 Hi, this is Debbie Dashinger and welcome to Dare to Dream. We've got a great installment for you today because the conversation today will be about UFOs, extraterrestrials, and the man you're about to meet just a little bit later on, had a very definitive dynamic changing psychic experience where he found himself aboard a spaceship, a starship, telepathically communicating. And we'll get to that in just a minute. This show has been nominated for two People's Choice podcast awards for a webby award and most recently Welp Magazine listed Dare to Dream as one of the top 20 best podcasts to listen to and watch this year. So thanks to all of them for their recognition. And the show is sponsored by Dr. Dane here and Access Consciousness. I thank them for the wonderful energy work they do out in the world. You can access their courses or become a facilitator anywhere in the world. Go to Dr. Dane here, D-A-I-N-H-E-E-R.com or Access Consciousness.com. I myself am Debbie Dashinger and I am a media visibility expert. I teach entrepreneurs, coaches, speakers and healers how to write a highly engaging book. I have a company that takes authors books to a guaranteed international bestselling status and I show you how to be interviewed on radio and podcasts to get massive results. If you would like your free gift to learn how to do any of the above, go and receive my templates and free videos. Go to Debbie Dashinger.com slash gift. It's D-E-B-B-I-D-A-C-H-I-N-G-E-R.com slash gift. And I am excited for today's show. My guest is Douglas Taylor who spent his life researching the unique and powerful lessons available that altered and transcended states of consciousness. Douglas is a multi-talented visionary artist, an author, speaker, surfer and home builder. And during much of Doug's youth, he was a surfer traveling around the world searching for that elusive perfect wave. In 1978 on one of his surfing trips to Puerto Rico, he experienced a life-changing psychic encounter finding himself inside a starship and telepathically communicating with its extraterrestrial occupants. On his return home from his trip, Douglas began having strange and wonderful psychic experiences that profoundly changed his life. Aided by a series of hundreds of beautiful communications and visions and dreams with extraterrestrials and celestial beings over the years, he continues to show his inspiration in his writing, in his painting and his teaching. Taylor's visionary and UFO paintings are considered to be some of the best in the world. In addition to national radio talk shows and interviews with film and television crews from around the world, Douglas has taught hundreds of classes and workshops and wrote the enlightening book, Solic Journeys. And if you would like to learn more about him, go to DouglasTaylorVisionaryArt.com. And with that, I welcome Douglas to the Dare to Dream show. It's so great to have you. Thank you so much. I really appreciate being able to speak with you and maybe share some information that'll be helpful to some of your listeners. And that's kind of my main purpose. I try to keep it pretty low key because I don't consider myself to be a master or a teacher. I consider myself to be the student of the universe. And from the experiences that I've had, I've discovered that there is a lot more going on in the daily tribulations of a human being than what most people are aware of. And they can change those negative aspects of the experiences that they go through through utilizing what I would call an extraterrestrial science. That's what I have learned. And that's what I have been studying for many, many years, even though, you know, you'd think, well, where's his tinfoil hat if that's what he's talking about? But it's really something that I think has become a little more mainstream, you know, with the 60 Minutes interview where even the Navy pilots were, you know, locking radar on objects that they hadn't really understand what they were. They had no idea. So that's not really my main interest, that, you know, the UFO aspect of it. You know, it's a means of getting around the car, you know, depending on your consciousness. But if you're really trying to elevate other people's spiritual awareness, then those UFOs become crystal and ships that are going to uplift and transcend anyone who comes in contact, either sees them or goes inside one in a dream state or in a psychic state. And so that's been a big part of my experience that has got me really, really charged up. Although my first experience happened in 1977 in the Caribbean islands. Let's start there because I just want people who don't know you to have that background. So you have, you're a contactee. You have this experience. Will you just talk briefly about what happened and what your experience was? What might have taken place? Yes, it was intense, to say the least. And yet, at the same time, I wasn't even physically awake. You know, it was a psychic experience. I had been surfing all that day. I was very tired. I came in, I lay down on the bed. I was living in Puerto Rico at the time. And I was just having the time of my life. I was 28, was in my prime. I was surfing, you know, as good as I can surf. And it was just like an adventure of a lifetime for me. And, but I was always interested in reading different books to try to understand a little bit more about consciousness and how to develop my own, I guess, awareness of a larger picture of who I am and how I'm related to the universe. So anyway, that's neither here nor there. But while I was laying there on the bed, I wasn't asleep, but I felt my body suddenly become like a pure energy. It was just an oscillating mass of energy that I had been experiencing a little bit of, because I'd been very much into how to body experiences in sleep state and basically that type of what is known as lucid dreaming and stuff. So I had begun to kind of experiment with it. But anyway, so as I feel this energy as I feel myself kind of like in a little