 Welcome back, time to dive into a first major conversation of former Lagos State Governor Bola Ahmed Tinuble took a major step toward his ambition of becoming Nigeria's next president by winning the All Progressives Congress presidential primary at a special convention held at Eagle Square, Abuja. Tinuble won the election by a landslide after beating the likes of former Minister of Transportation Rotimi Amici and former and vice president Yamio Shiba Joe as well as Senate President Ahmed Lawan. Now Tinuble may have emerged with a landslide, but he faces a tough electoral battle against his longtime friend Atiku Abu Bakar and a possible third-force candidate. Now to help us analyze his chances, we're joined by a guest, Simone Ubani, a public affairs analyst and Ezekiel and I took also a public affairs analyst. Gentlemen, thank you very much for your time. Let's start off with your initial reaction to the emergence of Bola Ahmed Tinuble as the flagbearer of the APC. Any surprises there? I'll start with you, Mr. Ubani. Well, there are no surprises as such. Since they used what they called the negator process for the emergence of their flagbearer, if they are choosing consensus, which was their initial plan, which was resisted by some of the forces in the APC, including the governors of the United Nations. That actually won't lead to the emergence of Bola Tinuble consensus. The initial reaction of those who opposed Lawan at Kornawa was announced by the party's chairperson and they wanted probably to test the ground waters and they caught resistance and vehement resistance and that's why they now eventually had to go for the negator election. If you look at that particular process, the names of those as parents were not even on any ballot box. There was no... If people use their bio to write names, meaning these guys were not even ready for any electoral process. There was no issue of the democratic process being employed. They wanted to just impose somebody by way of consensus, but the electoral act was actually one of their debate because the electoral act specified what amounts to consensus. All the parties must agree and they write it to withdraw, for the person that blame them as a consensus candidate and when that did not happen, they had no other choice than to now already arrange that process that took place. Of course, before that, the permutation was that if they go into any electoral process by way of voting, Bola Tinuble had actually had all the governors in the Northern region on his side and actually traverse several other states outside the Northern region in order to get the requisite vote and then, of course, it has been pocketed like an article and those were the factors that actually worked in his favor. It was because they allowed the democratic process to take place. If it was by issue of consensus and with the one they had to use, he had no chance and he himself also acknowledged the fact when he won that he never expected to win because he was not within their contemplation. That led to their boss and boss, you know, who stayed, you know, at that time because he knew the handwriting on the wall was, he was not favoring. But let's also look at some of the consents, especially, I mean, during the primaries, you funded that at the time where you had the likes of the vice president coming out to give a speech. He seemed to have the acceptance of the people, chairing him, you know, and hailing him at all points and, you know, going on to say they love it. But on the other hand, some persons feel very displeased with the result as, you know, it feels like there were a lot of hopes and anticipation that the vice president would clinch onto the ticket. The truth of the matter is that if the euro has wanted the best, you know, from their stock in order to emerge as the president of this country, the best person in my own view, the personal view is CMEO Sibato. Yeah, someone we say you have been with the president for the past eight almost seven years now. Now, those ideas he was formulate, all those things he was saying, why didn't he act when he learned so that the, that you don't dream, you know, all of us are dreaming of the reality because he said many things in his speech. But the point is that if you find out what happened within the presidency and then within the vice presidency of Sibato, he was never allowed to break fully in his full capacity. It would be a different program entirely if it's clearly in charge of the affairs of this nation. So if the euro bus had wanted the best, that would actually change the question of this country in terms of having a technocrat that can run Nigeria and remove Nigeria for where we are presently the best candidate, you know, from the euro bus stop. And that is the truth is the person of Mio Sibato. No, but just before we, I mean, just before we have a Zika to come in now, share his thoughts, you are saying that if the euro bus were talking about a region now wanted or would want the best for Nigeria, then they would have gone for a different candidate. But the delegates, it's not just limited, you know, to a certain region. It cuts across the entire state of the federation, as long as you have the APC. That is a very intelligent question. The point is that the ruling class, the elite, that have always held this country hostage will not allow the best imagine this nation, unless there is a radical, you know, turn of events, you know, from the from the populace, the electorate, who will now have the opportunity in 2023 to decide the fate of this country. The delegates who have been delegated by the government and they have polluted so much, you know, from the system and