 Wyth ddim yn ystod o'ch cyfaint o'r plataf sydd ymlaen nhw'n gweithio'r gwahanol i ddim yn gwneud hynny. A gweithio'n gweithio'r sub-sgrain pa'r bell bydd'n ei dweud yn yr unig. Felly mae'n cyffredin iawn o gwahanol gyda'r modd gyrfa'r nydd. Mae'r gweithio'r cyffredin iawn o'r ymddangos, mae'n oeddo i'r Lysia, ac mae'r ymddangos yn cyffredin iawn o'r cyffredin iawn o'r ardal. Mae sydd gennym yn mynd i gyd â'r adnod. Ynw i'n dechrau'n gwahod. Ynw i'n dechrau'n gwahod, i ei wneud o'r gwahod. Mae'r amgylcheddau i'r ffordd. 4hwch. Mergyn i'r hoffaeth. Yn Aeonapr. Yn ymddangos i fyfyd i 4h. James, mae'n gweithio. Mae'n 41 oed a gallwn i'n gwneud i'n meddwl. Dwi'n hi'n gwneud i'n hoffaidd ac mae'n ffordd. Yn i'r llumau llwyddo o'r ffordd yn gwneud o'r hyffaith, James. I have everyone I've met in my life. Do you know the only person I could see was my mother? The day that I left Javelin's house, this is weird. Imagine this. I've left her house, I'm driving home to my marital home and as I'm two miles from her house, Javelin's rang me and gone, she knows! She knows! As I put up on my drive! Mate! The worst thing I've ever had to do is tell a woman that I'm cheating on her. That's been my line, today's guest. We've got to hand some hard things. Ha ha, my brother. How are you? Absolute pleasure man, likewise. It's so good to see you, bro. I've been watching you along. Don't think that we ain't watching James, man. I'm a big fan of your show. Love what you're doing and you're just interviewing people from all different walks of life, man. Bad boys, musicians, so the feeling's mutual, my friend. Yeah, it's an absolute pleasure. I've watched your stuff, man. 20 years in the game, you've kind of, I'm not from London, but obviously when you're from the streets yourself and you watch just kids from the street just making waves all over TV at awards, it's sexy, man. It's mental James, man. I mean, I never thought I would ever be in this position in terms of like entertainment. Everyone knew me my life. Everyone that knew me in Battersea South London, Slash Clapping Junction, they knew me as playing football, being a footballer. As a young kid I was at Chelsea and that was my whole path. That's what I thought I was going to go all the way and enjoy my life. Felly lyddi'r llwyddon yn y rhaglen. Felly ydych yn maen nhw'n Gruffydd. Maent oherwydd, dyna ni'n meddwl gwneud Abertaeth Cymrae. Rydyn ni wedi'n meddwl y gallai. Farfodd llwymaen nhw, ond rhai gyda phosfyddi. Rydyn ni'n meddwl hynny. Mae hwn yn ymchydig, Ac wedi bod yn 17 dim. Yn ymwy flynyddoedd ddim yn ysafor. Mae'r bobeth yma. Mae'n profi gyda vivunol. Mae'r 41. The world is really great. It's my first time, however, I'm new too. It's the first time. I'm so excited to see you, because I will be there for you. Maybe I'll be there tomorrow. I'm excited to see you. And I'm a bit of a surprise on this one, but I'm always excited to see you on the radio. It's like the first time I've heard you getting on the radio for the first time at Stanley. And I was like, I'm excited to get on with you. And I'm really excited to see you on the radio. I'd like to see you. It's like a great…. I'm excited to be on the radio. It's been an incredible experience that I've had in my life. The first time I was on the radio with Arthur, I've been to the studio and I've I think that thrit looks down, he is real me! Bro, they're with my family, couple of the boys are putting up their ARs so! But their fans are you. When I spoke to a couple of the Gs from Randir and that that's like family to me. I was like yeah James English is interviewing me. He's like bro we love that guy man so you've got a couple of the words coming up to me. Can't wait man! You know I'm gonna, I know you interview a lot of people and they just leave it there. But it's only right that you're in my area that I have to take you to the streets where so so they come from. Otherwise it wouldn't be offending man. Of course man, I love that shit. Nid ydych chi i'r hyn yn ystriwyd. Ie, beth sy'n gwaith yw'r gwahodd, ac mae wedi cael ei ffrindio. Beth yna'r Llywodraeth, yr SW 11, rhai'r Ffyrdd Lluwyrs Cwrt, ac mae'r Llywodraeth, oedd yn gwneud o Gymru. Mae'r Llywodraeth James yn gweithio. Mae'r ddad wedi am y ddiwrnod y mae'r drosdyn. A gyddurwyr ddim. A'r ddyn nhw'n gweithio'r mwyaf. Mae'r mwyaf wedi am Cardiff, felly mae'r ystyried yw'r mwyaf yw'n gweithio'n ymlaen. Mae'n gweithio'n gweithio'r ysbyt. Mae'r ddod yn oedd yn ddwych, a'r ddyn nhw'n gwneud ysbyt. Mae'r ddyn nhw yw'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio. He means my mum. Within a year they fall in love and I'm made out of that. My mum had me at 17 years old. My dad's sister was then living in Battersea south London so my dad's obviously come down to south London and that's where my dad's crazy legacy started. My dad's well known, my dad was very active on the streets and yeah very well known. Yeah that was a bad boy plus he was in the gladiose. And how crazy is that? I remember the first story like what was good about my dad? He kept that side of life away from me. He didn't want his son to be involved in that and he didn't glorify it. He was more focused on me being the best person that I can be honestly. I mean don't go down the route that he did. And I remember one night when I knew my dad was really serious was I think I was about six or seven and I heard there was a big altercation in south London and my dad was involved and I remember like getting in bed my mum put me in the bed and my dad's got like butterfly stitches down the side of his face but as a six seven year old you're not really thinking nothing of it and I remember like blood dripping down his face and I was thinking what the fuck's going on here and it's only when I got older I went dad what actually happened then and obviously that's when my dad obviously went to um go and deal with someone that disrespected him dealt with him but he got a butterfly across the face at the same time so that's the first time I kind of seen like I don't know violence in my home because he kept he kept that out of the home do you know what I mean? I've seen all the boys pull up all his all his firm comes to the house late at night but I'd have to go to bed wouldn't I they'd be downstairs they'd be downstairs in the front room so that's when I started to notice getting older I said now my dad's really active in this thing and then I kind of noticed the way I used to get treated when people knew that I was my dad's son um the fear the respect like you have to make sure that um this boy's looked after I was getting into nightclubs James um at 16 years old that I shouldn't have been in just because the doorman couldn't say no to me because they don't they don't want that problem with my father in the morning but um one thing I do respect him for he just didn't glorify it bro he didn't say to me like because I've lived this life you got to go down that route my dad knew that I was talented I was a talented sportsman I was a talented musician so um yeah he kept it away from me man but um obviously I knew the legacy it was nice to go to Bethnal Green he was known in south London and used to knock about in Bethnal Green too so that's how I knew about order the kind of like how did they end up in gladiators it's so mad because he was a professional um bodybuilder like the guy is so smart man do you know what I mean and that's mad james I keep it 100 me and my dad don't even talk now that's sad it's sad isn't it but it's my father so I'll still give him that respect but um he created me and that's the way it goes isn't it meaning both don't back down so that's why we don't we don't agree with certain things but he was just a talented a very talented man and a very talented athlete and I think he got a phone call to go for the gladiator trials and I remember coming in from primary school and he's going yes son I've been asked to go and do the trials and at the time do you remember wolf yeah yeah wolf was his good friend sarasen but he's all his mates I was a member of the bum jet though watch this now I'm gonna do some good story like some good story so he's gone for the trial and like within two days later he's like wow I've got it you know they're gonna formulate my character I'm gonna be bullet I'm gonna be in the same series as shadow and I'm saying that man this is a fucking joke so I remember the first weekend he took all the family down there and I'm living every kid's fucking dream first person that walks in the dressing room is John three yeah yeah so I'm like you know and um I was just that lucky kid that after they finished filming me and my cousins are just running around the gladiator set after all the fans are out just jumping over like jumping up the travel later just every kid's dream do you know what I mean and John shouting us come off the set go off the fucking set and this is where everyone's gonna hate me and you're gonna hate me for this I remember I'm a woman going in when I was a kid like oh he's so cute come and sit on my lap and she put me on her lap and he was jet remember jet yeah she was smoking that's all these are now what is that jett and phoenix do you know what I mean so I was I remember going to school literally when I walked into my primary school which is across the road when you're interviewing me right now I mean I was like a celebrity myself just because of who my father was and then about a year down the line that's what I first knew about the price of success my dad was in the news of the world um he beat up an MP do you not ask me how this happened because at the time that's what I'm saying my daddy he lives that life but he's also a very smart man so he was like a sports minister for the house of commons and I don't know an incident's happened with a member of parliament and my dad's weighed him in so and they've printed it all in the paper and then um that's when I seen a negative side like the kind of like journalist turned up outside my mum's house my dad got sacked obviously from gladiators because they can't have naturally itv can't have that type of press and um yeah so he probably lost it about a year and a half in um in gladiators how did that affect your dad it affected him a lot but because that's life changing it is life changing but my dad's a typical Jamaican stubborn doesn't really let I've never seen my dad cry not once in my life I think maybe when my grandfather died and me and my dad went to Jamaica when I was 15 my dad was sleeping like he was in his sleep and he was crying in his sleep but it wasn't like he was kind of like just a tear just running down his face and I remember like me and him were sleeping in the same bed getting ready to bury his father in Jamaica like even blazing hot heat and I'm looking at him and I was like what the fuck but it was weird like my dad's six foot six James nine you know 19 to 20 stone and I think that's the only time I've ever seen a teardrop come out of his eye he would not let he won't let anyone into his emotion that's that's the type of man he was he's a typical tough Jamaican man you know when he first came from Jamaica before he came to Battersea he went to set his mums in Felton so there he dealt with a lot of racism felt felt him as a predominantly white area so that's where obviously he was fighting all every day doing all the usual things like you know nicking cards and just all the usual things like standing his ground yeah standing his ground but he's a man that I've always looked up to him like does he fear anything you know what does he fear you know he was my hero as a young kid and do you see a lot of yourself in your dad though with the stubbornness yeah why did you fall out because that's something that can't be resolved because life is too short like you're talking about your dad burring his dad and crying so no matter how tough you are no matter how much you block it out especially if he's getting grandkids that'll be hot on him just as well as it hot 100% is a no way you can resolve it. John it is James the biggest thing for me is that when I the whole situation happened with me and I was with Alicia and the whole when the the affair came out in the paper and um I found some some my agent at the time my dad my sorry my dad was managing managing me and one of my um publishers sent me an email of people that was leaking information to newspapers and the dad was on it yes which I understand and is that true though can that it's it's a tough one because too to this day he would deny it do you understand what I'm saying but it's um it got to a point that where I felt like my dad is jealous of his own son's success do you understand what I'm saying and my mum wasn't keen on my dad managing me you know because my mum and dad had been split up since I was 12 years old but my mum would never she'd go you know what son go down that road you'll learn for yourself and I didn't want to go back and go mum you was right yeah but we just clashed man I felt I didn't feel like my dad had my best interest at heart do you understand what I'm saying I felt like that he wished he lived that life with the glad datas is successful yes exactly and when I became successful in the things that I had done and took it to the highest level possible um I felt like he should be embracing that like i my son I want my son to be 10 times greater than I am how can I be jealous of my own son but um that's what I felt and in certain things that happened happened I felt like when I was having my negative moments my dad enjoyed the fall of me that's how I felt around that time and I do agree that um yeah he has grandkids and I've never wanted wanted to deprive him of that but it's certain things at this at this moment in time that I've healed a lot James I've healed a lot I've been I've ain't been a saint I've been the first to put my hands up I've healed a lot but um there's something at this precise moment that I just can't heal the rift with him must must god talks to me my soul talks to me and I'm like nah too many disrespect how can you do that to your own son I'm not saying I'm going to hold on to that emotion for the rest of my life because for me to go to my grave not talking to my dad that is not what I wanted in my life you know miss dynamite called me and she's had certain allocations with her family members and she called me and she said Harvey she says just resolve it he said he's got to deal with the problem so anything that he's done he's got to take to his grave but she's like just be the bigger man and I agree with her but I just haven't got to that it was so easy to take time but forgiveness is so hard but it's it's also key to elevate yourself to another level because 100% the shit that I've had to forgive people for through the years has been difficult like people always tell me off I'm good at giving advice yeah I'll tell you this ship I still don't fucking do it so it's hard exactly but hopefully one day he's can resolve it because you can because you speak very highly of your dad hopefully he may have just been a bit envious of your success and maybe obviously devastated that he could have been as successful going through his career and it maybe brought a lot of issues like he's fucked it because you in that life you know yourself you can't be both you can't be good and bad 100% if you've got to fly straight or else you will eventually crash and burn you can't and what it was is like I think of my dad the old school generation of our parents that was born in like the 60s they're fucking wrong and strong whereas our generation I'm the first person to go I was wrong that's how I healed in my life in that situation depending on what the situation is and what I gave to that situation I'll be the first ones to hold my hands up my hands up if I'm fucking wrong yeah but that generation of parents you are wrong no I'm not the sky is blue it's fucking red it's like talking to a brick wall so all I'm looking all I'm probably looking for my father is that for us to move forward just acknowledge certain things that you done because I will do the same I'm not saying that is a one-way argument James I'm not saying that I'm going to turn around and go it was just you you you you you you you because I obviously had a part to play in it but just fucking be honest mate to say sorry costs nothing I'll say it to my wife if I'm wrong with my wife I'm sorry that's why me and my wife are tight because we we you know from my past relationships which wasn't good which wasn't healthy we've arched that let's talk about everything even if it's uncomfortable do you know what I mean if you're wrong just say sorry we don't need to like delay the problem and make it worse in our house that's why we stay as a unit in our home but I don't know if my dad shares the same views so hopefully I get there still the life that you've been brought up in being from Battersea it's also got the reputation of being wild yeah taking through a gladiator senior dad on the telly and then obviously successful football I play my Chelsea school boys did you get an injury at Chelsea yeah so Chelsea I was fine I got scouted by Chelsea at 11 years old when I played for um for west London so I was at Chelsea from 11 to 15 but at the time um there was me and another left back called Neil Clement now Neil Clement went on to play for West Brom international playing a Premier League and when we got to um them giving out the academy contracts that to make a decision they didn't want to take on two two full backs so they released me and they gave Neil Clement a contract Ray Clements RIP big influence in my life and then Ray Clements and Terry Gibson asked me to come down to Barnett and I played two games and they they gave me two years straight away so I actually done my my academy at Barnett football club with um with Ray Clements and what a big influence he was on my life and especially I remember when I went now had a bit of a chip on my shoulder had that south south London mentality you know that London mentality that we all have this waga yeah and I remember kicking off we played against Layton Orient and I remember kicking off with one of my own teammates and listen James I said I don't fear no one I don't fear no man bro you know no man is no wall but Ray Clements fucking shit myself of um I've basically kicked off with one of the players and he's like you know have an argument with your teammates but just know you lot are meant to go together you're not meant to be against the chava and I've kicked off and I was in the wrong and Ray Clements has literally got me like this in the change room held me by my throat held me up in air like that and said you don't bring that