 Hello everybody, if it's Wednesday, it's Warhammer and that must mean it's time for another episode of Warhammer Weekly Joining me as always is my co-host Tom. What's up, buddy? Hello friends Tom himself is an eater of Tomes. That's well known. So Watch out exactly watch out. Yeah, you do read a lot of books. So there you go. That's what eating Tomes is, right? Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's what that is. Yeah, that's what it is So this week we're gonna be breaking down broken realms of bellicor. Don't worry We won't talk spoilers or anything like that from the story until the very end and we will clearly notate when that happens We're gonna spend a lot of time on all the rules and everything in there We're gonna try to do this all in one shot. So hopefully this one show one shot Eminem don't let us down. Okay. Here we go. That's right Imagine you only had one shot to talk about broken realms bellicor. Okay, so Here we go. We have like another book coming out next week or something, right? Yeah, exactly two weeks until the next book, right? So anyways, but first off, of course, we've got a lot of news news is happening things are happening Rumor engine Yeah, it's up It's a staff. It's a staff of a zingy thing. I'm my guests. Yes, everybody think everybody there It's just gonna be like the staff of a 40k guy Yeah, like my my vote is a I think it's a zinge thing I don't know what that zinge thing is, but I think it is a 40k chaos sorcerer guy Yeah, that's probably gonna happen. Yep. Unfortunately. It just feels like we would all go. Oh, of course It's a cool AOS thing. Maybe maybe more, you know Zingy mortal people. Nope. Nope. It'll be a 40k thing Yeah, and we're all gonna be disappointed and that's fine So, but let's go let's hit the LRL rules. Yeah, we're cry went up on the side. That's exciting They did that is very exciting I mean, it's gonna be really awkward with those pipes like reaching all the way across the board like halfway across the Warcry board. Yeah, you're in your starting zone and you can attack people in the midfield with them. Yeah, it's pretty good Yep Three entries is pretty nice in Warcry. Yeah, really really gets out there. No, I mean, I'm glad to see it. It was obviously a It was obviously like a lacking part of the range than you that you didn't have your LRL rules, right? Mm-hmm and So the fact that I love when they do stuff like this work right gets this a lot Where they'll just like hey, here's a bunch more content because I should mention it has the LRL rules in it Which is obviously relevant But it also has Like a whole but more set of like narrative sort of campaign situation as well. Yeah So, I mean they like It's always a good time to be a war cry player. Apparently you're just getting they're just like look We're just putting out stuff. You just get I mean when was you're gonna make fun of me on this When was the last time that they released the war cry army cards? Oh God, I don't know man. Are we a year out? I mean, they're all I look they're on the books. I understand that but like the last December or no last January so like literally like Probably what 13 months out from the last actual release when we got like the Nerval cards and stuff like that Well, I mean no because the the shadow Stonkers were in between there What are they? Yeah, that's true. I mean you're gonna forget about shadow Stonkers like Yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're thinking about like independent factions and stuff like that. Sure I mean, you had yeah, you had multiple things come out after that You have had multiple like hey here's some free rules and cool. Yeah, like I like work articles You've had shadow Stonkers and I'm not guys I'm not critiquing the the box. Sure, right? It's like if the box came out and we had like the shadow Stonkers and the flaming guys and all that this fall this fall I'm just more talking about the reality of Like support for armies like what you would expect was it which is the LRL cards? Like the last time they released any cards that are like specifically for existing armies Yeah, I mean, you're very obsessed with cards in recent shows. I Well, that's what then that's I was like you're gonna make fun of me clearly But again game aides are really important. Yes They decided to not do cards and to just put it all in a book I'm just how they normally have this information. I mean, I it's it's just terrible like we're playing a different game here This is not a OS. This is war cry Yes, that is a factually true statement. I don't disagree with that You've you've seized it Tom This is the kind of cutting-edge reporting people Breaking news war cry is in fact a different game than a OS More in this war on the story as it develops. I like my war cry cards. It's all saying I also like my My army of action cards, but you know, that's where we're at. Well, you had a lot of friends who also like war scroll cards So there you go. Oh, it's a popular comment Yes, thank you everybody for representing 20 to 30 people who commented that so you're not alone in the world you could you could fill a medium-sized Starbucks Yeah, sure Okay, so our cards, but more importantly We had the flautist the flautist. Yeah, boy There he is He's wiggling. Um, yeah, he is Okay, I love this dude. Do you? All right. Okay, can't be like He's adorable sure He is like interesting. There's a bunch of textures on him. Sure. Yeah It answers some questions about the fate of Orion Okay, he became a club No, Orion skull is on this base. Sure. Um, and we know how and baby ample ambles are born Okay, okay I have many thoughts on this guy Can I add an additional to sorry good It more most importantly it tells me we're getting sylvanas support and another broken realms book sure beyond What's his face? Beyond crag knows Yes beyond crag for crag knows. Yeah Yeah, uh, you know multiple thoughts. I think everybody called sylvanas from the second We saw the silhouette on this guy right because you could see the little soul pod amorphay things So that checks out That cloak is probably very dirty and very annoying it must catch on everything He's walking around in the middle of a bunch of spiky horns. He's not walking anywhere. He's floating Yes, I understand that at the moment. He's floating my point is if he better float all the time Because if he ever touches down like that cloak is gonna get snagged on all of that stuff look at all that stuff That cloak is getting snag. That's what I'm saying. I think that you don't think that headpiece is getting snagged As well, we continue our journey into like ever-excessive insane Headpieces, I mean I can see why people love this guy They decided to unify the aesthetics to really give a touch of of elvin Access right sure with this guy Yeah, I mean It's a weird choice to have him floating and also stepping Yep, like I think about the mechanics of that you can float Okay, do you float like this? Apparently no. Like that would be a very uncomfortable position to hold you like that. Well, I mean Superman does right? He's like No, Superman's legs go straight. That's literally what Superman does. But not what he launches When he launches like one knee goes up. No, what are you talking? Anyways, we're not getting into this. Don't make me screen share I'll pull an image of Superman. We're not getting into this. He's not launching. He's either jumping But he can probably, I'm sure this guy can fly Uh, so but at any rate, I hate the bugs. That's what it comes down to if people like this guy You don't like the ampoules. No, I hate I assume. It's a little baby wardrobe beetle or something Um, no, it's an ample sure. I mean it does look similar. I'm not gonna lie um But yeah, like I I do not it's not no this isn't for me, but again aesthetics are personal I'm not judging him overall. It seems fine. I I'm just saying like boy does that guy seem he's too busy in my in my estimation Um, I like all the textures even if you don't I I don't like the textures I don't have any problem with the textures. I like his little leafy cloak And I think it's actually pose and the thing around his back that I don't that are the only elements I don't I don't like If we're gonna if we're gonna get to that Like he's got woody lower half and elfie upper half. I like that aesthetic. I like the mixed aesthetic Uh, the leafy cloak looks good. I like the skull and the little vines growing. I just don't love this thing But I I could handle that thing if it wasn't full of bugs I don't like insects and I don't like insects growing on Top of somebody else it does it that the figure breaks my brain. That's the best way I can say Like I look at him and I'm like, I don't know where to look on this thing or what's he's very off center I remember when we played a d&d game years ago and I started doing these like the facehugger Like oh, yeah, and you know, I straight out of that. I was straight out of that you're like, nope I'm not open out of this. Yeah, exactly. I really don't like bugs man. Sorry. So there we go. I can go Um, like I have no problem with them existing in the world. I understand they're important to the ecosystem just exist over there Like where I'm not And then we're fine Right, so that's that's all I'm asking of especially giant insects that are that hatch out of massive eggs It's fine. It's fine. Yeah. No weird too weird And I like well, but this isn't my kind of weird. You do and I'm just like, yeah more of this Let's go alien species. Let's do this. This is a great example of how aesthetics are so personal, right? Yeah, to me, it's just like there's the really like in kujo said it I think well, I think I like I agree with his comment They're like it's kind of hard to read what's happening Like there's a lot of different lines going in directions that are hard for me to read He's floating eerily Um, but he's not he's not the gentleman float eerily. He's action pose floating He's action jumping while seemingly like his but his cloak isn't billowed enough to represent that His hair is lazily out Right. Yes, and like it's like a ghostly. It's like a ghostly weird like Uh underwater style floating, I guess right and as he plays his his horn His sideways weird horn. Yeah, which is a bad line Right, which is a bad line. I don't disagree. It like it but it points like right ahead of his jaw, which is a funny thing Um, he's like he's summoning these things. He's making them hatch. Yeah, he's waking up his little bug his head bugs Yeah, at any rate, I don't love him. His lies Yeah, he's working up. It's like headlights. Yes, exactly. All right. Let's not just talk about this guy But I look I'm happy for Sylvanas tomorrow. So that's cool I love the uh, I love the model like this is one that I looked at and I'm like, yeah, I dig this guy. Cool I love that. I like like I aesthetics are so personal, you know Sometimes you see a model and it hits and sometimes it doesn't it's hard to really know why Right, like we can reverse explain it like I just did with my bs about lines But really it's just like it's a sort of very bouillet personal sense of things right when you see stuff It is it is And I am down make Sylvanas weird. Yeah, right right on weirder go weirder. Yes Um, so we uh, have been told that pre-orders are returning may 8th It's high bore for 40k. Yay Sure, but the important part is that's where they come back online Probably with the thing they literally already have sitting in warehouses. That's just like right. They know will be available Yeah, it's already been distributed basically Right, right and then the uh Uh warhammer fest online next week, baby So, yes, let's talk about this here. I've got a graphic. I've got a graphic. Okay, go. Oh man Yes, what are they gonna talk about with aos? Well, I think on monday, they're gonna talk about aos on tuesday. They're gonna talk about warhammer 40 000 on wednesday Yeah, we know that's not sorry. Yeah, you're just literally reading the graphic. That's not what I got. What are they announcing? On monday soulblade stuff All the rest of the soulblade stuff Because that's that's this little symbol right here This is the soulblade symbol So then what are they announcing on thursday? Which is like for boxed games I don't know. I I do not know. It's a good question I mean, I know what they're announcing on saturday And then what are they announcing on saturday? Uh, this thing right here, which is the stormcast symbol Which is aos 3 right Like it was a new chamber three years ago this weekend that I was sitting there in the Yeah, riko arena or whatever yeah, when they announced aos 2 and we did the whole graphic about uh We can't solve all your problems by opening another chamber Uh, yinny says the hell I can't and then he slams the button And obviously we know aos 3 is coming worst kept secret in the history of secrets as we'll talk about in just a moment So time to crack a new chamber. Yeah, it's time to crack a new chamber. It's time to aos 3 it up Let's get this going Let's get out those protonian stormcast or whatever we've been talking about A lot of stuff we'll talk about later in the narrative. I think gives us some Some ideas of where stormcast are going and um, and let's just get it announced like 40k Was also a may announcement by the way. Yep. Yep. So like yep Like saturday the 8th of may is when they would announce this for an early july release A box the value of the indominus box. Yes You do Yes, a thousand percent. Yes The question you just asked is are they going to be keen to print money? Yes Do I think this would be the indominus box? It was like a $450 value on models, wasn't it or something ridiculous? It was crazy. But and yet the answer is yes We'll get a crazy launch box like that because They have to try to equal what they did last year with ninth That's how financial targets work You don't get to go to your shareholders and be like, we'll see last year We launched our flagship games new edition and that's a really really popular game It's our most popular product this year. We it's we have a very popular secondary game not quite as popular though So, you know, this box we just won't sell as much Um, so we won't make as much money this year. So we hope that's okay with you shareholders That's not how capitalism works Okay, infinite growth is what people expect So as a result, they have to like Just try to be disappointed. Yeah, they they got to try to dig themselves out of this hole that they created by probably doing both this and like, uh, a full on the the necromunda Thing box coming out and probably a new kill team edition launch too this year Like they'll probably try to do both Um, maybe that's what they'll talk about on the box games things. I don't know. It might be a kill team thing um But anyways, they'll do Uh Yeah, I mean they'll do aos 3.0 And it'll be a big box and it'll be a sexy box with some kind of storm cast and some kind of destruction There you go so, um You know The future it Plastic is more expensive right now Like yeah, this weird thing is happening where yes plastic is getting a lot more expensive Uh So but that being said, I'm sure they'll take this as low as they can it might be a little bit More Then the endominus box was like I could see them up pricing at 10 bucks or 20 bucks or something You know more than a dominance was the endominus was like 220 or something wasn't it like 200 I think but you know Like my point is I could see a small creep for them trying to this would have been printed back when they were still paying Normal price for plastic, right? All the stuff's already printed box right Yep, so like it's said that these boxes exist. They're in a warehouse in nottingham right now Or or in other places so right or on on Various shipping things right to other contents. Yes, right Well, I'm excited Yeah, I mean when you look at the symbols, it's like it's pretty straightforward. It's like, okay Sisters of battle new storm cast thing for aos 3. Right the um that necromunda thing the orc Beast nagas that we'll we'll learn all about 40k and you know the blood dragons so Yep I'm excited Yeah, I mean I'm kind of excited I'm honestly a little bit excited for whatever day they do those new Beast nag it works because I want to see if there's anything else I can steal for For iron jaws. That's that's all I'm watching that day for I should be like, what can I harvest here for iron jaws? So a lot of fun. Yeah Who we thought um And speaking of aos 3 Let's talk about those aos 3 leaks Big story this week. That is some breaking news. We've got the list labs that we recommended a couple weeks back our pal smorgan Good man Gotta have him on the show sometime It'd be great. Uh, I don't know how we haven't done that yet. Smorgans an awesome dude And uh, he He he broke a story wide open Talking about he's seen the aos 3 core rules and here are some of his things That he wants to share and he was very clear in the video that there is more beyond this This isn't the whole story, but according to him. These are the changes So you want to talk these through real fast Sure, uh, the first being that there will be a new set of Seemingly allegiance or not allegiance abilities on command abilities. That will be charge reactions. Yep They will be one that basically lets you like flee d6 inches I think one that lets you like set for charge and gives you plus one to save And one that uh, lets you basically stand and shoot So minus one to hit but you get to uh, shoot all your guns Yes, and these are only declarable The other thing that was mentioned was they're only declarable if the if the charger is within like a certain range of you or something Yeah, there's some limitation we know. Yeah, there's some limitation Like if somebody I think the limitation that they mentioned was if it's like a long bomb charge Like if somebody