they want the status quo to remain because the status quo prevails there. But the majority of Nigerians are not enjoying the resources of the country. They're not enjoying this country that all of us know it clearly next. So those guys who want the status quo to continue, that is what they did. You could see, you know, that they have actually put off the delegates. The delegates were not interested with their peers of nation. What they're interested in is one in their pocket. And of course, the directive of their helpers who have told them who should emerge as the winner. And so the reality is, as I'm saying, as I'm speaking today, if Nigerians want a break from the status quo, then we have it in the person of Yemio Shibatio and we have it in the person of Pito B. These are the kind of people that can change their peers of this nation. Is they also talk about restructuring Nigeria and they have any kind of leadership in them? You know, look at their decision, look at their personality, look at their knowledge, look at their worldview, look at their competence, look at their, you know, their qualification. These are the kind of person that can be able to turn around Nigeria. Pito B and Yemio Shibat. For the newly class who have monopolised our... Since 1999, we've never allowed a status quo to be changed. It's an unfortunate thing, but Nigerians can change that situation at the ballot box in 2023, if they so desire, if they so desire. We'll get to that point. Is it going to be coming over to you before we delve into the issues of the chances of attainable? Please, for me to look at still the roster of the other aspirants. This has been, and even from where the conversation has gone this morning, a tartar as a race between PYONBAT. But we can see that from the figures, the results, a certain CRA came second, you know. One person who was a member of the APC and now the PDP, Sheo Sani, Senator, formally representing the Goodwill of Kaduna, he said that if Buhari had a wild card, if he had to pick one person, that it would have been Mechi. Do you think this is the case? And are you surprised that he came second? Yeah, you see, talking about being politically serving, Mechi is a political strategist again. A lot of times people credit Buhari coming to Jagaban, you know, being instrumental. I'm not sure I quite agree with that. The first thing that just turned the whole thing around in 2015, I believe, was Mr. Rotimi Amechi. When Amechi pulled out of PDP and took five governors along, he drove a death nail into PDP. And it was the beginning of the end of PDP. For me, it was Rotimi Amechi. When you have a man who understands dynamics, the same Amechi looking forward knew one, two, three things to do that will get the heart of Mr. President. He understood that he's a man that does not forget favours, which was why during the dying minutes, the name of President, former President, Good Lord Jonathan Zarek, commented upon. Number two, he knew that Mr. President had a soft spot for. Let me hit it direct. His brothers are across the boundary, Niger, and Amechi carried on this railway project to Niger as if his life depended on it. And he knew that that would be a soft spot for Mr. President, who would want, and it's like, let me not say that the project was delayed or stalled or something, it could have been lack of funds, it could have been a strategy. If it was completed, it was completed. Then if it was not completed, it was likely, for Mr. President being who he is or is understood to be, that he would say, this man that started this project, let me make him because once he becomes President, he will complete that project. Mr. Amechi, I see him as a strategist. While he was doing that, he was working the numbers as well. You know, so all put together, he did not have a good hold on the governors, not being a governor himself. Former governor and present governor, they are two different things. The former governors don't have too much love for the, or the present governors generally don't seem to have too much love for the former governors. So that governor bit wasn't there for him. So what he did was to identify with certain political bases. And at the end of the day, you can see the performance, contrast that with our Professor Uchiba and Joe. You know, he had no constituency politically. And he did not have that ex-factor with Mr. President. So I didn't really see him as someone that Mr. President was anything to write him about as concerning because during the time that he was Vice President, I really tried to look at the body language. If not that he was a wise man that just stayed loyal, he would have been as inconsequential as anything because the presidency didn't show me as a person that, oh, they saw him as like their poster boy of some sort. So all considered, one is politically speaking, Jagaban was a master of the game. Emotionally or sentimentally speaking, Rotimiha Metri was better. In terms of capacity and performance, yes, Professor Uchiba and Joe stands head and shoulders above in my rating. But do they really care about performance? Look at the seven years that they've had those already. Is it proven and based? No, in my opinion. OK. Ezekiel Nyaituk, we'd like to bring to this point Chris Wokobia, who is the convener of the Nigeria First Movement. Chris Wokobia, thank you for your time. Are you there, please? All right, while we're trying to get to hear from Chris Wokobia, back to you, Ezekiel Nyaituk. The PDP, People's Democratic Party went north and the APC has gone south. Have they made the right political move? OK, I'll tell you this as fast as possible. The younger people will not know about carburetor. In