bit of a foggy state of mind, I begin to materialize, I guess is the best word to describe it. And I was staring at seven individuals, both male and female, and they were radiating the most beautiful, intense light, healing energy and just positivism, but an intensity that made me feel very, very, I guess the best word would be very, what's the word I'm looking for? Primitive, I guess would be one way to say it. But I just felt like these individuals were functioning, even though it was just an instantaneous, all of a sudden I'm in the ship and I'm looking at these individuals, it was like I felt this power and it was almost a memory that I had experienced before or a series of feelings that this was something that was very, very powerful in the sense that I was having experience that was beyond anything that I'd had up to that point in time. And so as I was standing there and I saw these seven beautiful human looking beings, they actually look like surfers. I mean, that's just because of what I was seeing, but in the fact that that was my particular skin tone or whatever, but they were all blonde and they began communicating with me and it was all telepathic, which I had never had that experience before in any kind of dream even. And so they began communicating with me telepathically and relating that this isn't something that they do as a means of helping people who are on the verge of trying to understand more about life and the universe itself. And I don't know exactly why I was the one who happened to be taken up into this ship, but I was standing there and I was just communicating telepathically and they just gave me a little bit of background information and we're just looking at me with these beautiful, beautiful serene and the captain, I've done an actual animation of the whole thing, but anyway, the captain was in a pure white suit and he had these intense eyes. I mean, he was just looking at me like he could look right through me. And so that in itself made me feel a little bit paranoid in a way, it was just like, can I hide something here? These guys seem to know everything about me. I'm an open book and I did feel very primitive, like I said, in relationship, but not in a way that they were putting me down at all, just the opposite, they were lifting me up. I had never felt that uplifted that. Were you scared? Did you feel, because this has had to radical wake up like that or become... No, there was never any sense of fear. And I think even if they were to landed their ship in front of the place I was staying in, I don't think I would have been afraid. I think I would have been happy just to walk right in because I don't know, I just had that kind of adventurous attitude and there was nothing to feel afraid about, especially in this circumstance, because I was so transcended, I guess you could say, my consciousness was in a state more positive than I had ever really experienced before and expanding in a way where I seem to be gaining tremendous amounts of information, which was more like all the little neurons in my little brain were just like firing beyond their capacity. And I was just like going, what in the heck is going on? So anyway, as I stood there communicating with them, the individual who was a captain, who knew as a captain, he had a female standing on his left and he just kind of pointed over to her as I was standing there kind of feeling a little sheepish. And she, because I just didn't understand how I was able to communicate with these beautiful beings. Anyway, so she just looked at me and I felt this energy come out of her eyes and it was just like this intense beam of just pure beautiful healing energy. And it uplifted me back because I began to kind of fall away from the state of mind of that upliftment just because I felt so inferior. And anyway, so it lifted me back up and it just charged me with this beautiful, beautiful energy. And I just started saying, can I go with you? Can I go with you? I mean, I was now as an euphoria, so to speak. They go, no, you're not ready to go with us, but maybe someday. And that was it. It was like, maybe seemed like maybe 15 minutes, 20 minutes, not a real long experience. And- Did they ever tell you who they were? That were they answers to the questions? What I picked up, you know, there's a lot of different people who talk about different beings from different star clusters. And so it's more of kind of a persona or a culture that people have an association with. So to me, it was like maybe like what people understand as the Pleiadians. The Pleiadians are those individuals who are spiritually, intellectually and technologically super, super advanced because they've been involving positively for very, very long period of time. And they have a direct connection with various spiritual dimensions because they've kept that connection going. They haven't, you know, become disconnected from it by becoming egotistical. So that was what I think I've learned in all the time since then, you know, that was like 45, 46 years ago, is that it's really understanding your ego and your identity of who you are that you can begin to break down the barriers that are limiting you to a very, very tight, lipped perspective to where the blinders are always just seeing down the specific tunnel and that in order to raise those blinders and move them away, you have to kind of change your way of looking at things in every single way, which mainly is understanding your identity of self as not just as egotistical, physical being, although you do have that part of yourself, but also understanding that you are connected to this vast cosmic intelligence that is infiltrating every cell in your body and is recreating and regenerating that intelligence and that life force. And it's an incredibly uplifting concept. And yet it's not an easy one to hang onto because there's so much garbage and crap that goes on. Well, let me ask you regarding hanging on to something. So Doug, you have this experience