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I think he's going He always says he is but now I don't know and I don't know how I'm streaming this if he isn't so all that All right, here we go boom Chaka lock when the walls fell. Oh Chaka when the walls What is it somebody his arms open but I can't Timba timba with it timba Simba no, that's Simba Simba when the mountain lions I'm not making any sense Okay, okay, you ready? Yeah, I think so. Let's roll with it. Let's do it Daily tech news show is powered by you. Yeah talking to you find out more head of daily tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Wednesday, May 3rd 2017. I'm time merits got Johnson with me today How in the heck? Can you possibly want to miss this show? You thought I was gonna ask how you're doing? How's Scott? Well in the aftermath of American Gods from here. You can just call me Wednesday Mr. Wednesday. Oh, Mr. Wednesday to you. Yeah Yeah, man, we're gonna talk about watching TV today Hulu live launched here in the United States so we now have direct TV now sling TV PlayStation view Hulu and YouTube TV although YouTube's in limited markets right now So four of those are nationwide and five in some parts of the country to choose from Independent of your cable television company And so we've got a lot of thoughts on that None you can't watch American Gods That's true, you can't watch that any place unless you're a stars dude, but It's funny in a way and we'll talk about this But in a way we finally have all the choice we've been begging for as unpluggers for years And in some ways we don't have any choice. So we'll talk about that. Whoa. Well, you almost blew my mind Let's start with a few tech things you should know about Hey, uh, don't want to spend too much time on this but in case you didn't know most of you've probably heard about this All right, there was this clever new fishing scam working its way around on Wednesday Using google system to appear as if it is a legitimate request For access to your email and address book by google docs. Here's how it works You'd get an email from someone in your contacts and it's one of those typical spam things where once it infects someone It uses their contacts to email everyone they know so that it's like oh, it's from scott Well, he must be sending me a google doc. So it says it's a google doc when you click to open the google doc It says google docs with the google doc logo would like to manage your gmail and contacts Well, that should be your first tip off that something's not right because google docs doesn't need to ask for your access If you already have google docs, especially Google docs doesn't work like that. It this is a third party app Situation that you might have run into before where it's like, hey, this app would like to have access to your google account Well, a lot of people may have fell for that. So if you fell for it, you can revoke access By going to the connected apps section at my account google.com slash security Looking for an app named google docs, which shouldn't be in there Uh, and then revoking access for that. So there's a way to fix it. It's funny though It had some weird side effects like uh, I wasn't the only one that had this apparently although for a while I thought I was I thought it was just my isp But a smattering of people got back to me and said they saw the same thing. They couldn't get into docs for a while and the theory being that maybe my or maybe uh, uh, google was hard at work trying to curtail this or slow it down or to seem to be regional So it could be unrelated. It totally could be. Yeah, there's no confirmation from google by the way on the outage so so that's the one part we don't have but um, kind of weird coincidence if it if it wasn't but Regardless, it's it's funny because not long ago. This something similar like this happens Someone tried to share a pdf document with my wife. This is months ago Uh, when she said yes, it asked her for her login information This is even more sneaky than that. This is sneakier than that because you're like, oh, okay google docs wants access Well, shouldn't it already have access? Yes Yes, it should so Don't say yes, but yeah, it's pretty plus it plays on these it plays on this trust We have with google like we trust google for the most part the the bigger companies kind of have our trust facebook has a No, absolutely. This is using google system. So if you look at your url, which is one of your best practices right way Does this really from google? It'll say oh, yeah, it's coming. It was using google system Uh, little blame on google for not checking to make sure that nobody was using something that is their name They they shouldn't have been able to call this thing google docs and have it use that system Yeah, it's a little janky, but at the end of it all I mean it just isn't obviously google doing this but Pretty clever sneaky move there hacker man. Whoever came up with this. Yep. Uh, here's some more top stories Uh, following up on the apple earnings. We talked about the actual earnings yesterday But on the earnings call which happened after our show tim kook claimed that apple watch sales nearly doubled year over year Did not provide a number so could have gone from one to two pretty sure it was more than that though Cook claimed its wearables revenue, which that would include not only the apple watch, but the beats headphones and the airpods wearables revenue was the size of a fortune 500 company So business insider the verge everybody went and immediately looked what is the revenue of the 500th company in the fortune 500? That would be 5.1 billion So tim cook claiming that revenues from wearables is about 5.1 billion dollars Just come out and give us a number stop making us do these puzzles tim cook. Come on Uh cook also said the number of apple pay transactions in the latest quarter rose 450 percent year over year The big headline and we mentioned this yesterday was the falling iphone sales Not not crazy that iphone sales would fall in q1 After the holiday quarter, but apple sales in china fell 12 percent And a lot of people are pointing to that to say ah, that's why the apple iphone sales fell more than people expected Ben thompson over at stratecary who's an incredibly smart guy argues the ubiquity of we chat In china might be the cause of the problem Because while ios users in other parts of the world will not often switch out of ios because they feel like They would lose too much by leaving the apple ecosystem Chinese users tend to see we chat as the ecosystem and we chat works pretty much the same on android as it does on ios so to them it's Well, that new iphone looks just like the old iphone. Why would i switch? Uh, and so that it's he's kind of saying the iphone looks like an older phone So they're going for newer flashier phones that look cool. Sure and we chat. I mean, there's no doubt that that thing It's interesting to refer to it as its own ecosystem though I hadn't really thought of it that way But if you're but if mostly what you use your mobile