 Probably meeting to order at 534. First time on our agenda is public comment. I've been up to any members of the public who have something to add to our meeting, which is not on the agenda. Seeing no public comment, I'll entertain a motion. Larry, this is Sonny Holt. Hey, Sonny. Yeah. I sent Trini a letter I got from someone who wants to join the Planning Commission. I don't know if that's been disseminated to the select board or not. Yeah. Yes. We have that and we have an appointment section of our agenda existing, so we're just going to add it to that. Okay. Super. Thank you. Thank you. Prove of the agenda. Move to approve. I'll second. All in favor. Aye. Consent calendar. I'll move to approve the Ascent Consent Calendar. Second. All in favor. Aye. Passes. Move on to our first item of business, which is the Jeter. Yeah. So Chris, Chris Jeter is here with us too. I'm going to do a little share screen so we can, you put up what was on, oops, sorry. Yeah, I'm still, should be open, right? Chris, if you wanted to start talking, will I figure out what I'm doing wrong here? So we had talked about at the last select board meeting, we informed the board that our Jeter was on its way out. We've assembled four quotes from four different companies. I don't have the sheet in front of me, but they ranged from, oh, there it is, high 90s to about 120. We had a series of things in talking with the different companies and different options that would help us with various jobs and also avoid having to hire certain contractors for certain things. And labeled those out. And then this, the one from HotJetUSA, was kind of hit all the main points. But one of the biggest things is their turnaround time right now. All these companies use kind of the same idea of a pump and they have two or they had two on the shelf when we formulated a spreadsheet. I do not know if they still have one on the shelf or not, but that was the reason why they could do such a quick turnaround time. If both of those pumps are sold, their turnaround time falls in with everyone else's. But they had the heat set up, the anti-free system, which was standard on theirs, it wasn't extra money, and just a whole array of different stuff that would help. The Aero board, which is a safety feature to help kind of guide traffic. Chris, can you just explain briefly what a Jeter is? I think I may have not been at the meeting when you might have spoken to this. So yeah, we use it to clear the line to get the lines flowing again. Okay. We also use it for maintenance to keep the lines clean. We have various trouble lines that have either low flow or sags and to avoid backups in the basements and whatnot. We clean them out regularly with the Jeter. Right now, we're not doing too much of that because the pump on our Jeter blew a seal, which means that it's kind of riding on something and it pumps a bunch of water out and we're just trying to nurse it until we can get on the other end of this. Mm-hmm. Thank you. Could this be used to clean out culverts? Could be, right, Chris? The heat and the Jeter, we've used it before for culverts and could it be on that? Yes, that is correct. That was one of the big advantages to the heat last winter, both the highway and us. We had some sewer lines, shallow sewer lines that froze, and the highway had a couple of frozen culverts. We were able to get through them with the cold water, but the heat, if you had hot water to hit it with, it would clean both out much, much faster rather than a couple of hours and probably be done 20 minutes to a half hour. Chris, on the first two models that are listed there, there's one says for hot water, it says yes, 146 degrees Fahrenheit. The other one says yes, plus 22. Does that mean it just has the capability to add 22 degrees to whatever the water temperature is coming out of? So we could not get the... So the hot jet one, they are confirming that theirs will add 22 degrees at the 40 gallons per minute at 2,000 PSI. The others could not confirm or deny that spec on their end. That was kind of a big thing. And actually, hot jet with that final price actually added a second burner. So in reality, they can get 44 degrees, but the single burner is the 22 degrees. Now, we also have the option to return it at a lower PSI into the tank so we can heat the tank up relatively quickly. But yes, what you're saying Larry is correct. It heats it up 20... So if the water is at 70 degrees, it heats it up to 92 degrees on the first pass at the 40 gallons per minute flow rate. But when you're saying that the actual one that we get would actually be plus 44 at that same price? Correct. And this one, the hot jet has a turning turret and the American jet it does not. How important is that to you? So for right now, we do not have a turning turret. When you try to flush a line to probably flush a line and pull it, it's nice to have the reel feed in the proper way. It gives it your hydraulics the best strength. Also, you don't have... You can park with traffic rather than opposite traffic or having to try to run a line on a lateral away from it. Just to give an example, at the town office, there's a main line that crosses across the municipal parking lot from Summer Street. In order to flush that line, we actually got to go at a 90 degree angle basically and it's not ideal with our current setup. A rotating turret, it comes off and it allows you to get the proper angle and properly flush the line. No. Okay, so you're saying if you don't have the turning capability, you actually need to park the machine in the right direction so it'll go where you want it. Right, to get the proper hydraulic pressure out of pulling and running the hose, yes. Chris, what does the antifreeze system do? So what it does is it allows us to put our RV antifreeze into it so when we're done with it, we can run the antifreeze through the hoses and stuff like that. So if we're transporting it in the middle of the night, say in January, February, when it's 20 below, stuff won't freeze up. Right now, we typically fire it up and try to return it, but we also do our best not to have the jetter outside for very long in the middle of the winter like that. Just so components don't freeze up because some of the orifices are very small lines and so by running the antifreeze, it avoids that problem. Anything else we should know? I think all things considered, looking at this graphic that Chris has provided that clearly looks like the hot jet is the most economical and efficient option for us given all the specs here. It looks like we had to do with the loader and the roller recently in terms of available funds in the various reserves. The idea would be to try to lease finance this so this is at least to own same kind of five year time period to match what's statutorily allowed. And there are some third party vendors that or other partners that the equipment manufacturers work with. There's also a lease to own outfit, headquarters in Grand Isle, a lot of towns, cities have done business with over here. So we'd look for whatever sort of the best rate combination was. There's a little different than the loader where Caterpillar and Deer and those types have sort of these well-established lease programs kind of in-house. This one would be either a third party or somebody like municipal lease consulting. We'll try to figure out which ones offers. Chris or Trevor, what's the expected life expectancy