 All right. Good morning and welcome to this week's edition of Encompass Live. I am your host, Krista Porter, here at the Nebraska Library Commission. Encompass Live is the commission's weekly webinar series where we cover a variety of topics that may be of interest to libraries. We broadcast the show live every Wednesday morning at 10 a.m. Central time, but if you're unable to join us on Wednesdays, that's fine. We do record the show every week as we are doing today, and it will be available in our archives later for you to watch at your convenience. And I will show you at the end of today's show where you can access all of our recordings. Both the live show and the recordings are free and open to anyone to watch. So please share with your friends, family, neighbors, colleagues, anyone you think might be interested in any of the topics we have on Encompass Live. For those of you not from Nebraska, the Nebraska Library Commission is the state agency for libraries. We are similar to your state library, which is called a commission. So we provide services and training and resources to all types of libraries in the state. So we will have shows on Encompass Live for all types. Public, academic, K-12, corrections, museums, archives, anything and everything. Really, our only criteria is that it's something to do with libraries. Something cool libraries are doing, something we think they could be doing. Resources, we do book reviews, interviews, many training sessions, demos of services and products, all sorts of things. We have Nebraska Library Commission staff that sometimes do presentations for us on Encompass Live about resources and things we have available for the commission. But we also bring in guest speakers and that's what we have today. With us this morning is Lane Gibson. Good morning, Lane. And they're from our Lincoln City Libraries right here in Lincoln, just up the street. Well, I'm not sure if you are up the street from us or some, which branch you're at right now physically, but this is a decision that was, we had originally had scheduled back in March and unfortunately due to illness it got had to be canceled, but we're so glad we were able to get you back and have it rescheduled and that everyone was able to join us today. So I'm just going to hand it over to you, Lane, to talk us about that, to talk to us about reading the rainbow. Thank you so much, Krista. And I will be trying to make eye contact with my webcam here but we'll see how all that goes. So if I'm staring off to the distance is because I'm looking at the other monitor. So, and thank you to Encompass Live and the Nebraska Library Commission for having me and thanks to everyone who's attending. I'm excited, a little bit nervous to be presenting here today. So, there is a lot to get through. I will be talking relatively fast. I tend to be a fast talker. But if you've got questions or need clarification on something, feel free to put that in the chat and I will do my best to address it. So, welcome to Read the Rainbow, serving the LGBTQIA plus community in your library. And if you are confused or intimidated by all those letters, don't worry, because that's like my second slide. A bit about me. My name is Lane, as Krista mentioned, and I work at Lincoln City Library, specifically right now I work at the Gear Branch Library. So not just up the street but still in town here. My favorite genre is fantasy. I am also part of the ALAs Rainbow Roundtable. So that's the part of the American Library Association that specifically talks about LGBTQ issues and services in libraries. I'm also a member of the Barbara Gettings Literature Award for adult fiction, which is part of ALAs Stone Law Book Awards. So I have the honor and the privilege of getting a ton of LGBTQ adult fiction throughout the year and reading it and evaluating it and serving on the committee for that award. So I do read a lot of queer fiction. And I am also a board member for the Nebraska Library Association. I am the chair of the Bylawson Headbook Committee, as well as the chair for the Diversity Interest Group. So I'm very, very busy and usually very, very behind on things I need to get done, but that's just a bit about me. So all of the letters in that big old acronym we use, and I won't dwell too much on this just because there's so many other things to cover. But LGBTQIA, lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer, intersex and asexual. I have a little note here that saying is queer about word. A lot of people, especially not LGBTQ people are sort of afraid to use the word queer because historically has been used as a slur, just as gay has been used as a slur. I mean, when I was in school, that's what you called each other was gay as an insult. So queer is a reclaimed slur, which means that the community itself has decided to take the negative power away from that word and turn it into something positive. So at the current moment, and this noise change, but queer is the currently accepted academic term. So we refer to things like queer literature, queer media, queer studies, queer history, that's something you'll see in journals and academic papers. That being said, there are still members of our community, who if you had that word used against them in a derogatory way and have been traumatized by that word. So my general rule of thumb is if somebody tells you, hey, I have trauma associated with that word just don't use it with that and respect that. That being said, throughout this presentation, I will be using the word queer. So if that's an issue for you, just know that I'm going to be saying that for a lot. I'm going to jump in right here. Well, you've got that slide up there with all those. Oh, the next one too. Okay, someone asked about this and I was going to mention earlier and I just didn't. The slides will be available afterwards as well with the recording. So don't don't worry about trying to scribble down all of these things. Just sit back and listen, maybe take some notes if there's anything you do find interesting, but you will have these full slides available to you afterwards when we post the archive. Thank you, Christa. There's also going to be some links later on that obviously you won't be able to click now, but you will be able to click later. So here just some other identities or labels that are used that are under this LGBTQ umbrella here. Again, I'm not going to really go into all of them and explain what they mean. You are free to do that on your own, but be aware that there are many diverse identities within the LGBTQ community and everyone identifies differently. So what I will say is that, and this is applies throughout, you don't have to necessarily understand each identity, you just have to be able to accept those identities. So if somebody comes up to you and they say, well, I'm a pan romantic asexual non binary woman, you don't have to know what that means, but you should be able to say thank you for trusting me with that information. It's like me to refer to you, what pronouns to use something like that, you know, so you don't have to necessarily get it to be able to accept somebody's identity and to support that identity, and they will likely explain it to you if you ask in a way that is polite and not condescending or aggressive. So I see different versions of the pride flag, the standard flag is the Gilbert Baker flag, and that one actually has the pink stripe which a lot of moderns flags don't have. And the reason for that is because in like the 90s, when this flag was created it was really expensive to print pink. Well, but there is a pink flag, or a pink stripe there. The Philly pride flag has the black and the brown stripe and that one was created specifically in Philadelphia to bring attention to the struggles and issues faced by black indigenous people of color specifically within Philly in the LGBTQ community. And so those were added and then the progress quite quite what you see a lot now this days takes the Philly pride flag and that also adds the trans colors to again specifically highlight inclusion for the trans community as that became an issue. And also highlight that the rainbow flag it does represent everyone, regardless. So identities will have their own flags but the rainbow flag is a cover all so it's for everyone. And again, I would pull too much on that because you've got so much other stuff to get to but I'm happy to answer questions about that as well. So why do you dear library worker care about these issues. Well, your patrons are part of the queer community, your co workers are part of the queer community and the community that you serve has queer people in it. So one thing that I'll hear a lot is, Oh, well I don't know any trans people, or I've never met a trans person. And my response to that is always that you know of what because what you mean when you say I've never met a trans person is, I've never met a trans person who feels comfortable telling me that they're trans. So we're everywhere we're we're in cities like that, which is a joke. But there's also currently in our country and around the world as well. There is an organized and extremely well funded effort to silence and censor LGBT key voices and I'm sure as a library worker or someone who is aware of library issues. You already know that you already know the issues with book challenges and with censorship attempts going on throughout the country so it is very relevant and it is happening right now and it is happening everywhere so you are not immune to it. I did see that we've got folks from all over the country, which is great. Some of the stuff I will be talking about might be more specific to Nebraska or more specific to our those red state rural communities that we have but this is is a national issue so if something sounds sort of irrelevant to where you're at. Just hang with me. So. And again, especially in the smaller community something that I hear a lot in Nebraska is well there's no there's no queer people here, which is probably not true. So this is a poll from Gallup and I updated it for the 2022 numbers we don't have the ones yet. But it is the amount of people per generation that identify as a queer identity so, as you can see, almost 20% of Gen Z identifies as not straight or heterosexual. 