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It is Tuesday morning to my right the always professional stadium insider, Sean Shirania to my left the never professional and Louisville on the end man Lakers played a basketball game last night but that score is ugly 138 94 dropping the Philly my goodness Joe and B 30 11 11 assists his first triple double this season oh I had him for a double double he went way above Tyrese Maxey with 31 and 8 and LeBron had 18 points five assists he's now the all-time leader in minutes played no rebounds he had no rebounds for the first time since 2010 it's kind of weird 44 point loss it's tied for Lakers fourth worst loss in history and LeBron was asked about you know what should change after the game he said a lot and then he had more to say how should how should a team react to this kind of game do you just totally flush it disregarded move on or do you just let it stew and I don't know how a team I can only speak for myself how do you I don't like it what do you think about that I don't like it I don't like it on I didn't hear the full clip before I mean as the leader of this team as the guy on this team was having an unbelievable season you can't say that now you just kind of put yourself in a different category than the team it's not good leadership we know it's a bad loss and a glaring loss like this when thing when you're blasted it's going to be a miserable flight it's going to be a miserable film session but LeBron James is the leader of this team I don't care if people say it's Anthony Davis's team now LeBron James has been the guy so I don't like this you can't kind of separate yourself from the team you can't say oh I don't know how the team's gonna react I know how I'm gonna react it's your job to get the team to react so I don't love these comments especially after a loss like this where everyone's already down everyone's already just you know pissed off and like I said this is a game that you can't just flush and move on to the next one this is an embarrassing ass weapon this is something that needs to be handled and the best player in your team saying this kind of making it you know me how I'm gonna react in the first the team reacting it's not a good play in my opinion yeah like you said man when you get beat by 44 points you kind of don't know what the vibe is in the locker room unless everybody's just happy go lucky and everybody's running around you know that might have pissed them off a little bit or it's extremely quiet in there everybody's going in their corner so when they're asking him a team question and he's saying I don't know I listen I take this as he's just emotional it's a 44 point loss this probably in a long time LeBron has been embarrassed like this and he just kind of lashed out a little passive aggressively yeah I mean that's kind of his MO right I mean it's not we're not panicking yet this is just one really really ugly game yeah but here's the thing like again this comes back to you know he is the leader you can't go and say something like this like Lou said the whole locker room everything is negative everyone is down this is when you say I know what we got to do we're gonna get in the gym tomorrow we're gonna watch film we're gonna correct our mistakes you don't you don't go and put this the whole team against you I'm playing yin and yang though cuz sometimes Chandler you and I both know it's nothing positive to be said yeah and you got it sometimes you got to get it straightened out but now saying saying that you're giving us something to run with you're making it seem like you're excluding yourself like oh I know what I got to do but I don't know if I can get the team to do so now if they don't respond well it's not his fault again you know I mean like it's just as a leader you have good the good the ugly the whatever you take it all and and I feel like he had a chance to do that right now and he didn't I mean look we he's done this before we've been down this road where he sort of does these passive aggressive quotes and comments but they're always geared towards someone else they're geared toward the front office like last year when they were dreadful to begin the season and then change was made and it seemed to be a lot of comments coming from him in the first half of the season is that one of those moments yes he I'd rather him go the other way I'd rather him be Pat Mahomes and throw a good pass and the receiver missed the pass and him say oh I could have put it on the I could have threw a better pass I mean take the accountability you're the best player on the team you're the leader take all the blame everyone especially because you are having a great year you are your numbers are through the roof this AD team stop you know I mean it's 80s team why nobody has 80 what he thought well they probably did but he didn't say anything like this so we're not talking about he didn't he had 17 and 11 I don't know who's team it is anymore and by the way when Patrick Mahomes did answer like that weren't you kind of like dude you couldn't throw a better pass that was perfect but again at least he's at least he's owning it I mean at least in that locker room tomorrow you know how appreciative that receiver probably was like now this team's kind of looking at like damn Ron just do us on the bus today yeah they went to his museum two days ago I don't think they know exactly who they're playing yeah this is how he is though after especially a dreadful loss like last night like you lose by almost they almost there were trilling my almost 50 points on the road I mean I don't know how's the LeBron James team I think this is the biggest loss ever yeah of all time LeBron James so if I'm LeBron I think I'm tweaking it out I'm no channel don't agree but I might tweak a little bit too it's like this after like they lose by 20 he's like this you say they're down 50 you do have to give him credit he's like the most one day you're gonna have a museum related to all of your scoops cannot wait and you're gonna get embarrassed and you're probably gonna lash out because you're in uncharted territory I'm be somewhere in Atlanta lashing out at Luke it's safe to say he's gonna regret saying that today you know I mean he's gonna be whistling a different tune at media today I guarantee I agree with that a museum I agree with that we have we have not talked about that enough third star for this Lakers team is that something that they're thinking about what is the plan I think the Lakers will be patient we saw what happened last year during the season there was called there was called for changes Rob Polinka in that front office they took a more diligent approach and they pursued Kyrie Irving at the trade deadline but then they went the other route got a bunch of good role players assembled team