of the JETR? So, our current one was built in 99 or it was built in 99, the town received it in 2000. And it's still alive. The biggest issue is a lot of the components that are outdated to the point where they're not able to be repaired or replaced. You did remind me about one thing that I liked about that we liked about the HotJet versus the other three. So HotJet doesn't make their own trailer. They go and buy a utility trailer and put all the stuff on the trailer itself. So, say in 10 to 15 years, the trailer itself is rotting out or a problem. Either we can hire HotJet to come out and do it or we can do it ourselves. We'd be able to take the components off the trailer and bolt it on to another trailer rather than buying a specific trailer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All things considered, that sounds like the best option. If we're ready for a motion, I would move that we authorize Chris and the staff to pursue financing options on the HotJet USA JETR. Are we asking them to go forward or to purchase just to come back with another presentation? If we could go, we still may need your authorization to accept the financing proposal, but this is the order in, work that piece out and the timeline should be good so we can maybe hold the pump. If there's one on the shelves, keep that timeline and then we'll do sort of an accelerated mini RFP basically to try to get an idea in terms of what's kind of the best option, what's cost-effective for us. Okay. I'll go around quickly. So would you like me to amend my motion then to authorize us to look into the financing options with a view towards maybe approving something at the December meeting? Maybe approving the finance vehicle at the December meeting. Right, right. I'll make that motion then that we authorize exploration of financing options. And continue upon making a decision at the December meeting. Second. All in favor? All right. Okay. She passes. Chris, before you go, does our current general have any value once we're done using it? So we were thinking about, if we weren't real sure what we're gonna do with it, but we were thinking about maybe stripping it and trying to make like a utility trailer out of it, put some tools and parts and stuff into it. I mean, right now it's still quote unquote works, but it's gonna cost about 15 to 20,000 just to get someone up to attempt to fix, to rebuild the pump. And if they were to do that, there's no guarantee because they can't buy new pistons for it. So they fixed it and maybe the seal holds and maybe it doesn't. So it might have some trade-in value to some of them, but we hadn't really explored that option too much as a lot of them are like it. It's current superseded model came out in 2005 and that model uses kind of similar components to today whereas they just completely outdated what's on ours. Okay. Thank you, Chris. Thanks, Chris. Thank you. All right. So we'll move on to the charging station. I'm not pleased with that agreement. So Mark is here and I think Jerry's here at least for this topic too. This goes back to, you looked at a variation of this proposal back late winter at around town meeting where all the infrastructure would have been in the town a lot on South Pleasant. This is sort of what I think of as the original idea goes back where the charging stations are on private property and really what the town's being asked for at this point is would we host or allow for the various parties involved through sort of an easing agreement to place a concrete pad with some of the ancillary equipment into that town a lot and I'll pull up the site plans and then turn it over maybe to Mark or Jerry want to do. I'm going to put up the one that was listed as number one first and if you want the other one, let me know. I can switch between them. So as I mentioned, here's the sort of town a lot. You can see I think the difference is going to be the two configurations with the parking sort of where the arrow is. This is sort of a pull in space. In each case, the I suggest if I can I think it just goes straight to option two. Option one is dead. That makes it easy then. So this is option two. You can see where it's moved a little bit with the parking stations here. They're over here on the private property. Still the same place and layout for the electric pad and it's accessories. It's four by 12 unit. It's technically in our lot. As you can see it's well outside of any area of impact for the parking lot. We're tying to the infrastructure right here. So really what it is, is showing this conceptually. Seeing if there are any questions. And then pursuing whatever the right easement. We've been calling it an easement agreement. I mean, really would be to sort of an allow some sort of agreement to allow that infrastructure to be there and sort of define the things we talked about back. In that earlier meeting, such as liability for equipment, those types of pieces. Mark has worked with the bling folks and others on sort of stripping down some of that language to make it. Hopefully reflect the simplicity of what we're being asked and really what we're offered. So. So just to be clear, the, the, the, the charging units themselves are on a private property, but the essentially the, the hardware that will be powering those are in the easement area. Is that accurate? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's four by 12 pad. Yeah. You have some of the. Right. Right. Yeah. It would be under underground, right? Kind of up through here to FIFA stations and guessing kind of almost looks like it's. Right. Yeah. Another underground to the pole that's shown next. And it looks like there's two level, two chargers and two high speed chargers. Is that accurate? Yes. Right. And I'm just curious. I'm an EV owner. So I kind of know the ropes of this a little bit. Who will be the, will it be charge point or EV go? Who will be the provider for these? Do we know that yet? Or. It'd be blink solar, right? Oh, okay. The provider. Yes. Blink is blink. Okay. They're kind of a newcomer to the. Yeah. So. Can I speak for a moment? Sure. Sure. So, so Blake has, has worked with the state over the past year. And they've, they've built quite an agreement where. They want to have 10. 10 stations in the state of Vermont. And they chose Randolph for one of those stations of course. And this came before the board earlier this year. And they're. What's significant about this one is it does have the level three, which is a, about a 25 minute. Charge to get up to that 80% capacity, which is supposed to be pretty much like the sweet spot for a vehicle. And so the, there were issues with the, with the contract, the terms of the contract that was. It was very broad and of course, like most contracts are when you start, it was heavily weighted to blink and, but they were extraordinarily open to redlining, like the vast majority of that. However, the original process was. There was going to be more liability to the town, which people just, it was just. The select board had, there was some resistance. The, in talking to Jerry. And in an attempt to try to. To make an impact. Development in the community. Jerry's worked with. It's all of the condo association owners. And for the most part, there's, there's, and Jerry, I'll let you speak to this. There's agreement that this is a project that. Would be a win for everybody, including the town, including the, the