11% of millennials, 3% of Gen X and then about 3% of baby boomers, and there's my graphic cut off but it also has the silent generation before baby boomers, if you look this up. But that is the percentages may seem small but if you take that on a huge scale, you know 20% of Gen Z. That's a lot of people. That's a lot of young adults because the jet of oldest Gen Z is now you know 27, 28 years old. So, we are here. And you probably do know someone with an LGBTQ identity and statistically they're bisexual because that's what most people in this group identify as but just to point out and then what more than one million non binary adults live in the US, which was a study that they conducted. So a million people self identified voluntarily as non binary and that's not including the people who didn't want to out themself on a Gallup poll right so these numbers are probably higher. And again, if you're in a very small town and you're just like well these issues don't apply to me there's no people here. You know in my town of 500 people, they're probably are. And if you don't know that there are that that's probably because they don't feel safe expressing that identity, which you as a librarian can directly do the job to solve. So, the Trevor project with it, which is a nonprofit serving LGBTQ youth did this again this is from 2022 a national survey. I will go over all of these but if you want to take a look that. And I hate to dwell on the sad, sad statistics because I think we are somewhat aware of them. 35% of LGBTQ youth seriously considered attempting suicide, and nearly one in five transgender and non binary attempted suicide, and then the youth of color have even higher rates than that and that is. I feel like half that is so high and that is an acceptable number of queer youth who feel suicidal, primarily due to the discrimination they face because of their identities. If you look at the next one it's youth who felt social support attempted reported attempting suicide less than half of the rate as those who felt no support so obviously support is a huge factor and supporting you in their identities is a huge factor in not only helping them feel better and helping them thrive but also keeping them alive. So I just want to emphasize that when queer activists. Talk about how our kids are dying that's not an exaggeration that's not being dramatic. That's not being morbid for the sake of making a point that is just the straight facts. So this is when we say this is live or death, we do genuinely need it. And again as a librarian or as an educator, you can directly have an impact on making kids feel safe and adults to. But one thing that. So those are the sad statistics but one thing this survey did ask was what brings you joy. And I am so happy that that question was asked. So here are some of the responses that they got and I pointed out some ones that we as librarians as library workers as educators can directly affect so learning about LGBTQ history of being allies. This is a true representation, showing kids that they are not alone, and that there are people like them, again being supported having a safe space to express themselves. This one is my favorite escapism slash fantasy slash fandom, and I work a lot with teens. I'm a team programmer here at my library so I'm working a lot with that demographic. This is absolutely true a lot of kids, especially LGBTQ kids find a safe space to express themselves through fandom through the books that they read the shows that they watch the comics that they're into and being able to explore identity through fiction and that is a huge thing and I mean I get adults do that too. Especially for kids. That is a huge thing. So, by being supportive by creating a safe space within your library by giving positive representation through the form of representative materials. You are able to make kids feel joy and feel affirmed and who they are, and that they don't have to be ashamed or that they don't have to hide or that they don't have to be scared for their wellbeing by just being themselves. I feel like also on this list of what brings you joy so many things that are things that bring everyone joy. Yes, I mean, cooking pets your animals, dancing, faith and spirituality, going to college athletics so many. No different. There's so many things that are the same about us all. There is something that you also hear a lot is like, oh, like my kid on social media decided that they were going to be trans so they can get clout on tiktok or whatever. And now all they do is talk about gender and think about gender and they didn't used to do that before. And it's that trans contagion. You know, we don't, queer people don't just sit around all day thinking about being queer. It does impact a lot of our life, but we are just regular people who like doing things like dancing and financial stability who doesn't get joy for being trans. But like cooking I love to cook. I love to create art. I love to write. I love to cake decorate. That's one of my hobbies, you know, like, if the world would just accept identities, then people wouldn't have to think about it all the time, right. So, yeah, definitely. And so ways that by most common ways that LGBTQ youth reported feeling supported by parents or caregivers. And you can look at that here and the main one is just, again, being supportive, been welcomed, or welcoming to LGBT friends and partners. Remember that kids listen, kids especially listen. So if they hear you talking negatively about LGBTQ people in general, then no, they're not going to come up to you because you've proven that you're not safe. Right. Respectfully asking questions and talking about their identities. Using their name and pronouns correctly. That's a huge one. And that's literally the easiest thing to do. If somebody tells you what pronouncies, just use those pronouns and you don't have to argue, you don't have to ask questions, just do it. And it's okay if you have trouble adjusting. If you use the wrong pronoun say, Oh, I'm sorry, correct yourself and then move on. I always find that it's worse when I get this overly apologetic sort of like, Oh my God, I'm so sorry I didn't mean to I just wasn't like, yep, whatever. That's worse than being misgendered so just, I'm sorry, correct yourself move on. Easiest thing in the world to do right. You know, support gender expression and educating yourself if you don't know what an identity is so if somebody a trusted person comes or somebody comes to you as their trusted person and says I'm asexual and you don't know what that means. Instead of grilling them on the spot say okay I'm going to research that more and look into different resources and educate yourself on what that means. So, what can you do. And this is going to focus more than specifically on libraries here is make sure that your collection is diverse and intersectionally representative so in the mid 2000s there was a bunch of queer young adult literature that came out that I described as the sad white boy coming out story because it was a cisgendered white young man who was gay and he had a sad coming out story and was probably fully and then at the end of the book, he has his boyfriend and it's sort of happily ever after. That's not very intersectionally representative right you want to make sure that you're representing queer voices of color. Disabled queer voices from different voices from different economic and social classes you know you want everything to be represented. So part of that too having an inclusive and proactively inclusive policy. So don't just wait for something bad to happen in order to create a policy to combat it make sure you have policies on deck and a lot of that was going to be intellectual freedom which I'll talk more about have LGBTQ inclusive programming, which can be the form of book clubs outreach, really any program that you normally do you can make it LGBTQ inclusive right. Community education positive allyship and advocacy so let's let's go over a few