comes in from nine inches away You don't get to declare because like you didn't like they you didn't expect to be charged by them because they were too far away or something like that Something like that Still playing that slot. Um Yep Uh Where'd my there? I guess. Um modifiers, uh hit wound and say we gotta we gotta we gotta evaluate these a little more Tom If this is true, do you like this concept? Again, we're evaluating based on what we currently know So this our opinions could change it could be subject to change when you learn more, of course But right now, what do you think about it? Uh, I'm not ready to evaluate this without talking about the other pieces Um, okay, we'll do all of them and then we'll do an evaluation. Go ahead. Yeah, let's do all of them And the reason why is because like this wouldn't necessarily be bad If we weren't hitting the refresh button on all of our command points every turn sure Um, and it's some well, let's I'm gonna hit all the get all let's just do this Yeah, okay. So modifiers to hit wound and save bonuses are going to be capped at one Plus or minus one. Yep. So No more hit stacking and no more save stacking and no more wound stacking or debuffs. Um Yep, uh, I'm glad we're here I agree took us five years But this thing that was we said should have happened a long time ago. I agree I was like half tempted to like I'm not gonna say that. Um, all say is that I this was some of the feedback that I offered gw a long time ago in a formal letter And 2017. Yes Uh, it was before that It would have been right after the first chp in 2016 Anyways, it doesn't matter. Oh, yeah, it was yeah, it was january 2017. Yes, it would have been right after Um, and we're we're there. So I'm like, I'm thankful. That's what I'm gonna say I'm glad that we've all come around Um to the same kind of design vision Right. Uh, this modifier as far as we know right now, we know it applies to hits wounds and saves. We don't know if it applies to anything else Right. So like somebody asked could is this bravery stacking? Is there gonna be bravery bombings or anything? Who knows? I don't know. We we don't know what else it it affects It feels to me like those would be the three you would hit if I was writing this rule Right, that's what I would be most concerned about. I would not be surprised if it applies to everything else I mean, there's certain things you just can't apply it to like move for example That doesn't make any sense in terms of move, right? Because you have too many things that like half move or do Do we're play with weird fractions and stuff like that? But sure I'm just saying like if I had to pick the three things I wanted it to apply to These would be the three Yeah, I hadn't actually considered that on move because That really hurts my KO build Yeah, I mean like it's just it's just not going to apply to move There's just no world where this plus one minus one implies to move. It just doesn't They didn't write lubaneth and write a bunch of extra movement crap To then like invalidate that eight seconds later. I would think but we'll talk about something else They're writing that they're invalidating here a few seconds, right? Yeah, so uh command points apparently are going to um basically refresh at the top of the battle round And go away at the bottom of the round. So burn them if you got them Um Style command points where you're going to want to spend all of them not unlike how obr's Dpr or whatever they're called refresh The rdp, but yes rdp. There it is. I don't know. I don't play that faction. Um I I have their worst wall card. So yeah, so um to just to read to restate what you just said You gained your command points at the beginning of the battle round meaning like You can't Like obviously the concern right now is you get alpha to the top of one you have no if you don't have any command points Then you can't battle shock immune people or whatever right that kind of right, but you get a true You would have command points. You would have command points, right? And it raises all kinds of questions of like, how do you get extra command points? What do you like do will battalions? So grant command points like that So there's a bunch of other things that will need to be answered. Sure. Can you buy extra command points? um Relatedly and I would argue probably the most Severe news to come out Is that battalions are gone from match play and are being replaced by general battalions? Meaning that there will be a handful of generic battalions That'll be like three battle line units and one hero or something or one monster and two other units or whatever Um And those will be the only battalions that will be legal and matched play. Yes And then this is this is the yeah, go ahead. We're not commenting yet. Yeah turn three objective removal So in new scenarios, apparently whoever wins turn three Whoever's on the bottom of that turn at the start of turn three. They get to remove an objective off of the battlefield Um, and all snooze scenarios have been written for a smaller board and so the board size itself will be a lot smaller And then baked into the system. There will be primary and secondary objectives Yes Yep, so Reactions Reactions, okay. Let's break this down. Here we go lots of questions rolling in first off I'll link the video down in the description for smorgans so you can go watch his longer video where he talks through all of it Um, I think I'll do a long another video on it. I'm sure in the future as he continues breaking news Uh zina as far as we know these are real changes. Yeah, I mean smorgans had his eyes on the book He said so he says I tend to believe smorgans He's a pretty well known well respected person like I've met the guy personally He's not the type of person who would make a video like this of Of junk so I tend to believe him. Okay, um, you know, like he's he's just not that type of person Okay, right now At the same time, maybe he's pulling like some uh, some and some, um I can't think of his name man of the moon. Uh, jim carry documentary guy crap Doesn't matter He's a comedian somebody will say it in the comments and I can't remember it But he's a very funny comedian who did lots of pranks. Maybe he's gone full that Uh At any rate, okay, we're gonna assume this is real reactions Uh, I love all of it Assuming that the other things around it are built correctly to support it Yeah, I think I think that's a good word My initial concerns when I read the list Was that in lieu of severe like a a like severe updating of a lot of war scrolls There's going to be a lot of winners and losers here Like Like there's going to be some hard swings in the meta is what I'm saying on the other side of this Yeah, sure. Uh, for example, like city's going to be a huge winner of this new world Well, again, seemingly from information presented here, there could be other things that swing this back around one direction or another Yes, I agree. I agree. Um for me, I think the biggest gut punch Uh was the loss of battalions Yeah Um, because and this gets to a design problem arguably a problem That there are some factions right now that crutch On to battalions like the entire battalion carries the faction and without that battalion Like the faction loses real core capabilities um And that really concerns me for a lot of those factions because it could still be another two years before they get a book Um, yeah, so oh by the way, I do want to shout out grim dark live Hey, what's up grim dark? This does align with a lot of stuff grim dark said when they broke the same pieces of information back in in march Thank you. Absolutely grim dark I didn't I meant to shout that out at the top and didn't so I'm very sorry grim dark Yes, this aligns with like they're clearly consonant with the other rumors that we heard from grim dark. Absolutely. Yep. Yeah Yeah, and I would argue other things that I've heard from elsewhere Yes, and I will as I said, I'll link the video down in the description. Yeah, so here's my thoughts on the battalion thing Yeah I agree with you. This is the one that feels the most like Like we've said many many times in the history of this show All design choices carry good and bad consequences. Yes, right and uh It's if you want to search for the video, it's aos list labs. That's the name of the the youtube channel at any rate, um the The good the the bad of this is pretty prima facie obvious. We've come to see these battalions as a part of our army construction creation process for some armies Right, right, right. Like I never make a night haunt list without death riders Sure. Sure. Sure. And I mean, I'm sure each of us could tell similar stories about some armies, right? Um, so like for example, I don't I've never written a an iron jaws army without a battalion, right? Right, whereas in other armies that might not be the case at all Right, like I've written about a bajillion scaven lists without a battalion Right, right or or like my city's lists don't have battalions or whatever, right? You can you can pick some or some have battalions they they include some have battalions They never include some have battalions that they sometimes use like it runs the gamut here. Yeah, sure Certainly, we're still on news aid um The my general feeling is Yes, that sucks to lose things the only one that really hurts is the boc god marked battalions So like please find some way to replace that engine, which it's okay Like you could there could be new ways to do that, right? They could put out a new boc book They should do that anyways Um, and it could have sub factions that are god mark sub factions, right? That's how we could do it like we can just use that existing engine So you could have like all her dark walkers, etc And then you could just have corn sub factions so on in the same way by the way Remember how storm cast chambers Used to be battalions Right, right, like if you wanted to be hallowed knights You took this big crazy ridiculous battalion and got a bonus and then it became a sub faction at aos too, right? Like we can do that same thing here with those critical ones if there's really well, that's what happened Arguably, that's what's happened in night haunt and we'll get to this when we review the sub factions Like the first thing that struck me when I reviewed the night haunt rules changes Is that like literally they were the battalions I was running? Yeah, like yeah, yeah with the exception death writers Like I was like, oh, I don't have to I don't have to invest anymore into the these battalions Because I'm getting these for my sub faction. Well, they're doing that because they're doing away with the allegiance Yeah, so it's easy to focus on what you're losing here But there aren't that many battalions that are really like that flavorful and like chocked full of doing something really neat like the boc Godmarked beasts battalions. Those are so special and standalone. I'm not saying there's no others I'm not I'm saying that there aren't many others a lot of battalions are just like Bullet trains to better rules like honestly okay and so there's no reason those couldn't be brought in somewhere else but Here's the trick battalions are so inequitous right now Sure, okay. Yep. Yep and I think that and that that leads to a lot of other problems like the drop challenge, right? Like some books can achieve one drop very easy. Some are like at 12 drops if they're lucky Right and this just makes for this very uneven playing ground Some have like some armies can just take battalions that supercharge their units and some books just don't have that capability Like we talked about this when we did the best battalion show, right? Like it is no secret that these are really unevenly distributed Right. Yep So assuming you do the proper like assuming you save the right pieces Of this through like new books and moving things to sub factions or whatever, right? Putting them in broken realms. I don't care like whatever you do just just Save the the really important parts the upside of this to me Is that everybody will be on the same footing like there's a set of general battalions We all get to use them and you're just making a choice as part of building your army as to how you want to build your army right and And then so like do you want to be low drops or high drops if it still touches drops? Which I don't know if it does or not that wasn't part of this, right? But the point is it will like do you want the bonus or do you not like there'll be a logical choice We're all making as opposed to like the haves and the have-nots Yeah, I think about things like Like in the aggregate I look at these rules changes and I think about things like fire slayers Like this is already like on one hand. This has been one of those armies that have been egregious to play against Um on the other hand, which it is like that battalion can like die in a fire Really it's it's the worst I hear I hear your concern But what it actually did more than murder things because those guys are going to murder things most of the time on one activation anyways Sure, the issue is is actually gave them more movements because that army is like devoid of movement options Right and hold on hold on hold on and then when that gets combined with the new rules of removing objectives Like so pulling like if you're already an army that's based on bodies and holding like super defensive super Like non-mobile army and you certainly start yanking objectives out from underneath those units Like that army is no longer competitively playable at all Yeah, so My answer is obviously we can't do it We don't and we don't and we don't know the full rules. We don't know the full extent of it But I have real concerns About the secondary and tertiary consequences of changes like this in the aggregate. It's not again, they they're not messing with one core rule Right, it's a bunch of core rules all a lot of them that are all touching one another and that really concerns me I I get that and I think it's a valid concern. This is the most sensitive one It is I think all the rest of these are pretty non controversial honestly like the Like I love the beginning of the turn and going away is honestly like much better design Than getting them going into europea's and by the way, you know the only person that that hits the like the stacking bonuses to save In whose who that still hits. Oh the stacking bonuses to save fireslayers but again and so like again, but like In lieu of actually getting Like usable units, you know more than two core units Yes, your hero unit like again, I don't I don't I'm not gonna I don't want to talk like there will be winners and losers There will be some people to go up. There'll be some people to go down I'm not gonna you know really try to take too much of a guess at that right now because we don't know enough to say right it's I agree like six pieces of a thousand piece puzzle I agree My frustration is simply that like that community for example was already one that was hanging on by a threat There were not a lot of people that play that army will be really hurt by this. Yeah Sure sure like but again, it's an army that I love and that I have And so like it's and it's a community that I'm a part of and I just I see a lot of folks very anxious You know In that community. Yeah, so I'm wanting to give voice to that anxiousness. I which I totally understand and appreciate. Um my general feeling is that um That that overall all the rest of those changes are pretty non-controversial and bode really well The like lack of stacking as you said, you've been wanting that for years the command point thing very positive I I don't actually think the scenario thing will work exactly like S'moregan said it, you know what I mean? Like my guess is there'll be exemptions in scenarios in the same way that if I were to describe to you How objective taking worked that isn't true for every scenario You understand what I'm saying? Yep That's so that because they'll still want to have room for stuff like knife to the heart or something where there's only Some kind of a knife to the heart where there's only like two objectives. You can't remove one of those, right? Um, you know, yeah, it's like now neither of us can win. It's like, okay So obviously like that'll change, you know, so there'll be exemptions Top of three if you take both which is impossible because one has been removed you win As as someone pointed out in the comments How hilarious is it to me that they're selling boxes based on battalions right now? Oh, sure. Sure. Absolutely. I mean, that's the funniest part of it, right? Yeah That these that all these new battalions have like an eight second lifespan. Yeah, these are they are the they are the uh I was so excited about this ko battalion. I was like finally Finally A non ship based battalion. We've arrived Well, on the bright side, you'll have a non ship based battalion in the generic in the generic battalions as well. So there you go. Um At any rate, uh, yeah, so I I'm okay broader point Oftentimes to achieve equality You sometimes need to knock down those who have an abundance Uh, and so in this case But often at the same time when you do such things There are vast unintended consequences Right. Both of these things are true so, uh at any rate my my hope with the uh with the the Movement of battalions is that at the least we have more building tools for everybody right what Let me observe Over the last month or so one of the things that we've highly critiqued Is that there were too too many layers to this cake? Yeah Like we're like we have allegiance abilities and generic army abilities and And oh, uh, yeah sub factions battalions in the whole deal. Yeah type rules. Yeah, and they're like And just killing an entire layer. Yeah, that's great. They're just even footing the whole thing. This