digital ecosystem that we're building in the community. And so, and, and blank. It's a good time for us to strike the deal. Because the contract. The terms of the contract with the state mean, have this the end of December as an end date for it. So in other words, they're very, they're interested in negotiating and getting this done. So Jerry's done a tremendous amount of work negotiating. The site plan shows the, you know, the details. And this is, this is. From an economic development standpoint, this is a really fantastic opportunity for us to. To show the importance of the relationship between the private and the public sector to get a deal done. And so Trevor, what are we, what are we being asked to do to, to write it out tonight? Essentially it's wanted to show you this sort of return in idea or revised idea. And then if folks are okay with it, we'll work over the next month or so to create that. I keep calling it a hosting agreement for lack of a better or an easement. On that piece and bring that back for action in December. And it still fits those timelines, but as long as everybody's okay with the, or the rough, because it was really, yeah, because it was really the, the, the details of the contract, which kind of made this not go. Right. The last time wasn't so much. The general, like, yeah, where is it going to happen physically? Yeah. The legal part of it. Right. The, the thing. Yeah. The idea had broad support in any sort of configuration. It was, yeah. Some of the logistical. Legal entanglements. Can you elaborate a little bit or maybe Mark on it? It says here in the board packet. An idea was considered to ask for the ability to charge any municipal fleet vehicles at the stations at no cost in exchange. Okay. Can you elaborate on that a little bit and whether that's still. Hard of the consideration. Yeah, that was part of some of the earlier drafting and some conversations we had internally. It was sort of that idea for, I mean, there's an inherent public good and Mark talked on some of the economic value in terms of, from a travel and tourism element and also supporting the system project. So the question was really, do we need to consider for something of this scale? Should there be some other. Public good, some direct public good. So the idea we had that was sort of low threshold. It was, it was, it was, it was a very much kind of a tie in the sky spitball. We know what we electrified parts of the fleet, if at all. And really the more I think about it just from a practical, if we do, we're probably going to have that charging infrastructure at whatever that works site. Right. Right. And so I don't, I don't know that it's a viable thing. I don't know that we. I certainly need to answer anything. It was just one of those things in thinking back to that earlier conversations with the other ones. At least to touch the basis of, of. Do you need anything for playing host? And if it's really just. You know, partnership collaboration and the inherent benefits of it. And that's, that's more than enough. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So to your point, Larry, about what. Kind of the impediment was last time. Yeah. I mean, I mean, I mean, it was partly what you said, but also I got the impression that. The town was kind of stuck on how to, or whether they. Whether they need to offer to do an easement at all. And for how to do that. Which is a need a lawyer that need professional language. And so if we can simplify it and just call it an agreement. It seems like it's fine to me. And as far as the easement goes, it's kind of obscured in the site plan there. But if you look at where it's, where the tag is right in the middle of the big building that says. Proposed. What does it say? Purple tag. The electric pad. So the label. That's actually on top of the existing easement. So it's, it's, it's, it's, it's much larger than the pad is, but smaller than the label is. So it's already, it's not intruding at all on any uses that the town could ever use with that property. I would say the easement to use that has already been granted. It's just that it's a new use. Yeah. There's a bunch of, there's like 15 ballards and they're protecting an underground protein tank that the thousand gallons. Hmm. Hmm. That is on the bar side. So that's, that's partly on trillions property and it's partly on town property. That's why there needed to be an easement original. So the property line must be just a couple of feet from the building. It is it's ridiculous. I think it's either eight or 12 feet. Well, I mean, if the, if this pad's only four feet wide, then. It's, there's not space for it just to be on the Trillion property then. No, because it has to be, I think it's 10 feet from the building. No, I see. My son, by some code to do with electrical code. Looking at the picture, it looks like deliveries have or do come in through the area. Um, yeah, I think you've seen the trash truck there that was. And you can do this. Yeah. And that truck there was a very convenient timing for a photo. Um, that is where deliveries do come occasionally. And ideally would continue to come. So that's. That's, that's what we're going to try to preserve and not. It's. Well, how would they continue to come there? Because, um, this drawing doesn't show it real well, but, um, how the trucks would be in. You see where the green dotted line is for the guard rail. That's actually when you drive up in the main way to get into the municipal parking lot. That would be on your left. So what looks like it's blocked off is just a big shadow of a tree there. Um, that the green line goes through. So it's an artifact of the photograph. So. Right. The trucks would just. Do what they're doing now, essentially, they would, they would be able to go up there. Um, and most of the deliveries are very short term anyway, like 10 minutes. So it's not that can cruises. And it does not block access to the municipal parking lot. It's wide enough there. So. You're being able to charge vehicles and. Deliveries this thing, John. Yeah, that's. Yeah. Well, let me just mention one other thing is I've asked them to actually redraw this. And so. The easement part where the electrical pad is accurate. The way I think it's going to stay. The actual configuration of those four. The parking base. Imagine that blue boxes will be rotated under me. And that's the other thing that I'd like to get the town's input on and make sure that's approval. But in other words, you can see that there's very little usable safe space between the charging and that they're covered debt that's been approved. So you're saying Jerry, that stations charging units would be here and you pull in. From this side. But the access to it would be flipped. So the guard rail would either go away or it would be parallel and close to the covered debt. Yeah. Yeah. So the impact is that the access to drive into them would be through the much wider and more frequently traveling. Driveway to the municipal lot and to our delivery day. So, so you're saying that the truck that just happened to get photographed when this image was taken. It's it's it once it was going to that delivery day. But that in the future. So how do you get that to the very day from a different. Right, right now they're not really using that one. I don't think they're using close to the word of the green ball. The green guard rail line is so they come in on