fucking cocky south London attitude down here this is a professional football club you conduct yourself in the right manner and he said to me you do that again I will kick you out of this club faster than you can say peek a fucking boo and I went yes scaffold and that was it and years later which was two years ago because he died recently I went I got invited to Crystal Palace by Steve Parish the chairman and I'm sitting in a boardroom with all the you know Palace execs and Ray Clements walks in and he walks in he goes I am so fucking proud of you like obviously because he's seen my career and what I went on to do he goes I didn't know you could fucking see I said I said Clements to wrap on the coast of the boys I kept it quiet but he said like you're a prime example of how that you didn't rest on your laurels you know the football didn't work out yes I had also a good career in semi-pro football when I was playing for AFC Wimbledon and you know I earned good money from it but you didn't feel sorry for yourself you end up maintaining another career and became successful in that because a lot of boys that come out of football and they get released they can't handle it look at the young boy from Manchester City the other day he got released and killed himself so and I believe that the new generation they're not they're not with no offense they're not as tough of us they're very weak mentally weak social media plays a part it plays a big part as we know so yeah man that was my journey journey as a young football why do you think you never kicked on at football because the mentality you've got now is I ain't gonna quit yeah so what happened then at that age was you getting support from your dad was he ever say he's proud of you because when you talk about Ray there you can see that emotion like like it's funny because no matter how massive success is just growing yeah but even now the people it's close to you that sometimes you don't get I'm proud of you are the partner back we say we don't fucking want it but just that two seconds to say look I'm fucking proud of you because this is it's a lonely fucking road success it's lonely to change and and try and kick on because nobody can see the vision but sometimes that's all you need do you think if you had that you must your mum and dad must have supported you but were you getting the support at an age 15 16 17 from your dad to say you can do it I believe in you was it just all no my mum and my stepfather my stepfather passed away who's the original Battersea legend that everyone knows tattooed on my hand sugary he was a scout is that a boxer no he was weird he was a big guy so he was actually a famous dj in Battersea like a local famous dj but just because of his size and he had a voice like Barry White so yeah so yeah so no he was a major influence to me and my mum my mum was the woman that was getting up seven in the morning when I was at Chelsea driving me to um Hatton Cross where the training ground was my mum was the one that was driving me 300 miles on to Lincoln you know to play games my mum was the one that was sacrificing her own life my mum was the one that would say well done son good luck son pick me up when I'm down pick me up when I'm released is my mum and I'm not just trying to portray that oh you know I was you know estranged to my father but he just didn't offer that support my dad come to watch me once in a cup final and he still turned up late yeah got there probably about 20 minutes to go and this was a big cup big cup final this was me playing for west London at the time you know we was playing against south London Rio further than and all these boys big game you know and when we was all young kids so he my dad was all about himself he was about you know what I mean my dad would be stay at home all day like a vampire and go out at night we don't know what he's doing at night in it that's dad so I never had that support so no he won't be the one going good luck when when my mum and dad split up at 12 years old that affect you massively because that's when I realised how much my mum run the house because what it was that she put out a lot of shit with your dad 100% and I came on from school and my house was just over the bridge at this window so I'm walking home and I've walked into my house and my dad's sitting at a table and he's got like scratch marks up his hand so I can see that him and my mum have had a fight do you know what I mean and my mum just said to me she was like my mum was the straw and she says said to me I've got to leave son so my mum went to Plymouth to stay at her sister's for six months six to eight months I stayed in Battersea with my father and that's when I realised how much my mum kept the house together that's when I realised my dad was a womanizer because within time with my mum leaving women were turning up yeah my house felt unbalanced one of my cousins had to come and live with me I was so lost I was like where's my mum what is going on my dad would literally go out at night time 12 13 James won't get back to like four o'clock in the morning just leave me in the house my auntie Maxine my mum's friends ringing me like are you okay so that's when I started to notice the cracks and then he was then he was like feeding information negative information to me about my mum to try and get me to turn against my mum and then she came back and got me out of it a thing about eight months later and my mum said I don't want nothing they was married at the time my mum was like I don't want all the stuff that I've built up I don't want the flat I don't want nothing I just want to leave with my son me and my mum fucking lived in a hostel in Clapham Common a one bedroom fucking hostel my mum left with she built up everything else and she left with fuck all we lived in a hostel in Clapham Common we then had to go and live in a woman's house with a with a son she had to rent a room in there I had to sleep in a room with my mum on like a fold out bed my mum lost everything and then we got our first flat in Battersea through the council and because my mum worked for the council because my mum was a youth worker that's when I was like yeah we're back man and me and my mum just built herself back up and got back on her feet and then my stepfather lived in Battersea he was he was like a scout sugar eh he was like a scout and he worked in the youth club with my mum and as I'm getting old I'm like I swear these two are seeing a channel but my mum my mum doesn't want to tell me because she's like scared yeah she's like junior no matter what he doesn't see anything past his dad another man in my fucking house I fucking cut him in his sleep and um he was the biggest influence and supporter and stepfather to me I could ever have dreamed of re my mum's partner that's when my life changed he supported my mum oh he was a trooper man he died four years ago we buried him we buried him across the road there's a church the other side of this building you should get a fucking flat and your bro man I know so many memories like if you've seen this road this the literally road there was a thousand people that's how much he was loved in the ghetto a thousand people you're talking bad boys girls everyone had respect for him he was the only guy in this fucking area that two boys would be in beef and one would pull out a gun and Ray would step in front of you and go no and people had that much respect for him that boy ain't busting that gun James he ain't he ain't letting off that gun he was the only person that could do it I don't know how he had that people he was respected by everyone by the baddest gangster in the ends to the mothers he was just the people's person he looked out for his community and he's the one that showed me about never forget where you come from always look after people that help you always kept me humble within so solid what a fucking man so he was my mum's rock man so he kind of helped your career even to this day massively massively what happened with the football then when you started going from Chelsea and started moving down the leagues were you drinking or anything shagging about night so this is where it started where I always started to go after rail so what it was as I when I left Barnett I got bought by Aldershot at two good seasons there and then um I've just started getting into so solid then started getting into so solid so Mega Man kind of heard that I could mc but I'm like a fucking mc and what the fuck's that like this ain't paying no bills for me but like Mega and Romeo keep harassing me but they're buzz next year now I'm hearing about this buzz in south London of Mega Man and Romeo Mega Man and Romeo I then moved from Aldershot to Slough Town I break my ankle in training a freak accident so I'm spending a lot of time back in the ends now but when I'm coming back to the ends I'm like what the fuck is going on like why is everyone playing Mega Man and Romeo songs out there cars why is everyone listening to Mega Man and Romeo on a Sunday afternoon I go to meet Romeo meaning walk to like the local high street and girls are chasing him down the street and screaming I'm like fucking Marvin this doesn't make sense and he's like yeah like the so solid thing's going well um yeah man we're going to be big and I'm looking at him like so Romeo's like listen I mc in the local pub called the lit entry so I got an mc with him he pays me 50 crudo out of his money he's like yeah look the girl's like you man carry on come here every week so I started to meet him every Friday in a local pub James there's probably about a fucking hundred people in there yous are but we're like local heroes you know what I mean and then next you know mega goes look I want to I want to I'm starting this group so solid I want you to come to the radio station and try you out so I'll go to the radio station a week later now remember James I've been a footballer I've been used to like Friday nights focus pasta water wake up the next day now I'm discovering Friday nights that's when it all started didn't it that's when the weed comes into play were you smoking beforehand no no and that's mad but people don't realise about me this is what's going to throw everyone I didn't start smoking weed until I was 21 yeah it's not never put a split in my mouth because obviously I used to get drug tested at football and I was focused and see me James I can't be influenced by people so I could be around my boys that you know they might have fucking I don't know weed around them or shooters but it doesn't mean I'd be like well that's your life this is mine and that's why a lot of people respected me in my community because junior Harvey's is who he is listen mate if you choose to sell drugs that's your path it's not my fucking path selling drugs or anything like that never interested me and I'm too paranoid do you know what I mean I'll be fucking I've already got 65 cameras outside my house anyway what I'd be like if I sold fucking drugs I wouldn't be able to sleep and I'm honest so why am I gonna do something that is out of my depths do you know what I mean if you wanted to come to me back in the day yeah I was the credit card guy do you know what I mean that was my hustle but yeah it was just that can be difficult though because I always say show me your friends and I'll show you your future well there you go do you know what I mean so you do spend enough time with it you do get sucked in because I was the same as you I played for hybs up in Glasgow Edinburgh that was a jack lab at my dad was a bouncer yes I used to go to the most popular as nightclub in Glasgow at 15 tell the girls I was playing for the first team there you go I was walking down Nokia just walking on upstairs and I thought it was a fucking boy well we shared the same line good luck the time I played for Chelsea first team but I don't see you on tv yeah yeah I don't even have google as a bad man it's any good google me but yeah exactly what you just said you know I don't you know our dads have got the respect and then once Romeo started I'm like I said he brought me to muck this is the first rave that I ever got paid for and you're gonna know this guy I'm sure you've heard of Terry stone yeah no you know tell those other films and acting me and Terry live in the same area he's a postic one a podcast actually but obviously lockdown yeah above the terrier in my load me mean we like we drink at a local same local star box so like he's like a family to me and terry paid me 100 quid for um his rave garage nation and that's when Romeo said to me look terry wants you to come along he likes to wear you mc and he's gonna pay me and I said he's gonna fucking pay me for chatting shit yeah brilliant and now obviously now at the time mega was like listen so solid formulated mega started to get me in studio and James I don't know what the fuck happened we made 21 seconds and gospel truth when we made 21 seconds I was still playing football at the time I was at all the shot and I went down to um do my 21 seconds verse and mega was like yeah yeah they're like a stock clock and I had an argument with him because I kept going to him when I'm finishing my lyric it doesn't sound like it should finish it doesn't sound like the end of a 16 bar so anyone that don't know what bars are that's music right so mega was like no trust me trust me so I've left the studio feeling very weird like I don't like the way this has ended like I felt like I could have carried on mega like trust me or not I'm doing we used to have these we used to have our own office in Wandsworth so there's 30 of us in the office 30 of us and mega was like everyone sit down listen to this cd them times innit what you laughing at what the fuck is this I've never heard anything like this before this is fucking special and I'm on it mega what the hell is this that chorus is genius he then tells us listen we've been off on a million pound deal by Sony what but guess what we're not taking it no why is that because they want to change the production on 21 seconds mega's like I'm not breaking for no one these labels think because we come off the fucking streets we're just going to give you all our product do you know what I mean a lot of this money and a lot of this vision was made off a legal money James as you know getting the records pressed putting on the raves you know we had a lot of underground raves dealing with you know fucking loads of drama as you know I'm from Junction so at that time our biggest enemies was Brixton as a Capron Junction boy I couldn't go Brixton as a kid so all the dramas that we had to deal with just to get in so solid out there so mega's like why am I going to hand over all my rights to a label who's going to like take it over fuck up the music and take all the credit he then goes down the road and signs to relentless records for 250,000 I'm looking at this cunt like are you all right mate they offered us nah trust me I know what I'm doing they don't want to change the production and Glyn Aitkin who's behind Emily Sands the guy that signed us and lots of great artists said no we're going to give you 250 but to see the bigger picture we we we share the vision everything that you lot want to do we're going to give you full creative control we're not going to get involved we're just going to advise you six months later Billy's bigger selling single number one in the charts knocked off atomic kitten another six months down the line mobo award Brit award next year and I'm sitting there and fucking I'm walking down top of the pops and they leave for Tardo's walking past me going I love you guys Robbie Williams is going you lot are wicked I'm going what the fuck is going on what the fuck is going on I mean the year we won the mobo's um that was massive but fuck that James when you win a Brit award that's when you know you've been accepted coldplay and Kylie Minogue was an art yeah we beat them these people are over 80 million records sold so solid to current to date has only sold seven million records saying only so that's amazing but when you're dealing with coldplays Kylie Minogue's Robbie Williams is a different level so what right did we have to win British best British video that day no right so when we won it I said fucking no that's when my life changed that's when the profile became massive that's when I knew what we done had had impacted the whole of England and how are you handling that then because you're a meal man handsome bastards like just if I obviously not getting that status and the talent that he's had that people don't realise that the the depths that you need to go to be successful yeah especially coming from the streets users would have been outsiders I'm not giving them a chance so for somebody to give you a chance anyway and say yeah I'm back in them we must have been a positive anyway but to then get that success how did you handle that coming you've been you've kind of been through it but not to that level yeah then you've got the limelight then you've got the press then you've got paparazzi did you thrive on it or did you start taking a step back when it started coming your way James I was so fucking unhappy it was a joke because as you know with success comes enemies now and every individual member in so solid's got their own individual problems now if you look at people like mega man mac face g man they are the original ones in so solid that was active on the streets in wars in gang wars in real beef so now your enemies follow you into the music now so now you've got dramas with brickston and other crews but what happens now you've now exposed yourself to other gangs now so now the north london boys on a robust moss side boys are threatening us burmanin boys are threatening us burger bar boys moss side well every fucking game you can name you name it i've been threatened by them you know what i mean so i'm like and what's with for me i don't know these people james so obviously this is what comes with the territory the territory this is jealousy and then um we got on a plane to nappa and i knew the night was going too too well because channel four it was just before 21 seconds launched on the mainstream it was already brewing on the underground but it wasn't released yet and me mega and romeo and dan the man went to nappa and it's going too well remember the whole island like you can see the guys at all jealous there you've got all that different sets of gangs all over in iron nappa like remember we got all the girls got 20 girls rolling with us we got all the moped's we're rolling with like all the separate guys we've got girls in the back of our moped's you know it goes back then shagging for fun living out sexual dreams