that was kind of similar that 2020 championship team with with high level rotation players and they go to the Western Conference finals I expect them to express interest in Zach Levine but he's making almost 40 million dollars and so to total the salaries to reach that amount in a trade got a d'Angelo Russell really had to murder they are not both trade hours will till mid-January and so the bulls I'm sure would covet Austin Reeves in any potential Zach Levine trade as any team would if you're if you're the Lakers and you're out there trying to pursue a third star whether that's Zach Levine anyone else that becomes available the player that teams will ask about is Austin Reeves 100% and to this point the Lakers have not been inclined to move Austin Reeves yeah they didn't put them in in a deal for Kyrie Irving and so I think now through the Lakers you're gonna take a prudent approach Jared Vanderbilt gave Vincent two guys that are supposed to be massive for them in their rotation they're both they haven't played much at all this year and so I I think overall you have to take advantage LeBron James Anthony Davis they're playing at such a high level you have to take advantage of how they're playing and that includes being proactive in the trademark the Austin Reeves of it all would you put them in a deal to get things done I would but I understand where they're coming from Austin Reeves is that great versatile role player that knows how to play with stars you know I mean like D'Angelo Russell these other guys maybe it's not a good of as good of a fit but yeah like if I can go and get a Kyrie Irving if I can get a Zach Levine if I can get one of these big stars but me and Lou were just talking about why why does there have to be a big three why can't you just have a deep roster build around LeBron James Anthony Davis have a good bench and they are banged up gave Vincent is important to them really hot you more or these guys are valuable valuable players on this team but is Austin Reeves the third star I don't first of all I don't know why there has to be a third star but yeah if you can go and get an actual all-star caliber player I'm putting Austin Reeves in it and I love his game and I think he is a perfect fit to play along these superstars because he knows his role he knows his game better than the fans in the media know his game so I think he is great somebody knows his game listen I said I said he would love to have his 15 five and five was he crucified he's averaging 14 5 5 so I gave an extra point that statement aged very well yeah I'll slide in my DMs and apologize because I gave an extra point and he would love to be averaging that right now I like the idea that the third star like we're so stuck on it it's funny that you bring that up because now Lou we're just gonna go to Philadelphia because you have NBA you have maxi we all know how well they've been playing but the hardened saga was like ooh let's collect assets and we'll get that quote third star do they need a third star no well listen we're about 20 games in almost we're starting to settle in to kind of see who's who right and Philadelphia's right there in the mix of being a top three top 14 in the East I think they're gonna stay pat right there so with that said you don't really want to shake that tree you don't really want to create too much difference in the locker room and trying to bring in another guy and you have one you got Tobias Harris he's giving them 18 and a half points you know that's a third start of me he can bottle that up be consistent I think you're in a great you're in a great spot for your basketball team and Marcus Morris coming over from the Clippers giving them a good minutes off the bench he's that guy off the bench that can give you that score and punch that they said that they needed and everybody else can focus on defense and he can ride that wave for five six minutes stretches when that team needs somebody on the floor when Joel Maxi to bias those guys are taking a break he can be the guy that anchors them off of that bench and so I think they're in a good spot I say don't don't bother it that's a tough part for Philly though right is you feel like you're on the cusp of potentially winning a championship of advancing deep in the playoffs do you need another star player or do you roll with these these high level rotation players and I think Robert Covington the way he's come in making threes playing like a great versatile role coming off the bench Marcus Morris last night 16 points he was big so you could just really take this group here I still think they have contracts to play with where if they want to get a good another good rotation player another backup potential at a two guard maybe you can do that but going back to the Lakers this is Jared Vanderbilt he's a guy that could start for you Gabe Vincent that's your backup point guard could start for you as point guard and really hot tomorrow that's three of basically your top seven eight in the rotation that are out of the lineup so that was a bad loss for the Lakers no question but they're without three guys that are part of their rotation on a nightly basis and to this three it's a luxury to have that much talent like the Phoenix Suns that is awesome them to have all three of those guys because injuries happen the load management is still going to be a thing but when you look at the at the Philadelphia 76ers they also have Kelly Ubre who's averaging 15 16 points a game it's out of the lineup right now so I would much rather have a deep experience bench with Marcus Morris Robert Covington Kelly Ubre these guys can combine for more points than that third star is going to get so you know I mean I like the depth I like the versatility I would much rather go that route know my offense know my game know what Tyrese Max he's going to give me let Joelle and be dominate and then build around those two people are so fixated on this third star in this trio like you don't need that I'd rather have a deep bench getting over is going to be like a trade yeah getting back another 15 you love 15 got a max all that'll get you a hundred million dollars average 15 five and five there's some math I like that math another game oh you went to this game I did so social Nuggets Clippers they beat LA 113 104 no Yoke it's Reggie Jackson though 35 points 13 assists the Andre Jordan with 21 and 13 Kawaii at 31 Paul George to a 13 from the field it's six points and remember no Murray no Aaron Gordon either last night toward the end Russell Westbrook though something goes on gets into it with a fan we're not a hundred percent sure what the fan said Westbrook said obviously it was something personal to bother him so here's I always love this conversation when you buy a ticket to a sporting event as a fan what does that entitle