the municipal driveway and then they angle it in a little bit to get to the very corner of the big building. I see. So that's how you would expect to get delivered. This is how Stephanie was getting pirated. And that's how Kathy Bacon got pretty complete deliveries. So neither one of these pictures shows. Actually the lineup of charging. Not the way I hope it gets redrawn, but they haven't. Given the tools and times of the community. I was just. Suggesting they're working on now. But again, it doesn't change the. Just change where the cars are going to. Exactly. That's all it changes and makes it, I think, safer and more manageable for men. It seems like a good change to me for the pedestrians. To flip it. Yeah. Simply that the propane tanks are underground, but it's sort in this picture almost looks like there are two propane tanks right there. Yes, at that time there were. That's been cleaned up. There are still propane tanks next to the cafe building. So, so this picture is old enough that it's. We've consolidated a whole bunch of tanks that now underground around the big building. Okay. This is a fairly confined area. Yeah, this hasn't been surveyed recently as far as I know, but. There's other drawings that have done that are based on. An old survey back. Like. The one you see if you want to put up. I'm a little surprised that. These professionals drawing up the plants shows. That's the basis on where the survey. I don't have any control over that, but to me it makes it. A drawing that's hard to visualize. But. I think they're trying to keep these projects under budget. Just to remind you, this is, I think the BW. I think they're trying to keep these projects under budget. They're trying to keep these projects under budget. And they have legal funds that have been allocated. It's part of a state grant. And so they have to be within. A budget of what they're going to get for each of these. They're heavily subsidized or completely subsidized. I guess. That's, that's not clear from the contract yet. I think it's going to follow on. Us, or it may be a combination of the town and us. Us being Trillium. Right now we're plowing the gravel parking lot there if we choose to, but we often don't in the wintertime because we don't really need it. It's a waste of expense. It's a waste of money. This would be a game changer where we'd have to keep it clear. And. I, it's not specifically in there because most of their contracts seem to be not in snowbound areas. But I think the default is that Trillium is going to have to quit. But it's, as you can see, it's right next to the town. So, I think it's going to go sweep right through where there is going to be charging stations. So, so, and then they, and then they take this big sweep and take it all to the back. Up to the right. The other question or comment I would have was if you want, have dedicated spots over near. The condo buildings that's going to push them into the parking area. Yeah, we've pretty much eliminated any designated spots there. There's some staff who use it intermittently. There's no lines. It's all very informal and as needed. It's nice as overflow occasionally. Looks like lined up. Not the reality currently. But in terms of the number of cars that can park over there. You're talking about on the Trillium property or the municipal lot? It seems to me like on the Trillium property, if you designate four spots there, that's going to push people to the right path there. Parking. Um, yeah. That is, yeah. We've been. Discouraging people from parking there anyway. They can't figure out how to park and not in peace. The occasional deliveries. So it's been. There's a lot of merchants row. And mainstream businesses that have been parking there historically. So yes, I think it could increase in the nation, but it is for a lot. A little bit. The last year, there really has not been much use by the public of that. Is this one right here? No. What is it? I mean, the RV. Yeah. No. Yeah, I don't know. Mark. Think that needs to be. Yeah, I can't really hear the board's questions. I'm sorry. Just turn the elevator off with my mind. Can you hear better now? Yeah. So Pat's question was whether or not it has to go to the DRB. So you're talking about parking traffic circulation and so forth. Have to be. Deeper into it. I mean, the, the essence of tonight, like, like Trevor mentioned was if. If in the fullness of the due diligence of the project. We can. Make all of the various. Rules and regulations. Yeah. I think it's a good thing going before the DRB if that. In order to try to figure all this out, all the moving parts. If, if the easement is something that can. Be granted. It makes more sense for everybody to continue going down the, the path to make sure that we can get this done. So. I don't think I don't think. Going before the DRB is going to an issue. If the town is willing to issue the easement for. For the battery pack. For the electrical boxes. Once if the town is willing to do that, then everyone is very willing to sit at the table to make sure that. All other aspects of the deal can be done. Okay. So. This wouldn't require a specific motion, right? We're really just asking questions and saying, yeah, this looks all right. Yeah. Any other questions? We're being asked to, to authorize creation of an agreement, but it doesn't sound like that. Demands a motion. So. Yeah, it's just direction. If you're okay with it, we'll create the agreement and you'll take action. Presumably in December, if everything. I think we could. There's a good sort of faith participatory gesture. See if we can take that on. Especially if we're going to view it as an agreement for use of pre-existing easement area. So that it might be a simplified. Version has been suggested. So we may incur some legal costs, but we're not talking about anything. Crazy. Okay. Just to make sure. I don't know whether the DR. Whether the agreement specifically refers to whether the DRB needs to get involved with this, but I would prefer to see us. Streamlining the process as much as we can. It just it on the face of it, it seems like a no brainer to me. And I don't want to see us get it. I don't want to see it. Any more bogged down in bureaucracy than we need to. So having the town. Attorney work, work on this. That's just something you can direct. You don't need board approval. Right. Yeah. What we might do is put together. The outline, get some feedback amongst the parties on the outside and make sure we're in the right spot and then have the town attorney do that last pass through to make sure that we're not. What it needs to be if there's something related to maintenance, liability or something like that. So that what you get is a finished. Everybody's okay with the idea. At the old gold being approval or not at the December meeting. Sounds like a good plan to me. Yeah. What you need from us is. What you think you may need from us. One or two areas by the building. What was the electric pad four by 12. That's something you need. So the easement is that where you're saying that's already an easement. This is the spot that. This is just a label that goes to that. Oh, okay. So there'll be this size. So there's already an easement here. It's already a larger easement. Over there. It's actually what would be contiguous. Yes, they'd be essentially connected. Probably remove some of the ballards and that's different ones. So. Functionally, it'd