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It's still the break fast on plus TV Africa and right now we want to lift off The press the headlines that are making the rounds this morning We're starting with one of the national dailies nature news Nature news leads with the story state governors ready for the worst sick federal government's Intervention and the rider there is a senator Makes case for a number of golly then We have also Nigeria marks world population day pledges to promote gender equality Government bonds metal excavation of metal scavenging rather I meet security concerns Then Ben way to train farmers on new farming methods and technologies meanwhile Loomah Lou joins world leaders to mobilize climate finance for Africa Okay, we will move from nature news to the punch newspaper for other headlines Okay, we have the nation rather so we'll take the nation now the nation newspaper leads weeds Adamu's incapacitation talk Sparks row over a kill do loo Rider is on those state PDP raises dust deputy governor says I spoke with him on Sunday and Then we also have on top of that most of our being to be Okay, we may not need that No ministers least yet says APC no ministers least yet the least we've all been waiting for and speculations have gone No ministers at least yet bought up reopening plan in progress says custom CG and Finally seen it to investigate 93 trillion Naira spent on petrol subsidy in 30 months All right, we'll leave the nation right now to yet another newspaper Possibly punch newspaper right now Or the Guardian let's take the Guardian at this point the Guardian newspaper is leading without Fabio 13 senators to earn Over 5.6 billion Naira ex-governance pensions benefits So there will be in the Senate and still be earning ex-governance benefit Tenubu break silence orders arrest of plateau Benway killings masterminds Coalition sacks remain Goddus Sark Revisit the 2006 report on Kwan-Kwasew FMDQ introduces exchange traded Derived derive its market and Then we have reps tackle banks over illegal deductions Incriminate or indiscriminate charges about time separating Empowerment projects from first ladies Vanities, okay, that is a story you might want to read on the Guardian as well this morning Okay, those are not all the headlines But those are the ones we can take for now on the Guardian when you get a copy you get to read more other stories and Then the final paper this morning is the punch newspaper So on the punch newspaper some of the Headlines they are saying Nigerian students face tough times in the UK tuition source by 60% Those are some of the things because of the Naira devaluation as they say They say the writers. They are new Forex rate threatens overseas students in debtor scholars barred from classes and then parents back federal government for concession Intuition living cost climb amid Forex crisis Then we also have sec investigates or To decodes FBN share acquisition PDP governors demand a credible polls in bailsa emo and Kogi and an APC crisis Depends as omission labels look mon black sheep Interesting times Okay, panel storms or Tom's automobile workshop Impounds vehicles people who saw the videos said them the number of cars taken there were was something else Okay, well, that's the much we can take from the punch as well. There are so many headlines that we need to Talk about this morning, and I'm glad that we are being joined by a legal practitioner Here in Lagos state in the person of mr. Tunde Kola. Well a mr. Kola. Well a good morning and welcome to the program Yeah, I don't know where we're going to start and maybe we start from on those state where I Don't know if that is on those state we're starting from or that is APC. We're starting from Adam who once again has made a comment that has sparked some outreach some mixed reactions from Nigerians this time around especially from the on those state government and now so The statement was that a Kairidulu was incapacitated and that statement have has been Debunked say that statement was wrong and on the other hand they were saying that statement was taken out of context I'd like to get your thoughts on what is happening in on those state and in the APC by implication And nobody wants our light of the sick So when we are sick We should not Begin to rewrite them with you couldn't Talk to them or be happy over their predicament He's a father is a husband He's a long cool name the governor of the state Is not a people are looking forward towards him for their well-being and then for people of security and in those states and then you will realize that the wife was supposed to celebrate the 70th birthday With him this month and the wife has cancelled it because of the sickness of Of the other the truth of the matter is that there is no doubt That the Kairidulu is sick. Yeah, and even he himself has compounded He resuscitated approach for treatment and then over the reign of power to his deputy That is a confirmation That is not well the only thing That is causing this argument Is the world incapacitation Whether it goes incapacitated or not and I want to say that Senator Adam I've been said anything else for us to start Making these women cries over the governor's hand if the governor is not incapacitated If he has the capacity to do his job The problem will not have a relegated approach and for us to learn and learn to use our power to his deputy so to the extent that he has done what the constitution expects him to do That is when you are able to insert the consensus of office you hand over to your governor I don't think we should begin to make too much noise about it Rather we should be praying for