devices for are being Covered by the functionality of we chat then what else do you need? There's no reason to go premium or to get into another ecosystem Maybe it's an app rich ecosystem like i just pick whatever phone if you're just going to use we chat I I know maybe some people don't realize we chat is for payments. It's for calls. It's for communication It's for games. It's for shopping Like if you're thinking it's it's like your sms app It's it does way More than that it's what facebook messenger would like to be so that it can compete with we chat Even though it doesn't operate in the chinese market Yeah, and it's it's also something iMessage could be if apple wanted it to be or was willing to see if they Well, no, that's the good point right iMessage would have to work outside of ios to compete. Yeah, that's the only way I would do it. Anyway, it's super interesting That's how I talked to terpster now my good friend mark turpin and I only talked via we chat And I kind of have gotten so used to it that I sort of wish that's how I talk to everybody not what's app we chat Yeah, we chat There you go Mark zuckerberg said wednesday that facebook will add 3000 people over the next year to monitor reports of inappropriate material And remove videos of the likes uh things like murders and suicides They have been highly criticized and scrutinized lately because of recent events The 3000 is in addition to the 4500 people who already review the post right now Facebook has come under some criticism recently for taking as much as a day to remove a disturbing post Like the ones we just described Somebody said to me earlier. I do not remember who was someone over twitter mentioned Uh, there are dystopian novel writers just throwing in the towel because this sounds like a storyline From a book. They maybe we're gonna write Um, it's it's a strange time we're in but people are using these ubiquitous live streaming apps Not just facebook facebook. They just have the numbers to create a kind of a percentage problem Uh, where they're gonna be it's gonna happen there more than anywhere else and uh, it's brave new territory in a lot of ways Then I don't think it means that any more people out there Are wanting to do a dastardly deed like a perform a murder on screen or Take their own life on screen It's just that now anyone who was already sort of in that vein is going to have this as an option And take it uh, take it to the next level and it's a little scary Well, and if that's not even that is not new what is new is the ubiquity of the platform More people are on facebook than have been on any particular app or system Uh in forever, so I mean you you could post you could post things like this in the early 2000s even in the late 90s But people would have to know where to go to find it, right? It was it was it was something that might be hidden And it probably wasn't live Now it's not only easily accessible, right because everybody's on facebook You know a big chunk of the world's population is on facebook Uh and and and it's easy to find stuff. Uh once once it's there it gets shared around and everybody can see it so This this is an admission That our machine learning isn't there yet Uh algorithms can't can't identify this stuff. There's still you still need human reviewers Even 4,500 of them are not enough to handle the number of requests Because again remember Somebody sees something uh that they think is wrong Uh and report it. It's not the only thing that got reported like people have to be able to Understand and see that a request and a and a complaint is in fact real and that kind of judgment requires humans Yeah, plain and simple. So this is you know in the face of worries about automation I guess this could be some sort of comfort, right that hey, you need to just create a 3,000 jobs All of that all of that money that facebook can save on automation the other things the machine learning can do Can be spent on this Sure, and I I take heart in that. I think it's something they have to do. I think it it's good But when you think about the fact that facebook has a billion plus users now and a growth streak Meaning they're on the upswing or they have you know, they're always sort of going like this They haven't flattened out 7500 people is not a lot of people Like that's nothing compared to the volume of content. So they're so that number is probably gonna grow So you're still needing some algorithmic or crowdsourced Winnowing down, right? But they but they what this implies is that That's working well enough to get the things to in front of people But we didn't have enough people to work through the backlog fast enough, right? That is a larger I just want to make this one point that is a larger worldwide workforce than blizzard entertainment employees currently Wow, they do about 6,000 people worldwide and wow that seemed like a lot of people when I thought about it before but 7500 people whose jobs entirely focused on making sure videos and content on facebook are Not crossing lines. It's crazy. Now if you want some entertainment, uh, and you're into legal drama Check out the waymo uber lawsuit that is in court wednesday Debating accusations that current uber employee anthony levandowski took trade secrets from what was then google's self-driving car project It is now called waymo He is accused of taking 14 000 files Particularly related to how lidar works with him to found auto otto, which was acquired by uber In the hearing today, they're talking about a preliminary injunction google would like a preliminary injunction to stop uber from developing its lidar tech Waymo accused uber of a cover-up scheme Portrayed levandowski founded otto as a front for uber Waymo lawyers claim that uber gave levandowski 250 million dollars in stock the day after he quit google Before he founded otto The stock was actually granted as part of otto's merger with uber And the judge judge also pointed out that it's quite possible the vesting date of january 28th Could easily have been backdated waymo's lawyer admitted he did not have context for the doc It would it would make sense that in august when uber bought otto and they said oh We're going to grant you this stock and we're going to backdate the vesting date to january 28th the day after you left google Uh, it would be a conflict to put it when you were at google, but we'll backdate it for you, right? That's quite possible and uber says that's what happened Waymo is seeking an injunction against uber's autonomous car development judge also also said It is true that you have very solid proof that he referring to levandowski Did all that downloading under suspicious circumstances, but you didn't sue him you sued uber So what if it turns out uber is totally innocent? What if the worst thing they did was pay a lot of money to hire away a brilliant guy from a competitor? And he downloaded all this information and didn't consult them. So judge also warning waymo's lawyer Look If you can't prove that uber knew that he had these documents And that in any way those