you know what i mean i wish i wasn't happy you know you know the big Scottish way down you've been fucking loving it you could have been ox you could have been oxides oxides are like this fucking hell mustard so that was that and then um i knew it because i remember it right i said that day's going too well we was with these birds all day and had all these girls in the back of my moped and then um we we got invited to a club at night time and as we've got to the club i just felt this bad feeling in my heart i had two birds sitting on my lap fucking popping we've done about 10 grand worth of bottles of champagne in it pop pop pop oh it's so solid everyone wants a piece of so solid and as i turn round romeo i've seen it looking romeo's eyes and romeo said shit mega's kicking off and i don't know what the fuck was going on i've literally jumped over the um the barriers in the club and he's surrounded by all these boys from like north manchester and that and i think manchester fucking Liverpool there was loads of northerners involved they was all against us everyone wanted to do us and it's escalated james into a 20 man brawl and there was only four of us yeah and knives have come out everywhere and i'll come look after myself james you know what i mean like i don't i'm not no gangster brother but people know me in batsy you ask anyone in batsy they know me as a fighter people that have laid out in batsy they know who's watching this do you understand i can just defend myself i don't go out there and cause trouble but um if you trouble my friends i'm going to do whatever i have to do by any means necessary that's the way the world works and it's turned into a brawl and i'm doing all right you know i've got a few you know i've got these crazy northerners coming up to me like attacking me and at the time um mega's got chived in his eye and he's just going hey wire and i've just felt that in the back of my neck and i thought i got punched and that was it my ear was on my shoulder james yeah plugged yeah i got plugged and um blood squirting at my neck my ears on my shoulder people are screaming um four hour operation emergency operation in in iron apple um fighting for my life for four hours and i've james you know that's mad i'm 41 years old mate and i don't forget it to this day because when i was in the hospital and i was passing out out of all the people i fucking met in my life james out of everyone i've met in my life do you know the only person i could see was my mother i swear to god i remember the nurse injecting adrenaline into me i remember this asian kid that got me to the hospital all that saved my life to this day i don't know where this kid is and i remember people screaming around me and all the nurses i knew it was serious because the nurses was running shit yeah and you know i've lost a lot of blood and all i could see in my subconscious was my mum doing this so all the fucking people i've met at 20 years of my life at that time because i got stabbed at 20 meant fuckle all these memories that we're sharing right now mean fuckle and all i could see was my mother and then when they put the adrenaline in me thank god mate that was it like it got me back up and i'll never forget when um they lied me on the side of the table my neck was still open they said you're calm you're not gonna die but we have to call in a specialist from larnaca this geezer's walked in like the fucking the fox in pock fiction what a guy what a guy he's gone he's gone my friend do you do sport i said what fucking random question this is i've just been chived up mate i said why i said yeah i played football you went that's why you're alive because your respiratory system was higher than the average man because i didn't smoke or nothing at the time and you went you could your oxygen your oxygen intake kept you alive because if you smoked or your lungs was weak you'd have just went panicked got into shock and died and he said to me also my friend god must want you here why he goes your artery is a millimeter away jamey that close that isn't it yeah all right he says another millimeter he said my friend finished eight months later one million records sold god i think god done it's teach me a lesson what were you thinking now what was the plan were you going to quit after you go to the hospital were you thinking or did that give you the keys you look at all the rappers and stuff in america 50 cents game they've all been shot even pro green yeah yeah the kind that i think there's only a very small percentage that will go right fuck this man i need to give life everything do you think that made you kick on in life or did it make you take a step back and analyse everything at the start made me kick on but also again i went through three emotions so the first emotion when i get back which people are scared to admit i was scared because everything's a joke until it becomes fucking real and it happens to you it's all good talking about war stories and ganks the shit to make yourself sound cool until you actually get stabbed or shot and now i've been stabbed i'm there i've experienced it now so the first emotion was fear didn't want to go out i remember i've my dad's found out about this my dad's turned up at the airport i can't even stress the phone calls that was made do you know what i mean revenge oh the guys yeah that was involved they know the calls that's been made do you understand they know my dad ain't gonna let that lie no fucking chance are you speaking with your dad at that time yeah my dad was your manager yeah not even at the time but when my dad heard my dad turned up at the airport when i landed so imagine this is my dad and his wife my mum and my stepfather who had never stood in the same facility and i was like yeah and my dad i got to Gatwick and i got off the plane with dj master steps big garage dj and i remember master steps like he was brilliant my dad yeah but when he seen me he was like because i had a neck brace on and i think that's put me on the fucking cart you know in the airport because i was so weak but step said master step said i'll stay with him on the plane till he lands mum's do what they do cry when she see my face who was that for your senior horrible horrible bro hot like she'd see me and she see my face she's like what have they done to my boy's face like what the fuck all this because of music and jealousy and the thing is i'm love James in my area i've i don't have that tension people know me i'm a people's person i just i just love life and then we let my mum come up to me she was by you know crying and then my dad and then my dad walked up to me and i'm thinking you've just driven driven 30 master gatwick airport and my dad said to me he walked up to me and i don't forget it sweat one sweat rolled down his face and he went to me junior go home and rest and he went i'm going to call you in two days yeah and he and all he wanted to do was look up my neck and he went like this and he undone the neck brace and he went and he went cool no problem there was a few people that was affiliated that knew the boys from around here they seen my dad in batasy four days later pulling up at people's shops someone says we ain't seen Mike Harvey in batasy for years if you see him in batasy just know it's a fucking problem his son's been stabbed he done what he had to do my dad did said to me look you know just go away go and relax you know he's a bit of dough i'll deal with it and it was horrible like it was it was a horrible emotion james man a terrible emotion like is affected so when i came out once i recovered you know so slowly we just got bigger and bigger so first it's paranoia then i used to have the ones where i used to stand in raves and i want sand i wouldn't let anyone stand behind me so i'd usually be in raves like why the fuck you standing behind me i always want to kick off with people and then you get to the third stage we just don't give a fuck it is what it is isn't it i don't give a i don't feel no one james i don't give a shit what gang you're from i'm not in no gang but i will fight to defend my rights to the day that i die so then then it's now i don't feel nothing come on then let's go because but after four fucking years of soul solid do you think i ain't seen guns do you think i ain't seen knives not by tresh james because i was a sensible one in soul solid i was the one that said to the boys don't go there don't go there because every time we've got to go to certain places some of the boys got to put on vest james because the threats were real it's like no internet shit oh you wait you i'm going to get you it's none of that fucking bollocks james this is real shit and what it is even if i'm not a gangster or i'm not the baddest one is it affiliation by association or association by which whichever way so do you know how many times me and romeo got targeted just because i'm in soul solid because they think if we can't get mega or we can't get mac we're going to go for the other ones aren't we that's why i got targeted romeo got targeted lisa got targeted so that's why more time when you'd booked so solid you would book two of us but just know 60 of us are turning up do you think after i got stabbed my dad was letting me leave home without any of the goons had goons in me everywhere i went i sat road what happens now we employ the old gangsters to watch my back sorry we don't employ them they're my dad's people they do it for the love and then we that's the way i have to go to work for four years and how was that stress horrible because what it is i've got a role with real bad boys real shooters yeah just so i can go to work that's what's the soul solid journey but when it all changed was when i got offered to present on t4 yeah and i became harvey the celebrity it is all changed how was it though to make the transition to by 94 years are so solid but murders attempt murders guns yeah even ash did he get done with a gun 18 months yeah he's kicked on phenomenal actor brilliant mega how did he how did it was he a creative genius in to to get that so even though your football career was kind of fizzling yeah he's still put you out that misery obviously you've went through a lot of dark times and trauma but there's no people many people still in the industry because you're still doing what you do bro in your 40s so how did he have that vision did you just believe in his vision mega if you were just thinking at first at the time because me and him are closer than we've ever been i didn't like his character at the time but now i get it because when you've got to carry that kind of easy easy sugnaet pddjz type aura you've got to be a certain way if you're calling yourself the headman you've got to deal with what comes with it because someone always wants to knock you off your fucking pedestal didn't they so mega was but where mega was a genius he went harvey Romeo ashley waters lisa mafia that's my england stars okay what i'm going to do i'm going to launch them on 21 seconds knowing that they're all going to get offered solo deals so what i'll do i'll sign them all to social aid recordings he gets 20% off that don't he harvey then goes and signs to universal for our sign for 250 000 romeo signs for 300 000 lia lisa signs for 250 ashley signs for 300 poor bastard goes gel did he lose his contract oh yeah no they stuck by him but you know what i mean not bad guy and joe and 300 grand and anything so we got feature yourself he's now shocked us all out 20% of each person you do the math yeah that's a fucking genius yeah that's a genius but then obviously me and mega had a big fall out ain't a mystery to no one and i was the i was the first one to leave um like i said he got sent to gel for like the attempted murder ash ash has gone gel obviously you know morgan our boy is doing life now yeah i went to see him for the first time it was four years ago he's doing very well and it broke my fucking heart james yeah you know i mean it's the first time i've seen him in 13 years why was that they just fall out beforehand because when i left so solid i had to touch myself from everything and i think when i got t4 i realised that when you're on a tv contract you know i've got a thank alisha she made me move to heart for char not here in sirens no more waking up in a beautiful countryside i've got myself a half a million pound house realised that life's a bigger picture waking up in fear of your life every day it's not fun i stopped enjoying it me and the boys fell out we didn't talk for four years so i had to make that decision because by the time it got to the second album people were more concerned about protecting their lives and actually making music you know what i mean what are we gonna do you know we got money so let's buy more buy more ammo no that's not no like i'm not a fucking gangster and i don't fake to be one do you know what i mean i live by basic morals bro loyalty and being the honest person and to defend myself if attacked that's how that's the way i live life but no james i said i said no and i left to me mega had a big fallout and within that fallout within that time he went gel so he had to learn a lot about his downfalls and about his what he's done because um all of us in so solid have contributed to parts of our downfall if the boys can't admit that then they're all fucking lying to themselves they're the point fingers you point one finger three points back yeah so i understand it me and mega are so close now bro do you know we're so close we spoke today yeah it's like you're doing james because i love his podcast you know i mean because all the boys watch you so it was a journey but i needed to to detach myself and i do thank alisha dicks and my ex-wife at the time because she made me see a bigger picture you're not going i'm not worrying about my husband being killed because we're only young what is the jewsmeat 21 fucking or 21 when she was in the peak of it when were you married 26 and that lasted fucking eight months mobile story don't get fucking married but um how was that as well because her career kicked on did you feel as if your career was in the decline while because you were the fucking love rat and that must be difficult boy from the streets you know the those red fucking the rose red headlines destroy your life the press kill people yeah and you being the player and the bad boy and you and romeo doing what he's doing how was that when it came out did her the girl you was at your daughter's mum yeah so javine because she was another famous singer so was it her ex-man it's in your car outside her house and you know what yeah he stopped yun yes i'm fucking some of this right is the biggest all-shit ever that story right so the her boyfriend at the time was a producer called kg producers for all say all like all say these absolute bell ends you know what i mean like the geezer and like what it was um somewhat it was actually someone in her management told him do you know what i mean but you know it was weird james i was even shagging her at the time i was literally just after he was doing a musical together so after that i just got to a house just to eat food still wrong because i shouldn't be in another woman's woman's house people were watching this thinking you're lying back no gospel truth at that time when he apparently seen my car i was even shagging her real real shit obviously i did start shagging her was he seen her though i was an ex bye then do you know what's weird when i'll speak at the time this is when i'll speak to her she was like uh i've left him but he won't take no for an answer that's what she was giving me i can't believe he's stuck again and he he taught alicia yeah so he went and told because what it was he knew someone that was affiliated to her because what it was the day that i left javine's house this is weird imagine this i've left her house i'm driving home to my marital home and as i'm two miles from my house javine's rang me and gone she knows she knows as i put up on my drive mate the worst thing i've ever had to do tell a woman that i'm cheating on her and i'll never forget what she done i just bought her a dog imagine that what came fucking oh um lab lab sorry it was a labrador yeah and then um i've walked in the front room and she's going do you want some food harvey fucking hell yeah what's that real sit down off how was your day yeah fine swear to god james guess what program was on the tv tyra bank show right at the time because it was what 2005 yeah guess what tyra bank show was about cheating did she put that on poppersley i swear and then she went this is exactly what she did she went she was there watching the tv you enjoying your food yeah pause a heart sank she went how long has it been going on harvey on our way and now is it mate i thought she's gonna fucking kill me mate i thought she's gonna absolutely like it was the worst two of these days the worst two days i've ever spent in my house then my mom rang me you fucking stand at house you dirty tramp you've you've just broke your wife's heart yeah you owe her that you owe her that so i'm like as well as my agent calling me i mean every fucking newspaper now it's come out in the papers now everyone hates me love that love rap my mental health's like oh my god so everywhere i go it's just i've gone from being in a celebrity relationship to being loved to being hated within 48 hours self-inflicted but use what a power couple man for people from the streets as well two young kids who are doing thriving high life getting quarter million pound deals and working hard at it how being a young did you see yourself and your dad at that time yeah and i started this is so fucking James you're good you're good so a big support of you when i went through that that matters of it after i went through the alesia stuff and then obviously when i got with javine the mother of my my daughter um she never have been with her and i mean toxic relationship and once i once escaped from it and i got out of the whole situation i said to my mum one time like mum i feel like my dad my mum said to me don't you ever say that and i said why is that she goes there's a difference between you and your dad and i went what's that she went you got a conscience he hasn't and that was it she goes you never do that she goes people don't understand this is why James my wife my wife now the best woman my best friend the saviour of my life she said to me what did people expect from you you was 21 years old 21 to 20 she goes i know i was doing a fucking 21 to 25 years old so a lot of pressure the money that you're earning women friend themselves at you and it's only now i thought to myself why the fuck did i get into a