 Alright, thanks for joining us on this latest episode of Port 20 Grams. The four faces you are watching right now, our crew is Port 20 Grams. Because they are coming together possibly 24 hours before the All India Football Federation is going to take a final decision on the future of the remainder of the Indian football season. And the remainder of the Indian football season doesn't pertain to the Hero Indian Super League which had already crowned ATK as champions before the lockdown. But it pertains to the I League, it pertains to the 2nd Division I League. Mohan Bagan has won the I League, they are yet to be declared as champions of the Hero I League. So as always, I joined by Siddharth Ani, Bhairav Raghunandan and Jai Di Pasu. Sir, the three of us have played with a lot of clubs. To kind of get a perspective of what would the right way forward be for them from a club's perspective. And might be a little selfish or whatever but at least we can put that perspective forward. But as far as the All India Football Federation is concerned, what is the likely outcome? Because as we record, probably 24 hours from as we record, an outcome will come out from the Federation. See, All India Football Federation is, the I League committee is definitely looking forward to cancel the league for the season. Because they were saying, they were hoping against hope if they can start it at some point of time. But with the second lockdown extension coming and also the ministry saying that you cannot play any sport after June till June. That means the lockdown will be on till June. So they have 23 I League matches left, 28 second division matches left and more than 300 youth league matches left. So they are going to cancel it, that is for sure. But the only interesting development is, tomorrow at least Mohan Magan will not be the declared champions. Because the I League committee doesn't have the jurisdiction to do it. This can only be done by the Executive Committee of the Federation. And I League committee can only recommend that Mohan Magan declared the I League champions. So once the recommendation goes and then it's up to the AFF when to call the Executive Committee. And once, maybe in a week or two or I don't know at what time they are calling. Then only Mohan Magan will be officially declared league champions. And it will be fair and fair for Mohan Magan to lift their famous flag only after that and not tomorrow. But truth be told, grounding the I League champion is the least of their worries. If you had to say put it down on a list. What is prime importance in all due respect to Mohan Magan. Drowning the I League champion is the least of their worries that is coming out of their meeting tomorrow. They will be very happy not to declare them champions for the moment. Because East Bengal have already said that if Mohan Magan had declared champions they should be declared the runner-up. So the complications continue. So the I League committee will be very happy to say we don't have the jurisdiction. So you are saying that the I League committee will decide that the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th and the remainder of the table will also be decided. Because if you are declaring champions they have every right to say what about the remainder of the table. They will recommend it. They will recommend it. I think for the rest of it what I have heard from a couple of sources is that because mathematically Mohan Magan is in the clear. If that had been even a draw and there would have been a mathematical opportunity for any other team to overtake them. Then the recommendation even that they be declared champions would not have been made. But as things stand because mathematically Mohan Magan is in the clear. I think Mohan Magan has spoken to the AFCs who have indicated with our sources. So as far as they are concerned the 2nd and 3rd place prize money will be equally shared between all the remaining teams in the league. Not between those who are currently placed 2nd and 3rd. How much is the 2nd and 3rd prize money sir? Does anyone know? 60 lakhs and I think 40 or 30 something like that. That is 1, 2, 3. So basically top gets 60 lakhs. Now for the 1 crore winner, start lakhs for 2nd place and 3rd or 4th lakhs for 2nd. As I said down the order there is something like that. So basically you are saying that 60 lakhs will be equally distributed amongst all the other clubs. Approximately 1 crore will be distributed. Here if tomorrow Mohan Magan is not declared the champions by the ILEEC committee. If they are only recommended by the ILEEC committee then we can also go back to the situation and can ask for an explanation. That how come AFC send a letter on 15th of March saying Mohan Magan the champions? On whose recommendation the letter came? On whose insistence the letter came? And how did AFC be sure about that Mohan Magan the champions? On what basis? That would be a very interesting question to put. Yeah that's it. But why did they put out this letter? I mean what is the urgency to put out a letter saying Mohan Magan is champion when you still have 25 games left in a season? All those questions can be put now. I was wondering that how did and on what basis AFC issued this letter? They must have definite official information that Mohan Magan are the champions. That's why they have written this letter isn't it? Yeah but to officially say