of these things more. So representation again this is from that Trevor project survey 89% of queer youth reported that seeing LGBTQ representation and TV and movies made them feel good about their identity so that's the power of positive representation right and we hear that story again and again. If you need backup. If somebody challenges that representation, you can look to LA is policy, and this was written in 2010 and it hasn't necessarily been updated since then because they're a pit state or their stats on this hasn't changed, which is that you have an obligation to resist efforts that systematically exclude materials dealing with any subject matter, including sex gender identity gender expression and sexual orientation. So as a librarian you are obligated to resist attempts of censorship and challenges to intellectual freedom and specifically you are obligated to resist those efforts against queer material. So you've got the LA backing you up. So collection development this is what people always want to ask about is, I want to have all of these inclusive books this positive representation in my library. Where do I go. How do I find those books. So I mentioned earlier I'm on the Stonewall Book Award Committee. Every year, Stonewall Book Awards will release their top 10 lists. And that's, there's the adult fiction adult nonfiction and then there's huge fiction and youth nonfiction. So you've got those lists and again those are committees that comprise library professionals from across the country all reading and evaluating these books so you know the things on those lists are usually good, and you can also justify purchasing those to your administration by saying look there are more winners, which I know we have to hear a lot. So similarly the LA rainbow on table also releases every year it's called the rainbow book list. And so this is a huge list, like there's 100 so books on this list for youth and adults. And that gets released yearly and they also have a blog that will review these books regularly so that's a great resource. The over the rainbow book list, which is another LA thing. Very similar. This LGBTQ rates this is one of my favorite websites. It is just a collection of LGBTQ titles including new release titles that they will talk about and summarize and review. The great thing about that website in particular is you can also search narrow down and search by age group and then search by identity so you want young adult fiction with bisexual protagonists you can search specifically for that, or you want picture books that show mixed families and you can specifically search for that so this is a great resource you can also subscribe to the newsletter and get once a week. Our top five this week or cover reveals or something that so I would definitely recommend that publisher lists. So all of the major publishers now so McMillan penguin. tour is a big one. You can have LGBTQ book lists that you can look at if you use like a device. For your advanced reader copies you can filter by LGBTQ titles. I know right now a device has the several publishers on a device have like upcoming new release of LGBTQ book lists for pride, which is in June so now is a great time to look at those lists because they all come out. Perfect timing to prepare didn't even think about that. And queer literature is a somewhat contentious term and if you ask 10 different people what it means you're going to get 10 different answers, but largely I will describe for literature as any work written by or for the LGBT community so it's pretty broad, right. And there's again, a lot of different resources these ones are just my favorites. I'm another thing you can do is just ask your community like. In June if you put up a pride display which I would encourage you to do is put up a private display in June, have a little, like little slips of paper that sense what's your favorite LGBT book. So if you look over those and see if you can have this collection. Yes, you will get trolls in those replies but just throw them away. Happens here too. So this is just some publishers again all of the major publishers Simon and Schuster McMillan penguin they all have queer books. I put tour over, especially on my notepad because tour has so many queer books and I received like two box huge boxes of tour books for the fiction award committee that I'm on. So they're one of my favorites, especially for genre fiction boom studios does comics graphic novels and there's a ton of your titles from those as well. Again just take a look, lots of different publishers doing a lot of inclusive and more and more now we see it used to be that you can only get queer books from in the or sort of underground publishers. And now you can get that from me to publishers so great for collection development when you can only buy from like the three big ones, right. So cataloging this is another big, big question is where do we put these books. Well, the answer is you put them where you would put any other book that fall into that category so you shelf. You put YA books in your YA section you put picture books in your picture book section you put adult fiction in your adult fiction section right. Now, subject headings, make sure, or at least be aware of what subject headings you're using. So the example like this transgender people versus transvestites our catalog stories that for some of our older material still has the subject heading of transvestite. That was the acceptable term to use in the 70s and 80s that that is absolutely not an acceptable term to use in 2023. So, you know, be aware of that. Nonfiction, so a lot of this comes to nonfiction. So the Dewey 306.77 that is for abnormal or deviant sexual behavior. So what I would encourage you to do is look in your catalog and see how much of your queer nonfiction is under 306.77. There are people who have come up to me after this presentation and they're like I looked in our library and every single one of our queer fiction books are still under that that number. So, obviously, we don't want to describe queerness as an abnormal or deviant sexual behavior because it is not. We also don't want books about LGBT history next to a book about pedophilia. That's not great. That look as the kids say so take a look at that also. And this, this is a tricky one. So is harmful material cataloged the same as neutral or positive information. A lot of books, especially books that have been coming out recently specifically about transgender issues are written and made specifically to look like they are positive and affirming books with actually they are full of dangerous misinformation and anti trans rhetoric that is very, very harmful to trans people. But unfortunately, these books will get the same subject headings as a genuinely positive and affirming book, which will lead to people specifically like queer people and trans people who are looking for advice and guidance and safety to get a book that is kind of apart and essentially re traumatizing them and I had that happen with several of my patrons who have come up to me and said I thought this book was going to help me, you know I just came out I thought this book was going to help me, but instead it just made me feel really awful because it said that my identity was fake and that I wasn't real and that I was just seeking attention all right. And that's a tricky issue it really is because as as libraries we do try to maintain neutrality. I'm not saying we shouldn't have those books on the shelves, especially if there is a demand for them as much as I hated it right. If people check out those books. It makes me feel unsafe that a person is reading that and possibly believing that as a trans person, but that's our job. So, and I have to be honest, I don't have a solution for that. I, there's no easy answer to have to solve that problem. It's just something that I really want people to be aware of. And similarly, when you're, if you're putting together your trans day remembrance display. Make sure the books that you're putting on that display actually are positive and affirming representation, because it's one thing for the book to be on the shelf, or easily findable through a catalog. It's a completely other thing for you as a library staff to consciously put a book on display because that is an endorsement right. You have decided this book is worthy of being promoted above other books by taking it out and drawing attention to it specifically so just just be aware of it. Flip through it. Look for some of the dog whistles, which I'll go over later, but be aware of it. Another thing is, is all of your LGBTQ material automatically or the fact to classify as adults, even if it is not necessarily adult material for a long time, all of our graphic novel, a queer graphic novel, it would automatically go to the 741.5 adult section. Instead of going to our young adult graphic novel section, even though it was about teenagers or middle schoolers. And it was clearly a YA or junior book, but because it had queer people in it, it automatically got sent to adult. So be aware of that. And that's if that's the part of having a proactive