the governor to look to get well soon so as to be able to get back to the job One of the reasons or one of the things provisions in the constitution for someone to seize from being a governor is when he becomes incapacitated That is the word that was used So Adam was saying these must have been interpreted by a lot of people having reached that stage where he should no longer be the governor He should be removed and replaced Maybe there is everything in terminology when it comes to interpreting constitutional matters and possibly that is what the people are kicking against So you as a lawyer as a legal practitioner should the word have been used We know he is ill Which is normal Anybody can be ill and nobody needs to know But everybody can be ill But are there some words that are more weighty because of how they are represented in the constitution I just want to learn that as well Our politicians are very mischievous people Different people of different politicians different interpretations to the word incapacitated Those who are in support of the governor will not want the word to be used because when it is used it is a kind of call not like he has ever said for the governor to be replaced We are as those who want him out of the place Hopefully we will like to stand in his shoes We will not see anything longer but we will be happy with the words that are more used The truth of the matter is that before you can declare the governor incapacitated there are a constant of provisions that must be followed You must make a complaint to the industrial state assembly The industrial assembly must set up a medical panel to examine the governor I think about seven of them and the governor's personal position must himself be part of that panel who will examine the governor and give a report that the governor is permanently incapacitated and he might not be able to return back to his work So when that happens the processes of replacing with the deputy governor will commence will commence Like the word that I have used permanently incapacitated You know As of today we don't have any the new incontrovertible medical reports that says that the governor might not get well soon and also remember that in the constitution in the civil service rules and regulations and some other instance most of them people are entitled to certain number of days for medical treatment either here in Nigeria or abroad If after accreditation those number of days between which he could be absent from his duty post on health grounds then the industrial assembly can also begin the processes of replacing him with his deputy through the composition of a medical companion that will examine the governor and report back to the House of Assembly for his replacement But like I said a lot of consumers usually go without him You remember I think it was for upper state had the plane crash that he was driving and it became incapacitated there was a lot of noise as it gets worse you could continue in office or it could not continue and no amount of control was made the tough got settled when the governor eventually in fact in his own company in his own case he didn't hand over property or it was not even the position to hand over power to his deputy before he had the accident or when he became sick so let's keep our fingers crossed Okay just another matter from that same under state saga from the under state commissioner for information and orientation Bamidili Demola he said something that struck me he said he is evidently not in any critical state that should warrant his clearly reprehensible conduct as he still sent a post to the executive council committee platform yesterday that's what the commissioner of information and orientation in under state said and my question is if a governor hands over to the deputy is he under any obligation to still send posts to the executive platform should he still be super intending over their affairs of the state we remember when president former president Muhammad Buhari was in London we were told that he was signing some things into law signing some documents in London he was taking a medical leave should that happen what would the deputy be doing who is now a governor no that is totally wrong there is no doubt about it once you abandon your man you stay away from folders discharging your duty as a governor the deputy is the de facto governor of the under state to be the old box must stop at his table but the truth of the matter is that here politicians convert power so much and they behave like gods it's achieved when they are not there the roof or heavens or cunas over the eggs we had that experience and show that when the governor has passed on but when the governor leaves office there are a hundred and a thousand others that can effectively take into their shoes and discharge the responsibilities of the office if governor Khalid Olu is still sending messages and giving directives he is concerning the loss of the land and showing this respect to the acting governor for those things well let's move from there there is this headline also this is from the Guardian newspaper aquabio 13 senators to earn over 5.6 billion Naira ex-governor's pensions and benefits let me have you take you've seen Wengar Daniel for instance saying that they should stop giving him his pensions and all that but there are other governors that are still collecting you collect from as a retired governor and then you collect from the senate as well you collect from everywhere collectible so I don't know let me have your legal comments to that please what do you look after the that many morally or legally which is you said you said it is