be one big reason. Yeah, I think it's going to be important to have a good map. This whole agreement. All right, well, if there's no other further questions or comments, we'll move on. Thank you, Jerry. Thank you. I'm sorry to catch your name again. You're here. Are you here? What are you here for? No, you're something else. Is this somebody? He's just here for the excitement. Excitement. Thank you. Thanks, Mark. Thanks a lot. We've put this out for review with the folks at Orange County Sheriff's department. There are a handful of changes by and large. The older version. The original revised version was okay. What is in here are actually additions to that with one clarification. So in the report we've called out there are four spots that are included in the report. And then we've also included a clean up one. We took references to, to village streets and replaced them with police district streets. Just so that way we've got formal entities with delineated boundaries that then match our contract space too. So there's a couple of references to that. One that was added. More or less by request of the library was to create basically the language would create the ability for the board to communicate with the library. And then we put signage up and say during open hours, we put signage up and say, you know, limited to patron parking 30 minutes. Monday through Friday during these hours. And some of this is in response to. One of the common points of feedback they get from patrons is. It's harder to find some of those spaces available near to the library. They're being used. For right now, Randolph house residents who are parking up a bike rather than town lots or it's their lots closed. We're going to call it a conflict point. They're just in the spaces and keeping them, you know, keeping library patients from. So we'd be able to do three. We would now have to do three. We sort of try to write a flexibility. We even try it, you know, as a smaller pilot project and see how it goes. There. We've also tried to be very clear that the enforcement level of enforcement, the mechanisms available should be dialed down. If somebody's there, it wasn't a library patient. So we're not going to pull the parts for that. But hopefully as a deterrent and as a. Maybe really think to do, we'll have an impact. The other two that are new, the other two sections. One is about adding stop references to stop signs, yield signs. You don't really have many of those. They fall under. It's a little bit easier to enforce if somebody goes through a rolling stock. One of the things that we were talking with the folks at the board is we've got a little section in there on high priority intersections. It's just to call them out a little bit that they might get a little extra attention. You know, the four way. The main street central park come together. Some of those hot spots. We're going to make sure people are being safe. And traveling through those appropriately. And then the other one ties into some of the tractor trailer. Travel prohibitions right now. What's listed in there. We're Highland and in Maple is two of the ones that have come up with the board. So I think that's a good idea. I think we can get a little bit of action. Some of the feedback is that it's easier for the enforcement agencies. If they find a truck where it shouldn't be. To take the appropriate actions. Let me be appropriate finds and all that right now, Orange County. When they do do that, it's really more of. Educational deterrence mechanism to your law enforcement and to really zap a truck. That's where it shouldn't be. You're going to have an officer who's trained. In that particular. Of enforcement. A set of truck scales. It might be DMV at some point comes in. Does a stint down there if we have issues. Or I'm going. And the ordinance. That was sort of the feedback is having it in our traffic ordinance provides that additional. Enforcement capability. And that's what we're going to do. And it ties into whatever the applicable. State and or other plans would be. And that's separate from the overweight permits that are issued as part of our regular. Statutory process for that. So those are the main changes. Everything else is pretty similar from the version with that. You can't remember it was September. They were September. And that's all I wanted to say. So that's the agreement that was made by the public hearing enforcement entity that they had a chance to review that. We've got any other pieces to incorporate? So through okay. With any of this. The next step would be to warm that public hearing. To move forward with some of these pieces. And I can review any of the other ones that you looked at before. If you want. I don't have more questions about. specificity about the stop and yield language with that. But that's what the intent is for that and what that's going to accomplish. Yeah. And I guess I'm not familiar with the high priority intersections. That's just so, like what does that have any real effect? It's more of a signaling policy intent rather than creating additional fines or other things. One of the things that will happen, or we've seen happen and there's some experience case law on is that if you don't have a stop sign that's been properly erected and is maybe not reflected in an ordinance, this is a stop. It's a little, I'll use an example from a town where if you go to Waitesfield there are stop signs at either end of the covered bridge right in the middle of town. Until those got put into the ordinance, somebody was able to essentially roll through that could have been caught by a sheriff issued the ticket and contested it. And the motorist was usually successful in that because there wasn't anything that formalized to those stop signs as traffic control points. So this language tries to very broadly introduce them all. What you see in some other municipal ordinances is a listing of every stop sign in the intersection. We could do that either in the ordinance or as an attachment and be more specific with it. The good idea is that this language should be sufficient. Right. For any existing stop or yield signs that we can basically enforce that it will actually stop or yield. That's the idea. And then if we had to say we were challenged, it still wasn't specific enough and we could go to that next level and add, you know, the listing of. We don't have to go there. I think it would be nice to, yeah, I can see that. Yeah. And to create that comment. So the high priority really is more of a policy statement that we talked about. There isn't sort of an additional fine structure for it. So do you need a motion to move ahead with. I think if you would make one to warn a public hearing for the next opportune time, I think we've got enough time from a timeline perspective. I think that would be the goal. I'm just thinking ahead to the weekly newspaper, holiday combination. Sitting pretty, pretty well within that 15 day window. But we'll aim for December. We've got to have it in one 15 days out and. I'll have to look at a calendar, but if not. You do it in January. We can, we can warn a far next. I think that would be the goal. I'm just thinking ahead to the weekly newspaper, holiday combination. Sitting pretty, pretty well within that 15 day window. I think that would be the goal for December. So maybe that the motion is to warn public hearing for December. And if the timelines