it is a completely different thing than actually hearing it from people and saying that they are in the clear now. Even if anything happens in the league Mohan Magan will win but he doesn't win. So that's a very different thing. So from someone like an AFC to actually go and put that letter I didn't know about it. It's very strange and what is the need actually to do this? Why they were jumping the gun? So I don't know. They could have waited till the league was over. Sir I'll just get Weber and Siddharth into this because they've been following a lot with what's happening in Europe as far as the payout systems are concerned, as far as promotion is concerned and everything. This is our old friend Ranjit Bajaj who keeps popping up on various Twitter feeds regularly. He's written a letter to the AFF saying given the current situation where we should already declare Mohan Magan as champions. The second to fourth place prize money should be combined and equally divided amongst teams which have finished second to sixth in the table. So he's not saying he divided amongst everyone. He's saying second to fourth should be divided amongst six teams. And we feel given the fourth major circumstances Aizwal or any other team should not be relegated this season. And I also request, and I think this is the main part, request the Federation to release all pending league subsidies, prize money and reimbursements for the 2019-20 season at the earliest. Sir, there are three recommendations. Tell me, do you think this is right or not? I think whatever Ranjit is saying is right. He's politically correct of course. But at the same time, when will he give this money? I'm talking about subsidy. I think the main important thing is subsidy. There is a pick and choose formula they used last year. And Ranjit's money was not given. And two seasons and previous to that season the Super Cup was not played. There was a disciplinary committee, there was an appeal committee, there were so many committees. The result has not yet come. But can we also say this that generally when these payments are made, this is the timeline of making payments. The tournament ends a few months after that you get payments. Even when Anujat came on our show, Sudheva, and he said, if you want to run a club then you have to have capital, liquid capital ready. Do not depend on certain payments coming from the AFF to run your season currently. You'll probably get that payments during next season when you already made a team. So that's the way it works, possibly the cycle of payments. Yes, Arjun, you are absolutely right. And AFF has its own problems also. Not always they have money also because they have to get it from their sponsors and give it to them. So I can always understand. But when we see that AFF is sometimes doing a pick and choose policy, is following a pick and choose policy, that puts you off. There are instances when somebody has been given and somebody has not been given because somebody's face is not like by somebody in the federation. So if you do another show, I can name them publicly. At the moment I don't want to say it will only increase bitterness, add bitterness to it. But it has happened, which is very unfortunate, isn't it? Guys, okay, so we've spoken a lot about the iLeague, but I think the league that is really in question. Whether it will be a league or not, whether it will be a relegation promotion or not, that is the second division iLeague. Vewab, did you talk to some clubs? What is the sense and what is the likely outcome from a club's perspective? No matter how selfish it may be from their own thinking. So one club I've spoken to, so basically one plan that the AFF has given to the second division clubs is that the nine teams that are not reserved teams, they will be brought to a single venue and they will do a knockout style competition. Knockout style competition, something like that, yes. But these guys have rejected that, they've said they don't agree to a knockout style competition. They would prefer to do a single leg league at a single venue, they're fine with that and whoever comes up on top. Yeah, but then that just means you play more number of matches, more number of days, you've got to keep the players, you've got to look after them. So that's why I kind of started, no matter how selfish their point of view being, it might not be something you might agree with, but you can understand. They have to do that and do something, yes. And also I'm just mathematically trying to understand how a nine team knockout competition works. Yeah, it's something that came to my mind as well. I just don't know. And then there's going to obviously that is going to create some problems and this. So I don't know, but yes, these guys were, they preferred the chance of playing like, even if it's just one match against everyone else and just whoever comes up on top. Yeah, they give the best possible chance. Absolutely, absolutely. And like, I mean, obviously, this is selfish interest, but we started off by saying that every club is going to look out for itself. Yeah, but I mean, so if you're, since you were mentioning the situation in Europe, I think the Scottish Premier League and their structure, they had a voting. The situation go down and so it was a, it's a fairly similar situation there for the league has a lot of games to be played out, but already Glasgow said it