wrong is it morally wrong or legally wrong morally and legally wrong you see when you are in when you become the senator as the former governor what is expected to do is to enact which one they would like to be taking whether they are pensions or the salaries and the movement of the senator the laws of course are envisaged that people will begin to draw the salaries of a retired governor and then the salaries and the laws and the movement of a city senator it is when they probably have met the senate and they are not only occupying any remunerated offices that they cannot begin to collect their pensions as the former governor I think one of the lawyers whose name I can remember today went to the federal high court to contest this top payment so some of these former governors and the federal high court assumes that it is unlawful for them to be handling these top salaries as the former governor and then as the senator and nobody has appealed that decision of the federal high court so to that extent I think so to that extent and that is the reason why I say it is unlawful because any decision of our court or any judgment of the court that is not over taught by supreme court becomes law which is binding not just on the governor or former governor and then the senators but or no on Nigeria it is both morally and legally wrong we don't begin to win just allow me because they are coming from the same revenues of the federation because of the revenues of the federation thank you we have this story we have this story on nature news nature news the major story there flood state governors ready for the worst seek federal government's intervention as a senator makes case for Anambra Gully as the erosion in Anambra state which is really a worrisome situation but now flood state governors ready for the worst and seek federal government's intervention I'd like your comment on that what is happening in different parts of the world with regards to trotting is very very frightening they are very frightening they have had flooding in Pakistan in India in US as on different parts of the world which points to the fact that the climate change that the society that we are talking about is real when you also look at our situation here in Nigeria we are beginning to have flooding in Abuja and some of these northern states in the past you could count the number of days that land will fall in Abuja and some of these are northern states what this indicates is that the challenge not just in some other parts of the world but right here on our thrusters so with the governor we read this in the newspaper and we do say that we do say that we are ready but I haven't seen anything to show that the governor is not ready to tackle this challenge they say they are prepared in the place like Lagos we could see that the Lagos government is a perqueting way in all the alternative gutters and the rivers within the town take roads for free flow of water when there is a heavy rain but then I am using this car it's not hard about these kind of activities take it place in some other parts of Nigeria and furthermore the countries that are preparing for this flooding they are building services they are topiling foods they are getting ready all manners of emergency evacuation program on ground to be able to help their people when frozen actually takes place I haven't seen any of that taking place in Nigeria we regard to a number in the southeast there is no doubt that they have serious challenges which regards to erosion I give you an example I was reading the paper two days ago in which there was a report that the house of the former vice president Mr. Lezekweme is gathered in Shepi way by erosion these two some of these so there are people's houses both big people so all manners of money has been voted to fight erosion in the southeast but we haven't seen any concrete result with regard to money that has been appropriated to fight that environmental disaster or tragedy or challenges so the government require to do more if they don't want us to experience the kind of thing that has happened in Pakistan in India, in Indonesia even in Japan where tens of people have been shot to where they throw water let's move on to the nation newspaper on the nation newspaper we've seen a story that was also on the headlines yesterday but I'd like your legal perspective to eat intercepted vessel destroyed in delta 250,000 million tons 150,000 tons of crude worth 86.8 million dollars a vessel was intercepted and it was destroyed with this crude inside just tell me how will these people have prosecuted in the first place if they have a very strong decision that it's not the first time or that the people have done it, have taken it's like you are destroying your own asset your goods are stolen and then you got it rather than ever put the goods and saving it so that you can make some money from there and put in the national convent you choose to burn the goods and then you also burn the vessel where you can go to court and seek another of a court for the thieves of the crude and the owners of those ships to forfeit the ship to the Nigerian civilization and then when you have gotten another forfeiture you can sell the ship and use it to kind of improve some of your losses as a nation you now burn the ship furthermore when you burn the ship with that kind of metatons of petronopoulos inside it you are causing an environmental problem environmental disaster the film that is generated the flow that will point to the transic ocean will affect the ecology of that area fishes another ocean animal and bear will be adversely affected by that decision so honestly speaking