don't allow to host it in January. So moved. Okay. Hi. This is our agenda is to look at some community appointments. You've got one packet Courtney Gately to the conservation commission. You've got the one sunny brought to you. That's the one. And then we'll have the other one. We have the one sunny brought to you. Thank you. Thank you. Johnston for the planning commission. We had somebody who's been interested has attended. Budget committee meetings. We didn't get any formal. Application materials from them at any point. But Jerry knows and spoken with them. So if you want to consider that, or if you want to wait and get something more formal, we can move that one to December. But that was another one that was originally in that mix when I was in. So there's at least the one in the packet. The one that came to you today. And then the other one you could possibly consider. In the case of the conservation commission, the budget committee, there's one seat to fill budget committee would be for the remainder of. Until the next election. And then the individual will be reelected from. We used to do this from the floor. Right. So. See any of them here tonight. There we go. Feel free to speak to. Okay. The. Um, yeah, I've known Ben, the variety. VAR, A, B is his name. He, I met him. Year and a half ago, shortly after he moved here. in the village and he is not a lawyer but he's a professor at law school and he teaches business and finance courses with an emphasis on law. So he's not an economist or a regular statistician. He's definitely not an accountant. He's more of a academic business law expertise. He has shown up at a meeting. He's been talking about it being interested to me consistently for three or four months. So I think he's been genuine and is showing follow through except for the fact that we asked him to put something in writing and he didn't do it. So maybe we weren't clear. I don't know. So I think you can accept him as generally interested and certainly qualified. I think he's kind of guy who would have a CV that would dazzle you but I haven't seen it. Well I don't have any problem. It would just be an appointment until March. It's actually since it's temporary. It's about as low risk as you forget. Yeah. At the same time I hate to discourage people who want to volunteer for any of our communities especially folks who seem like they could really be on the phone. Well that would be the form of motion from you guys. Yes. Other comments or questions from the board about any of these people? All willing to serve and no one else is seeing the pool. So you know. Yeah. So seeing no other comments. It's an emotion to approve all three people to their respective committees. I will make the motion to approve all three people to their respective committees that they've expressed interest in. I'll second it. Although I'm a little concerned that we should be consistent in whether we require somebody to apply for something or not. I think that's been the general practice but I don't think it's like an official policy. Usually people will choose to do that and encourage people to do that but it's a specific requirement. I think in the past we said okay we'll have an application. It's nice. Sure. Anyway. You have a motion in a second. All in favor? Aye. Delinquent tax collector. This is Trevor's cave apart application. Yeah. I get another job. We've had the finance director serve in this role for a number of years but having largely been without one for about a year now. We haven't moved with them. We're at the point now where this vacancy is going to extend out. We're not quite sure how long it would be. We do need to move into whether we charge in penalties and interest on delinquent tax payers, water and sewer payers, creating the payment agreements that we allow people to strike. We need somebody who is the formally named delinquent tax collector. So the idea would be that I would assume the mantle and be the signatory on things and help wherever but it would be that it would be me, Kayla, who's our new employee in finance and Cynthia from NEMRIC who's going to be with us for a while too. Cynthia is a former delinquent tax collector done. She did in Westminster, putt in your role but we would become a single entity where a lot of the front end stuff, identification of who's delinquent, what the amounts would be doing a lot of the back of the house functions and where I might come in is to just review say a payment agreement and be the one to actually sign off on it. It lets us get those functions moving again and keep them moving forward and then we would probably not be as prone to use the tax sale mechanism for non-payment as we have in the process because of the same kind of resource constraint but we might at some point say if we happen to find ourselves in the late spring and need to or want to for whatever reason. You certainly, that's part of the process that comes with it too and the town attorneys get involved in that and do a lot of the actual, I don't have a lot of the technical, mechanical details for us so because you've moved to appoint us in the past I'd say that if we're still an elected delinquent tax collector I wouldn't be able to hold the role. I can't hold an office as a town manager so it's because of the decision to appoint. That's how we avoid being incompatible for this. We don't have any other options in the house, frankly so. And if we did, I'd go for it. Yeah, I'm sure you would. On moment we appoint the town manager. Tom, did you hear the motion? I'll make that motion. Pat made the motion. I think Oh Pat, I'll second. I'm sorry. I didn't hear Pat. All right, I thought you might not have heard him. Yeah, yeah, I did not. All in favor? All right. Request for engineering services. Yeah, this is just, we're seeking authorization. We've got four different RFPs that would fall under this single topic. It's the engineering services, part of it's part budget exercise, part backup plan. If you go back a couple of months we've talked about we're going to have to add capacity similar to what we had when Marty Sanchez was here where there was an engineer and zoning person combining the one. One of the areas of concern is that's such a specific unique combination of skill sets and experiences that we can try to go for that. We might have better luck or better shape considering something a little broader such as the planning and zoning administrator or zoning and grants administrator. One idea that would be pretty helpful. We can go and get those engineering services that we're missing through an engineering services agreement. So it's budget time at a minimum to be able to see what the costs would be for that. So this is an individual or a firm. I've worked with both in this capacity that would be able to handle, you know, it'd be RFP drafting. It would be estimating, project scoping up to a certain point would provide us, you know, if there was development review that we needed. Whether I take over the street at Southbury Square once it's built, for example, that's something that they would provide would be that certification component service. So we'd be going out trying to get that and figure out what the cost would be so we could build it into the budget. And we could always sort of create a scope of work that fits a budgeted number. It's a good time to do that. The other one is we've talked about before, but not for a