cars, if you're one of us that never had a new car, we always had cucumbers. So we understood about carburetor very well. Your car will not move unless the fuel is able to go through the carburetor properly and the combustion and all that. So there were people that were specialists at carburetor. Now, a man long after carburetor had given way to injector, who was not in tune with the times, looking for a fantastic mechanic, wait for that man that was a specialist in carburetor. Unfortunately, cars no longer use carburetor. APC and PDP are carburetor specialists in economic management. So leave them. They'll keep looking for that mechanic that understands carburetor. Nigeria has moved to injector. So as long as you keep having this conversation of APC, PDP, APC, PDP, you are looking for the best carburetor mechanics. Nigeria has moved on. That is why a lot of times I'm not too patient with all this talking about PDP, APC, PDP, APC. I want to talk about Nigeria. Let's have Mando Barney now. And he's also still with us on the show. And let's share his thoughts. We'll definitely get back to you. Mando Barney. I'm here, I'm here. Is it about the carburetor? Is it about the carburetor example? No, we're going to move away from the carburetor. Maybe we'll look at the capacity of internal carburetor and what will happen if one or two goes wrong. But let's come to this point now. A lot of people as much as some persons will not agree that the former governor of Lagos State has really been very instrumental to having the party, being what it is in terms of contributing and ensuring that the party has the structure and what it is today. That's the APC. But at this point, do you see fractions with him emerging as the presidential flag bearer? Do you see factions? Do you see fracas? Do you see bickering with this outcome? I am not God. I'm here to hear any of those who lost saying anything to the contrary, that they're not part of APC or they are pulling part of APC. Even though somebody sent me a video that is trending, where Lawan and some of the Northern Governors visited that video. I don't know how correct or how correct that video is. Somebody sent it to me this morning, saying that immediately after the election, emergence of Bola Chilobu, Lawan, who is the current Senate president and some of the Northern Governors paid the visit to Attico. I don't know how true that is. So I had seen my youth release show. This is a recent video, or an old one. So it's important we really verify it. And so some people are now with this theory that probably they have allowed a South and an independent of Bola to emerge. That at the end of it all, that the Northerners will likely emigrate towards Attico, who happens to be a Northerner and all the full enemy. That again is something we need to really look at. And then decipher from the days and months ahead, towards 2023. We don't know whether there's gonna be any fractionalization in a PC as a result of the emergence of Mr. Bola Chilobu. But Bola Chilobu himself has to actually mend fences. And that is the truth of the matter. Now that he has a match, he has to reach out to every of those he has found, even those who went against him. But he said, a statement yesterday, saying I'm forgiving and I'm angry that somebody came up, even making reference to the Senate president, he has to be being more thoughtful. Sometimes he talks about more. Even yesterday during his opening speech, I mean his acceptance speech, the wife and every other person, they were feeling so uncomfortable with some of the things that you were saying, and all that. Even as anywhere they could stop him. I would advise him to stick to whatever has been written down most times because he goes over all that time. So this requires that. Now that he has won, it requires everyone along for him to actually succeed in voting 23. So those who are advising him, those who are close to him should be able to advise him what to say and what not to say at this point, not to offend some of the persons, especially the sensibilities of some other regions like North and even the Southeast. It's very important. All right, back to you Ezekiel here to come. I need to ask you about the move down South for the APCS compared to the move to the North for the PDP this time, Southwest versus North East. Let's look at the personalities and the political clout of both candidates for the two major parties in the country. We're not saying by any stretch that this is going to be a two-horse race. That's for you, our analysts to say, and Nigerians also to determine. But at this point, it's APC PDP that are the two leading parties. Is Bolatynbu the right candidate for the all-progressive Congress? Looking at the clout that he possesses compared to the clout politically and the history and pedigree of Atiku Abu Bakar. He is one of the best carburetor mechanics. So for the APC, he is the best person they could pick. But I will say this and it's important that we alert people. You know, there's a story you tell a lie so often that it starts to sound like the truth. We need to understand in informing Nigerians and the analysis, the current electoral act. In the past, usually we talk, you know, do all these election primaries. It gets into November, December. We go for Christmas. By the time you come in, it's January and February's election. So what you don't have is that time of engagement. In the current electoral act, we have six to eight months of engagement. All this issue of fixation with the two big parties, two big parties. Have you thought of Mr. Tinubu facing either, let me bring in a man that we talk about all the time, Peter Obie, or the new kids like