 Welcome back. Welcome back. How are you doing? I hope you are, you so far you have enjoyed the show. Yes, we are on the tail end of the show and we are discussing about in the Swalitunu, Lisa, pallet social media, Y254 channel is the social handle to use. The hashtag is why mourning to Meku Lisa. Okay, good morning. Nijobs kamagani uneza pata bila degree. Yes, nijobs kamagani uneza pata bila degree. Degree. Let me sum for one or two before I introduce my guest that I have with me when you're inside. We are here for discussion. Well, what do you wanna say ma, Boniface, Gidrinjil, sumo aya Sakaja, Natuna, Joa Mali, Hif, Tori, Natoka. So we'll get into it. Sumi Wendati, I wanna say ma, degrees hold nowadays during the kwa kazi na school dropout. Usichezena ni. Lucy Yamusho, I wanna say ma, Kenya, okay, in your politics when sumi hi yo. Hadia to the sumo, when ya degree, hawa na kazi na when ya kazi, hawa na degree. If you don't get it, forget about it. Yami donmi ma, Lisa. The hashtag to use is why mourning at Y254 channel. If you've tuned in, we appreciate you. I'm going to read the comments later on, so keep them coming. But now I am joined, I am joined with two amazing gentlemen. I have Peter Pash on my father's end there, and Raymond Mude. Twanzelana ni Peter Pash, introduce yourself. Videographer, a student, ya, and a writer. Videographer, a student, and a writer. Ya. Okay, kuna bitumabu, okay. Uta tami ya kwa ya ni degree, hawa jatene kwa rei. Do ya kwa ni gali? Good morning. My name is Raymond, and I'm a student of journalism and mass communication, a finalist student, as well as a voice of artist. A finalist, okay, and you have a nice voice, so that makes sense. Thank you. Okay, so Twanbe, na, yo posiyo niyo degree, so kwa ita upi kuna una degree ni important to get a job. It is very important, especially when you are studying for what you like and what you want to pursue in life. I think education is a no brain, kama una taku posiyuki tu flani, you want more information about it. For me, I've always had an interest in media, so I wanted to get that level of education niye, ita alaw niende kupasiyu una get. So, as in, akuna wanyu tani ambiya, okay, passion sometimes supersedes education. Okay. You get, but then I think education is primarily very important, ya. Nesa, una sumia journalism, and then there's also the voice over. So voice over kuna, in any degree? Voice over itaji degree, in itaji a good voice, the passion and the skill and the commitment. But then there are schools, there are talent schools that offer education about voice overs. Okay. And I think if you had a chance, why not? So why not? Why not? Okay, so you need a bit partial, you can, you sell as well. Yeah. Okay. And for you, Peter Pash, almost sounds like Peter Pash, passion isn't that for real. Yeah, yeah. So Pash. So almost some of you are a videographer, you are a writer? Yeah, yeah. And a? Student, yeah. And that's it. Aha. So degree ni important kutafra job? Yeah, degree, it's a must. Kwanini, kwanini na kuna tawama job bila degree? I think it's known everywhere like you have to study for you to acquire job in maybe in a specific field, company. I think since we started from high school, unasomu kikam kupasiyu in college maybe a degree am a diploma, so that after that utaka maybe kupata a kus job in that specific field umesoma. So I bet for ni ni, in Kenya degree it's a must, but it's not a guarantee uta pata job na if ya. I like that. Samus, but it's not a guarantee. It's not a guarantee. Uta pata job. So, because before to dwell on that, to get a story a sakaja ki dogo. Wachama, ime kravanskwa social media and everything. Do you think it's important to have a degree when pursuing a political sense kama ya gavan na ni lasma bidewi? You see, ok see, lasma una jyoko ni ni. Kwa sababu, I think the will of the people at some point in a supersede your personal qualifications. But then as according to section 22 of the elections act of 2011 ina se ma lasima when you are vying you present your educational certificates including the key word is including a degree certificate you get. So that aside being a lead that does not require you to be educated you get. But then it is very important for the public to have representation of someone who has some understanding, some education. Kwa sababu, kuna wili uta ni ambiya uto ato ato mtu kwa streets, umpele ke akaongi kwa mezene 80% of the people have degrees, masters and PhDs. It is a 50-50. It is a 50-50. So I learned friend, I love the way you quoted the question. But do I say? But you say and you Peter Pash, what do you think about it? Ni lasma mtu neza kwa kasa kaja, some people have different opinions for him and they are saying he will deliver, he will take nero be where it should be. So now he has been amiku baliwa with IBC but still he is under investigation with DCI over so we can't really tell about his certificate whether it is legit or not. But in the case that if it isn't at all, kuna watu anya kwa fuhim bado, awa