take 13 or 14 points clear on top. And the second place Rangers were in second place and I think I think arts maybe whoever is in third place are 21 points behind. So there's massive gaps in the club and the decision that has been taken basically has also declared the winners of their championship division and second. So basically as it ended, why are you basically so but the problem with this becomes like, sorry. So with this, these kind of voting situations is always likely to be the case one that people will work for example, Dundee United had a decisive vote in this whole process. And as a result of the voting process, they became champions of the first, the first, what we call the second division here, what they call the championship. So what basically as the season is finished, we will be ending like that. So like for example, a team that was first placed in the second division has an equal say to get out to relegate a team in the first division which basically like, I mean, they weren't too far off. They were, they were one or two points away from safety, which is the same case like even in the I League, if you look at the table right now, I saw a lot bottom, but they played two fewer matches than Narooka. That's six points, right? And the difference between them is actually just three points with two matches in hand. So it's, so I don't think it's the champions that is the contentious issue actually, it's the people who end up at the bottom of the table. So yeah, so that, that way, when you were bringing up Ranjit Bajaj and his three point agenda in terms of the meeting tomorrow, it makes complete sense, man. The second division hasn't, right now, everyone, anyone can theoretically move on to the second stage of the second division. So it might as well consider that as a tournament that has not even started. The SL is over, so it's over. The I League have a mathematical champion. So declare them the mathematical champion, share the rest of the prize money. I disagree with the point that six down shouldn't get a share. I think they should also get a share and everyone can share it because there are enough matches left for the league table to actually even the first place can't be changed. I mean, the difference between like ninth place and third place is like five points. So with eight games to play, eight rounds of matches to play. You say this and you forget about the second division this year because clubs won't have the resources to pay the players, etc. I mean, we keep saying this and I think on 420 grand, we should take a call and end this season. So we should close our own season first. But was it necessary to finish off this season because in Europe they haven't finished yet. I mean, what I mean to say is that the transfer window hasn't been closed yet. The transfer window is going to be closed in October. So we should let it go. But everyone is stuck in the limbo. That we are thinking for this season, for the next season. And realistically, the way things are going, if the government has already said that we can't play until June, any sport. People here are saying that IPL, which means that they are writing 1000 crore rupees, that has definitely been postponed. So why are we struggling so much over this tournament? It's far better to, like the Olympic games, maybe it's an optimistic date that they have given one year from now. The Olympics will happen. But I think it would be far better if like Mr Bajaj is saying, the AFF releases all pending subsidies, gives the club all the resources that they have available to them. And let them sit down and for next season. So I'll just tell you something. So as far as your releasing subsidy thing, bang on. You should do it as soon as possible. But the first thing is the difference between speaking and practically executing it. And I don't even know where we are giving so much attention to the ILEAK. And I mean, not in a way that the level isn't good. The ILEAK is over. No promotion, no relegation. The real people who are stuck in a limbo as you are saying right now are the people in the 2nd division ILEAK clubs. That's why you end the season for them. I'll give you a second version. I'll give you a second version. So through the serve, I have followed the officials of the Gadwal Heroes, the Delhi club. Now for anyone who's followed Delhi football, Delhi has never been amongst the big boys in Indian football, let alone being the big boys of 2nd division ILEAK, that they're getting promoted to the ILEAK, right? This season, Gadwal Heroes, and now remember these clubs in Delhi, right? They're not backed by major corporate houses or a major benefactor. How they run is a couple of seven, eight small businessmen come together, put in their savings and put a team forward. So Gadwal Heroes put a budget of 70 lakh for this season, right? 