Dumebe Kachiku for eight months engaging in intellectual discourse. Do you really see these people as being able to engage Nigerians for the next six months? We are going to do an analysis, the synthesis, the roadmap to Nigerians' blockchain technology and the rest of them. Have we really sat down and thought about it? This fixation on, we had our primaries yesterday. Nobody's even talking about it. And these are people who are coming. I know we take topics and talk about them, but you see the end of the topic is to inform Nigerians. I want you to tell Nigerians that these were going to be engaged by the intellectual and vibrancy of the likes of Peter Obie and Dumebe Kachiku for now. These are, not to talk of a man like Kwankwaso that I have so much respect for any day, any time. Let me say this very quickly and then maybe my time may be up. The first is that whatever ideas you have, if you don't find a vehicle to be on the ballot, it is voicemail. So your first strategy is how will I be on the ballot? When you are on the ballot, then you have six to eight months of engagement. That is what Peter Obie did. He moved out and got on the ballot. That is what Kwankwaso did. He moved out and got on the ballot. That is what Mr. Kachiku is. He's been a PDP person all along. He moved out and got on the ballot. These are political strategists who understand that unless you're on the ballot, whatever ideas you have is voicemail. Now we're about to get ready for round two, engagement of Nigerians. Look at the millions of youths that have always been on the social media because they had nothing to excite them. See what's happening. Peter Obie, I give him the credit, is starting to move them out. With that, get your PVC campaign. It's a strategic movement. First is, oh, I get my PVC. Second is, oh, I like the ideas. I like what's being said. Third is getting to be part of the electionary process. These carburetor mechanics are not going to be worth a topic in the days to come. All right, we still have Mondo Bani. Mondo Bani, quickly, let's get to it now. As much as we would want to, you know, stay with the current reality, but we can also take out the facts on what it is. And the question here would be, do you see a keenly contested elections between two friends in 2023, especially at the time where you have, you know, news brokering that's, broking that you have the supposed thought force or other parties that should be, should come up as thought force beginning to have some cracks at this point? I must say that I love Ezekiel's optimism and keen interest in knowing his analysis about what he's going to play out. I wish that the Nigeria of his dream is actually as a match. I mean, where money does not play so much a role in choice of our leadership. But I'm telling you this, the level of poverty has actually made everyone, most times slaves, you know, even to these carburetor mechanics, you know, because at the end of the day, what may likely, unless there is a radical spiritual change, what I mean radical, there is the entire, you know, Elsa's spirit now envelopes the Nigerian youth, put that up in North and South and say, look, enough of the status quo, we are ready now for a change unless that Elsa's spirit comes all over again. I still see that Nigerians may have recourse to the mechanic, I mean, carburetor mechanics, you know, in the light of what happened that they are at the primary level, you know, in the ABC, I had thought that the way they chaired the, the vice president, you know, when he came to make his speech, the way he was accepted, the, you know, the ovation would have actually translated it to the electoral votes, you know, but he didn't see it, maybe those guys were not actually the delegates, the delegates were silent and quiet and watching events, of course they have already made up their mind. So if we don't have such spirit of those who cheer, having the electoral value in enthroning leadership, we may have to have a recourse again to the carburetor mechanics who we want to take over the running of nature, but I just pray that Ezekiel's spirit and his analysis and his enthusiasm and of course, you know, his optimism, you know, is every, what I share, I just want a new Nigerian. I don't care where anyone comes from. That is a reality. I don't care, I don't care. The person that can move Nigeria forward now is what I'm looking for. The person that can come and be on the saddles and a change equation and make Nigeria to be one of the best countries in the world is what Obandi is looking for and what majority of the young ones in this country are looking for. You know, we're not looking for those who will come and play politics. The normal politics of, you know, taking over Nigeria for their personal interests and for their friends and families, that is not the kind of Nigeria we can look at. And if we continue in that boat, Nigeria will explode, Nigeria will explode. Nigeria will actually be destroyed. And we cannot afford to go back to Israel, I mean, to Egypt, you know. So I hope that Ezekiel's analysis of a new Nigeria that is looking now for the injector mechanics, where an injector edge, we know that can really take over Nigeria and run Nigeria in the way Nigeria should be run. We are an inclusive governance. We are everyone who participates in making Nigeria one of the greatest countries in the world. And we have the capacity. But just before the thing comes in now, Monde-Ubani, I mean, sometimes perception is more important than facts. If you look at it. That's right. And in this particular case now, the question is, do you see a contention? Do you see having all the parties contending with this dominant ideology