you to that entitles you to go to the game enjoy the game watch the game listen friendly banter in the rims of what's going on on the basketball court you suck make a shot you can make a better pass cool that's part of the that's part of the fan experience I think we've gotten to a place now with social media and having so much access to people you think you're entitled to a interaction with that person now and so you come to the games and you might get a little personal you might go over the lines and you feel safe we're on the court you're in the fans we can't really do anything to you have your friend taping you phones are gonna be out it's you know it's this different dynamic of people wanting their piece of the action yeah and so I think it's a very fine line from because a lot of these people some of the things they say they would not say it to you never face to face on the street walking down the street or something like that and so I just think these guys just get too comfortable with disrespect and I can appreciate sometimes that it gets checked yeah and I listen I appreciate being a sports fan booing saying I suck saying whatever overpaid or you know whatever it is but when you buy a ticket to the game that doesn't make you entitled to say anything personal anything about you know your wife your mom your kids nothing like that like Lou said if you bought an admission to a bar or a club or a concert and you saw me face to face would you say that to me I mean I would but that's because you're tough as nails like that's where that's where it gets lost to me because we would we beat you up if you said that in person I mean it's like don't get it twisted that you can just say all these things knowing like shops that with your boy you're trying to get clicks you're trying to get attention you're trying to be on social media getting film ridiculous we're not circus animals we're out there playing doing our job and it's it gets out of hand sometimes especially in certain cities did you guys ever get into it with a fan at any you kidding me I mean I yeah in Memphis how bad did he get oh it's horrible I everywhere I go I there's one kid took a picture with me and I thought he was taking a picture of something at dinner and said all right say thanks for ruining our season and I remember that it was unbelievable and I'm like like that like are you kidding me you love that don't you that's funny like the audacity the nerve of these people because they feel like you can't do anything to them and then by the way after then if you do react then you're arrested or you're suspended or you have everything and then I have everything to lose and they have nothing but attention to gain so it's like it's all just a slippery slope but I wish Russ would kind of control his emotions a little bit more it seems to happen to him more often than others but it's frustrating man as a grown-up but as a you have you have your limits do you think the looting are the looting looking right at you I thought the Russ thing is that he's now coming off the bench and maybe he's not thrilled with this way the system's going and that now this whole team has been sort of change and now he's angry about other things there I mean it's a work in progress I think even even the other night when Russ had a big fourth quarter against the Mavericks and they won he was asked about it and you would think it's like oh yeah we're figuring out like we still have a long way to go we still need to figure out what we're gonna do like there isn't like this for sure sense that this team is you know has it right clearly after last night they don't have everything figured out so I think it's still like Russell Westbrook knows it's a trial and I think Kevin Duran said it best with the fan you know he said shut you know even Clay Thompson said you can't do what we do so like why are you talking like why are you talking negative about me you know I mean no that's fair it's like that's the attitude you got to have or it's just gonna get you in trouble and like like let them call you Westbrook like who Westbrook oh Westbrook yeah yeah I'm cool I'm cool criticism yeah I'm cool like the banter I'm cool with it sometimes the fans take it a little too far trying to get the interaction in one day one day somebody some people just suck at banter too like it's not like the malls in the palace when the guys actually came on the court I love that like what do you you're coming on the court dude what is your problem it's not gonna end what do you think is gonna happen I got it understood immediately yeah and look what happened that's what would happen if you cross the line yeah that's uh yeah I don't want to see it happen either but I would imagine it gets frustrating after a while especially when the game is as it was because no Yokoch no Murray no Gordon 10 is the loss that is the worst of all time one to ten how bad was this for the Clippers I mean it was bad and a lot of times you see let up when you see the main guys are out on the opposing team and you look no Yokoch no no no Gordon no Murray and the spread moves from like six to eleven and a half and everyone's taking you and there is that kind of maturity level that you have to show to to win the game and credit to the Nuggets they have professional guys they have a system they have it doesn't matter who's out who's in next guy up mentality Reggie Jackson was unbelievable last night he was almost looked like personal this is the last this is the first time he's been to L.A. since getting moved from the Clippers the Andre Jordan's back where a whole lob city was created and he was unbelievable it looks like he should be getting more minutes or he should be traded to be playing more somewhere because he still can hoop so I was happy to see those two guys go into their own building and go get a win that nobody in the world thought it was possible no now it's that many people out look after the game Tyloo obviously was asked about it said quote I thought just the energy there wasn't well enough to compete I mean look Nuggets no three starters they're on the second night of a back to back and I don't understand how you could have more energy than the Clippers the second game over back to back being that team you're actually more dangerous because you had a night to get get your rhythm you just play you're gonna wake up you're gonna have a breakfast meeting and then you're gonna go play again so you're basically going right back on to the court within 12 hours of that game and so you know despite what the public think if I'm on the second the second game over back to back and I'm that team I feel really really good about playing in that basketball game but look the gig is up I think the Nuggets have exposed themselves as a plug-and-play team they have a