in 77, 78. Have you had other contactee experiences since? Yeah, this was just the beginning. You know, I mean, this was the kindergarten effect. What I learned since that time was that these experiences started coming at me quite rapidly, but one of the things that helped to stimulate it was I, when I got back from that trip, about a week later, came back from Puerto Rico and I lived in the Sunset Beach at the time near Huntington Beach. Anyway, so I started drawing and painting. And you've never been an artist before. You never dealt with anyone else. Friends of mine couldn't even believe it. What's this? When did you start doing that? So anyway, it was just something that I suddenly felt when I was doing something creative like this, that I was bringing that same uplifting feeling tuning into it in a sense. So what I've come to understand since this time 46 years ago is that I've always been and everybody is a transceiver. You know, you're both receiving and transmitting information. And it's just a matter of where are you receiving your radio signals from or your cosmic signals from? You know, if it's coming from your lower subconscious, hate, anger, fear, those elements are always going to have a specific frequency that they're gonna respond to you in a way that you are frequency-wise in a lower consciousness. And is that what you mean by, I know you use the term frequency relationship. Is that what you're alluding to here? Yes. In other words, you know, when the picture or the radio signals are going out by the millions, you know, now they're satellite signals. And anyway, they're going through the room. They're going through our bodies. They're there of every kind, but there's also spiritual signals. There's consciousness signals, which are waveforms that are pitched to a higher frequency. And so how do you tune into those? Well, normally though, this go right over your head because you just simply can't tune into them because they're on a level that your frequency isn't compatible with. So as you do the various elements, which I found in my particular case, was seeing a lot of the negative aspects of my own personality and character, which most people don't find that to be something they wanna do. But that was something that really stimulated the healing process. And so that was the most important factor. And as I began to research into what the so-called extraterrestrial science was, I began to understand that a huge part of it was reincarnation and that we've all lived many, many lifetimes. And that in those past lifetimes, I had been involved in a lot of really negative activities and killing people, being involved in wars, just like everybody has, but those had become a more powerful part in a sense of my psychic structure. So the psychic body is this energy body that's basically radiating every experience that you have is being brought into your consciousness and is forming the psychic anatomy on a moment-to-moment basis. So if you're involved in obviously killing somebody, the frequency is of a horrible, horrible low frequency and it creates a block within your psychic so that you're slowly cutting yourself off from that inflow, from that higher intelligence. And so that's kind of the main part of the process of learning is how to make that connection and it has to do with removing the blocks. And I had a lot of them and I still do. Don't we all? Yeah, well, let's talk about universal principles because I know that you like to talk about these universal principles so that we can have a better, a good connection with our spirit guides and with our higher self. What are those principles? What are universal principles? The main universal principle is that we identify ourselves as these physical beings, but if we were to break down the actual nature of this physical body, we'd find it turns as we go into the smaller and smaller elements of it, it turns into atomic structures, it turns into organs, it turns into molecules, it turns into smaller and smaller little parts of energy, finally, electrons. So we identify with this physical body as being something that is the reality of who we are, but in and of itself, it's something completely different. So in my perspective of the universal principles, it's that there is this psychic body that is recording everything that we've ever experienced and it has been for thousands of lifetimes. So number one universal principle is be aware that you have all of this information within you and in order to begin to tune into a higher connection and begin to remember what you came here for. I mean, it's so easy to get distracted that it's not just fun and games, although there's no reason why you can't have a lot of fun and enjoy yourself while you're doing this because it's so joyful, but it's so easy to get distracted and get, you know, move off onto a tangent where you're actually reversing your progression because you're either progressing forward or you're regressing, you can't be just floating in the middle. You know, you're either going with the river, with the flow of the river or you're going against the river and going with the flow of the river in a sense is the easy way. That's kind of taking yourself down the path to believe in that the physical world is all that exists, so to speak. And they say you have to swim up river and it kind of takes a certain amount of effort to begin to do that, but as you do it, you finally begin to gain a balance and a momentum. And then you find that you're all of a sudden living in a higher state of consciousness as you leave this physical body and go on to the inner worlds where there are teachers who are gonna help you to take your next mission and carry on because it doesn't happen in one lifetime. If you live a thousand lifetimes, imagine all the garbage that's in your psychic. So it takes time and energy and effort to begin to work through it, work it out and get to a point to where you could actually share something positive with