club means and everything that it means to be a captain needs to be transferred off the pitch as much as on it. And I think you need one person and not be changing it every week or every couple of weeks for me. I mean who would you, out of our current squad who would you? I think that's where we struggle isn't it? I think we struggle with that. I think personality wise I've had Pickford but he's rolled on the pitch probably doesn't. For me I just don't think a goalie should be a captain I don't know but from that character he's got the will to win and you know he's shot. Yeah and gives it large so I think for me he's probably the player from a characteristic point of view but other than that I think we're struggling. It's probably the position we struggle with. We need natural leader. Not Coleman. A lot of what he does I would say transfers to being a captain obviously from for the club and the fact that the fans are so behind and what not. But I think when he's had it and I don't know if it's just coincidence but when he's had the captain's arm and he doesn't seem to perform as well I don't know if the pressure of it gets a bit to him. I don't know whether he takes to it as well. It is a difficult one because I think probably the last kind of vocal captain we had was probably Phil Neville who would challenge the referee and ask for things. I don't think we do that well enough as a team. I think and I know we probably need someone who will do it because nowadays the refs are only saying to everyone at all to the captains anyway don't they? Because I just see other teams refereeing the game. Mark Noble refereed that game you're a wee. It was in the captains and the referees are here all the time and for years they've been here and refereed the derby didn't they? And there's all of that. Everton haven't really had that. I don't think. I mean Phil Neville was a vision of that but even he was too accept and I think something like that. The only one that we've had and I think he had there for a couple of games was Rooney. I mean if he was still here now he'd be an actual one. He's the one I think. And again he shouldn't be like that but let's just be feeling it anyway. The referees are a little bit in all of them. And I think that's where we're lacking. We haven't necessarily got that at the minute and I think the captain's armban for us is a tough one. It's just ironic that he's never seen him touch a ball for us but Meena feels like he could be the type of character just from what he's seen in the World Cup and what he was like with the Colombies. But then again I suppose the English thing and Silly can speak flu into English. I think that man's that. I know what you mean. But then that leads me onto my next point was and Marco Silva kind of said it the other day because they were asking him about Tom Davis. He's the right person to be the captain at the moment. But it shouldn't matter who's the captain because we should have more than one person anyway. And it's right I think more players need to lead by example. More players need to be getting in people's faces and pulling each other in. Because as a team you know you're playing footy. As a team you should all be pulling the same way anyway. If someone's not doing it then you should be telling the machine that someone put a clip on being sports, Ritchie Key's demonstrating. He knows absolutely nothing about football again yesterday with the chat about Roy Keane. With Andy Gray and Jason McHathay. He actually managed to put more than one sentence together. I was amazed. I was amazed. But they were talking about Roy Keane as a captain and a leader and worried they would grab you in all of that and pulled you through games. Ritchie Key's was like yeah but was he a good footballer? Yeah Ritchie Key was one of the best. But it was that kind of character and there isn't as many of those people around nowadays you think in the Premier League. John Terry's a tired now. He was one who I think was a lead by me example but also if it's anything going off I'm in there. Go through the teams. Where have they all gone? You know when you look now I mean Arsenal. Have Arsenal gone anyone like that? Not really. They haven't have they. You go through space. Harry Keane's captain. He leads by what he does. Golba has an everything. Is he vocal? I don't know. I think he's played against England that one as well of course. So you go through the inside. United haven't really got one. Who would you say United he wouldn't? Pogba's something. You go well. Pogba's not going to do with his ear. So there is a lack. Liverpool have got Henderson when he plays. And I would say he's probably the one. He's more in that mould. He will have a convincing company. He does a brilliant league for Manchester City. But he does it all. He's the one who will do it. So I'd say for me though at the Premier League at the minute I think Henderson is good at what he does. Because he is a referee in the game. He's in the referee's area to complain. Company does a brilliant league for Manchester City. Because I think you do need someone who will go to the referee and go what's going on. I don't get that from Jax. Jax has been a great player for us. He has. He's coming to the end but he's been a great player for us. But I think he just plays his game. He might have a little moan but he's not in the referee's face. I think he's just a good respectable footballer. I think Coleman seems like he would be that natural fit to have a go at the bottom. Again, like you've just said, the times he's won the armbann this season he's been under par. I just don't think she must have started the season very well at all. I don't know whether it's easy to say since that leg break he's not the same. But I've seen him play some fabulous games last season. The first game back he was incredible. So I think it's probably just that he tends to be a slow starter, she must have the season. And then he builds the momentum and gets better and better and better.