70 lakh is huge amounts of money for them, right? And how did their season work? They make a team one for the Delhi league. Which is on a very small budget. Right? After that, the four months they've run, they get players from the 2nd division, from the ILEAK, loan players, who are not getting to play, or who are experienced players, they've got a team of 70 lakh from the last four months. Gadwal Heroes is very close to making the final round. Very few teams from Delhi make the final round. Hindustan was one of them before that. Now imagine, you rejected the season. You rejected the season. I asked them, sir, they rejected the season. For whatever reason, you can't point a blame at someone because it's affecting the whole world. Will you be able to put a budget of 70 lakh next year? They said, no. It will be very difficult for us, because it's one of those kind of seasons where you put in everything. No, there are small businesses. No, of course they're not going to get it next year. Next year we are talking about all kinds of clubs across the board cutting. Why are these clubs any business that has anything to do with the market? I mean, the way the world functions, all businesses are related to how the market operates. Even our business will have the same budget. When the second division is not going to be played before the next season, and I'm saying the next second division, or your ILEAK which started in Jan this year, what is the hurry in saying bye-bye? You still have till October, November to do second division. Which is why I'm saying subsidies should be released so that the money you will need to keep your team intact that you will say, okay, this is the window that's given. So what they will do is they will get their team two, three weeks before that. They will start putting training in place and be ready for the tournament to play out another two-week tournament. What will happen then? So if you're saying that you will do it in Feb or March? No, don't say Feb. I'm saying if you apply for November-December, the last date, this year. Sir, you're dragging on to that. I mean, we've just started getting to know about this virus. What is the extent of this virus? It's not easy to tell us. Gadwal Heroes has reached so close to the final round after so many years. He will say, keep November-December. Please, man. We might never reach here again. Okay, that example of Gadwal Heroes. Similarly, there will be other clubs, second division clubs, who will be happy to say, give us two more years to prepare, no problem. So if we take the arguments of individual clubs, then that will be a problem. And if you're saying that this year, Gadwal Heroes has collected 70 lakh rupees to form a second division team, with the hope that they will go and play the I-League next season, that means they should also have plans in place to have one-and-a-half crores to play the I-League next season. Bro, it doesn't work like that. Of course, it should work. No, it doesn't work like that. If their plan is limited to 70 lakhs for one season of second division, then it's not really a plan anyway. No, but that is the way Delhi clubs have been functioning. You might not do that for the way they function. Delhi clubs have been functioning. We've seen the level that Delhi clubs have reached. So maybe Delhi clubs should start thinking of functioning in a different manner. What is the hurry when you will not have your season before Jain Feb next season? I think you're doing a bit of a disservice to them by saying, okay, now the I-League is being called off, so we'll call off second division as well. Because you could have allegation unless you take the call to add more teams to the I-League next season. I've read that report today morning that they're trying to take it up to 13-14. Fair enough. Anyway, they have to add at least one team. That is the most. You add one team, you add two teams, you add three teams, however we do it. I was thinking that until the transfer window was not announced, I was also thinking, as Arjun was saying, that until the transfer window is not being announced, if you announce the transfer window, then you'll have to close it somewhere. Sir, I asked them about the transfer window. I said, what would be your scene if after the transfer window, they said that we'll do a tournament for two weeks, right? We'll do a tournament for two weeks to decide who will get promoted to I-League. They said, no problem, that is even better for us. And not better for us, it's better than the whole thing getting run because we'll keep the majority of our players. We'll keep the majority of the players and we'll bring the players and we won't feed them. Let's see if they announce another tournament tomorrow. No, in any case, I don't know. I don't know how much has been happening, sorry, just very quickly. But maybe tomorrow's I-League meeting, league committee meeting is the first meeting that they will have where all of these people will be on the same sort of forum platform and discuss the various... They'll also do this when we're doing it. But there is a point here. Will they call the I-League clubs for the meeting? No, I asked Karwal also. He only called themselves. As anyone called you saying, look, since you are part of the entire equation what would be a likely outcome for you? And what all are you prepared to do as far as finances and everything? He said, sir, no one called. There was just a journalist's call. I said, I hope you gave the wrong information to the TOI. No, not this time. I think they've been... Like clubs have been sent an email, is what I heard. Like they've been sent an email just asking if... By this meeting and this chat is going on, I think they're running on a reverse clock. They're running on top watch. That they have to make a decision as soon as possible. They have to make a decision as soon as possible. So if I-AFF was there, you might not agree with me. I'm just saying that