other people. And so my art has been one of the things that has been such a positive way for me to connect with those universal principles because a huge part of it is creativity. Because like I said, the universal mental process, the mind itself of God, as they wanna call it is a creative process. It's creating everything that exists, including us. So when you can tune into that in just some small way, you're actually putting yourself in a better relationship with that creative aspect of yourself and its relationship to a greater field of intelligence. Yeah, yeah. And what about Atlantis and what about Lemuria? Is there a technology that you yourself are aware of that balances nature as an expression of spiritual evolution? Yeah, those are very, very fascinating topics to get into because there really isn't any strong physical evidence that Atlantis or Lemuria ever existed. There isn't really any solid evidence. And you would think a society or civilization that was much more advanced than ours would have all sorts of stuff that would have never decomposed or would be around you. And so I think about that at times, but I know that I lived in both of those where I feel very certain that I lived in both of those civilizations in many, many different lifetimes. And so that's part of this long history of going through the solic journey of my own particular development. And in some cases I went backwards. In some cases I made good progress. So it's kind of like now I'm at a point where I need to focus a little bit more on what is really important in life. And it's hard to do because the distractions are just never ending. Like money, the bills, all the stuff that you got to deal with. Is that what do you mean by what's important in life? What for you do you feel is what you need to say? Well, you go through this life. You know, I'm a certain age now, I'm 68 and I look back on my life and I don't. Man, you look good. You look amazing. Really? You're seeing it through a filter here. But it's just like it's gone so quick. It's just boom. And then I'm thinking, okay, I'm in the last 10% of my lifespan in this physical body. What have I learned? Am I really ready to make that transition? Do I know what the heck's going on? Do I know where I'm gonna go? Do I know what I'm gonna do? So I think it's important to have that knowledge. The more you have, the more you can understand it, the better you're going to be able to make that transition. And there are people who they're, you know, who are teachers who are gonna be helpful because most people need a lot of help. You know, it's just the nature of the people who live on this planet particular. I mean, I can't talk about other planets because I haven't been to any other planets. But the people on this planet in particular seem like they're just not very interested in true spiritual evolution. You know, there's a lot of religious connotations to things that took place a couple of thousand years ago. And when there was no science where people wrote books that had no relationship even to the events that were happening at that time, they were changed by people to be able to control the masses in certain ways. And so that's kind of what you would call the lower negative forces that exist. And there's a war in a sense, a mental process by which those forces are always trying to pull you down. So the more association you have with them, the more locked up you are in that lower consciousness. And so it's harder to see the higher consciousness. So that's one of the big ones I think is, as religion is, I mean, it has its positive aspects. Obviously everybody needs to have some sort of connection with something beyond, you know, not putting religion down per se. I'm just saying that it needs to have a scientific spiritual relationship or connection that would make it into what I call extraterrestrial science for universal principles, whatever you want to look at it. Okay. So now you've said multiple times you have had this experience and this contact experience. At any time did these beings reveal to you any evidence of ET advanced technologies that our planet would benefit from? Do you have any awareness of any technologies that you can disclose here? I can give you information about the reasons why they haven't done any of that. And of course I'm a Star Trek geek from way back and we all know, you know, if a more advanced civilization was to interfere in a primitive civilization, it's going to cause more damage than good. You know, just exactly similar to when, you know, the Spanish, whoever it was who were sailing their ships and would land, you know, in whether it would be America or India or the Caribbean islands. And they found these beautiful Indians there who had this wonderful lives and they would plant their flag. And all of a sudden we claim this in the name of, you know, Spain or England. And then before you know it, everybody who lived in that more primitive civilization because they didn't have the weaponry to be able to fight off these crazy people ended up being destroyed. And so, you know, and so that's I think a very common factor and anybody who is more intelligent and advanced on a spiritual level would never interfere in another individual's development because that would actually hurt that person because if they're not getting it through their own development struggle and understanding through their learning process, then it's not gonna really have any meaning. You know, it's kind of like, okay, we were able to discover, you know, splitting an atom. And so that's the incredible thing. Can we, you know, utilize it for a positive purpose? Well, yeah, you can create, you know, power plants and turns out they can be incredibly dangerous in their own right, but we can also, what else can we do with the waste that they make? We can create nuclear bombs and, you know, so it's like, why would they wanna give us technology that we've already demonstrated we don't have the capacity