 I'm here today with Richard Ratcliffe, who's been campaigning for the release of his wife, Nazanine Zagri Ratcliffe, since she was arrested while visiting family in Iran four years ago. In 2016, Nazanine was convicted of membership of an illegal group in a trial which Amnesty International has described as deeply unfair. There's now hope that Nazanine may be released. How are you doing, Richard? Hi, yeah, no good. I mean, as you say, it's a slightly more positive moment than what the campaigners had. What do you think can be taken at an international level to help people that are caught in a situation like Nazanine's? I think there does need to be, domestically, something like almost like a bill of rights for consular protection. So if you get arrested overseas, what can you expect the government to actually do? Could you describe what you do in ten words or less? Well, so my day job is on accountants, but mainly these days I campaign for my wife Nazanine Ratcliffe to bring her home. What would you say was the most important lesson you learned while growing up? I think probably from the past few years, the importance of kindness. I think a lot of campaigning I thought was about speaking with a loud voice, asserting your point, getting people to hear you, but actually it's the value of people caring and being kind and just reaching out and connecting and sharing. And what advice would you give to a ten-year-old you? I think our lives has taken some very strange directions and unexpected directions. I think just being honest with yourself, being honest with others and being respectful of others. Who would play you in a movie of your life? There is a play about Nazanine that has done a round. And someone came up to us and mocked the fact that the guy who played me had to be a lot thinner and a lot better looking, a lot taller. I would hope the same would be true in the films. What would you say that you're most proud of? For me it was really important that she didn't feel alone and that she felt that people cared for her. One of the nice things about being out of prison briefly is she reads the cards that people have sent through amnesty campaigns and all that lovely care, person to person to person. Boy, does it matter in this situation. So I think I'm proud of having been part of that. This is one of our kind of staple questions and I can perhaps anticipate the answer. If there's anything you'd like to achieve which you haven't yet. So there's literally getting on a plane and going back. But then the journey back to normal takes some time. You know, this is a tough experience at the moment. It defines us at the moment. There will come a point of hope when it doesn't. If you could immediately put right one injustice in the UK right now, which would it be and why? At the moment, cases like ours, specifically ours get quite a lot of attention because it's quite dramatic because I'm able to get on Radio 4 and talk about it. There are plenty of people that are going through similar things, but speak with an accent who don't have the sense of economic base when they can just go to the states to lobby or to leave it to lobby. It's profoundly unfair, but profoundly unfair. And I think the fact that there is no level playing field. I think that's a much bigger injustice than people realise. And is there a human right which is most important to you and why? Human rights at some level is pragmatic and minimalist. So what's the bare minimum we all need to have a society we can all live with? Well, protection from torture has to be it. That moves us on to the last question, which is if you have any ideas for what can be done to heal divisions within society right now. There are always going to be disputes between people and in society. There are things that are uneven on there and there will be arguments about how to do it and how much should be changed. Where people are honest and empathetic of each other's perspectives, you can always find a way through. Where people are busy triggering each other and trying to provoke each other, you're much less likely to find that. But there's the power of just saying I see you and I really see you. It's almost the most important thing anyone can ever do. It takes an enormous amount of empathy. Dealing with the extraordinary circumstances you're in, I think to come around to that. And I think that's really interesting. And thank you so much for your time. Thanks, Sean. Cheers. Bye.