chwa patiwe bado anya kwa kuran for the government seat. Wenge na kwa like apana, he's not supposed to run because it's a requirement and he doesn't have it. Siran, what do you think? I think as my friend has said, leadership is quality. A leader uta umjua with the qualities. But still I think it's good to have a leader who is educated. You can't tell me you can't come and implement and interpret loss kwa jasoma. And you are the leader. You can't come and say aji ikweivi naivi naivi yetu jasoma. So we need people who are educated, who know about the law, siku ijuwatu but still they have learnt about it. We need leaders when one is to guide. I get your point. Because there's also learning on the job. Uli isoma mahali and then you can drop out second year. And then now umekuja, you know about your job because the degree doesn't have to be echo in a specific area, in a specific discipline. So any degree. You own a job outlaw, you know about leadership, you know about government. So umelan on the job you've been there as a senator for Sakaja. So why does he need the degree? Also I'll mention what he said. For you to be a leader, you need a bachelor degree in a specific field. It's a requirement. So to follow to law? Ya, for you as a leader, mostly atakukon experience, it's good. Experience is good but still you need to be learned. I think you need to be learned for you to lead the people in the right way and in a meaningful way. I'm not saying that kawjasoma will lead people but I think the educated ones are more exposed. And you share the same opinion? I'm listening to him speak and I say it is a requirement and find it is a requirement. But then if the law cannot work in our favor, why then should we implement it? I'm not sure if it will be in 2,000 January. It's been going on for so long since when it was put into law. And now this now is a requirement. I find the way we implement laws in Kenya being very funny. We implement laws in our favor but sometimes they don't. So in education, I think it is a requirement to work in our favor sometimes to come because we are moving towards a tech-savvy generation. Now get some time ita fika. We are moving to high school and we have packages. We are moving to high school and we have coding. The world is changing. We need people in parliament to represent the new generation. We need to take farming in our area. So you want to push bills in parliament. We need to take. But we need to take education in our area. We need to get. We need to have a background in farming. But you can't actively push these bills or laws on the agenda of parliament. Because it is a requirement. What it entails. So both of you are for education as a requirement. And now there are leaders that are already there. Is it just in politics? Leadership and politics are my leadership in all areas. Then you need maybe Kwaasi or something. Zota, you need a degree. What do you think? I think COZOTE. What is the exception? I will say if you are a business person. You have your own business. I will basically say you are my leader. And if you make it big. You will be a CEO without a degree. But still a CEO with good leadership qualities. And what? You are leading your people in a good way in your own institution. But without a degree. In the same field. But aparta pia you need to lead your organization. See? See same. And the person with the income, you need a degree. But maybe you have an experience and you need to fill that out. So I think some of those feel I am major. You can't tell me a doctor. I will be treated with a doctor but I will be treated with a doctor and I will be treated with a mother. So if it's a doctor and he knows what he is doing he or she but pia you can't tell me that's why you find even in churches and other institutions like churches, let me use churches we'll find even a bishop or a pastor and maybe a degree in the theology and stuff. Because you need to be exposed in this field. And you Ray what do you think in all areas of leadership in terms of degree? I still maintain my word it is not all areas that require degree. But I will say in all areas you need to be in leadership because you can't tell me where you are I don't know How do you trust There was this case there is a doctor in Eldoret I can't remember the name but it was a case this doctor has done with a rogue degree My goodness In this society there is a metric of comparison this is what we need to compare you against that's why you share your degree but the most important is that if you have a degree you need to have a degree a degree is a metric it's sort of a balancing weight if you have a degree you can have a degree and then as a electorate we then decide from those that are qualified you get the same as I can lead leadership is something that stems from inside I want to mention some of the leaders without a degree some big names like Bill Gates was the founder of Microsoft he is the most famous entrepreneur without a college degree he started in