policy right is do we automatically self censor by hiding all of our queer stuff in the adult material, or in the adult section. Another question is, should you inch file or indicate so do you use by labels or other markers stickers whatever to identify LGBTQ material. What are the positive intentions behind that because you want to make it easier to find for the people who want it, but it also leads to privacy issues, safety issues, it can also then just put a big target on any given book for a censorship attempt. So if you're putting rainbow stickers and all of your queer books. That's kind of giving an indicator to the people who are coming into libraries specifically to take those books and destroy them or to hide them that these are the books that I have. And I know that sucks, because I also would love to be able to just be able to quickly and clearly indicate for me people who want them what those books are. But again, that's the present reality of the situation we're in. So I would always say, inter file, shelf them with other like materials, don't indicate that they are specifically queer. They're going to have stonewall winners. They're going to have that stonewall sticker on them anyway so there's already kind of that. But yeah, inter file, don't indicate. So, proactive policy. If you have a library card signups, do you ask for sex markers? Like, do you really need to indicate male or female for someone signing up their library card? Like, why do you need that information? Having the ability to use a preferred name. So in our system, we use Cersei Dynex here at Lincoln. There's their legal name and then there's a box you can put preferred name and check that so that all that you see on the customer side and on our side too. So if you're able to enact that, I would encourage you to do that. And the question I always ask, if you're struggling on how to ask, I always say is the name on your ID, the name you normally go by. And people, some people will be like, well, yes, of course, other people will be like, oh no, you know, it says Jeffrey, I got my Jeff, which is also important. You know, we want to, you want to respect people's choice of what they want to be called. But seeing like a little, especially kids, for me, and teenagers seeing a queer teen sort of light up, knowing that they don't have to put their legal name onto their library card. And that in the library, they will be known exclusively as their chosen name. That's really important. So like bathrooms, do you have gender inclusive bathrooms? Do you know how you would respond if somebody comes up to you and says, hey, there's somebody, there's someone's in the wrong bathroom, how would you respond to that? Meeting rooms are a tricky one. We've hosted here in Lincoln, we've hosted anti-trans groups in our meeting rooms. And I, the trans employee was the one who had to go in there and fix their projector for them so they could watch their propaganda videos, which was a weird feeling that I didn't enjoy. We want our, you know, obviously meeting rooms are open to anybody, as long as it's not causing you to disturbance or breaking library rules, but just, it's good to be aware of who is in your meeting rooms. So if you have an, you know, an anti-trans hate group, sorry, if you have an anti-trans hate group in your library, in your meeting rooms, be aware of that. So if they do need help, you don't send your trans employee in there, right, because that's not safe for them. Staff training, so again, we had a pronoun training here in Lincoln. But make sure your staff is just aware of these issues too. And then how do you deal with harassment and safety issues, especially for queer staff, like are your staff protected, are your staff safe? That's really important. And we talk a lot about, again, protecting our customers and ensuring a safe space for your customers. But that extends just as much to your staff, especially your queer staff who has to deal every single day with seeing challenges and censorship attempts against queer materials. It gets tiring, it gets exhausting, it gets demoralizing really, really quick. So what are you doing to look after your people? And I'll get back to challenges in a bit here, because that's a whole other thing. Programming. So Drag Queen Storytime is obviously controversial in certain ways. Let me go ahead. And if you have any fears, let me assuage them. Drag Queen Storytime is not sexual. It is not the same drag show that you'll see at, you know, midnight on a Saturday night in a gay bar. It is just a drag queen who is dressed in a very fun and colorful and very appropriate outfit, reading a picture book to kids who like colorful, loud people, right? That's all it is. And Drag Queen Storytime or Drag Queen Story Hour is actually, there's a national organization. So if you want to host a Drag Queen Story Hour, reach out to your local chapter of Drag Queen Story Hour and ask for a reader. And their readers are trained and they're also fully background chat. So all of those issues that can go up with having drag queens around kids. Drag Queen Story Hour has thought of those and has proactively prepared for those. Reach out to that official organization and they will help you. And they also know how to deal with challenges really well. So reach out to them and they will help you put together an event. I would very much encourage that. Inclusive language. So I mean, it's really easy instead of saying boys and girls, kiddos, friends. In Alaska, we save folks all the time. So, you know, that's a good gender neutral way to address the crowd as folks. Teens. So again, there's a lot under here because I work a lot with teens. Doing a special pride event. We had an LGBTQ book batch where we just talked about queer YA that the kids really enjoy. And then I have D&D under a queer inclusive programming and I absolutely stand by that. D&D is a great way for kids to explore identity. And so the kids who are quite ready to come out yet as trans are able to come into my D&D sessions and play a character of their identified gender and be referred to as the name that they choose and the that's really affirming it positive for them. So I highly encourage D&D as a inclusive program and I will always talk more about D&D and its benefits, but that's a disinformation. So I run, for adults, I run an LGBTQ book club. You can reach out to different local organizations if you don't feel comfortable hosting that. So here in Nebraska, one of our big local organizations called Out Nebraska that will help you coordinate speakers and trainings and whatever else. So if you personally don't feel comfortable putting together these sorts of things, reach out to your local LGBTQ groups, they will be more than happy to help. And I said something here using a platform. So what folks and voices are you promoting through displays and programming? I have to admit I do cringe a little every time one of my co-workers is like, yeah, we're going to have a Harry Potter diet and it's like, do we need to though? I'm also going to say, at least in my experience, teenagers aren't into Harry Potter anymore. So like, do we need to keep pushing that when the author is a transphobic icon and literally is like worshiped as a cult leader. But that's also a different presentation. But again, just be aware of what you're promoting and that anything that you put on display or create a program around that is your endorsement of that material. So be aware of the implications of that enforcement. So the main thing with displays is that Pride is more than June. So if you only show queer books during June, you're not doing enough. Make sure you are incorporating those intersectional, that intersectional representation on all of your displays and be aware of that. And you can go over this too. Again, these slides will be available, but these are just a couple of dates that you could create displays about if you wanted to. Again, and even at my library, we really don't have a display for all of these things, but we make an effort to include LGBTQ voices in all of our displays, including our youth displays. So, you know, I didn't know that one today right there on your list of the International Chess Day Against Homophobia today. Oh, so it is happy. We didn't even plan that this is a complete coincidence. So again, staff, making sure your staff is safe. The big ones that I'll talk about is tokenism. So if you have your one out queer employee, don't make them be the one who has to do all of the pride displays and all of the purchasing for queer materials and all. You know, it should be spread out. Don't make your one out queer person be the, you know, I will describe it because this has happened to me several times. I am not the LGBTQ Lorax. I do not speak for the queers. Okay, so make just make sure you're not doing that. And again, it comes from a good place of wanting. Oh, well, you're a member of this community. So you should be representing them. Ask because a lot of people don't want to be the representative for their entire community. They just want to do their job. So if you don't expect your queer staff to constantly