you should get I-League. As it's finished, I-League, let it finish as it is. Not like 2nd, 3rd and 4th are going to some other competition. Let there be no relegation, right? Purely because of what Weber has mentioned because there's only 6 points or 4 points between them or 6 points, whatever. But as far as the 2nd division is concerned and think about the clubs, just imagine, you lose a Gadwal hero this way. Imagine if a Gadwal hero has been arrested this time and said, we can't do the budget again because we've exhausted everything. You lose them for the next 4-5 years. So that you can keep them alive. I'm telling you, whatever I mean by losing them, if you play DSA, A division, DSA, senior division, you'll go to the north zone. But if they've made it this far and keeping every other club that is in the 2nd division I-League and purely because the 2nd division is played at the end of the season. It's played at the end of the season. I think you can stretch it till November. Wait till November. If you don't have anything to remember, then say bye-bye to them. Or let them announce a knockout tournament. Even that would not do that. I'm telling you, give them something and wait. You're not running against the clock. As far as 2nd division is concerned. I don't mind even if they do an e-sports tournament. If you play FIFA 20 and decide from there, it'll be better than the time cost. The only thing is for that you'll have to go to e-sports and tell them to create Garhwal heroes on the game itself. No, they'll do that. Not only will they do that, they'll also be able to probably match the kind of budgets these guys have if they do it properly. I would like to have it an online tournament. Guys, we've gone long. I think everyone talked about it. So we'll go one by one. If you were AIFF and the decision-making was in your hand and he will start with you. What would your decision be? And forget the I-League. I-League, we're all on the same page that Radh Kardo as is and no relegation promotion. But for your 2nd division, what would your decision be? I don't know what my decision would be but I would like to have all the clubs and all the various people who are putting this tournament together. We can't be in the same room but in the same conversation. I don't think that a decision like this can be taken or should be taken by a committee that doesn't include or doesn't at least give space to hear the voices of each and every club because individual clubs in the 2nd division and below are in absolutely each has their own unique situation and we have to come up with a solution that has the maximum amount of sort of decency for the maximum amount of people. And you have time to negotiate. Yeah, of course we do have time. If we're saying that we can potentially play these tournaments as late as Feb or March, then we do have time to have these discussions and if it makes a difference at all, I would say as the way things currently stand are you playing in the 2nd division or are you playing in the main league? It doesn't matter much. You don't have to be monetarily you just have to spend a lot of money. You spend a lot of money, your player level increases, your team increases. Of course, the level will increase as you level up. But unlike Europe or developed football countries where playing in a higher league leads to more monetary benefits for the club itself, in India that does not necessarily hold true at all. Right? While you have bigger clubs, clubs with more of a history such as London sporting, also involved in the equation who might have a better or more leeway to be able to deal with a situation like this, my suggestion if I were in this committee, my proposal to everyone would be that we take a break from this whole thing. We try and play a tournament as and when we can so that players, clubs, etc get an opportunity to play. But we don't have any consequences of that tournament. We wait till next season and we start from zero next season. So basically you are saying all over? Sir, if we look at the world I don't think there are 4 other things left to do. We are saying optimistically that the Champions League final will be played on 29th August the UEFA Champions League. We are talking about all this but the tournaments that are realistically and easily can be postponed. For example, not easily but which are easier to postpone. For example, why are we not talking about the women's league? Because it has neither started nor has it ended. So I mean one season finished and it was a short league. And now we will talk about this next when we know what has done. I mean right now it is all based on guesswork not just us the biggest government who is the most knowledgeable about these things. So when are we going to decide? You have already made a decision but you have not. My suggestion is that the rest are dependent on the organizers and the referees who are the players will have to bring their representatives and the clubs will have to bring them. Only then will it be possible to solve all the problems not just the organizational problems or not just the problems of one or two clubs. The other person with big beard if you are sitting in the committee do you have a final decision? So obviously often enough the AFF has I agree with Siddhant about this one bit which is that AFF has always been accused of not listening to the clubs not giving