to use an intelligent way? I mean, it's something that can happen over a period of time but I see it as happening over a period of many, many hundreds, maybe thousands of years. It could happen faster. I just, it just seems like it's so obvious that everybody on this planet are still kind of lost in the same struggles of their past, you know, they're living in their past. I hear this over and over and over again with every extraterrestrial expert who comes on this show. So you're definitely right in the path of what everybody else brings up. And same question, what about with all your contact experiences, what kind of information or downloads you were talking about feeling like things were firing. So you came back with all of this. Is there information you now have that you never had before that they imparted to you? Absolutely. I'll just give one demonstration of something that a lot of these are actual experiences that are happening in my dream state. And I had a, my mother died when I was about 10 years old and she had cancer, breast cancer and she was in the next room and she was having a tremendous pain. She was screaming, you know, went on for years and then she finally passed. That was horrible, you know? I mean, it affected me, it affected my brothers. It was horrible for my dad. And I was just in complete and total shock as being a 10-year-old kid who is not understanding this and having tremendous insomnia. And I would have these nightmares where the name of the street I lived on, I don't know why this filtered into the whole experience was Gravier Street. 103, I still remember 103 to Gravier Street. Anyway, so the whole main mental picture I have of that time is just so scary and so dark because I was terrified. I had no idea what was going on. So I would just black out in these nightmares and it went on and then it finally kind of dissipated as I got older and we got into surfing. That really helped me out tremendously. I thought, when I started surfing and I started really getting into it, it was like, okay, I'm a happy person. I'm as happy as I could ever be. There's nothing now that I could possibly do that would make me happier. And of course that lasted for a certain amount of time but then all of a sudden, it wasn't doing it for me anymore. And that's when I started having a lot of these spiritual experiences because there had to be more to life than just surfing waves and being involved in that. And so anyway, so I evolved out of that. And my mother then as I continued to study about past lives and try to understand some of the psychic implications of the astral worlds and the people who are influencing and affecting us, who we can't see whether they're people who have left their physical bodies and are stuck in a negative state of consciousness or just thought form bodies that are just obsessions that are disconnected because somebody just is so depressed or suicidal or whatever. So anyway, the experience came out in a way that all of a sudden I realized that my mother had been in a cell next to me when during the religious wars and that she was tortured to death and they used to cut off the women's breaths. And that's what she had. She had a, you know, the second or whatever, none of us had to make the other kind of thing. Anyway, so that past lifetime. Massectomy. Yeah, massectomy. That particular past lifetime where she was my mother in that lifetime and I was a young kid in that lifetime, now it's repeating itself because the energy's already been instilled within my psychic and it has to repeat in a way so that I can overcome the problem that was there. But at the time I didn't have any knowledge or understanding of how to do it, but now I did. You know, now I had this understanding that all of a sudden these other people in these higher spiritual worlds were helping me. And the first thing that happened, I felt the same feeling that I used to feel when I'd had these nightmares, just a complete blackout. And then this time I began to open my consciousness and I heard this like angelic voice telling me, okay, these are the lower astral forces that are trying to, you know, basically destroy your consciousness and you have to face it, you have to face that fear. So I said, okay, I'm gonna fight, I'm gonna face this fear. I'm not gonna allow myself to be afraid of this. So I wanted to see it, you know? And then I started feeling like I was being lifted up and I was coming out of it and then all of a sudden they stormed me even more. It was like a billion gigantic mosquitoes all biting me at once. And just totally swarming on me. And so I continued fighting. And it seemed like it went on the entire night. And this other voice, this angelic voice kept telling me, keep going, you can overcome this. And so I just said, yep, I can overcome this. May I ask you, when you say things like mosquitoes biting you or bugs biting you, what were they actually? Actually, you know, that would be a very abstract question for me to answer, but they actually are lower astral forces that I had created out of my fear and that through your thoughts, you can create, in other words, you create the Frankenstein monster and it comes back to kill you. So I had created what basically became something that was draining my energy and was causing me to have these horrible nightmares. It would affect me in ways that I wasn't really aware of. And so as I began to continue to try to face that energy, all of a sudden I was on my bed and I was laying there. You know, and it was like I was in the dream, but I was actually on my bed and it was like everything was awake. And I was in this really, really lucid state. And then right next to me on the bed is this, I call them a muscular demon. It was just this monstrous looking green. It was like kind of like a Hulk type thing, but I just felt this hatred in his eyes. His eyes were bright red and he was just beaming at me like I'm gonna kill you, I'm gonna murder you. And I just looked over and I