out themselves at work similarly, and this just applies generally, don't ever out a queer person without their permission to do so. So if you're talking to someone and you're like, Oh, well, my co-worker is trans. So unless you've asked specifically that that trans person wants to be outed as trans to your friend, right? So that's just sort of a general, it's a respect thing and it's a safety thing and it's a privacy thing. So again, it's always best to just ask in confidence before assuming anything. Okay, so another thing with this too is for name badges, including pronouns on name badges become sort of a popular thing. That comes again from a really good spot, but do ask your not cisgender employees if they necessarily want that. My system gave the option of adding your pronouns to your name badge. And I emphatically said no because my options were to either lie about what my preferred pronouns was or automatically out myself since I don't necessarily pass to every single customer that sees my name tag. I didn't want to do either of those options. So my name tag currently does not have pronouns on it because I didn't feel safe. Okay, so challenges and advocacy and this is the big one. So, again, we're seeing this all across the country and this comes through formal challenges so people who actually bother filling up the forms. Quiet censorship is a big one. And it's coming from community members from your co-workers, library workers and from your customers. Like I mentioned earlier, there are these big national organized efforts to do things like hide the pride was a big one. And I, at least at my library, we have that almost every single day where we find an LGBTQ book that has been purposefully hidden or misplaced so other people can't find it. And also, staff safety plays into that too. So, I will say, the Nebraska Library Association's intellectual freedom roundtable does want people to report in Nebraska reports challenges that you formal or informal challenges to them so they can keep a record of it. Similarly, if you have formal challenges, you can report those to ALA, not that they'll necessarily do anything about it, but there is a record of it so we can see how big of a problem it actually is. Also check with your state library association or your state library. If you're outside of Nebraska, I don't know what other states have but ask and see if there's an intellectual freedom committee or an intellectual freedom roundtable that records those challenges. So, censorship. Self-censorship is a huge thing. So if you're specifically excluding materials with LGBTQ content to avoid conflict challenges, difficult conversations, then you are practicing self-censorship. I've talked to a lot of people who have said, well, I don't want to order those books because I know they'll be challenged and that will bring a whole bunch of controversy and a whole bunch of litigation or whatever else and I just don't want to deal with that. I understand that nobody wants to deal with that, but by preemptively excluding potentially controversial materials, you're also preventing people who need those materials from ever accessing them. You're denying people the opportunity to make that decision for themselves. And especially as a public library, that's not really our place to make those decisions for people. As a school librarian, you know, it's a bit of a different situation, but in the same way, there are kids in your school that need those books. So you need to at least give them the opportunity to seek them out as you get that information that they want. Re-categorizing materials. So this was an issue in Nebraska recently, but it's been an issue everywhere. Moving challenged materials or potentially challenged materials to the adult section is a form of censorship. It is a youth item and you are not keeping it in the youth section because you don't want someone to challenge it being there. That is a form of censorship. And I know again, I get it, I'm conflict avoidant, believe it or not. I don't like having these difficult, nasty conversations. They're hard. They're emotionally difficult. And there's other things you want to get on with, right? So I do understand the impulse to do that, but it is censorship and it is something you should not be doing. Again, give people who might need those books the opportunity to find those books. And I guarantee you that you could, by having that book out there for someone, especially for a kid, you could change that person's life. You could change that kid's life. You could be, it could be the difference between that kid feeling suicidal and that kid feeling secure in themselves. Oh, right. Yes. But that's true. So how those materials available, same, like I've seen fiction, LGBTQ fiction moved to the nonfiction section just to avoid potential conflict. So instead of it being in fiction, it then gets moved to with all of the other LGBTQ nonfiction books. So it's kind of just a big queer section. Not great. Don't do it. That one confuses me totally. It's not, I mean, fiction and nonfiction, there's not really a. How do you even make that argument? I don't get that one at all. And yet people do so. And then so censorship versus selection. And this is something that we deal with all the time right as librarians. There's a difference between specifically excluding queer materials because you're trying to avoid conflict, opposed to based on, you know, the statistics you have the usage and circulation statistics that are available to you and all the other people thinking this book wouldn't be relevant to my community or wouldn't be popular in my community or wouldn't get checked out. Now, have you on that is don't assume that just because a book is queer, it wouldn't be checked out. But you know, if you're like the, my very small town library of, you know, in my town of 500 people, the majority of the library are age 65 plus and they like reading historical fiction and murder mysteries, you know, a young adult book about a drag show might not be something that goes with, you know, what you'd normally order. That being said, there are books that would be popular amongst a 65 plus crowd that are a murder mystery or historical fiction that are also queer. So, you know, there's, and the thing about queer fiction is it comes for all audiences and for all different genres so there's really no excuse to not have it at this point in time. So, there's queer spy, sci-fi, there's queer fantasy, there's queer historical fiction, there's queer murder mysteries, there's queer, you know, there's queer cookbooks, there's queer gardening books, there's everything so no excuse to not have it. And obviously use your own personal judgment, but worst case scenario if the book is so popular it'll get weeded anyway based on circulation statistics after a couple years, right? So have the book available for the people who need it even if you don't think that anybody in your community needs it. And honestly in those communities where you're like, oh well, there's no, again there's no queer people here, no one will read this. Those communities need it the most. Yeah. And being able to expose people to different cultures and different ideas is a very powerful tool of the public library. And again, and someone just is commenting here about it saying it's also you're talking about these small towns are the only people that use the library they're 65 plus. Is that what your entire town is made of, made up of his people though, you know this person commenting, if you expand and you've got to try it out like you said, put books in your library of all topics that maybe those 65 plus people are not interested in, and you'll bring in the rest of your community to use the library. You're not using it because there's nothing for them, put something in there and try it out like you said your statistics will show that we tried it wasn't the right, you know, genre, whatever. It gets weeded we'll try some other topic. But you know that's a great comment from from the audience here that you want this is a hard thing in all types of library work, getting the non users to use the library how the heck do we do that. This is a way, think of the books that you don't think your people want put them in the library and then suddenly. And you know, even if a book doesn't check out necessarily someone coming in and seeing that you have that book available. That is an indicator to that that oh this is a safe place. This is a place where I am welcome. So even if they don't read that book by having that book there you are, that is part of creating a safe space in your library and making your library welcoming to everyone. Yeah, sends a great signal out there. Yeah, wonderful signal. So a bit more on the advocacy piece again report your challenges. Turn your customers into advocates. So, obviously, like as a public library and as part of a city department we're not allowed to, you know, have a political bias, one way or the other or we're not supposed to. But turn your customers into advocates for the library and then the other aspects will come for it so most people are pro