while. We also need some engineering services. There's so much infrastructure and other money floating around. We have project ideas, but not even numbers to go and pursue some of these things over the next couple of years. So the idea would be to put an RFP out for that and try to pick. I don't know if it makes sense to try to do four projects, six that would then at least receive some sort of initial scoping. So we know estimate have some sort of reasonable project budget that will be close and then we can go seek the different awards. And so I listed some of the ones in there. So there might be one that we try to leave as broad as possible building out these specifics. Some of the ones that have come up that we don't have numbers for. That's something like beam bill water sewer extensions. If we can change engineer and change the intersection of beam bill in the route 12 south, you can better enable the truck traffic to just go that way. I'm coming in out from that and that's things as opposed to trying to navigate Pleasant Street. Central Street bridges come up, stop harm, slope stabilization, missing network pieces. Some of this we do an engineering service agreement that might fit in there like the sidewalk network pieces that will kind of double up on that. So the idea is to try to put something together that would let us go identify some projects and go out and be competitive for some of the infrastructure money. And maybe that that's a sort of an early use of our funds and it's going to be terribly expensive, but it enables us really to go forward. Because without it, I'm guessing. And that's now where we want to be. So like you said, this would be work that if we had a time engineer that they would do. Yeah. If with this, we've opened the possibility of if we did find somebody that we could hire someone and not, we wouldn't have to, we wouldn't be committing to using these services if we were able to. Right. What we may do is get a sense of cost and scale and availability. And as we build the budget, we'll know whether we're going to try to find the former model and put that in there. But if for some reason we weren't able to fill it, it delays sort of when we would kick in what that would be. And we'd almost be sort of budgeting both pieces in that model to have that surety, but you wouldn't have to spend it if you find somebody to do the other piece. I think given the timing of everything, it makes some sense just to, even if we just did a one or two year deal to have that extra service, I think to find a Marty's going to be, I think we're unicorn hunting a little bit. That was specific to the individual and the circumstance. Actually, not somebody who has expressed some interest. Oh, really? Who could actually? If we have a unicorn, we could actually do that one. But it's all right. So I'm just one, so that's, you know, so I mean, not that it's a distinct uncertainty or anything, but it's something that's possible. The other two RFPs we need to do to go out higher appraiser. This is part of the 15 Lincoln Avenue buyout. This is required under the terms of the grant. So they'll come up with a value for the properties part of that. So this would be an RFP to go out, find that appraiser to be able to do that. So we keep that process moving forward. And then the final one that's in there is what I do with it. Mowing services again for Randolph Center and East Randolph. We're fairly sure we're not going to be able to find anybody or to somebody's sort of fill those positions, provide that frontline service. It works really well. This would be a two year contract to have the mowing, trimming, grounds maintenance services. If we do it now, we can incorporate into the budget by trying to figure out how to make it fit out of emergency need. So the timing is kind of right. That one's already written up and revised and ready to go if it's authorized. So you can incorporate into the budget. We're not getting rid of those frontline positions. We're just sort of recognizing that at 1456 an hour. We're probably not going to be able to fill them. And we can't sort of stretch it. It was nice to have the contract this summer because even with a smaller employee pool in the town and then having the graves dug by through the funeral homes, for example, Harold and his crew were able to do the town properties, town structures, and ways that they hadn't been for a while. So we really did see, I think, some benefit on the coordination and completion of task and the things that's from there. So those are the four activities we'd be going out to get. There's nothing, if you don't sign a contract or a warrant, we're not obligating anybody to go out the door. Most of them would come through to the budget or grant funds. It might be that the project scoping is one that we have to identify funding. And it was way back to when we talked about it a couple of times, ARPA. Money had been highlighted a little bit and sort of an investment. And the timing might even fit together. Okay, we're to go through the regular process. So we know the cost. It's hard to say what we need. Well, somebody applied for this being a retainer? Yeah, we signed. So an engineering service agreement, we might say there's a two-year thing. We'd authorize kind of a maximum amount. We might have set tasks that are laid out sort of annual basis. So I think having them help us with the having our fees, contract language, all that stuff on the back end. And contract language, that would be one that we build in every year. It might be that we've got specific projects we want them to work on, grants to review, things that we've called out and anything above that would be kind of demand response specific up to that maximum with some ability to step outside of it if we, you know, our mutual agreement and with board motion or something. Because the way the last one I did, we structured it where it was essentially, here's the amount for the year. We'll use it in any way we want. But if we were still only kind of charged up to that maximum for services rendered. So if we don't have anything going on. So the intent would be to establish price. Yep, yeah, price and get a sense of providers. And so kind of the way to back in, excuse me, the services we need. That's one of the big areas as we try to rebuild capital plans, to try to get through projects that are under way, to try to plan for future projects. That's, that's an entirely teal. We don't have an engineer by trade. It's, this is all sort of sleight of hand that we've all picked up along the way. I'd like to move that we, we bundle this quartet of request proposals and authorize the staff to proceed with them. We have a motion and a second, all in favor. Aye. Passes. Any other business? Not that I have for you, no. Okay. Nothing new beyond what's written there. As you may have heard, we're paving. Spent some disruption in travel, but we are, are new to the end. And that'll be good to do grading, gone out, they've done all of that. So as of sort of the end of the paving project, every mile that we maintain should be in a pretty good spot. Staffing, we've got, we're in the external, sorry, before you remark on paving. I've noticed that the paving that in certain places seems to be not as professional as I've seen other paving in the past and wondering what, like, what do we do about that? You know, like, like center seams in a lot of spots