 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind pump. Mind pump. With your hosts, Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of Mind Pump, for the first 23 minutes we have some fun conversation. We talk about dental dams. What the fuck is that thing? Yeah, it's an old school reference. We talk about sex education when we were kids. Let me tell you, we learned nothing. No. We talk about our favorite scents. Yep, that's right. What we like to smell. New car smell. We talk about school dances. Justin could shake his booty. We talk about coming of age and we talk about the old DVD series, Girls Gone Wild. Sal had all those. We also mentioned Organifi products in this episode. Now, we are sponsored by Organifi. They do offer great organic supplements including a green juice and a protein powder that are fully organic, nor artificial flavors or colors. If you want to get some of that, just go to OrganifiShop.com. Enter the code Mind Pump for a massive discount. Then we get into the questions. The first question was pyramid sets versus straight sets. Which one is better for strength? Believe it or not, there is an answer if you're just going to compare the two with all the other controls being the same. Believe it or not, I'm walking on air. We do mention a little bit of how we program our workouts in this particular question. In particular, MAPS Anabolic, which is our foundational program, really maximizes how the central nervous system adapts and how to get stronger in particular phase one. It's our most popular program for a reason. You can get that at mindpumpmedia.com. Then we get into the second question. Does weighted cardio send a different signal to the body than regular cardio? In other words, we've talked about how too much cardio slows down the metabolism. Will putting weight on your body change that? Find out in this episode. Then we talk about the most overrated and underrated foods. I do want to make a note here. Don't put pineapple on pizza, you idiots. Then the final question. What do we think about the western medical practices of cutting things out when they don't work anymore and pretending like we don't need them? Like your gallbladder. Wisdom teeth. Or your wisdom teeth or your appendix. Testicles. We have a great conversation in that particular one. And finally, check out our show notes. All of our episodes have our show notes at mindpumpmedia.com. All you got to do is click on the podcast tab and each show is time-stamped. So you can see exactly when we're talking about each topic. If you want to fast forward or rewind to a particular topic. It includes links to the people, the topics and products that we talk about in this episode. Again, you can find it all at mindpumpmedia.com. Have you guys ever used a dental dam? No. Who in the hell has ever actually used one? I want to find somebody. That's my question. Do you even know what that is, Adam? A dental dam? You don't know what a dental dam is? If you've ever used one, we need you to comment. Well, what I have used is a different thing. Do you know what a dental dam is? No, I don't. Okay, so you never took sex ed in school? They didn't teach you? They always mentioned it and I'm like, who goes and buys one of those? So I did take sex ed, but I don't ever remember reading about it or learning about a dental dam. So it's basically a piece of saran wrap that you put over a girl's vagina when you go down on her. So it's how you have safe oral sex with a vagina. You know what, I vaguely remember them showing that. That's saran wrapping. Did anybody ever do that? That's what I'm wondering. I've never seen a dental dam in real life, ever. I'm going to look it up. It's fascinating. I could see if you were a John, right? Like if you were heavy into the hooker market, that was like a regular thing. And that was like your thing. Right. You're going to want to saran wrap it. Yeah, that's about the... But I mean, I wonder if there's even a market for it. Did you Google it and see if we can get one? I'm looking it up. Bro, they're like plastic. I mean, what do you know? We're about safety and form here. Maybe we can make a mind pump work. They're like blue and stuff. Do they smell? Not before. Dude, if you're a chick, how pissed are you when the dude pulls that out of his pocket? Hold on a second. Hold on. Let me get my saran wrapping. Oh my God, it's going to murder me. No, this goes down there. This is to keep it fresh. Yeah, dude. I'm not trying to smother you. Yeah, exactly. It's nobody's ever used one. I don't think going down on anybody, have they? I don't know anybody who's ever... I don't even know where you buy one. Please tell me how this even came up as a topic. What were you doing that made you even look this way? Me and Justin. Justin, you brought it up. I did. How did you do that? Oh, you put it on you? You put it on you? I have no idea. You in the market of a dental dam? Yeah, maybe. What's going on? These are just curious thoughts. I know it's a thing, right? I know that it was mentioned growing up, and I just like, who the hell's ever even used one? I'm just very curious. We're going to do a random thing. We're doing your motivational Mondays. We're going to start doing that again. Sex talk with Justin. Again, he do these things and you always find out who gets it and who doesn't. It's like hit and miss. You and I connect on random shit like that, though. Well, that would have been a joke. That would have went right over my head because I don't even remember that was what I was called. Do you guys remember Sex Ed, though? What was it like for you? Do you remember anything? The only memory I have of Sex Ed that stands out is I remember the girl putting my teacher, whoever taught it, putting a condom over a banana. Ooh, I had a cucumber. I remember that. I remember what year was this? What grade? Fifth. You were in fifth grade? Yes. That was seventh for me. When they put a condom on a banana, fifth grade? Are you sure it was fifth? 100% I know it was fifth. Because I know you get some Sex Ed, fifth, but fifth, usually they just teach you about puberty and shit. Seventh is when they put the condom on. Seventh is when they do like dick shit. Fifth grade. Sex stuff. What kind of fifth grade we learned about STDs and how to put a condom on? I remember that. You remember that AIDS video? I don't know why you think that's so weird because that is definitely, I think that's the norm is that, because a lot of girls are already going through their period and so they're having AIDS. Well, that's what I'm saying. I think in fifth grade, if I recall, it was all about puberty. Mm-hmm. And then in seventh grade is when they talk about like sex. Like why do I start to smell bad? Yeah, exactly. That was always the thing. I have hair. Yeah, exactly. This is weird. Oh, see, I don't remember them being different. I remember them being all, maybe that was like my school couldn't afford that. It was like we got all of it. You get it all in one. Puberty and sex. Exactly. We got to attack this problem early. Yeah, all together. Let's talk. I mean, it makes sense to me. We're going to be talking about their genitals. We may as well talk about their genitals together, right? Yeah. That's what it was probably like. Yeah, geez. I remember seventh grade, the teacher did this thing that I thought was, that I think is brilliant, where they, you could write any question you wanted to ask anonymously on a piece of paper. Then you would collect them all. And then at the end of the sex ed class, he would just answer these random questions. And people would ask, like, hilarious stuff. Yeah, like, can you get pregnant with anal sex? Or, you know, what happens if I swallow C-manner? I sat on, you know, jizz and, you know, whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then you would answer all these questions. Oh, I don't even remember that. It was really smart. I thought it was really smart. It was good, yeah. Because people, like, they asked real questions. Because, like, you know, it sounds like they're trying to be funny, but I guarantee a lot of those were, like, real questions. Yeah, exactly. Because your hands get hairy. What were you guys looking up on Amazon before I came in here? What is it? Oh, the dental dam. That's what that is. A sordid flavor. Oh, see? It's like fruit roll-ups. Oh, wow. Look at that. A sordid flavor. A five-pack of shit. I wonder if you buy those and, like, eat them. I wonder if they make it, because those are, like, tastes like strawberries. I wonder if they make one that tastes like vagina. You know what I mean? That way it's kind of like the real thing. A vagina-flavored one? Like, you're putting it on, but you still get some of these things. Tell us, Sal, what does vagina taste like? Computer jockeys. It's its own flavor. Like new car smell? Yes. A new vagina smell. It's fresh. Like, it's one of those things you know. You know when you taste it. You know you can go to the car wash and you can ask that, right? Like, I'll have vanilla, strawberry, and I'll have new car smell. New car smell. Right when you open the door. That's a smell. It's a little vagina in here. By the way, do you know what new car smell is? It's the fucking chemical fumes coming off your new car. Like the leather, like plastic. Yeah, it's literally, it's a bunch of xenoestrogens that are coming through the air. The irony is, but it's intoxicating. I love it. I love the smell of a new car and a pair of new sneakers are like two of my favorite smells. And exhaust. You love the chemicals. I do. I love gasoline. I do. It explains why I like Diet Coke still, I think maybe. That's what it is. It's too much, I smelled too much leather in my life. Yeah. And sneakers. Maybe