library, like the large majority of people in the country are pro library it's generally seen that libraries are good things to have. So if you, you know, let your customers know like we're facing a lot of challenges, we're facing a lot of people coming in with hateful rhetoric and trying to stop us from doing our jobs and from giving you the library service that you have come to expect. That's very galvanizing for for a lot of folks. So, and the community is is the people who you need to support up. So if you are co here for the NLA advocacy tool of the Nebraska Library Association and advocacy committee has worked really, really hard in order to foster advocacy in Nebraska libraries. I highly encourage you to check that out. If you're not in Nebraska again check with your local state organization whatever that may be and see if they've got an advocacy group working and how you can help with that. Okay, so a couple of the dog whistles to look out for, especially if you're reviewing a book that are anti queer, these ideas that any association that being queer automatically makes you a sexual deviant or a pervert that you are not safe to be around children that you are sexualizing children by affirming their identity, which is obviously untrue. Prairie and interest is a big one that word means nothing. By the way, like legally that term prairie and interest is so big that I mean literally anything. So, that's when they like to use a lot if you look at a bunch of the anti trans or the anti queer specifically book or education bills around the country they almost always the term prairie and interests because it is so ill defined. Referring to it is gender ideology that's a dog whistle for anti trans rhetoric, same with someone just writing to themselves as gender critical if they're gender critical that means that they are anti trans turf, which is a term we hear a lot, which is trans exclusionary radical feminist there's nothing radical or feminist about turf. I will also go ahead and say, well my controversial take your turf is not a slur it is just a term to describe transphobic woman, typically a woman, this woman who doesn't watch trans people to exist. And then the unfortunately because those are also the purple, white and green that's also the colors for the gender queer flags but it's also the like suffragette colors that have been co opted by these trans exclusive radical feminists. So, if you see that usually on Twitter, but just be aware of it. Things like family values protecting children or protecting women again they sound good we want to protect children want to protect and support women, but those terms are used to then get people into the anti trans, the on the anti trans train. Indoctrination again. No queer people are not indoctrinating and brainwashing children they're just trying to. We're not brainwashing your kids we're not trying to indoctrinate your kids we just don't want your kids to kill themselves, because we used to be depressed suicidal queer teenagers and we don't want that for kids. We want them to love themselves and feel a firm and be happy and thrive. And so I think that's one of both sides fallacy, especially in this argument, where in if one side is trans people are humans and should be afforded the same dignity of existence as everyone else at the other side is no they shouldn't that's not exactly a trans argument. So the idea that if you have affirming queer materials in your library, in order to be fair or to be neutral you have to have violent anti queer rhetoric also in your library. That is just categorically false that is not true that is not a true equivalency. So something that you will hear a lot is oh well you don't have anything from the other side well the other side wants us dead so, and we just want to be here so is that is that fair, you know, just think about it. And I always bring that up because that's what I hear a lot. Similarly, I mean if I say I am trans and my pronouns are he him. That's not my opinion that is a statement of a fact. So if you, if your opinion is that actually I'm not trans and that I'm a woman, you're just wrong is it's not your opinion, you're just wrong. Right. Okay, so that was my little side tangent on that. But again, it's something I hear a lot so again, there's a QR code here but when these slides are available there's a link this is just legislation of concern in 2023. That specifically affects libraries and a lot of it is anti queer a lot of it is preventing access to LGBTQ information or resources in libraries so it's good to just be aware. The ALA rainbow round table also has a toolkit, which is this huge document full of everything from collection development to how to deal with challenges to programming ideas, but everything else so that is a great resource. That I would absolutely recommend, especially if you need sort of a starting point. And then here's my contact information, both my work email and my personal email so if you have any questions or you want to follow up with something or just want to say hi, I like it when people say hi so there's that and then at the end here is just my, my source list with links but I'll leave that up there for right now and then again these slides will be available. Absolutely. That's all I have for you today. Yeah, awesome thank you. Thanks Lane this this was a wonderful session that we've talked about various LGBTQ issues on income as live and previous shows you all can look in our archives for previous sessions we've done and other things, but it's always good to have everything is changing. Things are changing so much and there's lots going on. And it's getting like you said more and more dangerous and an issue that we have to be on top of. So this is great so that we finally get you on the show anyone does have any questions, you want to ask we are a little after 11am but that's okay. We don't get kicked off our show because we hit the official end time will go as long as it takes for anyone has any questions or comments. So go ahead and type in your questions section I see that some are coming in that's great. We will stay as long as we need to answer them and get through everything. If you do have to take off because you just plan to be here till 11 that's fine we're recording so you can always come back and watch the recording. When I have that up probably by the end of the day tomorrow it should be up in process and ready for you all to watch. So yeah please any comments any questions you have any comments if you dealt with any of this at your library would love to hear your stories to. So let's see here what we've got first question. What programming do you recommend for ages five to 11. It's drag queen story time they already got that down. So what other kind of programming for that age of, you know, five to 11 so would that be between less than tween I guess I don't know where does tween start. So, I will say that again I usually do teen and adult stuff so youth programming isn't necessarily my my biggest legal house. But I would say for that age group, you don't need to necessarily have a queer specifically focused program. But having I mean in your like story time rosters right have books that include queer people queer protagonists mixed families, stuff like that just again included into your your story time or patient. I would also say anything that again kids can explore and express an identity and at that age, it's going to be. It's very fun to dress up and run around and pretend to be a princess or night or a dragon. But so one of the programs that we've had at our library it was sort of like Wild West themed. And so, instead of the kids either being a cowgirl or a cowboy, they just got to be a cow poke. And so, you know, I was like, you know, I was up and there wasn't like here are the girl hats and here are the boy hats it was just here are the ways you like, you can pick your horse and you can pick your cowboy hat, and you can design your own little, you know, share a badge and then we'll run around and play. And then I found people toolkits that I mentioned earlier that they do talk about youth programming. And I do apologize for that not being a very satisfactory answer. I'm not again, is not that that that younger group is not who I normally work with. So it was good to just try and make things not gender specific just be, you know, take that out of all of your planning and make it as non as you can and then they can do whatever they want. Yeah. We've had two things like crafts or color sheets that I mean I had a nine year old hand me a coloring sheet she did and she had colored it in the rainbow flag and then I think the pan flag. And she was like, this is me and she handed that to me and so just having that available. It was sweet and I was right. Yeah, your kids make me want to cry a lot. But, you know, just having that sort of thing available and when a kid does present that information to you, you know, be like, Oh my God, thank you so much for telling me that. I'm your trusted person that needs a lot to me. And then, you know, I'm going to hang this up right here. Stuff like that. Awesome. All