documents were used by uber you're suing the wrong people Yeah, this is a fascinating case man. I mean I've been involved in a couple of lawsuits sort of Parallel connections nothing that was directed at me but working for companies or with companies that were under an investigation. I had to do Under oath testimony Certainly in the gathering phase a couple of them didn't go to court one of them did Those were all really fascinating experiences in What always came down to it for me and it feels like this too Is it actually it makes me ask this question. Is it actually possible for 250 million dollars to pass hands? Without somebody doing something legal about it. Well, again, it's august, right? It's august when it passes hands that the money doesn't pass hand january 28th, right, right So but I guess my point is like That love that much money Always there's always going to be scrutiny whether you find something or not whether it goes to court or not Whether there's gonna be so many eyes on it. You're right. Yeah, it's just too big So in some ways I'm like, oh man, how cool would that be get pulled away from your old company for 250 million? That's a pretty sweet deal And then part of me says no, I don't want anything to do with this This sounds crazy and it doesn't matter where it came from or where you're going or what you're doing everybody's looking And somebody'll find some way to do something now Does this mean do you think this means that they're going they could turn around and say, all right Well, fine. We dropped the suit against uber now. We're suing Per judge off. I guess we're so sure dude. Yeah, maybe I don't know that they are precluded from doing that Uh, it certainly wouldn't help them in this trial and it would would cause a lot of expense that they wouldn't necessarily have Have undergone at that point the other thing that waymo has is some emails from an uber employee to levendowski while levendowski Was a google employee And the emails talk about A startup and some deliverables and it's pretty vague It could mean anything because uber and and google were in talks in general about things back then It's not like uber hasn't had any controversy lately. So i'm sure this is no problem for them Well that in the court of public opinion Everyone's like sure uber. Sure. You didn't steal things but so far in the actual court of law Things have have been leaning uber's way. We'll see if that continues again. This is just for the preliminary injunction They google might not get or waymo might not get the preliminary injunction But they'll still go to trial over the theft of trade secrets and the patent resolution as well Well, if you've ever been jealous of somebody else's phone now, you can be jelly of their phone A kickstarter for a 3.6 inch phone That's how long it is. Literally. It's like this you'll see pictures here from from roger on the video Uh is 69 bucks. It is fully funded but still taking orders for the 69 dollar phone And it's only 3.6 inches long the jelly is an lte android phone with 2.45 inch display a removable battery dual slim Sim slots micro sd slot 1 gig of ram 16 gigabytes of storage total Batteries estimated to last three full days with an average use of seven days on standby, which is That's crazy. Uh jelly is not the first phone from the company called Uh unit hurts is the name of it in shanghai the jelly is expected to retail for 109 dollars when it finally hits. So, uh Weird I knew this was going to happen though. Tom. We spent the last three years going We got to be bigger. These are like phablets now We all got to have 5.5 inch screens and the new s8s need to wrap all the way around the samsung phone and Apple better have a bezel-less thing next to you know, we're always talking about bigger But that means you open up this little hole down there that says hey, remember when phones were tiny And you just keep them in your pocket and batteries didn't matter And these guys are jumping on it and apparently people want one. I kind of want one. They're cool Well, yeah, I mean it's it's always what's different, right? And we're so used to seeing bigger and bigger phones that somebody coming out with a tiny phone Catches our eye because that's different people aren't doing that anymore. Really. This is a developing market phone It's inexpensive relatively It's not super cheap when you when you think about it, but but for you know our western eyes It seems crazy inexpensive and it's got dual sim and removable battery and and and yet is full android It's not a limited phone It's not going to be heavy in its use. It's only got a gig of ram for goodness sake But you know for this kind of phone that's not bad at all It's about the size of a of a business card for those wondering what we're talking about here It's really really tiny and if you just want a phone to do some basic calls, but can also I mean it's lte It can do some browsing Seven days of standby that's my eye on this thing for 60 bucks Which is what you'll pay now if you do Kickstarter support versus 109 a retail That seems like a steal just to get a battery the last seven days All those people who are on tiny house hunters on fyi network Totally going to do this Takes up less space in their tiny homes perfect The ibm watson ai x prize will see 147 teams from 22 countries compete for five million dollars over the next four years For the first time in an x prize the goal is open So the teams can solve any issue they want They're only limited by what domains So they want them to solve problems either in health and wellness civil society space and exploration or energy and resources teams have until the beginning of september to show evidence that their plans will work And then a panel of experts will determine which teams will get to move on to the next round Which happens in january and at the end of all this in 2020 three finalists will present their work at ted And everyone in the audience and everyone watching online will be able to vote The eventual winner gets three million dollars second place gets a million dollars third place gets 500 thousand dollars There are also 10 $500,000 milestone prizes prizes to be awarded throughout the four years So anything you want within the domains get your ai's going Yeah health and wellness and civil society. I'll bet get the most attention Um, I don't know why just think that's the practical place to hit the Put the rubber to the road sort of um, but I love this stuff. I love DARPA challenges. I love um contests where real science happens and real innovation sometimes happens and 10 years from now we're using products and devices and technology that came out of a One of these or mit ran something or whatever. I love that kind of thing So Who knows it may be 2020 that all our big ai breakthroughs finally happen and it may be on a ted stage All right, a couple earnings happening right now Tesla reported a loss of a dollar 33 per share versus a loss of 81 cents a share that was expected Revenue of 2.7 billion beating expectation at 2.62 billion That none of that