enough voices. If I was sitting on that committee I don't know about every club I don't know about all these situations just giving enough voices. Listen and try to formulate the best solution that will help the maximum number of clubs The second thing that I would do is I would call it a fashion You can take the ticket if you want because it is a perfect politician The second option is if I am the AFF then I would also call out the national team coach and ask him what he is doing there is this very good podcast you can go there and do a 420gm That is a good plug because the federation we are assuming Sir, you tell me it is a different logic let's say Ani has said it I will leave but for the second division I would have thought they could have called all the clubs in a broad best meeting listen to it and then take a decision on the So if you had to take a decision what would you do? You pretty much know what clubs are saying and how they feel I will of course finish Ileak and in the second division I will still keep it in suspension for a thing that if they can play a knockout tournament in July or something like that because people are hungry for football if this is a little bit of football even if it happens whatever happens, do it in one venue in Delhi's Ambedkar stadium people will come and watch they are hungry for football but I don't think I don't know if people should go and watch that's all I am saying we don't have to go and watch we can watch on television you will keep delegation in leagues which are in Belarus, in Nicaragua and Tajikistan Thailand 4 countries where league is being played still being played in Tajikistan, in Belarus no spectator but they are earning huge money through television television is ready to pay because they are watching at least something so if our second division tournament happens in July or August then I think because if ISL starts then it will not start before October October then nothing will happen so let's play a tournament I don't know whether that will be official or unofficial but people will watch at least I will have watched last one thing our AFF's commercial partners FSDL they have one part one part is Reliance and the other part is Star both of these companies these days Star sports is a broadcaster particularly with the IPL not happening and several other all basically sport is off so I can understand that Star as a broadcaster is taking a major hit in these times but if you look at recently published reports the amount of wealth that has been added to Mr Ambani's network is during this period of lockdown right is something to do with 4 to 5 billion dollars so while poor people not just in India but all over the world are dying from starvation lack of access to medical facilities etc etc and this will go on to effect like we have talked about football players who earn as little as 15,000 rupees a month right we also have to give this context that footballers in India are not like footballers in the Premier League who are earning hundreds of thousands of pounds per week I don't agree with your point why do you throw guns at people because they are earning money by themselves they are not earning in isolation the money they are earning the company they are earning they are setting up because of this logic we are in this situation where we are now people are dying and the billionaires the richest 10 people they are just getting richer and richer this is unfettered capitalism at its best and all I am saying is if your plan is you are in football because you want to earn profit from the Indian football market place you want to make profit from it so today when that industry or that entertainment need to prop up then you should do it then something will be left that after 5 years when the world will come back to even keel then you will be able to earn profit so basically give a bailout 100% bailout the government is giving you your property if you look at it as a private property as you were saying if it is your property then who will put more money in it so his property is ISL so all India football is a commercial partner not only ISL ISL is their own private tournament okay and we have given this AIFF to this private tournament the highest league of India okay so if you own like premier league not just to lower division clubs but to the NHS etc etc they are contributing similarly these kind of things have to happen because at the end of the day these people are billionaires man they cannot compare billionaires to people like you and I or anyone who this idea that you are saying that why are we always going for the rich I will just tell you the owner of amazon Jeff Bezos do you know how much he is going to earn during this pandemic he is growing his fortune by 24 billion dollars and he is not giving paid sick leave to his employees so I mean sorry if you have personal decisions you can do that I am seeing this overall you people sitting there are sitting there and ready to get the money what is that he has made his business and he is flourishing his business what is the demand for him that this pandemic is going on I think he built his business without needing other people so I agree he should profit from making money when you are running a business I will get a chance I am saying if I will get a chance to make money I will definitely make money but not at the cost of all my employees