you want that. You know what I mean? You want the chemical. I don't know. You think that's what it is? You think there's not something that, maybe it's something to do with it being so clean and fresh. You have something to do with that. You associate the two. Yeah. With being clean and fresh. That's what I think of it. I think it's more of that. I think it's more of an association thing where it's like. Not like pine saw smell or something like that. That's not clean and fresh. Yeah. See, I don't like that. That's chemically smell. That's like a chemical smell. You don't like pine saw? What about bleach? Oh, I hate bleach. Bleach is way too strong. You got a weird smell. Yeah. No. What about? Those have such a strong smell. Fresh cut wood. I think you taste it. I like this I am too. So I don't like women's perfume. I don't like women's perfume on women. You like them on men? Yeah. Definitely. I appreciate that. I don't like perfume at all. I don't like cologne either. So I don't wear any cologne. But I do like real soft scents. So Katrina wears lotions that are sent in. So I like the Victoria's Secret lotions. So I like a nice smell. But I don't like a smell that's so strong I can taste it in my mouth. Yeah, you know, like when that girl walks by and she's got that fucking, you know, the old ladies, the latest fucking Nordstrom popular fucking perfume spray. And you feel your gagging on it. You know, you get in an elevator. You're right, Justin. It is old ladies. Yeah. It's like really sweet. Like, I remember just like hugging the old ladies. What was that, Beavis? I just had this thought. I know, I saw it. Put your naked little lady right there. Come on, dude. I remember that one time. Okay, I'm done. Old ladies. Keep going. So what do you do, Joel? The old ladies like the floral, strong floral smell. Yeah, because then it's like you get the makeup and all that like makes its way onto your cheek and then you get the fucking like really strong, flowery, like super sweet smell. Like last all day, like penetrates your skin. See, my grandma smelled good. My grandma smelled like oil. Oil valet. Oil valet? Yeah. My grandma wears that too. So when a young chick wears that? Oil valets? No. Of course not. I've seen the commercial. Of course not. Look at your skin. How would you know? I'm gatered out, dude. I'm dry. Whenever I smell that, I'm like a younger girl. It throws me off like big times. I'm so used to smelling like my 70-year-old grandmother who smells like that. So when a young girl wears. If you're young, don't wear oil valet. So I like kind of fruity smells, you know, like the body sprays that smell fruity, but it's because I have an association because the first time, like all probably most guys, the first time I went to a strip club. You went to a stripper. Yeah, I was 18. And by the way, this is just what happens when you're a young dude. Actually it happens to old guys too. You think for sure she likes you, like for sure. I was just one stripper and she was dancing and stuff and I got lap dances and she smelled fruity and she gave me all this attention and told me how hot I was in this night and I thought for sure, like, wow, she's breaking the rules right now because she likes me, dude. Like she would totally make out with me if the guy was the bouncer wasn't looking. Anyway, that smell stayed on me and now whenever I smell floor, like not floral, but fruity scents. No, you know what I remember? The herbal essence. Like this one girl had really, really long straight blonde hair that was just like, you know, she would give me a hug every now and then. You just smell her hair. Like a creep? Yeah, it was weird. No, I was young. I was like 17 or something and I was just like getting hugs, like in class. And she hugged me and it was just like, oh my God, I just distinctively remembered like it was intoxicating. Is that still a thing for a young teenage boy? I mean, your son should be going through this right now. Were they just hugged everybody? Well, do you remember that? You remember? So I remember. It was the way you touched the girl. I know. It just, you just reminded me of a memory that I had not even thought about in such a long time that I remembered, this is probably, so I'd love to hear from a kid that's between fifth grade and probably eighth grade right here. Because I think that's when it was most popular. Because by getting into high school, you're fucking around doing shit, right? But literally from fourth to like eighth grade, it was like the thing to like hug all the girls. To the point where like that's how I left school every day. I had like my... You counted it. Yeah, yeah, exactly. That was like the big deal. Like, oh, I hugged someone. So, oh my God, yeah, I hugged her today. You'd have one like in sight. You're like, I haven't hugged her ever. I'm like, I'm gonna do this. Today's the day. And these poor girls are thinking like, he's so nice. And then meanwhile you're leaving with your buddy like I felt her boobs on my chest. That's exactly what's going on. That's exactly what's going on. And I wonder if that's still a thing. It's still a thing for boys to hug the cute girls when you're younger, because you're too afraid to do anything else. Yeah, I don't know. I'm not kissing them or fooling around with them. I'm just hugging. You know what I'm saying? I think they're a little less physical now, you know, because everybody's all in their phones. Well, he texted me. Right. I'm wondering now that we do this emoji thing and the text messages and the Instagramming like now it's just got rid of hugging. Maybe. This would be an interesting study. I think that you would have something for this. You're looking at me. Yes. Actually, they did. They did a study. No, I don't know. No, I remember. I remember that. And I did. I had to be a hugging study in PE. Did you guys ever have this in PE? We had someone come and teach us how to do dancing. Like we had this teacher. I remember his name, Mr. Penny. Mr. Penny came and taught us line dancing. And what's the one where you go arm in arm and you square dancing? Oh, yeah. And we all had to square dance. And it was like my first time ever holding like hot girls hands and fucking arm and arm and shit. You guys did that in elementary? No, this was like maybe it was sixth grade or seventh grade. It was pretty young, but you're like, you know, you're doing the arm and arm thing, switching off. And then at, you know, at some point you're going to end up being arm and arm with the super hot, the touchable girl of school. And you got to touch her arm. You actually taught you how to do it. Like we just would go to dances and like not know what we're doing. Yeah. No, we did dances too. But this was like PE class. We actually had a guy come and teach us. He taught us how to do the electric slide. Nice. And line dancing. Isn't it funny when you think about traditions that we've kept for so many generations, like, you know, high school or junior high, like dances and how, like what is the driving force behind why we have, we've implemented these traditions and what really excites people to have them and why we don't ever get rid of them. Like why do we have dances? Yeah. Like why do we have dances in fifth and sixth grade? Like what is the, what's going on? I feel like it's one of those situations where we're trying to organize them, you know, hanging out together that we can control because if we don't, then they're going to like do crazy shit without us. Even though it doesn't really matter. That's why I find it fat. Like really think about that, right? Like really think like why do we have the purge? Like why do we get it all out here, kids when we're watching? And as a, now from a kid's perspective, what do you think the whole time you just can't wait to get to that dance with the girl that you asked to go there? Cause you know you're going to get to slow dance. I don't give a fuck about all the fast dancing shit. Like I just can't wait. Especially if you can't dance. Right. Especially if you can't dance. Cause I feel like Justin couldn't wait for the fast dancing. Cause you have moves, right? I had to bust it out. He's the guy that got out to the fast dancing and then a little slow dancing when he sat back down. Doing the worm and shit. I bet you were the guy that would go out and fast dance because you knew the girls would love it. Totally. I would get attention. Hashtag fast dance. Like look at that white dude. He can move. Oh yeah man. I was busting a move. No. But think about that. That was a kid and then that's all, the boy all you're thinking about is I can't wait to get there and press myself against these girls. So it's for, Press myself. Yeah. The freak dancing thing. That was, That was way inappropriate. It's funny cause years ago I had a client who had a teenage daughter who got her heart broken by some dude. And she was explaining to the girl like listen, most boys are like this. Like this is all they're interested in. And I had this conversation with her. And my point of view was when you're a teenage boy, it's not like in your mind you're thinking I'm going to trick her so that I can do things with her. They're not even thinking that teenage boys literally think that they really like the girl. And then once they get what they want, they're like, I don't really like her anymore. It's like a biological trick that we can't even control. Right. You know what I mean? So I was explaining that to her. I was like, listen, I don't think these guys necessarily, some of them are like mean spirited, but some of them, the guy who told her he really loves her, he thought he did until he did live there. And then he doesn't anymore. Especially at that age, right? Cause it's different maybe when you start getting to high school and a kid's got, or a young man has got experience, right? Where he's had several girlfriends and then, or he's been sexually active and then now he has a thirst for it and then now it becomes like a macho thing. Sure. And then it does become. It can. Yeah. Then it can become manipulative or can become, you know, I think unhealthy or whatever. But I think at a, you know, you're talking for a fifth, sixth grade, like, oh my God, like at that point you're right. You just, I think too, you're just, you're so intrigued by the opposite. You're finally interested in the opposite sex. Cause just two years before that, whenever that was going on, you thought girls were gross, right? So at one point. All of a sudden. Yeah. Which is funny because as a kid, when you're going through that process, you don't have the self-awareness yet to like put that all together. Like, well, that's weird. I think last year. I thought. Well, it's like when you're watching a movie and they start making out and having a sex scene or whatever like before. I remember like distinctively, I used to be like, ah, like fast forward. And then like, you know, there was like one year where I was just. And then you're 35 and then all we do is fast forward the other stuff to get to that. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's all I watch. Hollywood's hottest. Oh, dude. It's that Hollywood's hottest. Oh, come on. That website. Don't tell me I was the only one. Was that the site that had all the new shoes like boobs? Yeah. For like, yes, famous actresses. Oh my God. I do remember that. That's ridiculous. That's such an old site. I wonder if it still exists. I doubt it. Oh my God. Hollywood's hottest. Yeah. That was right around the whole whatever with that popular girls gone wild thing. Oh God. You know, I met, I met the guys who shot that because they shot. The girls gone wild. Yeah. Yeah. Dude, those guys were really big trouble. Yeah. Big trouble. Didn't they lose all their money? No. I don't think he got sued big time for something, but that dude had made so much money already. And I think he had pivoted into other things too. So I have to look them up. I can't remember. I'm totally talking about my ass right now because I don't remember their names. I don't remember what he pivoted over to. And I do know he went through a major lawsuit that you're talking about, but I don't remember what it was for and how much. What a scumbag. What a brilliant idea. Brilliant idea. Totally scumbag though. Exploiting the girls. I know. Do you really think scumbag? Do you think scumbag? When that many people are looking at you. Yeah. I mean, are you though? Well, here's what it is. Okay. Here's what it is. I mean, they're young. I mean, this is definitely like touching the third rail a little bit right here because I know some people get sensitive about this stuff. So they got in trouble because I think one of the girls was underage, but she lied and showed a fake idea or something like that. I mean, if they were illegal, if they were not intoxicated when they signed the agreement, they were in agreement for doing these things and then they'd get drunk or whatever. Let me tell you why he's a scumbag because you've got all these super hammered people acting stupid and girls showing their boobs or whatever when they're smashed. And like, when I see that even when I was younger, I kind of made me feel uneasy. Like, oh, they're really, you know what I mean? It's like they're really, they're really drunk or I don't know. So this guy's like taking advantage of that. That's also why it comes out. I look at it like, okay, we look at now, we fast forward to our time now where we have Instagram and all the stuff, social media stuff. And I see what some of these girls put out there to get attention on their on their Instagram. And they're sober and more than willing to do it. And I think all I think is the guy, this guy who we're talking about saw that and decided, hey, you know, I'm going to make a business out of this by gathering all these girls that are like this and putting them on a video. Well, you see it just going on the spring break, you know, right? It's feeding. It's feeding into the same same thing. And it's just somebody who's organized it in a sense. Right. So it's like, I don't know. I don't know how much of a scumbag. I think so. Well, he's a thing about this way. Would you want this guy like hanging out with like your daughter and your wife? And you know, you mean you'd be like, maybe you knew him, but you also know he's a dirtbag. He's kind of a dirtbag. You know what I'm saying? It's legal, but he's a dirtbag. We can see that. We can see that until I met them. Well, I wouldn't judge anyone. You're right. I don't know the guy or whatever. Right. He comes across. Because here, somebody was going to provide that type of service, whether he did it or someone else did it. So you have to ask him, I talked to my uncle all the time about business and we, the joke, you know, between him and I, because he's always, he always references the porn industry for who's doing what and who's making. They're like the leaders. They are. He's like, when you talk about consuming entertainment, he goes, I know it sounds crazy because you're in a total different business now because you're in health and fitness, but they are always ahead of most businesses when it comes to the entertainment side of consumption for consumers. Right. So entertainment for consumers. So I think a guy like that who does that, I don't know if I judge him so much to think that he's necessarily a scumbag for doing that. I think he saw an opportunity. It's like these girls are getting drunk, their tits all over the place and people are doing anyways. I'm just going to make a cool video and edit it, throw it all together, sign waivers, and then make money. You know what it is? It just makes people feel uncomfortable. It makes me a little uncomfortable and maybe I wouldn't feel so uncomfortable if I didn't have a daughter who I know at some point. I see your angle of that. Yeah. I wouldn't feel comfortable hanging out, you know, just based off of. No, because think about it, like kids, sometimes party, get crazy, especially when they're young and they don't know, they don't know their limits and they drink and then you do stupid shit. We've all done it. We've all done shit. Just luckily for us, they didn't have iPhone cameras and shit around us because trust me, I'm sure we could have all gotten filmed. We got out of that like by the skin of our teeth. Yeah. So it just makes me uncomfortable because I'm sure my daughter when she's in college and she'll go enjoy herself. She may do some shit that's embarrassing to her later, you know, in life and it just makes me uncomfortable. So I hear what you're saying. I just get uncomfortable with it. You know what I'm saying? I feel like businesses like that, though, expose that for us and gives you a different perspective that you may not have had before. And it also gives you an example to maybe even show like your daughter like, see, honey, you don't want to be like these girls. Let's go to college. There are going to be times where you drink and you're having a good time. Someone's going to have a camera. Sounds like a good idea, but do you really want to be this girl, you know, see, and you give her like kids, my son in particular. And then you show the same video to your son. He says, son, this is what you're going to be looking for when you go to school. This is Arizona State. Yes. They're all over the place. Shout out to Arizona State. Lots of little girls that have daddy issues that are running all over the place. You know what I told my son the other day? Just to scare him. I'm like, listen, I'm like, everything you do on the internet is saved by someone. Just to scare him. You know what I mean? Like somebody has it somewhere. Just remember that. Yeah. You're porn searches. Bring out the bird. Here comes the exposing bird. Green Quaas. Go ahead and plant it. Chimera Quaas. Today's Quaas being brought to you by Chimera Coffee. It's the only coffee that is infused with all natural new tropics for a cleaner, calmer, and more focused buzz without the crash. Put the Chimera link at mindpumpmedia.com and input the discount code Mindpump a checkout for 10% off. It's the motherfucking Quaas. The eagle has landed. Quaas. Our first question is from Clebsolius Rex. Oh, you did figure out how to say that. Oh, I did. Yeah. Wow. Pure mid-sets versus straight-sets. Which is better for strength? That's a great question. It is a great question. So, before I give my answer to this, I wanted, there's one kind of coffee shop that I'm going to talk about, but there's one kind of caveat. Both can be more effective for strength depending on what phase you're training in and how you've been training. So, if it's a new stimulus, if it's a new stimulus to you or a new way to train, you're going to get more strength from it. Yeah. That being said, if you had all things being equal, everything's equal, you had groups of people who have trained the same way, that pure strength and that hypertrophy, I have to go with straight sets because this is the way that the most calculated strength athletes train. Olympic lifters and even power lifters tend to train this way where they'll take a weight that they can lift for sub-maximal intensity. You know, let's say like a power lifter is going to do sets of three even though they maybe go to five at the same weight for set, after set, after set. Olympic lifters do this as well where they'll take a weight and they'll practice this weight over and over again because what they're looking for It's more like