is surprising the loss even though it's bigger is is not surprising In the letter to shareholders tesla said that preparations at its production facilities are on track to support the ramp up Of model 3 production to 5,000 vehicles a week at some point in 2017 10,000 vehicles a week in 2018 That's what everybody's focused on if you're a tesla shareholder is when does that model 3 production really go And do they follow up on those deposits and sell a bunch of these that's when their earnings are really going to start to take off Facebook also reporting earnings per share of a dollar four Roy Reuters consensus was 87 cents. So they beat earnings per share expectations 8.03 billion roundly beating expectations of 7.84 billion And everybody always wants to see the monthly active users This is one of the reasons I didn't say facebook has this much of the population earlier because guess what? We got new monthly active user count of 1.94 billion They only expect of 1.91 billion So that's I don't know. What's the population of earth right now? Is it eight or nine billion? But it's Close to eight. I think is it yeah, it's 25 of the world uses facebook every month. That's that's insane I don't know why there's not a video of a murder every day. That's horrible to say But you know what I mean like there's well. Yeah, just just on percentage chance, right? Yeah daily active users are 1.28 billion It was 1.26 billion expected. I'm sure there'll be more details coming out of these earnings Once they do their earnings call, but Looks like a very positive Earnings report for facebook. Yeah. Hey folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Although today was around seven minutes, but it's usually around five minutes subscribe to daily tech headlines.com You can get it on your amazon echo and you can get it on the anchor app. Go check it out Like we mentioned hulu launched its live tv service wednesday offering more than 50 channels for 40 dollars a month No tiers that's one of their big advantages. It's fairly simple. You pay us 40 bucks. You get the channels all the channels We got they're yours The way they're differentiating pricing though is interesting So remember hulu also has an eight dollar a month tier for for hulu users with commercials Any 12 dollar a month tier without commercials? Well That is the difference on the live tv you get live tv for 40 dollars a month But all the back catalog hulu stuff that already existed has commercials You pay 44 dollars a month and you get that commercial free library Um, so so think of it this way. It's a 32 dollar extra charge over your existing hulu subscription Uh, they also announced that scripts network was adding their channels to the service Today so at the last minute hg tv travel food those channels arrived There were also a lot of channels from abc disney all the espns espn one two news you all of those the ocho was not in there, but all the rest CBS is on there fox fxx all of those are on there mbc with sci-fi and bravo there on there There's also a cloud dvr that can hold up to 50 hours of programming And here's again where the differential pricing comes in if you want 200 hours of programming on your cloud dvr You can pay 15 dollars a month You get two simultaneous streams if you want more you want unlimited simultaneous streams You got a family of six and they all want to watch hulu live at the same time Pay 15 dollars a month and you can get unlimited streams if you want both the 200 hours of programming and the unlimited stream It's 20 dollars a month extra Redesigned app comes along with the news service. That's already there for xbox one apple tv android and chromecast If you're an ios user You have to go download a new app called hulu with live tv I'm not it's unclear why on ios They had to come with a new app because it is really nice like on the apple tv I just launched the normal hulu app and boom. I've got hulu live as soon as I'd subscribed If you're roku user or an amazon fire tv user or samsung's fire tv user, they say they have apps coming for those they're not out yet and No word on web access. I would like to use this in my browser. They didn't say anything about that The only other thing they did say is that handmaid's tail has been renewed for a season two Oh, that's awesome. I didn't know that that's just now airing So they're doing that episode by episode. I think every week Yeah, they've released like two or three at the first week and then yeah, they're rolling them out every week on my list I haven't gotten around to it, but um It's really interesting right now. We have four or five Five if you count youtube's limited, uh, you know access for youtube tv But we have these choices now that Are pretty feature-filled in terms of what's available channel wise There's some differences like no amc on hulu, but I do have amc on playstation view and You know, there's other differences you talk this morning on the tms segment that we do on there with you every wednesday about Caviots and every choice every single one of these options has some kind of thing you're either giving up or benefiting from and There are there are times when I look at this new landscape and think well, this is amazing We now have a lot of variety of where I can get this from one of them from A company by all intents and purposes who makes my video game life better with sony And I know they do a lot more, but the point is that it feels like I know it's a playstation view It's literally tied to the playstation brand And well, but but and I know you didn't mean this but a lot of people are going to hear that Oh, I need a playstation. That's one of their downfalls is you don't right. You can get this on apple tv or roku Uh, you can't get it on the xbox. That's about they've been a they have done a I'll say it outright because as much as I love it, they've done a terrible job Communicating that to people just don't know and part of it. Maybe is you can't if it's called playstation view. It just Throws you off. It's like saying here's the iphone Whatever software Oh, you don't need an iphone to run it. Well, then don't put iphone in the name like it's it's weird But then again, I understand why they're trying to use their brand to blow it up and not have it Just be called sony view sony view sounds like a new tv And I don't really i'm looking for a new tv. So they've got braining problems, but it's a great service has been for me It has the most of what I want in there You noted that pretty much none of these guys have um viacom service except for the deals that they struck with Uh, direct tv and who's the other one? I don't think they have a deal with direct tv. Oh, I thought they did. Nope. Who is it? Who's got the viacom stuff? Nobody Who nobody oh Okay, well, then that's even there's some there's some back catalog stuff on hulu, but not live I thought somebody had a deal Somebody I don't know who that is and why I thought that but anyway the point is uh Now we have all these choices and they are definitely choices that are not The old choices which