is that which is the correct move Right which to their credit like it was it it is one way to deal with it is just to kill an entire layer Yeah, but unfortunately that was like one of the most flavorful layers That really like gave identity to some armies. Sure and uh Yeah, uh, here we are. Hey, there you go. Uh, I look forward to still national longer having six inch violins um Because I I hate I hate trying to win with that cheater rule anyways, but I'm gonna play it a bunch before it goes Okay, uh, and also yes, some to be a mod could get battalions. Let's celebrate folks back to giants Let's go. They're right there. They're ready to rock with battalions Oh, it's good. Happy days Uh, it's gonna be a great world to live in I can't wait Anyways, yeah, I like was cycling through like all of the pot like okay. What is this faction of the game? What are that faction of the game and You know by these hypotheticals and it's so funny because some of them are just so disproportionately good and so disproportionately bad Sure. I am I am sure as we get closer and learn more we'll we'll see the uh We'll we'll have much more deep dives on this, but let's keep yeah, and we're gonna Encourage people not to jump to any conclusion. Oh, that's an excellent point Like it's gonna be really easy as we see little bits here and there to be like So angry and then think back and remember The changes into aos too a lot of people felt the same things But overall it was a vast improvement now. It took a little bit of proud nailing right at the beginning We had to go oh no way we can't stack those command points and stuff like that But for the most part It was okay. You can't cast all your uh, your endless spells. Yeah for the most part It was a vast improvement. It took a couple extra weeks to dial it in But like aos too is unabashedly better than aos one Well, I'll say this nashkahn is going to be the wild wild west. Oh boy. I can't wait Yeah, I mean the the fact that like Here's why you should remain optimistic because I'm watching people from across the the sphere Who are reading the stuff? They're like, all right. I'm optimistic like if smorgan is optimistic and rob Is optimistic if honest wargamer rob is like, I don't know. I'm pretty optimistic seems like some good changes to me Like if he's optimistic, you should be optimistic because he calls He calls it like he sees it every time, right? So there you go All right, any other new stuff? I think that's it, right? Yep, that's it Okay, cool. Uh, let's do some pick of the week. Uh, all right Tom, what would you like to share with everybody? I think I shared this last week, but I'm just going to double down this week because Uh, we're covering bellicor. Yep And we're going to cover the narrative in like five minutes If you want to spend four hours on that, yeah, we'll watch those videos. Yep Yeah, two plus stuff does such an his video series on bellicor is so good Yeah, and That way you can take the five minutes of conversation that you get here And actually get it largely fleshed out over there So Doug's just been like, I love that he does these lore videos for these series So that I don't have to worry about it That's great Like it's good that like it's still and what I love about it is he leaves Just the right amount of stuff off the table because if you go and read right, you still discover the stories and things He's not telling you they aren't like cogent to the overall plot. It's still interesting It just the man's a genius at this sort of thing Okay, fantastic. Great stuff uh for myself My shout-out Is going to be to a cult of paint video Cult of paint is running an online miniature painting competition here Soon And that's fine. You can go check that out You can you can link to that information through the video I'm going to give you but the video I'm going to give you is not about that The video that I'm going to link you to is a Like seven minute video or something about taking pictures of your miniatures with either A DS DSLR camera or your phone and he goes through I would love to watch that video. It's great. This is from I I'm gosh. I blanking on his name. Oh gosh. My brain is fried today. I'm sorry everybody At any rate, um, it is from the person who's putting together the golden demon compendium book. That's part of Yeah He's and he had to take pictures of all these beautiful miniatures because he re-photographed a lot of these golden demon winners for the book And he's fantastic at taking photos. If you've looked at the stuff, I mean, he's absolutely great with it So he's sharing his experience at taking the pictures with you. So Uh, go watch it. It's short and then hopefully I don't have to look at bad pictures on the internet anymore of people taking Uh Bad pictures of of of their miniatures So there you go Uh, this video will help you out whether you're using a nice camera Like a I shouldn't say nice. We're using like a dslr where they're using your iphone. So there you go Okay, uh, all right Uh, cool. Let's talk about some hobby time. Tom Uh, I am going to guess that for the rest of for the next I'll say two Ish months Tom will have nothing during hobby time. What are you even working on Tom? Sort of magic See, I mean, yeah, you're right because vince, you know, like this is the cycle um Is is when I get to an addition change I go into paralysis mode. Yeah when tom feels any kind of change coming of any kind he can't work Which is completely counter positive to actually then and then he has to hustle later Whereas he could just paint stuff and then to have it in case because you're not can't get this right back Right, it's wasted time if it's not what I need painted If it's not because it is the next time around you might need that thing you're going to have that big painted for your whole life But it could also likewise be I never play that model again because it's trash in the new edition Um, and so until the fourth edition or the fifth or the six I played war that army or they retire that army because they do that now to like again Whatever we've had this argument. You're just flat out wrong like like statistically you're wrong, but that's okay And so I invested in things that I know that the time will be will be not wasted that I will not regret Spending my time in that way. Sure. Sure. Yes the long duration of magic cards. Absolutely. Okay um, so but I mean, let's be honest. I may still end up working on um a model or two So I mean, you know what you need to get paid for that ko Don't pretend like ko aren't gonna be good because they're like the a shooting army That's just always going to be good. Don't pretend like that And they can now stand and shoot. Yeah, sure. I'm just saying Don't pretend like you don't want to live in that world. You're not going to be taking ko to nash con Just don't pretend like you're not going to get in the car with me tom and put your ko crap in the car I mean, no, I am going to take my ko because I know I'm not going to do knight hunt Because hex race are so bad without a battalion. Oh, there we go. I I agree with creative name to stand out right on will Okay, uh For myself quite the opposite. It's been an overwhelmingly busy hobby week Uh, so I've been continuing to work through the cursed city stuff I painted up a little zombie for a tutorial about quick painting zombies. It'll come out quite a while in the future Uh, I can't bash together. Well, he's not in he's not in like reach. So I apologize But I can't bash together my smash bat And some crypt flares out of the uh Out of the oh, it's fine smash bat doesn't need that battalion. I'll be liberated from it You kind of do need that battalion for that double move, but I understand what you're saying It's about smash bat was never about the the extra move that was sprinkles on smash bats Delicious ice cream. Okay. Well now mobility is really important, especially with stand and shoot Smaller boards. It's cool. We're good. He can sell you can still get run in charge in the in the in the sub faction So at any rate, uh, the the point of smash bat was to go attack something and do like eight million damage Which smash bat still does that's all I care about tom unless he dies in the charge phase to run a stand and shoot Well, maybe don't charge that thing. So anyways, uh Converting him up. I've got him all fixed. I have ridiculous wings on top of the uh, that guy Uh, and so I did that in the crypt flares I got the rest of them in that I need for that or almost I'm just waiting on two more And then uh, richard gray put up a really nice video about he did a little skeleton from the cursed city And he did like a really fun rough way in sort of non-metallic And I was kind of fascinated by watching him him work like richard gray's an amazingly great painter And so I thought what if I did that with all of my skeletons? What if I did like 10 skeletons sort of like he's doing and just did them all in non-metallics? And just kind of went one skeleton at a time established like a nice simple scheme that I can work with and have some fun with And you know, not really worry about it being too over the top or or high quality just playing around with like learning a thing I think I'm going to make a video out of this for for something future. It's been really fun Uh, so I'm like uh eight skeletons in or something like that out of the 10 just slowly working my way through them So, yeah, there little little skeleton boys And uh, these guys are really fun to paint. They're nice. They're not too complicated. Tom They're beautifully simple these skeletons. That's what I'll say and I love it Uh, and then I've got big baby velikor back there. He's sitting right there Uh, and I'm going to do some conversions on him Because he's going to be joining my slanesh force So there you go. So we're gonna we're gonna he but he's got to get in costume first if he's going to join slanesh Much as much as his foe their archion has been Uh, has been turned into archael Such too. Will this guy be ready? So there you go Uh, cool All right So, uh With that tom, let's uh, let's talk about Broken realm's velikor. Shall we and you can stop explaining to people in the comments about This thing that you're explaining So I could just see you completely zone out of what I'm saying and you're completely now focused on having an argument about knight hunt I don't care about smash bat. Yeah I didn't talk about smash bat there for like the last Three minutes. I did talk too long, but I'll give you that show shows you how much I was paying attention I know it was zero. I know what your face looks like when you're not paying attention. I've known you for 26 years Okay, anyways, let's talk about velikor Alrighty so velikor some exciting rules in it There is uh, oh did I lose Tom? Bitty freeze everybody else is still working Okay, well, I'll talk for a minute. We'll see if tom comes back Yeah, it looks like I'm still good Okay, yep All right, hopefully everybody else tell me you can still hear me. Oh wait, hold on. Do we have tom back? Hey, all right, you're back Okay, yeah, I was here a little time. It's just you you froze for a second. I don't know what happened there weird All right, you're fine now, right Yep. All right, let's talk about velikor. So, uh, let's do overview Uh, in equitously distributed updates for armies more even than tech lists. Maybe is was my answer here Yeah, I can see that Uh, what's your what's your overall take here? I mean, I I think I liked everything That happens. Okay. I like I could care less about the velikor thing But I liked everything else Do you want to know what's so funny? What's that? I forgot to write ko in the small changes list That's how I forgot to even mention it It is probably Like it's one of the more significant changes because it made them like Even better Like no cost better, right? Sure. Like that's the key. Is that like it was the type of change that just was like Hey, the thing you already do real well. Cool. Do better. Sure Uh, or or rather that one restriction that you have about like not being able to like Use your buff on people in the ship and all that. Yeah, I ignore that for a turn Sure, it's funny because I I wrote this like two days ago went through it yesterday went through it today Read this the red this this page, you know, three times. Yeah, didn't see it All right, my answer is I like this book, uh, both story and, uh And the uh the rules I liked it um I was just saying I I wish some stuff was a little different Um, but we'll get into that when I get into the individual things like there's some things I wish were slightly different. That's what I'll say like fire slayers come on now Like it doesn't matter what you do to them. We're not running those stupid models Well, we'll get there my friend. Don't worry. Yeah, we'll get there. Okay Uh, let's do it. Here we go Uh rules wise this here's my first supposition for my overview rules wise. This book is called broken realms night haunt I don't know what else this book is about, but it might as well be called broken realms night haunt agree or disagree tom I mean, it was like it is faction redefining for night haunt This is as Significant if arguably more significant than uh the legion of grief Yeah Night haunt in this book are alex baldwin showing up Okay, and giving a talk about uh about sales For like five minutes and winning an oscar. That's night haunt, right? It's the only seed that matters in the book night haunt are for closers Okay Like everything else is just whatever So, but yeah, the the ghosty boys Got some good stuff here, uh Like you could have called it broken realms Bellachor also starring and more importantly night haunt ghost are in this book right Yeah, it's interesting because on one hand like the right nor sub faction is like bonkers good Like giving giving night haunt a second general to trigger their ability off of Rolling the condemned abilities into the base book Are the base like faction So that you don't have to actually spend points on that battalion like All that's just golden. Yep. So it's really good. It is. Let's let's get into exactly how gold But first we got to go through the small changes. We're going in reverse order Okay Yeah, so we start with the smalls. We build to the big story. Okay Yep, so we you know, we you have your opening act. So let's start with the opening acts Uh, by the way, if you like night haunt and ghosty boys, hey, why don't you give this show a like as well? Uh hitting like helps other people find the show and we really appreciate it And it's so easy. You're watching right now. Just click the button Okay, so let's start with disciples of zinch a faction that very few people like Uh, or at least as it's currently run in tournament by I love running. So I love zinch. I just don't like this zinch. That's very good Apparently, but that's fine Okay, so just the biggest defense change host is probably going to be gone. So I'm wondering which I'm happy about so which that is going to hang Like a cloud over so many discussions we're about to have Right the concept that in a os 3 all these battalions go away Needs to always be somewhere in the back of your mind as we're evaluating this stuff Okay Okay So disciples of zinch got a new battalion that new battalion is a fate skimmer herald on burning chariot Who becomes a named character one to three horrors of zinch with 30 models max? And then you get plus one melee attacks on the charge and you cannot use the reckless abandoned agenda The herald knows zinch is firestorm and gets plus two to cast most importantly in bold here I have written this is not change host and so who cares Well that like again, it's not going to be usable in the couple months Sure, but again, oh that's I want to evaluate these things as they are now We're going to we're going to take that comment of battalions. Yeah are likely going away We're going to put that over here. That's over here now. Okay We're talking in the current world where this is the reality is this thing is just not change host so like But I I do not in my brain tom understand how the same studio writes rules like this That says 30 models max in the one to three horrors unit because they know It would be busted if you could just take like big giant packs Right or something like that and just and just pack tons of wounds in here or something or maybe it's not Busted, maybe it's not even bent, but they are afraid it would be right. I I'm recalled back to like, um Mishapen or whatever when it's like, oh you can ambush but 10 models max and I'm like Why We're we're corsairs that's scary if they came in a pack of 30. Was this a problem? right So how do we we we get this? with this like very hard limitation and also Have and also just have change shows sitting out there like take your whole army one drop go nuts And then teleport and then just teleport like It makes my brain hurt tom And this is why honestly, I'm not going to be too sad if these things shuffle off into narrative play Okay Yep, because I just like we've had Six years of saying can we get these things on a more even keel and the answer is no Like sometimes you just got to throw in the towel And this is a good way to do it So anyways, yeah, that's that's disciples. It's whatever if you like bubblegum monsters This is the bubblegum monster battalion for you if you like bubblegum monsters and don't like change hosts Right battalion for you sure Yep, you can take all of these units in change host and get better abilities. Yes And get plus one at the melee attacks. Well, I'm not saying in change host. You can get all these same abilities. Yes Oh, yeah, yeah Are all these same units? Sorry. Uh, okay Cool that thus end if the disciples of zinch hold on. Let me time stamp that one Okay Uh All right, so seraphon Okay, go on So seraphon Get one new