skills training. Yeah, they're looking for like maximal central nervous system adaptation and skill which you're going to get more skill if you keep everything the same and perfect the movement versus we've done studies like this before where they were the pyramid sets but again, they're always a four to eight week type of a study, right? And I think what remains true and I'm glad we did this question because I feel like now that we've done like 600 episodes when we first started I felt like we spent a lot this was before we even started monetizing right? We would talk a lot about the principles of maps and why and how we created and I feel like we got away from talking about some of this basic knowledge because we feel like we kind of drilled it but I forget that there's a lot of people that have probably not listened to episodes one through 100 and this is this is really I mean if you're just coming into mine pump in the last six months the real success behind everything that we did when we first started releasing all the episodes and then maps came out was the brilliance in the programming and part of the programming is really that you know we took a lot of philosophies that we felt that were that were overlooked that people don't realize are very very important in the game of consistently seeing gains and results anybody can throw a four to six week program together that you know makes you sore like that's fucking easy but give me give me something where I'm going to consistently see change and when you are you going to follow consistently give you change there's certain rules and stuff that you need to follow and talking about pyramid sets and straight sets this is one of them either one of those would be great but guess what after about four weeks of doing that consistently in all of your exercises the returns are going to start to diminish so then understanding how to phase things in and out of your workouts become and that was the idea workouts well yeah along those lines like when you're talking about the difference between the two of them like there is like a slight difference like you may actually benefit more if your focus is more in the hypertrophy and like that that's your ultimate goal and like and that's why like if you want to like get down to where we always talk about splitting hairs like there could be you know more benefit if you know if I want to focus more on getting stronger and like straight sets and just working on the skill and performance of it and really mastering that you know I definitely tend to lean more on that end of it if I'm in more of a strength phase more of a central nervous system type of adaptation so just deciphering like and kind of weighing it out based off of like your your goal or where you are in your training program is important and that's why we've come through all of these different modalities different techniques different like protocols to kind of decipher how they would all blend and marry together the best and how we could create like a better recipe well it's like asking this question is very similar or would it be the same as like someone asking me Adam do you think that phase 3 of maps it builds more muscle than phase 1 of maps I could argue either one I could I could tell you depending on the person who's what I'm getting them before right like what they were doing before I can make the argument that phase 3 builds more muscle than phase 1 and vice versa it's really about what signal have you been sending to your body over the last what have you been doing you have to consider two things you can't just consider the signal that's very important okay so these are both very important the signal is important it's also very important they're both very important factors you can't just factor one of those things so if you take someone that always trains straight sets always trains low reps and you ask me the same question in a short period of time you know and say okay for the next four weeks is this person gonna build more strength doing straight sets low reps or doing pyramid sets for you know a little bit of higher reps I'm gonna tell you the pyramid sets for so long you have to consider both factors but again if everything's equal straight sets build more of that that strength that skill aspect that is so important to strength a very very large component of strength comes from the skill of strength and you can see this you know everyday life like if you look at you know in extreme cases if you look at an athlete swinging a bat you know you could take an athlete who's played baseball for years and they could swing a bat and they'll swing it much harder than a bodybuilder who's much much stronger there's a lot of skill involved in swinging a bat a lot of skill that's involved in making that bad move same thing in you know that's a plot that's true for things like squats bench press deadlifts and all those different things so straight sets if all things are considered are probably better for strength but overall long term you should employ you should definitely employ both pyramid sets are great for like phase 3 of you know of maps anabolic or maps aesthetic for example where you're trying to get more of a pump that's when I like to play around with the reps a little bit because now I'm squeezing more blood into the muscle they really both belong somewhere in your programming and again going back to you know what was so special about maps and also why I don't care who you are what your goal is whether it be strength hypertrophy endurance type training I 100% stand by I think everybody should go through all of the programs because there's there's something that is going to contribute to all of those goals doesn't matter if it's strength doesn't matter if it's hypertrophy fat loss doesn't matter what it is every one of the phases are designed that they will contribute now you know when you do these when we get it and this is what I don't like about you know what's what the fitness industry has done is we've created all these camps you know you have literally people that call them strength camp and you know pyramid setting and you have these different camps that are out there and you know this is their way of training because there's studies to show that oh when you do straight strats this is the straight sets this is the best way to build strength well yeah of course in a six week study compared to somebody else who's doing circuit based training or some bullshit so I mean I fell into a lot of these traps yeah all of us did I would read like bodybuilding magazines and they'd say um to build mass the best rep range is this and guess which rep range I fucking stayed in right I trained forever I trained literally six to eight reps for fucking years because that was the because I was because I read a study that said for the for the for to build the most amount of mass this is the this is the training where you should be this rest period this way and so like a young kid who's read his first fucking study eight forever because I read a study to back it up and support and the one time you switched to the higher reps right and they probably blew up oh yeah then years later I read something else that was conflicting with that said well no actually you could build a ton muscle this way and I'm like oh shit well I've never even I don't want to get small muscles I don't want to tone my muscles I want big muscles I shouldn't be doing and then I did 15 reps then boom all of a sudden I'm jazzercised I got all this crazy size and what did I do I married there so I think when we get all passionate about topics like this and frustrated when it gets when we get into these splitting hair type of questions is that's what's wrong with this industry is they they want to make these debates on which is better for this well fuck it depends I can make the argument on either one depending on who I'm speaking to and the real answer is everybody should experience the benefits of all of them and then you should just learn to phase them in and out of your workouts that you get from different types of training and then learn when to inject those into your routine so if I know when I first start a new adaptation phase and these are the things that I get and then I notice after this certain period of time those effects start to drop off then I switch to a different you don't understand the difference of the different techniques and why what you're actually trying to accomplish with that people that listen to Mind Pump I want the cycle to be broken there is a cycle that is going on and I still hear it even amongst our own listeners so I'm calling you out if this is one of these the idea of maps and to go through the programming is not to say that this maps is better than that maps or our programs better than this program it's to teach you how to program for yourself for your body the idea is that you go through so my goal to break this cycle of what I see which is I'm running I'm running Jim Stapani's this or oh yeah I'm running Lane Norton's this or oh I'm running Ben Pekolski's this is to break the fucking cycle and learn to create your own programs and that was really the mission behind maps was to take you through all these different types of programs and so you understand the philosophies behind all of them apply them to yourself follow them to a T and then learn how to modify manipulate so especially pay attention to what feels like super new and fresh and like something that are challenging or something that like you would never do like that's something I feel like pay attention to you I feel like somebody and I know this sounds like a fucking commercial right now but we haven't talked about this in a while