was very limited low the old choices were do you want 20 channels? You want you don't really want or you want 100 channels? You don't really want or do you want 300 channels? You don't really want and should you add showtime and hbo to this thing now We've got a lot of weird diversity and some of them let you add on services and some of them tie in To to what their old stuff was like this hulu app except not on the web weirdly So there's In some ways I feel like I'm getting a bunch of new choice But I feel like I'm also losing something and I don't know how to articulate it I don't know how to explain it, but it feels like something's missing and maybe it's just that age old It's never gonna happen Let me use it like a buffet and only get what I want and pay for what I use Because that's never going to get licensed. It's never going to happen that way and maybe Maybe because we're just sort of back to five limited cable Internet-based cable solutions because that's what these are. That's really what they are You know what? I take it back via com channels are on direct tv now. Oh, that's what I was saying That's the one I'd heard but there's no dvr on direct tv now. So I guess that's where I was confused Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah, you were right about that I wasn't going crazy there, but anyway the point is like Do you know what I mean? No, like we've now got like four or five choices for what are essentially cable packages. They're a little bit less money They work over the internet. So yeah, you've you've I hate to cut you off But you've you've said this before like something's missing Uh, and I feel bad you have more choices than you've ever had before for more different services What is it that you wish you had? Yeah, is it that you wish you could get a la carte? I mean that seems to be the most obvious thing is Nobody I mean sling likes to pretend like they're doing a la carte, but even them it's packages at five dollars They give you more control over what channels you get, but it's still not all a cart Right, you can't go to any of these services and say I want to watch these shows What do I need to subscribe to and I just want those channels? Well, right and that's Going back to a little bit of what I was saying before That is what I want. I think that's what most of us want But I think I'm realistic to the point where I I don't think it's ever gonna happen. It's just too hard There are too many people involved You know, NBC owns a bunch of these NBC universal owns a bunch of these channels and buy a common Okay, I actually think it could happen Now because because follow let's think this through What happened was the network said well, we're not going to put our stuff online ever Right, we want to get the money out of cable And then youtube came along and they said fine We'll do hulu and we'll put old episodes and they struggled with like what's going to be 28 weeks to 28 days old episodes Well, no, maybe it'll be recent episodes and eventually they started putting day after became standardized like the day after air It shows up on hulu then all of a sudden Well, there's some there's a lot of cord cutters, especially in that millennial audience Maybe we should allow some folks to do an online streaming package and there was tons of resistance And then sling tv broke through and was able to do it playstation view followed along And at first they weren't able to get all the networks on board and at first they had Way worse restrictions. They still have weird restrictions on on when you can fast forward and what shows show up But that's getting easier and easier as more of these people come into the audience right now We're at the point where the networks are saying well But we still wanted to to be mostly like cable because that's what we're comfortable with and we we want to You know people to see the live stream and capture the the the commercials But you have netflix Netflix started doing original programming because they couldn't get all of the programming They wanted out of the providers that existed so they started making their own and you have twitter Who's now going to start doing live video news? And says hey, we're going to have news and sports. Don't want to subscribe to a package. We got news and sports I can see a scenario Where all of a sudden these packages Start to say Well, maybe we'll let you exclude some people right the networks that don't have enough weight behind them We'll let you we'll let you pay for a thinner package or Even more likely the networks start to offer a standalone version We've already seen it with the premium networks because they don't have advertisers to worry about so stars HBO showtime they've all gone directly to you the next step is to see somebody else besides cbs Which has already done this Come straight to you eventually it may be A decision between do I want to have a package that gives me a pass to a bunch of networks for simplicity's sake Or do I really want to go a la carte and subscribe to each network that I want? Here's here's what I would like because I don't I don't disagree with anything you said And maybe it does come around to something that's closer to that vision right now I feel almost impossible given licensing and everybody wanted to have their own app and Call it whatever the name of the station is plus the word go at the end and Or now or whatever, but that is all a cart. That's true But it it is it isn't it isn't what I'm looking at is like here picture if you will a physical object literally that has 10 Let's call it say 10 10 round holes in it and for each one of those round holes that represents a Ability to slot in a channel sure not just to show I mean like a channel So let's say I want to go discovery mbc cbs fox all the way up to whatever my 10 are And I want to be able to have that pay for that And swap out of that anytime. I want whatever it is. I want to swap So if it's like I'm I don't need ESPN right now because I don't really care about offseason Uh when we're not in baseball, so pull espion out of there Yeah, I got you you want to pay you want to pick and choose which channels go in the 10 slots Yeah, but always have the 10 slots and maybe they can sell me a 10 or 20 cancel a slot swap it out with something else Right, but keep me at 10s Well, even if I'm not using all my 10 you're still paying for them, right? But so it's on me to use them to their highest degree Let's sell a 10 20 30 40 whatever slot for me to put more in if I want more Um And let me pay for that and let me have control over what I can fit in there at any given time Like a hard drive and video games if I don't want to install everything I'll keep 10 games and you have that right now It doesn't have all the channels you want, but it's called amazon prime Yeah, that's true amazon prime is amazon and also stars and showtime And some other acorn things like that that are that are less well known But amazon is trying to do that. They're trying to be that Uh hulu also can add showtime Uh, you could also