relationship at that age because you know what it is james i'm old school and i love love i love being in love i love the family unit but i should have learned more about myself and i should have got the shagging out my sister i'm still no go to entertainment it speeds up the process it must be difficult because you're trying to grow up fresh you're trying to mature to look good for the cameras yes because i read somewhere that alisha when your grandfather passed you actually showed up my stepfather shows you how strong a character she is because i broke that woman but instead she's used that pain and thrived on it she went like strictly come dancing presenting britain's got talent mega shows so yeah and then you're you are not to blame for it but you were the reason probably because that's a case i want to get it broken that she's done fuck this and shoot right for stars to keep proving you're on because no doubt she'll probably still love you to this day james this guy's so important you know so i was saying that um yeah four years ago my stepfather died and um like i said she she comes to my mother's to pay respects with her partner that's unbelievable and unbelievable and i've said it i've said it why i respect it when my stepfather died the whole of south london basi was in my mom's house my mom knows all the bad boys she's a youth worker so is he so they're very connected with the community so when you pulled up outside my mom's all the goons are outside my mom's everyone that's how much he was loved she's pulled up the astin martin with her partner and he must have been shitting himself if you want to come into my world yeah it's up to you isn't it he must have been shitting himself that's what i love with people in so solid right people always go like that's why people always take set on me and romeo you know like pricks cunts they think they're this i mean these are they'll be fair cheers james these are you these are me and we're like and when people know me and romeo yeah we're the most down to earth geese geese you'd meet but what what is you look at us and you see where the mixed race ones you know the ones that you'd call the pretty boys but why we laugh our friends behind us are the most dangerous set of people you'd ever know romeo's set of friends yeah you don't want that problem and he's the most humble guy you'd ever meet but when alisha turned up with her partner and the boys to the boys look after him show him love and the boys was like 100% because she's here for re and that within itself is respect do you understand she then sent sent 500 pounds worth of flowers to my mother to put on his the funeral the car the funeral car she then rang me imagine if she rang me six months before i met my wife and she said to me i just want you to be happy of i apologise to her about what happened in the past me and i had a mature conversation we both talked about our kids are i said are your kids are beautiful she's like your kids are beautiful and she always said you know you're the first person that i loved and i said good luck to you and she said good luck to me and i now know i now know that she goes on my instagram and sees me like happy with my kids and my wife she'll be so proud she's got she'll be like i'm just so glad that he's okay yeah that must have been difficult though then because then you realise fuck me man like how much it has a ripple effect of fucking people about do you know what i mean so some people it breaks them push them over the edge to her side or some people it makes them she's obviously used that and and it's made her but no doubt she'll still be in your thoughts every day like you know herself there's always girls in it coming in out your life and you there's you still think about them you think they're okay the respect i've got for it i said like the respect i've got for it up until this day like i said this is mad the two women i actually made to children with before my children with my wife i never loved i've loved two women in my life james alisha and my wife now how was it when she when you see now was it hard for you was that when you realized no because we bumped into each other at events but it wouldn't mean as dead yeah it was i think what was mad was when she came to the back of my mum's garden and me and her just sat at the back of the garden but remember i'm i'm grieving james and we spoke and one of my mates who's grown up with me who's grown up around her was like mate this is fucking weird it's almost like you trained left each other because it was so normal to talk it was so normal to to chat but you but you're both massive parts in each other's yeah we bought our first house together james we she made me grow up grow up as a man how can i be bitter or hold any anger towards that if you commit adultery put your fucking hands up and be a man and take it on the chin how can i sit here and justify cheating on my wife people would be that you mug so but joe is when we both look at it at the end of it like when i look at her now with her her husband and she looks at me i can look at her picture to be like she's so happy and she couldn't be and and i'm so happy so we also got to go well we led ourselves both to the promised land out of pain yeah unfortunately i'm sorry that had to be at someone's expense but then you got to think to yourself the things i went through after that you know newspapers putting private investigators on me the interrogation of my life snakey friends james how much friends was doing snakey shit that's when i realized friends are real snakes out here that's why i can count my friends on my hands you know i mean you bastards man you know i mean the the people that enjoyed my downfall so when i fucking rose back oh it was a beautiful thing how was that going through that transition when you're going through the presenting job did you get a psychologist princess diana psychologist why was that they got it channel four and how was that feeling amazing opening up yeah because being vulnerable at my age were you i was before the breakup or after it after it no sorry no sorry before the breakup so i was about 24 so still young yeah still young but he just took what it is james this is what a lot of people do and i could i could see it even watching in your podcast people may come in and they think they got a portray image i'm fucking comfortable in my skin i know who i am i don't give a fuck what people think of me because i know who i am but what it was it was being comfortable and he was trying to get out to me that when you go on national tv you have to reach out to the masses you cannot be like you're from the streets because all you're doing you're segregating an audience this is t4 you have to know how to laugh at yourself you know that you have to know to be an open person and actually when i first walked in there what was my body language like oh closed off yeah yeah yeah yeah no man because if i act if people see me laughing or acting corny it's weakness it's weakness but i'm thinking to myself that one of my boys said to me how have you so much man you've dealt with in the ends bro they can see you laughing for 10 years being a clown people know the truth my friend was like go out there and go and earn your money yeah and do it the correct way and don't worry about the fucking streets you don't owe the street shit and that was it once i learned that that's why i was told to young the young kids now when i see them in the hoods stop when you look keep going my post code i'm representing this i'm representing that gang you don't represent shit bro your mum pays council attacks for the estate that you live in there's no loyalty on it or a lot of our parents came here as immigrants so what exactly are you representing the council the fucking council post codes now post code wars i said when these young boys have understanding of what they've been fighting for and losing lives for when they're older that's if they make it to get in older they're going to feel like a fucking bunch of idiots when i grown up where i grown up James it was real there was no post code wars it was a straight couple junction is junction boys topnum is topnum ways hackney is hackney man brickstone is the 28s that was it Manchester Mosside Birmingham burger bars johnson's Huddersfield HUD man now i can't keep up there's 30 gangs to each fucking area all under codes and numbers i'm like we officially now i feel like this is probably the closest that england's been to living being like LA and new yw York back in the day yeah it's getting worse it's getting worse like americans my friends in america ring me like why are you not so stab happy my friend said to me from america who lives who's from Compton said man i'm not coming to england he said fuck that all you don't do is stab a shovel i said how ironic because i was in america i was full that you look dry drive wise is a culture in america so yeah man it's like i think new yw York that's changed i think the old meron new yw York's totally cleaned it up and then LA i think they're really trying to make moves i think it's just here that the government are happy for people here to stab each other and shoot each other and that's the fucking problem like people need to wake up and realize what within people's got greatness in them so us being from so solid crew set the blueprint and 20 years deep yeah he's a stall successful i know it's crazy right that is the key why did they do it everything's model image i copy the best out there yeah i'll copy what they've got put more and spin to it then i'll overtake them yeah and then people start copying me that's right techniques that's right that's good i'll help anyone but as soon as you fuck me over i'll pull the plug in you will simple as that your energy will go trust me james so it's difficult so when you started going through all that all the pain and starting to realize okay you're 26 going through a divorce all over the headlines how is that affecting your mind your mindset not good and that's when i knew i was i was strong because no tv channel would really touch me at the time did you get blackboard yeah i got blackboard by the bbc um i got blackboard blackboard by music companies too why though it's not as weird until this day i goes my mum was like they're blackboard in my son out of his private life you know bbc i can understand because Alicia was contracted to the bbc i'll get that that you know i mean she you know she went on to you know present strictly come dancing but people just had it in for me james like added that no one would touch me and then um i was i remember like money was running out and i was in a bad way and i said what the fuck am i going to do man like i'm sitting at home racking my brain like i was putting a comedy show so imagine i'm watching um deaf comedy jam in america and i thought you know i'm going to do i'm going to pay for one of the top american comedians come over willy robo at the time and i'm going to get pool chowdery the asian comedian coat and cojo and i'm going to put on a comedy show because i've done a musical i was in there with camera macintosh he's a producer of mama mia now he loved me that's the kind of power i had i could go to these type of people i said camera can i do a camera and robert macintosh can i do a comedy show in the west end at a west end theatre but i'm going to do it like deaf comedy jam they gave me the shawspree theatre and i'm james money's running out really bad now no one's touching me i swear to god i think i had about seven grand left from how much two fifty half i'm old 300 000 what were you doing were you still being daft and just tax man came for me the divorce killed me because i had to admit to adultery so you've got to think of the shared cars um by the way what's she done yeah i've got to write her free yeah she's like do you know the equity in the house she just let it build up so by the time i've got to respect the leash yeah because she went take you take what the fuck's yours i'll take what's mine and these are big boy lawyers involved russles my lawyer stafferman guild he's a big come and then my lawyer's gone to me legend great i've got a great learn he's gone listen you've got equity in the house but there's so many debts that i've built up because the case has gone over so long that's going to go back the money's just going to come to me and go straight to the debts but he goes the debts are like i don't know you've got about 50 000 pounds worth of debts on your so i said what do i get at the end of it then he went maybe a coke and a chocolate so i said so out of the like i don't know the say 50 bags i think i had 200 quid left i went full lock and got a pair of air mac because that's all i could get whether the dog go whether the dog go the labrador that she kept it yeah she kept it of course she kept getting that back so but what made me laugh so what that had about seven grand left and i was like i've got this make this hit and then i knew a woman at mtv jasmine dottywala imagine she's friends with alisha but she knows me too so when i've gone to present the idea to her at mtv she's got an attitude me know that argument in the mtv boardroom gospel truth someone said they'll never forget that argument they've got glass rooms at mtv and i know they can see is me and jasmine going i'm basically saying to her fuck you like just you know alisha i goes are you her best friend have i ever seen you in my house have i ever seen you at christening's so what you want to give it all this this attitude when i'm coming to present an idea to you that's going to make you fucking money she sat back two days later she went i'm going to commission the show i've commissioned it i made 32 grand from the show after all my outgoins and paying considering the fucking comedian miss two flights the cunt because he's he's a rock and roll comedian to the point now so he's bang on up yeah but when he landed the boys had to have a word with him because my team the boys was like do you think this is a joke mate this is someone's money let's get missing flights mate do you know what i mean but anyway he put on a good show so i made yeah i made about 35 grand compared to two ffifties 300 year old mating did you feel as if your career was going on and declining no i was thinking i was looking at myself like okay so i'm walking in my house right and i've got five million records so i've got all my plaques up in my house and i've got fuck all to show for it what a failed what a failure that's what most musicians james i could tell you a lot of musicians that you're watching currently now and they're putting on all this image you know the do you know this shit do you know that shit they've got a pot to piss in i know i know every artist's fees that you watch what they go out for remember they have to give 40 percent of that money to the tax man is the whole game and everything that is perceived to the kids and the things that the kids think they got to follow on the internet is the biggest smokescreen and load of bollocks you would ever watch now kids think you've got to have a big boy watch on and change just to be the man no go and invest your fucking money be sensible but um from there was when i started to get back on my feet and there was there was there was loads of trials and tribulations along the way obviously my career is colourful it didn't just go perfect it didn't just go i think that's why you're so good 10 of you mate because i fucking roll of course that fucking roller coaster mate i'm just getting my seatbelt on and i'm just enjoying it so i'm like but that was that was like from the leisure situation yeah that was the rebuild he's never trying to resolve that no because i just shows you kind of character she has man fair plays yeah and i can't go back here this i'll fuck up him and that's why my missus says now she goes this is what i respect you so much yeah people are fooled by a beauty and oh but you look beautiful together or i don't care if you're beautiful connection connection and number one because my mom said to her like you you didn't fight for your marriage you allowed my son just to walk off do you know what i mean but then i said to my mom i can never rectify that because i'm going to be thinking she's going to make it one all and now she's going to go fucking shag a no big easy so i'm going to be like if she makes it one all what can i say you fucked him yeah but you done that then the house is like you yeah and it just gets more demonic toxic so i said to myself have you got to take the elgis and you got to move them with your life it's done so i wouldn't go back if you paid me what was this man with i will touch on that i know you spoke about it before but harley berry has she put it on you yeah in um the dochester hotel tell me it was before golden i tell me it was i was interviewing her for golden i and that man is we're so just mad no wonder people fell out with you now people are the podcast going to be like one card i'm like fucking i can't win she put it on you yeah stuck it on me proper man that was madden just mad i'd always laugh because everyone's interviewing techniques when they interview me is everyone's different and i like i'll know you because you probably do your research but i said i don't think there's one person interview a room walked in they're like i can't ask you mate because who didn't fucking fancy harley berry she was yeah but i was getting married that summer james and people are this is what i've got to say about fame so hold on a minute my reality she's in england i'm interviewing her so what am i meant to do in that moment when she's stuck it on me go no problem love i'll meet you tonight but that shows that you do have models and respect for us of course like things that i've done listen anything that i've committed in terms of like any badness within the business or any badness to do with women james i fully know what i was doing i don't need no one to yeah to um smooth it out for me yeah i'm a man like i said i'll hold up to my mistakes but i am not a bad person so anyone that that's why i'm loved in my community because all my mom's friends they're like he's not human they're like junior's got a good heart but um um it's impossible and the thing is i swear to god that morning alisha was on to me anyway she was on to me that morning when i went out to interview her because she's she must have always been wearing old man house because those were proper back in the day do you know what i mean and girls are worse than boys the fucking love the bad boys so if you've got a shitty story man it just they come on you even what more do you know i knew a girl was