that a lot of Nigerians, including Yosef and Ezekiel and I, are thinking that we can get off with. I mean, we can get off with it. Especially at a time where we're already beginning to hear that there might just be some kind of trouble in this political party. We're talking about factions now. And we know how that sits. It doesn't sit well with the political process because it ends up in having court cases and litigations. And most times you probably might not have a candidate or a flag bearer. So what are your thoughts? Or should we be looking at these elections for 2023 between two friends? Yes, it's a very complex question. As I said earlier, I am still a human being. I'm not God. I can't see future. But the one I'm seeing now is what I'm going to analyze. And the reality on ground is that article is a major contender in this race. Polatini Buddha has just a mark. The reality on ground is that he's a major contender. He has big pockets. And the level of general poverty in the country makes him very relevant. It makes also I think very relevant in the political race. Now, in the issue of ideas, I think demand that everyone now is gravitating towards his petal being. But how long are we going to sustain this? Is what, you know, is left in the domain for the endurance. If we're going to sustain this issue of get your PVC, let us now change the status quo. And it will continue in education, in indoctrination. It makes sure that everyone is indoctrinated. And make sure that people are carried along by mobilization, that Nigeria must change. And we need a new Nigeria. If we sustain this temple for eight months that is remaining, I can assure you that may be a shift. But if we continue with the old order of money politics, I tell you that Polatini Buddha has large pockets. And they may likely be the one that will influence the political outcome. In the light of the general poverty in the ground, I'm very realistic about this. The general poverty has, even within the MBA that I belong, even within the MBA election is taking place in July. You find out that those with deep pockets are those that usually, and they are the really, the really contenders in the race that is actually playing out. Because in July, MBA is going for election to elect their president and all that. And those with big pockets are the ones who are actually making the difference. So general poverty in the land is what I am afraid of. But if Nigerians wake up from slumber and say enough, we're not interested in your money. We're not interested in a bag of rice. We're not interested in whatever you're giving us. We're interested in having a new country, all of us have been proud of. Then I can assure you that the equation we change, and Nigeria will come up with a new leader that will change the situation of things in the country. That is my prayer. That is Ezekiel's prayer. That is a prayer of many, of the majority of young ones in the country. All right, yeah, we have at this point, thank you, Mondebani. Chris and Wokopia, who is the convener of the Nigeria First Movement. Chris, are you there? Right, good morning. Good morning. Thank you very much for your time. Bolaatin Buah said in his speech, in his speech before the voting by delegates at that special convention of the All Progressives Congress, that if chosen as the candidate of the AAPC, he, as president, will replicate what he accomplished as governor of Lagos State. Tim, what are your thoughts on Tinibu's accomplishments as governor of Lagos State, and how that stands to him in good stead to be a successful president of Nigeria? All right, Tinibu, while speaking to delegates at the AAPC special convention, said that he will replicate his achievements as governor of Lagos State if elected as president of Nigeria. What are your thoughts on his achievements as governor of Lagos State, and how that stands him in good stead to be a successful president of Nigeria? Let me say very importantly that what those who are behind the Tinibu candidacy must do is to play down on that line of argument. And I say that advisedly, Lagos today, and my family is Lagos, I practically live in Lagos, I suffer between Lagos and Abuja, and I know what Lagos has become. So every so often I hear about what has been done in Lagos in about 22 years of Tinibu and his followers. I just to put it with four years of jack-on-day, and you find out that what the Nigeria would need is not so much of an idea that Lagos has become with so much resources. So I think that those who are managing Tinibu's campaign can do better by raising fundamental issues than telling us about Lagos. To travel from Suriway to the island takes you about two hours for a journey that is less than 15 minutes. To transgress the entire state that is not up to 5,000 square meters is a tragedy of sorts. So I think that the time has gone for them to package a better campaign. But let me say this, that 2023 is going to be an interesting, interesting political journey on spectacle. Because we have for the two major political parties, two heavyweights, if you like. The PDT has gone the way of an article of Uwaka who is in the 70s, and the APC has gone the way of Asu Adibola on the Tinibu who is in the 70s. And we have got out of Kansas and other parties. I think that the challenge for the soul of our country has become increasingly deaf men. And I believe that the time has come for the Nigerian people to interrogate the candidates effectively, efficiently and effectively. And it irks me. The media and indeed the people was beginning to interrogate the issues, interrogate the manifestos, and interrogate the candidates. And then we'll take it up on that. Okay. Let