argue that apple tv is trying to do that with its tv app Where it says hey cbsl access hulu netflix hbo now they're all available in the tv app You decide how you can have as many slots as you want. We're not going to limit you to 10 You decide which ones you want to have subscribed to and then we will put them up here You can even have them build through apple and then all the billing happens on one bill But you have to the problem is you have to then Come up with a price that isn't a small fortune for that kind of choice Well, the price the price will have to to work out, right? Uh, and so that's why these bundled apps are coming because they allow Uh, they they allow some some some Crossover people who are used to paying that one fee But if the prices shake out and it's like yeah, okay hbo now Maybe hbo lowers their price and then and then cbs is seven dollars and mbc comes with one That's five dollars It could end up being 40 dollars to get the channels you want and then maybe it's 35 Maybe it's less and then you just buy certain shows that you don't need to see the minute they air Do you think it gets let's let's say we get to that that feels ideal to me? Let's say we get to that what is to Make people like stars care because right now stars would benefit. They don't even I can't even buy American gods on itunes or amazon you can buy american gods right now for 899 a month Which is cheaper than it would be if you bought a pass and you can watch it earlier in the day Then it even airs on stars and you can add it to amazon. What are you complaining about stars for? Totally right, but I can I can only do that independent of all of the other shite. I'm paying for So you can do it on amazon. It would be right in with the amazon shite. You're paying for Right, but then I do I'm not gonna get here's what I here's what I let me guess here's what I think is bugging you Is that the marketplace has not matured? Yeah, and so it's not easy to look at it and go all right These are the main services. These are the differences between them and I can pick one Right now there's well some of these things are like cable and some of these things are like amazon But they don't have all the channels and then there's netflix, which is off on its own Uh, and so it's confusing and it starts to make your head hurt if you're trying to wrap your head Around all of it But it's not going to be like that forever because the momentum of the marketplace is more of these services coming in More of them competing and we'll start to see which of these models Are the ones that are working and we'll start to see the services change to capture more audience and In a few years it will collapse into something that'll make more sense. I think I think that you're probably right I'm a little impatient about it. I will say this though You made the comment today on tms that of all the services you've sampled and you did mess with hulu today Kind of see what was up with that You felt like playstation view was still Again depending on people's channel preferences was still maybe the best package Uh, that's available right now um thing I didn't ask you this morning is do you think any of these others is more poised than another to To do that for people. Do you think the do you think if I had to run through it, uh, youtube's big advantage is the Solidity of the service And and and that that could prove to be a big advantage Hulu's advantage is is that they actually have the biggest back catalog and the easiest way of finding shows So if they could just add some more channel channels to their live lineup, they they might get the upper hand Uh playstation view is is probably limited by its dvr 28 day So they might need to change that because that's where youtube's unlimited dvr or h or hulu's 50 to 200 hours comes in Sling tv just needs to play catch up their advantage right now is control You can keep your bill lower With sling because you can drop packages and go to a cheaper base package than any of the others Uh direct tv now is the farthest behind I guess their big advantage is they have to buy a cum channels like you said Yeah, it's it's interesting, but you know what you've got more chances than ever than than than ever This this hulu things got some a little bit of convoluted stuff going on in terms of like price structure and uh what you get for what's a little confusing but uh You know, why not why not hulu? Why aren't you in this mix? You are so well, we're just getting started verizon still got one to come Direct tv now is promising to add features sling is adding features Everybody's changing features. This is far from done. So so keep an eye on it and If if you experiment and you try one, let us know what you think All the players is it just apples the only real holdout that doesn't have a You know deals with all the people that are outside of their download service that they currently have on itunes and have for years Are they the only holdout that you can think of that? What are you talking about? Well, they don't have so doesn't have any microsoft doesn't have any Yeah, that's true You're just falling for the rumor mongers who's told you for years apple was gonna get well No, that's part of it But part of it is i'm trying i was trying to think of other companies that aren't a position to do it Verizon is in a position to do it Uh, I guess comcast would be would be the one uh where they they have this but it's only for existing comcast internet subscribers Right, right. Okay. Well We'll see what happens. I mean, I think that samsung's missing the boat. They get those fridges with tv's on them So let's get going guys. Yeah, maybe they should I mean milk worked so well for them as a music service Hey, uh, thanks everybody who participates in our subreddit you can submit stories and vote on them at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com A couple messages get to james I said i'm sure someone else has pointed this out or maybe not as it was in the post show But microsoft does have an education version of windows 10 now in the post show We were talking about why didn't they name it windows 10 e or something like that instead of windows 10 s james said the windows Version for education was called windows 10 education edition. It's what I was running on my work laptop before I retired As best I can tell it has the same feature set as windows 10 enterprise edition But it's for education volume licensing customers instead of corporate volume licensing customers Uh, yeah, I think so. I uh, I I think that uh, they could call it windows 10 e Enterprise or education. Well, that might make it sound like enterprise. Maybe that's why they don't want to call it e All right, maybe thanks james. I like the idea that maybe there's Living with the simplification and we don't need 20 versions of windows anymore. I used to hate that Victor is very excited about samsung's dex. We talked about that yesterday It's the doc that lets you use a galaxy s8 as a desktop pc But he writes and I got a very curious what you think of his