battalion Uh, as well as I shouldn't have said each it shouldn't say each faction. I'm sorry about that But they get the four new bound spells and one new battalion Sorry, that's what that is. You know what they needed more of? bound spells I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna make a guess right now tom. You ready? Hit me All that stuff goes in the trash I'm gonna guess all I'm gonna guess that's gone too. I because here's the thing I don't think they'll rewrite like all the war scrolls like that's not gonna happen Like you and I were talking about that but I think it would be pretty easy like they ended the necro quake That was one of the things that came out of you know some previous story Yep, I think they're gonna like that to me signals. Hey, we're gonna rewrite endless spells Do you think that they will just kill endless spells outright? No, no because So we're moving into a world though where like We could have like we're not gonna be in the soul wars anymore So like those boxes with endless spells like malign sorcery They're gonna it's easy to re put those screws into a new box and resell them with the new rules. Okay. Okay Why cut something when you can just take those screws repackage them with the new rule set because that's not that many things to rewrite It's really not Sure, sure, right So that's that's a wild guess. I have no information about that. I don't know that's happening That's just me looking at the writing on the wall That we may move away from predatory endless spells and have Endless spells just in general be more controlled. Yeah Yep, I could see that I could see that Like predatory was for the season when everything all the magic was haywire. Yep. Okay. I could see that Yep, so anyways, so so bound spells. I'll just get put in a bin or something like that or be different. Who knows Anyways, yeah, so okay. You got your bound spells. You got bound launch and you got bound lunchbox the soul seeker He's he becomes not predatory and goes up 10 points You've got the bound horror gas Literally no changes. It's just bound You have the bound shards of valagar, which only the seraphon player castor ever gets to can move a shard Remember shards of valagar is the weird one because it doesn't rely on turn priority You would go off to see who gets to move one of the shards to swing it around the other one right as they swing around Each other only the seraphon castor gets to ever move it Same price by the way that can go up in points. So that's nice Crazy and then the bound soul screen bridge, which is plus 10 points 310 for reasons I cannot understand. So Uh, there you go Um Yeah, and then It's fine. I don't think any of these maybe you could see the shards somewhere because they're at the same price And they're not that expensive That could be the one I suppose Sure, I can see that Like they're interesting and they can do significant movement base tricks And seraphon generally wants to slow you down And hold like through, you know, like anytime they can screw with you. There you go Right Like I think shards if out of this list shards is the one you would see bound because it removes all risk Of the random dice going against you. You always get to control it And and so there you go Homsa says what does bound mean? This is a seraphon trick. They can cast the spell it gains this bound keyword Bound, uh, it means it's really it's this is basically kanye west's magic And it what it means is that like they they the downsides go away is the effective Yeah, like normally with predatory things like Whoever has term priority the other person would like get to move in the spells With bound stuff. No one gets to touch your endless spells Yeah, they're you were the only one that moves that you play with your toys Yes So but yeah, I could see the shards because there's still they like I said They don't go up in cost and they are a good movement trick and seraphon generally want to slow you up and trip you down So they can just bomb you and stuff like that and shoot blowpipes at you Yep, it's true. Okay Uh, the new battalion is a stegadon skank chief Who becomes a named character an engine of the gods or a stegadon and a vestilladon? Uh, it has to be in thunder lizards So it is a thunder lizard battalion, which is the best sub action. So I stand behind that The star warden has the prime war beast command trait, even if not the general which is cool. Actually Yeah, I love them like tweaking things like that too bad. That'll never ever happen again Sure That's actually you need ability and it's it's other ability as it lets you shoot kind of this little combined laser blast Where you get to make you roll a bunch of dice and if everything if all three dice come up at two Plus you do like 3d3 mortal wounds So yeah, it's cool 140 points. Okay Uh for the for the pseudo stars of this show by the way What I mean by that is like sarah von are really really really heavily in this book Right, right, right. Like if for reading like the first quarter of the narrative, you wouldn't be surprised to think Why isn't this battle tome like Mazamundi or whatever croak? Yes, sir croak. Yeah I don't know Yes, oh guess what so it's croak. It's also a good point. You got me on that one. You got me on that one Uh, okay So, you know, yes, I mean you you you're absolutely right. It's so seraphon focused for a lot of this book, right? Mm-hmm. Um, but yeah, that's fine. They they didn't need anything seraphon or overall The only thing seraphon need right now is a significant price hike almost across the board It reminds me of the battle tome Or I'm sorry the end times thankful or like most of the book was just seraphon, right sure Yep, but then we threw the moon at him. So take that. Uh, all right, let's talk fire slayers All right New doom seeker and a new grim wrath bezerker war scroll talk about the doom seeker first Uh, plus one to wound with his offhand with his off weapon. It's now threes and threes His throwing axes on fours and fours. So look out for that Uh, he can now fight on death if near his oath target in addition to the Pylon twice if he's only fought once so he can do one or the other and he went down 10 points Okay, nope Still not filled them. Okay. Okay. All right I don't know tom. I think this guy's okay 90 points. No, he's a little he's a little monster No, I would still rather have another rune father Like like again, you got to remember Please remember you're you are literally You have like eight foot heroes That are options and most of them are better stat wise down the line than these two Um, or that have to have real functions like prayers or other things like that Like this is a four inch move Dwarf that you're trying to get across the table. Yep Like it's just it's such a trap Okay, uh, I hold on real quick Dracari, let me amend my statement when I say point sacks across the board I mean to the offensive things so I'm specifically when I say seraphon. I meant specifically like lord croak though and his related Nonsense so sorry Anyways, not across the board if you're playing that the fun stuff like sources and stuff you should that no you don't need anything You're good. You're a plus okay so Uh grim wrath berserker. He went up 10 points. He lost unstoppable And he gained, uh, this big oath thing You can like pick oaths and they can chant their little oaths and it gives them little bonuses Uh, I have a little arrow here pointing to the fact that uh If this model is slain in the combat phase and has fought no more than once in that phase it can fight Before it is uh removed from play That's actually a change because it it always had the dead but not defeated rule But it used to just be any time Right So like If he died and if they if he was fighting a unit that had like shooting weapons And they shot him down he would just like drop them in the shooting phase and stuff Which is amazing. Yeah, so So it's a nerve Yeah, sure. He has to die in a specific phase now. Yes. Okay, so it got weaker. Yeah Um, but he's got more versatility because of the oaths tom He kind of does like Like to be clear I have like three or four of each of these guys built and converted sure So like I could truly run like a full the full on like hero or not. They're not even heroes really Or they are they're just not leaders They're heroes. Yes. They're heroes not leaders Uh hero heavy like lists of these guys, but they're just not good Like um I don't know. I just like I know that I'll say this kenny lull has had a lot of success with the graverath berserkers He really enjoys them Um, and like they can do some work I'll acknowledge that But they're just not I don't know. I just They're not go trek Well, I would now I understand they're only like a hundred points Yes, for a fifth of the price. Yeah right but Like I'll say this I have put one of these guys in a list that have had an extra hundred points and I was like, ah, this will be funny Okay, yeah, sure Like when I couldn't actually get the hundred and twenty to have a real unit like an oryx, uh, hearth guard or Carbons or a unit. Um, I'm like, I got a hundred points. Yeah, I'll throw one of these guys in this will be interesting But it's not like None of this changes that Like there's no abilities here that I'm building around. All right. Here's what I'll say. I'm standing these two I like them. I think they're the coolest two units in the army That's what I say Uh, and how are you getting comments? I want to know look here's what I want to know Last week everybody was with tom on the war scroll cards This week what I want to know put it in the chat or put it down in the comments if you're watching this later Are these two guys cool or not? There you go. That's what I want to know Okay, because I think these guys are super cool and I disagree with tom Oh, so yeah As brian s just said are either of these worth more points or are these are worth more of a place than having a knight as zeros And the uniform answer is no, of course not Okay, like he's gonna do almost as much damage as them Have be more survivable have better mobility and also buff all of your army I'm gonna let I'm gonna let democracy decide here tom. We'll see what people think All right, yeah, I mean They slightly changed really the summation of this is yes. They slightly changed these two And if there was like ever a time Ever we're like a new unit is warranted for an army. Come on now Like fire slayers have two core non-hero units. Stop. Give us something I support rillian. Okay. Cool. Let's keep going Storm cast the turnals. Oh, I've got some opinions all right so, uh Gartus they got Gartus steel soul this guy who's been built up in the narrative Fought a wait wait that happened go back. There we go fought a great unclean went to a standstill and jumped into the into the You know into the play garden got out alive and Super awesome superhero landing one of the coolest figs they've ever made And this is the scroll And by a joke to you. Is this a joke to you? Is that what's happening right here? What is this? What is this This is ridiculous This scroll is embarrassing Okay, this is embarrassing like This is a lord Celestant a named lord celestine's one of the greatest named lord celestine's Okay Looks about as good as a grand math to me Boom I'm pretty sure the grand math does a lot more damage. Uh, at least you got that going for him Um, does he help is at least at least this at least Gartus has his cloak Yes, because this guy in melee does an average of 1.4 damage to a four up save That's that's the real math does a lot more, right? It depends on his which prairie takes one situation and that kind of stuff. So anyways Look the point is is that if you either way, okay This guy is this is ridiculous It's ridiculous like I could go blow by blow here and talk about why I hate everything about this This dude should be it should should just be a wrecking ball who comes in and smashes people given what he Like what he's like, he should be he should look more like al-tharian And and less like a grim wrath berserker Well and less like a weird weak buff utility hero Right the lords of the storm They're like the storm cast hero are supposed to be cut from the greatest heroes that have ever lived Reforged in the power of sigmar Greatest of the of the god of the gods outside of chaos, right? yep and This is what his he's dealing with I got I got news for you chaos is gonna win If this is the best we can put on the table if this is the god king's wrath Send it back I don't need that six up mortal wound only it's not even a real feel no pain He has this minimal aura of not even a real feel no pain Thanks, okay When he dies he can fight an extra time. Well, thank goodness. I wouldn't want him to die without applying his 1.4 damage Okay His saintly assault is so wackadoo The fact that he can declare this and hollowed knight heroes Within range of him get a bonus attack and can reroll charges. Hey. Hey. Hey that can be Hey, that can be a star break It could but the actual build is to just try to do this weird cheater thing where you take gardus and a bunch of the cat lords And you just like charge them all in because the cat lords are like the most damaging pound for pound of the heroes And when you buff up the cat attacks and yada yada, but That's stupid Okay Uh, obviously his cloak is dumb and his command ability is nothing to write home about Why Why I need an explanation tom as to why we made basically a boring lord celestine out of this Uh, because they just took the generic scroll and added an ability or two and called her today Like that that's what this was like that's what this is. Yep They went, uh, okay. What's the core lord celestine? Awesome. We'll do that. We'll give him this buff aura and we'll give him this thing done Yeah, I He's so depressing And I haven't even talked about the fact that he's inexplicably on a four up save That better come out in the faq that that's an error and it's supposed to say three plus like other lord celestines Like all the rest of the lord celestines. Yeah, yeah, I'm just assuming that's a misprint Okay Yeah, all the critique up until this point has been assuming that that's a misprint Correct, because if it's not if that's a legit four up I am even angrier Oh, he's so bad Maybe this is what the rest of the lord celestines are going to look like look, you know, the worship is in the new world Yeah Uh, I so somebody said I feel like there's so much untapped potential in the concept of the storm cast completely agree completely agree uh, like yes it's it's Okay, the storm cast are like the coolest thing that they've made Uh, it's such a good concept There's such a good core here and they've taken a lot of good steps to improve the storm cast with things like the sacrosanct chamber and stuff like that And it really exploring what these things can do. I didn't mention it the news But the new short story is all about storm cast going into like a negosh stronghold to to capture back souls that have been Stolen by negosh they would before they could return to sigmar and it's like a lord veritint and a bunch of uh, uh, Evocators and they're just like ripping through ghosts and just housing people or no Sorry lord exorcist and the lord exorcist is just like ripping ghosts to pieces and just like they are housing this place before they're eventually Overwhelmed and it was like it was an amazing story and the storm cast are just this force right That's a story. Yeah, there's like four of them And they're just like cutting their way through stuff until they eventually get overwhelmed and have this mighty sacrifice And i'm like then I read these rules and i'm like Ludo narrative dissonance too strong my head breaks I can't handle it I can't I can't handle it Well, maybe uh storm cast will be good in the new book. Maybe they will rewrite goddess's scroll Two months later in a new book. I'm fine with it. Do that great good. Yes Gw you still have time Do it do it now. Absolutely all I'm saying is it like I just want storm cast to feel like they do in soulbound That's all I want It's like you mean good Like just you know Inspiring bastions of the god king's wrath. Okay. Anyways, so that's storm cast rant over So bad it's true Uh on the flip side. I like that. Uh, hallowed knights finally got a uh real hero. Sure named hero I mean real hero stuff is this tough thing, but yes, they got one He exists. I'll give you that All right, let's talk k. Oh Uh Okay, Coradron overlords new triumphs And a new battalion. So they got six new specific triumphs There were some interesting options here to add such as allowing aether chemists to use their augmentation ability in a garrison And at a slightly longer range Yep, which is a big deal because they previously couldn't use their their etheric augmentation Within while they were garrisoned or on a unit that was garrisoned and now they can do both Um There's another one Uh, yeah, I mean you I'll let you I was just gonna let you go here. That's why I kind of kept this light What other ones did you like my my summaries overall? They're fine. Good options Yeah, I mean what I'll say is that like them being able to fire off They're like overcharge in the here like in the hero phase in in the ship Actually means that like the ko ship bouncing around with 20 thunderers become scary Because for that one turn that they need to be super punchy they can be and you don't need to worry about them like Starting outside the ship and then jumping in and yada yada like you don't have to do the whole like Everybody sets up outside of the ship You buff and then everybody gets inside the ship and then the ship jumps, right? I have to do any of that Let me answer our comment real quick. Uh, no million. We're building up to bellicor. Keep going. Yeah um The large caliber augmentation is the other one that