go, I'm not afraid of you anymore. You're gonna have to just go on and let yourself be helped just like I'm being helped. And all of a sudden I saw him and he began the red beam of light kind of just disappeared from his eyes. And then he changed his form and he completely dissipated into myself. It was me and I felt myself in both bodies. That's what was so amazing. And so at that point, I've never had those nightmares since that time. In other words, I felt like I wasn't even touching the ground for, I don't know, about a month after that. It was just so, so powerful of a healing. But then I had a lot of other stuff that I had to deal with and I still do. But those particular obsessions or that negative aspect has, I've been freed of it, I've healed myself of it. So that's what I've come here to do. And I need to do a lot more of it. And most people do have a particular mission that's different for each person. That's such a powerful story. I would imagine when each of these episodes is complete and you have so released this pattern that you've been living under which obviously affects everything in your life that when you come back, you're an entirely different person. Your operating system is completely different. Well, that's the other thing about, you know, the interesting universal principle, I guess you could say that we're trying to talk about is that as you have these healing experiences that are coming directly from your psychic body, it's actually the energy body itself that you can't see just recreating the physical body. That body is stepped up in frequency when you have a healing, when one of these horrible black blotches within it is able to be cleansed and healed. And so what happens is your psychic body is stepped up to a slightly higher frequency and that also relates into your physical body. So even your physical body now has a slightly finer relationship to the basic intelligence, whatever you wanna call it, your spiritual nature. And so you become a little more sensitive and then you have another one and you become, and eventually you get to a point to where you've become so refined after a lot of this type of stuff, obviously 1000, who knows how long it would take, that you don't even really come back into a dimension where the physical relationship of life exists. You're actually gonna function in a higher frequency in a place where you can't even, your imagination can't hardly even take you to the level of joy, of purity, of creativity that you're going to be able to function on and live on. It's just, it's like almost like you're a part of the creating of the universes as they exist in an infinite number of dimensions. So you can see it just goes on and on and on. Beautiful, I love it. You are also a student and a teacher, and forgive me if I say this wrong, Unarius Academy of Science. Unarius, yeah, go ahead. And also a channel and a spokesperson for the Universal Brotherhood of Light at Unarius. I was just wondering if you could unpack that a little bit. What does that mean? What are those implications? Well, that was where I think I had the most profound experiences with connecting with somebody who was a super, super advanced spiritual teacher. And a lot of people would call it a cult or they would say it's this or that. And it doesn't matter. It's like the power that I felt from the teacher and from the teachings and from the books that they have they have, I should think about 200 books that they've put out. And when you read the books, when I first started reading the books, I'd be reading the pages and it was like I was just scanning this higher frequency energy that was just flowing through me. That went on for quite a while. And then it got to a point to where, okay, you can raise your frequency so far and then you have to work stuff out because now the blocks come in. You know, the negative stuff that you have to deal with. And as you work those through and you nearest describes it in an incredible way, how this process works, then you actually start to become more aware of your connection with your spiritual self and also with your purpose, your main important purpose in which is so important that you can't even fathom it until you go over to the other side because it's just, it's mind boggling the change in seeing the reality of life and what it truly is and then what the average reality of a human being living in this physical world would believe it is. I've never even heard of Eunarius before and that's amazing because I'm in the same world as you and it hasn't become really large scale but I mean, everybody needs to find their own connection with whatever teachings are because I went through a lot of teachings before that. I mean, just reading books and that's what it was with Eunarius. I just read the books and then there was other elements involved but I think that's where you begin to pick up information. Like I read all of the Carlos Castaneda books. I think I started with Cess Speaks. She'd be smoking a cigarette, drinking a beer, channeling, I suppose it's spiritual information but I mean, to me it was fascinating. It was very philosophical, it was interesting. So everybody's gonna have a different take on all this different stuff and to me it was trying to understand that my ego is my own worst enemy or I'm my own worst enemy and that's my inability to have an open mind to something that kind of disturbs the status quo of what I believe and Eunarius was able to do incredible. It stands for universal, articulate, interdimensional understanding of science. That's U-N-A-R-I-U-S. So yeah, the teachers who brought it were the most advanced that I've ever been involved with. They're both gone now but you know. Okay, well that's very interesting and you yourself, I wanna talk about your creativity because you brought up creativity a lot. I have looked at your paintings, amazing. And your book too, I just wanna mention Solific Journey also has many of your paintings in it and you do