system they have ways that they want to play they have things that they they value as a basketball team and they're plugging in guys and you're seeing good results from it and so I wouldn't give this I wouldn't give this to being being the second game over back to back Nuggets are the real deal and they got a lot of guys that can play professionals which team had the worst loss Lakers Lakers for sure easily just I don't think yeah okay I think the Clippers I think this the the Philadelphia's a better team the Lakers I think they're fully loaded they're missing a couple role players Clippers have their this is who they are this is a major concern that they had this kind of let down fully loaded at home on the second I went back to back this is an excusable to me obviously the 44 point loss it's just math they got blasted but they took that team in the training 70s Sixers are good like 76ers I feel like I would take them against the Lakers any day of the week any not by 44 but no 44 would have been a weird one to see so but again we're talking about we're talking about got Reggie Jackson we're very familiar with who Reggie Jackson is we're very familiar with DeAndre Jordan and who he is and we mentioned the last show we wanted to see more more productivity from some of the young guys on Denver the young guy Braun and the other young guy I can't think of his name so Braun paying Watson Watson Strother hit some shots last night you know those guys those guys play well so and I'm a career bench guy so I like to see the underdogs have a night I'm gonna go yeah everybody everybody can sit down and I can hold the four down tonight and so I can appreciate that seeing the game that Reggie Jackson had listen they didn't go in the training camp with that team the Clippers didn't know so they're still trying to figure out line-up still trying to find their chemistry and what works Denver is a well-oiled machine and they got guys that they can plug in and keep the boat going when when your top guys are going and so Lakers losing about 44 and your best two players played I mean they're both they're both not great I think that's a safe way to say the Reggie Jackson part though man that's kind of fun how valuable he did I mean he played six games in the playoffs last year on the run to the finals like there were moments where he was getting DNP but he was a great teammate on that bench and last year when he got a buyout from the Hornets the Bucks were interested in him he had a bunch of teams and he ends up going to the Nuggets play sparingly in the playoffs and now look he's finally getting an opportunity to play he started 11 I think 11 12 games this year obviously with Jamal Murray being out he's played in pretty much all their games he's averaging almost 13 points five assists this year talk about a rejuvenated season for Reggie Jackson this is a guy that had his picking of which team to go to he picks Denver he picks Nikola Jokic and now finally we're starting to see the rewards Calvin Booth has been high on Reggie Jackson he's finally playing and getting time also you know how comforting this is for the Nuggets to now oh yeah need to rush back Jamal Murray when you got this dude getting hot like that the ultimate luxury huge to know that you don't have to do all that another game last night was Pelicans jazz so we're ending on this one Chandler so we're going to turn to you to take us through this yeah this was an interesting game obviously no Laurie marketing Utah we're starting to see teams it's impossible to predict this NBA season one guys out the next guy steps up Pelicans have won crazy games as well exactly they go on the road they'd be they'd be really good teams but this into the play here listen you could nitpick this all you want for an ingram hits that shot we're sitting here today praising him that he's aggressive he's the closer hindsight looking back he could have kicked it to Najee Marshall there for the wide open three for the go ahead but I mean Diane Williams gets to hoop he draws he draws the defense there again I think that's a good look for branding him that's what he does he gets to his midrange slow motion the next day looking back could he have kicked it sure but they had multiple chances they got three shots basically at the really did they can ask for a much better possession than this a little sloppy but they had their chances and credit to the jazz again their best player out who's the next man who's going to step up and they had guys that do that did that if we could do it all over again Lou perfect who takes what in that final second I mean everybody got a shot he attacked the rim they closed in on him he kicked it out to the second best player on that team or the first best player however they want to chop it up he gets a shot then they get another opportunity and another opportunity so again basket sports in general is just fickle if one of those guys make a shot the narrative is completely different today you know what I mean at the end of the day they got three shots at the rim under eight seconds that should be alarming for you touch that they allowed them to get three shots in eight seconds to win a basketball game just didn't go to think about that defense they let Zion get middle they collapse he then got the overclosed out on Ingram and then they had a wide open guy on a swing swing so like Lou said kind of horrible defense from Utah they just got bailed out by you know three misses three misses they got a little bit lucky Zion I almost felt happy that we haven't focused too much because I feel like we got ahead of ourselves last year but the last five games for him he's averaging 27 the outlook for Zion right now in New Orleans is what well we'll make silence and so special he really believes right now that he's a point guard and he believes he's the point guard of this team and he's a playmaker he wants the ball in his hands he embraces it when you look at his stats with him without Zion with within without CJ McCullum he's having 24 points almost six assists he's doing it playmaking he's doing it scoring when he has the ball in his hands and he started the year setting screens he started the year in the mid post in the high post he played a lot off the ball and now they put the ball in his hands he's able to make plays and we're finally seeing I think a complete Zion Williamson we're seeing him be as cohesive as he's ever been with Brandon Ingram but again will this stick will they both stay healthy was was on Williamson stay healthy but the remainder of the season to me is going to be about the growth in his game in his development with with bi but listen last year he was playing a lot of point guard as well and remember up the floor and Philly he went he has that hamstring pull and then we don't see him again in