email here He says there's one feature that is key to the overall usefulness of the platform and this particular doc The ability to remote desktop into firewall networks using enterprise tools like citrix and juniper network clients That would allow me to use my phone a keyboard mouse and my hotel tv as an access point into my corporate network And allow me to remote into the computer at my desk and utilize desktop tools as it is I could I expect remote into a pc running Linux or windows on an open network Say my wi-fi network at home and spawn processes which would make dex a fun tool and all But until I can use it for business purposes I don't see it as any more than a cool toy that I intend to buy to be sure Well, I'm kind of with him it is a cool toy. Um, but I I don't know every every use case is going to be different You're gonna have you know, very uh, difficult to get into or penetrate security In certain systems and how are you going to do that remotely? That isn't just some basic vpm service without getting real specific about how this thing's built So I love the idea like I use remote access all the time. I actually use google's remote desktop Through chrome the galaxy s8 has corporate clients So it doesn't feel like it would be that big of a jump For them to work with some of these apps to make dex compatible version of those corporate clients Yeah, and it's real it's a cool idea. You're on a plane to you know, Idaho and you need to Log in real quick and double check them. I mean it makes perfect sense Well, thank you scott johnson as always let folks know where else they can find what you got going on Well, if they're interested in more from me, they can certainly go over to frog pants.com That's like frog wearing pants. 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See you then This show is part of the frog pants network Get more at frog pants dot com Diamond club hopes you have enjoyed this program In our analyst supporter slack icing says he saw a PlayStation view commercial the other day In an nba game where they acknowledged in the commercial that you don't need a play station to get the service Oh, so it's fun. They're finally doing it. Yeah, I was gonna say it's about freaking time It's good G peg was asking is like why can't netflix be like direct tv now? Because why can't hbo be like direct tv now? I see netflix as a competitor to hbo and stars not a competitor to YouTube and yeah, either the analog for h or the analog for netflix has always been hbo I felt a real well always but since they started doing, you know quality original. They're basically a channel Yeah, I mean they could I'm not saying they couldn't but that's that's that's not where they're taking their business I mean in many ways you don't hear this said a lot. Maybe you do I don't but in many ways netflix kind of Kind of like came in and out hbo'd out hbo in a lot of ways They've got way more archival content. That's not their own. It's all licensed content just like hbo does but way more of it And their original programming is certainly getting to a place where you could you know, you could say it's You know on par with what everything hbo's doing outside of maybe game of thrones or some other bigger stuff But you know, I think volume wise they are but they are a bigger hbo than hbo is But stars they want to so bad and i'm not sure they've earned it, but we'll see Well stars and showtime are making their big plays with american gods and twin peaks The stars owned by showtime. Nope that works. Okay. It used to be um I don't know what they were from from satellite. No I remember seeing them a long time when they first started titles Over not so be way. No stars is owned by the lions gate Oh, really? Yep. Not weird. Yeah It says canadian uh Uber not so be so be way Am I reading that right? I don't know if you can't if put it this way roger you have uh, Sensorial rights if you doesn't make any sense Well, um jelly of someone else's phone Go trusting bueno. I'm just got it Not so bueno Sorry go ahead Uh trusting google for the most part in parentheses a new hula hoop We chat like a hoop to jump through I guess Yes We chat is all is for all the things The auto guy knows way mo than he leads. I think we've done the way mo before I'm sorry. I had to vote for way mo way larry and way curly. I had to I know it's not gonna make it Well, you it's up to you Don't make me do it The more I think about it Keep keep thinking keep voting on the titles the more I think about it I think your opposition scott is probably an opposition a lot of people have which is No, I thought this was gonna make things easier not more complicated That's probably all it is and it's and I'm smart enough to navigate it. It's just that It takes a lot of energy. It's hard to compare Yeah, these these these things don't compare very nicely to each other No, and to do it, you got to you know sign up for a bunch of things you maybe didn't want to and you got to try looking at charts Your emails out in the wild. I don't know it's weird graphs I don't know your recommendation of view was a good one I mean tom is obviously he's providing a professional service on the show So people when they hear recommendations like that that's good like we're doing a we're doing a subservice here by Giving people recommendations that aren't biased or paid for anything like that And I really do like playstation view. So it's not that I wouldn't like these other services. I probably might but I I'm more comfortable just sticking with this for now, you know Plus they're using my paypal, which I kind of like I'm gonna go with a new hulu hoop for the title I'm good with that I like no more tiers because it plays on the old ozzy song, but it's also an ozzy song. So probably not, but No more tiers. I get it. Yeah. Yeah Except they have different they have a different kind of tier Could we chat? I know this sounds like talk from 2006, but I just want to throw this out Could we access your friendster list? Yeah No, could they I think they could have done this in 2008 because this was the hot thing to try to do like firefox phones and all that They could be their own if they're doing all those things for people they could be the os on a really inexpensive phone You know what I mean? Yeah, this is kind of what everybody thought facebook was going to go, right? For the longest time I think we chat is happy to not mess with that And just be like, you know what we kind of are as it is So why would we bother screwed with a good thing? I think you're right But it's an it I feel like if you to ask them that back 10 years ago, they may have had a different answer Well, because there's a lot of overhead and trouble that comes with being the operating system and we chat avoids all that Yeah Whatever happened to the fire phone firefox phones that all died, right? Yeah, they they pulled the phased them out The problem is maintaining an os and keeping up with the updates and stuff is a very Time energy, you know expensive task And if you're not geared for that or you're like