me bring this to you now. I mean, in the course of this conversation, we have Mondo Bani who is also on this panel, and Ezekao Yaituk. But prior before you came in with your thoughts, he's talked about the level of general poverty in Nigeria and the fact that you can't take that out. And that has really played especially at the point where we have to choose flag bearers at different political levels. So, I mean, do you see, you say 2023, it's going to be very tangible and fantastic, but do you see the same money back politics or money induced kind of politics taking the center stage? That's my fear. We all guess that one should take that reality without a competition. If you ask yourself how could the two major candidates are matched in the APC and indeed the PDP, it was a heavily divided process, a heavily monetized process. And so also will the presidential election be the two major big pockets until they're very likely to monetize the process. But what is important here, like I said, is that the masses of people must begin to interrogate the candidates and effectively so. We must ask questions about our future and the future of our children. We must interrogate them effectively. We must interrogate them profusely. We must interrogate them profoundly and locate the best of the options We must have the best of the options and see if we can deliver to our people the best of the candidates and push them the best we can. Alright, I'll come back to you, Ezekiel and Yaitouk. There have been concerns raised by some observers about the health of Bola Amitinobu. Do you think this should be an issue? Do you see this as an issue going forward? Should Nigerians be concerned? Nigerians should be concerned, very concerned. Under what we had, we lost the president, President Yaradua, late President Yaradua. He saw rest in peace. And we know how it put us in trouble in this country. And we had to come up with a doctrine of necessity. Almost immediately after him, we had President Good Lord Jonathan who enjoyed good health. He was in office. And when he left, we came back to President Abbas Buhari and we know how much time he spent outside the country. You know how we're distracted at a time that 24 hours is too short for us to get done what we need to do. We had the time reduced to 12 hours. He doesn't take rocket science for you to know that it's going to get worse. Now, things have gone worse than they were in the time of President Buhari or like they are now. We're moving into the new dispensation. Lord have mercy. We need somebody who hit the road running from day one. You know, if you have a race track where maybe a relay race and the last runner has like a slow down. You want the next runner to not only catch up but move on. So you need somebody who is going to not do the normal race but is going to do an extra race so that he can catch up before he can think of winning. At a time like this, you need somebody that is going to be like firing from all cylinders. And we don't have that luxury of is he well, is he not well? Please have we no option. Let me end this mode because it's very important to me. It is that if we keep doing boxing and the competition is boxing, boxing, boxing. A time comes at that point in the world, heavy punches, reaching strength and everything. And you know that we need to bring intellectualism. So you can actually introduce a new competition called spelling. When you introduce this new competition called spelling, lots of intellectuals start to emerge and all those things. I want the media to know that this fixation on these two parties, two parties, two parties is an evil wind that will never blow this country any good. We have to go. Why don't you introduce a new dynamics of who are the paradigms that will give all the energy of our dreams? Gentlemen, we're out of time. We're out of time. Yes, yes. I mean, Bob Amitunbo said in his speech that he would not just be the president, but assemble a world-class team to work with. Maybe that might just be a way out, you know, if he... Please, we have Afshan. Thank you very much. Thank you very much for your time. Of course, Ezekiel and I took Monday with Bani and Chris and Wokobiya of the Nigeria Festival. Gentlemen, it's been a thrill having you. And we'll keep watching as the events unfold in this political season. I think there's more that will unfold as time goes on. Bani, why are you laughing? Why are you laughing? Well, very interesting indeed. We've come to the end of the road for today. Yes, so, you know, I was hoping that we had more time, but maybe we should begin to consider the issue of independent candidacy. It would be a conversation for another day here. It still won't change anything. It still will have to go through people to get to people. I mean, so you have a point where, for instance, if you throw yourself at a certain political party, because you know a certain political party will not absorb you into the system for whatever reason. And then you begin to have all of these issues. We understand that people would be there. But if you have a general acceptance, because of the independent candidacy, you don't need to begin to say you want to have structures at different parts. You just need to have general acceptance. And that might be the case, but that's the size of our conversation this morning on The Breakfast. If you missed out on any part of it, it's all right to follow us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and do subscribe to our YouTube channel at Plus TV Africa and Plus TV Africa Lifestyle. I am Messi Bukal. Have a fantastic morning. And my name is Kofi Bartels. We'll return tomorrow up next in News at 9. Stay with us.