I am not going to earn it on their sweat that is the general thought then why do you cannot make money that is the only way of making money that is the general thought you have generalised this conversation suddenly Mahatma Gandhi came in between but I am bringing this conversation back to football I get your point a bailout should be given I understood if you are saying a bailout should be given to the all India football federation which can then be trickled down to all the stakeholders that was your 2nd division ILE clubs your local leagues and your state associations so that through whatever the stuff time is you have some amount of financial relief given to you by the big benefactor ok sir now the decision if I say a decision then it is simple subsidies and whatever payments are due which you owe them officially by law or whatever you must get rid of them straight away you must pay them off straight away if you want to give a bailout then you must work at a bailout but that is a different conversation and as far as the ILE is concerned you should reject ILE as it is promotion as it is going on so you need 3 teams come into the ILE next season to take it up to 12 from 10 which was this season 2nd division like sir has said do not put a date on it right now just say hang on and we are giving you a subsidies and something so you can disband your teams and try figuring out what the transfer window is because the transfer window will also not be the same so once the transfer window comes out that is the time you need to take a decision that ok from so many months from here or so much time from here 2nd division league and I agree with sir and you guys that it should be a knockout tournament because the less you are the better everything cannot go in your hands because you are getting a tournament you are getting a chance to promote so you should be happy with that so that way it is a win-win situation and this is the thing to get all the stakeholders and talk to everyone history is lost when you bring so many people to the table and try to listen to everyone at a time when a decision is of utmost importance then it is going to be a mess it is going to be very strong and take a strong and sound decision it is as simple as that that is not how democracies work either as jaydeep was explaining why it took 5 days to sit for the league committee meeting 2 days to understand the technology which technology we are going to use to have this meeting because we cannot sit together after that once the technology was explained to everyone and everyone was on the same page all the members of the committee had to be given 3 days notice that after 3 days this meeting will take place because this is the procedure which is written in their constitution in their processes so what is your AIF? sir this is strong they are not democratically elected but then the committee has to take a decision as a body because you have been elected democratically to take a decision of course 100% they are the representative but you can only take that decision once you have listened to what the inputs of the stakeholders are right? as the democracy works on every level either you are fine or you are not considering and you are sitting in one room because they are emergency or desperate circumstances then you can take it individually because then you will not get the gun or the gun you took the decision the second thing is when you take a collective decision then no one person becomes the fall guy for it right? so I don't know how it will go I mean Jaydeep has a probably bad idea maybe we can get last comments from him and wind this up I mean this is very likely to be the same kind of meeting or discussion will happen between clubs because everyone will have a slightly varying point of view last means that they are going to get postponed the second thing is that the meeting will happen tomorrow but decisions we have been seeing it every day on newspaper senior officials of the AFFR are coming on court to say what could be the decision to wait for the meeting so maybe the same decisions will be forced on the meeting and meeting will come out with the same fair enough and we will be back tomorrow evening over the afternoon Sunday with a new season with a new season of class struggle the story then keeps on giving can I just say something I love you Jayhoos you should order from them they are delivering food now this entire conversation is a different space whatever it is it is over so that is it thanks for joining us hopefully we will get together again the meeting is over and if something concrete comes out of the meeting our popular opinion is that there is nothing going to come out of the meeting other than the ILE so let's see if something new will come out we will sit together and we will again analyze, assess and give our opinions in any case on Sunday we will have something concrete to talk about because if they take a final decision at least they will have some discussion and then we will get some sort of press release plus meeting hopefully we will be able to speak to some of these members of the league committee including the chairman Subrata Dutta and get some sort of insight probably how the meeting went I think from whatever I have met Mr. Dutta he seems to be a guy who speaks his mind doesn't think twice about what will come out so let's see see what happens