right, we've got a bunch more questions coming in. That's great. So here's another one from the same person to what call number do you suggest for nonfiction, or, and they say is 612 is that. Yeah, so. Six. See, no, I'm getting called out. Well, yeah. It's just that that. What was it 306.7 that deviant it's abnormal sexual behavior one that you want to avoid. And at my library we pretty much moved out of that one. And then into the, there is a specific call number that is used for like LGBTQ history and stuff. And I don't remember what it is off the top of my head, but 612 sounds, sounds right. There's also I think there's another 301 that we put a lot of stuff in and I can picture it in my head on my shelf but again I don't remember what the actual call number is. I, yeah, say what the, what, what is the actual subject matter of it so is it history is it like poetry is it. Again is it talking about like a social movement of that where it belongs with other like items. And if you want to send me an email asking me that question and then I can actually like look it up and look what that number is I will totally do that. I just don't have that with me right now. Yeah. All right, thanks. Let's see. Sorry, I'm reading through this one because it's longer. Okay. All right, so for instance, I want to say thank you for the LA resource that's amazing. First, and then any suggestions for working with staff who tolerate but do not celebrate the queer community, particularly when we are doing pride displays and pride parade celebrations, while they aren't doing anything wrong in quotes, they also aren't making queer staff and community feel appreciated and welcome sounds like more of a will tolerate it but we're not going to go. Yeah, they tolerate but you're not celebrate. And that's, you know, that's an attitude you'll run into a lot and it kind of goes along with the, the cliche is, Oh, well I don't mind it just you know, do you have to be so loud about it or do you have to rub it in my face all the time. The response is, you know, existing and celebrating. Okay, so the actual response to that is I wouldn't have to celebrate it if people didn't try to actively stop me from existing right. The eventual goal of pride is that we no longer have to have it because it's just a very, just part of existence that we all acknowledge. I would say that as hard as it can be, especially if you yourself are part of the LGBT community meet those those folks where they're at. Don't be overly aggressive, but do try to educate and even just I mean so if you start them out with like a book recommendations so hey, you know, I know that you normally read. You normally read murder mysteries. Have you tried this book. That's a queer murder mystery and you don't even have to say that it's queer just you know recommend the books to them and have them read it and explore it themselves. I'm sort of like, I don't want to say sensitivity trainings because that's kind of a loaded term right but having a staff discussion like a community discussion and having the actual, if you have LGBTQ members on your staff who are comfortable sharing and talking to other experiences. Have them just say you know this is what it's like being a queer library staff member. I know I've had a lot of, I guess, impact at my library when we share those experiences and I say listen, I'm, I'm scared to come to work every single day. I'm scared to run teen programs and I'm scared to say the wrong thing because it would just take one parent saying that I did something wrong to their kid to, you know, get me fired, like it's scary it's intimidating it's exhausting. Those are harrowing experiences but hearing that directly from especially a co-worker that you work with every day can really open someone's willingness to challenge why, why pride would make them so uncomfortable and from that with myself. Yeah, it's awesome. Thank you. Um, either good question that says to be a quick one and if anyone is wondering the same thing they say oh they answered back thank you so much Lane great answer. Thank you that helps a lot. Can we email you scenarios of situations we have had with patrons and staff alike and ask for advice. I feel like it's too long to deal with on here right now, lol. And thank you so much for this. So I assume you know the emails are out there. Yes, absolutely email me. You can also, if you're in Nebraska as well. Email the NLA diversity it'll just get forwarded to me but as the diversity group that we're just kind of building up from scratch basically one of my goals for that group is to be able to provide support for libraries and dealing with the specific issues directly. You can email me directly again by work email is up there my personal email is up there but if you forget that if you just email NLA diverse NLA diversity I think I will also take a look at that there. Yeah, awesome thank you. How here's another one about how or what way do you recommend we try to adopt gender neutral or trans accepting bathrooms in the library. So, that, and that it will sort of depend on what your setup is so one of our libraries we had two single cell bathrooms that were literally exactly the same. So we just took down the signs and put up unisex bathroom signs and there was no, you know, nobody really noticed, because of the exact same bathroom and again it's a single cell so that's really easy if you have to be in that situation. Otherwise, I mean, again it's a tricky situation. It's really going to depend on if you feel it's something that you'd be able to do I mean if it's just taking down signs because most bathrooms are pretty much the same it's just usually one has urinals and 1000. So, I've seen it before where the science say bathroom and then bathroom with urinals, right, or anyone who's more comfortable using those they know which which one. Yeah, yeah. And I would say what primarily comes down to is how you as staff respond to if somebody reports that someone's in the wrong bathroom, and that will genuinely happen, especially at some of these bigger libraries. You know, there are, we tried to protect trans people but there are just genuinely creepy people out there, and oh yeah, people out there who will go into a bathroom to spy on people, and that obviously needs to be addressed and dealt with, but I think it's mostly comes down to how you respond to if somebody says someone's in the wrong bathroom, which I would go you know, check make sure you know okay there's not genuinely some creep and they're taking pictures. And then just say, you know, have a point like people can use whatever bathroom that they feel most comfortable using as long as they're not bothering anyone else or they're not, you know, not bothering anyone else but they're not actively interfering with anyone else. And just gender neutral bathroom signs goes a pretty long way. Yeah, using the bathroom that doesn't necessarily have the sign on it that is you shouldn't be an issue. I mean, we all know the, the, the cliche, which isn't a cliche because I've experienced it for when you have female male bathrooms when there's a giant line acts out the door of the female bathroom because of just how it works, and none in the mail and I've popped over there and say you know what I can't, I just can't wait. I'm going in there and it, and it's just is what it is. You use what you need to use because it's available. If you're not doing anything illegal or disturbing than everyone's just doing what they do in their bathrooms. All right. Got a couple more questions here but I do want to read this before the person that says they're taken off here. Thanks so much for all the info here with a great workshop and for answering our questions and suggesting wording to use. You can also navigate library life and stay upbeat and encouraged. I mean, it is some serious things but that's good. Yeah, you can do it and make it be a, you know, a good thing in the end. Someone says they will be emailing you with some more questions. And yeah, awesome. All right, so a couple more questions I do want to get asked answered here. Do some well funded groups want to silence the LGBTQ community. Are these groups mainly religious conservatives. You know, see this is where I walk the very thin line between stating an objective fact and saying something too political that could cause trouble with my library board, but the objective answer is yes. That is typically what these groups are or who they are aligned with. A lot of that is not like it's not one particular political candidate or one particular like. Okay, so like we all know the Westboro Baptist church right there's sort of infamous and they thrive on that infamy. But there are other loose organizations but the idea of Christian values and I'm saying that in quotation marks because I don't believe that is actually, you know, that's not something that all people who identify with the Christian faith would necessarily ascribe to their belief system. But that is a term that is used frequently and that is a basis of a lot of these challenges. And if you see these formal challenges, especially when they're brought up in