January so the hope is in New Orleans that he stays healthy because if he can stay healthy I think this team can can be dangerous and you can hear just the tone in his voice when he's talking he's frustrated right but there's they're banged up and this is a team last year that got off to a hot start like some of the teams we see this year we're talking Willie Green coach of the year we're talking Zion Brandon Ingram CJ McCullum now wearing some injuries to Alvarado to Murphy they have the talent on this team so I think there is light at the end of the tunnel here they just got to weather this storm until they get fully healthy how is CJ McCullum I know it's what November 6th yeah November 4th collapse yeah small collapsing is in his lung and from what I'm told CJ McCullum the Pelicans they're aiming for his return as soon as Wednesday tomorrow against the Sixers at home or Friday against Sears Spurs but he long just sounds like a long time problem for me collapse line yeah that's pretty second time this is the second time for CJ McCullum in the last three years the collapse yeah yeah and so thankfully he's been able to make it back but he's been out since November 4 the hope is unless there's a setback he's gonna be back this week Wednesday or Friday and before he got hurt in the six game 22 points a game six assists they need a shooting but I'm curious how much will he play on the ball versus off the ball we saw him off the ball a lot with Dame Lillard in Portland I think he's gonna play a lot off the ball with Zion Whimson Jordan pull guys it's all I really need to say because you're like well why are we talking about Jordan pull just this one moment is what we're gonna talk about it's the experience that is JP I don't even what is happening you've done this before I did something similar well here's the thing this is just Jordan this is Jordan pull in a nutshell right he's he's young he's immature and he's arrogant that is all three of those things is this play and that's why he's had some personality issues what's even who listen he's good he's getting ripped right now the kid can who people long as the NBA but this is the stuff he does that a noise of coaching staff that annoys his teammates oh can you imagine this is the frustrating stuff you it is a pretty funny clip every game he's given us something like this right now he's thinking what I think he's gonna be shot but he's probably thinking maybe I can get a layup out of this and the kid made a good defensive play that's that's what I'm gonna hang my head on this particular I think he's being silly and this is who he is gonna give him the benefit of the doubt for this particular clip this one moment a great move to he had a bucket why would he do that I don't know yeah I again this is what this is what causes him trouble that's an easy and like if I'm his teammate I'm what you know that this is why I get over this is this is obnoxious like this is you're playing with you're playing with your food yeah yeah I don't get it I wouldn't know me if I was a teammate just standing there waiting for something to happen and that's what the end was no no thank you taking a quick break right now guess who's back Vince Carter when we joined the show that's right eight time all star two time all NBA played for 22 years I just love getting that in there every time Vince Carter joins the show this morning Vince look we started the show talking a little bit about the Lakers loss last night what a pretty and then of course LeBron had some comments afterwards the guys weren't super thrilled with them it was a little bit of the throwing the rest of the team under the bus I don't know if you heard them but the gist was he knows how he'll react he doesn't know about everybody else what did you think that's that's LeBron you know yeah he may annoy and everybody might not be happy with his comments but you know we've seen him do this before it's just in his mind he's motivated I'm challenging you publicly which you know all the time I'm not gonna say that's the right way to go you have to kind of know your locker room but at the same time LeBron doesn't care he's like I'm gonna be ready to play you follow either follow my lead or you know you get left behind type thing and you know after you know LeBron knows how to bounce back after in an embarrassing loss he's gonna come out aggressive he's gonna come to play and he's gonna expect that from everybody else if not there again go sit on the bench and watch what I did I mean I bet yes he's the one that seems the most amped Draymond Green the big return of Draymond Green tonight he missed of course the five games due to the suspension he was asked about it said he has no regrets never does his behavior would you say that at this point it's a little detrimental to what the Warriors are trying to do I'm gonna start up I said that's a wild boy he's a wild boy and I mean the way I get the fact he's like I'm gonna protect my teammate at all costs okay cool but at some point like you got my man in like the last thing like it was nothing to do with his teammate he was fine he got pushed and he went to go get his leg back he saw exactly he saw opportunities like oh yeah right now this is my chance to me boy so long so long it was awkwardly long actually like I always wonder I mean look there are guys on there that are never gonna say anything but then there are guys of equal stature if not greater like a Steph for example yeah with a coach like what does anyone say anything to him like how does it work in a locker room with a guy like Draymond I think you know they have respect the respect of each other where a Steph I mean obviously Steve Kurt said it publicly like it was entirely too long you know you know we don't we don't need this like yeah he has to find a way to dial it back so I think they can have that conversation conversation with him and he trusts and he will allow those guys to do that now if that was like a Jordan pool like no not so much as a teammate you love it right like you love that he's getting your back but to an extent now and then missing games becoming distraction yeah then it's a problem yeah five yeah they're now like eight and nine and 10th in the West like you know they're very capable they're known to having so slow starts but they can click it on but it's like you kind of got to deal with the media now you got to find your way again which they can't do I know that but like you want you got to find your consistency because I feel like if they're gonna do it again this is gonna be the toughest year I feel like every year from here on out we're gonna say this is the toughest year like last year like yeah like this is gonna be the toughest VC last week Chris Paul ejected by Scott Foster CP3 after the game says it was personal so what was your