Harvard and then drop out in second year Microsoft and we have so many Mark Zuckerberg but you've said it right degree is a leadership leadership that comes from within so now back to you Pichaa what jobs do you have for your degree what is acceptable for your degree I think mostly the technical ones you need a degree in the technical the things you can do with your hands you can observe and do them maybe for a doctor you need to know to learn the whole human body and stuff but I feel the technical causes basically those are the skills if you instill the skills an experience I don't think you need a degree you need to be perfect in that field I'll say maybe I've seen even most directors film directors writers they don't have a degree in directing or in writing it's just they do it today they do it tomorrow the day after tomorrow in fact they are perfect they are even more better than this in schools because more theory more theories but mostly the person who is technical who is those guys when I was a kid I never seen those but that kid at the end of the summer I started learning maybe degree in journalism and stuff technicalism mechanic but at the end of the summer before me the person waiting to graduate the person waiting to deal with all these theories so I believe the causes that you can instill skills the technical ones you don't need a degree you can just go practice I use the doctor I use the doctor when I go to school I write I write but I don't have a camera I don't know what to do I try something else and you learn it I believe the technical ones I can do them without a degree I think the conversation runs deeper than just having a degree because we need to tailor these courses so we need to be specific for these skills some artisan courses technical courses don't require you to have a degree but if at all there is a way we can train these people specifically for what they study then we can eliminate the need to have a degree if I was for instance today but today we have a four year course and it is a mix of so many things let us specialise if you are doing mechanical engineering specialise in one area exhaust it completely so when it comes to comparing degrees we can say um say fuli qualified for whatever he he is practising say oksa matuati at nilenda nika sumia during this administration there has been so much empowerment of tivet kwa sababu oto me kujaku realise tivet is ina instil more skills than just normal degrees jumi za kwa na degree na kuna kitu ina kusengen naya pa hindi mimi nilingi yashule first year I was doing like I think three units communication skills quantitative skills one and two through the first year and I mean in the field of journalism I am not saying they are not important they are very important they are basic but then if we could cut down on this time and instead focus on the main thing that is what tivet does for kama ni journalism una kuta wana ingia two direct kama ni radio production by the time wana ingia kuk job market wana kukosa don't you think that exposes you to a larger scope and you can do that in case of this fails I learnt about that kwa na kitu iginene za fall back on sayizi dunia sayizi ina takamsia kwa specific if you are not intentional with what you do it is very hard to succeed in today's world but do you think it's the same you agree you have to have a stand so one ze two na kitu na takato kama ni journalism una taku fanya kumijo reporting summer here but ok I would disagree but you make me see kwa fanya we not saying it is bad it's bad kujwa no but it's good if you choose to be a reporter spend your time on it okay and what has been going on ni ni storya sakada to bad bad end of proof do you think we need proof as a degree holder especially now when you want to go for the political seats ni ni and all these things going around kuna witnesses salimiana classmates and bla bla bla what did you take on that proof proof is important especially for us who come from backgrounds in education it's like kitu ya marazana my friend you need proof I love kuna wanyu I used to go to university for 4 years but now I have to go to that na the digital generation we have a business but I still have enough it can't be anything so ni ni nantaka kama ni ni in case ni kuna kuna wanyatu ipe peta umalisha document but when a son went forage So, what is proof enough? I believe it's because of the recieps from school. But you can't even... Oh, but a reciep could have gone to Shule. But the system in Shule, it's because of the recieps that I was born. You see, the system will run my names through if I've been there. Or even if I go for five years. When I come back, I say I was here in 2020, the system will bring it out here. But it's because of the recieps that I was born. So, documentation, I can go for it. I will bring it. I will go for it. Maybe I will confirm. Okay. So, I will tell you what I want to tell you before I come to you to close this. I want to tell you what I want to tell you. M.C.A. Senator, M.P. and