like city council meetings opposed to a official library challenge. The basis used is that they're not these books are going against their personal religious values and therefore should be written on the library. And a lot of the ones to look out for it's like. In Nebraska, there's a group called protect Nebraska children. That was behind a lot, a lot of challenges. And I believe they've changed their name, but that group is still active and still. I know them. Yeah, I don't see those challenges. And it's, it's going to be different depending on where you are, what that group is but there is like a lot of coordination and organization that that goes into those efforts. That is a diplomatic. I think. I guess one more question here. And I just want to actually I just noticed someone on here Vicki you've got your hand raised you want me to unmute you to say something or did you want to. I just, all right, no problem. All right, so a couple questions here, how would you go about introducing LGBT QIA plus books within the school system. I believe they must maybe talking about K 12. Sure. I'm not a school library and so they're very well, maybe certain policies or procedures that you have to follow within your district. And I obviously I don't know what those may be. But I would say genuinely just order them like you would order any other book and a lot of these these books, especially take your 12. And they are coming from major publishers so they're coming from Houston and McMillan. And penguin. So, you can order them along with your regular books I mean like, if you're getting a bunch of picture books about kids from different backgrounds, then I'll do you books would qualify with the rest of those picture books. With like, if for young adults materials and there is. When I get my presentation about the the history of queer literature, the period we're currently in I have it as yes, why a screen because there's just so much why a now, I feel as though there's like 15 new queer white books a week. That's a lot to keep up with. But yeah, but those are I mean it's going to be fantasy and sci fi and slice of life and a book about, you know, a queer middle schooler is not necessarily going to be about exclusively the queer experience, but it's going to be about, you know, having issues with students and clicks and not fitting in and struggling with school like every other middle grade book is going to be so. And so I know I said earlier like specifically excluding materials or not promoting materials, just because their queer is a form of censorship I would say the other side of that would be normalizing it would not be censorship right so by just ordering these books and having them in the collection and presenting them on equal grounds with any other book that you may order. That's a great way to just incorporate it in and people won't necessarily know that it needs to be challenged. Unless they're specifically being told usually by somebody else that this exactly those groups that you're talking about are the ones that yeah make up those lists and whatnot. Um, yeah, so you were talking earlier about the recommending murder mystery mystery to the 65 plus patron that happens to have queer characters in it. It could be it's just a great murder mystery that happens to have these people in it. I mean, the books are even these books that are that have those characters. It's not all about that in these books oftentimes they just you know these people as you said exist in our world. Just like any of any, you know, we have books that have male protagonist female different races. And it's just the story is great and it just happens to be these type of people are in the story. That's not the focus of the whole story. So, and that's great because like you said normalizing. Um, and here's a question but I think it's just a great suggestion and we're going to wrap up with this I think because we're getting almost 1130. Our summer reading program theme this year if you know is about friendship, all together now. And they asked would this be an opportunity to include juvenile literature of a GT QIA with the same theme books relating to the program. Yes. I think that's that's that's perfect yes it's it's about being supportive of everybody and everyone, no matter what they're like, yeah. I know some libraries have struggled with the theme all together and what does that mean. Well, it's about friendship and acceptance and yeah, it's a very big theme. We struggled with it too but the positive is that you can pretty much do whatever you want and then justify it with the theme so. Be nice yeah. All right, I think that's we'll wrap that up for the questions as Lane said please email questions comments anything you want to them. If you want to discuss issues at your library, Lane is happy to do that so we got some thank yous coming in very informative. And I love this one here fantastic keep up the rainbow love. Absolutely. We will. All right, so thank you so much like I said I'm so glad we're able to get you on the show since we had in your earlier but this is great. All right, so thank you everybody for being here today and sticking around with us. Thank you Lane I'm going to pull back presenter control the my screen to wrap up today's show with my usual wrap up here. There we go. There's the event page for today. As I said we are recording the show and it's going to be on our archive page. If you type in and a compass live the title of our show in your search engine of choice is the only thing called that on the internet. Nobody is allowed to use that name. So you can find us and you'll find our upcoming shows here and then at the bottom of the list is the link to our archive and compass live shows today show be at the top of the list here. Like I said earlier by the end of the day tomorrow, go to webinar YouTube have all that process and I'll put it up here. Lane you can send me a link to your slides. And I will add that as well so you'll have a link to the recording into the slides everyone who attended today show and registered today show will get an email from me letting you know when it's available. We do also have a Facebook page that we post to if you are a Facebook user like to use Facebook you can follow us there like us there. Here's a reminder about today's show but a presenter and then where's the last one. There we go. And I post when the recording is available on our page as well. So see that there. We also wish I went on to Twitter and Instagram, where else, where else, using the hashtag and comp live a little abbreviation for our show so you can search for that online as well. While I'm on the archives here I'll show you there is a search feature here so you can look and see if you've done any topics shows about anything else. And you mentioned such as the dragons and I did want to show we had that previous show that I know you were involved with but you did not do this particular ones you weren't available but critical hit tabletop gaming in the library. Lane's colleague Caitlin did this session for us. All those resources about running dnd in your library so this is what you do right as well. Absolutely. And if you again if you ever want to talk about dnd in any capacity email me as well I will always talk about it so. Yeah one of my one of my loves my husband and nine our friends been playing dnd for longer than we can remember so. But you insert here watch any of our recordings do pay attention this is our full show archives I'm not going to scroll all the way to the bottom giant list, but going back to when it goes back to an encompass live first is which was January 2009. So 15 years worth of recordings and they are all here as long as we have a place to host which right now it's all on YouTube. We'll always have our recordings out there for everyone to watch. But do pay attention to the original broadcast states of anything. Some shows will stand the test of time and still be great and useful, but some things will become old outdated resources and services may have changed drastically or might no longer exist anymore. Links might be broken, because things have gone away. People might not work at the same library they did when we first presented, but just be aware of that when you're watching any of the recordings. But this is something the librarians do we keep things for historical purposes, and we will as long as we have a place to host them. All right so that'll wrap it up for today's show. We've got our upcoming shows here for the next few months you can see already filled in and I hope you'll join us next week when we'll have another Nebraska library, Jenny White, the web director in our Skyler, a Nebraska public library talking about how they have been doing some work with building partnerships in different languages and dealing with that. So, please do sign up for next week's show and any other future and compass lives. Thank you everybody. Thank you, Lane. Good to see you. Maybe we'll have you on again for talk about some other things you've been doing in the library. And hopefully we'll see you all on a future episode of Encompass Live. Bye bye.