weird yeah and this is so weird and i was laughing laughing yeah and i went i'll never forget it right um in my bad days like i had a sexual relation with this girl and i woke up in the morning and she was rubbing my scar on my neck and i was like you fucking twisted woman and she was like oh it's so sexy where you got stabbed and i was like oh bore off like i was like bore off is this way is this way it takes for me like but you know women they the more like you said they loved it and now you know you get there's two types of girls in it there's good women and there's girls that love that love that lifestyle i'm using so so that the girls who used to love being around us didn't they the jewellery the drama the cars the crazy nights in the hotel living living living a life that they would never have you know i mean we're putting these girls are traveling with us in there they're coming in fucking escalades when we're in america we've got penthouses in miami you know girls are flying over over to me us we're rolling with tim westwood dj Khaled they love all that shit don't they they love the bright lights the farce cars but for me that's not a tongue on for me anymore because i see them as weak for all that i can't stand girls like that it's all about connection man and mentally and like somebody's got to understand like i come with fucking baggage as well and so including yourself so it's got to be somebody that comes in accepts all your bullshit man yeah well and they unpack it all your shit you know what i mean so it can't be difficult when you're going through your dat time to anybody from so solid reach out do you know what at the time i said me and romeo close forever so i say me me romeo and the treeno and ashley were very close me and ashley ain't close no more why is that ashley's changed his life he's been for a lot of tough shit just like me and since he's got back on his feet he's chose his path so you know me and him was in ib for a couple of years ago but he just chose to detach himself and i find it considering what me and him me and him have been through everything and me and him have stuck together he don't know what i'm talking about when he watches this to understand but he has his reasons james i love the way we've shared a journey together but he feels he has to detach himself i'm not going to run after him can you understand that though with the shirt that you've been through maybe he doesn't want to do anything but not with me not your loyal issues because i'm the one that i was the one to show so people in so solid that example i'd detached myself from everyone but i didn't detach myself from romeo because romeo wasn't living like that he was on the same path as me just wanted to live a good life get his house and keep away from the drama so everyone knows me like i'm the most anti drama guy that you would meet i live in the fucking countryside now i might end up with my kids going to fucking feeding the fish do you know what i mean and walking the dog i'd like i'd live a very very peaceful life i'm not into all that shit so i understand it but to like treat me like it nah i don't get that i sent him a message during the first lockdown he knows the message i'll sent him i said you go your way i go mine but i'm forever proud of you that's it so i'm mutual respect 100% mutual reply nine reply but i've been in zone i was with him four weeks before at the socially concert had we put on just before the first lockdown which he turns up but never performed nine but there you go now you know why now now you so so i don't understand why you turned up so probably still want to be part of it and probably still miss it it was bizarre so when i've actually said to asher at the time your ash because it was me and mega show said yo your your clothes are with the stylist upstairs and he looked at me and went and the performing i went so i just looked him and went okay no problem it's a bit older now we're fathers you know what i mean we're not gonna fucking scrap at our age but i'm saying is that it's best that we just don't cross that line because if i don't agree with what you're saying i'm going to tell you and ash is the same so but still sky plus bulletproof i'm so proud of it like bro it's almost like only so solid members can talk about so solid members no fucking outsiders can talk about ash you can't come on the street and talk to me about asher you was there's a fucking problem he's my brother but i'm not going to do an interview and give out some fake information like yeah we're all great there's no problem no one's had an argument james but not everyone's energies are made for each other and i respect that but could i say that do i wish him the fucking best i'm fucking extremely proud of him that's my brother i've shared so much shit with him sometimes in life you've got to go your own separate ways some pains the car but you don't know what's round the corner maybe five years ten years ten years come back come on see me and ash we love each other so much like is i'm more pissed off of him that i've had your back bro and he knows what i'm talking about you know that night in the hotel what happened when them boys ran down in our run up in our hotel you know what i did they're trying to kill us get me they didn't try they didn't try but they they came serious but luckily me because i don't fear no man step forward yeah i stepped forward i ran down the fucking the hotel lobby in my boxer shorts do you know what i mean but sod's low the boy the boys had ballies on and i knew one of the boys and he took his belly off and he went what the and i went what the fuck how was it i've had lisa mafio on that lovely bits how was it lisa's wicked to protect lisa being from the band and all these shitties were going through as well did you feel it father figures for her 100% yeah because she's a solid man solid woman solid fucking lover of bits and obviously stuff we shouldn't throw with her mum and she spoke about all this thing everybody's got different journeys but how hard was it having the girl and the band protect lisa by any means necessary she's a woman and usually when you you know that if you come to any of the boys yeah you better come proper because no one's gonna back down but then you might go for the girl because she's easy to go for nah lisa's extra protected she was that's why when you'd see lisa out she's got 30 guys with her is that real we ain't letting anything happen to her yeah i'm not just that lisa can't fucking look after her so yeah i get my idea yeah but nothing about respect for her like even with lisa lisa's on her own journey do i mean so she's been for a lot personally and i can see that lisa's actually in a healing process i'll notice it from your interview lisa's healing now she's there she's getting there yeah you can see the change and she's like everything she's bottled up for years and years yeah and i can see it rising and when you see something like that especially a girl that has been like assisted to me do not you do you leave her and you let her peacefully rebuild because if she's going on to the right path just let her be because me and lisa don't need to say nothing to each other we know what we've been through we all we all do so if anyone want to go it's so solid tight of course we are always do we have our ways cause we do do we all agree with each other no we don't but if you're looking for some dramatic story like yeah we fight and that one's a fucker and that one done you're not getting that from me mate because i would love them not to the day that i die how can i be bitter or anger to something that was a major part of my life that also changed my life that allowed me to live in a nice house that made me live out dreams never i would never disrespect so solid on that level would watch and think you've got to have their back no matter what people are always going to fall especially being so many involved in it so when you're going through all that when you're starting to rise up again what were you doing with your life then what was that like when you were coming through the fucking bankrupt saying yeah in your 30s were you thinking it was over a true harvest style just fucking punching through again and and rising to the top no because you see me james yeah i love to rebuild my fucking phoenix bro so do you know what if you try and shut off every door for me i'll find one and i know my power i know i will get you and i know something will happen and then what i knew was that things started to build up things started to come back in i started to do various tv work the tv channels because tv like we love his character man come on we need fucking out of your back man she's like it's ridiculous tv tv channel started to ease off on me and then i knew it was gonna happen they offered me big brother and the first time i said no why i was like i'm not being big brother because i'm stubborn i'm mum i'm not going on big brother i said to my mother to prove to people that i'm a good person so the public now go oh he's really a nice guy because we've called him a cunt for the last three years i was like fuck the public if they hate me then let them hate me then because no way and then um then romeo done it didn't he's six months later and my agent was like they've come back again you got the final yeah me and then i went how much and then he went he said the fee and i went how much i went i mean and then that's when it changed james because do you know when i knew i was doing well i didn't know that day i got to the final you don't when you're in the house you don't know because they announced it to you that night but i'm thinking there's only six of us left there's only six in the final they then they before the final they then sent us in they sent us in letters from our mothers and then they read they read a letter to me Colleen Nolan from you know that means women so Colleen's read the letter to me i was like why does Colleen have to read this letter because she's like a fucking mother anyway ain't she i love Colleen she's like Harvey and she talks like she's my mum and i know my mum went she said son keep doing well i'm getting she put sublim she goes i'm getting a lot of love out here on these streets from people keep it up enough and i didn't know i don't know what everyone's thinking at home and when i came out of big brother and i went on my twitter and my eyes was dizzy because the messages was i'd like two thousand messages yet and i pressed and i went scroll like this and i went how fake people are now everyone loves me uh i feel bad now for saying that about him i didn't know he was like this i didn't know he was like that he carried himself properly he was also respectful for when he talked about Alicia blah blah blah but you know my point James with no disrespect why the fuck do i have to justify myself to you i've always been this person you're defining my whole life by a mistake you're calling me a terrible person but when i read comments back in the day i used to be like i prick fucking loves himself i'm like you really don't know me how hard was that horrible because social media was just came to pop and yeah and they were brutal to me they were brutal to me what came down for the hets trolls everything check then it was just that's baby food to me because you're just calling me a cheat i'm used to getting death threats bro i'm used to hearing that gangster wants to proper real threats you know i mean so it was more like it was more of a mind fuck like you know like i said being at you know being at airports people giving me dirty looks fucking cheat i've heard shouted out a few times yeah so i'm just like this is fucking crazy and then watching like spending the time in an unreal environment big brother for three weeks and now you're telling me i'm a good person when i went into big brother girls screamed because you still have the girls at review and i could hear and as you all get towards brian brian's like are we coming i could hear i walked out they're screaming i're coming out my agent's ringing me hello want to do a photo shoot with you for 40 grand this one wants you that one wants you i'm going what now they want you and martin kemp legend to do celebrity wedding planner next when the bank's just going i've been on my fucking face for four years and that was it james changed your life again it just it just fucking it just changed no matter all your interviews and all your present you always come across as a good guy you always come at leaving after this and stuff we'll be friends we'll be tight 100% james man 100% anyway so you've got that persona and you've had your challenges but i think that's where people love you i think that's where people can relate people they all fucking make mistakes you're a good one don't you doing getting money fucking girls man like i'm still doing it so i just want to people make mistakes man i'm single no that's the only thing do you know i'm too scared to get a tax because i'm i'm a lot i love with everything so i'm scared that everything that i've bought goes to fuck yeah my energy will go somewhere else so just want to stay in the park but fair play if you're building yourself out and when you started getting yourself out that the people who'd fucked you over it start start creeping in again i'll try to keep in did that make you more stronger to go right fuck it but you see me um like anyone that knows me that you speak to like i don't trust people bro i'm very i'm very ignorant so i assume like my friends like people know me like there's friends that still don't know where i live do you understand but that's just the way i treat people is that because of the stabbing and stuff is really just of everything just of everything yeah everything i've been through so solid created i'm heightened my paranoia do you understand i'm saying that's not a bad thing yeah oh it's a good thing because i say to my friend here being paranoid is a good thing you know definitely but um i think yeah it was it was a lot my mental state and and everything and i had to change my life but when i knew i could rebuild james was that and get back to once i rebuilt and rebuilt i said to myself mate if i can go through this i can come back from anything because i've had women problems i've had problems on the streets i've had red top papers trying like i said um demonize my character yeah i've lost people i've had friends being killed i've lost family members what the fuck more can you do to me apart from me die and i'm not scared of that do you know what i mean and i don't mean that in a way of like a war story type of way i don't fear god i don't fear death james do you know what i mean i've had a fucking great life and i will continue to be a good person and raise my kids and show my kids the right example my children are not growing up how i grew up my son and my daughters are not growing up in an environment to be stabbed obviously things can happen in life it's where it goes it's gangsters everywhere there's drama everywhere do you know what i mean but if i've worked this hard to make them have a better life why the fuck do i want them to walk down the same street james yeah exactly do you understand why do i want them my son will learn how to box we come from a boxing family you don't need to war on the street to prove to people that you can fight yeah talking about fighting the mma things yeah sorry to my boy dapa last me sorry dapa me about fucking hell yeah but anybody that goes into a fucking ring even a boxing ring with a head guard on just fucking terrifying respect to it never mind getting into an mma ring not no head guard no fuck all knees kicks a lot is massive respect for that you came out swinging man they came out swinging you used good friends beforehand yeah i mean how was that then fighting them it was bizarre because do you know it's it's weird because this is what i realised what you didn't read james this is a no mystery the fighting is what i do yeah i ain't a gangster i ain't a gunman yeah but i will knock you out and i'm good at fighting it's my thing i've been good at bro you know what i mean so when the my boy has seen that he took it they was a bit like oh what's he done what's he's what's dapa doing you know do you know tamar hassan yeah tamar went on dapa's page and said no don't do it because tamar went what it is people take my kindness of weakness and yet again the mixed race thing so people my people has actually seen me kick off and flip and they're shot yeah i love a scrap i love a fucking do you feel as if you had to be faint because you had the charm the good looks yeah instantly feel as if you had something to prove all the time 100% because you see it when boys will be like every time they say things about so solid they will never say things about like mega on any street level or mac but it's always like romeo and harvey like i'd love to fucking weigh them two in or i'd love to like this so i'm like no problem no problem let's see how let's see how that goes for you do you know what i mean james i've never stabbed anyone in my life i've never shot no one you understand i'm saying everything i've done is done with these i've given out hiding hideings and i've also took them i've had a gun once in my life once in my fucking life and that was because of so solid paranoia i told my father do you understand my dad's friend who i can't name who you would know yeah who does this drove to my house yeah said what are you fucking doing with this you have a career yeah give me fucking back that quit me up in my house and said you don't fuck up your career do you understand because i wish i never used one of these whereas my life would be a lot more better and took the gun off me and that's the only time i've ever ever ever personally touched the firearms in my whole life and even when it was around me with people that i know i had no interest i'm like these things are dangerous man these things cause trauma to people's lives joneson i'm saying so yeah i don't think you could live with the pain of your heart taking another's man's life no i couldn't the same as me let the regret and the pain would be that i don't know if you had somebody who's a that's not a serial killer but he was heavily involved and he says there's few things to do when you kill someone he says the first thing is killing him he says that sees a part he says the second one is willing to be going to prison for the rest of your life but he says the third one and the most important one is living with it and he's like that because the majority of people who do murders are doing any sort of thing they're always high as well they're going to