are not flat. I don't know, I don't know whether that's a significant issue or not. I mean, off the top of my head, it seems like, right, like, if it shouldn't be that way, like it should have, like, that's just one example that I've seen, I've seen and heard about some other, you know, issues where maybe the paving didn't kind of go as well as we might expect it to. So what do we do with that sort of thing? Well, we had the contractor, someone sort of up in the food chain come out, they met with John, they walked some of these areas of concern because we've been raising them for a little bit and came up with a plan to, to remediate those. We would fix those or to shore them up or to add igniting areas or maybe it looks a little shabbier than it should or a little thinner than it should. Remember the seams, that's when I'll have to check to see what the prescription is there. We've been focusing on sort of riser storm drains, driveway transitions. Those are the ones that have come up more often, but it does look in some spots where you, the seam is noticeable, more noticeable than I can recall. Yeah, I mean, usually you don't know if that, usually you can see the seam, but like it's, but it's smooth even though you can see it, because in these cases, sometimes it's like. Yeah, so they went in, and then at the end of the day, if the work doesn't meet the specifications or the expectations, we essentially say that we're not, there's an acceptance process that we'll go through. We can pursue other remediation efforts from there. Yeah, you're right, Larry. Seeing the seam and actually feeling it when you're traveling over it is kind of two different things. And have you guys noted spaces where like, where the pavement seems really rough, like where there's the aggregate, but not the stuff that's still at the binder between those missing? Yeah, and there's some areas that we, you know, where they might add more material closer to the railroad tracks. For example, there's some areas where it was a little thin, and then some sidelines, a little bit, some areas where where they're not, they're really around, like I said, around the risers and stuff like that. So, it's an inch and a half, so it's going to feel thin in spots, too, in the places that were just a shim and overlay. So, you know, a maple earl. But they've been out, they've done the walkthrough, identified the areas of need, there was a plan to address those. So, then we'll be able to check against the original specs, it's the sort of the plan to address. And at the end of the day, we have non-acceptance, basically. All their parts really could be always structured. So, if we're happy with one section, we could sort of hone in on an area. Okay. Yeah, I mean, it didn't seem like this was so much a matter of how thick it was. It was just, you know, that top quarter or half an inch where you can actually see like sections where it's visibly missing, you know, part of that one should be a nice smooth surface and they're done, it's much rougher than you would expect. And you can actually even just see it, you know, as you walk by, it's pretty good. We've noticed in other areas, not here in town, but on newer paper, there's almost like an undulation or a little bit of a bounce effect in certain areas. Just in terms of how the pavement was compacted or not. But I don't know if there's any materials, change your issue or something like that. But yeah, we do, we are going to go back through, try to address everything that's been highlighted. Maybe things that we miss are going to hit that we'll have to address in other ways. But one thing, based on the written report, that's sort of yet we'll do the branch would update in December, it looks like. That project has stalled out for lack of funds that T-Work was getting from the state for this in particular, and they're seeking some other funds. So kind of in the second phase of the site assessment there for the environmental pieces. And then, like so the staffing we're focusing right now on those front end exterior positions, so the ones in highway buildings and grounds and recreation facilities, we've got candidates for all of them in some form. So we're able to hire into those spaces. That gets us pretty close to full, if not full, kind of there. And we'd be down to really just the finance director's role, which is we are out. And common areas for that and advertising and paid for the featured ads and we've had zero applications. And I'll tell you, we're going through this now. They've seen a small pool with candidates that are maybe not as fully qualified as they would hope. And that's a job that would normally draw a little bit better. And there are others that are seeking it. So we're also in a more competitive space for fewer candidates. So it would be interesting to see what the process entails. But that's a big one to both get right. And it would be nice to fill it, I think because we're not totally correct of staffing in there anymore. Kayla, who's been sending me the AP and the payroll emails, is really grabbing on to those pieces doing quite well. Cynthia certainly knows as a veteran of this. So we've stabilized a little bit more, we're saying in July or August when there was nobody in there. So once we get a finance director, that department will be full of function? Yeah, yeah. So I would count on this almost like a, it's been a siege and it will continue. We're probably getting through town meeting before anybody's really in the role. If we're lucky, we can find somebody to hire them on. I'll still probably handle the budget, capital budgeting stuff, all the way through at this point doesn't well to bring somebody else on. And that's kind of a big, big task. But that's what we had to do last year to get through. We're trying to prep for the audit. Cliff did us a real solid year before because everything was lined up before that. But for this, we're trying to collect those pieces. We'll keep on the list, but that's a real big, if you ask me for a pressure point, at least on me, in terms of the vacancies, that's the one. Sure, sure. Because it's hands on, pick it out, plus it's that's an important relationship for the organization. I'm getting better at handwrecks. That's that's all I got for it. Okay, any other questions for Trevor? Executive Session is next on our agenda then. So you've got, this is a two motion one. The finding would come first and then the motion to enter. And then on the motion to enter, Jim Carroll has jumped on with us. So just going to make sure that when we do the motion to enter that we invite June to join us. The first motion would be the finding that executive executive session is necessary and prudent and premature general public knowledge of place town at a disadvantage. I will make that motion. All in favor? Aye. And then I will move that we consider a motion to enter into executive session pursuant to the appropriate state statutes relative to contracts, personnel appointment, or evaluation of a public official and legal. And are you going to invite Jim Carroll to join us? And to invite Jim Carroll to join us. All in favor? Aye. Asses? You won't have any motion coming back out. So it's like we've done before. I don't think you'll have any motion coming back out. So okay. So yeah, so usually we did everyone a do at this point. Yeah, so we're done with the public part of the meeting. Thank you very much.