take overall in that situation it's I mean I mean at some point this I look at the history of it and like like come on man like we know it's personal I don't I don't I mean I feel like every time you see that together you expect a Chris Paul loss but you know the one thing that you know I've had a situation in with the referee who was it in Detroit Donahue was his last name Donahue I mean I've had some of Joey Crawford but nevertheless it wasn't Joey Crawford but it was a back-and-forth back-and-forth and you know I'm like all right if you're gonna say what you're gonna say under your breath where it nobody can hear you the referee I have the right to rebuke and you can't use that against me so I mean I can tell that definitely was a part of that plus they had history and you know from what Chris Paul said it has something to do with his kid so I agree I agree with VC like if you if you're a referee and you're gonna engage me and we're gonna go back and forth you can't use the power of your whistle when it doesn't go you once you feel like you're losing yeah you feel like you're losing that argument don't use your whistle as your way out of this and getting me out of there some referees you give them credit if we're going back and forth and no tease called and we continue to play I earn respect for that referee but if we're talking trash to each other and I get a one-up on you and you decided to throw me out I can't respect that's why I love like a Tony brothers or exacts our brother they'll talk shit back to you go back and forth and then he'll say that's enough and you know like that's enough and he'll walk away you know you know as a you know a veteran official and then obviously if you come back and you continue that conversation then you know it kind of goes whatever and you know there's like scouting reports too for refs like you know who you can mess with you're supposed to joke around with like you don't miss a Joey Crawford Joey Crawford team at one time he TVF one-time events for looking at him well Tim Duncan of it all yeah right and they lean into remember Joe Steve Javi oh yeah the mascot yeah the Spurs yeah like you just knew who not to mess with like but Big Bavetta was another guy that you can have your argument he lets you say what you want to do and he'll back up he's like that's enough I'm giving you a chance so and Scott Foster he leans into it yeah he knows he's he knows he's a villain and he kind of carries himself like that when he's refereeing basketball games unfortunately that it's gotten to that point with Chris Paul but I promise it's another 40-50 guys that has the same issue with Scott Foster for sure for sure Vince last week we saw the Spurs Clippers game pop literally he literally grabbed the mic like it was like Hal versus Ovito and told the crowd to stop booing have you ever seen that in your career no in the NBA maybe if I'm Kawhi you kind of appreciate it I mean you forgot I went back to Toronto and I got booed so if you know if there's a coach you know if Sam Mitchell or any coach thereafter like hey man but it's a part of the game it's you know I think they have a lot of respect for him it's kind of the thing you do so and you see what the fans like everybody respects pop but at the same time they're like pop you trip yeah boo and it kept booing so it's like it did you know it did I get what he's trying to do but I also understand after hearing what pop says he's like we don't want to poke the bear because he knows what superstar players can do you don't want to motivate them and give them ammunition too because they're a young team and they weren't gonna probably win that game anyway but at the same time you know he said that that's a great spin he said that at the end he's like you know you know you don't poke the bear they're like what do you mean I mean I said you don't poke the bear if you don't know what that means I mean I understand what he's saying we're not trying to give him more motivation because if you're going back to San Antonio and they're booing just like for me I was going back to Toronto and they're booing that was more motivation for me to kind of get busy you know not definitely want to win I already wanted to win you know but now like you're booing me call me this that that's that's a spin that's a spin job that's a great that's a great spin well played yeah well played he probably had all have time to think of that one real play man it was it was a moment I'll never forget that's for sure um Sunday we had a Marcus Smart yell I love a Marcus Smart yell but at his teammates during the time out yelling that what they were doing was embarrassing um are you on board with the delivery of the message everybody delivers a different way I may be in a veteran with a young team for a lot of years you know you Marcus Smart has been to the NBA finals he understands how tough and how hard it is to get there yeah I guess and I know he sees the potential in the Grizzlies who's been very close so he's not letting this team slip and get away with anything so yes I mean you can look at it as harsh but like you know a teammate like you we all had teammates who just you know they get when they talk like that's what it is that you take it with a grain of salt so today's NBA some some people fans or media and players can't handle that but it's like you know I know it's coming from a pure place like he wants to win we know Marcus Smart is all about winning it's nothing personal VC I gotta ask despite that y'all just gonna let me say it not gonna you covered all the bases bro I gotta I gotta ask despite despite the courts I was critical of the n-season tournament I wasn't I wasn't a big fan but listen now that we're getting down to the nitty gritty I'm enjoying the games I'm enjoying the excitement around it what do you think about the tournament well you can see this the strategy behind this and you know um you see teams are making sure that guys are ready to go for the n-season tournament more so than the regular game so they know Tuesday and Friday so I have Wednesday and Thursday to get guys healthy or back or play the big be ready to play the big minutes because it does mean something and you know regardless of we say you know guys are making I'm enjoying hearing superstar players who are making 30 30 million or more saying that one that they're they're you know this this matters this is a chance to win something but they want to do it for their other guys right don't get the chance to make a quick five that's a quick five hundred right that's that's what I wanted that's what I wanted to ask you would you would you give max effort for the n-season tournament is that 500k and incentive to you if you were a player absolutely I mean because you know and a lot of guys are playing for a lot of things so