I really liked which is also an aether chemist one Because it gave reroll wounds to ships. Yeah, which is like a really big deal because you can't get that any other way You can get reroll hits But this actually gave reroll wounds, which is pretty awesome Yep, so And the other ones were fine. Yeah, they're fine Um, I I like I agree with brian s who said blow the magazine which is kind of the idea of just which is such a Cool concept of like it's such a great like narrative thing, right of them hitting the rest of the the the aether weapons and just As the enemies take the ship down Is sadly it just They just didn't yeah Nope, nope Didn't quite get there. It's uh It's a very small explosion. It's about as effective as when Like bugs bunny would put his finger in the end of elmer flood shotgun or something or or daffy duck would get shot It would just spin his beak around. It's that amount of damage is being done Yes, uh, this does not bode well for triumphs in new aos Sure. Yeah that the question is do triumphs go away get smaller get reduced down Well, because never the ko like their allegiance ability is tied to triumphs. Yeah, yeah Uh, like they couldn't fully go away because in the ships would no longer Be able to ever use their triumphs like they couldn't use their aether gold anymore so that i'm not saying that triumphs are going away in the new edition, but rather like this kind of like shoring up shoring that up for characters was uh Is somewhat concerning to me. So we'll see what actually happens. Yeah, sure I just want to say thank you to plus dug the hero in the chat Said he'll watch fully tomorrow, but he wanted to pop in and give a like be like dug hit the like button uh, so Yeah, I mean overall good. I'm glad to see him. I'm glad they sort of backfilled this even if they do change triumphs Yeah triumphs. These are kind of locked in as cool. Do you at least have something as an option? Right? That's good That's good. I like that kind of One they're flavorful even if they don't change triumphs So that's cool and it gives me options and two it's a nice backstop against that, right? It's true. So that's cool And the jail probably aren't really going to book till late in the new edition. Yeah, sure. Sure, sure Uh, they're battalion Uh, it's an endermaster with dirigible suit that is a named character two units of endern rigors or skywardens It is in uh barak ziflin or zilfin. I always say that wrong zilfin I think is for proper pronunciation And you get plus three move for those people and you can also apply that bonus to a sky vessel if they're sort of nearby I love Everything about this Just all of it Like it was so exciting to me It was such a it was such a ride because I was like so high on this and I was like, yes This is what I've been looking for I got a I got extra dudes and they also buffed the thing And they buffed their movement and like I'm just stoked And then this is all going away. I'm going to be meaningless soon Potentially potentially again if battalions go away. We're keeping that in the back of our mind But yes if battalions go away, it'll be a shame But like I said, it won't matter you'll get an almost probably an equivalent battalion Like a hero and a couple units of normal dudes That adds movement to both both my sky dudes and to the ships I do you think I don't know man. I have no answer on that no concept on that I cannot tell you what it's going to do or not do. Yeah, I don't know We'll see. Okay So, uh, let's see. So that's ko. All right, where are we at? Who's next? Uh night haunt Now we're into the meat of the thing Hmm the rest of the book The real stars of the show Okay Uh night haunt Lots of meaty changes for the force correcting a long standing issue Uh, so we begin with two new sub factions the emerald host and rike norse condemned Uh, so the emerald both of which are kind of building on old battalions effectively, you know previously existing battalions Again, this kind of lends credence to the rumor that battalions are going away because why else would you basically fold battalions into sub factions Like 100 yes feels a bit on the nose Uh at any rate, uh, the emerald host you get to choose one enemy hero. Give him neg one to save for the whole game Gartus could be a five up Um, you get plus one attack. I'm just going to hand a point and goes back down to a four up. Sure. Sure. Good point. Um You can have a Plus one attack you gain plus one attack for your hex wraiths You've got a two plus bodyguard for the general to pass wounds to the hex wraiths Your command trait is once per battle. You can use a command ability on your war scroll Very important addition for free Okay And uh, you're and it also means Well, you also give up the regen a d3 ghost That's in the current book, which is really important because If you're running hex wraith heavy, you want that command trait to return a d3 hex wraiths Does the coach return whole hex wraiths It does that that was the magic is that between the two of me you're returning two d3 hex wraiths. Sure Which is like 12 can be up to 12 wounds. Sure. That's kind of a big deal That's a big swing. I think people underestimate the coach. I really do I've seen you use it so many times and been very impressed by it. So Anyways, yeah, it it can do some work I fought both against it and with it on my side and honestly, I've always I've like It's not the part that let me down in most games when we were teamed up. It was usually your hex wraiths to let me down um You're right Say it that coach was doing work Anyways, uh, and then the artifact is a plus one to attack weapon specifically for the knight of shrouds Right. I love that you can get around it by just not taking a nice shroud You're like, nope. I'll take my free artifact. Yeah, sure. Sure um So, yeah, you're the knight on player here So like emerald house to general feelings. You like it? Uh, I like that it's incentivizing hex wraith use that's encouraging. Sure I don't like that the bonus attack is only the turn that they charged And that I'm also losing the the extra d3 Regen yep from the command trait and like those like any benefits that are here are immediately washed out by the negatives So like when I look at this um Like those are a wash sure. Okay, um, I like that it's very anti-archeon. I'm a fan of that um But you know like like one of the things that that knight haunt struggles against are big mega Tanki heroes. Yeah Like archeon are these big like death star style things that they just can't crack And this really helps them crack those those targets So I like that But there's just an but I'm losing enough other core proficiency That I'm just real hesitant on this like this isn't really giving me anything new It's forcing me to take hex rates. Sure Okay, fair enough. All right, and then rike north Hold on and lord of the host the irony here is that like that's actually that could be like laura mobsum text So I forgot to mention that that's actually a completely non usable ability because if you are playing knight haunt universally You should always have a dreadblade hero as your general always Wait, who doesn't have a command ability at your point who does not have a command ability So like so like this lord of the host actually does zero On him because he doesn't have his own command ability so In light of that now that I remember that it's this is a net negative Okay, fair enough Let's talk about uh rike norse condemned because I think this one's on the other hand on the other hand I think this was pretty good Okay, so uh rike norse condemned you can uh re-roll hit rolls for chain rasps and glaive wraith stalkers That's the last time i'm going to say glaive wraith stalkers because you're not you just all these might as well say Hey shut your mouth. I built I built 16 of them recently. I know I know you did you did it for a battalion Uh, okay, so Right this this battalion. Let me point that out Um You got a shout out. I think from uh from smorgen. He was talking about you know, you playing you talking about These four the condemned battalion and why you like them in that battalion. So anyways, um, right Okay, you can re-roll hit rolls for chain rasps Very likely or glaive wraith stalkers Unlikely well within 15 inches of a spirit of torment You already have your re-rolls by the way on glaive wraiths. You already have re-rolls on the charge I know So your chain rest while they're within 15 inches of a spirit torment or chain gassed Uh, so that's cool. Uh, I I do I think chain gassed are actually one of those things again that that are underrated. Uh, I I think people I have four in my list and I love them Yeah, they're like they're this really sneaky unit that if people don't handle Will handle you like if you match them up against the right thing. Yeah Agreed Uh, and then whenever chain rasps or those other guys Are affected by spectral lure or temporal translocation spell from the guardian from guardian of souls You get to return a d6 models in addition to the normal thing. Can I point something out? They're still writing temporal transfer, uh, Translocation But they've banned hit that war scroll the only world score that has that that's the guardian of souls with the lantern You know the one that was the store one. Yeah. Yeah, so that doesn't actually exist in match play at all anymore. Sure What this is is they literally copy pasted the battalion text. I understand Um, this is almost like rubbing salt in the wound. Sure of this guy who doesn't exist But yes the spectral lure obviously you can still do because that's the other dude. Yes the guardian of souls regular original recipe Yeah, he's not extra crispy or whatever Yep Sweet and tangy barbecue guardian of souls is no longer available, but you can still get original recipe Uh, yeah, I mean, this is a good ability like d6 extra models in addition to the the other thing is is solid I mean, it's fine. You have to run a guardian of souls which is the drawback Sure 140 points is a lot for a single caster It is it is but at the same time returning that kind of models It might swing the balance and to it being worth having one in there is uh 2d6 If you get your cast off on a no bonus 100 point I don't disagree with any of that. I'm just saying like 2d6 is a big amount of models to return to a unit That's it is in your panna 140 points to maybe do that if your spell goes through I get it. I I get it Uh But none of that matters. I don't care about almost it. I like the re-rolls Sure, the re-rolls. Yeah, then we get to the re-roll once a wound Yeah But the thing that actually matters here the only thing that matters in my mind Is that this next ability aclide of the grandma holler if rike nor the grandma holler is uh included in the army He's treated as a general in addition to the model that's chosen to be the army general. Oh, yes explain why that's so good right, so one of the generic abilities of Night haunt is that your general gains this like summon the army of the damned ability or whatever And he can teleport any night haunt unit on the board Totally within 12 inches of him. Yes. Okay, and so it may You can pull any unit to him by spending a command point And so it made night haunt amazingly mobile Especially if you'd like choose the dread blade hero hero as your General and then like you could teleport him and then whip any unit to where he is right And so it just gave you supreme mobility on the board, which is great But it was on a five wound hero And so it was always just really susceptible to being sniped because it was on one guy who wasn't that tough But now it's on two guys. Yes And one's an eight wound hero. Yeah, right. He's an eight wound hero And so suddenly like it just changes the map right of like what's happening on the table And like that mobility like there's not a real reprisal like you can remove one of those But that's not going to help you with both of them. Yep um And so like to me this was like a game changer Because this adds like a step function of flexibility to the army that they simply didn't have before Now when you combine that with the fact of potentially replenishing command points every turn Then you're You're talking some real gas in the engine Uh, yeah, so then and you have a good command ability the plus six inch movement for chain rasps Which I think is great. Yep. And then you know, it's fine It's fine It becomes funny that like they suddenly with that and the generic item that they have which is like a Generic plus two move or plus three move. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, suddenly like you can be like Oh, these guys are going to move Six Hold on 15 and then auto run six. Yeah Yeah, so rafts suddenly have a 21 inch move. Yeah, that's pretty good. Those little boys are getting around Uh, who needs to teleport on these small boards? Right. Yeah, exactly. You don't need to teleport. We need to move like 21 inches Um, and then there are two command points to be fair. Sure. It's a little corpse candle Uh, which is way over designed, but whatever. Well, it's right north ability. What it does is it gives I know what it is. Okay. Yeah, I know where it comes from. I get it right nor takes one of his little candles He's like, here you go. You can have one of mine My point is it's like it's you can snuff it and it does the mortal wound and depending on the phase You snuff it in and who you apply the mortal wound to Then a different set of bonuses occur So it's just like Oh, yeah, did we need four conditions for this artifacts bonus It's like well because it's if a I don't even know who you put artifacts on You get it. I don't even know who you put artifacts like I think the right answer here has to be On your guardian of souls so that one spell that you need to get off is a plus three Yeah, yeah, like I think that that's who this has to be on Right because when I look at like everybody else like all the combat heroes are bad Like they're just not good So you're not putting this on a combat hero. Sure I mean suddenly being able to cast that once on plus three. That's a that's a big old bonus Right, right That's so I mean gosh bonus, but at the at that Or you take the tome and just give yourself. I don't know Like because they have an item that's just a flat plus one always I understand So, I don't know. I just Yeah, it's fine. It's fine But overall, I think reichenor's condemned is solid like it's it's real good. It takes your your main meat unit Makes them good. It takes uh, it takes reichenor who's a super cool dude and just like Great model and a great war scroll and actually makes him like super useful in his army Well on their best battle line it gives reroll all hits And and crazy movement potential Right, and they already have reroll wounds of one right like baked into the war scrolls So like that actually makes them really good against other non like elite units Sure, and in a world where armor bonuses get capped, right? It's pretty solid because they do make a lot of attacks Right, so little 25 mil bases multiple attacks per model, you know yada yada, so yeah Okay, yeah, let's keep going because there's some more night. There's more ghost stuff Uh, so yeah, here we go two new war scrolls Sort of uh The first being the dread scythe heritans getting a rewrite Blankin you'll miss it, but I assure you it is slightly different um The harrowing shriek ability, which is their their uh neg one to hit that they can put on people Now works on models that are bravery six It did not before they kind of switched the wording around I had to flip back and forth between these two and read it multiple times to make sure I wasn't losing my mind Yeah, but it does work on bravery six now Right, which is actually a significant difference because there are a lot of bravery six models in this game It's actually quite a pop-down number for for things to be Um, if you were to like look at the bravery chart it would spike real high at six and spike real high at 10 right um Their bloodlust ability instead of being the like Two damage on a wound of six is now just a standard double tap On a six to hit I have written here. They are still not battle line And they went up from 70 to 60 with the horde bonus to 90 320 so Okay, next next war scroll I mean like I wanted them to be good. Yeah, because they're so I was so excited when I saw they were getting a rewrite I was like, oh boy, they're gonna be good No, they missed it again I mean like they're competing in space that includes the um Uh, the grim gas even though the grim gas is certainly more expensive. Um, but actually not a lot Right because 90 they're they're no sorry. They're priced at grim gas price Is grim gas to r 160 for 10? So there's their yeah, um, I don't know. I just Yeah, I mean, we're going to talk in a moment about how you can use these guys for the next two months. Um, okay Okay So then the uh cruel gas Cruciator our other new model. Uh, they feature in that story today as well the new short story, by the way Um And so this guy's interesting. He's interesting But I'm not going to give him more than interesting, but but here he is Okay, his basic ability is this like the reason you have this guy He's he's a six woman four up save ethereal six inch fly. He wrote so whatever that's why he's fine 120 points His special ability is basically this If he uses a shooting attack And does a wound Okay, which like whatever it's not out of the that's not that hard to achieve It's not that easy to be clear It's an attack against a unit within 12 inches. Yes It four attacks threes and threes neg two red Yeah, so like it's not that unlikely And he's not he is not a name character. He is not a name character It is not that unlikely That he does one damage, which is all he needs to do to turn on this. Well Hold on hold on four attacks threes and threes Neg two