this woodwork and this, talk about your inspiration, talk about your creativity or art, your painting, everything. What is it for you and how has it helped your consciousness? I think that creativity is gotta be the healthiest healing experience that I have been able to somehow connect with in my life because I didn't have it before those, you know, before the age of about 28. And since then, every time I go and I have a lot of different ways that I do it now. You know, there's, I got into computers, I got into Photoshop, I got into painting digitally. I still do acrylic paintings by hand. And so there's so many different ways that you can begin to learn all the different aspects that are involved in both art and the expression of art but also more importantly, the importance of expressing creativity as a means of connecting with that positive self, that positive higher consciousness that everybody has but a lot of times they're blocked off from it. So when I connect with a good painting that I'm doing when I'm really enjoying, they don't all turn out great. You know, sometimes you gotta delete, delete, delete. But a lot of the times they blow your mind just by the fact that something comes through that you didn't really think you knew how to do. So it's like, wow, where did that come from, you know? And so you really feel like you're something of a channel like I was talking about the transceiver, the receiver receiving the information and then being able to kind of apply it onto the canvas and then it carries the frequency. It carries that energy so that whoever looks at it but you know, hopefully it's going to be uplifted and feel that same positive information that went into it. And a huge part of it is just learning not to take your own ego and say, oh, look what I did, you know? I mean, that's harder, it's incredibly difficult to do even though you were a part of the process but that's I think what I'm learning more and more about is you have to let go of all your attachments to the various things that your ego wants to take credit for because that goes against the universal principles. That's not really true. It's not really there. I mean, you have an individual personality, you're an individual spiritual being but the attachments that you have created for yourself and you know, it could be drinking alcohol, it could be taking drugs, whatever. You know, if that's going to be something that's going to be negative in the sense of your progression, then you know, you have to take that into consideration and think about making some changes but it's going to be always different for everybody. I'm curious about how love has changed for you. I know you're married and I'm just curious like the before, the contact experience and the now of who you are. And I know that's a broad many decades but what I mean is were there contact experiences that actually changed who you are as a man around love and around relationship? You know, I think it has to do with each personality, has their own specific set of traits, you know? And so mine have to do with, I see love as something where you do not have any it's something that you just let go of, you know? In other words, you just try to be that love and allow it to radiate out but you don't try to control something. You know, I'm not really describing it very well. You know, it's just kind of the way that I've always seen it is that we are living embodiments of this infinite intelligent force which is pure love. And so I don't have any, I try not to have attachments to it. You know, and even if I have a relationship with someone and this is what I felt when I was on the ship between these individuals, the relationships that they had would be more intense than any relationship I could have with another person but they have it with everyone in their civilization. They all have that kind of relationship with each other because they love each other so much and they're so interested in just being helpful. And I don't know if I'm describing it very well, I'm struggling here a little bit but it's like a non-attached type of feeling and that's always been the way I've kind of related to love. It's different, you know, for each person my wife's completely different. She's very loving, nurturing in every way and very angelic in a lot of ways. So it's different than me. I'm more of the kind of the cold-hearted, non-attached love. But yeah, I'm learning, you know, there's probably a lot I need to learn in that department too. That's hilarious. And it's amazing because you guys have been married for a long time, yes? Yeah. Oh, when I first saw her, you know, it was just like, I asked her friend, I go, that girl, she seems so angelic, you know, she was, I could just see this beautiful, beautiful humility and love and energy, kind of like the girls that I saw on the ship. And so I was just amazed that I could feel that beautiful, beautiful energy. So it's different than, you know, certain types of other physical love to some extent but you know, that's a part of it too and everybody has a different relationship to that part of it. I mean, we all have our physical drives and desires, they don't ever go away. It's just part of being in the animal kingdom in a way. And as you evolve in the higher levels of consciousness, what we know as sex becomes something where it's no longer in the form that would be recognizable as sex, but it's a thousand times more intense. You know, it's so much more of a, you know, whatever it is that you're trying to experience and having sex. Now multiply that a million times and that's kind of the relationship. You know, I mean, I'm just going by again, what I felt and what I saw in those individuals and what I've learned. And that's the way I see it. You know, that the love is something that everyone on those more positive civilizations have for each other and as they develop into higher and higher spiritual worlds where they no longer have physical bodies, it even becomes