drink their drugs they won't do somebody cold blooded is a whole fucking different world game majority of people can't handle it same as why do you think everybody in the army end up with PTSD because as human beings we shouldn't be seeing violence but we're so ingrained from a young age to think that it's fucking normal my security man was in the army but let's pull downward one of the best security man i've ever had and he turned out to be one of my arm good friends i seen trauma for what he's seen in the army just by spending time with him not when he's doing the job just the effects up he's like pull what the that's all from the army watching his sleeping pattern because in the army he had to kill yeah and watching him i remember one time being in a hotel with him and he's literally falling asleep and he and i said what the fuck right it's the spirits and the devil and is all the things fucking with your mind and i am not listen the only way i am killing is if you trouble my fucking kids and wife bro yeah i gotta defend my house by any means necessary to understand but for me to wake up in the morning and go i'm gonna go kill someone i am not built for that shit mate it's not who i am yeah you know what i mean i'd never put out that image i'd never tell any kid to do that but you know what what's mad about it as you know james is so solid and things that you've seen yourself and the people that you've also had in this room james i've grown up around killers bro real fucking killers i'm from south london so even if you don't want to see these people you're going to see them not by trace but it becomes a part of your environment so if you live in the ghetto you're going to see a drug dealer you're going to see someone that has killed someone maybe they might not be here further down the line because they're doing life but this is my reality james girls on the game these are things that i've grown up around i didn't go down that path but every day i'm waking up in south london these are the things that i'm exposed to does that make me bad does that make me a gangster no it doesn't but that's my environment what do you want me to do about it my mum gave me enough sense and sensibility to handle myself on the streets i'm street wise i'm not a prick yeah and i know fully what's going on out here but did i want that that to be my path of life is that what i wanted to show my kids oh yeah your dad's got war stories and i was a gangster and i fucking shot people that's the weakest men the ones who hold burning knives they're wonderful people war stories do nothing for me james everybody's got them everybody's got pain in misery but for me it's the respect for the people who use that pain we can't change the pain of the past but what we can do is learn from it and that's key to me like don't fucking point fingers if you've got problems sort them out yourself like nobody's come to chap your door and say look harvey to give me your hand i'm going to save you not your brothers your sisters your mum your dad you need to fucking dig deep yourself 100 and you got out that darkness what was your life like then were you happy did you enjoy it more because it all fucked up shit that was involved in the last 15 years before it life was good man like you know it is like i remember it like i remember like getting you your nice flat back again um getting your cars back but obviously when you go back into it you go back into it with a wires ahead so you learn how to protect your money a lot more invest your money be sensible you don't value value the stupid things materialistics do you know what i mean you're more obviously i've got a daughter my first daughter at the time what is she 14 now she's 13 now my my baba so she's um that brought a different focus because now everything that i'm doing is for her so that leveled me out and then i've got um the music started doing well again the boys started we started to reform again we've done the reunion show 2013 we healed all our riffs it's nice to be back around the guys again like everyone's in a good space like mega's in a good space lisa Romeo everyone's older got kids no one's gives a shit about all that stuff no more like we're just like we're just trying to help the young the youngsters you know i um the people that i've got good relations relationships with um the stormsies um the youngins just trying to pass on knowledge to them like yo it's not worth it stay on the stay on the you know the good path and you have a career and respect it you have nothing to prove to the streets all the streets are going to do is just take you down a negative road yeah don't just stand killing that man he's up does his things for the streets he's on all his does his stuff and the homeless and stuff exactly he's stormsy is like you'd see stormsy around here all the time because he's close with my cousin yeah they're best friends so they're always together he's that normal geese is worth how much now and you'd literally see stormsy and back as he parked just with his mates yeah no literally no chain on you'd better you see a watch on him he treated himself to a watchtower that said fuck you know you bought something him with your millions you bought something but a sensible head knows it you know yourself yeah great jewelry and you got doing well but you don't wake up in the morning coming in your pants because you've got certain things but back in the day that's what we probably craved that's what i craved i done a lot of bad shit to get that yeah fucked it all through gambling but i thought i was the man if i had a nice watch yeah when you get all done people like i was in Dubai there and they had a nice watch on and some this is all you talk about materialistic stuff yeah and you're sitting there fucking setting the tight watch on and i was like you can still have good things i still like good things of course watches are investments is real i love my watches bro come on come on but it was this what people don't know about me too probably like chains i wore 10 years ago when the new these new set of chains come out i just like this i just like chains but you've never ever seen me talking about that shit on the internet or doing stupid shit i'm 41 years old what guy yeah yeah yeah people think you're fucking grown-ass man and you're a fucking father you prick but what it was james people don't realise i am a big watch lover so i actually go to the festival in switzerland like i just love watches so investment yeah i love it so i love the ap's i love that i'm back in the day when the techno marines the rollies i'm actually generally i'll know everything about watches you know i always go to people you always go in the same corners of getting usual the ap's the order mars and whatnot but i was like when i went to switzerland and i realised how intricate the watch game is yeah i was like yeah i'd love to i'd love to make watches and you realise how they hold value and the way they're built inside like it's it's like a fucking car because you think how can you get something that goes on your wrist and is worth more than a house did you down told you know down tol yes did you have who said this somebody had a one of his watches on yes i yeah not me though yeah but do you know down tol you know that his product serious isn't it watches serious started out his own watches yes watches are fucking class man so i just i just i generally just love watches that's why i want to think when the amount of drama in the gangster world that is caused over a watch you know what i mean do you know much listen do you know much footballers watches i've had to get back i'm like why do you wear it if you can't defend it the film industry is real i know you've done a few films do all that stuff how did you get into acting my first film because you've done plays as well yeah everything imagine it yeah you've done a lot of shit man yeah you've done a lot of shit when you say a boy from south London from the streets has done a musical how was that doing a musical we kid james what was it i loved it and you know what it's because i could write i learned about writing music and i'm working with deep people like android webers people and it was and the storyline was based on west side story so the singing and dancing you can understand why they got me because it was based on gangs do you know what i mean but it was amazing i got nominated for um best support actor in the west end but obviously it's understandable why i didn't win because patrick swaysie was in my character kevin spacey for um guys and dolls um i got the lowest votes but i was in the same car i've got it on my wall michael harvey kevin spacey patrick swaysie and even mendel from wicked what says rhodeson he was he was the man so that was amazing but the steven segol film in 2003 steven segol landed and you're gonna love you're gonna buzz off this so steven segol lands in england when he lands in england he sees my single poster so at the time of my single poster i got lent the jacket that blade war you know where's lee snipes so imagine they've sent me this jacket but they gave his cum special box and the guys had to come with it i can only wear it and they've got to take it back so i've wore the waistcoat that blades blade wears in blade one so basically i've got a single cover all around england of me like this on like that but i looked like a movie star the way they've shot it they've then seen my record label in the corner of the the poster so so imagine my agent rang me and gone they want so my dad's the manager at the time they want you to go for a casting for a steven segol film out for a kill so i've gone yeah good one when's jeremy beagle gonna come out yeah i thought it was a prank i've never had no i've never acted no acting experience in my life so my dad's gone they want you in tomorrow i'm like and do what he's like do an american accent god's honor i went home and listened to the first 50 cent album i don't know why listen to that because what the fuck's that got to do with acting yeah so i went in for the casting jeremy zimmerman this is the guy that changed my my life and jeremy zimmerman behind casting for batman all the big films he walked in there and i'm like this is proper this isn't it and he's gone in and he's gone read these lines i've absolutely blagged it james to me it's the worst american accent at that time that i've ever done i'm faking it mate so i've left it next time i'll get home my dad's gone they've just sent you sent an LOA a letter of intent that's what you get in movie world that means they want you for the role so what says yeah but i said dad is the mobo's tomorrow so it was the year after we won the mobo i said i've got to present an award he said they know that because literally after you present an award at the mobo's they're getting you a car it's a big inhale and you're getting on a chartered flight to bulgaria it's the most bizarre fucking thing james ever next year i'm on a flight with a leisure to bulgaria i'll never forget it because when i got on this flight the blackburn chairman was on my flight because it was a charter flight and the blackburn team because they was playing csk sofia i'm going what the fuck's going on anyway got to this set this one i realised our movie world work got to the set the production woman turned up here's your mobile phone we're taking you to this to this hotel here's your sides what you'll be shooting tomorrow i'm thinking that you know is this going to be a little you know a little role not with steven or anything it is this one-on-one me and him in the jail cell i've grown up with this fucking kid this guy james this kid this this legend out for a kill nico under siege i'm going no this is word so next day i'm sitting on my thing i'm like that of the pony too watch this now so i'm fun fuck i'm reading my lines i'm in my trailer they've put me in my own trailer i'm not used to this shit in i'm in music i am but because i'm like this is brilliant i'm in sofia on this derelict land next you know she's like steven sogo wants to meet you yeah this is gospel truth he's walking down a thing like this and he gets to my trailer and this is the first thing he says to me he looks at me like this and he goes are you the rapper so i went yeah he went i don't want you to be a fucking rapper and then he stared me out so i've gone well i'm not here to be a fucking rapper that's all i knew what to say back to him he looked at me like this and he went i like him i think he can prop us crap as well and everyone knows this so anyway shut the film shut the scene i've gone to him do you want to go through the lines he's gone like this i never fucking read lines i'm going so what do we do he goes we know the basis of the of the scene we just shoot it we've literally shot it within five minutes he's just got up and walked off i'm like what a ledge i spent four i spent four days with him in bulgaria in the chariot and hotel meaning became like this he's then invited me to his hotel room so imagine i mean this hotel room at night this is word he's in there with a guy that looks after him he's got a guy sitting outside his door with a gun and this is where you're going to know why he's got the gun so this is a bulgarian guy he's got another guy that's la pd that rolls with him and then he's got like two escorts in his room how this is the most random room i'm in so steven skull loves reggae so he's playing reggae in the room i'm rapping over the guitar i really hope you're interviewing one day because you're talking about this so i'm rapping i'm rapping steven skull's playing the guitar and me and him are buzzing off a channel like this and then he goes um he says to me i've met a lot he goes i've met a lot of genuine people in my life and that but he goes you're just a good kid man he goes i love you and blah blah blah next you know he asked me about my neck so i told him what happened next you know me and him were sizing up war rooms but after my neck i couldn't really go any further because he was like he was like well this is when i got shot in Yugoslavia this is when i got shot there this is when i got shot there i was like how many times have you been shot yeah loads of times now i realized the story this is going to trigger your memory so i go back home to Bulgaria he goes to me um when you come to los angeles make sure you ring me so six months later after i've shot the film i'm going to los angeles perfect i'm going to shoot a t4 special after i finished filming it steven skull sent me a car to pick me up now he's took me to his house in the hollywood hills it is the most bizarre thing so you're gonna laugh about everything because you're gonna read it so i've sat in this i've gone in his garden and then there's like a woman selling him selling him beads spiritual beads because he has spiritual beads you know he's very spiritual yeah he's always wearing their black robes and shirt yeah so me and him are laughing he's like michael how are you man he goes i'm going to take you for dinner i said yeah i'm cool because he calls me michael because i'm called steven man i mean him having a laugh he goes oh my daughter's was looking forward to you coming so he goes so one of his daughter starts speaking to me she's got his daughter keeps going to me say say say water so i'm going what some of that so i'm going water and she's cracking up and then she goes and steven goes yeah because my ex-wife her mum is english so i went what and he went you know who my ex-wife is harvey i went who you meant kelly lebroke the woman in red yeah james do you remember weird science they took your kids at that that fucking belter yes that's his ex-wife so i've gone she's english yeah yeah yeah so that was his daughter so that's why she's going oh i miss england how people say water yeah so i know it fucking helps you right so i've gone yeah i'll get it now watch this until this day no one's ever lived this no one he's gone i'm taking michael for dinner so as he said i'll take you michael for dinner his wife's then turned around and gone no steven no it's not safe it's not safe fucking holly no the la pd guy and the bulgarian guy i already know them from shooting the film so i'm like family to them but the bulgarian guy is the is his guy that's his shooter in it that's he's a licensed bodyguard and then the la pd guy can carry because they can in america so next you know i'm going why is he saying not safe we've then got in a be a misades with the security to go and eat food in la i've gotten a bomb proof car bomb then steven's gone yeah you know like the wife don't let me going out because you know the problem i've got with the gotys so i went and then it hit me oh shit i read about this and then he told me they gave him 100 grand didn't they to start his film career but he said that basically he'll give them back the money with interest when he makes it back which he did but then he's they've then tried to go to him i want 100 grand of you for every film that you've ever made he's gone do one so then the guys are now on to him in that time so now i'm sitting in the car and the guys are after me and it didn't hit me and then when it got back you can google it and never read about it and then i went oh fuck and he went yeah i've had problems with the gotys and i'm going yeah fair fucking play him for standing in his ground though but you know i realised why he's standing in his ground don't fuck with him do you think the triads that he's rolling with give a fuck yeah so the chinese guy i remember the guys that rolled with us there was a tag along car i i didn't ask too many questions but i knew why on the car was tagging along because it's a car feel like drawings just driving like this and i thought how are you even going to a restaurant and you got the gotys on you but it got resolved in the end i know they've sorted it out but i couldn't believe it the first time i've ever been in a bum proof car how many people i'd like to know where do you think now that looking back at your career and obviously still young and just thinking fuck me the actually talking about it now do you think fuck me i've actually done all right in my life sometimes i can't like me like like see because you loved it it's different yeah so even telling your stories about steven cigar and whatever you've done it's it's mad to think it from a boy from fucking bat i see it's bizarre yeah it's my my god cousin said to me um i'm like his hero and i went to a family christening in southeast london my god cousin said cousin i said what you went you actually realise what you've done just randomly just asking me that and i said i always say i give thanks to