rend like there will like against a three up save that like that is not again I we always baseline against a four up save and against a four up save his average as average damage is like almost exactly one Sure, so again Yes, pick your target blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, whatever I said, it's okay. I didn't say it's not easy It's not hard. It's moderate. In other words, it's the sort of statistically modal outcome if you can get in range And you roll average He tends to do about one Okay, mm-hmm. Okay cool Uh, by the way, this guy is a totem Do you notice that? Yeah, I did He works for your stupid secondary objective Ah, anyways Rep and totems. Okay. Anyways if that goes down then the field of pain Ability that knight haunt have for being near a hero, which they obviously are theoretically because you know, he's around right So like they have it Goes from a uh Six plus to a five plus But only for wounds Not for mortal wounds And only units holy within 12 of him, right? Holy within 12 is a perfectly fine bubble It's perfectly fine. It's it's not because you know what the best part about this rule is I'm ready You can only use this in your turn Sure. Yes, correct because you have to a shot But the problem is is that if you are that close You're actually going to have a you're going to you will have either most likely have charged that turn as well and charging a unit At like with him at 12 it like If he isn't like four inches off the line getting a whole unit holy within 12 and and engaging like an enemy line Is actually like really difficult to do Um, I've done this I I know this because Like setting up and charging especially in a knight haunt. It's so easy to charge out of your bubble your 12 inch bubbles Sure, and it's like really hard to maintain that And him having to like shoot means it's only in your your phase at this triggering And then you last until your next shooting phase, but yes, I understand But the point being that like it just becomes an issue Because of the way 12 inch bubbles work and because of the way combat works like you you're not going to use this on x-rays ever No, I don't think you were No, I think it's it's something that's you're gonna generally buff a unit of infantry that's around him Right and it's not really going to be any of your 32 mil base infantry Because you can get like seven models in that area. Oh my god. You're that's so ridiculously wrong Do you know you could fit an army in a holy within 12? You know why I know that tom because that's a stupid bridge I've watched I've literally watched my city's our opponent take five units of 30 But you're not able to engage the enemy But you're engaging enemy with like seven models when you do that That's my point is that you may have your whole army within 12 of like 30 units or 30 models That's fine. Only seven of them can actually get in combat and if any of them pile in they'll break your holy within 12 That's what i'm saying. That's the problem here. Okay. Look two things one Corn is like don't cry for me argentina with your holy within 12 luxurious bubbles as they're fighting with their holy within Eight and garbage like that that we're going to talk about in just a minute with the legion of the first prince So one shut your mouth. Okay, holy within 12 is like the stock standard of this game. Okay, it just is So if it's hard, then yeah, it's hard because you're not meant to have it all the time You're meant to need to play carefully to get it now, but The my problem is on a conditional ability. Sure. My issue is That it doesn't cover mortal wounds because ultimately I agree with you. You got to work for it. No disagreement It's not automatic. You've got to work for it. Okay, and it's a marginal damage reduction buff I mean, there's a big difference between going from six up to five up like a catastrophically huge difference, but The problem with it is it's it doesn't cover mortal wounds. That's why I don't like it That's it If they have a cute this and said no, sorry, we left mortal wounds off. But yeah, it works on those two. I'd be like, okay This guy's interesting. Is he like great? Is he an autotake? No, but could he have a home in certain lists? Yeah, 100% Because going to a five up feel no pain in a big bubble around him and it is a pretty big bubble Okay, it's just solid Like especially as it's not always just you engaging Okay, like yes, maybe you charge and then you get countercharged or the unit spills around you or whatever It's doing more defense But you have to have triggered yet like you have to get in his face. It's gonna last until your next shooting phase Sure, but if you get charged He can't trigger it. He can't buff his out as you set it up. He did it. He's an interesting defensive bastion hero in that regard You like like it's a nice thing If you can like line up shoot a dude charge people off an objective or whatever and then hold it That's a pretty good bonus to have Uh Like the game isn't only you charging into people But but with this ability functionally it it almost is That's my that's my concern is that setting this up is actually really difficult in any reliable manner I just I just I would love really difficult I would love to see you run this guy And and jump through all the hoops and we would get like 30 minutes into the game and you'd be like I run slowness. You think I'm gonna get disappointed by rules get out of here. Okay Give me a break. I'll take your last sub faction We just covered has more synergy synergy than my entire battle tome. I don't want to hear it. Tom Okay, so It's fine I don't like it right now because it doesn't cover mortal wounds. That's the issue because that's what that's where the weakness is here right like it would have been interesting because knight on have this problem with people who who Who kind of could splash mortal wounds around pretty heavily? Right and this would have actually been a mathematically interesting way to kind of hedge against that But because it doesn't do that that to me is what robes his role uh So meff said that like if he gets charged couldn't he couldn't he shoot as a charge reaction and um And then uh trigger this ability The answer is hypothetically. Yes Assuming that whatever allows you to trigger that Like ability allows him to shoot Yeah, I seems like that's thank you meff excellent point Excellent point. I like this guy even more now Meff here with the win So you're gonna let me let me get this straight. You are gonna spend a command point to give yourself A four attacks at minus one to hit maybe fours and threes neg to rent one damage fours and threes neg to rent I'm hoping that you're going to get one damage through in order to increase the after save by One on units holy within 12 of only wounds Like that's what I said. The reason I don't rate him is because of the not mortal wounds Right. Well, again against certain armies. Yeah, maybe depends on what he's gonna be charged by Sure Because again, it's actually like this isn't that hard to set up defensively even without the standard shoot reaction I just I just fundamentally disagree with that But at any rate, we'll see Is that is that really worth a command point though? Why not? I can't give I can't give my unit plus one to save because I'm a ghost Also true. Um Yeah, yeah, like I'm ethereal so I can't get the bonus to save so I got some command points to burn here, buddy. They're in my pocket. Just waiting to be spent I'm a dangerous man with somebody in my pocket. Look out Okay, so at any rate, uh New battalion, uh The last thing we have for overnight. I want to keep moving sorrow more inquire Boy for two months. This is gonna be The uh It has ladio one dread scythe heritans two mere morn banshees It gives you a two up bodyguard for ladio to the other units in the same battalion. Yep, which is fantastic Uh ladio counts as a general in addition to the other model So if you do stick this all in right nor is condemned you can you can trip gen Uh, you're living that invader's lifestyle But uh, but you get to do it where all your heroes actually can work together and help each other. So that's nice And um I mean, what's it do, right? So I wrote the what's it do here and in my Estimation ladio was a really really really powerful piece Like she does so much damage She does the problem with ladio has been that she is like an eight wound model that is pretty easy to remove Okay, right, right, uh, and like Every time I've met ladio under on the table. I've just charged her with something aggressive and blown her up Right, like that's she's not fast enough. She did you like she can't protect herself enough like All that kind of stuff Yep, and Giving her a two-up bodyguard to a potato other units actually does significantly increase her wounds Yes, okay Yep, and it becomes this sort of it's not like the dread scythe heritans are going to do anything else Right, like that unit is just literally there to die for her So, um Oh, do I have it backwards? This was to be two units of dread scythe heritans No, it's one one dread. I'm looking at it right now one one dread scythe heritans two units of mirror morn Cool. Good. I thought I got it right. Okay Uh, yeah, I you'd get three battalions So with battalion if you go in the right north you get three generals Yes, because you'd have whoever you picked like your dreadblade hero realistically Plus right north since you're in right and north's condemned and he counts as a general Plus lady olander because this battalion makes her count as a general So they're all voting around as generals all using that teleporting trick too Right, but that won't matter in the next edition. Sure. Again, if battalions go away, then you lose this fun trick, but hey, there you are Yep. Yep So There you go Uh Okay, uh Yeah And this battalion isn't that expensive. I don't know the points written down when I want to say it's like 120 or something like that off the top of my head. I don't remember It's fine. Yeah, it's cool. It's cool trick. Uh It may and june the well, you got to wait to use this in tournaments until we get the FAQ So you'll have like seven weeks You're assuming that they're gonna update the FAQ before the addition change I am okay. Let's talk bellicor himself big bad baby bellicor. Let's do this Okay I love bellicor I'm over here talking to bellicor. He's like, how am I gonna how am I gonna kill these stormcasts? I'm like bellicor. You've got these You've got these big beautiful claws. Okay, so at any rate Yep Bellicor the dark master Uh Here is my summation of bellicor. He has a larger frame to hold a game winning special ability at a better price This was a rebalance of something that should have never been on sure Sure, sure bottom line. Yep Yep, I agree with that because he was an ally Uh That just always showed up in every chaos army all the time, right? Yep. Yep, and he Um He was way too cheap like here's because here's my answer Some number of games Will be won Simply by using dark master Yes, using dark master at the right time can win games. Correct. Not every game Yep, not most games Yeah, but some games It might be just say In a five game tournament, it's very likely you might pull one win solely off of dark master like that will be the easy deciding factor between victory and loss I did Sure Like when I think back to um The year I ran him into adepticon I can think of at least one entire game That was simply just outright won by dark master. Sure Sure. Yeah Um, uh, I loves him Yeah, he's he does more damage now like his sword got bigger. He got two additional attack lines Uh, the sword went to plus two attacks an additional rend Dark master changed a little it might be worth talking about Um, it used to be that dark master you could you could evade dark master if your unit could start off the board Right, right because he had to pick something that was on the board at the start of the game And then it's still fired even if bellicor died Right. Yep. Yep. Now both of those things are reversed Right. Well, and you don't you don't have to predicate what the unit is at the start of the game Exactly Right But he has to be alive to do so because obviously he has to be alive to use his ability Right, right before like you had to write down what unit It was going to get screwed at the start of the game, which was always my favorite I had this little laminated token with the picture of bellicor that said bellicor on it and I would write Uh and dry erase on the other side of the token and then just set it face down on the table. Sure. Sure It'd be like uh, uh, yeah so To me whenever you've put a like an ability on a monster or on a creature that can just literally through its use win the game This is one of my problems with the um The scenario lor seeker, right? Like he has an ability that can that will win games at the margin and it's just way too cheap for what that is Right 160 points for him like that frame is too small to contain an ability that big Right, right, right so This guy's better priced and makes sense for for what he's able to accomplish Um, yeah, he's scary. He will bracket and stuff like that. He has a monster now. He can he can bracket down Um, he can't he is quite tough in his own um In his own sub allegiance, which we'll talk about in just a moment Uh outside of his sub allegiance. He's like he's okay He's fine So You know, he's he's 14 wounds on a four of ethereal Okay It's pretty good. Sure. There's not a lot on a 14, uh, ethereal anymore. Sure Uh, yeah, so 380 points That's the amount he should be to contain that ability Like he's still liable so he can still show up But that's a significant bigger dedication of points you have to make to him, which I think is healthy for the game Right, like I didn't like this guy showing up at like 240 and just always being there just bringing Because he was just it was he was just a dark master delivery system. That's it Right. This is a healthier way to build this guy Bottom I agree Yeah Okay, cool Let's talk legion of the first prince. Uh, it is a replacement for the the old loka I say old like it's that old, but you know, it's a year and a half or whatever um Replacement for the legion of chaos ascendant and legion of the first prince rules that were in the wrath of the ever chosen Yep And this is an you know, we talked a while back tom about modular versus linear design Right, and this is like a very modular Allegiance one of the most modular allegiance they've ever made right because and but that means the attenuation of loka before it but But this can take the only units you can have in your army are chaos demons Right, so they have to have those two keywords, but they can be any Chaos demons Yep, okay All right, uh So re-roll hit rolls for bellicor when he's within 18 inches of one of each of the battle line demons when I say battle line demons I mean you have to be within so those are bloodletters daemonettes plague bearers and horrors um And you're never going to get that ability So because he has to be within one of each Yes, I have four of those units within range of him. Yep. Nope. Nope but Uh, if bellicor is on the battlefield and a general roll a dice for each friendly battle line Demon on a 3 plus return d3 models. You only get one horror back. Um, so that's cool Um, because that's just sort of as long as he's alive and the general you just get to start putting models back There's no range to that. It's just everybody Sad part about that is they changed it from bolded to the specific battle line demons Right because you used to be able to do it with anything with the bolded keywords So like plague drones would you get a d3 back? Right Or secret chariots It's his, uh, what's the name of it? Because I just wrote the abilities It's in there I am not seeing this it's called like the dark like, uh, darkened skies or something like that The cursed skies. Sure. Why not? I don't know. I don't have it in front. Yeah. Okay. I see it Okay. Yep. Thank you. I I translated all this in but I didn't like, you know, I didn't yep I was trying to be succinct and not just at the end of the battle Battle shock base. Yep. Yes. There you go Um, you get a six up feel no pain for the whole army. So all your people get a six up feel no pain, right? Um, yeah, it is a shame that you can't return like d3 secret chariots anymore because that was funny But at the same time like okay, I get it Uh And you get to do a 3d6 roll at the end of the movement phase from when you're heroes to summon one unit of Basic demons of the battle line demons each round on a 10 plus So again, like 10 bloodletters depends on the the mark of the hero you you used it from they summon By their mark bello core can summon anything or six theories Right, which is hilarious um So yeah, um, you get a universal spell here all your casters get one spell called master's command Which is just a fight on death spell The command traits I think that are good. The people would take would be either the plus one to summoning the unyielding legion So it goes off on a nine effectively if you roll a nine on the dice It actually that that does screw with the odds and actually a pretty significant way Or plus one to the feel no pain So it's a five up feel no pain then wholly within eight of the general Yeah, it's interesting. Uh, you didn't mention the feel no pain on bello core Yeah, I I'm sorry. I skipped that. I should have mentioned that. Yes, I Which I would argue I would argue that's the most significant ability here It it is I actually was typing quick and left it off. That's that's my mistake But yeah, go go ahead and knock that out because yes, it is because if bello cores within nine inches of any of those battle line units the bloodletters the horrors the daemonettes or the plaguebearers um, he gets a Basically a four up feel no pain that