I feel like somebody who's gone through all of the maps programs should never have to do another program itself doesn't mean they have to follow maps to a T for the rest of life but if you go through every one of the maps programs and understands the program ever again the rest of your life you will have you should have the knowledge if you've been listening to the show utilizing all the tools that we put out there to forever create your own program map super bundle I remember when I was I remember specifically when I was a kid I read an article on German volume training which employs a lot of this so what they would do is they would say so instead of doing all nine sets pick a particular way do the same reps same way all nine sets and I remember reading the article and I did it and BOOM I got all these freaking gains and then I made the same mistake dude I stayed there for way too long and this was like the same cycle that I just repeated over and over again right do something for so long that not only did I get no results I'd get negative results and then at some point in time doing that so people that go through the program like take it take it on like that don't take it on as another you know one of our one of our friends once said this to me and I think it's forever offended me and that's why I talk about it so much is referred to our programs as like ice cream or like programs in general as ice cream that everybody has their own flavor and my answer that is that you know that's the problem with the fitness industry is everybody looks at programs and the reality is that's not like that at all is that that's a majority of the shit out there is just a bunch of flavors but there is a way to learn how to program yourself and that's the idea of going through the programs is for you to learn that process and well the exercise science like I feel like that's a term that not many people like hold as like you know legit anymore like exercise being a science and because of the fact that any any fucking idiot on Instagram can just do some like lunge jumps or whatever and like justify some sort of you know burn calorie sort of goal and attach something to it but it's you know like there actually is a reason and a rhyme for the way that we you know intend to train our body to adapt and to respond like very specifically to this type we're you know introducing it to I hate this other thing that I see all the time too which is that you know do what you love or do what you'll consistently do well yes we've said that on the show before that step one yeah doing something that you do consistently is better than you doing something inconsistently so yeah no shit but the problem with that is people find something you know whatever it is and I'm talking about all modalities they find something that they like and why do they like it because it showed them some sort of results right they take this CrossFit class they take they buy someone's new program online they follow it and whoa for the first time they did something consistently right and it showed them results and now they're married to that like no don't stop there yes be consistent yes you should love and enjoy but don't love and enjoy the workout part of the workout love and enjoy the process of learning about your body and learning about what works for you learn to love the workout that someone introduced to you and you saw a bunch of results the first time because that's everything new that's a new stimulus guess what and then when you learn how to stimulate your body all the time like that you're going to break through all these fucking plateaus next question is Zelezniak Vera damn you're good Doug I could not this is tough we got all the hard names today Zelezniak so does weighted cardio send a different signal to the body than classic cardio yes but not what you're thinking classic cardio I don't know I feel like it needs a jingle it does it's different because it's different so you do get a different signal because it is different but is it the same in the sense that you're just asking your body to become more efficient burning calories yeah it's the same in that sense I can make anything cardio so I can lift weights and send the signal for my body to be more efficient with calories and slow down in metabolism I can do that with running I can do that with crossfit I can do that with any activity this I think she's referring to because I've made a couple references and then I did a post on Instagram about how cardio is a terrible way to burn to lose weight because it does tell the body become more efficient with your calories aka slow down your metabolism and the muscle fibers that gets stressed the most with cardiovascular endurance type training also evolved to become better and stronger without getting bigger because you don't want to get bigger because that burns that requires more energy which is counter to having to you know repetitively do this motion for long periods of time so again these type of activities these endurance based cardiovascular type activities which includes circuit training classes, boot camps they include you know doing tons of exercises back to back even though it's weights all of them are asking your body to become very very efficient with calories and to gain lots of endurance which means you're going to have a slower metabolism over a period of time it's interesting to think about because I remember weighted vests were really popular there for a minute and I was thinking about that in terms of the effectiveness of it like you know what the way that I would use it like let's say that you know I'm playing a sport and how does that translate as far as like okay so if I'm having you know an extra loaded force like going into these movements and trying to be explosive is that really like a better idea of how to train and prepare I mean maybe if I have somebody on my back you know in the sport and I'm trying to overcome that I'm adapting to or I'm wearing pads and I'm wearing a helmet and I'm trying to acclimate to what you're gonna actually have what you're actually gonna have versus like I think what's interesting to me with you know the thought process with that is people just think that like weighing yourself down more means it's better I rarely rarely recommend weighted vest cardio because if we look at cardiovascular activity training and sprinting and you know drills and if I consider all of the overuse injuries and all of the muscle imbalances that are created from them because people don't know how to run people when they get fatigued they start creating bad recruitment patterns and then those are the ones they strengthen weighting that just yeah throw a vest on someone and you're just gonna make it that much worse like oh my knees bother me when I run here's a vest on just what's gonna hurt more and more and so whether you're in a weighted vest or not you're doing an aerobic exercise so you're you're basically using the same operating system you're just less efficient at the aerobic part right exactly that's really the only difference is it's so it's really not that and you're what you're risking like Sal was saying as far as putting weight on your shoulders or back and you're working on weighting and heel striking like crazy tons of repetitions as you fatigue so not a smart way and I think this is the mistake that people make in general with cardio is I think we attach cardio to fat loss and so everybody thinks like oh if I need to lose fat that this is the way and I think it was Melissa's interview we did and you want to know how to use cardio that it should be like the last resort the last tool that you use and said you should have already figured out everything as far as nutrition weight training you're programming all that stuff to get your body to manipulate and change and then you've got this kind of cardio tool and all the different types of cardio from hit to list to steady state so you've got all these different types of tools that are similar that you can start to throw at the body your weight loss yeah if you if you were to compare groups of people and by the way we're talking about just fat loss okay because if you're trying to build stamina totally endurance yeah health like then yeah I mean definitely if you want to build endurance cardiovascular type training is got to be a part of your routine if you want better health some cardio is probably better for you than no cardio it's definitely better for you than no cardio loss perspective cardio is the worst it's one of the worst forms of exercise it does burn the most calories okay so if you were just looking from a calorie burn perspective while you're doing cardio you are going to burn more calories in comparison to other forms of exercise and I've got to stop you right there because I know there's a ton of people that are listening right now they're going like oh no there's no way that's bullshit because every time I've ever wanted more calories while you do it which is fine there's nothing wrong with that but here's the problem over time a relatively short period of time your body starts to adapt to the energy demands that you're calling upon it while you're doing this activity and it also wants to it also wants to reduce its muscle mass because it doesn't need big strong muscles to do cardiovascular activity it just needs efficient muscles that can contract over and over again technically you run better lighter you do and it's just slow twitch muscle fibers don't really build that much so your body adapts by slowing some metabolism down two different ways number one you actually start to burn less calories during the activity so if you take someone who is a runner and you have them