that is just a pawn with the petronopoulos inside it is another very strange and people looking at us on my blog we want to say that this is very stupid and that decision will even be a way to cover up those who are behind the theft of those crude oil products and also the owners of the ship that has been born whichever way you look at it it's not a very appropriate decision for the people who have done this to take okay FMDQ introduces exchange traded derivates market I don't even understand what that is you have an idea wait it's those who are familiar with the operations of the Nigerian stock exchange the buying and selling of stocks and also some of these federal government financial instruments that we have to explain that to us in detail you know the common investment of the Nigerian stock exchange they engage in buying and selling as everything the state government they also sell bonds they see being sell bonds which you pull by which you pull sell and then which at the end of the day there comes the money they are called financial instruments and what have you whatever the federal government has to do whatever the federal government has to do to remain to remit and mediate they bring me forties of desire and they should be welcomed whatever efforts they have to make to make sure that the inflation the hyperinflation that we have in the country today the skyrocketing of prices of goods and services is brought down and I think should be welcomed by everybody and we should support the government in that direction okay but if you ask me as a socialist I will rather want to see a situation in which our economy is not left to the battery of the minus supply to the world bank details and then to just simply market forces there is nowhere in the world that market forces the moon the timing the circumstances in the nation's economy and the Chinese have been able to prove one thing that you can have an economy totally dominated and managed by a central government and then such economy will still be doing well that it will not have the kind of inflation the kind of unemployment the kind of skyrocketing prices that we have in our hands so it is becoming a fallacy that the government lies the capacity and the necessary way are we going to manage an economy all businesses that all businesses should be left to businessmen businessmen and women alone to two China has been able to prove that that is a lie China is one of the fastest going economy today scientifically they are also one of the fastest going and yet the commanding eyes of that economy is dominated by the central government okay let's go back to the nation as the final question this morning no ministers list yet says APC remember that even some names have come out a lot of people have fingered so many other people that are going to make the ministerial list and tentatively there was this talk that the list was out now the APC is telling us that the list is not out yet we don't know when to expect it because no definite timeline has been given even though they say 60 days we have the minister's list and all that and there seem to be a delay here and there some kind of cracks here and there some kind of scrutiny here and there what do you think about the fact that at this point we are being told that the minister's list is not out not that it will not be presented yet or it has not been presented but it is not out at all by now President Nubu has the right of power to keep that test to his chest for now but we connect that he went to the moment of worry that came into power and he didn't appoint ministers for almost one year the national assembly learned some lessons from that and then the bill was taken to the national assembly which was passing to law that anybody who become president for any comment that comes to power must ensure that they appoint the ministers within six months I think of being in power with what we have in our hands today President Nubu has not exceeded that provisions of the law so to that extent he could still be he could still be thinking and then pondering an assertion whoever he was to appoint as the minister and his government we must also remember that we engage in party politics and this is the democracy people are free to lobby it's a thing that is acceptable in the democracy party leaders whether at the federal level or at the state level are also expected to join to be appointed as a minister so a lot of variables go into appointing a minister in the democratic environment not as we have in Nigeria today a lot of interest will go into it and that makes it very difficult for the president to just within a decision appoint a minister a lot of people work for me to be able to grasp the office of the president one way or the other there must be a back time like I've already said what is important is that the president must ensure that given the challenges we have in our hands it is the square peg in the square hole that he appoints as a minister he decides to do that the job will be made very very difficult for him as a president and then we undermine his success and then we undermine his ability to deliver the digital democracy thank you Tunde thank you so much that's the much we can take on of the press this morning thank you Tunde Kolaouli for coming on the show we're talking with Mr. Tunde Kolaouli legal practitioner in Lagos state and we're dealing with some of the headlines on national dailies that we were lifting up the press this morning we will take a very very short break and when we return we'll be talking about how the federal government intends to double government revenue without imposing more taxes