throughout the season like you I mean obviously you're winning something you know when you win championships this opens up doors for other opportunities later on other contracts and so on so forth but yeah I'm all for for going at it and I definitely would it's another opportunity to win you know you know if you don't get the opportunity and I think Lou you said this early some of these teams like a I mean the magic or the Pacers who already were playing great basketball they get a chance to win this tournament you know but maybe not have a chance in the world you know to win the NBA finals but you're winning something you walk away with something and now you're putting people on notice now you're you're you're you win an n-season tournament you know what that does for you for free agency like it just it opens doors and now you're starting to get guys in some of these guys too they're not making they're making one two million that's a huge chunk of money for them to get for not playing too you know that's a chunk of money for anybody that's just some money man like you just think if you win the n-season tournament you get 500,000 and you don't make the playoffs but guess what I don't think I don't think my 500 makes it out of Vegas my fives gonna make it out of Vegas VC is this going to be like a playoff share where you can give it to the staff or give it to the we see that this is this is in season I know we see like Steph Curry give his 500 grand to one of the young guys this is no chance this is the n-season tournament I think so they're getting paid maybe a 500,000 maybe a 500,000 a nicer Christmas gift you give him 10-20 like you would do for a playoff like a playoffs yeah exactly like you I like it I'm not gonna give you all the 500,000 I think the someone the the high players I almost they gotta do that that's oh I didn't think like that Lou I'm gonna say this about some of the courts I heard you a couple days ago say about the courts some of the courts are hideous but I like but I like the difference I like the the separation it differentiates correct you like if you don't know the schedule like you know we obviously know the schedule but if you don't know the schedule you turn it on like what's up with the court yeah it's the n-season tournament you're probably gonna see some pretty good basketball and you're probably gonna see your favorite player play you know so it gives a it differentiates I mean I think go back and just kind of work on a few of the courts it's the red the all red is angry I know I know I'm changing I'm changing my position I'm in oh you're so open-minded these days who are you listen once you get to know me you know I'm over mighty guy I live freely yeah I'm in I'm enjoying the n-season tournament so I was very critical of it because I thought it was gimmicky and a lot of my my my feeling about it was because of the courts yeah if they listen calm the course down a little bit we get it leave the trophy in the middle of something maybe do something like that let's calm the colors down it's hard to watch it's hard to but the fans are in it's just one couple of the courts having too much pop oh yeah it's one it's one big hallucination when you're watching these courts it is well the red was yeah that's the one for court was tough red stuff that's the Ronald Raptors court was tough bulls is tough I think bulls and yeah those are mm-hmm anything with Carolina blue is tough too okay there you go that's fair BC you're in Orlando right your teams won seven games in a row whoo there's second best in the east third best in the NBA overall one of the best teams in the league so far have you caught Orlando magic fear fever I should say I definitely I do some work with them so I definitely watch them and support them but the power ranking there's still seven I don't understand you gotta explain that one to me but they're playing great basketball and you know and I'm gonna speak from my experience first when I got the opportunity to play in the Olympics and came back to next year the confidence that I had you know as a player I think we're seeing that from Paulo like he got the opportunity to play you know in the Olympic trials with some great players seeing how they prepare themselves how they how they work of the game how they make other players whether superstars player or not better and you're seeing that from him he's averaging what 19 eight but also funds is averaging like 19 you know he's getting it done he's playing with a lot of confidence he's getting off the ball when he needs to and he understands when it's my time it's going to be my time but he's allowing another great score like Franz to flourish as well as everyone else I think another one Cole Anthony buying into his six-man role has been huge for his game in the team because he wanted to be a starter he kind of lost his body with powder a little bit then all of a sudden you see him buy in and he's really taken off because he understand he's the guy that's like you shout out Jamal Moseley too because he's one of the absolutely there's not many more coaches cooler than him right I mean he's done a great job with the young young bunch of guys with a lot you know doesn't have a lot of experience coach of the year he should be up he should be in the talks for it I also love that Orlando is crushing because it gives us an excuse to bring out some vintage video which is obviously one of my favorite things to do when you were there you guys Dwight Howard you had a pregame ritual oh man the magic show yeah the magic we call it the magic show yes it was uh it was it got out of control instead of in me hey man look so it started like off like we literally had a show where we had a presentation and it literally you know we had yeah this is where it started right here Jason Williams was kind of our dictator believe it or not white chocolate it got to the point to where we're in a landline j will would be in the tunnel from somewhere doing hook shots out of it was out of control it was out of control after a while but we were a very good team and once Stan van Gogh got wind of it he kind of kind of like hey tone it down or shut it down type thing because Stan just cares about obviously X's and O's and what you do in the court but we were winning and we were getting the job done and when the when the ball was up for play we were locked in so you know but yeah that was the magic show I love that I love that team growing up there VC we also we both played with Trey young uh in Atlanta you a little bit longer than I did he's a little bit of a lightning rod amongst fans do you think he you could build a championship team around Trey young I think I I I'm gonna I'm thinking now Trey young as before at first I'm like you got to tone it back but I understand what Trey was trying