run and you measure how many calories they're burning and they're super fit and then you have them go bike or swim and that being efficient at the thing that they practice all the time so that's number one number two and this is again this is proven in several studies you will actually burn less calories throughout the day as well your metabolism will change the way it burns calories will change hormone profiles in extreme cases but it also believe it or not they if you do hard intense cardio early in the day or whatever you'll become less active throughout the day without realizing or lower your your total activity as a result to try and compensate because remember your body evolved through thousands of years of you know being exposed to you know scarcity scarcity with food needing to become efficient in order to hunt and trek down you know animals and they've done studies there's the the hodse I hope I'm pronouncing it right the HADZA tribe which is modern hunter gatherers they just did they've done some studies on them some pretty incredible ones and they found that these modern hunter gatherers didn't burn that many more calories than the average you know couch potato now they're far more active but it's because their body's adapted to that activity and it makes sense again imagine if your body you know imagine if I did cardio today and I got my calorie burned to 4,000 calories that is not a good thing from an evolutionary standpoint my body would want to adapt because how am I every single day every single day in nature just doesn't work resistance training does the opposite resistance training speeds up the metabolism as a side effect because the signal you're sending when you lift weights is we need strength we need muscle and that is more important than being efficient with calories because that's the signal that we're constantly sending so if you lift weights and you do it properly over time maybe not in the short term in the short term lifting weights won't make you lose weight as fast as cardio okay in the medium and long term it's far more effective to the point where you know like we just had a competitor that Adam was training who was a hundred and something like 14 pounds tiny girl walked into a competition eating 1600 calories leading up to the competition she was eating as much as 2600 calories which is more than a lot of men can eat and you know on the her competitors were probably consuming closer to a thousand calories all because her metabolism was kept you know burning hot so so I guess that's a long winded way to answer this question next question is from bitch can move I like when Doug cusses snap most overrated and underrated foods this is kind of a cool one yeah think about this for a minute most overrated and underrated for sure overrated first one that comes to mind tilapia tilapia has to be the most who the hell rates it highly oh my god are you kidding me it's like a staple meal for bodybuilding for bodybuilding I was thinking in terms of taste oh no it's rated for shit oh I think that's what there I think I'm thinking when I think overrated and underrated I'm not thinking at all about food I'm thinking about what people rant and rave talk all about or press like food for sure yeah so I'm thinking along those lines and the things things the skin right tilapia is the most overrated food that people use it was a joke too that Melissa when we were going through she was like hey you know what she asked me to eat fish or I never had to eat tilapia I'm like yeah cause you never said you wanted it you don't have to use tilapia to get super shredded it doesn't work that way so that's an overrated one another overrated one is the pop tart crave it was so funny I had not had a pop tart since I was probably 10 years old they're not they don't taste good they don't taste good and everybody was posting about it like crazy while I was competing I was like I've got to try one of these and what I noticing was I remember trying to eat one I'm thinking like what the fuck is like cardboard then I did it again and then I caught myself starting to crave them and I was like man this is what's happened you get all these guys popping these pop tarts before they go and then I found myself like I can't believe that my body wants this fucking shitty piece of cardboard because I remember the first time I put it in my mouth I'm like this is terrible and then I remember the second time I did it and then I remember oh wow now my body I think that's another overrated food that's out there what's another one that I see lots of people do and that's crazy you know what I haven't had and I just haven't had a desire is the chicken and waffles chicken and waffles I hear so many people talk about and I've just never thought I want fried chicken on my waffles yeah it's pretty good isn't it? yeah it's pretty good but it's like you can eat it and then oh it just destroys you immediately so it's not worth it it's not worth it well that's what I think about right I think I don't know that just sounds like it's going to tear my stomach it's not even worth it overrated this is easy okay along those lines of like you know for health and stuff like that and fitness easy this is easy for me and they're both the same food overrated egg whites completely overrated because it's protein that's another great one whatever companies after you for that one underrated egg yolks is good for muscle building in particular first of all they're very high in nutrients but it's also got some cholesterol which will help you build muscle and you know if you start throwing some egg yolks in there watch what happens to your strength gain so that's an easy underrated form another underrated food is organ meats organ meats like liver kidney heart nobody eats them but they are easily the most nutrient dense foods on the planet you cannot find a food that's higher in certain key minerals like like a liver I mean these organ meats are so prized by you know hunter gatherer societies and you know modern ones even that that's the first thing that they eat or they use as a gift like if they make a successful hunt they'll cut the liver or the heart out and they'll offer it like this very prestigious gift to you know a guest or whatever they're extremely healthy for you as well as far as taste stuff is concerned overrated donuts fucking overrated yeah they're good dude but they're not that good like everybody like everybody relax you feel like shit immediately yeah like it's not like the greatest thing I would definitely agree with that the donuts and the pomptarts I did not introduce them into my life Pazuki though until I hadn't had pomptarts or donuts since I was like probably 10 years old no joke years went by not having donuts or pomptarts in my diet at all and when I got into competing those two things are like those are the foods dude like pomptarts and donuts and because it was I was around it so much I got to the point where I was like well I'm a grown ass doll I can fucking have a donut if I want one right and I remember catching myself having this like conversation right like okay Adam you can have a donut it really was not that good that satisfying I ended up feeling I get stomach aches afterwards and then you do it enough times and it's funny to watch how the body kind of adapts get used to it and then also you start to find yourself craving and then you see what all these people are hooked into you know I never understood the Krispy Kreme like thing either I was around that too cause when I was in Chicago there was a bunch of those too sweet for me oh my god my roommates in college were like they would they would go there late at night when they'd throw them away you know they'd go to a clean house and they'd get like five dozens in a bag and you know pass them out on campus it was gross we have friends of ours that's connected to Mind Pump that you know talk a lot about donuts and their love for donuts and they and they eat donuts all the time and their justification of doing that is you know showing people that you can have a healthy fit life while also having your donut every once in a while and I would challenge that way of thinking and you know ask yourself about your relationship with that food and this is coming from somebody who I watched this happen like I'm not I'll be the first one I was eating donuts when I was competing I was eating donuts and right before that I had donuts for 15 plus years and so really I saw whoa how much these things were made to get me to crave them and want more of them I went years without having them it wasn't like I had this connection I need to but then all of a sudden you start to now you're fitting it right I lived years not having it and so it took me a little while after competing to get out of eating any of those foods it's now been years you know I gotta I gotta go kind of on a different sort of direction like as far as what sort of mom and dad sort of crowd think is healthy and what is like way overrated in my opinion so just in terms of like snacks or like you know health foods and like so it's like making salads like so you go to somebody's house and they make you a salad and it's like iceberg lettuce like here's your vegetables celery and I'm like what the fuck there's like no nutrients in it at all it's all water it's the same thing with watermelon like they're bringing and they're just like hyping the fact that it's fruit man it's fruit it's so good for you I'm like there's nothing in here I'm not getting shit from this this is like why'd you just give me a glass of water you bitch exactly just give me a little bit of water give me a glass of water the same thing it's like so fucking ridiculous now you made a good