more intense. In other words, you're not born out of somebody else's physical body in a physical way, like more of an animalistic way that we are here. You're actually, they bring you in through a mental process and they help you to develop and grow from being a child, but there's no physical relationship to it. So they're bringing their energies in, streaming them to you and you already know where you're going because you're developed enough. I don't know if this is making any sense. And so between you wanting to be a part of this family and this family wanting you to be a part of them, they focus their energy and you focus your energy. And so you're actually born into that world in kind of a materialization, but then you still have to continue on with your progression. Yeah, it's interesting. I've been doing a lot of research recently on the Zeta reticuli. And I'll call them a people for want of a better word, but the Zeta reticulis have this sense amongst them that they are one. They operate even though they're separate people, they still operate as a one consciousness, very much connected with the divine. And so for them, we earthlings are incredibly fascinating because we operate from individuality. So I just wonder, as you described this, it's different for sure than the Zeta reticuli because they are also devoid of emotion and they're coming to us and often do the contactee work because they want to learn about emotion so they can start to reincorporate that which they released and found didn't work for them, right? They want to get back the emotion, but it also sounds like this oneness you're describing is very much like what you experienced. What was that the board used to say? Something is futile. I don't know if you ever watched Star Trek. Yeah. No, I mean, that in a sense, I think that there are civilizations, I'm not saying that is relative to Zeta reticuli or any other civilization that you're talking about, but there are ones that have kind of gone in the wrong, gone in a direction that's not necessarily in a progressive way. And so they have extremely advanced technology, but they're actually going in reverse. In other words, they had advanced to a certain spiritual level, but then they began to utilize all that information that they had garnered through pure knowledge of this infinite intelligent force, started using it selfishly and then all of a sudden found themselves in a much lower frequencies, much lower world. And then even the fact that they had developed that energy and that power on that spiritual side, now all that energy is trapped. And so it actually creates an even worse situation for them because now they have to be able to develop themselves and pull out of that, all of the negative aspects of selfishness that they had already learned to overcome and the attachments to physical body in our physical world. This has been so cool. I'm really glad you came on and I have the opportunity to get to know you and your story. I saw something about you somewhere and I immediately became intrigued by you. And so I reached out and I'm really glad you said yes. How can people get ahold of you? Where can people work with you, see your stuff? Give us a little. Oh, we're, let's see. I don't know if anybody would wanna go do something like this, but I'm gonna have an art show at Star Works USA, which is this weekend actually. We're leaving on Thursday, me and my wife. Where is that? That it's Friday, Saturday and Sunday of this week and it's in Laughlin, Nevada. So it's kind of like in one of the casino hotels and but I'm gonna have a big, a bunch of my artwork there and there's gonna be a lot of speakers speaking about UFO activities and stuff. And Paula, she's the one who's putting it on. What's her last name? Anyway, my wife. Okay. I can't. And also Doug, I just wanna re-mention. DouglassTaylorVisionaryArt.com and your book is Solific Journey. No, it's Solic Journeys. Solic. I kind of sold out of the books. I think I have about 10 or 12 left. So I haven't really been kind of been hanging on to them just for the heck of it. But also the Conscious Life Expo, which happens in, at the LA Hilton, February 4th through the 7th. I always do a talk there and have my artwork out there too. And so people can meet me there or anything, contact me off my website. I'm on Facebook, Doug Art, something or other. I don't know, now it's Meta. It's not Facebook, it's not Meta. The Metaverse. Well, I wanna thank you for coming on the show. I wanna thank you for the opportunity to get to know you and for sharing your story. It's really been a pleasure and an honor. I've totally appreciated speaking with you. It's really wonderful. Yeah, such wonderful questions. And so we were kind of on the same frequency, I guess. We had a frequent relationship. Yep, it's been great. It's great. And I hope to see you sometime at Conscious Life Expo, for sure. Absolutely. Yeah. Really fun, we always have a good time there. Well, folks, I end this show with this quote from Demi Lovato, I believe in aliens. I think it would be way too selfish of us as mankind to believe we are the only life forms in the universe. We've had to reschedule Captain Randy Kramer because he had a situation in his life, but as we all do at times, but we are welcoming him back hopefully next week. And we are also bringing in a woman by the name of Morgan who deals with the fairy and Faye. And I have not gone there before, but as we say in the ETUFO world, boy, once you start going down that path, you get into all sorts of weird and wonderful things. So I cannot wait to have those conversations. Be sure to subscribe, like, leave a comment, and if you're enjoying this podcast and you would like to see what we look like, we invite you to go to youtube.com slash Debbie Daschinger. Thank you so much for joining us on this number one weekly transformation conversation. And remember, don't just dare to dream, dare to turn all your dreams into your reality. Thanks for joining us.