gets allocated to those units instead Yeah, the trick is it's a bodyguard. So he gets that and his six plus in this faction Right. Yes. And so he would have like four up unrendable and then four up Bodyguard and then six up. Yep. Um, and the four up bodyguard he can pass to like a horror that can split Or he could pass it to a plaguebearer that'll have its own five up, uh negation Yes. Yeah, and then they can then regen using the curse guys Yep, so, um Like he'll end up tougher in this that he will be in Dispoilers because in dispoilers he would get a flat five up Uh shrug feel no pain, right? Right, right? But uh, the the difference is if you if he keeps his his battle line demons near him He's tougher because he's he's four up four up six up as opposed to just four up five This is none of those allegiances This is the chaos demon allegiance, right? So it's it says when you're taking a chaos army like this is its own thing It's not in slaves to darkness. It is it's you are a chaos allegiance. Yes. Yes It's its own allegiance under chaos like it is separate from slaves to darkness or anything else Though he like just to return to him real quick. I don't have it on the scroll here But he does have the slaves to darkness keyword And the undivided undivided for marking. Yeah, so you can take him in a slaves to darkness army He doesn't have to be in this in his own allegiance here Yep Uh, and then the artifacts it's got the four full blade still which is still good still good. Yep Yep, it's uh, it's you know, you know, all your attacks every five up is a d3 mortal wounds basically so Yeah solid still solid on a uh vermin lord corruptor, which is what everybody always gives it to Or if you want to be silly like me, you can put it on a contorted epitome Who has nine attacks? That's true um So Yeah, I mean it's an interesting Allegiance it's very modular because it's like do whatever you want. I've seen lots of people playing with lots of different lists There's a ton of units in this Right because you can get the scaven demon lords. You can get like kadai you can get uh You know, obviously all of the main demons themselves, right? So Uh plague drones and all that kind of stuff can be in here So, you know, there's quite a quite a wide selection of stuff you can build but it is all very modular It's just so uninteresting to me because aesthetically the demons are so different sure That like this type of like rainbow army. I'm just like nah Yeah, sure, but I know there's a lot of people who do like this There's a lot of people who who are big fans of the like demonic hordes right the chaos demons as a thing and this does enable that It's the same thing I said when they first made loco Yeah, is that I know there is a section of people out there who really dig just like the sort of demonic hordes concept sure um and Yeah, there you go. Yep I'm glad that they have this Yep. Yeah, a lot of my mention the spell right here master's command. That's what I said All your wizards get a spell that's fight on death Uh, yeah, good stuff Anything else you want to say about that like it's it's interesting. It's build around. It's not game breaking. I'm sure you'll see some fun lists It has no battalions, but who cares They're all getting their own battalions or does it tom or does it By the way, let's just you know, you want it you want me to take another wild swing since this is show of wild swings Sure. Okay um Do you want to know what I would write for a generic battalion? Of one hero and like three battalion units or something like that What Vince what ability I would put on it I put a generic bodyguard ability on it for that hero Of course and that's what everybody wants right everybody complains about shooting and the ability to snipe out particular heroes The easy way to solve the shooting problem is to put to make that generic battalion to have a bodyguard ability built into it Right what you do is like one of them is going to be like a commander escort and it'll actually be like I mean you can either go one with some from units or it could be something Like this two to four heroes And one initial unit that unit can absorb any wounds for any of those heroes It'll be the other way around because that because that's the the better way to build it is the one hero That those people have to protect so you can't bodyguard everybody because we need to be able to snipe some heroes Which is not all your right well that but it's not useful if you only have one unit absorbing shots for four or five Because that unit just simply almost can never be hard enough to actually take all those hits. Sure. Um, so actually like The what I described would keep them safe for a bit But would not outright protect them if you had three units they could all absorb for one guy that dude's never dying ever Yeah, I Well depends on what you set the bonus to Sure, right if it's if it passes on a two up, it's very different than it passes on four up, right? Right, right huge difference mathematically So, um, yeah, so I mean it like the you would believe it to say probably like one hero without the monster keyword in three Yeah, I mean So if I if I were if I were writing, uh, as an aside just we'll do this real quick Um, I would do a bodyguard like keep the general live style I would do like a command squad where two to four heroes bonus command point on a four up or something um, I would do a um a mobility skirmishy thing Right, so something where uh, they can run in charge And uh I would do one that allows you to either shoot or pilot in the here or shoot or pilot and attack the hero phase Yeah, I I hope they don't do that one because I think people hate that but I get it Like something that is combat Like combat focused, right? Yeah. Yeah, um that that gives Like because that's one of the abilities that's always chasing people are always looking for Utilizing sure and so that wouldn't surprise me. It's all I'm saying Yeah, it'll be interesting to see what they do with those because that just feels like that feels like the kind of thing They're gonna write, right? It just kind of right like generic all-purpose stuff that You know because like I could see that Like even in the one I just named like the hero has to be within Holy one of the units has to be holy within 12 inches of the hero Um, if that's the case the hero's still alive You know once per hero phase they can command a unit to blah, right to either shoot or pilot and attack Yeah, no, we're talking autumn. We're talking the potential generic battalions of the aos 3.0 The hypothetical vince speculated on one and I pitched out the other four Right. Okay is the types of things that we'll see. Yep. All right. So now narrative Be warned Here there be spoilers Okay So we're gonna go through this quick We're gonna do we're gonna do just a brief overview to hit the high points of the story Remember Doug's length see a lengthy series of videos is linked down below if you want the full recap All right, tom We're giving everybody enough time for the spoilers Okay, here we go. You've been okay. So the first major move is we see a serif on campaign That takes place. It focuses on the uh, the genesis gate. That is the the gate from gi ron to the all points Elario had reluctantly opened that up back in broken realms for raffi. She now And this returns to that scene where the hallowed knights are guarding the entrance Because again reopening that gate was a really big deal narratively And what ends up happening is gardis is in the hallowed knights are holding it along with I believe some celestial vindicators And a bunch of serif on drop in and they're like yay. We're saved Yeah, they're they're like fighting back the hordes of cast that are coming to get the gate, right? Like they're they're getting overwhelmed. They're dying like they're they're Taking down five for every one that they lose because storm casted the heroes Continue But they're dying and so they're like, oh no And then the bushes rustle and some serif on come out and they're like, oh these weird allies. We're saved And then the serif on are like They just phenomena It's getting through here. Excuse me. Excuse me. They just like march right past all the storm cast. Yeah, yep And the storm cast are like curse you You're uh inevitable the trail Um Yes, this is actually dinosaurs in that scene. Yeah, I I get it. I was falling. I think it's a very good You didn't quote it exactly right, but I'm with you Yeah, you're sudden but inevitable the trail. Um, and then what ends up happening is Uh, they march into the all points and they uh at the lead uh, or at the the command of Croke they are hunting A gaunt summoner. Yes, and so They're the guy the book eater Whatever leader of tokes. Yeah quick note as we leave behind the The storm cast who are at the gate. Um, gardis does eventually go and fight another uh Another um great unclean one and loses again Uh, because he really likes fighting Great unclean ones and losing. Yes, uh, at least this was narratively accurate. Um His hammer does basically no damage. I agree that I do agree with on the scroll And uh, he gets crushed, but as he's dying he sees that the gate through the gate comes A bunch of hammers and sigmar hammers sigmar and they're saved. Yeah, they're saved. Yeah, um, but he goes and gets reforged Um, and then it cuts to this like what we find out is seraphon go through They are chasing down the gaunt summoner that we met back in uh, Murathi, so I like that they picked the narrative back up here. Um, and they like Five and then it they go to like space station seraphon Or i'm sorry. It was the space station silver tower Well, they're fine. Yeah, so they go they they go to the silver tower to the eater of tome silver tower Remember there's there's nine gaunt summoners and and they have these silver towers. This one's on like the Uh And so this one's in this particular like hidden veil basically, right? And they march the way across there They start blasting this place and they note that like they're all all their like laser beams and attacks They tend they're tending to focus on like one area of the tower. It's like an inner Yeah, it's the nuclear reactor. They're trying to crack right and so to defend itself the silver tower is like Okay, enough of this You know eater tomes teleports back up into his into his command station Sticks his staff in the wall and is like beep boop beep And he launches the silver tower into space because it takes off like a 50s sci-fi rocket Like I literally pictured this happening like an old 1950s black and white, you know Yep leaves the seraphon behind He gets up into space and he's like ha ha You'll never get me gadget and then avoid. Yes. Like he starts taking incoming fire He opens his view screen. This is not a joke Like he's there like he waves his hand and part of the the tower becomes transparent so he can see outside, right? And he looks outside the tower and there are like nine seraphon spaceships Like pyramid spaceships opening fire. Oh like they weren't all just pyramids It's like one of them was a straight up dragon masted sort of like or dragon hold Shaked ship and they just start laying into him In laying into this tower with space weapons And uh, and they're like they're targeting that same spot blowing it open. Okay Yes at the head of the fleet Is croaks personal spaceship, which has a name that I don't remember. It's a weird seraphon name And so they like they shoot this thing a whole bunch And the silver tower cherry to the gods is the uh Is the is the name of the ship? And They shoot this thing a whole bunch and the silver tower is meant to fly but not like under this kind of fire power so it crashes, but it doesn't crash back down into the same realm because again We're like up in space in some indeterminate amount. It's got lands on another planet. Yeah, shamun. It lands on shamun And by the way, just a quick pause here in the story Where is this? Where is this in the rules? I want this so bad You're giving me like this air battle thing, you know, like I appreciate that jervis loves these kind of old school war games of like, you know The planes fighting and doing little turns and stuff like that I I know what games he was kind of repping that he loves that style of game and he did the air battles That's fine. Okay. I have no issue with that Where is my aos firmament warriors expansion? Where we're like, where is the battle fleet gothic aos? Okay uh Hold on Wait a minute. There are laser dragon spaceships piloted by dinosaurs Fighting against chaos magic rocket towers and that's not anywhere in the game that I can purchase We have missed a trick here folks. We've missed a trick This is the battle battle toad gothic I don't sound gothic. Did you pull that out of the comments or was that out of you? That was me. Sorry. That is amazing That's the funniest thing you've said on this show, maybe ever Thanks. Um, one of the one of the deep 80s cut, uh and so Uh spaceships Go boom. Yeah, and they crashed On shimon. Yes, and then Gotcha. Yeah, um So it crashes down and he's out there inspecting his tower Right. Eater tomes is out there. He's like, oh man. They messed up my tower, but I'm fine. I got away to my ship Yeah, my reactor's still right. I just need to get some repairs done on the ship And then in come another seraphon like boy did croak have layer of fun layer of play on here Uh as the third seraphon army, which he knew like as croak had foreseen All of this came to pass the thunder lizard show ups. These are the coalesce. They were there in shimon waiting They roll up And then they attack and they they blow the powder They blow the max they blow the power And it goes pop goes to silver tower Pop goes one of the nine Yes gonsominers. Yes, he is Um In the feedback causes a couple of interesting effects The first of those is that it causes all the realm gates to like pop In this huge area and like create a feedlet back loop that does a bunch of destruction Yeah across realms the key is these silver towers. Each one is kind of connected to And through through the verinights or like that to these To specific realm gates and so across the realms of some realm gates not like a not necessarily huge Amount of them, but some go like boom and just explode and stop working Okay So that's one and then two and most importantly Uh, yeah, and then most importantly This like mist this dark clouds clouds spreads out because of you know fair knight right because of reason And what we find out is that the storm cast souls can no longer return to easier Under the under the very night cloud Which spends the rest of this story spreading over Shamone and beyond Seemingly spreading the other realms Yes, they talk about it spreading to the other realms. We'll we'll get to some summation that at the end. Um And so This is where bellicor kind of enters the story, but we'll get to him in just a second uh The destruction of this blast Is so massive. It's hard to contain. It's hard to like fathom It's a nuclear No, no is a react a reactor just went it's not it's not a nuclear bomb Nuclear bombs are weak compared to this they because they actually get really specific in this, okay? Okay The crater that this explosion creates is a thousand miles wide Now there are no nuclear bombs that leave thousand mile wide Craters certain. Okay. It's like a meteor hit. Yes. Yes Absolutely like it's That first of all that shows you the size of the realms Like how big they are A thousand mile wide crater like throwing up that much junk like on earth. That's a world-ending event like literally just yes That's it. Yes Right. It it's a the crater itself is a thousand miles wide That's not the full realm of the like explosion like it shatters mountains. It's it evaporates an ocean like it is Beyond massive. There's a there's a KO fleet. We we pick up with right. That's like 6,000 leagues away And they see this explosion and they're like That's not good Yes, they talk about how the only reason it was able to survive Even though it was that far out was because it was like a brand new ship that had been fitted with like the newest Athermatic resistances. So it was like really good at withstanding the realm magics, right? Um like holy crap That was a big boom like it's Yeah, it is a massive massive massive asteroid hitting a planet, right? It would it's an unfathomable amount of damage It would be like on the scale of our world. It's just complete and it's end within minutes All life is so you're saying that a comet killed the dinosaurs I'm I'm saying that uh, when we try to put that on our world Like it just shows how much bigger than our world the mortal realms are sure right sure because like they're still like shamon still exists Right like that that that area of shamon is much different now Right, but like shamon itself still exists okay, yep So it spreads um And then what we learn as we transition away from this narrative is that actually All this is according to plan Uh, because it it indeed has been foreseen And now we've learned that's been for orchestrated Is that uh bellicor is like is is puppet mastering the whole situation And now he fed the information to croak that led him to to learn about the pinpoint the thing to blow up the tower To set off the nuclear explosion because he wanted the chain reaction cloud Is ultimately he had his his sites Set on he's trying to like earn his way back up in chaos improve himself like a big big boy um like he always does And so he had his eye set on a city one of the first of the cities of sigmar Vindicarum home of the celestial vindicators And so he's gonna like he's gonna take this this city out And it's gonna be It's gonna be like a symbolic victory Not unlike what teclas was doing back in battle tome teclas where he's like i'm gonna punch him and And it'll show that i'm