point Adam because think about it this way this is actually kind of mind blowing we all can think of that one food that if someone told us we could never eat again we'd be like oh no I can never eat again it's not really the food there's not a single food that I've ever eaten in my entire life where if I'm being totally objective if I eat it and it's fucking life changing like I can never never have this food again it's because of the emotional connection someone told me you can never have you know you know lasagna ever again I would suck because I grew up eating lasagna it's not because lasagna is delicious but it's not I've never had a food that was so good it's like someone telling me I can never have sex again you know what I mean there really isn't any foods that exist like that there's a lot of people that would like have these sort of feelings that's because there's an emotional connection 100% there is there's so many good foods out there that most of us don't even experience all of them in our entire lifetime I got a good one so I find it fascinating when we attach ourselves to these foods and we try and justify it with our exercise and being healthy fit people that hey you too again why why we went on you know quite some time there we're beaten up IIFYM and it's been a while since we beat them up but this is a good time to beat them up some more this is the problem that I had with it because I think that it promotes these bad relationships with food and nobody wants to admit it like that's you know I'm not saying that the structure of it and learning how to count your macros no if you fucking are still hung up on us talking about this and that's all you see like you're an idiot it's not that it's the relationship that you're teaching yourself this you know reward take away relationship with certain foods and I'm going to eat a certain way so I could fit this food into my macros it's like what does that say like if you have to bring it into your macros what does that say about your relationship unhealthy relationships occur out of that right you're exercising to you know burn excess amount just to justify the shitty foods and then having the shitty foods enter into your diet you're actually making it a much bigger deal than it is what's happening here's a good underrated food that just came to mind when we were kids any time a kid on TV or a cartoon character or whatever they didn't like what was the vegetable that they always talked about was gross broccoli or brussel sprouts brussel sprouts brussel sprouts so good when I was a kid I didn't we never really ate brussel sprouts when I was a kid in my family but I knew that they were gross because everybody on TV said brussel sprouts are so underrated brussel sprouts are fucking delicious if you make them the right way they're one of my favorite vegetables kids are my experience brussel sprouts were always like steamed with nothing on them they are bitter like that which now brings me to another underrated food butter and I'll eat the fuck out of it I did not eat butter for a very very long time and I also didn't eat a lot of vegetables and my food profile is flipped on its head compared to what it was just five years ago like I eat completely different than what I used to eat and butter is part of that reason because I've now found all these recipes with things like you just mentioned brussel sprouts and baby spinach and broccoli and asparagus like I will I'll eat the shit out of a bowl of vegetables that is flavored up with good fats and stuff on it like using some olive oil and balsamic vinegar and butter and things like that on the man a big plate of vegetables that's done up like that with like a good fatty a good fatty piece of meat or lean meat oh man you know what it is gross though lima beans really? yeah they might not be now but I mean I haven't grown up my grandma would make them for me I like them on myself you know like them do you guys remember I don't remember where we were but remember that that dish of brussel sprouts that Doug made yes that was at the house god damn he sent Katrina and I on a kick that's a staple meal now what did you put in that Doug it was so I know what that is that's the recipe we make he's got balsamic in there he's got ghee he has bacon and we balsamic bacon ghee what else am I missing Doug shallots walnuts that's right walnuts and shallots that was so good I can't wait till we start making recipes for people so we take that recipe and because it has balsamic in it we make this bison recipe that has like a balsamic type of a sauce and balsamic mushroom and something garlic and something else so we do the bison and those Brussels sprouts and it's a oh man that's a staple meal that we and you know what this is a type of stuff I would not have ate that two or three years ago so back to what we originally started with the like donuts because I want to address the people that attached themselves to these meals and that all never naughty pizza or all never eat donuts or all like that's got to be in there you know you got to find a way in there it's like again address your relationship with that no one's telling you you can't have great foods just like again so many great foods out there you'll probably never experience all of them in your entire life so instead of being hung up and attached to this one thing that you you think that you love so much when if you really evaluate how you feel after you consume it you probably don't love it that much you've just attached yourself to it and for some reason now you're scheduling your macros and your workout or you're calling it a cheat day and you're justifying it because you had five, six good days and now you just fuck off the entire day so again not addressing the root cause of what's really going on next question is from Jimmy Rockel what are your views and thoughts on western medical practices including surgeries? gallbladder removal surgery is estimated to be over 700,000 in the united states and is one of the most profitable often times it is truly unnecessary but the doctors insist on removing it can you guys make different approaches other than surgery? I understand sometimes surgery is necessary but believe more holistic approaches are needed for cases that aren't quite as serious typical you know what this reminds me of what it's like being a trainer okay and I know right now that we're sponsored by Organifi and you know for many episodes we've talked about that's not a priority when you first start there's other bigger options yet I still think that it can benefit some people that are not getting enough nutrients like for example like I have seen a big difference myself because I don't consistently get my vegetables as much as I do like them and try to get four to six servings every day it's just a fact I don't so supplementing with the Organifi green juice has been a game changer for me but is it necessary probably not as necessary is there other things that people should focus on first when I get into these surgeries in some way with you know some of these surgeries sure they can help that person it's one of those things I feel doctors can recommend because they know it won't hurt them you know it's like oh we could have them do this and they can still it's a fix of some sort right it's a fix of some sort but it's really not addressing the root cause of why it's typical it's typical old school Western medicine the attitudes are starting to change but it's typical you're okay without that therefore we probably don't need it in the first place and this was the attitude so wisdom teeth wisdom teeth is one of my favorites you know they say we don't need wisdom teeth they're bad for you in your mouth you know right now just so you guys know too right now we have a dentist cause we have tons of dentists that listen to us bring it and he's gonna say and this happens to us every show that we do this somebody sends something that I removed it's like this so we wouldn't have evolved if wisdom teeth were so dangerous and bad for us we wouldn't have evolved with them it would have caused us problems in fact tooth decay or anything with your teeth if you're evolving through the most human civilization you would have died you would have died with bad teeth that would have been a major problem so we evolved with wisdom teeth they fit fine in our mouths and we use them but the reason we don't have room for them or there's infection is just because we have shitty fucking life styles we bad diets there's been some studies have shown that grain heavy diets or poor diets cause the development of the mouth to be too small or crowded kids with braces and crooked smile actually if you look at the studies of Weston A. Price who was a dentist that traveled the world he noticed that modern hunter gatherers all had these incredibly clean straight teeth none of them brush their faces and he couldn't figure out why and he ended up you know deducing that it was their diet it's very very healthy diets and that caused their teeth to develop in very good straight ways they didn't need the removal of like I said their wisdom teeth same thing with the gallbladder and the appendix and the tonsils you know tonsils for example kids would get an infection remove them kid gets much better boom let's give everybody you know let's remove tonsils like crazy certain germs from getting into the body you can I've always wondered because I had mine taken out when I was like seven years old I've always wondered if that's part of the reason why I get sick all the time easier than the average person I always thought there was some sort of a correlation to that well I mean appendix is another one like the appendix it stores good