Nerobe Governor. So, I use these jobs. I want to tell you how much I love you. I want to tell you how much I love you. I want to tell you how much I love you. I agree. Well, we can say that you are very political. Out of our language kind of, but we are with you. Thank you for commenting. So, we have Patrick Murreizhi. I say, I love you because you are working hard. You know, I need a degree. Slai Omari. I say, I'm a self-employment. Tony Kipretich. I say, I'm a governor. No. I'm single해서za familiar Ambiver. I say in the post reform policy. I say, he's in buggy. I say thank you for taking in Vini. I say chicken at・・・ I say in the literature. I'm married but I need a degree. The actual degree I followed is taller. Mama said, I need a degree. So you want to be educated in order to know if you are not on the same level of education. Yes, the technical and artisics. But you see comedine has a involved communication. Nakae. So that's why I wanted to know if you are on that level for knowledge on that, so you need to stay in this world so that you can be educated to a certain extent. You are speaking to educated people. You need to knew how to address these people. You need to know what's right and wrong. Ya, in the case of Jhalas, when you mentioned he was a presenter before getting a degree then he went to get a degree so is that okay? Onojua the conversation happened. It's not about whether it's okay or not. Do you know what the conversation is? Does he have the numbers that will bring people on board? He has. So it is… No but, you know there are people who have studied for this jobs specially for comedians taking up that radio jobs and everything… So people have been complaining and saying why So why are they taking up these jobs and people who have gone to school for them, so that is a question now. But if people without degrees work harder than the people with degrees, how then do you expect to eliminate them from the system? That's what I'm asking, there's a comment that said, you find the people in jobs don't have degrees, but the people with degrees do not have degrees. But the question still is, if people without degrees work harder than the people with degrees, how it's supposed to be rolled out? You get mistakes being done, we've gotten cases where presenters have been laid off because of what they said. It's because they worked hard, yes, but they don't have the knowledge on what is to be said, on ethics and everything. I'm very cautious on this one because I'm a video practitioner and I know I might be castigated for it. I think your conversation here is degrees. Okay, let me just answer your question because this skill is to pull water to listen to your radio show, it requires more than just a degree. But it is primarily important for radio presenters and all other manner of communication experts to be educated on what is right and what is not right. To avoid twilae, wana jo kuna kitundun eza se moun ea alafu, iende kuhugunga nisha watu ingisana. Achama. Achama ea ni. So I think that education is important, but then midi houses sizes in a look for numbers, you can't deny that. If you have the numbers, we'll train you how to speak properly. But if you don't have the numbers and you know how to speak properly, of what benefit are you? So what's that we are here for? Yes, fit a first, your final comment, then we'll come to you then. To that, I'll say, as I say ma, even if it's for me, I'll focus on the numbers first. You come with degree and a person comes with no degree and has the influence, I'll take the influence first. Because of the growth. So I believe, but still, I think they need to be trained. I think they need to know how media works. Atakama. And wasikama wa chome badae. So what's your work and people get your social media? Facebook, fitafash, Instagram, fitafash, Twitter, fitafash, YouTube, fitafash. So what's your work? Pash in handi kwadi. P-A-S-H. Pash. Aha. I've been wondering that the whole show. Okay. My part in short will be, I mean the degree conversation could not be more relevant. And I think it's important that people are now starting to understand the kind of laws we have in our country. We'll copy what I will go and talk to my MCA, like in the Jewish area. Now you see, I think the media should take advantage of this time and start educating people about the relevancy of degrees and the laws that are there with regards to political posts and other forms of leadership. And then I call on the electorate size. When you have a right to vote. Let us elect people who understand, even beyond their degrees, as in Waliyelewa Shule. But let them understand what the electorate requires of them and what they need to deliver. Okay. Your social handles. At Muthi underscore Raymond. Muthi underscore Raymond. Thank you gentlemen for having that amazing conversation with me and with us, with our viewer. That is it from us. Thank you for those that have commented. 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