amazon, you're doing a bajillion of other things You know You kind of want to figure out is it worth doing and if you're doing it. Why are you doing it? No? Yeah, yeah I mean if you just want something because you you we want to play to your bit companies ego and have An amazon branded, you know os or you know, wemo brand phone, right? Usually it's because you want to control the relationship, right? So the one thing we chat can't do is Entirely control the relationship because whatever has the underlying os Can do things that change their business materially Um and and affect how they access their customers. So it's a control thing. I think but it's Man, it's a lot of work You know and it's interesting because amazon's kind of going was going at it and kind of the reverse of what apple did Which was apple created the hardware then they create tacked on the service that would feed the hardware And eventually they out they they grew the rest of their Online offerings that way amazon already has all that online stuff now They're just trying to squeeze it back into a hardware. Yeah, but they do have fire set top boxes and stuff. So Other tablets they tried to do phones that just didn't work Phones are very fickle people are very fickle with their phones phone fickleness the eye fickle Well now the rumor is that that that crazy anniversary edition iPhone isn't going to come out until next year Uh, which is hilarious because the apple never said it would come out this year. So I could see them getting another year of traction out of the seven. It's fine It wouldn't be the tenth anniversary edition anymore though. I want that be the 11th I want that red a project red color to be a standard color. I think it's really cool. Yeah, you like that Yeah, I if I was getting a phone it bugs me that it's not You know a launch thing because why I'm I've got a two-year thing for this thing Or you know, whatever it is like I guess I could go in and replace it if they don't Do a new one this year with the yearly thing but It seems weird to have it on like off years because you either already got your phone or I don't know. That's weird to me That that thing's too cool to not have as a mainline thing They should have told me I think why they do it is to boost sales So you've got your iPhone sales at the beginning and then as the iPhone's been out for a while Sales starts to decline naturally because you know people who bought it don't need to buy it again Then you do the red which that brings up some interest You know people that maybe weren't ready to buy back here now. It's suddenly something new that they can buy So I think that's why they do it. It's a very Nintendo approach Our ds is flagging you got to make a new version No, the 3ds invented that though. Did they no, but I they're the most high profile company. I know that does it They do I'll tell you what and drug companies are the other ones that Mario Kart Eight deluxe on switch is real good Real good Remember when they came out the micro game boy? Yeah Yeah, I knew a bunch of people but it's like dude. I can barely see like anything on the screen That's what's so cool. You can barely see anything on the screen It's much worse since then I couldn't do it today doubles as my belt buckle That thing was awesome though, I have one somewhere I don't know what I still like I still have a game boy advance somewhere And that thing is one of the best because that you could because it's the one that's the sp That's backlit. So you can actually see the screen It's the best handheld they ever made Like is it has the Tremendous battery like I played I played it off and on for like three and a half hours on the flight to japan And it was great. It like it worked. You could control the volume You know the brightness wasn't even but you could see it and it was wasn't like clumsy Like very very well thought out the sp is awesome I have the nes classic version of that. So it looks like a little nes The colors and it's they just they love doing that just playing back on the old nes But they never do anything with like a rob Rob tribute. Remember the little robot? Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah, the little disc game. Yep Absolutely Yeah, mario kart 8 deluxe on switch if you like mario kart at all, it's awesome Best thing we've made. I really need to get that. It's really good tom I do like a mario kart You and you and eileen could have some good couch fun I know what he meant stop laughing Not laughing. It was snickering. Yeah Stop snickering Silence you're gaffing I haven't even been playing zelda lately. I got fallen out. We adopted this dog She takes up all my spare time dogs will do that She's your new zelda breath of the wild Breath of the kennel. Yeah, literally from the wild Horrible breath of the wild dog breath of the wild What was the comic great though? It's worth it. I make comic strips. I should make one Dog breath of the wild. Yeah. Yeah store Can't let oatmeal have all the fun today, right? Yeah Sure, you can inspire people with moving Descriptions of the human condition We could also make puns. You sure can. Oh, man. I can do it like any nobody's business I'm not quite as good as you at it, but Well, good is a questionable term I can make a it's a trap joke like the best of them. I love those I'm good because I got a new one coming up Mark Hamill made one on the force for change video. Did you watch that today? No, I missed that They did one of those that's become the new thing is to have you know, tell people they're just recording something and then have the star They're recording it about show up So the video is people Doing lines from star wars movies that involve luke skywalker and then have mark hamill walk in while they're not looking Oh, I can see that I guess. Yeah That's good. Good for him. He's a he's good for him Good for mark hamill or good for the guy All of them everyone drinks for all my what's not like he really ever faded away He just was doing other stuff other show business. Yeah, no was yoda that faded away Well, he just he faded away in the sense that he was he was no he was no Harrison Ford Yeah, he was no president of the United States fighting off terrorists on their force war His career became I do the voice of the joker on the 90s Batman series like and I show up I show up on occasion to do weird cameos or Uh, well, he did a lot. He was the trickster Yeah, I'm flash right the flash on the original on the original flash tv show Yeah, and he's on the new one doing something. Yeah, he's on the new one too Yeah, he plays the trickster, right? Which was really charlton charlton comics version of the joker just a crappier You can always do you can always tell that a company bought another comic book company bought another comic book company When there are a bunch of similar characters you scratch your head. Why are they there? Yeah All right, folks. Thanks again for watching. I hope you enjoyed the show We enjoyed giving it to you and we will be back tomorrow Which i'm gonna give it to you Give it Uptown funk