god and i worked extremely hard and i do look back but sometimes when i lie in my bed i look at the ceiling i think fucking hell like bro i can look at my career and go i've sold millions of records i've worked with steven cigar christina milian gabriel bern the reggae art is gypsian in my career i've sold out the o2 what more do i want that's why i don't understand how artist can be bitter or how artists can live in the past let's get it going up yeah i'm never going to be the same harvey that i was in terms of my musical success 15 years ago because it there's a reason why it's called the prime of your career james i'm so thankful my man till this day i'm so humbled and i'm so fucking thankful but don't get it twisted i fucking worked hard my man yeah i worked hard your mum will be proud of you 100 percent your mum will be proud man she would have seen a lot of kids getting killed and going through all the pain and misery she would have probably thought it was you especially getting stabbed in the neck so to see you her her baby son growing would have her only son james yeah so yeah to lose you it would have been fucking disastrous for her that so for her to watch you grow and do what you've got to do man she would be buzzing because everything like my mum's lost two brothers to mothers she's lost her husband to leukemia yeah i was a fuck up for 15 years man i was a lost soul drink drugs violence anger frustration so i was the only kind of man in her life who was a boy it's only the last two years i've become a man i'm still got a lot to learn i'm learning i'm learning there's no role models for me i don't look up to anybody that nobody gives me advice i need to fend for myself and educate myself 30 years in the streets to then seven years of knowledge understanding the brain and to make the changes but it's all for family that no matter the watches or the fame or the money it's all bullshit just for that only for achieve a goal with them to see that even you getting put up there with fucking patrick's ways ain't that just that getting put up for awards that moment so solid crew winning that's the moment where you're getting the tears that and but then it goes it disappears and that's what people don't understand you and it's what i said to people yeah you need to respect your career and you have to also respect the opportunity that you've been that you've been given and james one thing i always say is like the key no matter what i've done i don't hold no form of arrogance or form of ego because we've had our ego moments that comes with it but all i do this for is for my fucking children every day i wake up wake up out of bed that is my motivation and also to make my mum my mum turns 60 last week and just to make her life happy birthday easier thank you james man and because she's seen everything when i got stabbed you know the first phone call that my mum got got fine i put out i was dead she thought i was dead for three hours the pain she said i said to my mum the other day how did you feel mum and my mum said junior my whole world she says that my you know everyone knows my my mate that's gonna come and meet us later like he held my mum's hand and he's known in the area and he said my mum was shaking like she she kept shaking her foot and going please bring back my son please bring back my son he can't be dead he can't be dead imagine that it gives me chills talking about it that i put my mum through that yeah it put life is so precious man i'll try and say it like james that's why i don't fear like i don't like i don't fear i've sat in rooms with the top gangsters and they was going half in bed just make me laugh you're fun you're not scared to be yourself and i'll tell her man i don't even fuck about your reputation if i don't agree with what you're doing mate i'll just tell you straight don't mean we have to fucking but my path may not be your path but i also i respect it you know what i mean and i don't need to name drop like this what i like with i always say with me and romeo yeah we don't need to name drop anyone that's around us or anyone that protects us i can sit in reel of six names and people on camera be going oh fuck that's who's behind them but you know what some things are best left unsaid you know what because if you've got that then people behind you and you've got that power i hope that i don't need to ever use them type of people because i live a good life but just know yeah they're on call so when these people think we're idiots or they think that me and romeo are the easy targets good luck with that one yeah that silence is golden we spoke about that shit yeah yeah i don't need to do all the do this because what is like james like i see i see your platform yeah and i could always like i could like i'll probably gravitate to more of the old school gangsters in your platform because they tell the truth yeah old school gangsters everything then was really done done on morals and respect but the old old school gangster was all about looking after their community jumping back and gangsters gangsters deal with gangsters i don't respect the gangster that sits there and just tries to glorify everything what are you trying to sound like braveheart what are you what are you showing the kids that's gonna make them improve or change do you understand me sitting here for one hour telling war stories what is that doing for people's minds how am i now helping the young kids now that are going out there every day stabbing each other what what are you doing so when i'm sitting down with james english hopefully you fucking learnt something i'm not trying to glorify shit because all it done to me it made me lose a lot of friends and it had me lying in my own blood does that make me feel feel good does it make me any harder does it make me hard that i've been stabbed does it make me hard that i've been jail i'd rather have not sat in jail james how was it like in jail it was weird because it was a time when my career was fine but my personal life was just a mess was it still smoking a lot of weed then yeah do you know what i was it was weird james because you're gonna laugh you see when i smoke weed because i'm an athlete and everyone knows i'm you know i'm me out of class and i said if you see me my instagram i'm a fit guy but um i smoke what i can handle i don't i mean but what's that to the average person not i mean a few joints what do you know what is it pure skunk i'm a tobacco no because i'm a tobacco tobacco in my weed and you know what i have a break off skunk i like to smoke tire weed because tires is level but that's not a strong yeah but i'm a nighttime weed guy kids in bed glass of wine but jokes aside is like that that's i am because i know my limits and i love i love weed from my creative process because i write some sick lyrics on weed i like being creative and i love a spliff but when what was weird about the gel thing was because of all the women's stuff god had to slow me down and what i've done that day i was james i was this is only 2016 i was fucking banned from driving right i'll stitch myself up i should never have been in a car anyway but imagine this i've got my music up full volume and i've got my phone in my hand and the two policemen have walked past and that's when i knew about how police have got it in for so solid still oh still mate still 100% 100% because they was if they get a so solid member in their court they love it yeah so this one i knew and i realized it and my lawyer who's a serious lawyer said no they really got it in for you don't they and i went my music's up and the policeman's gone you're on your phone so i went but i got bluetooth from my car so i said i'm not in my phone mate i said my phone's in my hand but i'm not on my phone so he's just gone but then i what i've noticed he's clocked it's me so he's gone pull over i looked him like this james and i went fuck off and drove off yeah bro my address if nothing's linking to me's going to my mum or something yeah my mum goes junior i've had a riot van turned up at the house for you a riot van she went a riot van though she said to the police come on mate could have turned up in a normal car anyway i've had to hand myself in at a certain point because i've driven through like two different boroughs they've done it like two times driving on a band and like driving away from police that was the key into this case isn't it so i've then kicked out to la at the time i'm with the mother of my fucking second child like i've got madness going on with her i'm getting away from her i've had to kick out to la to go and record the christian emillian song i've recorded the song but as i'm landing back in gatwick there's like a dark cloud i'm like i've got a court case coming up i'm thinking there's no way in hell they're sending me gel i've got a big boy lawyer they've kept me in the court till four o'clock in the afternoon james my god do you know what i knew james yeah this feeling to this day makes me go uh i'm on my boys and it's been joey knows a feeling when they lock the dock and he went i don't forget it and i heard the keys and then the woman said all rise and then i heard the door was behind me and the door went and i went oh oh no mr harvey blah blah blah you're a role model to kids you should know better your your your your irresponsible with driving you'll be sentenced to three twelve weeks in wormwood scrubs i was like this do you know how deep it was i'll turn around like this yeah and the guy in the dock who had to take me downstairs to take me downstairs went yo brother i'm a big fan yeah i don't even want to put handcuffs on you you went can you just promise me you're not going to do anything i said brother i said don't put handcuffs on me because i'll peacefully walk downstairs he went no problem my mother do you know the first thing the so the police the journalists are in there the police are laughing with the journalist and the journalists and the magistrates are all laughing together it and and it you know it felt like james it felt like a setup they're all laughing together like when i'm even a day before i was already going gel because they had harvey from so solid so i'm like no problem so anyway i'll get to gel you know it goes yeah i said to the screw are you gonna put me in isolation because if people think they're gonna fucking target me just what i'm saying to like the screws no harvey don't worry they're done i said no i said cool we're gonna put you on b-wing i'm not fucking b-wing i've heard about b-wing so i'm like no worries they put me in a holding cell the first night i'm like now everyone's hit me my whole life on karma as it's gone a lot of time to reflect just had a fucking baby too which which wasn't planned it was all madness going on as you know this is fucking carnage next day a serious head comes to my cell serious head let's say his name the person that's called the serious head is lisa my brother's in gel make sure he's all right so i'll fucking give Lisa the utmost respect make sure he's all right 10 minutes later this guy's come back to myself anything you need you good yeah listen he's a pillowcase shower gel put noodles and that goes in gel chocolate yeah after the first few days learning how to learning how gel works first i'm going to say to anyone gel is a mugs game so fucking boring boring i stayed five weeks in there and the guys that i met everyone on b-wing i want to beat them up in wormwood scrubs yeah because the love that all the boys showed me in there and the way that that they treated me from the screws nothing but respect for everyone i've got on with turkish mafia polish man travelers because once everyone got there with me there was like Harvey's humble and in gel keep yourself to yourself do you not one gangster said to me in there what the fuck are you doing in here with us you're too talented i said i know he said they made an example of you though bro do you know what i mean i've got my nut down i've got myself a job in the kitchen and it's a cook for scrubs so anyone that apple crumbled in wormwood scrubs that was me baby what was it like coming out and even though a few weeks in the gel but it is very humble and to realise how close it is to being in there like one incident one fight one scrap one punch it's easy to get life off literally do you not i mean especially if you're saying so solitaire everybody in so solitaire has been in prison or been charged with something everyone minus lisa yeah because and hopefully she's the fucking woman she's oh yeah she walked away from a court case last yeah so i know at least everybody's lisa's lisa's had to weigh a few people in you get me because now the girls want to try it with her and lisa can fucking fight boy right i'll see lisa wrap up some people man i'm like get in there mafia but um it was mad but when i came out that was the that was the change that was the full change that's like now where it just brought me my ultimate peace and happiness because like i said my mum just said he's got to stop now everything you know you don't want to kill your own career because you've got so much good things happening to you and um it was nice with this one because when i came out of jail the red top papers was usually being their usual hateful towards me and calling me a calling me this and that and enjoying enjoying my downfall but actual industry supported me because they was like he's been absolutely stitched jail this boy's record my criminal record james is shit you know i mean driving fighting back in the day what do you do like nothing that's going to rock the boat like nothing like bronson you know you are fucking laugh funny enough how weird is this the first time i watched bronson was in jail how weird is that i was like this is quality feel but it's nice when you're waking up in jail guy was that a tom hardy one yes the tom hardy one which was good so that was it and that's when from that day you know i came out of jail a week four days later i'm doing red bull culture clash in front of 25 000 people had to sign a contract in jail my nan dies three days later so i don't hear that thank you james my name's a mad fucking time and then six months later my stepfather goes and i'm carrying his coffin and i said this is god telling me something jail a marriage that shouldn't have been in with a girl that's had had my beautiful daughter walked out of a a marriage that should never have happened grand granddad i think you need to wake up of god's telling you something so god went you're going to scrubs you know why you're going to fucking scrubs you because you're going to learn to slow your fucking self down and you know what that five weeks taught me taught me to respect everything everything that i'm doing enjoy the process enjoy the process and i've came out six months later i got on a plane because um i went i flew out to iB for to do a show came back had a good chat with a guy in Battersea that's like my mentor he's like he's like a raster and he said that um just have a break my mum said have a break from women learn to love yourself with what you love anyone else had two years break got on a plane to do a show and do by it with my son's godfather big up otm i said to him on the plane now i'm having a break from women i'm just concentrating on the kids and my career famous last words i met my wife all in love i've been together fucking for nearly five years and she's like she is the rock of all rocks james there's no woman like her she's lived it too because like i said uh you know her brother done 10 she comes from a tough family in wolverhampton she knows how it goes she'll see for your bullshit yep she knows how it goes she also knows how womanizing men move and she helped me heal she helped me be great again i would never ever disrespect her and my kids that's all women want never and that's all men seem to fucking do never the girlfriend that fucked over that you've all we've always got a good intentions yeah but then something fucking happens we're manipulators as well and that's why a lot of stuff i'm trying to work on is to heal and then to truly love yourself to then i believe you can truly love 100 which is important but and as a best put of advice that she gave me she's been your rock then you've you look happy everything you're doing yeah life's good yeah so what's the plans for the future then a lot man so the biggest thing that's going to obviously get everyone is that we we got a so solid documentary coming out when's that brought next year so it was i would because of covid i'm not going to say to the 2022 but um it's with a massive company a massive channel and i think it's the right time because people need to see the true story and it's going to be good because it's going to cover both sides so they're going to speak to people that try to ban us authorities it's not just going to be like based on the it's going to be like you know the negative and positive so solid and um currently obviously start shooting a film again in two months i can't wait to be back on a film set that's going to it's going to be it's going to be a great feeling again and life's just good obviously i've got the clothing range trono that's doing your own podcast which people plug that's right yeah that's right see you thank you thank you james man so just enjoying life james man um you know just with me and the missus we're moving again we're buying another James i'm i'm moving to a farm bro yeah that's class that's when you know you're fucking doing with me yeah like i want to be from old bill shot yeah because i said that in my older life i just want to like i goes i just want to be on a farm where i've got my own because of people know my dealings with with um with football i still at the moment james like i don't like to call myself an agent because i don't like what agents represent yeah scumbags some of them they're scumbags so and i've played football so a lot of players that you're watching in league one and league two i've got a lot of their deals because i've got good relationships with a manager fucking bag money in those yeah well you dare you know so um big uploads of people as you know people know people at danny simpson he's now signed for bristol um football at danny simpson yeah um it's my close friend hayden mullins my is my best friend he's now got the coldchester manager's job so i'm very active in in football at the moment hayden's funny enough called me on saturday he wants me to go to the game tomorrow to sit with my ipad and do some notes in the stand he wants me to watch the game for my overview because he knows how well my knowledge of the game is so i've been doing a lot of work with