to accomplish as a young guy coming in proving oh he's too small he's not able to you know he won't last long and you know the man got talent man like he's averaging ten assists second in the league behind that man Halliburton who is balling by the way I know we'll talk about him but I think you're starting to see Trey understand he has to get other guys involved he's not there yet but at the same time he's toned down the the the crazy shots the bad shots I I think he's you know Lou you can speak to this as well but I think he's given a little more effort on the defensive end it's it's a little more important to him it kind of matters I I mean you have times I watch the Hawks as well sometimes like come on Trey yeah just a little effort just to give your bigs a chance to you know get in defensive position to help you and us what not but you know Lou what have you seen I just feel like he's he's taking baby steps right I just I feel like for him stability is going to be important man he's honest he's on his fourth coach in his young career and so you know I've spoke to he has some trust issues when it comes to when it comes to coaching because he hadn't had anybody to really take him under their wing and really give him the game and give him the guidance that's needed for him to get from point A to point B in his career and so that's that's been my whole thing just that stability that he hasn't had yet and I think that's why he's I think he's doing a little better with this this year because he's he's had coach last year now he has a full a whole summer and then this season kind of the focal point they can get together kind of get on the same page so hopefully you know this lasts for a good a good little while and he continues to buy in for sure all right last time we talked the Clippers had just traded for James Harden but we hadn't seen him yet in uniform they're now four and seven since he joined the team but four and two since Russ went to the bench and then we had the loss last night so right now your assessment of this Los Angeles team is what I'm gonna start off by saying this shout out to Russ man like that's that's big of him because you know and you know we know how Russ is like Russ wasn't going to teams or Russ was like I'm not going to the bench like he put his pride to the side for the good of the team um giving you know Harden an opportunity to kind of play himself in the shape and I think that's what it is it's like it's a lot to me as a point guard you know you have a lot of response scoring point guard at that you know you can score but you also have two dogs shoot more than that but you have Kawhi you have PG so you got to make sure you get those guys involved and figure out how to get your shots and how to get big zoo you know involved in how to make obviously at the time make it work with Russ uh no and that that um with the four of them plus zoob so shut up I when I heard that I was like good for him and I think it's freed up Russ's mind because he doesn't have to keep hearing it from the media or people talking about it it's like you know what no I'm my man needs to know to get right I'm gonna find a way to get right and it's it's worked out and you're starting to see them turn the corner a little bit team Russ uh worse loss last night Lakers Clippers Lakers boom see that's okay I just I just think like you know you're talking about you're talking about first of all you have LeBron James there and you have a guy who's going to come to play every day you know I just I just think you know opportunities like this matters for someone like Anthony Davis more so than LeBron like you know you're talking about the next man up this is you know you know this is your opportunity this is your team you talk about you want to take the step you want the keys eventually you have to rise to this occasion I mean Joellen B is playing at an MVP level and this year already so you know that's just a tough that's a tough matchup not saying that you know this it's a bad it's a tough loss it's a bad loss I think I think Philly took the fight away from yeah period crushed him crushed him double in three quarters you said he's going to get a double yeah I underestimated him I didn't think about that matchup though that that that's your position you got to stand you got to you got to hold your ground that's your position I like a meme right now I'm like okay uh Vince as always we will talk soon we appreciate you thanks for the time and we will be back with party I don't even know how we did last night probably we won some better than others well tonight is the final night of group play and the in-season tournament so we're going to concentrate on Warriors Kings for our prop party um Chandler what do you have I love the Warriors tonight we got Draymond Green back in the lineup me and Lou just think we think we get a vintage Warriors team tonight we got them plus one Wiggins your six eight give me five rebounds we love a god I got him going over four and a half rebounds yeah four that seems like doable right yeah okay so you have Warriors plus one but Lou you have Warriors what yeah I like I got a big knife on the Warriors okay it's going to be a emotional game I think they're they're motivated they're ready to play Draymond is back in the lineup so I like Steph Curry with a big night 25 and a 29 and a half big night about a 30 I'm putting a number on it I'm 34 tonight Steph that pays double by the way what a win what a dub I don't like his odds on his though as much I went negative I went negative online a little bit I mean it depends on how you look at it but it's a bonus with the under 13 and a half rebounds oh I don't like my odds either uh Clay Thomas under three and a half threes made but you know what I say that to say I hope I'm wrong because when I watch now I want Clay I want to see old play yeah and I tune in for I would love to see a big night from Clay same it was just make my spirit be like 10 11 12 3 I would love to see a big night from Clay it's been a while I'm just trying to reverse psychology the whole thing I feel like Shoms is judging I think I think we're due I think we're due for a big Clay Thompson Shoms give us a pick tonight what do you think I'll have for dinner warriors or Kings sushi or something else I feel some sushi okay yeah there you go Shoms got it right that's what's gonna happen that's what I'm good at I'll predict your dinner he's a minor reader that's the trick that's the trick this whole time all right we had Vince today we have Jeff Teague on tomorrow you guys so the homework tonight has come up with some really hard questions for him and I want stories yeah well he's gonna have I got we got good stories we get it okay then I can't wait for that that's gonna do for us enjoy the games tonight see y'all tomorrow