awesome Yes, and that they're not so awesome Well, he's gonna do the same And so he but he also uh the last time we'd seen bellicor he had had a curse put him on him by lady o And so this is where night haunt come in where he's like, you know what? I need to go pay her a visit So he takes some demons and invades lady o's like home And he like she's like, oh, we're winning. Ha ha ha. Wait a minute. It's a distraction. Oh, no And runs it runs down to the crypt and sure enough bellicor is down there with her remains Which is all kinds of creep And then he like takes the sword was a creeper in this book dude. That's not cool Yeah, and he like pokes her in the face with the sword. Yeah, he's like hey like poking at her remains like a real creeper. Yeah Yeah, and she's like, don't you dare blah blah and he's like, oh, I'm not here to I'm I'm not here to kill you Maybe we can work out a deal and so basically, uh, they cut a deal And they agree to a truce and they agree to work together done done done Because what he's orchestrated with the storm cast will allow her and thus negash to reclaim all those storm castles that were robbed So like let's work together temporarily um, and so they like Dramatic overacting yada yada She puts a little a little spectral hourglass over his head and is like Very well, we have an alliance until the sand runs down and like, okay, cool. He's like, yeah, great That's what I was looking for. So you're gonna help me out and she's like, yeah, man. Okay, great. Let's be friends now Yeah, let's okay. We punched like a very fast furious type of move Yes, we punched a bit and now we're mates now we're mates and so, uh, they go off to vindicarum a joint chaos demons and ghosts ghosty boys army um, and uh, so in the meantime Vandus has returned not vandus. Sorry um Vardus has returned. He's like, hey friends Yeah, there's this thing happening and like he because he's he's all butthurt because He doesn't understand what the seraphon betrayed them And so he's praying and then croak answers his prayer because of reasons And reveals to him the grand master plan and that there's more at work with this Venducarum and so he's like, I'm gonna go save the day And so he takes a while at nights and goes to vinducarum and he's like, hey everybody You're about to die and the slush indicators are like, no, we're fine um And then the bad guys show up and they're not fine. Yes, and like this a very long battle in act three commences Um, which could be to your taste or not It's it's it's one of those classic like given sort of take battles where different things happen. Um, this could be a uh This could be subtitled broken realms bellicor We like big booms and we cannot lie because there is a lot of big explosions in here One of the key moments that happens in the siege of vinducarum Is uh The so that this is where uh, what's his name? He has a name Alsizar or whatever the the the named uh, herald on burning cherry a guy This is where he kind of shows up and He orders a bunch of his flamey demons to go target the powder kegs instead of the Like the powder store instead of that's what you do Yes, and so he blows the kid the powder kegs and causes like a massive explosion that that then blows The hole out of the wall in this like caldera type of fortification That the vindicators have and sort of creates an opening right where where his forces can Can pile in so it creates this big explosion. It kills one of the named Lord castellans. I think that we had seen earlier. Uh, loris Uh, crim. Yeah, that's who it was. He gets exploded And does not is not going home because of cloud Um now we should mention that the same time this battle is happening. We don't it's not all just this battle There is another sort of thing happening, right? Mm-hmm and the other thing happening is, uh Is the um Uh, the ko we're all meeting right so there's this big meeting of the ko And They're all like, okay, what are we gonna do? You know, are we gonna help are you are you saying loris grim? Is that what i'm saying? Is that his name? Sure. Yes Oh, I thought no like So he dies at bellicorps hands if that's who who you're who i'm thinking of Uh, I well one of them dies in the explosion. There's a castellan who's named at the explosion They could have very close names. Anyways, so talk about the ko thing because that's relevant, obviously Okay, I I was actually really heartbroken about loris spoiler alert Um loris who's like one of the hallowed knights heroes From like the hallowed knights books and everything like when gardis gets sucked away Like right like the main narrative in the like the allarial storyline follows loris Like he's a castellan that like the weight of leadership falls upon him and you follow him Well, he kind of like dies offscreen Here because like Gardis is fighting and then like bellicorps enters, you know, they're like bellicorps bellicorps They're chaining bellicorps and he shows up and like kills Like loris like in hand like stabs him with the sort of shadows Um, so it was a very traumatic for me storyline because i'm like, I know that guy like the only guy I know in loris dead now. Why'd you do that? Okay. Anyway, it's moving on So what's happening with the ko is that they're having the second great council of whatever Like the first one they made their laws and now they've reconvened and they're basically like this is an extinction level event The way that things are progressing so we need to unify and we need to step up and uh play thunder struck on the loud speakers An air drop in like battle start black That's the plan here Um And so there's and they're all arguing like the ko heads. There's there's sort of there We kind of got introduced to this character. We didn't mention earlier Yep, um But it's it's worth mentioning here Is that we meet this new little arcanot named crompy. Okay. Yep and You know, he seems very wise and and and is like clearly even though he's just a regular arcan He seems very like wise beyond his his years, right? Yep, and he's hooked up with this andren master named humbleton and as the As the meeting is basically progressing nowhere right um Andren master humbleton and this and and grompy this arcanot right come in uh and He comes in which is a breach of the code right because it's supposed to be the admirals and uh This guy this little arco grompy who's very old He like raises up his hand and everybody quiets down. He has this like air of authority right, right And he sort of he basically renders everybody silent And then he brings with him sort of these latest aeronautical readings, which I love. I love the concept of it. So funny like the the sort of new interpretations of the code, right right And and of the the latest readings of where the eighth or gold is and stuff like that And this is this comes from barricnarr and basically what they say is okay. There's this big He's like look there's this big convergence and All of this eighth or gold because the nature of the convergence of energies over vindicarem This is going to be the greatest haul of potential eighth or gold we could ever have Yep, right And so When everybody hears that this is going to be like the richest prize because one of their sayings is like in conflict lies Bounty or something like that. Yeah something like that And so he basically everybody's like oh wait hold on we can get super rich off of this Okay, never mind. What are we doing here? Let's get in our boats and go, right? And the and so what who brings this to a motion because you got to have an admiral bring this up is our our friend admiral Imota who we had seen in the previous story, right? So she was the one who got her her eye cut out basically and she I don't even know, you know aged beyond her years She had a rough go of it and so Um Yeah, and so there you go that's and they're like, okay, he kind of leaves on a little bit of like a we're not sure but You know whether or not how if the motion's going to pass So there you go Okay, so that's kind of happening at the same time, right as this lengthy siege Yep, uh Yeah, so okay back to you john keep going Um, so then Gartus gets in a punch up with bellicor and is basically losing It's the best way to describe it like Uh, not surprising you've seen his worst role. Um, he's punching like a hundred point hero and um Basically when all is lost and like the celestial vindigators have been like almost wiped out to a man Sorry martin the KO shows up Yes, and guns blazing shooting out all the ships um pow pow Battlestar galactica drops in the atmosphere and The largest fleet of anything everywhere has ever been seen when you mentioned that scene That's like one of the greatest scenes in television history right anyways, yeah, you did and uh They arrive and KO wins today and the rest of the story reads like a fanfic of like my armies in my basement Sure, because it's like slaves to darkness and KO and pow pow and then storm cast and And then they win and show up in every okay um, but more importantly, uh The one kind of interesting note is that bellicor is like attacking a ship and he's gonna like you know like Exact vengeance and then like he's attacking the redoubtable which is a Which is the ship we mentioned earlier that was the one that was like 6 000 leagues from the explosion. So yes, yeah and Then he spots the grizzled archo on the deck that old figure And he recognizes something about that individual And he realizes it's time for him to remove himself from this fight So he goes home and returns to his throne. He withdraws his forces And he just leaves Yep, um, we are led to believe later that this figure is probably grungy himself Yes, or possibly the white dwarf, but most likely grungy So which would imply that grungy himself is back involved And is bringing the uh his his children back together We've seen that in the one uh in the one Like in one of the lore for the ko book. There was it pointed this direction as well Yep Uh, and so, you know bellicor has to like well, he's you know, he's sort of I accomplished more than archion did Ever, right? Yep, but he still is like smarting at the fact that he had to Uh withdrawal. Yeah Yep, and um There's like yeah, it ends with sort of I don't want to ruin this part But it does end with a nice little scene of grumpy like it kind of focuses in on one of those narrative scenes with him Yeah, and uh And so, you know, I would recommend if you get the book to read that it is Pretty pretty interesting stuff. So yeah, like I said, it's either grungy or the white dwarf because we saw Like some pointing towards grungy's Re-involvement with his children I'm like the narrative seems to be pointing that way so It's interesting that he's gathering seemingly the ko first Given that those are the ones that have kind of strayed the farthest from the old ways Um and like forsaken, you know, like one of their abilities is trust a like trust athermatics not faith or whatever um And so or trust athermatics not superstition um and so You know a lot of the ko story is turning their backs on the old gods um And so it'll be interesting to see the trajectory of the story from here on out Like barack grungy is significant because it has not turned its way on the old ways Um, and so it'll be interesting to see what what happens next yep uh And yeah, so that's it it basically ends with like bellicorps partially achieving his goals And oh, there's a nice little kind of re-confrontation with him and ladio in the middle to fight there too, but it's whatever Yeah, that doesn't matter um Yeah, and the answer is I think that yes, I think this points to the united dwarf sub faction not likely in broken realms But I think probably early to mid AOS That's what I'm hoping at least And that'll probably be the fix to the fire slayers by the way not new units Yep so I I I do the To me again We've talked before in these stories how the most interesting parts of them are sort of the heraldings of the future instead of the story itself, right? And grumpy is really interesting. He does show up several times in the story. He's pretty cool I do like the some of the confrontational scenes with with ladio and bellicor it is a bit melodramatic, but it's Uh, it's still interesting There were some brutal deaths In here, especially of like storm cast when they now that they the ones who are dying there can't reforge And I'll be honest with you. I don't love where that's going right Like I don't want storm cast to lose the ability to reforge Um Now it's a dark it's a dark path we're on Yeah, now there are interesting places you could go with that, right? That's a great threat Right And if it's built on that What eventually happens is Um They like because we've got grungy who was one of the original builders of the anvil of apotheosis, right? Yep Sort of back in the mix So if you have some kind of world where Storm cast we're like I could imagine some world where storm cast get forged in a different way Right where they have to right like they don't automatically like I could imagine a world where they don't automatically return to azir But rather their souls have to be gathered up and recovered. Sure or something like that. Yeah, exactly, right because we see the Night haunt gathering souls. Sure. Yep So I could see like Basically, like now you have the sacrosanct chamber actually having a function out on the battlefield, which is gathering souls with their little lanterns Yep, I mean, it's exactly what the lord exorcist is doing in the book He literally when the souls to can't get out of the because they can't escape the room that they're in because it's like this soul trapping room He literally just like holds up a staff and the souls just calm down and like naturally float into the staff and are And are kept safe right in there. Right, right so Like I don't want to see storm cast just be like, oh, they're not immortal anymore That's it. I guess Okay like Cool Like I I love that they like their story as it is Is really cool and good and interesting that they have to like go and they get reforged and it's painful and You know, they can lose parts themselves in various and interesting ways and develop into you know, the sort of these kinds of things um So I I am interested to see where this goes to to where that happens but I You know, I I do want to see storm cast remain around and remain Themselves I would love it if they got reforged if like if they use this as an excuse to like oh We have to the the storm cast need to be more Durable tougher or something like that or more scary or more powerful or whatever, you know what I mean and we like that's kind of the the Logistical reason for their new book coming and right and there's something that's kind of fundamentally different about how they operate or whatever I I could see them going narratively with a like hey now we need to like save the souls Right, like the souls that have been lost they need to be gathered And so let's unlock the crusader chamber. Sure Or the question happening in that short story that went out today. Yes, exactly that Right, like we need we need the cavalry to come save our disembodied brother, right and so Roll out the Bretonian knights Sure. Yep Um Yeah, so I I I will say of all this I am very very very interested to see where we end up going with with storm cast given this because I mean This was a hard book for them They took some hard L's over and over and over again Okay Yeah, um You know, this is the opposite of lumeneth Sure, the lumeneth they're not winning. It's too much winning. Okay but These guys like the storm cast just get beat and beat and beat in this book badly We we lose like named heroes. We lose a lot of storm cast who can't Reforge like it was significant bendicorum is Ruined right Yes, it didn't fall, but it's not a great most most of the Of the celestial bendicators Are gone. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, like most of that chamber done. Yep so It'll be interesting to see where it goes Uh, hey at least you know at least martin you have your historic army Celestial bendicators the anvil guard of storm cast. Yes indeed I Okay, so there you go. That's a story Yep. Yeah, it's good. Um, I look forward to Cragnos I look forward to Cragnos. Yes, it's coming probably in a month. I'm guessing sure Do you think we'll have two more books? I think it'll be one more before aos 3 And then they'll probably just continue it after aos 3 to set up the to set up the rolling plot of the next Like there'll be a break point Cragnos will will break for aos 3 aos 3 will then herald and they'll use the Maybe another broken realm book or two to set up like What's happening now that this change has occurred? Right to establish that so you actually think that the that broken realms will go into aos like on the other side aos 3 Yeah, maybe Why not? I don't think so. I think we're gonna get Cragnos mid-may Okay, we'll have a two to three week break and then we'll get hit again with the final broken realms book And then I think that we will We'll have a month break approximately and we'll jump right into aos 3 And first week of july. Okay. We'll see so Yeah, I mean the It's very much like a of varus where are my legions or whatever type of moment there in the end, right? Yeah So All right, well good. There we go. Uh, that's I think this book is Story-wise is actually The I would place it what second so far like it goes marathion bellicor teclis for the value of the video Does that sound right? I agree. I agree like teclis like Yeah, I would agree bellicor is it's tight. This was better than teclis not quite as good as marathi. I think yeah Yeah, I'd agree that okay Cool. All right. Well, that's that's my that's my ranking. There we go. All right, folks Well, we hope you enjoyed the show if you did. 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