football and i'm just enjoying life i want to be on a you know as i said we're on the farm with my kids with loads of dogs and i'm the same activation just being a i want to do this for five years yep there you go there you go make a few million just done of you and people all fortunate as well i'll rise i'll go with the right ones make my money and i'm out fuck he's all my life your documentary your documentary is going to kick off done yeah so i'm going to create so many documentaries so i'll create probably about 10 within this five years and everyone will be next level master these interviews will be watched 20 30 years time so even those songs in that are timeless so solid through the 20 ones it's timeless 100 and you're still fucking jamming so these interviews will be watched 20 30 years down the line as well some of these interviews will be timeless to people some of them will get watched in school as well even of course people get inspiration watching you know now it can be fucking done it's correct you're saying it's not easy it's not just a case of flashing tits and assing and money money it's a hard grind the easiest part is actually going on the stage and singing the songs is everything around it the bullshit and why hey why do you like with music music it wasn't like we're in football you can answer back in a couple of days can't you because you can go and score a goal it could be like fuck you lot yeah but in music man you just got to sit there and be like go wait to wait for people because music you get reviewed they're reviewing your song they're reviewing your persona they're reviewing your character so i hate you just put me in a job where i just got to get reviewed all the time and then people make up their own and you know opinions everybody's got an opinion now now what was it when you were getting banned from gigs and gigs were getting cancelled could you understand why they were cancelled and with the violence that was coming with it or were you very not anti authority but against them because you're fucking with let's have what's both ways as well doesn't it the socially concert that's the authorities fuck them because there's no need to cancel our main tour because that was a tour in auditoriums famous auditoriums that you know you know the famous sse in Glasgow from where you're from um Wembley um kentish town these are big venues they know we we already said that have police at the venues we had a team of security that you're not gonna fuck with yeah but they knew that we'd make a million pound each and they didn't want want us to accumulate that money to have that power because they said that we was an organised music gang do you know what i mean just like every group but do you know what i mean james how long has this been going on this has been going on from nwa this has been going on from public enemy this has been going on from fucking Wu-Tang clan so i was like you lot are still doing this shit oh they're now organised gangs a lot of racism involved 100% how hard was that then oh it didn't fuck all change but yeah it's still the fucking same yeah it's still the same like when literally any socially member that goes to court depends on the judge and you can tell as soon as the judge walks out as soon as i when i got sent to jail the woman that walked out she just had it in for me no matter what my my lawyer was presenting in my case to me she was just like do you know what i mean you're not even trying to hear any logics in this what you've done you've gone home with your husband and you've googled so solid and all you've seen is cancelled concerts firearms the usual stereotypical fucking shit to say about a black tallyed group blame the streets blame where we come from james so a load of bollocks mate i refuse to be don't stereotype me don't put me in a fucking box you're a white man from scotland so i don't look at your colour i look i look at how you treat me i look at your energy i don't see colour i'll see you just being a good man yeah but i've suffered it all my life james i've got family from Liverpool i've got family from Plymouth i've got family from Cardiff i used to go to all these places for six weeks holiday i did not learn to fight in London i learnt to fight in Plymouth because that's a navy town they use these just like when you go to Scotland my friends that are from Glasgow they're all hard Scottish man can fight it's only in London people are quick to yeah pussies fight there's no harm in fighting and getting beaten up you win some you lose some i'm not scared to lose a fight bro that's just the naid that's just the belly of the beast so i've seen all-man racism when i used to go to Plymouth i was like my cousin's a mixed race and like my cousins used to have arguments people would be like you're fucking nigger i'd be like what but it was normal to them to the point that they would get called a nigger except that so in Plymouth that's why people knew me in Plymouth because i used to be smashing up all the boys you what hold that hold that because i come from london mentality you can't call someone a nigger in the streets that i come from and get the fuck away with it do you understand black people and white people in the hood are integrated we're all one asian people we're all one my asian guy that's my asian nigger you get me that's my white nigger because we're integrated we don't see all that bullshit but when i went out of London that's when i noticed it like Plymouth Cardiff Liverpool right he's some real racist there and you think used to be confused especially like Liverpool Liverpool was a very big multicultural environment but so many different so you got to somewhere like Hyatton in Liverpool fucking racist and you're like this is weird because you've got Somalians in Liverpool because a lot of Somalians docked in Cardiff in Liverpool because it has docks our but dock Cardiff dock so i was confused how it became more racist the further up north i went how did you deal with that growing up just constantly fighting as i come out stage we ignore these people are weak though yeah um when you're young you're hotheaded you don't you know obviously now i'm trying to defend yourself yeah you just think you look at it as an insult but then also when i was a kid i got racially attacked in Captain Junction station but i fought my aunt with these guys and i never ever forget it i'm big up Keith Chin man my dude that came from the station at the right time yeah but yeah we were just walking with your station these guys were like what are you looking at you're black bastard one of my mates that i'm with one of my boys that i'm with at the time um George he's doing bird right now so it'd be out soon um they've kind of followed us down this alleyway near Clapham Junction station and obviously George is not really much of a fighter man do you know what i mean so we're kicking off with these guys so i'm smashing the life out of this guy and then one of the guys is on top of my friend but he's doing this so i thought he was stabbing him so George's like junior and he's that he's screamed to his waist so like gone over to that guy i dealt with him but um now two of them have then turned on me so i'm like fucking on it's coming from both angles now and luckily Keith Chin my mate was with him he's a hard bastard too he was just literally walking home from the station at the time and i don't know where Keith come from mate but he came out of nowhere and let's just say after that they were both sleeping do you feel blessed as well to have survived a lot you seem protected by whatever the fuck's out there in it yeah do you feel blessed and guided by something your mum pray a lot candles mum mum prays all the time but something's protected you to get you your misery like it's i don't know i don't know there's everybody's got different beliefs and different gods but i definitely believe there's something out there that my grandfather guides somebody you know i'm from Sierra Leone yeah um i had a kid in here some capital had yeah had the capital the capital you see yeah yeah yeah so Leone boy and then like i said people fucking Sam Walker's got Sierra Leone ties the guy from Liverpool was involved i'm like what the fuck like you'd never judge someone's journey you might think that's a white man but he's got Sierra Leone in him well i had db 40 on yesterday as well and um Ali Campbell and the man legends man but they when they used to go to their concerts man but people with the bottles they're spitting they're throwing urinate urine on them fucking nuts man it's fucking crazy people can accept that and that's was the 80s and that was when that was the punk rocker culture and things like that skinheads and stuff yeah so they suffered badly yeah bad time and when you're doing that the way they look to it didn't go with the music so but like i said everyone knows like my family my aunties in Sierra Leone my mother do you know what i mean like i know i know i was blessed you know what i mean because when your heart's good james no matter what people say about you yeah it'll always shine through well you understand i'm saying so and i remember i've got um one of my bona fide friends who's um very serious out here in the streets he's a very spiritual guy said to me harvey go through and do what the fuck you want to do and concentrate on your career yeah your blessings and your energy is surrounded with goodness bro so you're a good guy you know what i mean you don't have your soul's not evil you know what i'm saying he said just get on with it don't worry about all this bullshit out here just keep on flying and the amount of chances that i've had i went up like i said when i respected karma james that's when my life became beautiful you know what i mean you you you are a you make your own path sometimes don't you yeah so if you want to go if you want to go and follow the devil don't know when the devil comes back and bites you and you're fucking off do you understand and you always will as we both know because characters like me and you we've lived on the edge and we make pushing the boundaries we've pushed the boundaries and i'm not bad guys though like we're not bad guys i'm not bad guys all my friends were killers and stabbers and sure as i was the funny guy i just love shagging pussy and talking and making money and because i always think man fuck they used to thrive on going to prison so they could have badge i used to think fuck that that's that's that's two years of our pussy it's bad so but that's not funny that's so funny one thing i'll do like all my all the boys that have grown up in south london that know me if you want to if go to harvey's events it's just girls i need one of those events no my boys go you go to harvey's events yeah there's no fighting there's no negativity i don't james i choose my i choose my surroundings and the energies that i have around me yeah it's my world yeah and there's not a rulebook saying that you have to have negative people around you but every time my boys i remember when i woke up on my 40th birthday and i was like that one's in that room that one ended up sleeping with that one i was like that's all i want people to do is be shagging and getting drunk i don't want no fights i don't want and every i woke up and people was messaging me like mc bushkin for the heart on the screw he said harvey that was one of the best nights i've ever had you know friends getting with other friends you know all that shit and i just loved it because no drama aside listen this is my fucking journey mate and you can have your opinion on it but you ain't walked in my fucking shoes so you can't tell me shit about my journey because i've lived it so i respect people that have opinion on it but i'm blessed i'm 41 years old and i've got the story to tell and now i'm just going to share it with my kids and just not just let them do it who's the best person you've ever done of yours spikely yeah he's a legend but yeah that's on my instagram why was that because i felt like he he comes from the same place as me and i also respect them because he had the industry turned their back on him and when he made all these films in his early days it was all done independently and i know that a lot of it was done with some dodgy money and that and so when he started to build up his film career he invested in himself no one would invest in a black film with spikely back in the day and then he made do the right thing and i just love what he stands for and i also love that at the time when you wasn't seeing a lot of black stars he was bringing him through denzel washington was in his first film for queen and country hally berries being been in a spikely film he's a pioneer to me of of the directing game especially in the culture when like you said you know black films wasn't big in the hollywood market around them times i had something i don't know i can't remember who it was just a couple of weeks ago and they were doing the acting but they says look kid there's no point in doing it because scripts now aren't for black people oh no i was like what yeah it's a what a thing in it like i've been waiting for a script the last film i shot was in 2013 with gabriel burn and leo gregory right and i've had i've had some script sent to me and i'm like what are these scripts man like he's wrong bro no he was he when they played the Britain last year look at that yeah and that's what he says he said he was doing the acting he says there's no scripts he's like what and how was that works out he's so many the the talented but then he's talented actors like densel washington the fucking greatest actors of all time and these guys you've got to think to yourselves like they're legends so just for him and him and jackie jackie chan i live with jackie chan jackie chan was good fun was that for rush hour rush hour the first one and but you know the most moodiest person i've interviewed two moody people christian aglera was horrible well shit nice horrible man um ednawn was weird wasn't horrible yes oh yeah yeah yeah i think he's like me for that yeah he's good barry pepper was good you know barry pepper barry pepper was top man and um jennifer lopers was class scroll down my instagram today and you can see that on there what is all your social what is all your social media is hoaking people get a hold of you so my social media is is um at harvey official that's everything that is my um my twitter and instagram my snapchat is um harvey ssc so harvey social group but broken down to ssc what about the podcast that you're doing now all right so the podcast that i'm doing that's going to be launching on sbtv so everyone knows jamal edwards pick up jamal and isac um i'm going to be launching that man so do you know is you're going to see me just enjoying myself bro do you know what i mean like just talking about life top life top is not going to be too heavy but people it's not going to just we're not we're also not going to have guests is this going to be like just having banter just like me we are talking just dealing with what about your youtube channel harv at harvey official the same now so that's it like you literally the links on in my bio now so because people are just starting to subscribe now to it right so because i've only just started it fresh um so yeah people all night he's starting to leave everything in the description yeah what else can we finish up on bro one last question what's the script with her book then the fucking life that you've lived man that would be that's a classic man you've got a best seller well the thing is i was going to i was going to go down the book line but then when i sat down with a very wise man that's deep in the game he says that we need to make a film on you so what i've done that ain't a film yeah because he said it's what's why a film on me would be good because it's showing the kids how you can how you can rise and fall and get to where you've got to need to because people people think like you know that the sad kid that bless his soul that got released by man city and ended his life i wish i could have been let's go kid is only one failure you can come back you can do it again you can rebuild just because one door shuts there's a million other doors to open so i just want to show kids that you can come back from anything true warriors of all through adversity don't let i let in the world swallow me james no you can't man because how many times do you get abusers and the man says i could have been a contender i could have been a footballer you know when you fucked up exactly i didn't want to be 40s and 50s and saying i could have been someone so i made the changes in my fairies exactly because i know where i fucked up the drinks the drums the gambling the lying the cheating the stealing that's where i fucked up soon as i cut all them out my frequency become sharper and then what happens is you're big into energies like me yeah yeah but what happened was when i had ideas i didn't need to ask any cunt yeah because when i had to ask people they would talk me out their ideas that's right because they've not got my vision they've got your mindset james so fuck it never always say to someone never go to advice to someone that's never done what you done or share the same goals if you're trying to kill my vision like i've got one of my powers in powers in this room right now you're sitting there meaning yeah we'd be sending crazy messages at one third in the morning because he's inspirational he loves life he's inspired he ain't scared to try something different try something new he might say ten silly things but one of them's good that's the people i have in my side all my business partners are asian and white and it's weird because they inspire me every day do you know why when we talk they don't talk gangster stories they don't they don't bring negative energy into my world i'm only having people around me and next to my side that inspire me yeah and that share the same vision keep your negative also in your negative thoughts out of my fucking world do you know what i mean and go and sit in your miserable corner with your miserable people whoever you are not for me love it brother come on in dany honestly i'll follow you enjoy that great story man honestly no thank you thank you i really appreciate it can't wait to see what you do for the future thank you brother bless to your wife your mother thank you kids same to you this is only the beginning brother thanks a lot brother cheers thank you check out more of my podcasts on the right and be sure to like share and comment your thoughts on this week's podcast 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