 But tell me if I had something. Okay good. Yeah after we tweeted it out. The uh, past weekend what was it I think like 12 or 13 extra points got missed all around the league and Randy had one of them but any, I think it's been lower this year like a success rate any theories on, yeah. I mean obviously there's been a lot of injuries too with kickers so it's new guys but it's you know it's just maybe one of those things and probably you know next week or two they could skyrocket again so you know I just think it was just one of those weeks where guys end up just missing it like Randy did to the right or so I mean it's just the ebb and flow it's going to happen so I wouldn't really consider it anything major. It's not something that gets your attention to the point that you say hey let's sit down and talk about this and review what we're doing in any way. For sure I mean obviously we'll talk with Randy but we're really not concerned what other people are doing as far as their kicking and stuff unless it's the opponent but yeah we sat down and talked to Randy right afterwards right when Randy came into my office on Monday we started talking about the missed extra point. So it's just one of those things where you know we just got to sit there and focus in even though it's at the end of the game and whether we're winning convincingly or not we got to go out there and do our job and make those kicks. Johnny is kind of getting into a little bit more of a groove or selling in the more he punts and I guess with Brett on the COVID list I mean he helped him knowing hey I'm the guy at least for a little bit longer. Oh for sure you know him going out there and obviously practicing is going to continue to help him out and having guys rush against him the more he kicks the more he's going to feel comfortable and you know we're looking for him to continue to improve this week too. I think we talked to you Thursday and then we saw that I guess the double punt I guess on Thursday night have you ever seen that before man obviously that's not something you can practice but what kind of conversations you have with punters in that in those situations. Yeah it's funny because two weeks prior to that Coach Vareble came into my office and we talked about a double punt and it was one of the things that he was talking with the officials about and we discussed some of the things that were happening and even if I mean this was when Brett was obviously punting for us and we talked to Brett if that were ever to happen if something you know a block or if he muffed it and he was trying to go up and pick up the first down that if he knew he wasn't going to get it just to punt the ball anyways like because it's not any good if he gets tackled short of the first down where now they get the ball there or we punt it now there would be a penalty because he crossed the line of scrimmage that's okay we'll live another day and we'll go back and punt the ball so you know it was one of the things that we discussed luckily enough two weeks prior to that so the guys had some kind of clue before that end up happening but it was funny that Vareble had brought that up a couple weeks ago before it happened. See generally pretty good Mike generally pretty good about wanting to explore every nuance of the rules. Well sure yeah I mean I think that's part of our jobs as coaches and obviously Mike is in tune with every aspect offense defense and special teams so you know he'll come in there and throw ideas out all the time at us and we'll do the same thing with him but you know that's always good that coach Vareble is heavily involved in everything and we enjoy that as special teams coaches because the players understand how important it is and when coach Vareble brings up an idea or a rule and things like that they understand how important it is to him. What kind of factors go into deciding whether you want to touch back or whether you want to make the other team return a kickoff? Yeah that's a great question there's a few things about that you know obviously you're going to look at who the returner is you know if it's a dangerous guy like Jamal Agnew you know or even Mackenzie the guy here with Buffalo you're going to look into a bunch of different factors can this guy bring it out five six seven deep do we want him to bring it out because he is so dangerous or do we want to try to gain some type of field position tackle guys inside the 20 yard line to help our defense create some momentum things like that so there's a bunch of different factors that we look at each week when we play a different opponent. So having him catch it like outside the end zone gives you a better chance to tackle maybe because he doesn't get up as much ahead of speed? Yeah I mean there's certain things that we look at you know if we want to hit it deep into the end zone and we know a guy is going to bring it out that's great because that gives us more time to go down there and cover it or do we bloop it up get it to the five six seven eight nine yard line things like that where now it kind of helps us out because the guys in the front line that are blocking on kickoff return their depth can change of where they block people and if they still go and get their depth now the returner gets really close to those guys that are blocking so it changes and that's just something that we look at every single week and you know when also has a factor in that too but yeah it's always interesting we try to find different ways to create momentum or to keep momentum if you want to say or a touchdown and kickoff to try to tackle guys inside the twenty Your return team all kickoff there's so many touch backs that are accumulating for you guys does it get frustrating? Extremely frustrating you know and right now obviously stat wise for us we're not very good on kickoff return and our guys are itching you know to go out there and try to prove themselves a little bit more and same thing with us coaches we want to get an opportunity to go out there and try to improve on something that we feel like we haven't been doing very well so I know the last two weeks the guys have wanting to go out there and return some but we're going to be smart about things and we've got to make sure that we take advantage of any opportunity that happens for us whether it's a short kick or a low kick that doesn't have any hang time we want to try to take advantage of it so it's just one of those things that happen but we're not going to be reckless and take one eight nine deep out of the end zone do you find yourself like having to tell them hey let's make sure that I know you want to get out there and do it but let's make sure that you know yeah we do but it's good for us to have a guy who wants to go out and return things you know we don't want a guy that's going to go out there and play scared and you know take a knee you know when it's one deep in the end zone we want a guy who wants to be aggressive but we also got to remind him listen this is a game of field position we've got to be smart in everything that we do you said stat wise you're not very good at it is there another way in which you think you are good at it? I mean I would like to say we don't look at stats but you know it was just one of those things what else are you trying to accomplish? well it's field position it is truly field position and if we you know do return one or if it's kicked deep into the end zone like three or four yards deep we've got to weigh in is okay is it good to take a touch back or do we get to the 25 yard line or do we have a chance to get it obviously past the 25 yard line so that's some of the things that we look at all the time as far as stats are concerned is it the starting field position which is what we're worried about or is it kickoff return average so that's where we just got to mix and blend and see what's going on what we want to do as far as getting our team in a best position to score points I think the only way to judge it is based on how many yards you get yeah but field position you can take out a ball nine deep in the end zone alright this is where I think kickoff return is a little bit average is a little bit skewed you can take one out nine deep and get to the 20 yard line and it's a 29 return average well does that do any good for field position no because you're actually losing five yards of field position so we don't want to get caught up in the stat why is that as far as that concerned but if we're not doing very good on kickoff return we're always looking to see if we could get the ball past the 25 yard line Bill's week obviously did you remember watching the New York City Miracle when you were a kid well Jim here's what's crazy about this is I get reminded almost about it every day because Kevin Dyson coaches my youngest son in football so it's always interesting talking to Kevin about that and you know I feel blessed that he's coaching my son right now along with a couple other coaches on our staff he's the head football coach for our younger kids but yeah I mean we go back and look at that all the time and what an unbelievable play how it was drawn up you know it was just it was awesome the way it happened for the city the franchise and things like that so yeah I'm basically reminded about it every day you got that play in the playbook I guess with your son's team you know what I got to ask Kevin about that so I don't know they're only 10 years old I don't know if they could actually pull that one off I think they're more worried about catching the ball and just trying to run up field with that