bacteria why would we have that well you know flushes your body out of all of its bacteria how do you repopulate your body with your good bacteria well your appendix stores it same thing with you know the gallbladder with gallbladder stones like the problem is when we tell people you know we have two options either it's change your lifestyle okay so if you have like appendicitis and it's acute and it's going to rupture yes remove it because it could kill you but there's studies that now show that mild cases of appendicitis can be treated they don't need to get it removed and then it just look at your lifestyle same thing with the gallbladder the problem is when you tell people to change their lifestyle versus we can just cut it out and then you'll be fine what do you think most people are going to want you know what I'm saying most people will be like we'll just cut it out versus okay you have gallbladder stones let's look at your lifestyle let's look at your diet you eat like this let's change that let's add probiotics let's you know your diet is too heavy and processed foods and maybe you should move more and exercise more and people be like okay so that I don't even have to worry about it and that's how I feel even like the supplementation game is it's like instead of like addressing what you probably need to get into your diet using something like a green juice or a supplement to supplement it in emergencies when you need it versus I'll just fucking cut it out do it I'll just take the pill or I'll just take this because I'm too lazy to do that no doubt in my mind that whole foods are a better route than taking any supplement I don't care how organic or how great it is to be able to get all of your vitamins and minerals so here's a great option and that's what surgery should be I think you know in the same category but think about it this way something if something you're doing with your lifestyle is causing you to have gallbladder issues and you remove the gallbladder you may have solved the symptom which is gallbladder stones right but you have not fixed the root problem or the root cause does that mean that now you've eliminated all symptoms from the problem no some of the other symptoms may be much more subtle may take much longer to manifest in your body and if you don't address that root problem you may cause health problems in the future or other side effects that may seem more subtle or more chronic that you don't necessarily connect or it may cause a problem with things you can't cut out you may have a systemic autoimmune issue now that you can't just you can't just remove and then of course when you remove these things you are going to change the way your body works with the gallbladder for example because that's the example they gave you're not going to produce bile the same way when you eat high fatty foods and you may have to take digestive enzymes every time you eat a meal that's high in fat I know people like this I know people who've had their gallbladder removed and when they go out to eat they take their digestive enzymes because now they have to supplement to give their body what their you know what their it's crazy that we are this way with the human body but we aren't this way with anything else like we only treat our human body like this like even the way something as simple as like a fucking car we treat a car better a car comes in and the left right tire right is worn out more yeah the left rear sorry the left rear tire is worn out more on the inside and you know if you had this way of thinking if we treated our car the same way we treat our bodies that come in because it's like your doctor your mechanic right so you we treated the same way the mechanic would say here's a new tire you know here's a new tire and just keep doing that and just keep doing that here's a new tire it's like well wait a second why does it keep getting worn down more than all the other three tires that I have to keep replacing this tire at a faster rate and think of all the other things it's easier and the mechanic would make more money doing that they would and it's also whatever's causing it to do that that may be more subtle that may take longer to manifest and the human body is many many many you know millions of times more complex than a car so you know now try to connect the dots it's very very difficult but if you have these outward symptoms you know try to identify what may be causing them and it's typically not just one thing it's many things and then you want to have to be in this position but I will say this and it's starting to change now they are starting to learn they don't do they don't remove tonsils at nearly the rate that they used to they don't remove appendixes at nearly the rate they used to if it's mild enough sometimes they will prescribe antibiotics and then have you changed a few things same thing with the gallbladder you know there are procedures now where they can actually go in and zap the stone so they don't have to remove your gallbladder I had torn my ACL and MCL and it's crazy because I remember getting the MRI and I still had kind of swelling going on and so there's a lot of uncertainties to how much damage was going on in there and I remember like how quick they are to want to go under the knife because that's like an instant $30,000 to $40,000 like we're going to cut you open you may not need the surgery because we don't know yet until we get in there because it looks like they may not be intact still because it's still really swollen and it's like there's this push to do the surgery because it's like they know as soon as they get under the knife it's $30,000 and what ends up happening and I would love to look at the stat and I'm sure there's a stat for this on how many knee surgeries where they don't even actually replace anything they go under they open it up they go to do orthoscopic surgery and realize that you know you scope it out you clean it up a little bit and you sew them back up but then you bill them for $30,000, $40,000 because you have that's what it costs to do this shit and your insurance gets charged it's a fucking hustle it becomes like it no longer becomes about what is potentially best for the patient right now and it's like what can I do safely that I can get the most amount of money out of them is really what it's more about it's like oh okay I can get rid of their gall better they don't really need that. Some of the responsibility goes to the patient you've got you know Mr. Johnson who's 50 pounds overweight he's got poor recruitment patterns has knee pain and you say look here's your two options option one we're going to work on your nutrition you're going to need to change that we need you to lose 50 pounds we're going to take about a year to do it I want you to see a trainer two days a week to correct muscle imbalances so that you walk differently so that your knee stops hurting and that your hips are functioning better which one do you think a lot of people are going to pick right you know so it's both sides both sides that we're doing but then you're going to look long term well and then you fix any of those recruitment patterns therefore you're going to get the same wear and tear down the road it's inevitable and then we're going to have to do another surgery and you see multiple surgeries happen as a result of this as well because people don't really understand the fact that what caused the injury in the first place well it's crazy that we even let it get that far and then that we actually even give that as an option because if you're being true to yourself as and I remember when we talked to Dr. Marcola you know he talks about this as a physician he's all there becomes a point where you know you ask yourself like am I going to be in the business of truly trying to help and and help progress medicine and help people or am I going to be in the business of making a business for myself I mean you really have to ask that which is very similar we at one point we all had to look at ourselves and say listen are we in this to make money because we're in this to make money these are much better routes than the route we're going right now it's like so you have to ask yourself like what is it that you really want to do and if you're somebody who really wants to and I think you as a patient or you have to you have to search for this you have to look for this like what are what are the motives behind this person that's helping me right now are they looking for this I had a client come to me who had carpal tunnel syndrome and her husband was my client so he brought her she was going to get carpal tunnel surgery on her wrist and she was going to do it and like I think it was like two months or something like that and the reason why she had to wait was she didn't want to take the time off because she had to take time off workers so I'll wait 60 days he convinced her to tell her like I could fix it because I don't know what I could you know if I could I couldn't but I did say hey at the at least what we could do is we could strengthen you enough so that when you do go into the knife that the atrophy of your muscles and stuff doesn't affect you as negatively within fucking 30 days her pain was gone she didn't get the surgery anymore and I have a lot of examples of that so yeah I know it's crazy check it out we give it number one it's mind pump TV that's the channel also if you go to mindpumpmedia.com you can enroll in our 30 days of coaching for free mindpumpmedia.com if you enjoy this show please share the love by leaving us a 5 star rating and review on iTunes and by introducing mind pump to your friends and family we thank you for your support and until next time this is mind pump